Sega Saturn

[inner token]

now snac only acts as port 1. It would replace usb1, you may have to have 2 usb controlers connected for usb2 to act as port 2. (in old builds I think I had usb1 act as usb2, and I had a swap option to reverse them.)

I think with gun connected you would press start to advance in menus and trigger would cycle through the options. but I don't think you should really need to calibrate to get something working.

[unique jewel]

I did have it work fine once, but since then I don't know what I've done wrong.
Only the start button reacts now.
last night I managed to register a couple of shots, but I had the gun so high up in the air pointing at a steep angle aiming at the CRT.
I haven't tried the trigger on the menus though.

[inner token]

https://ppcenter.webou.net/pskai/pskai_release_20240114.7z this is a test rom

With a usb controller. use that it has a hidden "smpc pad test". hit a L or R sholder button then press UDLR then z to unlock the "extra stuff" menu, then choose "smpc pad test".

turn snac on and then look at the OREG values shown , when the gun is connected the first byte should be A0

this may help you figure out if you got a connection problem.

[unique jewel]

Wow, thank you, I'll try this and get back to you.
Slight confused ( sorry newbie here) how do I press Z, will it be in a menu or should I be pressing a button on my usb controller (no Z).
Sorry I'm an old man

[untold lintel]

Are you using a SNAX as your SNAC adapter by chance? It is not compatible with the Saturn stunner if so

And if your usb controller doesn’t have Z just map one

[unique jewel]

I'm using a SNAC Adapter for the Saturn, a level shifter then SNAC extension into the SNAC port on the Mister Pi

[untold lintel]

Word, rules that out

[inner token]

maybe you could try brightness if you don't think sensor is working. but I'm still leaning towards connection issue

[unique jewel]

I'm back, just had to sort out dinner, first I'll test smpc pad test.
I do have a USB Controller with a Z, because I have the 8bitdo saturn pad ( forgot about that)

[inner token]

Z can be any button, not the usb button labeled Z. when you define usb buttons it asks for A,B,C,Start,R,X,Y,Z,L

alternatively you can just turn snac on first and use a saturn pad to get into the pad test screen

then unplug that and attach stunner

[unique jewel]

Ok, so I have save data manager.
Under thatExtra Stuff
Then firmware flasher
Then debug information
Then cartridge rom hexview
Then exit
Below this
Is BUP unit results
Then partitions info

Lol Sorry didn't see The other menu

[unique jewel]

@inner token Sorry about the confusion, I found the menu for the SMPC pad test the results as follows:
SNAC off the pad test see the USB pad and recognises all the buttons.
SNAC on the pad test see the OG Saturn pad and recognises all the buttons ( had to switch SNAC on and off a few times before it would recognise it.
SNAC on with the Virtua Gun attached nothing is recognised, not even the start button which works in game.
Going to try bright next, hell even a different CRT

[inner token]

with that test the pad will show button presses the gun won't. but when connected gun will show A0, when nothing connected it will be F0, with a pad connected it will say F102FFFF when nothing is pressed, the FFFF part will change as you hit buttons.

[unique jewel]

Ok, so I'll run again and if is A0 or FO

So it shows A0 connected, I disconnected it ,F0 and reconnected again A0.
I want to cry lol

[inner token]

do you know if it works with real saturn?

there was this guy #1046941029296779344 message

maybe you can scroll up and read about his problem

and check out the reddit page

[muted cradle]

Is Snac really Saturn compatible? I thought just Snax and Snax 64 could do the big ones PSX, N64 and Saturn

[unique jewel]

@inner token I think this could be the problem because when I load up Area51 start but still works, you use the gun movement to scroll up and down the menu and that works!!, but you need to press the trigger to confirm your choice and that doesn't register.
So maybe faulty trigger after all this

[inner token]

yeah snac is fully compatible with saturn, there was a little problem with snax and the gun sensor. old models have a resistor that stopped it from working. Porkchop was going to fix that though. which is why Kajoq asked that question.

[inner token]

sorry you're having trouble, it might still have a connection issue and still show A0 I'm not sure. Seems weird it worked once, maybe you can mess with connection more to see if you can get different behavior. of course it could be the trigger.

or remove level shifter and usb extension and just try the saturn adapter to rule a problem out with those. Hard to say what configuration worked for you last time

[unique jewel]

@inner token Thanks for all your help tonight, I'll the saturn adapter itself, off to bed now 🥱

[paper tiger]

i was surprised at Microcenter the other day that they were still selling Saturn pads

the retro-bit ones, but still

[pastel basalt]

Microcenter rules

[ivory kindle]

i should go to microcenter

[celest lake]

dangerous place

v dangerous

[frank crater]

Heaven on Earth

[next bronze]

He fixed it. According to misteraddons, units shipped after October 6th, 2024 were fixed. I ordered SNAX 64 when the fix was announced and it works with the Saturn light gun.

[inner token]

cool thanks for confirming, I knew he said he was going to and he put out a message on his site I think.

[thorn pagoda]

he put up a guide for fixing the issue on the older ones too if you can solder smd

you just need to swap two resistors

[burnt matrix]

Oh damn mine is the launch SNAX64

But I don’t think I’ll ever use the light gun on a CRT so maybe I’m good

[visual grove]

I have the microscopic resistors needed for SNAX fix, just haven’t done it yet. I hate that tiny smd shit

[thorn pagoda]

same lol

[visual grove]

Tough to get motivated since my Saturn is hooked up in my setup so if I want to use a gun I could either do smd soldering or just plug one in

[burnt matrix]

look at this humble brag over here

“Tough to perform this complex skilled process, that I can do and you can’t, because I’m swimming in retro gaming riches”

Thanks for reminding me I’m not as cool as you are!!!

@visual grove I’m just joking, don’t h8 me lol

[visual grove]

Oh no my Saturn privilege was showing

The hardest part is choosing which PVM to shoot at. Right guys?

[green swift]

Pork was cool and sent me some resistors with my last order. I can do many types of SMD work, but I haven’t worked with resistors this small yet. They look like flecks of pepper. 😅

[visual grove]

I did the MS8 mod for V2 mistercade. I straight up lost almost half of what I ordered pinging them off tweezers / dropping etc. Not my forte

[thorn pagoda]

jesus lol

[fallow oracle]

oh i love tiny resistors

[burnt matrix]

how does it taste on lasagna

[inner token]

yeah they suck. you could cut traces and solder a bigger through hole part on but that's not as neat. or 1337

[visual grove]

I was going to cheat and just piggyback onto the zero Ohm ones already on the board but decided it wouldn’t actually help that much

[thorn pagoda]

i might just send mine off to someone i know whose way better at soldering than me lol

[inner token]

no piggybacking it won't help, have to remove the old ones or cut traces.

[visual grove]

Can’t wait to do SNAX. I’ll get drunk and film it, should win the internet

[thorn pagoda]

technically since its saturn and it'll never support 2p could you only do 1 resistor?

[inner token]

there's 2 resistors used on each signal, thatone is used for sensor

[thorn pagoda]

oh

[untold lintel]

You’re screwing up

[burnt matrix]

I am lazy!

[drowsy hull]

Never

[alpine pagoda]

lol, I don’t think I’d be able to see those resistors, let alone solder them to my snax. I think I’ll just have to live with it and rely on usb lightguns

[visual grove]

They vanish if you drop one even onto the bench. Must be a pocket dimension

A smart person might put a sheet of white paper down or something

I am not that person

[green swift]

I think when I attempt it I’ll tape of the work area with capton and use hot air with a low flow. Never attempted before but it seems like the best method for ol’ coffee hands here.

[trim nimbus]

you still have to get the spec of dust on the board 😉

without a stencil, gonna be hard to get the solder paste set too I would image

[green swift]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-gif-9229124653749492126

[cunning citrus]

Inside the debug menu, all entries says VDP2, didn't some of them had to be VDP1?

[vocal oar]

you're basically soldering particles of dust to the board at this point

[sharp dove]

I heard there's a boost mode in this core?

[burnt matrix]

Yes, only for the single ram core and it only helps with three fighting games (vf2, doa, fighters Megamix) so their framerate mostly runs at normal speed.

[sharp dove]

I might wanna test it with Pandemonium/Magical Hoppers

Since that has hardware-native slowdown too

Unless like that'd be gone on Dual RAM

[burnt matrix]

The fix is specifically for those games but give it a shot. It may cause issues or it may not do anything.

[sharp dove]

Hmm

[burnt matrix]

No, the intent is for that game run normally on either single ram or dual ram cores.

So if it has slowdown on the original Saturn it should have slowdown on either core.

[sharp dove]

Link where, if I can ask?

[burnt matrix]

It’s in the pins - #unstable-nightlies message

[burnt matrix]

Did you know an anagram of Sega Saturn is anus grates?

[kind bough]

ow

[visual grove]

Why grates when it could be greats

[burnt matrix]

Sorry, I just wanted to spice up the conversation. It was that or talk about how amazing Sega Rally is.

[high bramble]

So... you chose to go with spicy anus?

[kind bough]

i guess it does come after saturn

[pearl harbor]

Isn't that just Hershey squirts?

[serene thunder]

Let's keep flaming anus comments in the spicy-off-topic

[high bramble]

The mod started it!

[serene thunder]

Look, I know it's fun to discuss scorched balloon knots
Butt let's have some decorum

[twin canyon]

did you know microcenter is also known as MY PANTS?

[burnt matrix]

Sorry sorry

This is a cool puzzle game if you haven’t seen it before - https://segaxtreme.net/resources/logic-puzzle-rainbow-town.362/

[twin canyon]

but did you get my joke? because what's in my pants is micro? hello?

that puzzle game looks like something you need a ten year education to play

like a university degree

[muted cradle]

Some Picross from before Picross

[unique jewel]

@inner token Thanks, for all your help the other day with the Virtua GU=un.
In the end I ordered one of ebay, it arrive today and works fine yay!!
Also the snac adapter is a bit loose, which I already knew, So I have to hold the plug from the gun into the adapter.
Hopefully my new snac adapter will arrive soon.

[inner token]

so you got another VG and it worked?

[unique jewel]

yep, just that lol

[serene thunder]

I saw Bill Gates once and yelled "Microshaft!" at him

[twin canyon]

he and his family landed their helicopter a couple of kilometers away from me a few years back. i remember hearing the chopper that day but the next day it was in the papers that he'd visited a local fun park

[green basalt]

I met Steve ballmer once

Yes he was sweaty

It was here in the UK, I don't even understand how

But he was nice enough

I even got to insult vista and he laughed

[river wing]

Happy Saturnday, guys and gals! 😄

[green swift]

At what point would a stable release happen to replace the one from months ago that gives the core a bad impression to those not in the know?

[pearl harbor]

It's all up to srg320.

He's the man with the plan!

Also, happy Saturnday to all who celebrate!

And if you don't celebrate...

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-reggie-nintendo-of-america-confused-whats-wrong-with-you-gif-5400719

[green swift]

Good ol Reggie. Livin’ The good life now.

[wise brook]

if full time ‘tubers like MVG can talk nonsense about the n64 core not running stuff that’s been supported for a year…
i don’t think it matters

“mister oh yeah i head that can only run 16 bit consoles and everything else is just emulated”

actual words i heard in 2024

[ripe valley]

We all believe in Segata Sanshiro here.

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[wise brook]

Segata fearing sega fans

[green swift]

Yeah, it’s some of the ‘tubers that broadcast misinformation. Also, some people on Reddit and Facebook. It irks me because these current unstable builds are as good as real hardware for the games I play.

[wise brook]

real

i’m tempted to comment their videos with “your latency sucks”

[ancient surge]

No idea why srg320 has not released a new stable build. Maybe he's being fussy about making sure the bugs are fixed.

[ripe valley]

Maybe wanting to fix the TR/VF2 issues without breaking Garegga.

[ancient surge]

To me that sounds like an obscure edge case that hasn't been implemented yet, but I'm not sure why Battle Garegga is so wonky.

Is there maybe Mednafan (or another emulator) development logs that might point to a clue?

[frail token]

I don't think what he said was untrue?

[ripe valley]

I've closed some issues.

[ripe valley]

@tawny compass Could you please recheck on your side for Golden Axe & Virtual On - Netlink Edition, and close the issue ticket for Goiken Muyou: Anarchy in the Nippon as it is a bug inside the game.
Thanks.

[frail token]

Ohh nice! Haha

[tawny compass]

Done, closed Goiken Muyo and checked on both Virtual On and Golden Axe and they are doing fine with the latest unstable, so I'm closing those too.

[ripe valley]

Thank you!

I'm off for today.

[burnt matrix]

Y’all are awesome.

One day I’ll get to close my Lightgun feature request.

[naive whale]

If you say MiSTer is as good as X you are just gonna catch shit

I did it over the holiday with Saturn. It gets the weirdos blood boiling

Not my fault MiSTer is GOAT

🤷🏻‍♂️

[lofty spire]

i'm glad i don't have to mod my Saturn to output to HDMI, mister just does it 🙂

[naive whale]

(But all jokes aside it’s impossible to fight the current of “MiSTer is a ripoff” or “it’s just emulation” or “you are lying”)

[naive whale]

Posted a vid on #share-media for SaturnDay

[stone sky]

From what I read a while ago, it is not possible due to the way it works to have an HDMI mod on the Saturn, I think it was spoke by ps1digital creator If I'm not mistaken

Something to do with how Saturn generates the image

[burnt matrix]

What did you say it was better than? Software emulators?

[naive whale]

I said the core has basically risen to the level of a replacement for real hardware in 99% of instances

[burnt matrix]

I wonder if it’s real hardware dudes feeling threatened? Like they invested all this time and money and now someone else can spend 1/100th of what they spend and get the same gameplay experience.

[wise brook]

the original hardware is only needed now for the hardcore who want to take part in the Shiro! online tournaments, referencing for bug reports etc

if the next major fpga platform can pull off out-of-the-box modem/ethernet for the sega platforms and PSP (PS2 seems to be beyond even the wildest dreams of those in the know) then i’ll finally take mine out the hifi setup

[frail token]

PSP seems like one that, while it would take a shit ton of work, might actually be a good candidate, because apparently PPSSPP suffers from horrible input lag?

[olive fern]

PPSSPP also isnt accurate

[dense sundial]

It is and also some effects like flashlight in SH Origins not properly emulated

[olive fern]

It's the one platform I work on and can tell you that while PPSSPP is good it's anything but accurate lol

[dense sundial]

I wouldn't mind FPGA PSP core but also I got a hacked PSTV and it's pretty convenient as a PSP machine

[olive fern]

I'd love a PSTV but I need PSPLink for debugging reasons

[frail token]

True I have one but I'm bad and never use it 😭

[wise brook]

PSP really was like the last machine that Sony had fun with. After the early misfire with the PS3, it was all business, all the time.

[high bramble]

And PS1. It's actually fantastic for that, especially with the Sharpscale plug-in.

[olive fern]

Vita is a crying shame because Sony was banking on PSPs success to be the sole driver of vita sales

And it backfired

Hard

[high bramble]

PSTVs were in the bargain bins for a while. Picked up a couple for about $25 each.
...then the Vita was finally blown wide open, and the price of PSTVs skyrocketed.

[olive fern]

And you knew vita was basically dead when they decided to classify it as a PS3 companion device

[olive fern]

I wish I would have nabbed one

The price they are now I can't justify

At all

I'm also glad I was able to skip buying a PSPGo when I ran into a very obscure firmware bug...

Considering PSPGo prices these days

[burnt matrix]

I think people owning original Saturn hardware is pretty cool.

[inner kayak]

how goes testing on the core released today? the last one seemed to be a non-starter with the regressions, but is this one a solid step forward from the N-2 core before the holiday?

[high bramble]

I was lucky to have grabbed a Daxter Silver PSP back then which was discovered to have a hardware vulnerability that Sony couldn't patch, making it permanently vulnerable to CFW.

[burnt matrix]

Look at all the badass dudes here testing and making sure the core matches original Saturn hardware.

[olive fern]

Yea I still have the daxter one I bought when it came out.... Though the issue I found ended up being firmware related and I had to get at least a 3K to debug it :V

And luckily I found someone who could setup debugging and check on a Go for me lol

[dense sundial]

My poor Daxter PSP-2000 is getting it's screen rotted out and cracked

[olive fern]

FML on real hardware testing

[high bramble]

I need to fire mine up and check. The battery has long since gone tits-up, so it needs the power adapter. Honestly though, it never bothered me too much, because the Vita is the perfect PSP.

Perfect 2x scale on the display.

I know this is off-topic. I'll stop. 🙂

[olive fern]

Yea my bad too... I become a chatter box when it gets to PSP lol

[high bramble]

It certainly was fantastic.

Holy shit... I'm glad I decided to check it!
The battery was bulging so much, it popped the cover off like it was spring-loaded. 👀

[dense sundial]

Yeah, they are becoming time bombs

[pearl harbor]

I actually just bought a new battery for my old PSP a couple days ago. Hasn't arrive yet though.

[hearty marten]

Spicy pillows!

[pearl harbor]

And yeah, the old battery was bulging when I got rid of it like a year ago.

[high bramble]

Damn...

Glad we were talking about this now! 😄

[pearl harbor]

And yet the batteries in my old GBA SPs, DSs, and 3DSs are all fine still.

[ripe valley]

I need to verify my PSP systems regularly, at least once a month.

[dense sundial]

Man, I really, REALLY want to play Devil Summoner 1

That game looks so cool and the only translation job which is coming very slowly is not for the Saturn game but for PSP rerelease

[ripe valley]

Don't laugh, I really heard that on some 'preservation' and 'collectors circles' during meet-ups.

[dense sundial]

Emulation is preservation

[ripe valley]

The same people saying 4-5 years ago and bragging they had a MiSTer system, "it's so cool, it's not emulation, it's 1/1 reproduction of the chips."

Now, it's just for "common people", it's just emulation.

[naive whale]

Who knows. It’s the internet. People love to be contrary and shit on others successes

Every time I find and release another rare undumped arcade game a certain subset gets angry. Like sharing is giving away the keys to the kingdom. A lot of people out there don’t think EVERYONE deserves what they have. So MiSTer threatens that

Vs my opinion which is “fun for all. No barriers. Play games. Be happy”

[dense sundial]

How dare you

[ripe valley]

I've seen that when I shared some prototypes that I've dumped and/or helped to obtain.

People are being furious as it will let others see and play their "treasures".

[hearty carbon]

First of all, how dare you. Secondly, you exposing my rare undumped arcade board is why I'm out on the streets right now. My entire kids college fund and retirement was tied up into that copy of Hentai Puzzle Guesser '86.

You've done me a great personal attack and I'll never forgive you for it.

[ripe valley]

Exactly.

[hearty carbon]

I'm of the 'it belongs in a museum' mindset, aka, hoarding shit is for dragons

Sharing is cool. They taught us that in kindergarten

[ripe valley]

Or in All Dogs Go to Heaven (Don Bluth)

What's Mine Is Yours.

[naive whale]

Everyone Knows Hentai Puzzle Guzzler 97 is the real valuable game

Noob

[hearty carbon]

Again!

He can't keep getting away with this!

[olive fern]

Just as a heads up

[naive whale]

Edited for realizing what I’d actually written 🤣

[olive fern]

Save the BMS in that battery

Chuck the spicy pillow tho

[hearty carbon]

I keep forgetting people mean 'swollen batteries' and think someone's talking about 'anime waifu pillow' when they say that.

[olive fern]

Ah yes the innocent dakimakura

[dense sundial]

Dumb question - the core supports this?

iirc certain games got better FMVs but not sure

[ripe valley]

Nope.

[naive whale]

Not as of yet

[ripe valley]

It will be complex to add, as the core is already filling almost the whole FPGA chip and adding a MDEC decoder on top of it could be tricky.

[high bramble]

Already chucked it. Not digging it back out.

[ripe valley]

I've checked on some other emus, on how devs have added the card these last years, not a simple task and they almost all relied on external libraries for that operation.

[hearty carbon]

silly question, did anyone else have a netlink for the Saturn?

[tawny forge]

Is the core perfect now with latest changes?

[high bramble]

No core will ever be perfect.
Good enough though... that's good enough for me.

[burnt matrix]

I don’t agree but I can understand it. I’m the opposite, I just want to play the games. MiSTer doesn’t devalue my physical collection at all, rather it replaced it. 😂

Thousands of games on a shelf and I’m like, yeaaaaaaah. It’s MiSTer time.

[naive whale]

We’re ruining their investment!

(He says as he will be in Retro Games soon for a collectors spotlight 🤣)

[burnt matrix]

Ohh nice!

[serene thunder]

Yeah the games only benefit by having better-quality FMV

Lunar, Gungriffon etc

I own several video cards for Saturn

[naive whale]

Yeah I did the interview just before Xmas

I regret some things I said 🤣

[burnt matrix]

Knowing you, that’s highly unlikely. 😂

[pearl harbor]

You shouldn't have bad mouthed the 3DO M2!

Of course you'd regret it!

[naive whale]

Haha I was asked the value of my collection. I answered. A few weeks later I thought “well that was fucking stupid”

[pearl harbor]

And while living in Chicago!

[warped saddle]

MOUNT UP

[burnt matrix]

LOL I’m the same way. I don’t post pictures of my collection online and I’ve never told anyone the value of it.

Well I’ve posted it here but not on social media.

[naive whale]

Well people will know now

It’s about 500K 🤣 but I paid nothing basically. Just played the long game

[naive whale]

I should have said @burnt matrix is a fat baby. Missed my shot

[burnt matrix]

Hey look, I’m playing a Saturn RPG, wheeee

🗡️

[wise brook]

ugh so close but then the crash happened

i was going thru the only valid issues still flagged on the github and this one struck

fucking dollar store Heihachi

[dense sundial]

I don't remember this Kuzunoha

[wise brook]

the fmv bug on Romance of the 3 kingdoms seems to be a thing of the past

testing the DS5 trackpad-as-mouse input functionality

pretty convenient

[ripe valley]

Surely a SH7604 DMAC issue solved.

No changes on Time Gal & Ninja Hayate.

[wise brook]

enjoying some peak

[dense sundial]

I really need to get into Panzer Dragoons

[sudden tusk]

Beat it like two builds ago!

Way better than any final fantasy

[burnt matrix]

… for me to poop on

I’m kidding, Panzer Dragoon is an awesome series. I got into it with Orta.

[lofty spire]

why i orta

[pearl harbor]

You Orta play all the games in the series.

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-king-crown-gif-11621808

Why Disaster Millenial gotta beat me to the joke!?

Still no slowpoke emoji!

[burnt matrix]

that’s because I am a snorlax

[pearl harbor]

A tale of two Robbys. In fpga-platforms: Super helpful and wholesome conversation about the GB core on Chromatic! In Sega Saturn: Imma poop on Panzer Dragoon!

[burnt matrix]

I only poop on stuff I love

[high bramble]

That's what VGE said to your...
...never mind. 😊

[frail token]

Can we get a bot that looks for random times to say this

[pallid pier]

Were there any regressions in the latest build?

[ivory kindle]

Your poor wife

[pearl harbor]

The one time when it's appropriate to say that we hope he doesn't love his kids!

[ivory kindle]

[glad grove]

Kids nowadays tsk tsk

[river wing]

The PPSSPP libretro core doesn't have any input lag if you use AdaptiveSync or VSYNC+120Hz.
So it's not the core or emulator what's to blame for the lag, but VSYNC on 60Hz. That's the case with every emulator on earth.
The thing with Libretro/Retroarch is that it allows AdaptiveSync (VRR) or if your hardware isn't capable of that it allows for an vsync swap period of 2, which combined with 120Hz video modes eliminates vsync-induced input lag.

[floral saddle]

Be sure to use d3d11 with ppsspp standalone, the input latency is far better than the other backends.

[river wing]

That would mean using that huge piece of steaming poo that's called Windows.
You're better served using Vulkan on a decent OS like GNU/Linux.

[ripe valley]

kuba found some regression on Black Dawn, surely one of the recent DMAC section on the SH7604 chip is in fault.

We will investigate later.

Gotta go for the moment.

[thorn pagoda]

i should recheck resident evil is completable, there's been a lot of changes

[ripe valley]

Go on.

All help is appreciated.

[mortal mist]

another speedrun ? 😄

[thorn pagoda]

i'm not really that fast at RE1 tbh

especially not the saturn one it's wicked hard, way less bullets around

[mortal mist]

Me too , I just enjoy playing RE1 , I know it by heart , but it can still entertain

[thorn pagoda]

yeah its like comfort food heh

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/balhae-gif-21817368

good cooperation , https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/231

[mortal mist]

I tried to reproduce this error, but I completed the game 10 times without problems. Interesting case

[mortal mist]

Looking overall, the core is in super condition. The few bugs that remain are a drop in the ocean. A few years ago the saturn core was just a dream for me 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Super Sega condition?

[stiff patrol]

I had it 5 years ago. You need to join the secret tiers of patreon

anyone want the Dreamcast core ?

[mortal mist]

i'm not worthy 😛

[stiff patrol]

well there is that ....

10 grand a month is probably beyond most people. For me it just meant the Butler got a pay cut

[mortal mist]

you mean SuperSPGA ? 😛

[burnt matrix]

lol I forgot

You made a great point though

[stiff patrol]

Age will do that to you

[burnt matrix]

A couple of years ago this core was a dream

But smart people and an amazing community made it happen 🍻

[stiff patrol]

When you get older every day the core will be a dream

[frail token]

Ah, my TV doesn't support those. I just know everybody says that emulator specifically is laggy

[burnt matrix]

Hey genuine question here but I thought working through a software layer and an operating system would add unavoidable lag. Me am emu baby, me no kno.

[frail token]

Devs here said that was true

[elfin apex]

My (secondhand) understanding is that lag is avoidable in software emulation, but avoiding it is tricky, and the techniques that actually work change over time with the various generations of OS/graphics API/GPU/monitor.

[burnt matrix]

Ah wow!

[inner kayak]

well, depending on the CPU and power profile, you can do run-ahead that executed multiple emulation states ahead based on potential controller inputs. for on/off button controls, this is well understood and has been implemented a few times across emulators.

frame pacing, native cross-frame input rejection, and some other details are necessary to observe to make sure you aren't trading one kind of inaccuracy for another

[restive veldt]

Hi all. I recently got one of the mister pi devices and been having a blast with it and even got a snac adapter for my sega saturn controllers (twin stick Virtual On is still wonderful!) but I noticed a few oddities when using my 3D controller and some friends suggested putting it up on this discord to see if others have had the issue or if it has been reported.

Basically, the 3D controller will only be recognised as a 3D controller, not digital, even when the switch at the bottom has been toggled

Furthermore, only 3D controller supported games will work with it, so the the game only recognises digital controller inputs, my 3D controller won't work at all. I've also noticed that some games also disable the dpad when the 3D analogue... stick? thumb... thingy? is active.

[river wing]

If your TV doesn't support AdaptiveSync or at least 120Hz, then yes, lag it will be. But monitors have been supporting 120Hz for almost a decade now... And have better image quality and less display-side lag than TVs

[frail token]

Can I get a 65" monitor?

[celest lake]

anything can be a monitor if you're strong enough

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/192

[river wing]

No, that's not true at all. First hand information here as I worked on the lowest level API SDL2 offers, called KMS/DRM.
If you can have the emulators running on a 120Hz video mode (you need to pair that with an vsync swap period of 2), you won't be waiting for vsync even if it's enabled and you won't have typical vsync-induced lag.
Same goes for using VRR/Freesync/AdaptiveSync.
RetroArch (the Libretro frontent) can do all that for you if your hardware is capable of it.

Having to go thru several software layers can affect performance, of course, but not lag.
People often mix performance problems with lag, but they are totally different things.

[burnt matrix]

Appreciate you answering, amigo!

Also I don’t understand what you worked on but I think it’s cool regardless!

I can’t wait until 120hz displays are standard.

[river wing]

It's the graphics backend that allows SDL2 to run without a desktop system on GNU/Linux, by directly accessing the modern kernel framebuffer infraestructure (used to be FBDEV on the old days, now it's KMS for Kernel Mode Setting and DRM for framebuffer management libs).

[river wing]

On monitors it's already a common thing, and has been for many years.
I avoid TVs, so I don't know what's the situation there... TVs are very sinister tech for me: Android, stupid post-processing adding a ton of lag, internet connection.. Can't stand all that shit

[burnt matrix]

You’re right, I meant HDTVs

Also yeah I have the garbage OSs too lol

I would actually consider a lack of operating system on a TV as a selling point

You know, outside the standard settings menu stuff

[dense sundial]

I really wish we could have had dumb TVs that had nothing but monitor output on them

Actually might as well just buy giant monitors

[river wing]

Well, that's a monitor 😄

[dense sundial]

The Dell 16:10 monitor I have is fantastic with proper pixel scaling all the time and I wish it was bigger

[river wing]

I use a Viewsonic 16:10 monitor too and it's fantastic

[restive veldt]

Thank you for the link. Glad to see that it's at least known. Hoping to see full compatibility with the 3D controller at some point cos it's genuinely one of my favourite controllers of all time

[inner token]

#1046941029296779344 message

it might work on this really old build.

[restive veldt]

will give it a shot. Thanks

[dusty shale]

My distaste for 'smart TVs' cannot be overstated.

There's nothing smart about them.

[dense sundial]

That Samsung 4k tv always tries to identify a device as if it's a law and I hate it

It does nothing but waste time

I can't even immediately tell it's a "PC"

It HAS to label something as Apple or Roku

[ancient surge]

Anything with "smart" is a red flag.

[solar crag]

A.K.A. Please just take my information and send it off for analysis, then slap adverts at me.

[celest hearth]

Curious to know, has there been any discussion regarding the Geekyfab 3D pad adapter? I managed to get one, but it doesn't play nicely with the core. IIRC, it is an open design, so it would be nice to see it get support 9although to my knowledge the SNAC adapter has full support for the analog stick and triggers, so shrug)

[untold flame]

the analog triggers not working on the core is a general limitation of the MiSTer framework itself iirc sadly

even if you were to use something like a dualshock 4 or xbox controller, their triggers will still do nothing on the Saturn core

so for 3D pad its best to use SNAC for the time being

[proper prism]

I used to be one of the "MiSTer is a ripoff" people, until I bought my first MiSTer a few months ago. Now I'm a "MiSTer is amazing" kind of person.

[celest hearth]

I've never been an early adopter for tech, so I didn't get mine until last spring. Glad I finally got in, but also glad I'd held out (apart from the price hikes.) Took a while to see the kinds of things folks got running to really convince me. Even for what it cost, I'd say it's worth every penny. Users getting in on Taki and QM boards are definitely getting a deal.

[celest hearth]

I'll need to dig out the original cord. I think I know what box it is in...

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s the biggest challenge for the MiSTer. Until you feel it, you don’t understand the level of accuracy it provides. You can watch videos all day of a bearded millennial telling you how accurate it is, it’s a different experience using a MiSTer and seeing just how effortless and on-point everything is.

Also it’s become my magic emulation box where I exclusively play retro games on.

[proper prism]

It was the Saturn core that finally sold me on the MiSTer.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, and PS1 for me! Although if I hadn’t bought one the Saturn core would’ve been a no brainer.

[dense sundial]

I was one of those people too

[celest hearth]

LOL at "bearded millenial". I think for me it was both PS1 and 32x.

[high bramble]

I told the Bearded Millennial that I follow what you said Robby, and he got triggered.

[dense sundial]

I don't know what exactly changed, I just got fascinated with hardware emulation all of a sudden

Maybe seeing N64 and Saturn cores in action moved me

[celest hearth]

I'm working on a fresh install to clean up some of my settings and libraries, but my brother got me a 4p N^$ SNAC adapter for Christmas, and I'm super excited for it. was getting some unpleasant side effects using the Raphnet USB adapters (bad keybinds).

[pearl harbor]

There were two primary things that pushed me to the MiSTer when I got mine. Nintendo's horrible handling of their classic games on NSO, and SquareEnix's horrendous remake of Actraiser. I just wanted to play the SNES version again, but didn't want to deal with hooking up my old SNES to my modern TV.

[dense sundial]

.. there's an ActRaiser remake?

[celest hearth]

Software emulation has always been less than satisfying for me. Between sync issues, hitching and stuttering video/audio, and trying to get a comfortable output to a TV, I just have had enough.

[pearl harbor]

Unfortunately, yea.

[high bramble]

The SNES and Genesis/CD cores were what made me extremely grateful I decided to go with MiSTer years ago... especially since I was considering pulling the trigger on a Super Nt and Mega Sg back then.

Finding out about Neo Geo and the upcoming CPS-2 was sweet icing on an already delicious cake.

[dense sundial]

Although I guess despite thinking it was a ripoff for weird hardware setup I was not dumb enough to call it a scaler like that one Canadian guy

[high bramble]

I was thrilled to see how good the C64 core was as well.

I had found my happy place. 🙂

Then GBA and PlayStation...
"Whoa! Can this project get any better?!"
...then N64 and Saturn...

[burnt matrix]

lol I only say bearded millennial because I’m a bearded millennial.

[celest hearth]

I currently am as well. Beard stays until Spring or until i'm under 200lb. Self imposed rule. 218 currently.

[high bramble]

I never intentionally grow beards. I just go on shaving strikes.
You have increased your skill in laziness (99)

[burnt matrix]

That’s awesome dude, you’ll get under 200lbs in no time! Keep us posted I’m rooting for ya brother. 💪

[celest hearth]

Gotta earn a non-itchy neck!

[celest hearth]

Same, but once I hit about 3 weeks, it looks intentional enough to not get the stink-eye from my management.

Anyone have a preference on the Saturn SNAC adapters? Overall build quality, pricing, etc.?

[burnt matrix]

Misteraddons but I am biased!

Very biased!

[hearty carbon]

get yourself a religious exemption

[green jacinth]

in pork we trust

[naive whale]

I’d judge but because your username is a rawdogging reference I’ll allow an exemption lol

[mortal mist]

new release 🙂

[sudden tusk]

Ahhh snap!

[frail token]

About time

[naive whale]

update_all?

[frail token]

It's been a whole day

[naive whale]

just saw the notification come through from patreon which usually means update all

[frail token]

I don't have an email from Patreon 🤔

[naive whale]

me either but I got a notification on my phone from the app

[ancient surge]

Oh shit a new stable release?

[mortal mist]

Yes

[naive whale]

the patreon notes are cumulative from the last handful of releases so seems like its going to update all?

[frail token]

Lmao

Guess I do got one

[visual grove]

Yeah the release updates are comically huge

[naive whale]

haha its like every core updates since like the last update all update

which is why I assumed its gone to main. Once confirmed ill spin up a vid

[celest lake]

6 months between official releases. not bad :p

[burnt matrix]

is it really not bad?

[analog totem]

since it’s hard to search in here on mobile, I’ll ask if anyone’s familiar….

Played a bit of the Linkle Liver Story translation yesterday on stream and I noticed a garbage line of pixels in the bottom right…anyone else notice this?

not sure if maybe it’s just a bug with the translation itself?

[naive whale]

ok so we are confirmed its in update all? doing VO in the background and peeking in here between takes

[burnt matrix]

I’ll check

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it’s in update all

[naive whale]

perfection. Now I know what vid is being made next

Gonna be a lot of stoked people. 99% of my commenters do NOT install test cores

[short shore]

If you already own a mister, is it really that much more work to install a test core?

[celest lake]

depending on your level of familiarity, yes

[short shore]

Id say most of the cores i use are test cores 😅

I mean, its just kind of drag and drop onto the microSD

[burnt matrix]

I’m not seeing that issue here. But I did just download the latest stable core.

[naive whale]

its not HARD but think of it this way

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, basically. But it’s a little involved because you need a Discord account for getting the latest test cores and know where to look.

[naive whale]

people get nervous about "fucking it up"

and they love and play MiSTer so much they dont want to start mucking about and potentially ruining their fun

[ripe valley]

Happy Saturnday, once more.

[naive whale]

I get nervous powering up and playing the rarest of my arcade boards and I own them, repair them, reverse engineer them and build custom harnesses and conversions for them...but every time I take them out its "careful time"

people feel that way about their MiSTer

[burnt matrix]

The more accessible MiSTer becomes the more less technically savvy people get involved which is awesome but there’s a lot of hesitation on their part for the exact reasons @naive whale said.

[burnt matrix]

[frail token]

Dual SDRAM isn't in update all is it

[naive whale]

Exactly. Having been a coach / college professor I can tell you one thing...never assume people's comfort level or experience level is equal to yours. Always find out their level then work with and talk to them in a manner they understand...not YOU understand

some of the smartest people I know would be SHIT at teaching others as they cannot articulate that knowledge. They can just possess it

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it’s single sdram.

[frail token]

So for dual hit up the Github?

[ancient surge]

None of the dual RAM builds are. They don't like the analog people being left out.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah

[celest lake]

Is there a stable dual?

[burnt matrix]

Yup!

[celest lake]

oooo

[naive whale]

good to know so I can notate it in the vid

[analog totem]

thanks for checking! I’ll grab latest stable later and re-test. I’m running CHD…are you?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah CHD too. Not sure if it matters but I loaded a save from months ago and I used MGL to directly load into the game.

The latest stable is single sdram

[celest lake]

HoW hArD woULD it JUsT aDd DUaL RAm tO UpDAte aLL?!

[burnt matrix]

Not happening. I have stocks invested into analog IO boards and I will speak to the chancellor of retro gaming to argue against it.

[celest lake]

So this is how democracy dies?!

[sudden tusk]

Yeah! I am also anti dual ram!

You dualis get nufffin!

[naive whale]

I love update all vids; instant excitement from people and its the easiest edit lol

[burnt matrix]

I am a hypocrite. I would love for everything to work perfect with single sdram but I rock dual ram lol

[sudden tusk]

Just got the latest build off of update_all

[analog totem]

Ah ok. I was also using dual ram so maybe I’ll try latest single ram stable

[burnt matrix]

Can you please mention how perfect the core is in the video a few times. Maybe even say it’s better than original hardware. I want to see how mad people get lol.

[celest lake]

in 40 years when all the CRTs are dead, we will finally be able to accept dual ram into our hearts

[naive whale]

lol I can just say "software emulation sucks" and really rile them up

[celest lake]

make sure you emphasize how FPGA is NOT emulation

and anyone who thinks that is short sighted and doesn’t understand what is actually happening

it’s my favorite argument

[burnt matrix]

Let me know if there’s anything else I can test for you.

[high bramble]

"...and 99.9% of the plebs who comprise my audience people wouldn't know this wasn't running on real hardware."

[celest lake]

Anyone have a link for the dual ram release?

[burnt matrix]

Of stable?

I don’t know if there is one

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-shia-la-beouf-flame-gif-4445204

[burnt matrix]

#unstable-nightlies message

@celest lake ^

Also we have a lot of names with Jesus in it lol

[sudden tusk]

What’s gonna happen after Saturn if finished ?

Pc fx ?

[pastel basalt]

I also see the garbage pixels (dual ram latest unstable, bin/cue translation patched)

lmk if the single ram fixes it

[tawny forge]

Core is now perfect! Close thread plx

[hearty carbon]

That's when we play video games.

[burnt matrix]

you mean run update_all again?

[ancient surge]

Heresy

[hearty carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-luther-1953-1954-lutheran-luther-movie-reformation-day-gif-2151644060334246611

[visual grove]

At least 60, there are still NOS being dug up! I have a couple that will outlive me 😦

[analog totem]

Thanks for confirming, that was the exact build I used yesterday. According to Robby, the line isn’t there with the latest stable single ram build. I’m going to try it later today. Hopefully we get a new dual ram build soon too

oh wait, it’s there now

[frail token]

On github?

[burnt matrix]

I pinned it but it’s available here - #unstable-nightlies message

[sudden tusk]

Way ahead of ya brah! Been testing the latest X68000 unstable and bruddah! It’s running great!

[celest lake]

Did you grab zet’s build? Has some sound fixed

[burnt matrix]

Having fun playing Doki Doki Mystique Parcheesi Gambler V?

[pastel basalt]

Like the popping in chorensha?

That would be awesome

[celest lake]

Pinged you both in the computer cores channel with a link to the build

[ripe valley]

No changes on Chou Ren Sha

Popping is there on all my MiSTer systems.

[pastel basalt]

Still very playable at least

[ripe valley]

But some games have better sound, like on Final Fight if you have a MT32Pi.

[celest lake]

(Which all x68k enjoyers should have)

[ripe valley]

Even more with the 1.10 version.

A friend have shown me the beta Windows version of the game last week.

[sudden tusk]

Acckkkkthhhually I’m playing akumajou Dracula .. amazing tittle .. highly recommend! I assumed a retro weeenie such as yourself has never beaten the game ?

[serene thunder]

Problem with X68K port of FF is the mobs do not max out at the same level of intensity

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-laugh-evil-gif-23248842

[serene thunder]

Our CPS1 core is the best

mit turbo

[pastel basalt]

I’m seeing the pixels in the single ram build also

[sudden tusk]

Nah just grabbed what was in the unstables channel

[pastel basalt]

Maybe it’s just in the starting area?

[sudden tusk]

You got a link for the build you mentioned ?

[balmy crag]

So, we have an unstable and stable build on the same day? Is this just a formality or are there actually additional experimental fixes on the unstable?

[ripe valley]

No changes, just a new compilation.

[wise brook]

Black Dawn crashes fix not a new thing?

[ripe valley]

It's in the stable release first.

I was talking if there is a difference on the last unstable and stable releases of today, during the last hour.

[wise brook]

i get ya

[analog totem]

oh really? Today’s single ram build?

[burnt matrix]

Aw that sucks, maybe me loading a save file wasn’t a good test

[analog totem]

yeah maybe it needs to be tested from the beginning of the game

[pastel basalt]

yeah

[pastel basalt]

it's definitely an interesting data point though

testing the clean jp version now

[analog totem]

nice I was just gonna mention that I should try that too

[ripe valley]

Always test the original game first.

[pastel basalt]

it's there in the jp version

I can submit to gh

[analog totem]

I think it’s specifically the background layer because when a text box appears, it covers it up

[thorn pagoda]

happy saturnsday !

[frail token]

Is Castlevania fixed yet?

[ancient surge]

I remember playing Linkle Liver Story on one of the older builds and didn't notice any of those glitches, so I'm assuming one of the newer builds introduced that bug.

[pastel basalt]

did you play a patched version?

[frail token]

How it feels playing Saturn on a dual RAM build today

[high bramble]

That looks like a fishing pole.
Did you try to pick it up? 😏

[ancient surge]

It was with the English patch, so it's possible this glitch is related to the core itself.

[naive whale]

anything new running?

[ripe valley]

It was more for fixing some stuck notes with the MT32Pi module.

Like on Final Fight and Street Fighter 2.

[serene thunder]

I once stuck a note

[ripe valley]

@floral saddle Could you retest Dezaemon 2 one more time later ?Thanks.

[ivory kindle]

That’s got your name in it if you care about that kind of thing

[frail token]

Yeah I know

Not worried about it at all lol

Is there a way to add the script that grabs the dual SDRAM core to update all so you're only running one script?

[analog totem]

it would be nice to eventually have a dual ram repository or something that you can turn on in update_all settings….I’m sure I can imagine why it hasn’t been added though

[pearl harbor]

Aww yeah, we got yet another Saturnday!? And a new stable build at that!? What is this and madness!?

[frail token]

Maybe we can talk to theypsilon about it

Already has an option for JT beta

Doesn't seem much different

[bleak escarp]

I haven't even had time to test the last few builds, please Tell me how it is

[pearl harbor]

It's good stuff.

[bleak escarp]

Wouldn't doubt it, it was running real good when I last tried the core

[analog totem]

I posted in their discord 😅 I guess the one thing is that all dual ram builds thusfar have been considered unstable/test…not sure if that matters or not

[frail token]

I thought there was a stable one today

[floral saddle]

Would love to but my PC is completely busted, will be a few days before all the new components arrive and I can test the new core.

[ripe valley]

Okay, no problem, I was just doing a review of the relevant opened issues.

Take all the time needed.

[floral saddle]

Also, I noticed the portrait sprite issue on RS isn't on github, was that ever logged?

[ripe valley]

I forgot, oopsie.

Sorry.

That need to be retested too as it could be one of the cases of undocumented functions on the VDP.

[floral saddle]

Hey, no need to apologise, you are doing a great job!

Will take another look at that too, hopefully I will be up and running again by the weekend.

[ripe valley]

Gotta go for the moment, I'm just waiting the NES core finishing to compile and sending it on the correct section.

[analog totem]

I don’t think a dual ram build has ever been officially released. There is a new build, yes.

[frail token]

Gotcha

[plush jetty]

Oh yes, been hoping that core finally gets some love, such an underrated computer

[ripe valley]

Linkle Liver Story have that black line since some time.

[ancient surge]

You sure? Because I don't remember seeing that line when I played it a while ago.

Maybe it's RAM related? Because I normally use the dual RAM build.

[ripe valley]

I have checked all the Saturn cores since October 2024.

Single and Dual.

2024-09 -18 version works.

I need to check between here and end of October 2024.

[inner kayak]

How are things looking in terms of new regressions versus fixed issues?

[celest lake]

core is still pretty new. it coming on a monday means folks likely aren’t able to test right away because they are at work. I think zet confirmed the bug fixes, but nothing new has been found beyond that

[rich violet]

Tons fixed compared to previous stable release.

One thing fixed compared to previous unstable

[inner kayak]

of course, just checking since the last unstable introduced so many showstoppers

[ripe valley]

No new regression so far, but I will play it (casually) tonight.

[somber jacinth]

@ripe valley

[ripe valley]

Yes ?

[ivory kindle]

carry on

[ripe valley]

Wayward Son

(Sorry, I had to)

[hearty carbon]

There'll be peace when you are done. Lay your weary keys to rest, no more update core.

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-otto-rocking-out-guitar-rock-gif-20418228

[ripe valley]

So, Linkle Liver Story regressed on core 20241116.

And worked last time on core 20241106.

I lost 2 hours of my life finding that.

[cunning citrus]

Zet-Sensei's Cyclone V: "I'm tired, boss".

[ripe valley]

Thanks to my wife saying : "I'm drinking with the girls tonight, enjoy your time" too.

[vocal oar]

question for the channel, what are your favorite shmups for Saturn?

(any region)

[serene thunder]

Darius Gaiden

TF Gold pack

[pastel basalt]

Soukyugurentai

Battle Garegga

[serene thunder]

Rayforce

[sudden tusk]

Yes … except for that minor glitch when you hit the lion head statue on right before the skeleton dragon boss

[serene thunder]

https://timebokan.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Bokan_Series:_Bokan_to_Ippatsu!_Doronbo

[sudden tusk]

Not that I’m aware of but I been going up and down the library and there’s been very few minor hiccups

[serene thunder]

Radiant Silvergun
Konami Deluxe packs

[vocal oar]

noting all these, thank you

[serene thunder]

Batsugun
TFV

[frail token]

Ahh I don't know if I got that far but I recall some glitch graphics in the stage with the rising water and the raft

[serene thunder]

Game Tengoku is cool but not great

Hyper Duel

Shienryu

[upper dust]

Raizing shmups are best played on the Saturn at the moment since the arcade cores are outdated
also, Sengoku Blade is good

[serene thunder]

👀

[hardy lodge]

Robby said Saturn core got a major update. Seems to be moving towards the finish line huh?

[vocal oar]

Who is the developer of the Saturn core?

[hardy lodge]

Srg320, he isn't on this discord though.

[twin canyon]

i heard it got updated

[ripe valley]

We heard it through the grapevine.

[twin canyon]

that saturn white wine

[naive whale]

yeah its like 95% solid

[burnt matrix]

Is it better than software emulation?

[naive whale]

no

[burnt matrix]

Coward!!!

[naive whale]

it CAN be, but overall compatibility is a no

[burnt matrix]

Is it better than original hardware?

[ripe valley]

Even better, we have a HDMI. 😏

[sudden tusk]

A lot resetting and fiddling with settings still and minor visual jank here and there 😦 but yeah almost everything at least runs

[ancient surge]

Death Crimson and Planet Joker in 4K! 😍

[frail token]

Someone here said yes actually

[cursive tree]

VF2 and Tomb Rider are ok now? Sorry if it was asked before, couldn’t find the answer

[mortal mist]

nope , no change

[cursive tree]

Thanks

[dense sundial]

ohhhh Lara

https://imgur.com/H3ZWroo

oooooh Lara, you look kinda messed up

-# also yeah that's some Mega Man 3-style optimizing

[naive whale]

@sudden tusk is in my comments trying to start the FPGA wars

[celest lake]

Doing the lord's work

[muted cradle]

They don't work on 9.2 analog out AFAIK. But they still work on 6.1 analog Boards in HDMI? Don't they?

In my case all the Saturn verts cannot be played because they need anti-clockwise rotation and my new LCD monitor can just be turned clockwise. Thus only arcade verticals for me. Or PSX. Until I have access to my CRT again, which can be turned in any direction.

I played Gunbird tonight and the garbage renders in the videos between the levels is still there. I thought that was fixed. I guess not.

[celest lake]

Raizing fixes are coming this quarter

[sudden tusk]

The war is already over .. FPGA WINS!

[ripe valley]

I tried 3 times that game, I don't know how you have that issue.

I need more explanation on how to reproduce it with steps, please.

[upper dust]

There are some memory issues that make them unstable as well. Good to know there will be fixes!

[pastel basalt]

Oh really?

That rules

[muted cradle]

I trust you that you don't see the issues. I will try with .cue/.bin

[vestal night]

King of fighters 95 does not detect 4M, is this normal at the moment?

[ripe valley]

Kof 95 needs a special card (and you must provide it by yourself).

Or a hacked version with that special ROM card added already inside.

[vestal night]

action replay not working on mister?

[ripe valley]

Not at the moment.

[vestal night]

So there is only one option with a hack?

[ripe valley]

Either providing the ROM dump of that card, or the hacked version of the game.

The two solutions are working on the core.

[visual grove]

Nice, those are good games will be good if they are maintained though I personally haven’t had the hangs people talk about. Wonder if it’s a chip lottery thing whether you hit it

[celest lake]

yeah I also haven’t had any issues with them (although they are a bit wonky in DV). The fucking intro bit in bat rider (after you select your fighter and start playing) is one of my favorite “lets fucking go” video game moments. The music mixed with dropping you right into it is so good

I think robby put me onto that game

[vestal night]

And from which resource can I download this ROM?

[celest lake]

but anyway, this quarter should be raizing and toaplan2 stuff from coinop (as well as tecmo16 games)

[pastel basalt]

I’ll still play Saturn Battle Greg but yeah I’ve had those Batrider hangs, usually on initial core load

[ripe valley]

I can't provide sources as it is against the rules.
You just have either a 4MB Cart Hack of that game, or provide the mpr-18811-mx ROM chip dump and load is as cartridge on the core before loading the KoF'95 game.

[pastel basalt]

The core does have a function to load unique cart binaries right?

I haven’t tried it but it would be interesting to see if it could load my pseudo Saturn Kai cart binary lol

No reason for it though

Except if you really had the kof 95 cart, I guess you could dump it and load your own binary for it?

[ivory kindle]

@visual grove

how

what secret robby emoji server do you belong to

[vestal night]

thank you, I figured it out thanks to you)

[ripe valley]

Yes, and the Ultraman game too.

Pseudo Kai and the AR card didn't loaded by I've not tested it since at least a year.

[pastel basalt]

Cool that you tested

Only cart I’m interested in loading… https://segaretro.org/NetLink_Internet_Modem

[ripe valley]

The modem doesn't load.

I tried it during some testings sessions for the compatibility lists.
Compatibility lists I could continue now, since that most of the regressions are gone.

[pastel basalt]

What’s your process for the lists? How much will you play of a game looking for bugs?

[visual grove]

I made a personal server

[ivory kindle]

aw man

I need nitro

[burnt matrix]

LOL damnit

[ripe valley]

Taking the game never tested on the core, one by one (generally the JP ones, as I'm more fluent than some other testers on the Saturn section, especially the visual novels/mahjong ones.)
Playing the game at least 15 minutes + full intro + full title screen/options, to be classified as "Playable".

Otherwise, I'm seeking if an issue ticket is opened, opening it on contrary.

Empirism with years on beta testing on other software emulators could help.

98-99% of the problems with a core or an emulator could be seen during that time.

Generally it crashes or we could see some bugs quite quickly.

That's not a full beta testing, see it more like a better 'screening' method.

Searching the potential culprits.

At the moment, that's not a perfect methodology, but it succeeds when you could see the lesser and lesser issue reports, or more specific ones.

See how the last two issues reported on Snatcher and Golden Axe helped to found some undocumented instructions of the VDP2 and srg320 is quick to add them.

[tawny forge]

Any improvements on Radiant Silvergun?

[warped saddle]

the garbage video thing when you restart was fixed an update or two ago

[kindred peak]

I checked Gex. Works great.

[tawny forge]

Nothing about the random crash on one of the earlier bosses, right?

[warped saddle]

no, but it's so not consistent it's probably hard to make a coherent report about

also even if it was, lol. 'just get the boss with X conditions!'

[tawny forge]

It probably fails the same way on real hardware 😌

[green jacinth]

Can't wait to tell my grandkids about the fpga wars of 2024 / 2025 they are going to be so disinterested

[naive whale]

“Tell me you never got laid gramps without telling me”

[olive fern]

Sounds like dual ram builds are becoming less and less a thing lol

[hardy lodge]

Is there a reason the dual ram version of the core is not in update all? Can I add it manually?

[olive fern]

oh btw @naive whale you never left a link to the github for dual ram

[celest lake]

Its here: https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_DualSDRAM_unstable_20250113_14cd33.rbf (it says unstable but it’s based on todays release)

There was discussion about maybe having a dual ram repo option for update_all going forward, but it’s probably still early for that. SRG and Grey still have some magic left in them

[olive fern]

.....and then jesus came

...no wait that came out wrong

[wise brook]

the tile is still missing from the biometal logo on current dual

[burnt matrix]

Yeah we talked about it in the mod group. It is still too early but the idea would be to expose an opt-in option to the user to select dual ram cores instead of single ram where applicable.

Honestly; I’m fully expecting both cores to not require dual ram at all at this point. It’ll likely end up like the PSX core where dual ram provides an extremely minor if even noticeable benefit due to increased core accuracy.

Single ram cores must remain the standard however because of our friends who use analogue video. It’s why it’s so important to keep that the goal.

[drowsy hull]

Copium

Search your feelings, you know it's true

[burnt matrix]

I’m a dual ram hypocrite lol. I constantly champion single ram even though I use dual.

[stiff patrol]

Your still wrong dual ram doesnt block the use of Analog CRT it just requires that a DAC be used. Its time to kill this notion that dual ram means no CRT

[burnt matrix]

Well, can’t let you win this internet argument. Time to learn some VHDL programming to kill all external DAC usage!

In all seriousness that was the reason I was told, I’m just echo’ing it.

But I guess even with the new digital boards, you just need an HDMI jumper (which it comes with) to use analogue video out.

[stiff patrol]

Your number 1 giver of free gifts is working on such a DAC

surely you have been provided a free one by now !

[burnt matrix]

I swear I buy all my things lol, don’t even have a discount!

except for the times I didn’t buy it but I disclose that!

[stiff patrol]

This comment sponsored by ATT and Corsair your nu,ber 1 keyboard supplier

https://misteraddons.com/collections/coming-soon/products/reflex-prism-hdmi-to-analog

is the incoming DAC

so the we must have single for CRT is just a myth

[celest lake]

I think there are still caveats for using DV to get analog out to a crt. I don’t remember what they are.

Is the menu still fucked up because it doesn’t support dv?

[stiff patrol]

no that dac allegedly solves all this

[visual grove]

All DAC are a reduced experience compared to straight analog out. Single ram will always be preferred for CRT

[stiff patrol]

thats not true though

all current DACS maybe

[visual grove]

Having it as an option seems fine though, I don’t think anyone is saying don’t have that

[burnt matrix]

What about the new digital board that uses the hdmi jumper. Have you tried that?

I haven’t done it yet so I dunno.

[celest lake]

Io direct? Yeah, it’s all the same problem I think. It’s relying on direct video out of the hdmi port.

[visual grove]

Yeah it’s all the same, even prism is just a nice generic dac (I was part of the beta test). But yeah the dv dac experience isn’t terrible but it is slightly diminished. My ideal is to never see sync drop out on a crt because it shouldn’t have to with analog video and analog circuits. I want the digital to analog to be as close to the source as possible (within the core) and to reflect the original hardware as much as possible. It’s greedy but for almost every core it’s a fine expectation and for Saturn/Jag there are caveats but it’s nice to choose which caveat to accept if we could get dual deployment

[burnt matrix]

Ok that’s cool, thank you for the info.

I have both the analog and digital boards because I am a crazy man

[celest lake]

Dear dev, 3 GPIO lanes when

[visual grove]

I actually have the equivalent of io direct with my V2 mistercades that are dual ram (you can use a clever daughter board to make them pure analog). Arcade games supported by mister don’t switch resolutions like PSX/Saturn/etc so it’s less an issue since I never run those on the cabs. Haven’t tried die hard arcade on it, would be interesting to see if it drops sync

I know there are no problems with Die Hard Arcade using actual STV hardware on the cabs so it would be an easy compare

[green jacinth]

For what it's worth I built my second mister unit as a dual ram setup specifically for saturn on my pvm

So glad for porkchops revised boards just making my life easier and providing an abundance of options

[visual grove]

Yeah the 9.2 design with the riser is cool too. Would be neat to have an option where it’s just a toggle if enough dual ram cores appear. So you could still have crt and hdmi hooked up and the toggle would change from analog to external dac path / other ram bank.

Maybe better left for a future mister 2

[burnt matrix]

I have enough parts to build another MiSTer. I wonder when I’ll ever do that lol.

[pastel basalt]

I only set up dual ram because of the Saturn core; if the single ram version ever advances to the same level then I’ll absolutely go back to an analog board build. It’s so convenient. Like direct video does work (mostly) but it has some random issues

Mostly with my crt unfortunately

The genesis core does not want to play nice with direct video at all for me

[ancient surge]

Genesis core doesn't have DV1 support; the Mega Drive core does though.

[visual grove]

Genesis had direct video support, it might not have that extra metadata thing for Tink/Morph if that’s what you mean

[celest lake]

there is a build with DV support iirc. It works on my tink4k 🤷

[shadow merlin]

New update to the Princess Crown translation patch https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrown/releases/tag/v0.8

Getting closer to 1.0

[muted cradle]

Or 0.10.0, who knows

After that 0.11.0 😉

[plush jetty]

Batsugun - hack version that splices in Saturn Tribute music from Switch release

[plush jetty]

I heard if you’re into errr Romance and CDs, ahem, it’s easy to find

[green basalt]

Damn I didn't realise just how good dead or alive looks on the saturn

Character models look great

Plus boob jiggle

[vestal night]

Thank you)

[serene thunder]

Anywan like this game? Isometric run & gun cute-em-up?

[pastel basalt]

Interesting

I would try it

[pastel basalt]

it's pretty fun, would be great with 2 player

[frail token]

This would be ideal I think

[frail token]

I got one of each my other mister is kind of my road mister and also my just in case someone has a CRT mister lol

[rotund steeple]

With the latest offical core i can boot Battle Garegga anymore. Stays a few seconds at the bios screen, then back to the CD menu. Redump bin/cue version.

[pastel basalt]

it boots for me on dual

I'll check the official rq

[rotund steeple]

I'm on single SD

[pastel basalt]

yeah latest official also boots

do you see the EA logo at all?

[rotund steeple]

Very strange. No, nothing

[pastel basalt]

maybe clear your Saturn config

[rotund steeple]

It's just this game so far, deleted the Saturn memory save. No luck

[pastel basalt]

which bios are you using?

[rotund steeple]

Multi Region patched, works with everthing

[pastel basalt]

did you also try deleting your saturn.cfg file?

[rotund steeple]

Ok, tried a single bin/cue. That one works. But the Multi Bin/cue worked before.

[pastel basalt]

interesting, maybe one of the bin files randomly corrupted, my version has 33 tracks

and is booting

[rotund steeple]

Probably. Just copied a fresh multi bin/cue version, now it works.

[pastel basalt]

Battle Garegga for all...

[rotund steeple]

And music is playing!!!

Was broken for a long time as it seems

[pastel basalt]

I've been on the unstables so music has been around for a while but I remember at one point it was definitely broken for some reason

[tribal burrow]

Anybody check the Grandia flickering thing on the most recent ?

[celest lake]

I’m sure it’s still there, but I will look now

yup, still there

[tribal burrow]

dang.

Thanks for checking!

[mortal mist]

Same for me , flickering - single sdram

[upper dust]

works fine for me on a single stick - YMMV as always

[wise brook]

have you tried “fast timings” on the single_ram core?

[mortal mist]

no change for me with fast timings , on dualsdram works fine

[wise brook]

i’ve heard it can take the edge off

[tribal burrow]

my mister is at the office rn can't go check but thanks 🙂

[livid grotto]

Yes, you can fix the flickering in Grandia on the single-ram by enabling fast-timings. I am on the qmtech FPGA.

[rich violet]

Some people can

[rich violet]

I've not tried it yet, but it's looking good here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jan2NHJW4Ps

[shadow merlin]

I tried it a bit earlier, looks good and seems to work well on mister

[ripe valley]

I need to check a small issue with a Fairy effect inside the game.

[lofty spire]

if that's the case then i'm not convinced fast timing does anything cause i flicker like crazy regardless if it's on fast or original

[inner kayak]

What’s the web URL to find info on this game?

[lofty spire]

i hope Sinden support gets added so i can play Virtua Cop 🙂

[upper dust]

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/purikura-daisakusen/amp/

[viral pebble]

Hey folks, what's the best/most compatible bios for the Saturn core?

[thorn pagoda]

check the pins

[pearl harbor]

I don't know that there's really a "best" version. Mostly which ever one you like the most. I need my US bios for maximum nostalgia!

[thorn pagoda]

it's in the "your questions answered" one

[sudden tusk]

Wwf in your house is still having sound issues ..

[wise brook]

same for gun4ir

[burnt matrix]

@runic jacinth sorry for removing your message but please don’t link that site.

[lofty spire]

plausible deniability

[burnt matrix]

That linked Grandia translation is very old, I wouldn’t use it. You should use this one, it’s latest and greatest - https://segaxtreme.net/resources/grandia-english-patch.67/

I haven’t heard about any issues with saving in Grandia. Do you have autosaves set to on? Do you bring up the core menu after you save your game (only way to get it to write the save to sd card).

[lofty spire]

yeah, it's something you have to get used to when saving while playing games on MiSTer. save, bring up the OSD. save, bring up the OSD. every time

[warped saddle]

turbo your osd button

always be saving

[frail token]

Oh good idea

if you press it fast enough you won't see it. It's like when The Flash phases through walls.

[errant crown]

What does the site rhyme with so I know not to link it?

[small gust]

And even if it fixes the flicker, it might increase the desync between ground floor and other geometry.
For me the only way to fix it was to use dual ram.

[lofty spire]

yeah i basically just accepted that Grandia's gonna have flickering textures unless i get dual ram

[wise brook]

what’s your usual setup?

like, crt or hdmi mainly/only, steaming simultaneously

i got lucky myself with my tv setup, i already had a scart splitter and a retrotink 5x, so when i went dualram i didn’t really loose simultaneous output

and i gained motion adaptive de-interlacing which is great with the few games that use 480i

[tribal burrow]

Is the Grandia flicker expected to be fixed or is it something that just won’t ever work without dual ram?

[hearty marten]

Nobody knows. Might not work without dual ram, but nobody can say for certain

[wise brook]

srg separated guilty the ram timings across the dual ram architecture. so i’d say it’s gotten further away from happening

[thorn pagoda]

there are people who it works on single ram for aswell

i still suspect it is some deeply weird bug somewhere and could be fixed someday, we've seen way weirder

[wise brook]

i wonder

[warped saddle]

yeah, that bug isn't as simple as dual vs single. didn't someone say they changed sd cards and it stopped?

[thorn pagoda]

only one person had that confirmed i think

[ancient surge]

I have never seen that Grandia problem myself.

[mortal mist]

it changed from time to time

there are probably more factors

[thorn pagoda]

oh yeah there's that aswell, if you go back to an old enough build the problem goes away

[mortal mist]

previously, even older versions of sdam were a problem for core

I assume , that combo sdram + fgpa + sdcard causes different results with Grandia for people with single sdram. Timings ?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/d7aee5703a2ff8b9829ccb1f78726b04f6031864 after this change Grandia works ok

for dualsdram

[warped saddle]

is this issue very early in the game? like does it involve minimal jrpging to see?

[mortal mist]

yes, after intro , opening sequence

[celest lake]

I have a save if you want it

[warped saddle]

why does the intro music to this game sound like an 80s buddy cop sitcom theme song?

[ancient surge]

It definitely has to be a bug somewhere, because it's only limited to one game.

[thorn pagoda]

you can see it in the intro even sometimes

fastest repro is to have a save after the intro, you can see it running around certain interiors

you may also notice the ground isn't animating on the same frames as everything else, that happens everywhere

[ancient surge]

Is there any other game that has this problem? Because as far as I'm aware only Grandia has it.

[thorn pagoda]

i think there's like, a demo of grandia that also does it, probably not what you're looking for

[ancient surge]

Also does this effect the Japanese only Grandia Digital Museum? That game recycles the same engine, so it should have the same problem too.

[thorn pagoda]

ah, yeah thats what i was thinking of

[warped saddle]

12 minutes until player control. this game IS broken

[mortal mist]

yes, same #1046941029296779344 message

i tried it too

[burnt matrix]

Yah Grandia worked for me with single sdram

[warped saddle]

seems ok on my qmtech

[celest lake]

load this save. exit the cabin you're in. there is another cabin that is south east of the starting cabin (it has a little stream around it and you have to cross a bridge). That cabin flickers like mad for me

[burnt matrix]

Hey dumb question but is the texture flicking isolated to a single area or is it game-wide?

[mortal mist]

it is noticeable in various places

especially indoors , near walls

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh ok. That’s unfortunate. It’ll get fixed though!

In the mean time y’all could play the superior PS1 version.

[mortal mist]

I use dualsdram, so there is no problem 😛

[burnt matrix]

But my troll!

[mortal mist]

you are good troll 😛

[wild maple]

Hi, has anyone managed to get Mortal Kombat Trilogy USA version working? Thanks

[mortal mist]

latest core ?

was fixed 6.01 - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/01731407f9e13c36590cd87d493c120617665ce8

[wild maple]

Yes

[mortal mist]

I will check it out

[wild maple]

thanks, do you have 2 ram on mister for core saturn does it make sense?

[mortal mist]

it makes sense to me , I don't like compromises 🙂

I'm lazy , I don't need to turn on fast timing mode

but I've actually been using dualsdram almost since the very beginning when I got de10 that is 2019

[wise brook]

https://fixvx.com/insanemegacd/status/1879524419418431499?s=46

remember with many Saturn games you can start+a+b+c back to the bios and play the ost

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhh didn’t know, thanks!

[wise brook]

i wanted to check out this easter egg myself but then got sucked into listening to the whole thing

as long as the soundtrack was redbook audio

stuff that was live generated by the SCSP won’t do nothing sadly

[hearty marten]

The main issue with the grandia texture flickering is probably that srg320 can’t reproduce it (iirc). Until that happens it seems unlikely to get fixed

[wise brook]

playing Rolling Start from daytona rn 😩

[hearty marten]

Unless something else fixes it accidentally

[burnt matrix]

Is there clone hardware that reproduces the issue 100%?

[wise brook]

4 misters, 2 de-10, 1 qmtech 1 taki udon.
15 sd cards.
6 different ram sticks
20 different rips and formats of Grandia

[hearty marten]

Sounds like it’s not the QMTech based on Zakk’s comment

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit you have four misters?

Only have one 😭

[hearty marten]

FoUr mIsTeRz?!

[wise brook]

every single combination of them, produced the issue, every time once that particular core revision came out

[hearty marten]

Me too, and I’m only a single ram pleb, for now

[wise brook]

to the point where someone didn’t have the issue i’m convinced they hadn’t updated or something.

[hearty marten]

I’ve never tried Saturn Grandia though. I suspect my MiSTer would run it flawlessly because it’s amazing

[wise brook]

just 2 now. sold my ITX beast for baby money and one went to my brother for his birthday

[burnt matrix]

That’s awesome of you

[wise brook]

now i’ve just got a Taki and a DE-10

[burnt matrix]

congrats on the baby!

[wise brook]

just for comparison sake really

[burnt matrix]

I had a Taki for a couple of days and it was very good.

[wise brook]

thank, she’s doing well

[hearty marten]

I mean given the choice between a baby and a MiSTer…

….

[burnt matrix]

combine the two

[hearty marten]

As long as she doesn’t grow up being introduced to NES through bad software emulation, we’re all good 😉

[wise brook]

she’ll be raised on a diet of original hardware and fpga.
she’ll be the first Gen B girl with nostalgia for anime on vhs

and Saturn.
raising her bilingual with japanese as a second language so she can help me translate games lol

[burnt matrix]

4D chess

[wise brook]

my niece loves playing super mario bros on the crt, but only in the rom hacks where you play as the princess

my kids gonna love Princess Crown

that’ll be her language homework, playing it in japanese

[celest lake]

I also can reproduce the error on 4 misters using that save I posted

[burnt matrix]

The4mistersJesusFish sounds like an urban legend

[celest lake]

Gotta workshop the name.

[hearty marten]

I feel like I probably need to buy more MiSTers since I’m letting the team down

[upper dust]

is it the Village Elder's House?

[naive whale]

I wonder who has the most. I’m sitting on a six pack

[celest lake]

That is an excellent question. I haven’t actually played the game, so I don’t know

but it could be!

[celest lake]

I technically have 6. I bought a 2nd qmtech which I’m selling to a buddy. And my son has my batch 1 taki stack

the clones make it real easy

I only have 2 de10s

[warped saddle]

ok, with the save I see flickering in one of the cabins

but it's WAYYYYYYY better if I enable fast timing

[upper dust]

I must have won the lottery

[celest lake]

yeah, that’s the house

TIL you can rotate the camera

[warped saddle]

with fast timing it goes from the walls flicking constantly to them being mostly ok with a random sort of quick flash occasionally

[upper dust]

Single stick v2.5 RAM from MA (stock timings)
Samsung EVO 256gb SD card
Played from an SSD over USB
DE-10 Nano

Fast timing off
Fan translation v1.1

[naive whale]

FBHHRA = Fat Baby Hank Hill @burnt matrix Array

[celest lake]

getting closer

[mortal mist]

No issues , works fine

[naive whale]

One day I will play a MiSTer for fun I swear 🤣

[burnt matrix]

You didn’t win the lottery, the core knows you have in your ❤️

[warped saddle]

oh boy

so

[naive whale]

and Uranus in your ass

[warped saddle]

fast timing + ram overlclock: zero flicker

[thorn pagoda]

iirc fast timing fixes the walls but makes the floor desync even worse

[wild maple]

it doesn't work for me 😔

[mortal mist]

Chd , bin/cue?

Maybe try another game img

[upper dust]

same

[wild maple]

I tried both chd and cue bin with single ram

[mortal mist]

Yeah , tried single too

[wild maple]

that's strange it doesn't work for me enter the soundtrack

[mortal mist]

Try using reset , maybe it will load with the second time

[warped saddle]

can't OC this mister's ram beyond 1000Mhz, instant lockup beyond that

[mortal mist]

Same for me

[warped saddle]

funny it fixes the flickering thing for me tho

time to start sorting people by ram speed too

[wild maple]

tried, nothing unfortunately 😔

[thorn pagoda]

that is interesting nobodies tried that before i don't think

overclocking the ddr3

how high did you have to go to fix it?

[warped saddle]

let me start dropping it down to see

looks like 900Mhz is where it seems to stop entirely?

[thorn pagoda]

fascinating

[warped saddle]

hmm. maybe 950 actually

[thorn pagoda]

i wonder if it completely smooths out the other stuff thats none-ideal on single sdram

[warped saddle]

900 it is like 99% gone but if you walk in circles for like 1 minute you'll get a brief flash

[thorn pagoda]

i love how this bug has just like, endless aspects to it lol

i wonder if that means underclocking ddr3 could help srg320 repro it

[warped saddle]

can confirm dropping to like 750Mhz is a flickerfest

[thorn pagoda]

how do we tell srg320? dispatch an owl or something?

[celest lake]

I think Zet is the SRG-Whisperer

[warped saddle]

I don't know the few fighting games well enough to know if the slowdown is 100% gone. which ones were they anyways?

vf2?

[thorn pagoda]

480i ones

doa

i think it was only on certain stages and not all the time though

[celest lake]

doa was the big one