Sega Saturn

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t know you remembered

[drowsy hull]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer?tab=readme-ov-file#pad-options
maybe that explanation about negcon is still accurate and/or comprehendable

[high bramble]

I respect selfish reasons. Those are typically my favorite kind of reasons.

[drowsy hull]

after that robert had to implement sound and increase compile times. that's when I decided that fpga development is not for me

[burnt matrix]

not surprised!

[drowsy hull]

I mean, who has time for compiles taking 15-25 minutes? that's for people doing development in a structured compile-once way

or when being paid for it to have a valid 'it compiles' excuse for doing nothing

but that was enough self-adulation for the next five years.
back to trolling and making fun of robby 🫡

[burnt matrix]

CTRL+C, CTRL+V

[drowsy hull]

The one time apple could have used non generic key combos to invalidate your attempt

[fallow oracle]

"so jae, how's the saturn core?"

Just a casual 1CC no worries

This is my first 1CC on this, sadly not deathless

It's also the easy route but shhh

[gloomy hedge]

still really good

especially if you arent using 30hz auto

with 30hz auto its even easier

but an arcade clear is an arcade clear! ggs!

[fallow oracle]

I used auto, but 30Hz is too fast IMO

The two steps to all red wide is too many projectiles that you end up with too many gaps

[gloomy hedge]

those gaps go away very fast once your weapon levels up

[fallow oracle]

It does, but I've died too many times in previous plays that I'll sacrifice damage output for a more even spread

[gloomy hedge]

like this is 30 hz with the red shot and there aint no gap

[gloomy hedge]

maybe you can just use the inbuilt auto and then a second button for 30hz

[fallow oracle]

Yeah, it's the two stages prior to that rofl

[gloomy hedge]

this good enough for me tbh

[fallow oracle]

I have a HAS supergun for when I play on the F3, I do 15Hz typically but I might try setting up two buttons

One at 15, one at 30

[gloomy hedge]

or even this

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I think ya should!

30 is really good

its borderline broken

seriously it just melts shit

[fallow oracle]

It is rofl

[gloomy hedge]

it feels a little cheatery on abdhlqv but then on other routes it feels balanced haha

anything but the shotgaps in darius 1

good god, kill me now

[fallow oracle]

That's partially why I don't but also, there's the whole discourse on autofire anyways

[gloomy hedge]

shoots 4 bullets

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

(when can I fire again?)

[fallow oracle]

So it's like someone is always unhappy rofl

[gloomy hedge]

the discourse on autofire is, if you dont use autofire, you're just creating your own hell that no one needs to create for anyone

autofire is the most balanced for competition, and japanese cabinets had autofire circuits anyways

anyone who tries to hold that candle of "oh yeah autofire is cheating" is like " cool thanks advocate for carpal tunnel, byeee"

the only argument is " but we want to reward you for mashing harder than the otehr guy " in which case, go for it, but I dont value that and neither does the shmup community so its like go have that competition my guy, no one's stopping you, but we dont care to test that exact skill

https://tenor.com/view/pressing-press-button-takahashi-meijin-gamer-speed-gif-16313263

#rantover lol

[fallow oracle]

Yeah, I agree with you on that

[amber heart]

Using a CHD did indeed fix the issue. Thanks!

[quick sorrel]

Tight elbow, firm hand, flex the shit outta your tricep and make it work 😎

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah we all did MGS torture back in the day, we don't have to do it again 😂

[pearl harbor]

The torture scene was always easy peasy for me. 💪

[quick sorrel]

last time playing MGS I couldn’t make it thru the torture scene on hard - too old to be Snake - time for normal mode 😅

[pine bobcat]

Left shoulder button on neGcon is analog as well.
Does the PS1 core not support this?

[warped saddle]

lol, starting to get the feeling mamedev leadership doesn't agree on how to handle stuff like cdrom indices

[ripe valley]

Totally.

[warped saddle]

also getting the feeling that PR that added support for INDEX 02-99 and added it to some cdrom emu was done without cuavas even noticing

[ripe valley]

I was 98-99% sure of the issue from my previous experiences on the system (and how Saturn dumps were incorrectly done before 2011-2012).
And with the SCSP almost perfect now, I'm also reassured about it, that's not a core at fault.

[severe whale]

Is there a list of games with issues?

[mortal mist]

Github

[severe whale]

Found this in Chaos Control Remix

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

latest core 20240918 ?

[severe whale]

yeah the latest nightly build

its half way into the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wYW-PYJDtU

20:27 into this video

that exact mission the graphic becomes a garbled mess

up until that i didnt notice any issues

[mortal mist]

Any save ?

[severe whale]

i dont think this game supports save

but its not a long game. it takes like approx 15 mins to get there

and it works really nice with the mouse

the mouse support is the reason im trying it out

notice that there were two versions of this game released in Japan

the standard Chaos Control and Chaos Control remix

this is the remix version

[mortal mist]

ok but is it reproducible every time , or did it happen once ?

[severe whale]

i will have to retry it to see if it occurs again

[mortal mist]

It may be that you load the core fresh, turn on the game and you will not see it again

[severe whale]

yeah i'll see if it occurs again

[mortal mist]

let us know , I will play after work 🙂

[severe whale]

i dont know why it happens because i cant tell if there is something "new" introduced which wasnt previously at that point

if you are going to play with mouse, set it to normal speed. the fast speed is crazy fast

going to try out Prisoners of Ice, another game with mouse support

[ripe valley]

I've just tested the game for 5-10 minutes some weeks ago, so if an issue occurs this escaped my vigilance.

And without a mouse, it was hard.

[severe whale]

lol yeah its quite hard with the gamepad

[stone lion]

Has anyone played lunar? Not sure if it's playable, when i enter the game it says needs video card

[burnt matrix]

Play the original Saturn release from ‘96 and not the one that needs the mpeg card.

[stone lion]

it worked, thx!

[burnt matrix]

Glad to hear, amigo!

[severe whale]

Really sad that Lunar complete doesn’t work

It doesn’t even work with Saroo 😢

[mortal mist]

If you have a mpeg card it will work

[burnt matrix]

You can always play the PS1 version too.

[high bramble]

...or Sega CD, or PSP, or...

[burnt matrix]

Or the new remakes haha

Like I would be sad if it a Saturn exclusive didn’t work. But Lunar that’s been ported to like every system? Who cares haha.

Other than being as accurate as possible to original hardware. That’s a worthy passion.

[high bramble]

Meh. Was hoping for something a little more with these so-called 'remasters' coming out for PS4/PS5. Don't get me wrong, I'm always excited to see anything Lunar-related... but the footage shown so far looked very underwhelming, little more than upscaled (and not very cleanly) PS1 versions.

[burnt matrix]

That’s a shame

Yeah I hope they do more with them too

[severe whale]

Apparently Saroo doesn’t support MPEG card

[ripe valley]

It disables the CD block system and bypass it.

Necessary for the MPEG decompression card to have it enabled.

[brittle pecan]

minisnac and orange saturn lightgun not working for me 😦

[inner token]

buttons work?

[brittle pecan]

nothing is working

[inner token]

ok that may be a connection issue. try pulling out the plug out of the saturn connector a mm or 2

you got the saturn cable from porkchop? and the single port snac from him also?

[brittle pecan]

yes

[inner token]

ok good because saturn blissbox cables are wired slightly different

[brittle pecan]

yeah im not getting anything. input 1 and 2 are set to digital and Snac is on

[inner token]

have you used snac for anything else before? like does genesis work?

there's a jumper on some io boards that needs set right if you're new

[brittle pecan]

yeah just tested and snac is working with my snes controller

I also have snax and had no issue with it

[inner token]

snes isn't a great indicator unles you tried both ports 1,2. how about psx lightguns or regular saturn controllers?

the jumper would be next to the user port and say io6 and 3v3. it's on analog io board 6.1

[wise brook]

could you clear up for me, are you using a “snax” brand snac adapter in both cases. or do you have multiple types of snac adapter

[brittle pecan]

I've been using SNAX. I just recieved SNAC V1 from misteraddons..testing SNAC with orange saturn lightgun and got nothing to work

[inner token]

oh another dumb question, you're using my build from here in the pins?

[brittle pecan]

yes using the lightgun rbf

cleaned the lightgun connector with some rubbing alcohol because it was looking grimy ..its working!!!

[inner token]

nice, aim works too? can you try snax again also?

[brittle pecan]

yeah had to calibrate it but it works fine..will try with snax right now

With SNAX the start button on the lightgun works but the screen flashes when pulling the trigger but nothing happens

tried adjusting the lightgun with SNAX but screen flashes but doesnt register the shot

[inner token]

yeah seems like gun is detected but acts like you're aiming offscreen

[wise brook]

tried a few more sdcards to remedy grandia

no luck here

[quick sorrel]

I may be mistaken but, aren't sandisk cards known to have issues on MiSTer? I know there's something I read about them.

[burnt matrix]

I have a Samsung and have never seen texture flickering on Grandia

[quick sorrel]

Same here. A Samsung PRO endurance card. (I still keep testing Grandia with every core update hoping it doesn't get broken for me)

[celest lake]

do we still need more data points for this? I have a samsung card and a nas and am happy to test

[burnt matrix]

Nah we’re good. It’ll get resolved at some point. Core is still in active development.

Thanks though!

[severe whale]

Typo detected in Policenauts

[celest lake]

get hideo on the line

[ancient surge]

Literally unplayable

[quick sorrel]

What's it supposed to be?

[celest lake]

Probably “Why don’t we ask him about what Hojo was doing on the 15th”

[quick sorrel]

Aw fuck, my mind was autocorrecting that when I read it 😅

[ripe valley]

I will see with Kojima tomorrow as he is at the TGS for a presentation. 😁

[winter phoenix]

The Saturn sees the train controller as a regular gamepad so I’d imagine that SNAC would support it, wouldn’t it?

Apparently the different positions of the handle are different face+shoulder button combinations, it’s not analog or whatever

[ancient surge]

Happy Saturnday

[winter phoenix]

Play a Sega Saturn game! I recommend Bulk Slash or Stellar Assault 💪

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, that’s what people said. Maaaaaaan I’m thinking about buying one now lol.

[winter phoenix]

May as well!

[burnt matrix]

Especially since the Saturn has the best version of DDG 1

[winter phoenix]

Does it? What makes it better, specifically?

[burnt matrix]

The Saturn version is an improved version of the first arcade game with better graphics and extra train lines. It’s the definitive version of DDG 1.

The PS1 one is a straight port I think.

[winter phoenix]

Oh, interesting

Dat extra content

[burnt matrix]

Saturn always wins!

[winter phoenix]

Does it use the Saturn’s internal clock at all? I feel like a train game could.

[burnt matrix]

I don’t know, would be fun.

[winter phoenix]

Oh not always 😆

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[winter phoenix]

Sometimes those ports where the PS1 was the lead platform are kinda rough

[severe whale]

He won’t understand a jack shit what you are talking about since the error is made by the fan translator

[ripe valley]

That was a joke.

If a typo is on the Saturn fan-translation, that could be reported to the Junker-HQ.

#1046941029296779344 message

[severe whale]

@quartz girder I’m calling on you on this typo in Policenauts

[quartz girder]

Thank you 🙂

[sudden tusk]

Leave my compadre Artemio alone!

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/grab-tacos-taco-tuesday-break-gif-24703182

[pearl harbor]

We need one of these for Awbacon. Squeeze that bacon!

[wise brook]

https://fixvx.com/zackreese/status/1839916824030278135?s=46

hadn’t even realized but i was playing this on the anniversary

[soft goblet]

What video settings are you guys using for the saturn core? Any custom setups?

[hearty marten]

5th gen filter preset for me 🙂

[floral saddle]

PC got the best port of the first game. Double the resolution and far more stable textures which flicker about all over the place on PS1 and Saturn. Saturn is worse graphicly than PS1, the texture mapping is awful, it's a rougher looking game.

My recommendation for anyone getting into the series is to play Professional on PS1, all the tracks from 1 & 2 with a far fairer difficulty compared to arcade.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah wasn’t counting PC since it’s not on MiSTer haha

Well, a non ao486 PC

I suggest the N64 one since it’s in English. Less of a learning curve if you don’t know Japanese.

[floral saddle]

Fair point, in which case I would go for professional on PS1 every time.

[burnt matrix]

Ehh, it doesn’t matter. People gonna play what they want.

Saturn is love, Saturn is life!

[floral saddle]

True, but the first 2 games have difficulty levels that can easily put people off the series for good.

[burnt matrix]

[floral saddle]

Professional was made with consoles in mind.

[burnt matrix]

I should buy professional

[floral saddle]

Its fantastic, my favourite in the series. Love the aesthetic of that era of densha.

[hearty marten]

Do you speak Japanese, Robby?

[burnt matrix]

Still though, N64 one is unfortunately the only option for most people. Being in English is the biggest advantage, even over difficulty.

[burnt matrix]

Sorta?

[hearty marten]

Just wondered due to the games not being in English, generally 😄

[burnt matrix]

the Japanese isn’t too complex and the gameplay is pretty basic. I just have a bunch of normie friends who think me liking train games is hilarious and weird lol.

[warped saddle]

choo choo

[floral saddle]

Theres not a ton to learn if you dont speak Japanese and the community has produced a ton of guides. Once you get to grips with one game they will all make sense.

[drowsy hull]

yeah, you liking train games makes them think that

[hearty marten]

I think we're all weird

[burnt matrix]

Oh my god, Zakk and Arit are here. All we need is BasketSnake and I’m cooked

[hearty marten]

Summoning @twin canyon

[burnt matrix]

goddmanit

[warped saddle]

Robby's a foamer

[burnt matrix]

I don’t even know what that is!

[hearty marten]

I'm reluctant to google it

[burnt matrix]

LMAO

[hearty marten]

but he probably is one, yep

[burnt matrix]

https://www.good.is/articles/foamer

No, I don’t let anyone know I like train games lol

[hearty marten]

Robby-asdf, more like

[warped saddle]

A foamer is someone who signs up for a railroad forum, and makes 75 posts in 3 days explaining why every train that runs on his favorite railroad either needs new locomotives or needs to bring back the old ones; and his favorite railroad has to create new useless routes and restore ones long since gone

[burnt matrix]

Anyways @floral saddle you’re a cool person

[floral saddle]

Foamer is a new one lol, thats funny.

[burnt matrix]

I’ll try to pick up professional

I really like the new Switch one too

It’s very fun choo choo

[floral saddle]

Think its got a little pricey over the years but shouldnt be too bad.

I still need to play the new one, wish it would come to Steam.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah

[drowsy hull]

Well, there is jr east train simulator

just shy of being 680€ on dlc...

[burnt matrix]

I’ve thought about it, the base game

[floral saddle]

Live footage stuff is interesting but also a bit janky if you dont exactly match the speed the footage was shot at. That game is stuffed with expensive DLC, you dont get much with the base game.

I really, really love how the early Densha games look too, thats a big part in my enjoyment. Nagoya Tetsudo-hen on PS1 is also worth picking up too.

[polar mountain]

I'm all over densha de go at the moment

I just got a controller

Let night I set up Final on the pc with the translation

And used a cool little hack to get the ps1controller to work

[burnt matrix]

I need to do that, I have the plug n play

[polar mountain]

I've been trying the ps1 games out there is so much to appreciate in all of them

There is one called Nagayo

I think

The look of it blew me away

And holy shit the sound design

Incredible

[floral saddle]

Lovely looking isnt it? So suits 240p and the graphical capabilities of the time.

[drowsy hull]

is there a not too expensive modern controller which just works with mister?

I guess modern being usb

[floral saddle]

I think you are at the mercy of ebay scalpers for the official controllers now. They aren't essential imho, its not like buying a wheel for racing games, the controlls are just pressing up and down for break and accelerator.

[drowsy hull]

so the best plan is to essentially wait until a new title is released?

[burnt matrix]

Zuuiki?

Oh it’s all sold out

Oh damn the plug n plays are pricey too lol

https://www.amazon.co.jp/電車でGO-PLUG-PLAY2-山陽新幹線編EX/dp/B0C9Q6PFYM/

[floral saddle]

Do you know if the Zuiki ones ever got drivers to work on PC like the plug and play did?

Answered my own question, yes it did https://pastebin.com/DBCZ9pc9

[burnt matrix]

You beat me to it lol

I haven’t tried it

[polar mountain]

It's a great translation! The ddgcrew who did that are awesome

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I was on their Discord for a while, didn’t say much was just quiet lol

[polar mountain]

I'm going on there right now to tell them they are awesome

[noble escarp]

The DDG Unofficial discord is awesome!

[visual grove]

What’s the best train controller

[polar mountain]

The fat controller!

Obvs!

https://tenor.com/view/sir-topham-hatt-dance-gif-3412989990571265124

[burnt matrix]

The one in your heart

[ancient surge]

Maybe you should call a doctor about that.

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/dre-dr-gif-22662035

[sacred goblet]

Happy saturnday 😉

[wise brook]

@inner token what’s the fix refer to my dude? it seemed you nailed it 1st time

[ancient surge]

Happy... Sunurnday?

[burnt matrix]

Lightgun support is SNAC only, right?

[pearl harbor]

Lightgun support is cool guy only. Sorry Robby.

[burnt matrix]

Damn…

[inner token]

yeah that's just the thing I did last week, it fixes the detection of stunner and writes the right value when nothing is connected to snac.

[inner token]

I think you can unpin that last build @burnt matrix thanks for doing it

[burnt matrix]

Thank you!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mannie-fresh-cash-money-dance-gif-15821525178973074392

[sonic spindle]

can someone please send me the link for latest unstable build single ram

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[small gust]

That is what I hope for aswell, of course. But srg320 having a hard time replicating it is a little bit worrying. I keep imagining that the further away he gets, code wise, from the point where the regression started, the harder it will be to remedy it, while keeping everything else intact.

But what do I know, my coding skills is at absolute beginner level, and I know absolutely nothing about fpga programming :).

[hearty marten]

srg320 is a wizard. If anyone can figure it out, it's him 🙂

[warm mica]

Where can I get the latest saturn core? Is there an updater script that works?

[celest lake]

Update all will give you the latest stable. There is an update unstable build script that will grab the absolute latest build

[hearty marten]

#unstable-nightlies message

Once srg320 does an official release, update_all with grab it. In the meantime you can use the unstable above 🙂

[warm mica]

@celest lake where can I get that script to download unstable builds?

[celest lake]

I’m in the car. Lemme see if I can find it quick

I got it from someone here

[celest lake]

So here is porkchop’s message. I know it’s on GitHub too but I can’t find it #1046941029296779344 message

[thorn pagoda]

oh nice the lightgun changes are merged?

awesome thanks again @inner token !

[warped cliff]

iirc, lightgun support was the only thing keeping the core from technically being feature complete right?

[burnt matrix]

Uhhh, there’s a few other minor things. Like getting lightgun via USB working and keyboard support.

Cheats too

But thats not really a Saturn hardware thing

[pearl harbor]

I need dat USB lightgun support so I can use my guncon 3!

I need to shooty shooty bang bang!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah same, I have a the stunner though but then I’d have to get it out of the closet

[tiny flare]

480i for analogue output is still missing IIRC

[celest lake]

Finally found them https://github.com/misteraddons/mister_unstable_updater_scripts/tree/main/files/Scripts

[warm mica]

@celest lake

[warped saddle]

you downloaded it from github and right-clicked the link

it downloaded html

click on the name of the script in that url, it should show you all the text

[viral pebble]

Do we have multitap support yet?

[warped saddle]

click the button all the way on the right in this image

that will properly download it

[warm mica]

@warped saddle no it grabbed the .sh file

[warped saddle]

no it didn't

it's NAMED .sh

but the contents are html

just do what I said and it will be correct

[clear condor]

thanks as always to the code website for making it unusually difficult to obtain the code

[high bramble]

Or you can right-click the Raw button and click Save link as...

[cursive tree]

Cool! Wandering if there is a script for the test-builds too

[celest lake]

test builds usually aren't on github I don't think? (correct me if I'm wrong, but they are usually just linked here)

[hearty marten]

Yep. Test builds aren’t usually on GitHub, they’re usually manually built and uploaded here into #test-builds

Unstable builds are automatically built with the CI pipelines in GitHub once there are new commits, so you could grab those from GitHub (see @warped saddle’s message for details). They’re also on discord, here: #unstable-nightlies

Test builds are usually manually built by a developer when they explicitly want to seek feedback.

Unstable builds are built automatically (sometimes the buildbot can fail for complex cores), and just reflect the most recent commit in the main branch for each core. The devs aren’t necessarily explicitly asking for feedback, but they’re helpful for e.g. the Saturn, where there’s a long time between official releases.

NB: a “release” is a blessed build which is manually committed to the releases directory of the repo. This one has been manually built by a developer. For more complex cores e.g. N64, PSX, this might have required many builds to find the one which gives the best timing/timing closure.

I hope that helps

[warped saddle]

you can grab unstable releases from github: in the unstable nightly repo for a given core they are publshed as a release

actually, there is one "release" and it publishes each build as an asset in that release

[warped cliff]

yeah that would for sure count

[hearty marten]

Thanks. Updated my message. tbf I was going via memory rather than actually looking 😅

[severe whale]

Yeah I hope we get 480i for analogue output soon!

I saw the latest episode of Gamesack. Was kind of surprised how Joe undersold Mister. Left out many key features. Such as ability to force 480i into 480p on the PSX core for instance. And many other core updates.

[warped cliff]

Yeah its easy for people to undersell the MiSTer. its not like there's a promotion and marketing department to make all that information easy to find and remember for the average content creator

[ripe valley]

Joe seems to have tested the stable Saturn core too instead of the last unstable one.

He does have all the original systems with ODE/flashcards, so I can understand that he is not updating and following everythng done (and possible) with the MiSTer.

I'm already pleased that he talks about it once more 4/5 years after.

[severe whale]

Yeah that’s understandable. He did cover Saroo which is cool

[tulip tiger]

does anyone have problems with music in Thunder Force V in the most recent (unstable/stable) releases?

[ripe valley]

More like : do you have found a problem with that game and the most recent unstable release on your side ?

Sound should be almost perfect now with the rather recent accuracy tests passed.
But we're open to know if there's something that we might have missed in our tests.

[rotund flare]

Where can I download the latest unstable Saturn core? I'd like to try if my Saturn lightguns work with SNAC now..

[burnt matrix]

#unstable-nightlies message

[rotund flare]

No access for me..

[mortal mist]

check your roles

[burnt matrix]

Fixed it for you, try again please

[rotund flare]

Thanks! That works now 🙂 off to go shootin'

[severe whale]

Just finished Policenauts from beginning to end with mouse

No issues

[rotund flare]

Working like a charm! Great precision too, better than some other lightguns of other systems

[burnt matrix]

That’s awesome!

Really happy you’re able to enjoy the awesome Saturn core, amigo!

[visual grove]

So SNAC lightguns work but not SNAX is that correct?

Lightgun singular I mean

[polar mountain]

Seems so, for the moment

[rotund flare]

I need to acquire some original Saturn connector ports, these cheap ports that come with all the SNACs are so bad, I have a few and I need to wiggle around for anything to register, the fire button works, but the start button works 3% of the time on all my lightguns so it's not the lightguns

I tried 3 different SNAC modules. I tried three different lightguns. I tried rebooting, resetting etc. I tried contact spray on the connections. The fire button seems to work 80% of the time while the start button seems to work 3% of the time, while wiggling the connector.

[inner token]

maybe try not inserting into the saturn connector all the way, leave a gap

[rotund flare]

yup, tried every possible position between fully inserted and fully removed. And sideways movement, pressure up, down, left, right. Angled up, down etc. while pressing the start button repeatedly. Thinking it might be more than just the connector atm. maybe some sync issue or needing to restart when connection lost, recovered. I dunno.

[thorn pagoda]

have you ever considered having test-build access be its own role? might make people more likely to pick it by themselves

[severe whale]

Thanks @quartz girder for the translation effort. Had a great first play through of Saturn Policenauts. Nice to see that the bonus content was also translated. Went through it all.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s not a bad idea; but I don’t have a say in that haha

[drifting crown]

Does the Saturn snac need the level shifter board?

[inner token]

yeah saturn had 5v accessories

[hearty marten]

There are even things above your pay grade? 😮

[quartz girder]

marc was adamant we did that, and I am really glad. thanks for letting me know, I'll forward your message to him.

[burnt matrix]

I don’t even get paid lol

So yes!

[hearty marten]

But you do such a great job! 😮

[drowsy hull]

does he really?

[hearty marten]

||not|| really!

[high bramble]

We like to let him think he does.

He's much easier to deal with when he thinks he's important. 😉

I have to admit though... his pins are top-shelf!

[hearty marten]

Robby: King of Pins

[cunning citrus]

I dream with the day the Sega Saturn Core will have online net link support.

[naive whale]

Lolol I have so many jokes to make here

I think you need to focus more on the button at the top

[wooden dew]

My friend took his MiSTer to an FGC tournament to spread the gospel about Asuka 120%. It apparently went over pretty well.

[tall radish]

Is this a known issue? Saturn Rayman played flawlessly until the end where it crashed upon beating the final boss. Not missing out on much, but it's a crash no less.

[mortal mist]

20240918 ?

[tall radish]

v240628
Strange, I've run Update All since then. I'll update and check again

[mortal mist]

20240918 it;s a test build

#unstable-nightlies message

there's even a newer one already 🙂

please check with the last test core, a lot has changed since June.

[severe whale]

@mortal mist did you check into that bug in Chaos Control remix?

[mortal mist]

Sorry, I haven't had time yet, maybe I can tonight

[mortal mist]

No issue for me

[mortal mist]

Works fine

[severe whale]

What the heck

I gotta play it again

Which build are you using?

[mortal mist]

20240918

[severe whale]

Hmm it’s the same as I’m running

[stiff patrol]

use the redump set

[mortal mist]

no issues here, music works fine (20240918)

[tall radish]

Sorry for the late reply, tried with the unstable just now and it crashed at the same point.
https://youtu.be/IGMWzEJhlJg?t=3m21s
Timestamp here, the cut before Rayman does his little end of game dance is where the crash is.
All settings are default
Using a CHD if that's causing issues, (R2) on the file which I'm presuming stands for revision but the Internet Archive page didn't say that for sure.

[ripe valley]

I remember a VDP1 coordinate precision bug on Mednafen which caused the same issue here.

`-- 1.25.0-UNSTABLE: --

June 27, 2020:
SS: Implemented more accurate emulation of VDP1 drawing of excessively-large primitives.
It's not perfect, there's still something weird going on with antialiasing, and the effects on gradient shading
and texturing are not fully emulated, but it's enough to fix missing graphics in the attract mode of "Virtua Cop",
and a hang after defeating the final boss in "Rayman".`

Issue added.

[ripe valley]

@tall radish Will it be possible to share a save file to that last level as it will be much better for reproducing the issue and see with the core developer.

[tall radish]

No prob, I'll grab it

100% with the last level open.

[ripe valley]

I've seen with srg320 earlier.
He will try to reproduce the issue, but doing the level and the bosses will be difficult.

I have not done it either in 29 years.

[severe whale]

Time to try out Quake on Saturn with mouse support

Quake 64 worked surprisingly well on the N64 core

The overlocked core even removed all the slowdown which is a game changer

Oh the mouse does not work on Saturn Quake 😦

[rich violet]

I tried Irréel (Unreal port/homebrew) recently and it works so much better than last time I tried

[severe whale]

I had forgotten how much better looking Quake is on N64 compared to Saturn

[tiny flare]

N64 had a bit of an unfair advantage there, but the Saturn port still turned out really well all things considered

[mortal mist]

Completely different graphics engine

the same engine is in Exhumed/Powerslave and Duke Nukem 3d

[severe whale]

True but still. One major flaw in the Saturn version is that it’s so freaking dark. And there’s no setting to change that

[mortal mist]

the darker the more evil

[severe whale]

:3

[burnt matrix]

yeah, Saturn port is the worse way to play Quake but I think that makes it super cool

[severe whale]

Anyway. A bummer that it doesn’t support mouse. Would had been cool to play that way.

The N64 version doesn’t support mouse but the mouse option in the core works surprisingly well. Also the in game settings gives you more options to adjust the controls

[thorn pagoda]

quake on saturn uses the same engine as powerslave saturn right

wheras the n64 version is actual quake engine

[rich violet]

Mostly its that the N64 is much more powerful hardware.
1994: Saturn
1996: N64
1998: Dreamcast
The all did the best they could with the tech available at a reasonable price at the time

[gusty quest]

Back in the day i was not a big fan of either the N64 or Saturn but since the cores appearing on MiSTer i spend more time playing with the Saturn core than N64.

[serene thunder]

If you like 2D action games, Saturn library rules

[burnt matrix]

Saturn rocks, MiSTer is what got me into it

[gusty quest]

The quality of the Sega arcade ports is impressive too

[celest lake]

I know it's cliche, but Panzer Dragoon Saga is really great. I bought a saturn in 01 because my buddy sold me a copy of the game for 100 bucks. Played through it twice.....

Which means I should probably start another playthrough

[serene thunder]

IIRC Saga was $100 new in stores

[rich violet]

I never owned any of them. I had friends with PS1 and N64. I got the MiSTer for the Mega Drive nuked core, but the thing I've been playing the most is the Saturn, which surprised me

[celest lake]

might have been. there were a laughable amount of US copies. Less than 10000 iirc

[ancient surge]

European copies were even more scarce.

[burnt matrix]

I own this for some reason

Didn’t play it until the MiSTer core lol

[kindred peak]

It's total garbage. Toss it out, man.

I'll trade you STRAIGHT UP for a Gex 3DO CIB. Give it a think.

[topaz mica]

Saturn Quake also has 'Dank & Scuz'

[burnt matrix]

What’s that

[topaz mica]

its a voiced comic made from in game stills

[pearl harbor]

How dare you give up Gex!

[kindred peak]

It's cool. Don't tell Robby, but I have more.

Hey, waitaminute... @burnt matrix - since you're new to the Saturn world...

Has anyone shown you the joy... nay, the MAJESTY of Death Tank Zwei?

[celest lake]

(it's the 2nd death tank)

[high bramble]

I did. I showed him zwei times already.

[kindred peak]

Excellent.

[burnt matrix]

Shit is so cool

[kindred peak]

Once you're done with that rollback netplay for the Saturn core, we'll fire up a round.

You're still working on that, right?

[drifting frigate]

The worst thing and best thing about Saturn was it's unpopularity. It sucked for longevity of the console (though it did ok), but at the end all the toy stores sold off inventory for sub $5. My brother got most of his library at the end of life and he was working a convenience store job paying his own rent. It was so cheap he grabbed things that are hundreds now for 99 cents.
Also, I remember FF3/6 being $80 in store when I asked for it and getting an almost laughing 'no' about it . I can't imagine how loud that laugh would have been if I'd asked for a $100 game. The struggle was real.

[trim nimbus]

ouch, yeah, I don’t even remember seeing saga, but then again I wasn’t paying attention

I bought ff6 (which was $90 at walmart if I remember correctly), but when the psx came out most of the new games were $40. I don’t remember how much I spent on 7 and 8 though.

I didn’t get a saturn until I started with Capcom fighters

[serene thunder]

Phantasy Star 1 and 2 were also priced shockingly for the times

[kindred peak]

Yes to all of that, but what I mostly want to say is the new avatar threw me for a second 🤣

[drifting frigate]

I AM the Burger King.

[ancient surge]

Oh you are the Burger King? Name every burger than.

[drifting frigate]

Ham

Now bring me tribute!

(copies of Sneak King on Xbox)

[trim nimbus]

haha, show me the first ruler that remembers the name of all their subjects

[high bramble]

Speaking of shocking price... Phantasy Star IV for the Genesis. That was $100 for that cart when it came out if I remember correctly.

That's the only PS game I didn't purchase when it came out, and I loved that series. Played it years later via emulation.

[pearl harbor]

I remember paying $75 for Chrono Trigger back in the day.

[high bramble]

Oh, I do too. 😄

No regrets.

Easily the best purchase I ever made for the SNES.

[pearl harbor]

No doubt! One of the best games ever made, even all these years later.

[hearty marten]

You guys got robbed

[mortal mist]

lucky guys! me living in Europe couldn't even buy it 🙂

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/rob-nintendo-robot-shrugging-oh-well-gif-5451302

[drifting frigate]

I need to get off my ass and play that again soon. I just did 1 and 2. I'll probably give 3 a miss for now and go straight on to autumn.

[trim nimbus]

Next update: “we’ve had delays because we can’t get Andy away from phantasy star.”

[sudden tusk]

Japanese salary man starter pack !

Crap wrong chat lol

[clear condor]

No, all of this fits in very well with a Sega Saturn, though you might want to swap out the Guinness for a Kirin

as long as you're playing it after getting off work at 11 PM and taking the last train to your 21 sq ft apartment

[ember terrace]

Hi guys, I see that the Saturn unstable nightly says "fix stunner"...are they working now? I didn't see a stunner setting in the menu, and it's not registering hits when I fire at the screen

[clear condor]

It's currently only working with SNAC, so you'd pick the SNAC option

[ember terrace]

i did pick snac, but left pad on 'digital' should I choose another?

[wise brook]

no

[pearl harbor]

When it is set to SNAC, it uses the controller that is plugged into the SNAC.

[pine bobcat]

A salaryman wouldn't be caught dead with that avocado/jalapeno/sriracha abomination
Raw fish or GTFO

[tiny flare]

Are you using a SNAX adaptor specifically? It doesn’t work in that exact way your describing

Unless anything’s changed since I last tried the first test build

[ember terrace]

Yes a snax v2 from misteraddons. It reads trigger presses because the screen flashes it just reads everything as a miss

[inner token]

if you happen to have a v1 you can try it with that

[grizzled lava]

I installed the Saturn Core via UpdateAll but I appear to get a black screen when running it. Can someone recommend a link to the latest build and so I can try installing it manually, thank you

[celest lake]

you have to load the bios manually

[ancient surge]

Actually you don't need to if you rename the BIOS file to "boot.rom" and put it in the games folder.

[celest lake]

aha

mine are boot.bin

[grizzled lava]

I don’t understand? Do you mean it’s just missing the bios file to run?

[celest lake]

it sounds like it. do you have a boot.bin or boot.rom in your saturn game directory?

[grizzled lava]

I do not! Appears that’s missing

[celest lake]

yeah, then that's the issue. update_all doesn't pull them automatically I don't think (I could be wrong)

[mortal mist]

I advise changing to boot.rom

[celest lake]

I just renamed it, thank you 🙂

[ancient surge]

Update all does have an option to pull BIOS files from a database. Though you can always manually put a BIOS file into the games folder too.

[grizzled lava]

Seems I have the bios in my archive buts named “saturn_bios.bin” and it’s 512kb. can I confirm the file size is correct and it’s just got an incorrect name?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I use a bios per region

[burnt matrix]

Yes name is wrong

[celest lake]

Does it pull the saturn bios? I can't remember. I have a memory that, because it was still in development, they hadn't added the bios yet. But I also could have imagined that

[burnt matrix]

I am pretty sure it does now

[mortal mist]

As far as I remember, it does not download the bios for the Saturn

[burnt matrix]

Oh really? Huh

Yeah you’re right, it’s not in the CSV download list

[mortal mist]

Anyway, it's not a problem, use any bios, set the region to Auto and have fun.

[grizzled lava]

That appears to have done it, thank you

Weirdly half my roms seems incompatible but that’s a fix for another time

[ancient surge]

Double check that your game files are in individual folders and come from "redump" databases, just to avoid any bad dumps.

Also I would recommend getting the latest unstable build, since it's much more up to date.

#unstable-nightlies message

[solemn grove]

Saturn seem to in general be some combination of touchier about rips and having a particularly high volume of bad rips floating around

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I didn’t know there was such a thing as a bad rom dump or disc rip until I used the MiSTer. Seems like a lot of people dumped games incorrectly.

And those continue to be shared in perpetuity

[solemn grove]

yeah

[mortal mist]

Redumps only!!!

[solemn grove]

i have discovered a few bad rips I've had for years via the mister heh

[celest lake]

Unless they don't have a redump and then TOSEC (because I think that's the only option?)

[burnt matrix]

I think another “problem” is that emulators capitulate to people complaining about their games not working so they include work arounds for bad dumps.

[warped saddle]

at least the BIN/CUE/MP3 rips have mostly disappeared

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-theory-stone-cold-stone-cold-steve-austin-stunner-wrestlemania38-gif-25294220

sorry

carry on

[solemn grove]

this has become less true over time which is also a big source of people discovering they have bad rips lol

[gloomy hedge]

[solemn grove]

i had a few Saturn games i replaced after recent emus wouldn't boot them

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/toilet-paper-great-mighty-poo-conker's-bad-fur-day-rare-ltd-donkey-kong-universe-gif-629307671828921046

Nothing beats a proper dump

[burnt matrix]

Oh good!

[ember terrace]

With the latest unstable nightly, house of the dead freezes on a black screen after the sega logo

[mortal mist]

yeah,

already reported on github

same for manx tt superbike

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/250

try doing a reset or loading the game after another

[sudden tusk]

It was raw tuna in there

[pine bobcat]

Ah right western-style rolls, it’s been a while since I’ve seen those as they aren’t popular here.

[grizzled lava]

Thank you, erm...um...how do I install it? does it go into the scripts folder or the console folder?

[ancient surge]

You can just put the file into the _Console folder and it should boot up like normal.

But if you want to organize the unstable builds in the future, I would recommend creating a new folder like "_Unstable" on the root of the SD card and put the unstable builds there. They should still function with no issues.

[grizzled lava]

o I see now, excellent, thank you

[burnt matrix]

Make sure you only have one Saturn core in the _Console folder.

It isn’t a problem if you have multiple

But it’ll be confusing to know which to use

[tiny flare]

I tend to leave the stable one because if you delete it it just gets pulled again as soon as you run the update script...

[burnt matrix]

Right, good point

My trick is to rename the latest test core to the last stable so I roll with latest and update doesn’t replace it

[tiny flare]

smart

[tiny flare]

My non SNAX SNAC adaptor finally arrived! Thank you @inner token !

[rotund flare]

Can you try if it works with Area51? For me the trigger only works there, not the start button.

[tiny flare]

Can’t seem to get it to load? Maybe related to the Manx TT/House of the Dead bug?

[rotund flare]

You mean Area51 won't even start up for you? With the latest Saturn beta core? I need to start the core first, then load the BIN/CUE, sometimes reset the Saturn system. I have the region free BIOS btw.

[tiny flare]

yep got it to boot this time after a reset, not sure what was going on before. Seems to work fine, although I'm rubbish at this game and can't figure out how to calibrate the gun, haha

[rotund flare]

Oh wow, so for you the Virtua Gun is working fully with the Saturn core and the SNAC adapter and Area51?? For me only the trigger button works, the start button does not respond. I tried two different Virtua Guns and two different SNAC adapters and tried wiggling the connections. Hmm.. what Saturn core version are you using?

[tiny flare]

the latest unstable, 20240929_15da53

yeah, start seems to work, I can get into a game, struggle to hit some FMV goons and then die

[burnt matrix]

That’s life in a nutshell

[inner token]

Cool that you got it working shig.

[inner token]

After you said you were having trouble with start the other day I tested start and trigger each 50 times in a row. I didn't get any behavior like you and went 50 for 50 on both. Not sure which game I tried.

Are you testing third party lightguns maybe?

[deft ingot]

I searched a bit about it but just in case : at this time it's impossible use more than 2 usb controllers on the saturn core ?

[ancient surge]

It's already supported, you just need to manually set it up in the OSD.

Just remember that Shinobi Legions has a programming bug that causes the game to crash if there are two controllers detected. In The Hunt has a similar issue.

[inner token]

they said more than 2 which I don't think is supported right now.

I think I did an old build that added multitap for usb, let me see if I can find it.

#1046941029296779344 message

it's old though so may not work

[deft ingot]

Thank you 👍

[rotund flare]

Ok, then I will continue to troubleshoot. The Analog IO board IO6 jumper should be on IO and not 3.3V I presume? I have analog IO board rev 6.x. Yes I am using two original Virtua Guns. Tracking (aiming) works and the trigger too. I will try my second MiSTer with analog IO board rev 9.2.

[inner token]

yeah you can leave the jumper on io6. it could be connection problem but I think you said you tried cleaning the connectors. which snac are you using again?

[rotund flare]

This one:
https://ultimatemister.com/product/snac-saturn/
and this one:
https://www.etsy.com/es/listing/1766960566/adaptador-mister-snac-sega-saturn-black?gpla=1&gao=1&

[inner token]

ok thanks, they probably work but I haven't tried them. is there any pics of the ultimate one without the plates?

[rotund flare]

Atm I can't access it, I'm abroad. Thanks for your help though, I will continue my troubleshooting when at home.

[kindred sundial]

Yesterday was my first time trying/testing the Saturn core in depth in awhile. So many games from my library just work now! If there are any differences in Panzer Dragoon or Die Hard Arcade I didn’t notice them

[twin canyon]

how can you not notice them if you noticed it before

[polar mountain]

Some people cant notice properly because they are novice noticers. If you don't let people learn how to notice properly, you will be put on notice.

[twin canyon]

noted

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-i-noticed-you-noticing-me-gif-18692339

[kindred sundial]

Never change Snake

[twin canyon]

never did. never will.

i'm here. i'm there. i walk. i float.

[high bramble]

Slither to and fro...

[ripe valley]

srg320 confirmed he fixed the issue on Rayman 's ending.

For people who aren't following the GitHub issue tracker.

[stiff patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-rejoice-happy-and-there-was-much-rejoicing-gif-15654146

[hearty marten]

Might be a Saturnday today 🤞

[frail token]

badass

[gloomy hedge]

Satunday

[hearty marten]

Yeah, that 😅

[pearl harbor]

Satatunund-day!

[hearty marten]

Not yet 😔

[pearl harbor]

It is in our ❤️ s.

[hearty marten]

At this point I’m actually hoping for a new stable build, just so that more people get to experience the recent updates

[ancient surge]

I wonder if the House of The Dead and Manx TT SuperBike issues are also fixed.

[ripe valley]

I'm not srg320, but I think the fix is much easier than for Rayman.

Should be related to the SH2 changes, if I followed well.

[pulsar mantle]

I feel so sorry for anyone checking for this issue, as Rayman’s last level and last boss are utter bullshit. You guys are doing great things.

[ripe valley]

I know, we suffered.

[forest rivet]

hm, Playing Castlevania syphony of the night as this is apparently the 'best' version and... yeaahhh.. no no it aint...

Theres so much slowdown and the loadtimes are.. oof

[high bramble]

You're playing the wrong version of it. 😉

[pearl harbor]

Nah, it was never the best version. Even the improvement hack isn't as good as the PS1 version.

[forest rivet]

I've got an English patch for it, just so i know what's going on but yea its pretty poor

[pearl harbor]

Though the improvement hack does indeed make it way better than vanilla Saturn SotN.

[forest rivet]

Is that not just the English patch though?

[pearl harbor]

No, there's a much better version out there now. I forget what it's officially called though. I have it on my MiSTer, and it's vastly improved over the old english patch.

[high bramble]

https://www.retrorgb.com/new-saturn-castlevania-sotn-improvement-hack-utilizes-the-4mb-ram-cart-for-fast-loading-smoother-animations-and-more.html

[forest rivet]

I .. think I might have that, but its not in English

[pearl harbor]

For me, the biggest issue with the Saturn version is something that will likely never be fixed—the jank pixel scaling.

[ancient surge]

Wish the SEGA Saturn got an original Castlevania game that better played into the console's strengths.

[forest rivet]

Yeah I dont think that RAM hack. + the English patch are compatable

[trim nimbus]

yeah, I’d rather black bars than the awful scaling

[pearl harbor]

This version:
https://youtu.be/l6Ua3OfYEsg?si=uX1FbIzB463ykj9V

[forest rivet]

Ooooh!

[high bramble]

Wait... what??

Nice!

I need to try that.

[naive whale]

Hey I know that guy

[pearl harbor]

I think I might know the guy that the guy who made that video referenced from the MiSTer Discord in the video!

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-break-gif-6269967204638541467

[polar mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/rayman-rayman-1-funny-face-silly-face-gif-18287401699001800001

[muted cradle]

Let's hope that there will be a new official release soonish (tm) if no new regressions turn up.

All the sound fixes alone are with a new release.

[ripe valley]

I don't feel well at the moment, 'will test the core later.

[mortal mist]

get well soon !

I am still at work for the next 4h, will check core when I get home

[ripe valley]

DAI SEI KOU!
Great success.

The core is the first system after the original hardware to pass all the SCSP tests.

• Rayman is fixed and tested (with only 21 lives...).
• House of the Dead and Manx TT are fixed.

[thorn pagoda]

nice

[polar mountain]

The sound coming out of this core through the speakers of my crt is just fucking luxuriant right now.

Excuse my language.

[mortal mist]

we have come such a long way with each other to be where we are now long live the srg320 !

[visual grove]

Guy is a rockstar, I can’t believe he’s pulled off Saturn on mister

[sudden tusk]

I never doubt it that he could do it!

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-the-unicorn-shun-shun-the-nonbeliever-shuuuuuuun-8bit-gif-4820264

[visual grove]

I did 😂. I signed up on the patreon as soon as he announced thinking it would be good research / initial coding and maybe some future platform would benefit

[sudden tusk]

It truly is a historic day! Perfect Saturn in FPGA form! Rejoice

[visual grove]

Because Saturn emulation seems historically so rough

But he went and did it

[sudden tusk]

Yeah this is why this accomplishment is special .. now we have something to gatekeep that emulation can’t match !

[visual grove]

I love gatekeeping!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ohyeah-oh-yeah-smile-smiling-gif-5019246

[visual grove]

Point me to where I can deliver the shame

[sudden tusk]

Start with Twitter ! Post @theMARS TEAM

I already got spicy off topic covered

[visual grove]

Jokes apart its impressive, wonder what else is left (guess I can look at github)

[hearty marten]

Off the top of my head: Time Gal freezes (might be fixed with SH2 update?); Grandia flickering; Magic Knight Rayearth stuttering intro; Fighters Megamix and Fighting vipers freeze if intro skipped (maybe the SH2 update helped?); Dead or Alive slowdown which gets progressively worse

There might be a few others, but some of those have been quite longstanding (at least relatively)

But @ripe valley is the expert on these matters 😅

[ripe valley]

Expert, expert, say it very quickly.

I've just tested SF Zero 3.

No changes.

Now that we have a very confident accuracy on the SCSP, we could cross a SCSP issue on the list for that matter. It's something else.

[sudden tusk]

I know WWF in your house had sound issues last core .. I’m sure this fixed it

[hearty marten]

Oh, that was the timing issue? I forgot about that

[sudden tusk]

Fuck I gotta get to testing

[hearty marten]

If not, it works well on the PS1 core in the meantime 🙂

[ripe valley]

I can't be everywhere for testing and kuba neither, so I let some of you testing on your side.

And doing tests at home, with a bad flu since yesterday, quite difficult I should say.

[sudden tusk]

Get well soon homie!

[hearty marten]

Take care of yourself. I’ll check out a few things later today 🙂

[sudden tusk]

Same here !

[ripe valley]

I just wanted to be sure on 2-3 things on the core and doing some PR with people on preservation/emulation circles.

We have a complete road for the MiSTer right now.
Better N64 and Saturn on the system, clones are getting there and next batch before the next month.

Better SNES too, don't forget that. I have some people enamored on Analogue systems which tried to down the MiSTer as not accurate as the real hardware and the Super NT on the SA1.

"Say it once again now."

[hearty marten]

On balance I can’t see anything as good as the MiSTer as a whole package

[polar mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[sudden tusk]

Nothing is even close ! Don’t forget Cdi is coming!

[hearty marten]

And Virtual Boy 🤞 ||if I get my way 😂||

[sudden tusk]

You have my support !

https://tenor.com/view/axe-lotr-gif-5532799

Hopefully we won’t need the axe

[hearty marten]

(To be clear I’m just cheerleading for it at the moment. Maybe something more one day in the distant future, if others haven’t picked it up first)

[sudden tusk]

Anything but a 3DO core lol .. jk @naive whale

[naive whale]

lol they forsake me again

[sudden tusk]

Brooo! Are you gonna do a vid about the core surpassing all emulators on the SCSP tests?

[ripe valley]

I'm doing preservation works since 30 years, worked with almost all known teams, pushed some of them breaking the limits too.
Personally, I wanted a system where we could do almost everything, without being enclosed by a system or a limited by video/audio signals.

I have once helped some projects like on the Pi systems, but I've seen some limits and I don't like working with pieces of EmulationStation here, RA there and such.
I've seen RA management destroying or trying to destroy people.
That's not a solution.

That project is here, now, better than ever, we have dedicated people, passionate devs.
So let's do it an even better and I have faith on what will be accomplished.

[naive whale]

Didn’t we already have all those tests passed before?

[ripe valley]

Thanks to everyone here, you're the best.

[ripe valley]

Some tests were added, some extreme cases.

Most for future devs of homebrews.

[sudden tusk]

Not all of em I don’t think

[naive whale]

Ahh. I’ll mention it in a vid. But I have so much MiSTer shit made I need to get out probably not this round

[sudden tusk]

No worries!

[hearty marten]

One new passing one since your last video on this iirc. @naive whale
@ripe valley says this is the first reproduction (not original hardware) to pass all the tests

So it’s a major milestone even if not a massive change from your last video

[ripe valley]

I've tested all the current and WIP Saturn emus, no one could pass it.

I'm in discussion with them right now and sharing some intel+ infos.

[sudden tusk]

That is a milestone for the core and project as a whole for sure

[naive whale]

I’ll mention it next time games improves / features are added. A huge milestone but not a huge narrative milestone if that makes sense

Or I’ll cut it into an existing vid

[hearty marten]

Yeah, gotcha

[ripe valley]

I just hope people like Danthrax, VGE and PCN could help showing that milestone.

We need PR now.

[hearty marten]

@old pasture

[naive whale]

I’ll see what videos I have scheduled. Maybe I’ll chop one up a bit and ship it

[sudden tusk]

You can quote me as saying that “ the project is officially better than any software emulator!”

[naive whale]

Haha and here come the email threats 🤣

[sudden tusk]

“Unequivocally better than anything else “

[naive whale]

I guess I could move NGPC to tomorrow and do something Saturn tonight into an existing vid

[sudden tusk]

Up to you broskie!

I’d watch either way

[ripe valley]

Don't rush, do it your way.

[hearty marten]

Henceforth we don’t use the e-word. Take a leaf out of Analogue’s books - if only to keep Nintendo’s lawyers away 😂

[naive whale]

haha that is my way...I always keep work tucked away I can amend on the fly

otherwise I could never keep the schedule I do with new cores. Especially during the dueling Saturn / N64 era

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cameraman-director-hand-crank-video-camera-recording-filming-gif-20929435

[hearty marten]

https://youtu.be/C2XUJ5PWg-8

[sudden tusk]

https://youtu.be/NFutge4xn3w?si=9HCpbMe9GmLtZxK6

[hearty marten]

The music I imagine is playing in the background as the MiSTer devs do their work 😂

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/grandmas-boy-jp-computer-gamer-gif-21218803

How I imagine devs

[naive whale]

found the perfect video to amend

a "perfect game" vid I made and haven't shown yet

[lofty spire]

i've seen my dad do programming homework when i was a young boy. i know exactly what the devs look like: exhausted, stressed, and just constantly yelling when shit doesn't work lmao

[hearty marten]

Please splice in a new VO with an entirely different voice, like in the Simpsons 😄

[old pasture]

Wudda miss?

I've been a bit busy with work, so haven't been able to give Saturn the love it deserves in the channel.

My buddy @naive whale has it covered very comprehensively though.

[naive whale]

I knew I had something I could use and stored away that would not fundamentally change

[naive whale]

you missed the fact I am changing VGE to an exclusive beans tasting and review channel

[lofty spire]

but then they get an update working and go "oh that wasn't so bad"

[old pasture]

Beans, beans good for the heart. The more you eat, the more you fart.

[hearty marten]

Just that the Saturn core is the first thing that’s not official hardware to pass all of the SCSP tests.

[sudden tusk]

Here’s the headline “ MiSTer project officially and objectively better than anything else out there !”

[naive whale]

lol you wait to see the comments and who gets mad about that

[sudden tusk]

Quote me on it bro !

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-cooper-why-gif-7590449

How I see devs.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hype-flow-star-wars-sheev-palpatine-gif-14597278

[old pasture]

#MiSTerisKing 👑

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[sudden tusk]

#MiSTerSupremacy !

[ripe valley]

I see, you are as joyful as I am right now after that achievement.

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-its-been-a-long-time-rose-dewitt-bukater-titanic-gloria-stuart-gif-16850506

[high bramble]

#MiSTerMasterRace

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tina-belcher-bobs-burgers-uhhh-umm-looking-worried-gif-25869455

[ripe valley]

Don't do elitism either, MiSTer should be for everyone as possible.

Next step for me, helping some disabled friends with their future MiSTer systems and doing some quality-of-life possible improvements if necessary.

[naive whale]

ill be using the BEST Sega Saturn game ever released for the video

[sudden tusk]

For sure but we need to portray an aura of superiority in order to appeal to a wider base lol I’m jk btw

[naive whale]

ELEVATOR ACTION RETURNS

[ripe valley]

I must say Virtual Hydlide.

[sudden tusk]

Legit I wanna get MiSTers in schools

[lofty spire]

using mister made me realize that all the software emulators i've used were like... fine but clearly missing something

[ripe valley]

We can't ditch some emulators though.
Without Mesen, bsnes, DuckStation, Dolphin and some others, we would not have some homebrew games.

Without Gens, we would not have SGDK for the Mega Drive.

[sudden tusk]

Wish you could port the best software emus to MiSTer

[hearty marten]

Each definitely has its place and value

[ripe valley]

I've talked to Stephane Dallongeville last week, master of the masters on the MD.
Very humble.

[sudden tusk]

And I’m sure all the research that comes out of the core is gonna eventually help software emu devs achieve the same results as the project

[ripe valley]

And he works now for NERD at Nintendo Europe, doing the MD official emu for the Switch.

[high bramble]

If not for those, what would Robby do with all of his Raspberry Pis?

[sudden tusk]

Well ima get to testing ! Good day all! I’ll report back with any findings

[ripe valley]

Good luck.

[hearty marten]

Don’t worry, he’d still be scraping metadata even if he didn’t have an emulator

[ripe valley]

I need to talk with some people at Screenscraper one day, their servers are lacking and they need SysOps.

[hearty marten]

I kind of want to set up some kind of Rube Goldberg machine which uses a Pi with emulation station to create a frontend which can be used to create and then present a TapTo card to a MiSTer - complete with robot arms etc to do the movement 😂

[celest lake]

If you linux this hard you are apt to pull something

[balmy crag]

File this under things that might just be one user’s imagination, but does anyone else think DoA is running slower on this build?

[ancient surge]

Been an issue for a long time.

[balmy crag]

Slow yes, but I’ve tested it on most builds, and this one seemed slower. Again, could be my imagination that this is a regression

[mortal mist]

it changes from build to build

Once it is better once it is worse, sometimes I have slowdowns only after a few fights. Until this problem is completely solved, I wouldn't attach that much importance to it.

[hardy lodge]

Grandia still flickers 🫡

[lofty spire]

i think the Grandia flickering issue was discovered to be based on what SD card you use?

[mortal mist]

Cards of the same brand work differently for different people.

[lofty spire]

computers' haunted

[ripe valley]

It's a MiSTery.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dumm-gif-21398394

[ripe valley]

Great public here today, what a joy.

[sudden tusk]

Wwf in your house still has sound issues .. can anyone confirm ? Maybe I just have a crappy rip

[upper dust]

FWIW - Grandia over USB storage has been fine for me

[ripe valley]

Try with another dump, just to be sure.

[sudden tusk]

Fighters mega mix still freezes if you let the intro cutscene play out

[ripe valley]

All other emus have the same issue, no fix found even after all those years.

[sudden tusk]

Oh wow!

Well gameplay is smooth as butter!

[naive whale]

exported a special edition Saturn vid for 4

[bleak escarp]

I'm at work and can't test is the Fighters Megamix/Fighting Vipers lag fixed yet?

Nevermind I scrolled up 😂

[eternal mantle]

Fighters Megamix is the same here, still lots of slowdows during the fight. Testing on single Sdram core.

[naive whale]

yeah if any games have improved @ me so I can get them into a fugure vid

[ripe valley]

@ancient surge Is it possible to retest Pyon Pyon Kyaruru no Mahjong Biyori ? Just to see if the changes from Battle Garegga could have changed something on that game too ?

[sudden tusk]

Grandia smoke

[ancient surge]

Give me a few minutes, I'm just about to have lunch.

[naive whale]

@sudden tusk momma's named lunch?

I didnt know!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

What?

[naive whale]

you'll get it eventually

[ripe valley]

Take all the time you want, we're not in a rush, even if it's a crazy day for the MiSTer community.

[pearl harbor]

I leave for a few hours (for them sleep purposes), and I return to another Saturnday!? Bless srg320 and of course Sega Sanshiro! 🔥 🔥

[hearty marten]

Never sleep!

[pearl harbor]

Never again!

[hearty marten]

To remaining Saturn core bugs: 1, 2, srg320’s coming for you, 3, 4 better lock your door…

[ancient surge]

@ripe valley I can confirm the glitch in Pyon Pyon Mahjong still happens.

[ripe valley]

Don't sleep, don't blink.

[severe whale]

I discovered there’s a patch to run Cotton 2 in full screen. I have no idea why the devs didn’t implement it

[visual grove]

Wait is cotton boomerang not full screen?

[severe whale]

Cotton 2

I was today years old to discover this absurdity

[ancient surge]

Normally Cotton 2 is surrounded by a black border.

Cotton Boomerang has the same issue.

[visual grove]

I just played it a couple weeks ago and didn’t even notice / remember 😅

It’s cinematic that way or something

[severe whale]

It’s not super noticeable as in some other games

But once you see it you can’t unsee it

found this neat little website with loads of patches for widescreen, increased resolution etc https://meduza-team.ucoz.net/publ/romkhaking/modifikacii/modifikacija_igr_dlja_sega_saturn/3-1-0-5

its in russian but you can translate through the webbrowser

[visual grove]

I can’t use Russian hacks in my Ukrainian core!

[sudden tusk]

Alien trilogy has sound issues 😦

Astal sounds amazing though

Battle monsters playing better than ever

[mortal mist]

No issues for me

I have completed 13 levels , I am already in section 2-1

[ripe valley]

No issue for me too.

[sudden tusk]

Ok cool. Gonna have to find different dumps

[soft goblet]

Okay, that was really weird... just started a game of Shining Force 3 Scenario 1 on the latest unstable.. loaded my save data (on the train) and every single attack caused confusion on both my characters and enemies. Loaded the stable instead, no issue, all normal. Loaded unstable again, still all normal.. it's like the randomizer got stuck before

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-the-cotton-candy-glob-cotton-candy-scooby-doo2monsters-unleashed-scooby-doo-movie-gif-25477634

[mortal mist]

What sound problems do you have in this game ?

[sudden tusk]

The announcers tend to glitch out

[mortal mist]

Yeah , same for me

[ancient surge]

WWF In Your House is one of the games that might have CHD compatibility issues, so double check with BIN/CUE files instead.

[mortal mist]

i use only bin/cue

[sudden tusk]

Same

[drifting crown]

This is the way.

[muted cradle]

That list of CHD incompatible games should definitely be added to the readme.md

[pearl harbor]

Well I bin using CHD, so there! 😤

[tiny flare]

Cue laugh track

[sharp dove]

Most accurate test yet, huh - so what's left?

[naive whale]

Saturnday over on #share-media just like you wanted @sudden tusk

[ancient surge]

480i is still probably the big one. It's not implemented correctly, so it gets misinterpreted as a progressive scan image. Most notably seen over analog.

There are also still games with miscellaneous bugs. Maybe VDP1 and VDP2 timings need to be further polished?

[sudden tusk]

CHD= CHODE FILE

[sharp dove]

Last time I tried to play Pandemonium and it was pretty slow ingame

[ripe valley]

That's fixed.

[sharp dove]

Oh. That's good to know

[ripe valley]

You should be suprised by all the changes since then.

Even people using the current stable core version (ahem Joe from Gamesack ahem) should be surprised too with the last unstable version.

[sharp dove]

Guess I'll test things out~

[ripe valley]

SEGA Rally, Elevator Action, Panzer Dragoon series could be some quite good examples now.

Keio 2 is one of the most significant on the sound department too.

[ripe valley]

CHD == See, HD!

[ancient surge]

I think there are still sound issues though, mainly on the CDDA side of things.

I know the inaccuracies on the CDDA was a known issue a while back.

Like some games have sound mixing issues where the audio is more quiet than it should be, typically stuff like vocal songs in the intros to certain games.

[sudden tusk]

I have become the sega Saturn …

https://tenor.com/view/virtua-fighter-sega-lau-chan-vf-yu-suzuki-gif-13859372

[wise brook]

gonna play some more virtua cop with my newly upgraded Virtua Gun methinks

that micro-switch mod is sublime

[naive whale]

Sorry last Saturn vid ever @sudden tusk the people have spoken 🤣

[visual grove]

How dare you

[naive whale]

I really wish “suck my d***” was an acceptable response on YT lol

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-second-please-eric-cartman-south-park-s3e4-e304-gif-21551405

[ancient surge]

"Now I am become SEGA Saturn, the destroyer of PlayStations"

[gloomy hedge]

you did this so wrong man

the correct answer was

"no I dont"

and then he goes nuh uh

and you go yuh huh

[ancient surge]

You should of posted another video out of spite.

[gloomy hedge]

and then you go nuh uh and he says yuh huh]

and its checkmate

[visual grove]

Aktane knows how to “drive engagement”

He can be your new socials manager

[gloomy hedge]

oh yeah for sure drive engagement || into the ground ||

[hearty carbon]

You should post your previous video, with an addendum of that person's post, and then a 45 minute response defending your position inviting them to post their own video response or shut the fuck up.

[wise brook]

One thing I will recommend, watch out for modifying the blue version of the gun. The plastic always seems to be more brittle with it.

[gloomy hedge]

good god

I thought this dude posted a gun

[sudden tusk]

@naive whale

[gloomy hedge]

like

[naive whale]

I love when people say “you need to stop making MiSTer vids. Nobody cares” (checks stats. Yes they very much do care 🤣)

[gloomy hedge]

ok bacon you cant shoot teh guy

[naive whale]

lol yeah those are gonna get auto deleted

[gloomy hedge]

lmao

bacon tacos are good

just not in this particular instance

[naive whale]

Haha wow one made it through

[hearty carbon]

pin thissssss

[gloomy hedge]

eat all our FPGAsses

[visual grove]

TBF Taco would have written that even if he said something positive

[gloomy hedge]

hahahahaha

[visual grove]

That’s a Taco ‘hello’

[gloomy hedge]

"GREAT VIDEO"
"EAT MY ASS"

[sharp dove]

Use instead "Judo Throws You like Segata Sanshiro" as a response

[wise brook]

anyone else got themselves a snac adapter for saturn or did y’all accidentally pick up a snax version?

[naive whale]

I do wish gifs worked on YT

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-focus-looking-serious-gif-16717256

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/alf-count-me-in-im-in-ill-join-im-down-gif-25999667

[tiny flare]

I went ahead and just ordered a SNAC as well lol

Can confirm it works beautifully

[wise brook]

weirdly, i find the gun works slightly better on MiSTer than original hardware.
aiming at the corner of the tube is more accurate & reliable

maybe a capacitor issue with aging hardware

[ripe valley]

No DrNoBrazil so far on VGE video of today, strange.

[wise brook]

nah Brazil is too busy being back on Twitter today

[ripe valley]

Ah, yes.

[high bramble]

It's not? 😲

[naive whale]

lol it’ll get deleted. Then I get shit from YT

There are like 100 ways to piss YT off and then you get slow rolled on reach until some imaginary moment when they drop the grudge

[errant crown]

Anyone have an idea why SNAC isn’t working for me on the Saturn core?

I’m using the SNAX adapter.

N64 SNAC works perfectly fine for me.

[wise brook]

there’s your problem

[high bramble]

SNAX no worky.

[errant crown]

Oh?

[high bramble]

Need non-SNAX apparently.

[errant crown]

Huh… I looked up and saw previous posts about people using it.

[wise brook]

you just need one that’s been built to spec

[errant crown]

Did compatibility break after an update or something?

[errant crown]

Which one do you recommend?

[wise brook]

no snax compatibility was broken from the production line

[wise brook]

my own i guess

[errant crown]

Link plz?

[wise brook]

i don’t make to sell

[errant crown]

OH, whoops, I thought you were promoting lol

Do you know the best one that is for sale?

[wise brook]

best is a bit of a meme, the one at ultimate mister looks fine

[errant crown]

Gotcha

[wise brook]

costs 2x what i’d pay for it tho

[errant crown]

Oh, isn’t that a UK site?

Oof, that’ll take a while to get here

[mystic hazel]

Out of curiosity what light gun Saturn games is everyone excited for? I see a lot of Virtua cop but I can play that on my PS2. I really want to play HOTD but have heard the Saturn port is rough

[wise brook]

it’s a little ugly sure but it plays well

[wise brook]

spotted a european seller but he seems to have removed the credits to the creator so f him with a stick

had a look on etsy, no joy there either

[errant crown]

Damn, I just tried my regular SNAC adapter, and that doesn’t work either

[wise brook]

made by the same guy?

[errant crown]

Yeh

Mister Addons

[inner token]

are you using a blissbox saturn cable?

[errant crown]

Don’t think I’ve ever bought Blissbox

It’s the one they sell at Mister Addons

[inner token]

ok that should work. another thing the connector can be funky so you might try not plugging the saturn peripheral all the way in.

[errant crown]

Gotcha

I did have a weird issue where it would randomly press Start without me doing anything

Does it only matter if SNAC is turned on in the core?

Or do I need to also disable Port 1 and 2?

[inner token]

just turn on snac and it should act as port 1 and detect whatever you have connected

what are you trying?

[errant crown]

Tried not plugging my controller all the way in

Setup looks like this

This time, without touching my controller, it automatically skipped the boot animation and the opening cutscene. Hmm.

Using the dual SDRAM core, if that makes any difference

[inner token]

what io board do you have? analog 6.1 has a jumper that might need set to io6 next to the user port.

on megadrive core start/c wouldn't work without that set for example

[errant crown]

Pfff can’t remember, got my DE10 nano in 2019 IIRC

Oh, IO board

That one’s a Digital IO board I got a couple years ago

I’ll check to see which one I have

I got my IO board in early 2022. Can’t find out what revision it is.

[inner token]

marking is probably under fan cable.

jumper is under led on digital i think

[errant crown]

My fan cable is unfortunately long gone, since I use a passively cooled case

Or, do you mean on that spot on the board?

OK, I’ll check

[errant crown]

Says it’s v1.2

The jumper is on that exact spot, too

[inner token]

ok you should be set and ready to go. The saturn cable should work with the single port snac or snax with a regular saturn pad if that's what you were trying.

[errant crown]

The one I’ve been using is a 3rd party one, the S-Bom Joycard

Dunno if that makes a difference

[inner token]

it could do something weird, maybe try others.

if you have genesis cable you could try it in MD core to confirm all io are working

[errant crown]

I unfortunately don’t, since I use my 8BitDo Genesis controller for that core. Hmm…

I do have a RetroBit Saturn controller, but I disassembled it and can’t find all the pieces

OK now, the up, left, and right buttons work

Interesting, L is read as Start, and the B button keeps automatically being pressed

Lemme check my Saturn 3D pad

Saturn 3D pad doesn’t work

@inner token What adapter do you use?

[visual grove]

SNAC should be fine, it’s the SNAX line with multi controller support that needs a modification to work but they can work as well: https://misteraddons.com/blogs/news/saturn-stunner

[merry raptor]

The Saturn core seems to have made some impressive progress last time I checked.

[visual grove]

Err and to be clear you won’t get multi gun with SNAX even after the fix

Not enough pins for snac + segas implementation makes it not doable

[inner token]

i tried snax with regular pad, he's just talking about stunner working with snax there

[errant crown]

Where do you recommend I get these resistors?

[visual grove]

I buy all my passives from digikey so probably where I’ll order them when I get around to it. But I placed an order yesterday with them so bad timing 😅

Might wait until I have a couple more things to get because of ship

It’ll be like pennies worth of resistors and then $10 shipping

[inner token]

I'm glad he wrote that up though for people with snax who want to use stunner.

[visual grove]

Yup it’s clear info for anyone who can do it.

[inner token]

there's a controller test rom @errant crown I'd say mess with the connection, leave a mm or 2 gap between controller adapter and saturn peripheral while running that.

3d pad has been reported working

[errant crown]

Cool, thanks. I’ll test when I get back home.

[tiny flare]

I’ve been using the single port SNAC from MiSTerAddons, which works perfectly for the Virtua Gun

Previously I was using their 2-port SNAX which was working fine for regular and 3D pad, but yeah doesn’t work for the virtua gun

[errant crown]

@inner token Thanks for sharing that file! Apparently with Snax at least, the controller port has to be at a very specific sweet spot, or otherwise it won’t read or just mess up all the buttons. I’ve gotten it to recognize my 3D pad, but haven’t gotten any of the buttons to work yet.

[tiny flare]

Oh I should mention when I ordered the SNAC I also grabbed one of the improved Saturn dongles (it calls this out on the store page now). Checks out, it really is improved, no need to wiggle the controller port around to get it to make good contact anymore

[warm mica]

Is there a script to update Saturn core with the latest unstable build?

[errant crown]

Thanks for letting me know, I’ll order one of those right away.

I think this is gonna replace my console soon, at least for the most part. Not having to deal with the finicky cartridge slot and getting per-game saves is a huge plus.

Plus, no having to replace the battery once a year.

[tiny flare]

Yeah this has killed my desire to mod my Saturn at all, previously was considering getting and ODE and stuff like that

[errant crown]

The PS1 core already replaced my PS1. The N64 has mostly replaced my N64. Especially with the turbo core.

Who knows if the Saturn would’ve used memory cards if it had released a year or so later.

I mean, the Saturn technically did, if you count those save data cartridges, but only certain games supported them.

[tiny flare]

The system level save memory was actually quite forward looking, it was just too early - a few years later Xbox would have a HDD, which is pretty much the ideal version of that, until now where we have fast and readily available non-volatile flash memory

[severe whale]

Is the mouse support implemented fully? I got the impression that it might need some updates?

Now let’s hope the 480i support is implemented and we are wrapping up!