Sega Saturn

[gloomy hedge]

right out the cheeks

[serene thunder]

All that ripfuel

[burnt matrix]

That was me at Tokyo Disney

Like all day

[gloomy hedge]

is that why you got kicked out

[burnt matrix]

Yes : (

[gloomy hedge]

or was it because you were touching bumblebee in his stinger

[burnt matrix]

The transformer?

[gloomy hedge]

oh wait is that disney

oh that isnt disney is it

thats universal isnt it

whatever

shut up

wind blaster

runs

[warped saddle]

blast wind?

[gloomy hedge]

blast wind

its like what if technosoft made a game that isnt complete memo

but unfortunately has input lag which gives it a real memo feel

[serene thunder]

Would you take that or Hyper Duel for a dessert island

I would probably opt for TF Collection vol 2

[gloomy hedge]

neitehr I'd just take a hat

and eat that

[serene thunder]

Hats are not an option

[gloomy hedge]

I'd decline the saturn

try to pawn it off on the boat to the island for food

[serene thunder]

You can make hats and other things out of palm leaves

[gloomy hedge]

https://youtu.be/z_oJqj_ls8c for those that dont know blast wind - I was able to squeek out a clear

this is before I realized that my capture card had issues with RGB so the colors arent QUITE right I think? I cant remember, I did fix that though eventually - whole saga

[gloomy hedge]

I could also make a hat out of the case of technosoft games

[serene thunder]

Very nice capture quality tho

[gloomy hedge]

thanks 🙂 yeah

totally

I have been tuning my retrotink setup haha

legit I cant do technosoft games

I have tried time and time again

and they just feel really weird to me, cant clear tf3, tfac, tf4

[burnt matrix]

hard is still hard har har har

[serene thunder]

I got some super-clean results using this old e1s card with HDMI in

[gloomy hedge]

hard is soft when you're around tho (robby)

[warped saddle]

Robby is the boner killer

[gloomy hedge]

what retrotink can do for ps2 is really really nice

surprising tbh

ps2 usually a piece of shit to capture properly

should play more tf5 tho

[serene thunder]

It's killing me, as I have a whole PS2 setup and need something to heal the 480i

[gloomy hedge]

never really gave that one a full thrust

[gloomy hedge]

the tink does it

you wanna see my tink?

I can put on some interlace for you 💋

[serene thunder]

I got a GBS-C, but it's deffo limited

It looks cool tho, so there's that

[burnt matrix]

Can’t spell boner without Robby

check

Mate

[serene thunder]

My traveling PS2 setup

In a Death Stranding case

[burnt matrix]

What’s in the bubble wrap

[serene thunder]

NASA grade component cable

It's so beefy

[burnt matrix]

That’s cool

[ivory kindle]

do you go door to door, trying to sell PS2s?

drop some dreamcast on their carpet

[serene thunder]

And I got one of these to pair with it

[ivory kindle]

here, let me show you what PS2 can do

[burnt matrix]

It can connect keyboards!!!!

I am make funny joke!

[serene thunder]

I actually have a behemoth HD CRT sitting in storage
It should be great for PS2, though it probably murders 240p

[burnt matrix]

I am computar wizard!!!4

Eat my shirts

[serene thunder]

34" Philips monstrosity

Happily, GunCon seems to work

[serene thunder]

PS1 also benefits, stuff like Bloody Roar

And Saturn, and N64

I needs me a Tink or comparable

[burnt matrix]

ok bye bye plane taking off

Bye bye Los Angeles

Which is Spanish for “the Angeles”

[serene thunder]

Check the wings for gremlins

[warped saddle]

you need one of those planes with starlink

[gloomy hedge]

Check, please

[gloomy hedge]

International man of culture

[gloomy hedge]

Lol wtf

[paper tiger]

bitd I bought a PC Engine Hori Fighting Commander for Street Fighter 2, and when I finally got home I tragically realized it didn't fit into the Turbografx

so it went untouched for decades ;p

I use it now that I finally got a turbo duo though

[untold flame]

anyone own this snac adapter by any chance? https://akicus.shop/collections/snac-adapters/products/snac-adapter-saturn-black (just got one of the caseless ones with an oddly loose feeling input port)

not sure if this is a known issue but mine appears to be recognizing the controllers in a strange manner; 3d pad ends up freezing the system and a digital pad barely functions

both controllers on a raphnet usb adapter read fine

[inner token]

you can try not plugging into the saturn port all the way, leave a gap. The loose connector might be the problem.

if you search my posts I put up a controller test rom that will let you know when you have a good connection

[green swift]

When you think about it, it's pretty wild that we have this magical SBC that can play pretty much every system that matters from 1996 and back at the transistor level with Bluetooth controllers and wireless latency down to sub frame times, NFC loading of games, and light guns compatible with LCD screens, and yet a reliable Sega Saturn controller port continues to be an enigma to 3rd party manufacturers. Somehow this is where the true limit in modern retro gaming lies.

[untold flame]

just grabbed that controller test rom and the behavior still persists even by leaving a gap

3d pad crashes the test program even with the slightest connection, and the digital pad [which starts on (02) FC FF] i see that the action buttons and R do nothing, but half the d-pad works while left causes some odd zooming behavior with the red test ball, and L resets that ball back to position

[inner token]

think digital pad should give 02 FF FF when nothing is pressed

the other test rom(the pskai one) gives the buttons pressed

[inner token]

yeah those have been a pain with saturn

[untold flame]

was able to give the digital pad a further look with the pskai save data manager, it looks like the inputs of the dpad also crossover with the XYZ and R for some reason, while B and C stay held and A inaccesible

and R itself does nothing and L crosses over with Start (which also does nothing on its own alongside the action buttons themselves)

3d pad seems to basically disable all inputs as soon as you try to connect it

[inner token]

if your io board has a jumper next to userport is it set to io6?

[untold flame]

so i got a mister multisystem which has a tiny switch next to the SNAC port, and that did fix the digital pad's input actually!

shoulda suspected that really, though it seems the 3d pad is still not cooperating

there's also a jumper above that switch, i ought to take a closer look at that

[inner token]

good, that seems like it was it. You'll probably be able to get the 3d pad working others have.

[untold flame]

yeah looks like its workin fine now actually

flipped the analog switch on my pad and its workin wonders now

thanks for this levelheaded check on this!

[inner token]

👍 the test roms help, the FC probably meant that one pin wasn't working right, so that could have been the jumper/switch or a connection problem with one pin.

[kind quarry]

I keep having issues with the core losing where the saves are located. i think it’s confused because my image files are on an external drive and not the SD card

[burnt matrix]

Try doing a synlink on your sd card to the external drive location

[kind quarry]

i’ll try when i get home tonight. Is there a tutorial about synlink somewhere i should follow? I’m not familiar with the term

[burnt matrix]

I use WinSCP in windows to make them. Here’s a guide - https://winscp.net/eng/docs/task_link

[kind quarry]

Amazing! Thank you for the quick response 🙏

[thorn pagoda]

ooh neat

[hallow fossil]

Do we not support analogue triggers?

[ripe valley]

No support on the Main MiSTer file.

[ancient surge]

Been quiet lately...

[ripe valley]

Calm before the storm.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-gif-4883478538038806762

[noble escarp]

While this not happen... Blueretro + saturn snac solves the problem

[safe trail]

Why would analog triggers be needed ? What core requires them ?

[wise brook]

this one

[willow siren]

Might it be added? Outrun (arcade) uses them too, maybe other arcade games that may or may not have cores...

[noble escarp]

Some saturn games uses analog triggers

[burnt matrix]

I think Saturn + Outrun is a compelling reason to add them. Future arcade cores could also use them.

[wise brook]

saturn invented analog triggers

https://tenor.com/view/tough-crowd-comedian-fix-tie-rodney-dangerfield-gif-4052184564659461560

saturn be like

[burnt matrix]

Namco NeGcon had analog triggers first

Sony wins again!

[minor cipher]

*trigger

just one

[burnt matrix]

Still counts

[minor cipher]

analog button support would benefit the NeGcon too

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it had that too

[minor cipher]

the current implementation is a bit of a hacky thing

[noble escarp]

current implementation just works ok for racing wheels

[thorn pagoda]

ao486 could use analog triggers aswell i think for flight sims

[noble escarp]

Single analog trigger!
Sega beats it with dual analog trigger bro!

[burnt matrix]

DAMNIT

[noble escarp]

Robby believes that the L trigger is analog on the negcon?

[burnt matrix]

Uhhhh all of it?

L trigger, buttons and the swivel thingy

[noble escarp]

ITS FAKE ANALOG. FAKE! SONY LIES!

[burnt matrix]

I’m not an analogician, I wouldn’t know!

[warped saddle]

analog triggers and stop basing the 'virtual' controller on SNES. the last year has made this a limitation that prevents true 'plug in controller and go' for at least three really popular cores

although one of them is hopeless for auto-mapping I guess

[green swift]

Not a bad work around, and I already have the BlueRetro receiver. Still, I'd like to see MiSTer main receive support some day. Fingers crossed. 🤞

[noble escarp]

I hope so!

Until then.. I've made a usb to saturn adapter that I can use on a real saturn and on mister with snac. (going to release it as open source soon)

[errant crown]

I love how most Saturn racing games that use the 3D Pad have analog gas and brake

[solemn grove]

which specifically is this a problem for?

[warped saddle]

psx, saturn, n64

[clear condor]

Is there an N64 peripheral with analog triggers?

[warped saddle]

no idea

[willow siren]

Is the Densha De Go one two analog "triggers"?

[burnt matrix]

Technically no, but the Ultra Racer 64 has an analog trigger that’s really mapped to one of the analog stick’s axis

[burnt matrix]

Nah, they’re all wacky mapped to regular N64 buttons.

[alpine pagoda]

Yeah I think n64 just has the two analog axes. I had a wheel with analog pedals and they were mapped to up and down on the stick.

[ancient surge]

Tomorrow is going to be an extra scary Saturnday, being the last Saturnday of October. So I think we should dig into something scary for the occasion.

SEGA Saturn has several games that fit the bill, like Enemy Zero and Baroque, to try out on the core.

[burnt matrix]

Mr Bones lol

[errant crown]

Yeah, Mr. Bones is great

Ed Annunziata’s best work imo

And with a killer soundtrack by Ronnie Montrose

https://youtu.be/cCr3GFWDdFc?si=xOCKd5wtc6J__Gqp

[errant crown]

If you have a 3D Pad, I highly recommend playing Baroque with that. Best way to play the game bar none.

[drifting frigate]

It REALLY adds to the fluidity of the game and the immersion overall.

[errant crown]

Yeah. No joke, I remember the controls feeling stiff when I first played it, and then upon finding out it supported the 3D pad, I instantly felt it make a world of difference.

[pearl harbor]

Holy crap Princess Crown english fan translation is actually out!!

Or at least an early version of it. Fully translated, but apparently needs testing for bugs still.

Just tested it, and so far it's working great on MiSTer.

[errant crown]

WHAT THE FUCK

I thought this would never happen!!

[errant crown]

How is it so far? Says it's in 0.3.

[pearl harbor]

I've only tested it a bit since it's late and I need to get some sleep, but it seems solid so far. Only issues I've noticed are the lack of the variable width font, and that the new game option at the start of the game wasn't translated. All the dialog in the game has been in english so far though.

I did notice that the uhh...romantic CD place mentioned that the v0.3 is a typo, and that it's actually v1.0.

No idea if that's correct info though.

[errant crown]

I don't usually trust info from the romantic CD place

The hell

Like, if you’re gonna say that, at least cite a source or something. Unless if someone on the official team uploaded this, and in that case, why didn’t they just fix the number in the Github release?

Weird

Either way, it seems playable

[scarlet goblet]

They did not say that. They said that there's one zero--that is, there is a single zero. It is a refefence to the cdromance download being 0.03 when it should be 0.3.

One zero doesn't mean the digit 1 before the zero.

[pearl harbor]

Oh, well that's a very confusing way to word it.

But yeah, either way it seems very playable so far.

[severe whale]

Omg princess crown

[severe whale]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-titanic-gif-25999423

[ancient surge]

Happy 💀 s p o o k y 👻 Saturnday!

[green swift]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-waving-funny-waving-funny-bigfoot-gif-21554186

Been waiting on Princess Crown translation! My OCD is going to prevent me from playing anything less than 1.0 revision even if 0.3 is an arbitrary number so I’ll just keep watching people having fun from afar.

[burnt matrix]

Is princess crown actually good

[ripe valley]

Oh yes.

And Nakamura Ikumi is the best, for the spooky season.

[burnt matrix]

lol, my friend worked for her studio

[ripe valley]

Had the chance to meet her some years ago.
Very, very kind.

[naive whale]

So good

[naive whale]

It happened finally!

[naive whale]

getting footage now

[burnt matrix]

That’s cool, excited to finally play the game

[naive whale]

Im excited to finally understand it

some of the text boxes have some issues but otherwise so far seems stable

on the core...I tried Mednafen for the vid to give people the info and it would not launch

ill try Saroo later

[winter phoenix]

If you've already applied the Princess Crown patch, open up Track 1 in a hex editor and change the 07 to a 04 at these three locations:

0008F17C
0008F194
0008F1A8

That decreases the spacing between letters:

(Paul Met figured this out for the pre-patched locations and Ateam wrote a tutorial for it that helped me figure out the post-patch locations)

[burnt matrix]

hackerman

[naive whale]

good to know it emulates

[winter phoenix]

yeah, it works in Yaba Sanshiro and regular Mednafen, but not in Bizhawk or SSF. I haven't tried any others

[naive whale]

mednafen would not work for me

even with the proper files I couldnt get it to NOT open to a custom audio playback menu

[winter phoenix]

hmm

wonder which version I have that works, then

[naive whale]

I grabbed it from that romantic site that shall not be named

was fine on MiSTer. Just threw it on Saroo. Launched. Mednafen just sees it as an audio cd

vid tomorrow 4pm. Today's spot is Mega Splatterhouse

[safe trail]

I just heard a few things, and this is not final

https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=39679.0

[winter phoenix]

Looks like I have Mednafen 0.9.48 ... I don't use a GUI version, I just drag and drop CUE files onto Mednafen.exe

[safe trail]

There's a link to the new github project there.
Ohh.. looks like he forked it before the original was deleted

[burnt matrix]

Sounds barbaric!

[winter phoenix]

It is! 😆

[naive whale]

maybe the GUI was fucking it up

[winter phoenix]

maybe.

Fun fact: Opening the patched game in the Sega Saturn Patcher and ripping it as BIN/CUE yields a version that opens up just fine in Bizhawk. (SSF still doesn't like it, though)

[pearl harbor]

Is it normal for the track 1 to be an iso?

I'm trying to open that in a hex editor, and I can't find those locations anywhere in it.

[winter phoenix]

This patch likes it to be an ISO, which is a bit unusual, yeah.

[winter phoenix]

search for this hex string: 611CE207 ... should come up three times, all near each other

change the 07 to 04 for each of them

This is for afterpatching the game. If you haven't patched it yet, the locations will be different than what I said above

[pearl harbor]

Thanks! Found them. Out of curiosity, I assume that this one can't be converted to a chd file due to the iso? Not that I need it in that format. Just curious.

[winter phoenix]

No idea. I never work with that format.

[pearl harbor]

Just tried it, and I can confirm that it does indeed work as a chd file. 🤘

[winter phoenix]

ah, nice

[pearl harbor]

The text with the decreased letter spacing looks much better. Love it!

[winter phoenix]

Yeah it does. The only caveat is that when you have to highlight choices, though, the highlighting box is off because it expects the more spaced out text leading.

[lusty walrus]

Hey guys! I have a Bluetooth 8bitdo m30 when I try to map the buttons, XYZ don’t register for some reason

[soft goblet]

How did you turn it on?

You need to use X-Input I think, so switch it on with X+Start

[lusty walrus]

I did this and it still didn’t work

[soft goblet]

Strange.. I had no issues whatsoever mapping them. Did you also map them on the main menu before trying to map them on the core?

[lusty walrus]

I mapped as many buttons as I could but C and Z aren’t mapped cause they use snes style controllers on the menu

WAIT it works now

Nvm all the buttons are completely messed up

Up on the dpad doesn’t work in core but it works in menu

[burnt matrix]

Delete your controller configs for the core and remap

Or just remap in the core menu

[ocean wasp]

Played princess crown right away. After the 1st dragon fight game hangs and loops.

Using latest nightly core

I suppose it's the early patch but who knows

[bleak escarp]

Mmm this doesn't sound good
https://bskyx.app/profile/pandamonium.bsky.social/post/3l7gx3itxwf2n

[ancient surge]

Okay so the freezing isn't related to the core at least.

[ripe valley]

If the original game is playable on at least 2-3 chapters, that won't be the core.

I've seen the freezes earlier this morning.

[pearl harbor]

Bummer that it turned out like this. Was so exciting last night when this came out. But yeah, it is indeed quite buggy. It seemed fine at first, but it didn't take long for the issues to start piling up. I barely had a chance to try it out last night, because it was so late when I saw it. Once I had a chance to sit down with it more today, I started running into the issues.

[burnt matrix]

At least progress is now being made and available publicly

[ocean wasp]

I suppose so. And the message seems to confirm this

Will try to load my save with a Japanese game tomorrow

[wise brook]

give a man a fan translation, and he’ll be eating good - for a time.
but if a man teaches himself Japanese, he’ll be eating good - for a lifetime.

[burnt matrix]

Not everyone can or has the time to learn multiple languages. I know three and adding a fourth is a bit tough. Fan translations open games up to a much wider audience of people who can enjoy these games.

[naive whale]

This is what always happens

Devs don’t do anything for a decade, someone else does something…and bam…controversy. Nothing in gaming comes without a pissing match

I made a custody note of it in the vid description but otherwise ignored it for tomorrow. I’m so tired of all these manufactured hurt feelings and “woe is Me’s”

(VGE is over this week 🤣)

@burnt matrix come say something positive

[pearl harbor]

Help us Robby! We need your brand of chaos!

[burnt matrix]

It’s a silly complaint from the original devs. They don’t own the game or the IP, they have their code available out in the open, the new guy actually released it to the public.

Ultimately what’s most important are the players, not silly squabbles over things you don’t even own.

Honestly no one should be giving their complainants the time of day. Drama happens because we let the spotlight shine on it.

[naive whale]

Haha can’t wait to see tomorrows comments

But for real this game more so than so many others deserves the chance for people to fully enjoy it so I’m glad some progress has been made

[burnt matrix]

That’s the only thing that matters.

I don’t know who the original dev is and to be frank I didn’t care. But the GitHub name dropped him right at the top. If anything the dude should be thankful he’s being celebrated.

[naive whale]

Exactly. Credit was given on open source code. Thats all that’s needed to continue the project

[gloomy hedge]

im not robby but at least this brings light to the project and hopefully the devs release something since they're now in the light

[burnt matrix]

Also thanks to your video more exposure is going to be made and the traction will just keep getting stronger. Some bugs but it’s there! People will help pull this game over the finish line.

[gloomy hedge]

careful thanking bacon though

next thing you know

bam 20 gifs in this channel

and you have to ban the guy

and they're all 3D0 M2 porn gifs too

wildly inappropriate

[winter phoenix]

we have an update story on the SHIRO! website clarifying the Princess Crown situation with the original translators' comments. I don't know if it would be out of pocket to post a link here, though.

[burnt matrix]

I don’t know the phrase “out of pocket” but you’re always welcome to share links to y’all’s awesome website.

[winter phoenix]

😆 OK thanks Robby

"We would not have chosen to give permission to use our work like this" — The original Princess Crown translators respond to the new patch, saying there was no communication between them and eadmaster. Read their full comments:

https://segasaturnshiro.com/2024/10/26/original-translator-did-not-approve-princess-crown-patch-release/

[hearty marten]

“CyberWarriorX and I are sitting on a version 0.9”

Obviously it’s up to them, but since the genie is out of the bottle, I don’t understand why they wouldn’t release that in the same state.

Well, I do understand it, but if it were me and I felt my work was being misrepresented, I’d probably post a newer version just to clarify any misunderstandings

[pearl harbor]

How do we know you're not actually Robby's alter ego?

[warped saddle]

one day people will learn not to attach GPL to code and then hope people don't do stuff with it based on 'vibes' or whatever

if you wanted people to get your approval to 'release' it, then don't GPL it

[safe trail]

Wait, there was a GPL on the repo ?

[warped saddle]

yes

[safe trail]

OK, yeah - that's on them

[warped saddle]

reading some forum posts I don't think these people really understood that you can't retroactively revoke GPL on published code

[pearl harbor]

Oof. Yeah that'll do it.

[gloomy hedge]

Shit they're onto us @burnt matrix

[naive whale]

Common misconception

They think a license change means “nope nothing is allowed now” and not “no longer allowed past the date of the change”

[celest lake]

but you didn’t say “no takesie backsies” so I’m pretty sure I can

[high bramble]

Simple fix: Release your most up-to-date work to the public.

"Embarrassed that people are looking at it..."
Well, then release something you would be proud to have people look at.

If you don't do it, someone else will... so if something is going to be released, might as well be something you do approve of.

[naive whale]

I’m not changing the vid tomorrow. Left a small note in the description. I’m over all these hurt feelings 🤣

[high bramble]

Like a boss!

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-flip-nautkirby-gif-18417312065139500912

[errant crown]

I understand why they haven’t released it yet, but I would honestly happily play an 0.9 version that still has a few bugs.

Glad I found this out before I tried the translation. It sounds like it’s utterly unplayable.

[winter phoenix]

It's playable ... for a short time

[safe trail]

There are always reasons why you wouldn't want to release a version that's ... untested, or worse, tested and has major issues.
There are always people who will say, "I'd happily play that", and there will always be people who will file bugs or send emails, or request fixes on things they found that are not working on that version. And some people are actually in both groups.

Who would want to receive bug requests and requests about a known-bad version that you didn't even release ?

Hope that doesn't happen

[errant crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-room-tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-leave-your-stupid-comments-in-your-pocket-pocket-gif-21675161

Sorry I just had to reference that

[twin canyon]

the drama over a mediocre looking weeb game is great

https://tenor.com/view/yay-help-fire-failed-wow-gif-16339461

[naive whale]

Everything lately comes with a side order of drama and people’s hurt feelings

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/more-is-better-henry-the-six-more-please-add-more-gif-25128698

[subtle tusk]

I've seen more folks playing Japanese games by holding their phone up to the screen and letting it auto-translate. Even a buggy translation is better than that.

[mortal mist]

Random game crashes with this patch, takes away my desire to play 🙂

[subtle tusk]

Fair. The crashing is a problem.

[burnt matrix]

I’ve done that too but man it’s such a pain for me lol

[pearl harbor]

Live footage of Robby playing Princess Crown.

[burnt matrix]

i hate that I want that

[subtle tusk]

I'm surprised there isn't an emulator or a plugin that runs your game through Google translate.

[burnt matrix]

I think retroarch has that option but I’ve never toyed with it.

[subtle tusk]

Yeah if anyone is doing it, it would be retroarch

[naive whale]

There is but it’s a massive process

You can feed screens from RetroArch through some translation service you need a membership for. It’s a multi step process and I believe you need to pay that service money (not RetroArch)

With AI I feel like we are only a few years off from “fully machine translated” anything gaming wise. Might not be perfect but it’ll be playable

Here’s the full rundown

https://wiki.recalbox.com/en/basic-usage/features/retroarch-ai-ingame-translation#:~:text=To activate the translation%2C nothing,image with the replacement text.

Or one of them. That’s the one I tried some time ago. It was fine but it felt intrusive

[winter phoenix]

SHIRO! interviewed eadmaster to ask about what he has done with his version of the Princess Crown translation patch so far, his plans for future updates and his response to concerns raised by the original translation patch team. Find out what he had to say:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2024/10/27/eadmaster-responds-to-princess-crown-patch-concerns-raised-by-the-original-team/

[naive whale]

I’ve never seen a more “absolutely no controversy…controversy” 🤣

It’s GPL. Who gives a shit. Can’t wait for the comments at 4 😉

[acoustic sable]

Eh. I can see the original team being peeved; if the releasers had mentioned it to them they could have pointed out they had newer stuff and that the code in the github is busted.

[naive whale]

Tortoise and the hare

OG devs chose the tortoise route it seems

[acoustic sable]

Yeah, having 0.3 in the github and 0.9 at home...

C'mon, commit yo shit

[errant crown]

Hopefully, this is the cattle prod to either finish the project, or at least release it as it is.

[pearl harbor]

The way I see it, is as long as we get a fully working translation that can be played from start to finish, we're all winners. I say let them race each other to the finish if they're not willing to work together.

[naive whale]

I feel bad for the EAD dude. He used GPL code and credited the original makers for their contributions. And now the OG devs treat him like he stole something and want to drag him in public

Twitter sentiment seems to be “meh take ten years that’s what you get”

[warped saddle]

I guess they originally put up the code when they were asking for help or something. and then when they no longer wanted that they just deleted the repo but...surprise GPL

[subtle tusk]

I think the scene has matured a lot since 2014. If they had kept their code updated on GitHub the project would probably be done by now.

[safe trail]

Yes and no. I don't think "the scene" was ever going to contribute a bit of effort - and even if it had, it would probably have been rejected.

In many ways, I'd say that the scene (at large, at least) has become far less mature.

[naive whale]

And it’s not like the maturity bar started very high either sadly

[safe trail]

True, back in the late 90s, it was about 5 leechers for every dev. Now, it's thousands. And there are many vocal ones who are not just rude and entitled, but also unstable.

IT's true that there are probably 5 times more developers since back then, but...

That's not a very good ratio

[naive whale]

Oh def some unstable people out there. The emailed threats can be on things as simple as me saying a game is good that someone else dislikes

[pearl harbor]

How dare you like the Saturn version of Castlevania SotN! How dare you! Everyone knows it's the worst version! No fun allowed! Play the PS1 version or else!

[naive whale]

lol literally one vid that did get someone to email me and tell me I should “neck myself”

So edgy 🤣

[pearl harbor]

Did they try to cut you with that edge?

[safe trail]

Not sure if that's a positive meaning or a negative one

It seems pretty necking weird

[hearty marten]

Oh man, that’s such a classic

Retro threats

[drifting crown]

I assume that means something different over in trumpville rather than snogging yourself?

[naive whale]

I had to google it. Guess it means “hg yourself” lol. Just a generic “kl yourself” email

[drifting crown]

I like to think he was just saying you should go French yourself. With tongues and everything.

[naive whale]

🤣 people are weird

[naive whale]

lol so far everyone is just stoked for Princess Crown. As they should be!

[burnt matrix]

more like GPL Crown

[celest lake]

Watching Bacon’s video makes me want to play this game

wait the battles are a fighting game?

tf

[burnt matrix]

I wish someone would make rom hacks of Sonic World and make levels for it.

[celest lake]

make a level that is just sonic running over the complete text of the GPL license

[celest lake]

we have strayed too far from the light

[burnt matrix]

LMAO

[visual grove]

He wants to see renders of two awbacons making out

[visual grove]

This was always hell

[naive whale]

Photo of the fucking year. Award given. Take your victory lap

[upper dust]

Odin Sphere is worth a try to see if you would like Princess Crown

[celest lake]

Ok, I will check that one out

I remember seeing it on shelves at gamestop

[naive whale]

He strikes again 🤣

[celest lake]

sometimes i think maybe the internet was a mistake

and it was better when these folks had to corner people in bookstores to have human interaction

[naive whale]

Oh you know they’d never talk to people in real life

[celest lake]

That’s fair. And I was too harsh. Nothing wrong with bookstore enjoyers.

[burnt matrix]

The only major issue is social media engagement has made people feel like their opinions are important. They aren’t and most people don’t need to share them.

I also find the irony of me sharing my opinion about people sharing opinions funny.

[naive whale]

I do enjoy hearing your opinions on propane and propane accessories

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/sickburn-burn-gif-14522658

[naive whale]

The fun part is I could have blocked him from the channel a year ago. But I can’t wait to see what he says next

[pearl harbor]

So kind of like me!

[naive whale]

Your cheese is hilarious

[burnt matrix]

Thank you

[errant crown]

I remember when I recognized you on YouTube and saw you go by Metroid instead.

[burnt matrix]

👁️👄👁️

[pearl harbor]

I usually go by MARl0 online and METR0lD as my user name on game consoles like PSN.

But sometimes I switch it up like on Youtube.

[pearl harbor]

That brief moment in history when this was your user name here was the greatest few minutes on the MiSTer Discord! One of those "I was here!" moments if you will.

[quick sorrel]

If you waited 10 years for a translation, you could have learned enough of the language to play it. 😜

[severe whale]

Omg the drama

Good job by eadmaster. At least he awakened the original translators

HARSCH WAKEUP

[forest rivet]

Yeah, what is the Tl;dr on this exactly?

[burnt matrix]

Dude works on a Princess Crown translation for 10 years, doesn’t update it but code is available out in the open

New guy comes in, compiles the translation, credits the original author for doing all the work, and releases it in its buggy state intending to fix and continue the work

Original dev gets mad he did that because he wasn’t contacted at all about it, even though code was licensed to be worked on by others and out in the open

[lofty spire]

does the translation actually cause the game to crash or is that just hearsay

[burnt matrix]

it does

[lofty spire]

damn

[burnt matrix]

It’ll get sorted

[forest rivet]

Compiles or completes the translation?

[burnt matrix]

Just crashes at points

[lofty spire]

well i've waited for years for a translation, waiting a little bit longer for a translation that doesn't crash won't be too bad

[visual grove]

Yeah I guess letting him know first might have been nice but otherwise it’s gpl so even if he said don’t do it oh well

[burnt matrix]

Yeah basically, and I hope that’s given a kick in the butt to the original dev

I get his frustrations but you’re doing it for the people, also the new guy fully credited him front and center

[forest rivet]

I guess Im just confused what the second translator has done? just packaged up the already available work and just released it as them saying 'thanks to OG translator'?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah basically, and he’s continuing to work on it

[forest rivet]

That.. seems a bit weird? 😄

[burnt matrix]

Basically saw a completely stagnant project that’s been abandoned for over a decade, instead of starting from scratch he chose that

Honestly that’s smart

[lofty spire]

probably has to retranslate some lines so that it'll fit text limitations? i think? i couldn't think of another reason to get another translator

[forest rivet]

Sure I get that bit. But it sounds like they have not added anything new to the work? (Unless Im missing something) and just released it

[burnt matrix]

Yeah released it as a proof of concept and is continuing to work on it.

He’s done some stuff to it

[willow siren]

I've also seen some comparisons of the comit on the new fork that have changed the dialogue for the worse in some very odd changes. Hard to be excited at the minute... Hopefully it works out, and tooling work will get something good I'm the end

[forest rivet]

Yeah that seems .. I dont wana say dodgy. But reminds me of the 30-40versions of Yuzu that sprung up after it got taken down 😄

[burnt matrix]

Regardless new guy did something and released it

He’s a hero

[forest rivet]

I mean if they expanded on the work and added a noteworthy amount of their own stuff to it? then.. sure. Cool, that makes sense (if it was all gpl licenced etc) awsome work translator-person

But if you just take someone elses work, tahts already out there, slap your name on it, release it as is... even if yous ay 'hey this was mostly the work of this other team' thats... kinda fucked

[burnt matrix]

No it isn’t

[forest rivet]

... like am I missing something??

[burnt matrix]

Also this isn’t their work, this is a game that’s owned by a company

[visual grove]

I think 10 years is long enough to wait for someone to update a project before forking it 😅

[burnt matrix]

Yeah basically

Dude did everything right

[forest rivet]

Sure, but is it a fork if you release a 1:1 copy ? thats not a fork.

[burnt matrix]

who said it was a 1:1 copy

[visual grove]

He said he tweaked it in that interview

There are already changes and more coming

[burnt matrix]

none of this is bad, it’s all good

[forest rivet]

I asked several times if they had made any changes or just packaged up the work that was already done...

[visual grove]

And he said he’d drop it if there’s a more complete / better version

[burnt matrix]

I’m sorry you didn’t research it on your own

[lofty spire]

in any case, i'll be keeping track of this story with interest

[burnt matrix]

https://github.com/eadmaster/pcrown/

That’s the GitHub

[visual grove]

Aka original team releases their updates

[burnt matrix]

He’s worked and added on it

And will continue to work on it

I think trying to view this as negative is bad

[visual grove]

I mean hopefully it doesn’t discourage the original team from releasing future stuff open source but really other than not bothering to send a note on a very dead looking project nothing seems amiss

[lofty spire]

i'm hoping it lights a fire under the OG team's ass and they release updates

get a translation cold war going on

[burnt matrix]

Also I think being frustrated that someone continued your derivative work (that you abandoned for a decade and was fully licensed to be forked) for translating a game you don’t own the IP for or the text is absolutely ridiculous.

But I understand his frustration and sympathize.

I probably would be too at first lol, I just wouldn’t say it publicly

[forest rivet]

god trying to search for this is just seo click-bait poison garbage, I hate the internet.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it’s shit, sorry dude. News sites have jumped on this.

[forest rivet]

'Pricess Crown Now in EnGlIsH?!??!?!', you would think that the new patch is 100% feature complete, full english translation etc. when.. I mean obviously that cant be the case

[burnt matrix]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2024/10/26/original-translator-did-not-approve-princess-crown-patch-release/

That’s a good summary

[forest rivet]

ah well, I mean a game getting a translation is always nice. lets hope it goes somewhere

[lofty spire]

"original translator" makes one think that Princess Crown was getting an actual, purchasable english release rather than what it actually is which is a fan project

[burnt matrix]

I think the original dev did an awesome job. Like I mean no offense in this, genuinely, but I would’ve never know who the original dev was if the new guy didn’t put his name front and center in his GitHub repo.

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/mcjuggernuggets-chillout-gif-13306028

[burnt matrix]

You’re right

[twin canyon]

of course i am

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-falling-asleep-at-work-gif-18064537

I am chill now

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/stonedapez-stonedapezsaturnclub-nft-bored-ape-gif-24250281

[forest rivet]

It still seems kinda weird and sus to me tbh. But if this new person releases updates etc then.. cool I guess

But Im a jaded sob

[twin canyon]

mediocre weeb game

[burnt matrix]

It’s good to be jaded, you might be right. I am a bit of an optimist.

[forest rivet]

I've never even heard of it tbh... but my lack of knowlage about the title dont really mean anything 😄

[lofty spire]

you have to have interacted and enjoyed a specific subset of video games to be even remotely aware of Princess Crown so that's fair lol

[forest rivet]

Am getting like a Oden Sphere vibe from the yt videos though

[sterile parcel]

That's because it was made by the same dev

[forest rivet]

Really, well, that explains that then dont it

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t like Odin Sphere lol, but it’s been so long since I played it

Honestly I only care about the game because all the Saturn fans do

[sterile parcel]

It's typical Vanillaware, just slightly less horny than usual

[forest rivet]

you say that like its a bad thing... 😄

I swear I feel some of those games have some sort of weird sensor in them, they are perfectly normal games, fun stories etc.. till someone walks in the room and them BAM! half-dressed 12 year old whos '18, honest wink-wink' shots of underwear etc..

[sterile parcel]

You don't get anything like the sorceress eating pancakes in Princess Crown

[thorn pagoda]

odin sphere is so pretty, i really want to like it

[burnt matrix]

Yeah the art is amazing

[forest rivet]

Ah it was Valkyrie Profile games I played, but still real similar vibes

[burnt matrix]

I never played those, they good?

[humble epoch]

Yeah, the original devs have said they were at .9 so they are upset that basically their .2 was pushed with their names on it. They didn’t expect it to happen since they had made the GitHub private so long ago. That of course doesn’t change the fact it was forked before that when it was released as GPL

[sterile parcel]

The original Valkyrie Profile on PS1 is legit my fav game of all time. So good

[humble epoch]

I don’t think anyone did anything wrong. People are just having feelings

[alpine pagoda]

Asking the original dev in this case would have been a double edged sword too. It sounds like he would have said no, but the license allows for it anyway… so this would still have got awkward fast.

[humble epoch]

And in the internet that gets nasty quick

[forest rivet]

I mostly played the second one, they are alreight but I think if you arnt a fan of Oden sphere its not going to do anything vastly different that would make you love it?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, which sucks because a little empathy goes a long way.

[humble epoch]

Yep

[burnt matrix]

I’m trying to be better about that myself

[sterile parcel]

Totally unique take on the JRPG formula and incredible sprite work, arcade style battles, etc

[forest rivet]

Certinally worth a punt though. And you can run the second game at like.. 4k with enough modifications in an emulator if you feel so inclined

[sterile parcel]

The 2nd game is gorgeous and borderline Souls-level difficult but the story sux

It's hard to get it running correctly on anything that's not original PS2 hardware

[forest rivet]

And I can finally say I have played, and finished SotN. at least the main campaign. that is a.. a pretty solid game

Loading times were a bit annoying for sure, But enjoyable for sure (I think I was a bit over-leveled maybe for the last last boss cause he just.. folded like paper)

[humble epoch]

Yeah, I finished it for the first time this year and that was my takeaway as well. Solid 8.5-9. I think overall I prefer Rondo of Blood and Aria of Sorrow but it was fun.

[forest rivet]

I dont think I've played Rondo of Blood, Ahh and AoS was real good. Used to have (many years ago now) very long bus rides back from school on a bus that would have.. 2 people on it maybe? so i played a lot of that

Such a great game

[humble epoch]

Yeah I was living in England at the time and had 2 hours of train rides each day so I was playing a ton of GBA

[forest rivet]

But yeah, you can where a lot of the stuff from the later games came from in SotN, Im not sure if the Saturn verion is 'better' than the PSX version from my brief testing on Mister vs the real hardware. Its suppsoed to have extra stuff (You can choose between three campaigns) but my understanding is thats just unlockable on the PSX version

(And even that might be a side-effect from the translation patch I used)

[lofty spire]

i liked Odin Sphere Leifthrasir which was the PS3/Vita/PS4 remaster that changes how the OG PS2 game works but also includes the OG game

[kindred peak]

Playing as Maria is exclusive to the Saturn.

[hallow fossil]

Maybe this will force the hand of these guys to do incremental releases of their translation patch, instead of keeping it hidden away for a decade. That doesn't seem a great way to operate...

[thorn pagoda]

what did they change?

[pearl harbor]

It's interesting that the PSP/PS4 version also has a playable Maria, but it's a completely different take on her. So the Saturn version's take on it is still unique, despite not being the only version with her as playable!

[lofty spire]

there's a new skill tree system and they changed how attacking worked. originally, you had something like a stamina bar that would go down if you attacked but in Leifthrasir it's a mana bar that only depletes when using special moves

[thorn pagoda]

oh so significantly less stressful

[lofty spire]

also, as gorgeous as the OG PS2 game was, the PS3/Vita/PS4 version has full resolution backgrounds, they had to cut the resolution of the backgrounds in the OG game a bit

but if you want to play the original game and how it worked, that's an option

[thorn pagoda]

nice i'll check it out, hadn't heard of it. seems ideal for vita

[pearl harbor]

I've only played the PS2 version of Odin Sphere, and I absolutely loved it back then. That said, it was drowning in slowdown. The PS2 really struggles to push that game's visuals.

[lofty spire]

slowdown basically is non-existent in the PS4 version at least (that's the version i played)

[forest rivet]

Oh is that the deal, intresting

[pearl harbor]

There are also a couple new areas added to the castle. That said, the Saturn version has a lot of issues, so it's a matter of how much that new stuff matters to you in the end.

The latest fan-patched version does fix some of the issues though, but some really can't be fixed.

[forest rivet]

Yeah tahts what I was running the 'ulimate 4mb' patch, it certainly improves things

[lofty spire]

i'm guessing the things that the 4mb patch can't fix for Saturn SotN would require a full blown remake in another engine or something?

[pearl harbor]

The biggest issue is the uneven pixel scaling, and the team behind the patch have already said that it's basically unfixable with a patch. So yeah, a full blown remake from the ground up on Saturn would probably be the only way around it.

[severe whale]

STOP IT WITH THE DRAMA

[burnt matrix]

MAKE ME

[severe whale]

:3

[burnt matrix]

I mean ok

[severe whale]

release the shit already

[burnt matrix]

You’re right

[severe whale]

dont let us hanging on the door for 10 FREAKIN YAERS

[burnt matrix]

lol

[severe whale]

LOL

anyway. I mean if there is one good thing that can come out of this then its that translators can direct there energy on other games that Urgently needs a translation

like that adventure game with a green dragon

I always keep forgetting the name of it

but dang is it a good looking game

[burnt matrix]

oh yeah

[pearl harbor]

Imma drama you!

[severe whale]

:/()

[analog totem]

I see that the original team that was working on the translation is saying that they have a more up-to-date version that's not out there...but, did he say anything about their plans for it or whether they are still actively working on it or anything?

[severe whale]

they dont want to reveal anything

so either they will release it or they will keep it to themselves

if they release it then its obvious that they are doing it because of the pressure from the other guy

my bet is that they wont release it

[analog totem]

Sure, I guess it just seems like popping in occassionally to say "hey, we're still working on it!" isn'

t revealing anything

unless they have done that, idk

[warped saddle]

getting some big 'calling dibs on this core' vibes here

[errant crown]

They plan to release a video comparing the publicly released translation to what their translation is like now. Hopefully, there will be pressure for them to release it.

[analog totem]

oh nice, that's cool

[subtle tusk]

After learning about it like a week ago I now believe Cyber Doll is the Saturn game most in need of a translation patch.

[naive whale]

lol the shred of sympathy the original devs may have had just got torched

[sterile parcel]

Follow the money, as the usual story goes...

[severe whale]

Eh how does that work?

I mean what does polymega got to do with a fan patched Saturn game?

[severe whale]

TROUBLE IN PARADISE

[ancient surge]

I just want to play the funny princess game...

[naive whale]

Things? Lol

[errant crown]

For me, it’s Wachenröder

[kindred peak]

Guy Fawkes avatar... edgy screen name... what's not to trust?

[subtle tusk]

You think someone would just tell lies on the Internet?

[celest lake]

I bet he walks around like morpheus with his hands crossed behind his back

[errant crown]

OK if that does turn out to be true, that’s diabolical

OK uh never mind. Looked at his channel and it’s… extremely sus. Lots of blatant antisemitic shit. Since he’s the only source, I’m gonna wait until I see more people reporting about this.

[subtle tusk]

I could imagine "release your translation when we say to get more interest in selling Polymegas" being a thing but it seems a bit far-fetched. Is this game really that hotly anticipated?

[errant crown]

Yeah, at least to a certain niche crowd who knows it was the first game the Vanillaware team ever made

Before they formed Vanillaware

[subtle tusk]

Then again you can buy a Saturn-playing Polymega right now so what's the holdup?

What do Polymega gain by buying out the code to an unreleased fan translation?

[celest lake]

If it’s true, it’s because they see value in an exclusive translation. Not sure what the crossover between obscure vanillaware enthusiasts and poly mega fans is, but they probably do?

[warped saddle]

I think that video might be, how do you say, bullshit

[errant crown]

Yeah

Again, judging from his channel… if he’s the only one reporting on it, I don’t believe it

A lot of random no-name YouTubers come out of the woodwork and try to stir controversy by making shit up

[warped saddle]

dude goes 'oh, SamIAm was DMing all the admins on that server saying the other guy licensed the code to someone' and there's.....no evidence presented of that

[celest lake]

sorry boys, already witchhuntin’

I have to admit, when you said antisemitism, my brain was like “well with the situation in gaza, that word does get thrown around a lot. lets just take a look at their channe-OH JESUS”

[errant crown]

Yeah, he accuses people of advancing “Jewish supremacy.” I’m not exaggerating.

[hallow fossil]

The layers of drama surrounding some half-done fan-translation of a Saturn game I have never even heard of is just bizarre. Truly bizarre.

[errant crown]

I’m actually impressed enough people care about it to make it a big thing

I thought the audience for Princess Crown was far smaller than it actually is

[bleak escarp]

Yeah talking about the tweet above? Yeah went to their Twitter for further context and bounced off

[naive whale]

Oh boysie

[bleak escarp]

I have always cared about princess crown the only thing I may want more is Sega-Ga-Ga

[errant crown]

YES

Can’t wait for that game to finally get a full translation

It seems like the perfect sendoff to the Sega making consoles era

[celest lake]

no…no you are not.

I think bacon said the same thing a few days ago, but we can’t be that far from AI just doing this for us? We only will have evaporate a few lakes, but then we can play all games in english

[warped saddle]

it's not just translating the text

yes, an "AI" can do that, and you'll probably even think it is a good translation and other people will be tearing their hair out at how bad it is

but you have to hack the game code

[errant crown]

I’m very skeptical of AI in general

[warped saddle]

because text needs to be formatted differently

[errant crown]

AI translations will always miss that “human touch”

[ancient surge]

Artificial intelligence can't replace people for the simple fact that it can never understand context.

Like it can learn the words, but not how they're being used. This is why machine translations have a habit of being stilted and incorrect.

[errant crown]

That flavor that gives it personality

[hallow fossil]

Translating is the easy part, swapping out all the assets etc. without breaking everything is not

[errant crown]

Like, there are many fan translations out there that are really dry, literal translations, and many people aren’t fans of those.

Truly celebrated translations are ones that take the spirit of the original text and recapture that in the other language.

…and then there’s stuff like Working Designs, and idc what people say, I’m a Working Designs defender lol

[inner kayak]

has it been several weeks since the last Saturnday batch of fixes? or did I miss something

[ancient surge]

Nah, it's been quiet. Srg must be busy behind the scenes.

[errant crown]

The next release must be something big

Excited

[inner kayak]

cool. the last update was an awesome one, seeing all those test suite timings pass

[warped saddle]

it's either a big saturn update or he will just randomly release some new core

[errant crown]

Fingers crossed for 480i

[sudden tusk]

Sounds like this dude needs to join the MARS team asap !

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn core... 2!

[pearl harbor]

The fudge did I miss?

[celest lake]

I guess I need to learn Japanese like all Real Gamers™

[high bramble]

DrChocoboboboNo is still doing that shit?
Fuck that twatwaffle...

[naive whale]

Haha always

[high bramble]

I got him banned off Jotego's Discord server a few years ago. That was beautiful. 🤣

[celest lake]

Oooo, a known asshat? Tell me more

[high bramble]

Useless troll.

[naive whale]

I’ll never ban him. He’s too amusing

So long as nobody says anything about anybody’s race / orientation I let people act like morons so I can laugh at them

[high bramble]

Fair enough. 😉

[visual grove]

You’re the most tate caucasian that’s ever tubed!

[naive whale]

Upright white guy? 🤣

[quick sorrel]

Nah~ with that chill jazz radio voice you’re clearly a yoko-Caucasian

Damnit, I read that as uptight white guy 🤦‍♂️

[naive whale]

Haha nailed it

[quick sorrel]

It’s either dyslexia or I need glasses or a combination of the two 🤷‍♂️

[burnt matrix]

Wait he’s a real person? I thought he was someone’s alt account lol.

[subtle tusk]

None of us are real people. We're just text that appears on your phone, Robby.

[burnt matrix]

That would explain so much

[subtle tusk]

I guess somebody else might be real in here but I'm definitely not real

[burnt matrix]

Hey I’m posting on behalf of @faint timber.

he’s not able to get the second disc of the Policenauts translation to work. How do you properly setup multi disc games on the Saturn core?

I thought it was just put both disc’s files in the same folder but it’s not working for him.

[warped saddle]

one thing that is semi-important to remember is the saturn core doesn't do the whole 'same directory, no reset' thing. SRG did some mental shit where he parses the filename and tries to determine if it is the same game and Does Stuff based on that

it should honestly probably be changed but sorg was just kinda like 'open an issue on saturn core' and it was in the middle of pretty heavy dev work so I didn't bother since all that would have done is mess up srg's workflow mid dev

[pearl harbor]

Sounds like something someone would say who actually owned the alt account!

[lavish wadi]

Please… for the love of Sega fans… we need a Segagaga translation!!!

I keep a PSTV for all the Vanillaware games 😂

[errant crown]

Interesting, because I started up Mr. Bones and needed to swap discs, and I just selected Disc 2 and reset the core, and it worked.

[drowsy hull]

Saroo at least has keywords for that for the folder names XD

[warped saddle]

that's what mister is doing, just with the file name. it tries to detect stuff like 'Disc 1' etc and keep the same save and some other things. probably worth looking at again when stuff settles down a bit

[drowsy hull]

IC, so essentially the same as saroo.
But yes, should be a change with foreseeable complexity after all is done and running.

[ripe valley]

Open the OSD, select the second disc, RESET the core.
The game will detect the disc/you can select 'continue' on the main menu.

[thorn pagoda]

thats weird , wasnt it srg who figured out the whole folder-per-game thing for the megaCD core bakc in the day

[random shard]

YES PLEASE!

[burnt matrix]

“Cyber Doll” ?

[random shard]

and also Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari

[burnt matrix]

[random shard]

but mostly Cyber Doll

I swear I will abandon every playthrough of every game I'm playing right now if someone translates Cyber Doll

[burnt matrix]

[random shard]

I've been following this guy's blog for so long I feel like I know him already, even though I don't https://www.nanakaze.com/

I hope he can release it some day

[random shard]

could you please link me to that tweet?

[random shard]

an interesting one for sure, the early patch we got is enough to appreciate how good it is

[drowsy hull]

Look at robby's dirty mind going wild 😔

[burnt matrix]

[celest lake]

Robby enjoys French Cinema classics like La Blue Girl

[severe whale]

THIS. Only THIS

but why the heck translate it to a language that far fewer understands 😦

[subtle tusk]

Cyber Doll sounds lewd until you learn it's about a cyberpunk future ravaged by "muscle loosening syndrome"

[humble epoch]

Still sounds lewd after learning that. Imagine how freaky you can get with all those loose muscles.

[kind quarry]

i’m pretty sure Cyber Doll specifically references AIDs in the storyline as a comparison to the new virus

it’s a very complicated game. very cyberpunk.

[celest lake]

time to load up duolingo

[paper tiger]

Real Doll?

[visual grove]

I put on my robe and wizard hat

[high bramble]

I check for booby traps.

[random shard]

If you mean the spanish translation, the language is spoken by 596 million around the world.

That being said, I brought it up because having a translation ready on any language can make it much easier to translate into english, as all the hacking tools and docs by the original translator will practically have most of the work done for an english translator, except of course for the script in english

The guy has spent over 17 years translating it, on and off

Surely his skills will help the next guy

[severe whale]

yeah but compare that with how many speak english

[random shard]

Im not saying you're wrong but one translation can lead to another

I think I saw some forum posts over at romhacking.net where there were people with the intent to translate it into english, and even exchanged info with this spanish translator. Sadly nothing came of it and those guys were never heard from again

I hear its not a good idea to begin to learn hacking with saturngames

I just thought of another saturn game needing a translation real bad, Tengai Makyou IV

[inner kayak]

there is already plenty of English translation projects, with many more people who formally learned English and can afford to send their time. If someone wakes up with the passion and know-how to do a translation, it doesn’t matter what language it’s to. They’re still helping with preservation and extending the audience for legacy games globally.

If anything, I’d say they deserve even more respect and support since they may not have ready-made tooling available in OSS, and they have to deal with comments like “why not just translate into a language you never learned?”, which implies their passion is less worthwhile unless it serves someone besides them and their local community.

[paper tiger]

i like the pointing the phone translator app at the screen thing. ;p

[random shard]

I agree.

One of my biggest gripes with the spanish translation scene is that 99% of the patches being made are derivative work, or games that already had an english version. very few new translation projects are made directly from japanese, usually almost all made by mr nobody, so whenever I see someone like the blogger above, I applaud and celebrate their efforts.

Mizzurna falls, for example, I think it was translated first into spanish before it was translated into english, thanks to Mr nobody.

[sudden tusk]

Glad I’m fluent in Spanish!

[random shard]

Spain?

[sudden tusk]

Nahhhh , Latin American Spanish but I mean I should be fine

[burnt matrix]

The wacky mid life crisis Dino man game is in Spanish?

[high bramble]

Si

[burnt matrix]

That’s cool, I should check it out

[tiny flare]

I wish I was fluent in Spanish, then I might understand what El Viento means

[scarlet goblet]

It means the wind.

[quick sorrel]

Close. It means, the viento.

[tiny flare]

Thanks, very helpful

[polar mountain]

"Ay! Ay! Ay! Tradujo el juego a un idioma que no hablo!"

[mortal mist]

Big update

Now we have a reason to use dualsdram

[mortal mist]

Amazing improvements

[marble laurel]

Still with one SDRAM 😅

[tawny forge]

Whoa, original timings achieved with dual sdram? Gotta get my dualram setup now!

What do I lose if I take the 9.2 AV board mezzanine off and install another ram module?

[acoustic sable]

Everything that plugs into the mezzanine 😄

[tawny forge]

It’s just an IC IIRC? Not sure what is that for though

[ripe valley]

Like we said, he cooked.

[hearty marten]

Dual SDRAM lives again

[ripe valley]

And with the Jaguar core. Second reason. 😏

[hearty marten]

This might actually be significant enough for me to upgrade to the new IO board - cos then I can get a second SDRAM too

(Stuck on old analogue IO board despite the fact I don’t have a CRT. Got it “just in case”, but didn’t see the point in upgrading until I got a CRT)

[tawny forge]

Will make my Taki setup dual sdram

[hearty marten]

But first I’ll wait to see if the DoA slowdown is completely gone on dual SDRAM and how that compares to single

[tawny forge]

Looking forward to your test results

[hearty marten]

Oh, I don’t have dual - but I’m sure some kind soul will tell us how it is. I can at least test single

[ripe valley]

We're on it.

[hearty marten]

No pressure

[rich violet]

I have dual, but I'm not familiar with the games that had problems

[hearty marten]

DoA, Fighters MegaMix are the main two I think

From memory, when Robert was doing the N64 core, I think he was planning on tackling timing issues towards the end. Looking at the commit messages here, lots of them relate to timing. I wonder if that means that srg feels that the core is nearing its completion now, and fixing timing is necessary to get the last few niggles out of the system

[ancient surge]

DUAL RAM NATION RISES AGAIN

[ripe valley]

With the DUAL RAM build.

Fighters Megamix and Fighting Vipers seem fine in-game now.
I DON'T have time to test the intro on Fighting Vipers.

Dead or Alive is mostly fine, but some slowdown spikes appear in-game with some actions + changes on backgrounds (like with the Hayabusa's stage).

Miniskirt Police and Super Tempo are fine too.

I don't have the EN version of Magic Knight Rayearth at the moment on my system.

[ancient surge]

Still needs the 480i fix...

[ripe valley]

Each time someone asks, it's delayed by a month. 😛

[wise brook]

going dual-ram means no analog needed

[tawny forge]

Dual or single?

[ripe valley]

Dual

Sorry, forgot to add it, will correct my previous statement.

[tawny forge]

Wondering if dual has significant and perceivable improvements

If compared with single

[wise brook]

it’s there in the commit description

[ripe valley]

I'm updating the S32x core right now,. Can't be done simply.

[tawny forge]

Dual has slowdowns still so a commit message is not enough

We need real comparison tests

[ripe valley]

SH7604 have a pretty important update.

[green swift]

Literally tore mine down last week. 🤦‍♂️

I'm sure his magic will work down to single RAM

[wise brook]

[hearty marten]

It’s happened before 🙂

Might be easier to get it working in dual first, then figure out how to trickle down to single

[burnt matrix]

[ripe valley]

When you've seen some titles on the CD-i, you won't feel a thing anymore with that title on Saturn.

[hearty marten]

Will test my beloved Time Gal later tonight 😅

[thorn pagoda]

@kind stump didn't you help out with 480i on the PSX core? any chance you could work some magic on saturn too ?

also happy saturnsday everyone

[burnt matrix]

[serene thunder]

Simian Sunday tomorrow
pass it along

[willow pawn]

I'm trying to implement interlace

Will update if I manage

[ripe valley]

I have some troubles with the updated S32X.
Will need some more time for getting it to work on my compile environment.

[blazing lance]

This new version hits hard

[mossy crystal]

In the US, is Magic Knight Rayearth more known as a Sega Saturn game rather than a cartoon or a comic like in other countries?

[ancient surge]

Magic Knight Rayearth never caught on in the United States. It was officially licensed, but it quietly came and went without much fanfare.

[ripe valley]

Magic Knight Rayearth seem to be in-sync with the audio.
The video seem to drop some frames during the intro, but I know much more the original JP version.

[rich violet]

Any improvement on https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/210 ? I could never reproduce that

[ripe valley]

So, like with Dead or Alive, it needs some comparison with an OG system.

[ripe valley]

We need someone with the issue to restest with the new version.
I've never reproduced the issue with mine.

[burnt matrix]

Not surprising considering the game looks like a bunch of fat babies with medieval weapons

⚔️

[ripe valley]

The art of SD characters during the 90s.
Now, we have Funko Pop.

[wise brook]

gonna fire up the new single core now

[ancient surge]

I personally think the tragic part about Magic Knight Rayearth is that it barely missed the "anime boom" of the 2000's, thanks to Toonami helping make anime mainstream in the United States.

[ripe valley]

I'm testing quite rapidly as I will leave for the rest of the week later (and take some time off).

[burnt matrix]

Yeah true, like a year later dragon ball gt sold like hotcakes lol

[willow pawn]

Anyone can gimme a game with an interlaced video?

Intro at least

So I can check

I'm testing vf2

[ancient surge]

Any of the SEGA fighting games like Virtua Fighter and Fighting Vipers should work.

Some games like Panzer Dragoon and Sonic Jam also use interlacing on the title screen.

[wise brook]

no change on grandia

[ripe valley]

Okay.

I will try to leave also a message to some issues that should be closed since months.
If srg320 could interfere in that.

[wise brook]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/136

i couldn’t get this to freeze fwiw

[ripe valley]

Ok, I've updated the issue log.
Thanks for the test.

[thorn pagoda]

interesting to see dual-ram making a comeback

[ripe valley]

I've left some notes on the current issues and some that should be closed.
Going back to work (and waiting for the new compile of the Salamander/Jaguar/~~S32x ~~cores).

[thorn pagoda]

someones working on jaguar again?

[ripe valley]

Yes.

[ancient surge]

Oh my god, the Jaguar will live again??

[ripe valley]

So far on the Saturn/32x side.
The SH2 code can't be compiled with the S32x core, so I'm leaving it at the moment.
SFZ 3 NO change with the intro.
SCSP is correct (so no regression on that matter).

[celest lake]

If there is still dual ram stuff to test later today, I can do that. I have to do actual work this morning :/

[ripe valley]

Just "Pyon Pyon" to test.

But I need to leave and will not have time to test it.

[ancient surge]

I'm busy right now so I can't test the new builds myself either.

[willow pawn]

I got interlacing working

The core seems absolutly stuffed, but I will still PR my changes

There's probably a better way to do this, but this works

[thorn pagoda]

incredible!

[ripe valley]

Shall be interesting also with the dual RAM version when a PR could be done.

[willow pawn]

Its up on Github so if you want you can build it

[ripe valley]

Nice.

[sudden tusk]

Chale!

Holy shit fighters mega mix intro freeze fixed!

That’s another thing that current emulators can’t do.

[burnt matrix]

is this deinterlacing?

as an option?

[willow pawn]

When connected to a CRT, and the core displays interlaced, it will show correctly

[thorn pagoda]

no its just working interlacing output for crts/scalers

[ancient surge]

Interlacing was broken, so this new build fixes that.

[thorn pagoda]

i say "just" but its exactly what we needed

[ripe valley]

I've upated the issue log for the 480i analog PR.

[willow pawn]

If someone has a 31KHz monitor they can check if this does anything there (Dunno)

[burnt matrix]

i pinnned it

thank you

[thorn pagoda]

i think the scandoubler freaks out when its presented 480i

[willow pawn]

It was not 480i

Now its 480i

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-dwight-the-office-cry-thanks-gif-16354269

[thorn pagoda]

i can't remember because the only 480i cores i regularly use don't support the scandoubler anyway

[sudden tusk]

It’s what @burnt matrix shoulda said

Well looks like I’ll be testing out the 480i with decathlete

[ripe valley]

I will need somebody to test Shinrei Jusatsushi Tarōmaru at a later time.
There is a boss battle on a boat (at around 15 mins of gameplay) and you should dock just after that.
On previous versions in early 2024, the game crashed there.

But I can't crash it anymore since at least 4 months.
I should need a second test from someone else, for requesting to close the issue to srg320

[radiant karma]

Any way to add Bob deinterlacing to the already existing weave option? I seem to remember it was very light on resources on the PSX core.

[willow pawn]

Probably

[ancient surge]

Looking forward to try out the dual RAM build with the interlacing fix. 🙏

[errant crown]

I honestly have no idea lol. I will say, playing the Saturn version inspired me to get the complete series on Blu-Ray. MKR’s one of my favorite games on the Saturn.

[eternal mantle]

Fighting Vipers and Fighters Megamix regression on single ram, running slower than the last unstable build. Cannot test on dual ram.

[mortal mist]

I also checked it some time ago, it works ok

[errant crown]

Wait WHAT

Is this what I think it is

[ripe valley]

Just taking the PR from @willow pawn to the current build.

I will let the others test it.

Please test it and report back, as I don't have access to an analog out system at the moment.

[celest lake]

is there a dual ram build as well? or just single atm?

[ripe valley]

I've just compiled the dual RAM, @willow pawn compiled the single one.

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[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-byebear-cute-bye-wave-gif-344809869674681480

[mortal mist]

for me today's core dualsdram doesn't work , yours doesn't either

previous ones I have work ok

[ripe valley]

Ugh.

https://tenor.com/view/the-wire-clay-davis-shit-sheeit-isiah-whitlock-jr-gif-20285534

Could you try to compile it on your side later ?
Or even report back to srg320, as the SDRAM controller may need some adjustments for some people.

[burnt matrix]

Oops

[mortal mist]

Maybe its my old 32mb sdram

Will try later with 128

[sacred goblet]

What about grandia texture flickering?

[mortal mist]

No change

[radiant karma]

Just tested the dual sdram with interlace fix build. Grandia texture flickering is gone at least for me.

[mortal mist]

Ohh great news

[radiant karma]

Dead or Alive still has slowdown, only during some moves, but it is much improved, definitively playable now.

[ripe valley]

Same results as mine, for the build and DoA.

[ancient surge]

Absolutely beautiful. 👌

[radiant karma]

Also in Dead or Alive, I could reach stage 9, previously it was reported that stage 8 (Kasumi) would crash. But in stage 9, raidou intro makes the background move up and down.

[burnt matrix]

I haven’t played the game in a while but I’ve been able to beat it multiple times

[radiant karma]

Did you got the background shaking thing on the last level? It happens only during raidou intro.

[wise brook]

guess I can close my interlace video request.
guess the guy who asked the exact same thing a week later will have to do the same off his own initiative or have SRG320 close it

[burnt matrix]

I don’t recall, there were a couple of very minor bouts of slowdown but otherwise the game ran great.

[ripe valley]

I don't know if we should close that issue or not, as it requires an unstable Main MiSTer build.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/191

[ancient surge]

I'm updating the issue pages I've posted in the past. Since the problems are still technically not fixed due to the single RAM build, I'm going to update the pages clarifying that it's only a problem with the single RAM build as of the 10-30-2024 build.

[willow pawn]

Already merged haha, very nice

[forest heart]

oh shiiiiiit

[ancient surge]

Oh, it turns out I don't have Fighters MegaMix or Fighting Vipers in my games folder. I'll have to fix that later. I have to leave soon for my job, so I can't do that now.

[mortal mist]

With second 128mb sdram module

Dead or alive

[ripe valley]

Taste the rainbow (Skittles)

[mortal mist]

Single sdram core is ok

Time for check third sdram 😅

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-gif-4520105

The RAM doesn't like you.

[mortal mist]

I checked two 32mb sdrams, core does not work at all

With 128mb v2.4 I get errors in dead or alive

I need to take some mister apart and check the 2.9

Works fine with v2.9

[radiant karma]

My dual sdram kit uses v2.5 and v2.9 ram

[mortal mist]

2.9 + 2.4 = issues in doa

[ancient surge]

So we're back to the good ol' RAM compatibility jank days?

[mortal mist]

2.9 + 2.9 = no issues

[mortal mist]

For second stick

😅

At least in my case

[tawny forge]

Single RAM is still king then

[burnt matrix]

my my how the turn tables

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth intro fixes!? Finally! Get in here @burnt matrix and play your favorite fat baby game!

Also, get in here @naive whale and make dat Saturn update video! The fans demand content!

[naive whale]

oh for fucks sake why lolol

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-to-work-gif-1126008344771276194

[naive whale]

tomorrow...I have NO space to fit it today

so what is it? Just the interlacing fix?

[ancient surge]

There is also an overhaul to how the RAM works, which improves the speed in the SEGA fighting games, but requires a second RAM.

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[celest lake]

DUAL RAM IS BACK BABY

[ancient surge]

There's the list of changes.

[naive whale]

so is the interlaced fix just for analog out is this HDMI too? Not understanding that

[ancient surge]

Fixes the interlacing over analog and Direct Video. Now it properly interlaces.

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth intro fix as well so it finally no longer stutters constantly!

Just tested it myself, and it works!

[naive whale]

us or japan?

[pearl harbor]

US

[naive whale]

ok so not HDMI out...got it

[celest lake]

unless it's direct video, right?

[naive whale]

any other fun improvements found? for my capturing

[celest lake]

Fighting Vipers and Megamix should work. Dead or Alive works better

[ancient surge]

Apparently there are reports of Grandia improving over the dual RAM build.

[radiant karma]

Yep, no textures flickering for me in the new dual ram core, forgot to test if they were also fixed using single sdram.

[naive whale]

if anyone is capturing footage lmk

[forest heart]

tried out virtua fighter 2 on my crt and the results seemed rough, everything including the mister menu was pretty violently jittery, in addition there seemed to be performance issues i dont remember previously. not sure if its a problem on my end

[ripe valley]

Single or dual RAM ?

[willow pawn]

I'm not stupid and uploaded the wrong build am I

(Note that if its jittery like other interlace cores, that's normal)

[naive whale]

are the cores in unstable nightlies basically the same as in the channel?

[willow pawn]

Unless I am stupid, yes

[naive whale]

10-4 making sure as I grabbed the buids from unstable channel

[marble laurel]

@mortal mist it could be interesting to check when this template update is integrated
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Template_MiSTer/commit/704dc65ca0cb7bd469236d84a1b101b39f2b0ee9

[naive whale]

ok lets see what it does...DV1 into Tink tests go

so much gear for one capture lol

one day I am going to play MiSTer for fun...I swear

DOA on dual core first

looks GOOD

still got slowdown on DUAL though

not as bad but

[celest lake]

yeah, vipers and megamix should be good though

from what people have been saying

[naive whale]

checking those next

[celest lake]

and virtua fighter 2 should look good now....?

[naive whale]

ive got all four to test

VF2 next

gonna be a fighters heavy vid for tomorrow

[mortal mist]

Thanks for the info!

[naive whale]

still a tiny bit of slowdown in Fighting Vipers

on dual RAM core and build obv

Megamix def improved

[small gust]

Anyone with previous grandia flickers that has tested the game with the single ram interlace fixed build?

[ripe valley]

I'm trying something with it.
Same with the SNES core, will reply later with some results.

[soft goblet]

Do dual modules need to be the same size? Wondering if it may be enough to grab a cheapo 32MB module to go with the 128MB already installed

[hallow fossil]

No need for 128MB, 32MB is enough. No benefit of having more than 32MB in ram slot B

Although a dual ram set up isn't used for much at all, if you want to try out the handful of Dev cores that currently utilise it, then it is pretty cheap to grab a 32MB ram stick

[river wing]

Do you guys think the dual RAM will be needed in the future for these improved timings, or do you think it's something temporal?

[hallow fossil]

Hard to say, but realistically we have a decent single ram Saturn core already so nobody will need dual ram to play Saturn

[radiant karma]

I dont think even srg320 knows the answer to that yet. I am just happy to see improvements on the core.

[river wing]

Yes, I am also happy to see improvements, of course.
But I don't know if I should be starting to assemble a dual RAM setup.. I want perfect Saturn 😄

Anyway, dual RAM means that analog outputs are gone, right?

[forest heart]

single

[radiant karma]

Well, I did upgrade for the saturn core maybe more than a year ago. I never found a difference, this is the first time I have used it for something other than bragging rights. Common sense would be to wait till the core is done.

[hallow fossil]

At this stage if you don't have a MiSTer set up with a spare ram slot (i.e. You aren't using an Analogue iO board) you shouldn't be running out to buy a whole new set up to get dual ram. Save your pennies for the next board would be my suggestion if money is burning a hole in your pocket.

[radiant karma]

You can use directvideo as I did on a dual sdram kit, just wont have simultaneous output on analog and hdmi.

[hallow fossil]

If you have a digital iO set up with an empty ram slot B and have a spare 32MB ram stick laying about, then definitely pop that in. That is a free upgrade.

[stiff patrol]

no it wont

Kuba reported it doesnt work with early ram revisions

so 32 mb is out of the question

[hallow fossil]

Whether you want to buy another 32MB ram stick for $25 or whatever they cost now is up to you, is that amount low enough that you would like to try out dual ram dev cores? That's a personal choice.

[naive whale]

ill put it at 4

[stiff patrol]

I think its time to stop the Huge Update text on your videos

its an update, describing it as huge is misleading

[hallow fossil]

Wait, are you saying dual ram cores don't work with 32MB stick in slot B?

[stiff patrol]

Kuba reported it worked with 2.8 and not with 2.5

[river wing]

All good ideas, indeed 🙂
I have a second 128MB module lying around already that I could use I guess... But I'd need to get new I/O board and side panels for my metallic RetroCastle setup...

[stiff patrol]

#1046941029296779344 message

@hallow fossil so currently there are no reports of it working with a 32 mb stick

so be careful saying it will work

[river wing]

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if SRG came down the road with a solution for single RAM, it has happened in the past

[naive whale]

lol you always have an opinion dont you

[hallow fossil]

Looking now, well news to me, and seems Kuba is saying previously on dual ram builds his old 32MB stick worked fine, so looks like something has changed.

[naive whale]

READ between the lines...it's a double entendre

[stiff patrol]

I hate youtube hype and opinion is fine

[naive whale]

well then let me be the first to invite you not to watch it 🤣

[stiff patrol]

Or watch it and downvote it 🙂

[naive whale]

or maybe...again...get the joke in the thumbnail

[stiff patrol]

well the joke was so thin it was near impossible to see

[naive whale]

there is always one so have fun with it. Maybe go run some day of update videos yourself...see how well they do 😆

maybe ill add the word Extra in front of huge just for my own laughs now lol

[celest lake]

I dunno, I read the changes this morning and thought “that’s a huge update”

[naive whale]

but back to core discussion...I did find the dual ram improved some slowdown

but the interlacing fixes are so much more fundamentally HUGE 😉

[ripe valley]

Some games can't be fixed without the second RAM module, srg320 was almost absolute on it earlier on an issue discussion.

[upper dust]

yeah - still seems pretty jittery to me too

[naive whale]

at least now we have something to point to dual ram for outside of Jaguar

[stiff patrol]

but was that on the dual ram ?

[upper dust]

no

[stiff patrol]

he only fixed it on dual

[ripe valley]

I will upload the DS version with the New Template, on Dead or Alive, the frame pacing seems consistent now on my system.

[celest lake]

Man, what a cool day

[upper dust]

so this is incorrect?

[stiff patrol]

#1046941029296779344 message

slowdowns fixed on Dual Ram only

[upper dust]

oh not slowdowns - interlaced video still seems bouncy (playing on a CRT with an analog IO board)

[stiff patrol]

interlace fix was something different I thought