Sega Saturn

[burnt matrix]

plz report lightgun missing

[mortal mist]

skybox fixed 🙂

[naive whale]

I’ll have to spin up a vid for tomorrow or Monday but currently our toilet is leaking all it’s water onto the bathroom floor from the bottom. Happy F’ing Saturday!

[hardy lodge]

I always knew water based toilets would be our downfall. What was so wrong about digging a deep hole for ones business?

[analog totem]

yay! Probably time for a new wax ring I’m guessing

[wise brook]

Grandia textures still glitching

i’ll make a unique issue report for it soon

[native dagger]

Toss out the window like the middle ages

[mortal mist]

@ripe valley cotton 2 is still broken

This time left side 😂

[winter phoenix]

Nooooooo Cotton

[winter phoenix]

Do you have a screenshot of how it looked before?

[polar mountain]

My favourite was yippie ki yay- kimosabe

[mortal mist]

In the previous core this error was on the right side

[hardy lodge]

Gardy Loo!

[winter phoenix]

I meant Panzer 2

(Or I thought that’s what you meant there)

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/198

[wise brook]

a game no one but me has touched is also fixed

[winter phoenix]

Nice, thanks

[wise brook]

the kanji in nanatsu no hikan displayed garbled

looks like the hi-res fix has carried over to that

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sheit-well-damn-shoot-gif-14886314

Reopening the issue with your last screenshot, I was only checking the right side.

[wise brook]

i fired up grandia in an older core 2024/03/23

not only is there issues with the textures flickering in the last few cores

but the frame rate took a hit

[naive whale]

Probably. Not how I wanted to spend Saturday 😫

[pearl harbor]

It's Saturnday! Yeaaaahh ||fat|| baby!

[untold spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isdaA1yAgbk

[thorn pagoda]

happy saturnday

[tawny forge]

Core is finished! Mods please close this channel!

[ancient surge]

Still waiting for that 480i over analog to be fixed.

[mortal mist]

With core 20240323 Grandia works ok ?

[sacred goblet]

Vdp1/ Vdp2 seems to be very complete now. I think sounds need some works to finish. But honnestly the core is incredible.

[ripe valley]

The bug on Street Fighter Collection gallery is known to be quite insane to fix on SW emulation.

It requires the complete & exact VDP2 VRAM cycle pattern registers + timings.

Congrats to srg320 for fixing it.

[wise brook]

yes

[mortal mist]

the flickering only occurs in the location you posted on github ?

[wise brook]

nah, lots of places effected, and the slowdown/lowered frame rate is ever present

want a save file?

Currently making a wire harness for my fight stick

[mortal mist]

I can't reproduce the flicker for now

[wise brook]

i’ll fire up my 2nd MiSTer and see

[mortal mist]

Speed is quite ok , some slowdowns in the city

I have not yet encountered any texture flicker

[wise brook]

i spotted the flicker in the opening scene

gotta speed run thru the treasure hunt to get back to that spot on MiSTer 2

[mortal mist]

Ok I've already got an hour and 38min of game time , as for me it's ok 🙂

I will check the opening scene again

[mortal mist]

No flickering here

[mortal mist]

🤷

[wise brook]

ooohh the english patch version is the one with the issues mayhaps

[mortal mist]

I never test patch versions of games

[wise brook]

look, my japanese is toddler grade

but this is useful information

[mortal mist]

I will check eng patch version

Intro works fine

[ancient surge]

Maybe it's a bad dump or a RAM timing issue.

[mortal mist]

Ok for now I am not able to see any differences between the patched version and the standard version

[burnt matrix]

I don’t like the Saturn core

[mortal mist]

Me too

[burnt matrix]

I LOVE IT!!!

[untold spear]

is the one bugging out a chd file

[mortal mist]

Tried single and dualsdram, Grandia works ok

[pearl harbor]

Well I'm in love with it! Beat that!

[mortal mist]

I only have bin/cue , do you use chd @wise brook ?

[ripe valley]

Gimme a moment if you need some tests on Grandia

[cursive tree]

This core is so great! Hope that a new 32X build is on its away too

[ripe valley]

No changes on the SH2 part, so unlikely

[burnt matrix]

I cannot, you win!

[mortal mist]

Ok I'm done testing Grandia, I haven't seen any flashing textures in over 2 hours of playing

[burnt matrix]

Nice! I’ll finally play Grandia even though I own the PS1 version and bought the Switch port 😂

[mortal mist]

Great game 🙂

[burnt matrix]

People say the Saturn version is the best so I guess it works out for me

[ripe valley]

No flickering issue for me on the CHD translated version.

[mortal mist]

Thanks for checking

Same for me , works fine

[ripe valley]

I tried with the BIN/CUE version too with the translation.

[wise brook]

interesting interesting

[ripe valley]

But only with the Dual SDRAM system.

[wise brook]

as mentioned it did work on earlier core revisions

[mortal mist]

I tried with single too

[wise brook]

and now it doesn’t with my particular copy. i’ll make a fresh one

i thought i’d found a particular edge case

i mean technically i must have if the same file produces 2 different results based on core revision

i will go thru core revisions to find when this happened exactly

it might be of some use to srg

again to reiterate i’ve got 2 MiSTer one with 3.0 & one with 2.9 ram both functioning perfectly otherwise

and most importantly

thank you all and especially @mortal mist for looking into this

[mortal mist]

🍻 I wanted to replicate it a lot, it's easier when the problem occurs for more people. I have also had such problems when for me something didn't work , and for others it was ok

[ancient surge]

The only issue I'm noticing with Grandia so far is just the bugged 480i over analog/direct video, which is a problem every game has at the moment.

[worn ore]

I've tried like 7 different BIOSes for Saturn and all of them output dirty artifacted video, is that because I don't have dual RAM ?

[mortal mist]

Nope , should work fine with single

What version of sdram do you have?

Share photos of how it looks

[worn ore]

Is there a way within the mister console to see this or do i need to open it up ?

[mortal mist]

You need to open it

[worn ore]

i got it from retrocastle if that tells us what kind of ram it should have

[mortal mist]

If you bought recently it is probably 2.9 or 3.0

[flat sedge]

Depends more on the date of purchase I guess

[drifting frigate]

Are you KIDDING me Sega Rally?

[mortal mist]

Have you done a ram test?

[ancient surge]

Is it one of those four chip RAM modules? Those don't work with the SEGA Saturn core.

[mortal mist]

Retr castle sells standard sdram

I would do a sdram test

[worn ore]

Official 128MB SDRAM V3.0 module (single SDRAM only) is what hte listing says

[ancient surge]

Yeah that is definately not normal.

[worn ore]

psx/n64/nes/snes/sms work fine

could it be my saturn bios file ? that's the one that's hard to confirm which one is gonna work with mister or a given game file

[pearl harbor]

This is how I felt trying to beat the clock in the arcade version! It's brutal! But I did finally beat it recently

[ripe valley]

Fighting Vipers seems to work more fluid on the last release.
Dead or Alive have less slowdowns too (only mostly when a character wants to stand up after falling).
Not perfect but playable now.

I need to check with BIN/CUE versions later.

[mortal mist]

Yeah , played Dead or Alive (bin/cue) works better, occasional minor slowdowns

[ripe valley]

No changes on Time Gal & Ninja Hayate.

[worn ore]

Memtest at 160hz, the red "errors" number field is always full of letters and numbers, i don't think that's good

[drifting crown]

No wonder VGE is always slamming your ability in his Saturn vids

[drifting frigate]

Those who can, do. Those who can't kvetch.

My saturn captures are usually awful because I'm using an 8bitDo Ultimate on my capture MiSTer, which SUCKS for saturn mapping.

C on a shoulder. Yuck

[mortal mist]

Yeah , It's not good

[worn ore]

errors go away if i go down to around 140

[drifting crown]

I think you’re alright though

[mortal mist]

Use auto mode

Controls (keyboard)
Up - increase frequency
Down - decrease frequency
Enter - reset the test
C - on 128MB module switches between chips.
A - auto mode, detecting the maximum frequency for module being tested. Test starts from maximum frequency. With every error frequency will be decreased.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, on some games I'm pretty decent. This was an OK run overall. But I hit two walls on the back end of the 2nd course, which is just unrecoverable against the clock.

[worn ore]

automode is down to 122hz, does this suggest faulty sdram ?

lol, it just push down to 90, seems to be stable at 90

[mortal mist]

For Saturn this is not enough

Your ram is faulty

[worn ore]

I'll contact the vendor, the listing doesn't explicitly state the ram frequency so i'm not sure if it's the product's fault or mine for not buying the right thing

[ancient surge]

Yeah SEGA Saturn core is really picky with the RAM by design. So your problem is not unique in the slightest.

[mortal mist]

Board should pass at least 130 MHz clock

More is better

I have three sdram 2.9 and they hold from 143 to 145 , Saturn works ok

[worn ore]

is dual ram needed for saturn ?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[wise brook]

lads

5hours well spent

the crimps were surprisingly easy

[worn ore]

I dunno if I should expect customer service on this sort of item, perhaps, any specific sdram kits you can suggest I can just buy ?

[mortal mist]

Yes , you should file a complaint , such sdram speed is out of specification

It's not normal

[worn ore]

This could also explain why NeoGeo/Genesis don't work, NeoGeo just loads a black screen with a green box and sometimes i can see like stars flying by behind the green box

[mortal mist]

Yeah , contact your retailer

Retrocastle is ok 🙂

I think there will be no problem with the replacement

[worn ore]

Thanks so much kuba, i'll stop wasting time trying to fix it with settings and assume the ram is the last problem i'll encounter :p

[mortal mist]

No prob

Send photo of sdram tests to retrocastle

Let us know how it went

[green swift]

I think Die Hard Arcade might’ve had a regression. The core hangs right before the main antagonist pisses and moans about finding the president’s daughter.

[next bronze]

I find it funny how he's dressed as a Caveman in the sequel (Dynamite Cop/Dynamite Deka 2).

[mortal mist]

It's known

The game loads for about 1 minute before that cutscene

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/191

[naive whale]

Lol what? I only ever critique @drifting frigate when he runs his wife off the road in Sega Rally 2P captures and then claims a win

[prisma wraith]

first try taking the ram out and re-seating it to ensure its snug, and then running the test again perhaps. (if you havent tried this yet)

if you have tried it, definitely ask for an exchange because that is not to spec

[burnt matrix]

omg the intro is fixed!

[wise brook]

i do love me some Tenchi

testing testing testing Grandia

i didn’t know that renaming a bin/cue would cause it to not load

3 different copies of Grandia with this issue now

one pre-patched

one i made myself with the SSP utility

every time

[ripe valley]

Your MiSTer is haunted.

[wise brook]

also gotta make a new .sav because it didn’t like the old file it seems

[mortal mist]

I found something similar 🤪

[wise brook]

nah, two haunted MiSTer just toocoincidental

[serene thunder]

well the cue file would need to be edited to reflect the new filenames, no?

[mortal mist]

I can't drive with one hand 🤪

[ripe valley]

F1 Challenge ?

[mortal mist]

Yes

Monte Carlo course

The problem arises in the tunnel

[ripe valley]

I can't test at the moment; either someone else could test it too, or I should check it tomorrow.

[wise brook]

you best start believing in haunted MiSTers

https://tenor.com/view/barbossa-ghost-stories-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-4417514950033771202

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-kiss-gif-9193635882300784136

[ripe valley]

Yes

[burnt matrix]

dumb question but did you also rename the referenced bin in the cue file?

[wise brook]

yah

[burnt matrix]

wow that's weird then

[wise brook]

but with both bin cue files renamed to match , crash straight to dash, bios wouldn’t play it’s animation

[burnt matrix]

maybe there's a weird character in there like a tabbed space

oh damn

[river wing]

@mortal mist It's my first time looking at the official memory test.
It's supposed to run automatically, right?
I mean: without intervention, it simply decreases the frequency (yellow number on the upper-right part of the screen) as it encounters errors, is that correct?
Then, for how much time should I leave it on for reliable results?

[stiff patrol]

it can run in both auto and manual

Auto us best

and yes the frequency in top right will be dropped until no errors occur

once you reach a frequency that isnt giving errors let it run for 10-20 mins

if the frequency goes below 130 your ram is toast

[river wing]

Ah, seems I had missed the docs in https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MemTest_MiSTer

Thanks @stiff patrol

[stiff patrol]

Good quality ram normally will run at > 140

my 2.9 runs at 150 but its a freak, Ie I got lucky in the silicon lottery

my 2.5 runs at 143

[river wing]

My 2.9 seems to have stabilized at 145 (it's been 10 minutes, I will leave it running a couple of hours)

[stiff patrol]

145 is fine

wierd thing is a slower 2.9 can perform better than a fast 2.5

[river wing]

It's from RetroCastle, been great so far!
Previously I had Antonio Villena's 4 chip, which was a total mess: even SNES core had problems.

[stiff patrol]

4 chip ram was a wierd decision by AV

[river wing]

He is still selling 4 chips RAM, even if he knows about the problems it causes.
He isn't a trusty seller for me anymore, and gained bad reputation in the spanish community because of that and other similar scams.

[stiff patrol]

sad thing is Ironclad used them too

so it tainted ironclad

[river wing]

Wow 😦

[stiff patrol]

I think they have switched back to 2 chip now

[river wing]

I feel sad for everybody who had to suffer Villena's bad tactics 😦
They certainly tainted the community as a whole. I hope he gets what he deserves.

[ripe valley]

I can confirm the issue on my two MiSTer systems with your indications.
We have a flickering also when the camera is spinning to the vehicle on the START line.

Same for SEGA Rally when the camera is spinning for the last second around the vehicle after passing the FINISH line on the first level.
Les severe than the previous build but remain present.

EDIT : I see only now that you already opened an issue on the tracker.

[mortal mist]

Thank you for confirming

In Sega Rally, I don't see any flickering anymore

[mortal mist]

Sorry for the lack of response, I was sleeping off

[river wing]

Hey don't worry at all! You are one of the best comrades on this discord, I hope you slept well! 🙂

Well, my SDRAM (2.9 from RetroCastle) seems to have stabilized at 143 after 1+1/2 hours

That's good isn't it?

[mortal mist]

Yeah , i have 2.9 stabale at 143 works great

[river wing]

Good! Testing however makes it "hot as a girlfriend" as we say here in Spain 😄

[wise brook]

stable MiSTer main now contains all Saturn fixes

Sorg just posted on Patreon

[mortal mist]

nice!

[quick sorrel]

How does one say that in Spanish? You know, for knowledge and stuff.

😅😎

[ripe valley]

At 0:12, on the low left part of the video, showing the ground.
I need to check on a real hardware.

EDIT : At 0:08 on the car spoiler too.

[river wing]

Caliente como una novia 😄

[mortal mist]

I doubt it's a core issue

I have seen the same thing on various gameplays

[ripe valley]

The car spoiler doesn't seem normal, the ground seems normal.

[mortal mist]

We'll see, maybe after the F1 fix , the spoiler will stop flashing 🙂

[tiny flare]

I’d need to fish out my Saturn, and it’s PAL it may not be comparable, but I do remember some slight artifacts on the car spoiler at the end of race camera sometimes, but nothing quite that severe

[ripe valley]

Can confirm on real hardware, the spoiler isn't correct, the ground is.
Seems to be the same problem, you're right.

[tiny flare]

Probably just ye olde “this console has no z buffer” stuff

[ripe valley]

That's just subtle to see.

[quick sorrel]

Gracias 😉

[river wing]

Living in Spain and meeting girls I presume? 😄

Not a great phrase to say them unless you have a good level of... friendship

[quick sorrel]

Nah~ got Spanish speaking friends and I try to learn fun phrases every now and then 😎

Mostly Peruvian and Bolivian

So maybe the phrase won’t work - sometimes Spain Spanish doesn’t come across the ocean so well

[river wing]

Ah! yes, and the phrase itself is used in Extremadura, a region of Spain, so maybe it's unknown to other spanish-speaking countries

Spanish is truly unique, I don't think any other language has something like "me cago en la leche puta!" as a phrase to swear. (Which means "I crap on the f**ng milk!"). Makes no sense, no one here thinks about it but it's constantly used.

[quick sorrel]

Haha I know there are others I’ve heard that I’ve tried to make sense of but caraho ~ 🤪

[river wing]

carajo is more an argentine expression. In Spain we use "cojones" for the same.

[quick sorrel]

Lots of different Spanish makes it hard to keep track of 😜

[mortal mist]

Some effects are broken now in Pandemonium

Core 20240504

Core 20240423

[zealous karma]

I don’t see the difference

[mortal mist]

Vertical stripes, blue glow

[ancient surge]

I see it. There are vertical lines that shouldn't be there.

[mortal mist]

I think srg320 doesn't like us 🤣

[mortal mist]

in Burning Rangers I see a lot of flickering on the windows

maybe related to F1 bug

@ripe valley could you check on Saturn ? it's first mission

[ripe valley]

Can confirm, the flickering should be less intensive on that part and not on the windows.

[mortal mist]

thank You!

[ripe valley]

I'm going out for the rest of the day, so I will not be available for further tests.

Good catch for the last issues.

[mortal mist]

I am also finishing my tests today

Have a good day everyone

[tawny forge]

How’s Conker?

Oh, wrong channel. Sorry!

[worn ore]

To necro the most recent ram discussions, I had a problem with my retrocastle sdram yesterday, it wasn't stabilizing until 90, it looked to be seated properly, but i pulled it out and re-seated it anyway, now i seem stable at 143. Saturn now seems to function without awful graphical artifacting.

[wise brook]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/123

sorry to bother, was this you?

issue is resolved now

just don’t chd the disk image, cause the chdman makers haven’t made able to preserve the relevant data in the .bin

[willow pawn]

By the way, is full hanging a known problem?

Like, Menu doesn't work

[wise brook]

if your ram is 4chip sure

[mortal mist]

Nice to hear that 🍻🥳

[ancient surge]

Sorry, I've been forgetting to close the issues since I've been busy with other stuff.

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-mask-santa-claus-gif-5612079

[serene thunder]

Some time ago, people saw performance improvements after removing and cleaning the module with isopropyl

I remember some people thinking that flux residue could be an issue

Might have all been a myth

[tribal valley]

Does the new update in stable make auto region work on the Saturn?

[burnt matrix]

Works for me

But I also have a unique bios in each region’s folder

[tawdry lion]

Even for me having separate bios file in the folders wouldn't work without the auto region fix in MiSTer main. I'll give this a shot when I get home

I also get to rebuild all my chd's.... Yay

[tribal valley]

Hopefully it'll work with just the hitachi bios

[tawdry lion]

I just did that 4 days ago xD

I didn't know about the default compression being an issue for speedhacks.

[sacred goblet]

In Sega Rally After thé desert Time attack (3 laps) when i m'back to the menu and i enter for another Time attack i have horrible sound. Can someone try to confirm is not my setup (no others problems with others games)?

[naive whale]

SaturnDay vid in 2 min. Saturn sunday

[green jacinth]

Beat Magic Knight Rayearth (Fat Child Simulator) today using mist recent single ram unstable

Though I've played it across multiple updates

https://youtu.be/LLW49p2R9yw?si=JtL-qQgNgT3Fn2ih

Spoiler for end credits

[radiant karma]

Anyone with Virtua Fighter 2 (USA) has missing music during fights? Vf2 (Japan) works great for me though so wanted to confirm if I had a problem with my bin/cue files.

[grim snow]

Did the intro FMV stutter for you?

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-stanley-did-i-stutter-sarcasm-gif-3537210

[grim snow]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-la-beouf-transformers-funny-studder-blink-gif-5888148

[green jacinth]

No. I've watched the intro a lot of times. No stutter at all

[grim snow]

I’m confused?

[green jacinth]

How my ram tests

2.9

Single

[grim snow]

Ohh I’m at 2.9 as well. Never ran a ram test. Let me see if I have the script

[green jacinth]

I played magic knight across a few of the most recent Saturn single ram builds, over the course of about 2 weeks

No stutter other than some slowdown in game from lots of sprites on screen

[grim snow]

I don’t know how to read this screen but this is what I have

[green jacinth]

The first 4 digits is how many minutes the test ran without errors

[cunning citrus]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MemTest_MiSTer This page will help.

[green jacinth]

The 150 is the speed of ur mem and it will drop increments based on if you get errors

You want to run at a stable speed for about 10 min or more to verify

But in any case, Magic Knight Rayearth ran like a dream for me on current core

Can't wait to try to complete another game

I think Albert odyssey is up next

[pearl harbor]

Robby's favorite game!

[grim snow]

Understood, I’ll let it run. Thanks! 🙏

[grim snow]

Thank you 🙏

[analog totem]

oh yeah? Why rebuild all the CHDs?

[grim snow]

I got 147

[tawdry lion]

Might be more pointless than I thought I guess... Might be useful for psx.

[green jacinth]

2.9 kit? seems about right

[grim snow]

Maybe stuttering isn't the right word, but the video keeps hitching and it looks jerky. Is that normal for the saturn?

[burnt matrix]

This a helpful video that calls out widescreen Saturn and N64 games - #share-media message

[green jacinth]

I mean it's a pretty low quality video, even for SD content IMO.

[grim snow]

Fair enough lol. Thanks for helping me make sure 🙏

[mortal mist]

nope , music works fine for me (USA) bin/cue, I completed the game from start to finish yesterday

[simple hound]

hey all just popping my head in for an update - any changes with the latest cores to the 2.6 ram situation on saturn core?

[mortal mist]

no changes for old sdrams 2.4/2.5

[old pasture]

Thanks, I need to use this in a video/stream

[radiant karma]

Thx for checking!

[ancient fractal]

Magic Knight Rayearth intro started stuttering for me maybe 2 months ago. Have to check how it performs now, I haven't updated or checked it in perhaps 2-3 core versions.

[ancient fractal]

Yup, still there. Seems to start when the star field + logo scene appears and continues after that

[mortal steppe]

Related to CHD isssue, i've tried Taito Chase HQ in Saturn core and It have the voice loop during the game, tried the same CHD version in libretro-beetle-saturn in Retroarch PC and It have no issues.

[supple path]

has anyone else seen issues when pairing a retrobit saturn wireless pad? it doesn’t allow me to define Z and L… surely I’m not the only one…

I tried keeping Start+B pressed for 4sec, only thing that changed was the pad leds went from one to two on. As if switching from 1P and 2P

[wise brook]

that’s because you’re changing it from one mode to another

you then have to remap the thing in MiSTer main

then you can map it in the core

[tawdry lion]

remind me... what exactly is the issue with 2.5?

I have a MiSTer Addons 2.5 I believe... I honestly haven't used the Saturn core much at all yet

[wise brook]

audio cut outs, game freeze crash yada yada

[tawdry lion]

oof...

Is that across ANY 2.5?

or only some

[wise brook]

and some later revisions if the chips aren’t up to snuff

you can ram test it yourself to see if it can get up to speed

[tawdry lion]

You mean if it's able to withstand 140MHz?

[wise brook]

and the rest

but yeah

[tawdry lion]

rest? are there other ram tests I'm not aware of?

[wise brook]

speeds

ram speeds

[tawdry lion]

I ramtested mine a long time ago and it handled even 150MHz fairly well iirc

I'll have to look at it again

[wise brook]

but 2.5 does seem to have issues regardless so

[tawdry lion]

found my old screenshot

hmm so it's not just a speed issue? I'd like to have confirmation of that

I know 150MHz is not common for 2.5. If I recall someone said that 140MHz 2.5 actually is not performing as well as a 140MHz 2.9

but mine handles higher than that so.... hmm... I wonder

I got a really good bin I guess.... I've tested some games with the Saturn core, but I haven't played extensively... are there some games that are DEFINITELY known to be problematic with 2.5?

[wise brook]

a lot of people with 2.5 say they have issue with Sega Rally

[mortal mist]

Yeah , white screen of death 🙂

[supple path]

tried both but nada…

[wise brook]

hurm

there is a factory reset button on the back

darn retro-bit

[analog totem]

retrobit controllers don’t score well in the lag department either if I remember right

[wise brook]

fun fact

the basic retrobit bluetooth was better than the official switch controller

so it’s good for padhacks

as in turn the mobo into the brains of a fightstick

for the switch i mean

[alpine pagoda]

There’s a lot of different issues with older ram in the Saturn core but sega rally is the easiest and most fun to test. If it white screens between races or some of the audio cuts out during a race, it’s still not right.

That said, with the last few cores I couldn’t even get into a race without hitting the white screen of death… so that wasn’t very fun anymore.

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately, it may be that the core will never work well with the old sdram. If indeed core uses it to the limit , not all revisions will cope.

[tawdry lion]

Looks fine to me.

[mortal mist]

I think @tough star also has 2.5 at 150 and Saturn works ok

[tawdry lion]

oh between races? Alright I'll give this a further test then

[zealous karma]

another one to test is Burning Rangers attract mode. In the gameplay demo the music will cut off after a while with 2.5 ram

[alpine pagoda]

If you can finish a few races without losing the music/engine sound, you’re probably good

[burnt matrix]

I have a love hate relationship with Sega Rally. It just feels incredible to drive and the arcade nature makes it so easy to jump in and out. Immediate satisfaction.

But like there’s no content! I wish there were more than four courses!

Well I haven’t played the fourth course yet. Either I need to git gud or find a cheat code lol.

[hearty carbon]

I wonder how many of those big deluxe motion cabinets are still around and functional

[wise brook]

i saw a Sega Rally 2 at a hotel last summer

those cabinets were robust enough i think they’ve got years left in them

[hearty carbon]

They'd have to be pretty tough, right?

[wise brook]

i take this as high praise, modern gaming is drowning in “content”, some kids i know play nothing but Roblox and Fortnite

somewhat amusing, my neighbors kids were asking me what a fightstick is for, i told them about arcade games, shooters and fighting games.
and the kid, bless him, asked what kind of skins can you unlock

[mortal mist]

I had the opportunity to play Sega Rally some time ago in Krakow

https://www.krakowarcademuseum.com/en/

[sterile parcel]

Kuba, are you located in Krakow? That's one of my favorite cities in the world

[mortal mist]

If someone will be in Poland / Krakow I recommend to visit this place

[mortal mist]

I have about 100km to Krakow, I often visit there

[sterile parcel]

Cool! I go to Katowice every year for work and always visit Krakow whenever I'm there

[mortal mist]

Nice!

I also recommend Wrocław and Gdańsk

[tawdry lion]

I'll admit as one of the 65% of the playerbase of Fortnite that is aged 25-34, that at least Fortnite is one of the few free-to-play games that seems to get how to make a subscription model both optional and paying for itself, in the literal sense.... not to mention that Lego Fortnite is like... the lego procedurally-generated survival game I always wanted as a kid. lol.

The subscription actually gives you 150% of the subscription cost back in V-Bucks... so you can actually pay for the next season's subscription off of that and then some, if you refuse to buy anything from the store... which it helps that the game has absolutely no gear-type mechanics.... every player is the same stats. No differences between characters or exclusive gear you can get.

Anyway... I used to be one of the people that hated on Fortnite (and teh build mode is worth hating) but the zero-build mode actually has like no kids playing it.... they all hate not building lol. And some of the other game types are quite fun. (Creative mode actually had a Squidgame map that would play random minigames like in the show xD)

[wise brook]

i think there’s fun to be had in Fortnite

[tawdry lion]

yeah not assuming your opinion on it

I can get a little.... pushy sometimes when someone maybe says things about the game.... bit of a bad ego habit

I do know a lot of people seem to have a bad taste in their mouth about it though, which is understandable with the publicity the game gets mostly being kids

[hearty carbon]

I just don't like playing it. It feels terrible to me.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I get that, the opposite is worse imo. I don’t think I’d want a lot more courses.

[hearty carbon]

I came from playing BR modes in ArmA/DayZ and then PUBG though. So, to me, it always felt like a shameless ripoff pivot by Epic that popped off because it was free.

I realize how much they've done since then to earn their spot in a lot of ways but I can't say that I can ever forgive some of the results of that Fortnite pivot. UT strangled in its crib, Epic made an exclusive platform inside of the PC market, etc., etc.,

[tawdry lion]

While I don't like EPIC as a company, at the very least I am surprised at how there's a very low incentive to feel the need to put money into the game. Can't say that for most free-to-play titles

[hearty carbon]

Any game that lets you grind out the Battlepass without paying real money and doesn't require 80 hours a week of my time is okay with me.

My partner is really into Rocket League and she'll go off about Epic fucking that game up.

[tawdry lion]

Except when you don't play Fortnite for a while, and come back... you get massive exp boosts anyway so you'll level tons of times in one go for doing that. Honestly I play nowhere near that much... maybe like a 1-3 hour session every day or two, if that.. (sometimes I don't play for a few days) and I'm at level 140 lol (25 of those levels were purchased, so technically I would be 115... but it's definitely achievable at this pace.)

[hearty carbon]

Dragging it over to be an Epic only for new players, removing the trading, she has opinions. 😄

[tawdry lion]

and tehre's still half the season left 😛

[hearty carbon]

Helldivers 2 having you be able to earn all the premium stuff is part of why I came to it.

I typically don't like live service games

[tawdry lion]

Sadly helldivers 2 had that entire sony fiasco recently

[hearty carbon]

(though HD2 has issues of its own)

[tawdry lion]

yeah...

[hearty carbon]

Sony backed off

[tawdry lion]

I'm sure they had to

I feel bad for the developers

[hearty carbon]

But they're not changing their policy on nations being shut out of their service

So, it kind of feels like they bought everyone off with a small concession to avoid a much more important one

[tawdry lion]

I should mention that only level 140 out of 200 is required to get all 1500 V-Bucks

So I've already met that point FYI

I think it was 140... honestly can't quite remember

but .... past this point it's just snazzier looking characters really...

anyway... yeah Fortnite makes some.... good marketing decisions that incentivizes constant play... but I can say that compared to most live service games, I haven't felt as much of a need to ALWAYS be playing

and that does make it easier for me to enjoy it. I've spent enough time being anchored to playing online games day after day in a row

I don't have the time to do that lol

It did piss me off how it kept getting rewards but .. it is popular

I do wish Xenoblade 3 won over God of War Ragnarok though... that was just .... awful... even God of War fans agreed xD

[serene thunder]

Also recommended

[green jacinth]

i hadnt noticed it before but yeah, also gets a brief bit of chop during the star-field / logo flyover

[drifting crown]

When there’s more Fortnite talk than bugs in the latest nightly talk, srg is doing something right.

[burnt matrix]

Well that’s interesting. Togue King the Spirits 2 has a weird bug with the main menu where the display appears doubled up. Almost like you turned on 3D mode on a TV.

I don’t remember that being an issue before, but I haven’t played the game for several core updates.

[mortal mist]

Maybe the same bug as in VF2 ? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/199

[grim snow]

This is exactly what’s happening with me too

[drifting frigate]

My reaction to watching Bob knock out his boss in The Incredibles.

Waialae is pretty fun! I revisited it in widescreen because of the Gamesack vid.

[supple path]

still looking for help in mapping the buttons on my retrobit saturn pro controller for the saturn core if any kind soul is available 🫣

[river wing]

I put he pad in XINPUT mode (START + B until two lights are ON), and then I configured it on the MiSTer menu and on the core. Easy peasy.

As for the mapping itself, well, it's a Saturn pad replica 🙂

[supple path]

will try to reset the joypad and try from scratch as you mentioned! thanks

[radiant karma]

I have noticed batsugun intro has a similar problem with the text "toaplan legendary series", basically unreadable now.

[mortal mist]

please add info on gitghub to this issue + photo

I assume , it will be easier to check it in Batsugun than to finish VF2

[mortal mist]

please add info about this on github 🙂

[burnt matrix]

No!!! You’re not my dad!!

[mortal mist]

do it!!!! now!!!!!

[burnt matrix]

Ok!

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/you-better-behave-gromit-wallace-and-gromit-angry-imwarningyou-gif-10913800

[burnt matrix]

As a new issue? I was thinking of adding it to the one I was linked above.

What do you think would be best

Well it’s a different game, I can do a new issue and then suggest it might be related to the VF2 one

[mortal mist]

if it's something similar to VF2 then maybe there

[burnt matrix]

Ok, I’m being lazy but I’ll do it. F12 for screenshots right?

[burnt matrix]

LOL fine! Booting up the MiSTer

Halp im being e-bullied

[wise brook]

If it’s more convenient, try using the MiSTer Remote app

I love the screenshot button on that thing

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that's what I had to do since my keyboard does not have a print screen button lol

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/203

[burnt matrix]

I added a comment to this issue where I said it might be related - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/199

@mortal mist

🫨

[radiant karma]

It does seem to be a similar issue to the ones on vf2 and touge king.

[burnt matrix]

or maybe we have all deteriorating eye sight and this how how we all found out 🫨

[ancient fractal]

I wonder if any user/setup does not have this issue..

[naive whale]

my eyesight is 420/69 sir...PERFECTION

[gloomy hedge]

#share-media message saturn media if anyone needs to compare for accuracy to the core

[naive whale]

cool but do we have any comparisons from someone who's GOOD at games? 🤣

[gloomy hedge]

no can do slick

😛

[grim snow]

I tried asking around this server a couple days ago. I just ordered a capture card. When that comes in I’ll submit a bug report if it hasn’t already been submitted by someone.

[mortal mist]

That's right , the intro stutters , it shouldn't

[mortal mist]

here you go https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/204

i see some stutter on ral hardware too

but not that strong

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn FMV quality tends to be so shit that sometimes it's hard to tell what is intentional or not.

[ancient fractal]

Copyright striked 🤪 But indeed, the real hardware capture (that is not striked down) shows one stutter at the exact same time as the core does. But then (at least for me) there is pretty consistent stuttering moving forward on the core. It seems unlikely to be a (HPS -> core) bandwidth limitation since the PSX core can chug along at 4x and even 8x.

Maybe related to the Die Hard loading time regression? Both seems to have appeared during the same time frame.. (but really, I’m not 100% sure that MKR stuttering is a regression, maybe I was just in awe that everything worked as well as it does before, and didn’t care too much about some stuttering. As said, Saturn FMV isn’t exactly IMAX grade.)

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ffs-baby-really-oh-god-just-stop-gif-12739180

copyright...

[tawdry lion]

lmfao wow that's ... unfortunate

I'm so sorry >~<

[mortal mist]

stupid YT

succeeded without YT 🙂

[serene thunder]

Which game should I vanquish
I have over 600 1CCs, all captured on VHS

[drifting frigate]

@mortal mist do you happen to use AverMedia to capture?

Nevermind. It's 100% the build. I sometimes have stutters on AverMedia that are related to the software, but this is 100% reproduceable without capture software involved at all.

[mortal mist]

Yes , i checked it before caputred video

[drifting frigate]

Word.

I can grab an HDMI cap from real hardware if you want for the comparison. But hopefully this will be enough for Srg.

[mortal mist]

I've also put a video from Saturn in there

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, I just know that sometimes a filmed TV isn't compelling for devs. But it should be good enough.

[pearl harbor]

Never change Youtube.

[sage yacht]

You can use it in either D-Input or X-Input mode. The confusing part is that R and Z, as well as L and C are the same buttons. Simply ignore the physical L and R buttons when you define the gamepad's buttons and use ZL and ZR as L and R, then you have C and Z free to map. Works great.

[void halo]

I noticed in the latest (05/04) unstable build that when you enter some houses in the beginning town that the graphics are all out of synch and will flash gibberish textures. This issue is not present in the latest stable build however there is siginficant slow down in some some spots with the same stable. It would seem we are gaining some and loosing some as we go with the unstable's.

[burnt matrix]

That’s pretty normal in development. Overall the gains are always greater but you tend to expose issues when fixing code or making changes.

[frank crater]

I most excited for a full play through of this game

[slate karma]

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Cat got on the keyboard :/

[drifting frigate]

Do you want Freakazoids? Because that's how you get Freakazoids.

[next bronze]

I should look into getting myself a Freakazoid. I love that show!

[drifting frigate]

I love that the voice actor is low key one of the funniest people on social media. He did that viral video with the angry little dog a while back.

[mortal mist]

Same issue for @wise brook

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-im-here-gif-11261063

[mortal mist]

I think it is related to the flickering in F1 and Burning Rangers

maybe it still occurs in other games , but I haven't had time to test anymore

[kind quarry]

it’s going to be very funny in 2 years when someone starts asking for VCD support and the MPEG card

[mortal mist]

there have already been such questions about MPEG

[wise brook]

in 2 years, the hardware to comfortably do it will be available

then i’ll have a folder of every Seinfeld episode in glorious trash tier visual fidelity

[kind quarry]

oh dear lol

[mortal mist]

unlikely with the fpga we have 🙂

[balmy crag]

Are we still seeing the best overall stability with region-free Hi?

[ancient surge]

The MPEG card is so niche that only one game actually needs it, and even then there is a separate version that doesn't need it anyway.

[mortal mist]

https://segaretro.org/Video_CD_Card#Games

[ancient surge]

Maybe it would have more value if hacks are made that allow for higher quality video in miscellaneous games.

[mortal mist]

However, it improves the experience in several games 🙂

although I'm not interested in that at all

[burnt matrix]

I’m using region bioses and it’s been perfect for me for a while

[serene thunder]

Still only 3-4 I care about

[burnt matrix]

The Ultraman Zuka games?

[balmy crag]

Huh. I'm running 2.9 RAM and still Radiant Silvergun crashes, so I'm guessing I lost the RAM lottery

[burnt matrix]

The core is still in development, SRG has done a lot of optimizations but I suspect he’ll do more so ram timings aren’t as tight.

[quick sorrel]

Where n when does it crash? Same point regularly or randomly?

[wise brook]

don’t let Robby feed you hopium, you really might just be SoL

[quick sorrel]

I've noticed it crashes for me when I've updated the core and get to the end of the first level, almost like clockwork. I reset the game, or core, or MiSTer, and that resolves it for me.

[wise brook]

now i wanna put a MiSTer in a Saturn shell and use one of these for Wizzo’s tapto script

[balmy crag]

I was inclined to say it's pretty consistent crashing early in the first level, but I went to test just now and cruised through level 2 without issue beyond the sound dropping out. That feels like bad news being that it's probably quite random

[mortal mist]

It hasn't happened to me yet

And I play Radiant quite a bit

[serene thunder]

That game is a Playstation slayer

[frail token]

Oh yeah? Well you're perfect for me for a while

[green basalt]

I'm having a great time with almost everything I've tried on the Saturn core, but I'm still getting those visual glitches in Earthworm Jim 2 (USA).

It doesnt appear at first, but does over time, normally by the time you're halfway through the first level - a visual snow effect, lots of flickering white pixels, easily visible when the game is paused.

Anyone else able to replicate this?

Newest unstable nightly by the way although the issue has been present for a while now.

[burnt matrix]

If you could replicate it and confirm it’s a consistent repro (3/3 times is enough) that would be awesome. Also take a pic if you can. That way we’ve got a solid issue to add to GitHub. 🍻

Unfortunately I’m slammed with work today so I can’t verify myself.

[mortal mist]

I checked it some time ago , had no errors

I will check again

[ancient surge]

Might be another RAM timing issue.

[green basalt]

I can definitely get some screenshots and video, but the wife is in the way right now....

Will do later when the TV is free!

[supple path]

if anyone cares about the saturn pad issue (or for posterity), here’s retrobit:

Due to limitations in X and D-Input, you are only able to map 10 of the buttons currently so the C and Z buttons are mirrored on the L and R buttons. We are trying to work with a special programmer and will have some details to share at a later time.

[grim snow]

That's weird, I've been using the wireless pad now for a couple months with absolutely no problem 🤔

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/202

Anyone got a save file for Radiant Silvergun with Level Select unlocked? Just wanted to ask around really quick before I start setting aside time to beat the game and unlock it myself.

[quick sorrel]

My save file is until the last stage but I don’t know if the level select is unlocked (I didn’t know about a level select until now). I verified that even on the current core, that visual glitch is still happening.

[grim snow]

Huh, I thought I had to beat the game to unlock Stage Select, but this walkthrough is telling me I can play Arcade Mode for 3 hours and it will unlock. Does it show up in your options menu? I've only done story mode.

[quick sorrel]

Since the game came out, I’ve only ever played Saturn mode. 😅 I suppose after all this time it’s time to try arcade mode.

[grim snow]

It's really hard lol but apparently 3 hours is all it takes. I can do that tonight, I'm a night owl lol

Stupid me was playing Arcade Mode on the switch port this whole time Dx

[quick sorrel]

I believe I started and stuck with Saturn mode as you built up your weapons power and increased your chances of getting further in the game. RS is not the most hardcore bullet storm shooter but it’s hard enough that I should play the Saturn version. Well, arcade with unlimited continues works but I like the level up thing in Saturn mode better.

[grim snow]

Me too, I never got into shooters until I found out you level up in RS

[quick sorrel]

Always liked shooter but I suppose my visual tracking of bullet hell shooters is my limit. I like some of the Cave shooters but I’m truly shite at them.

[drifting frigate]

I started loving bullet hells when I realized I was watching the path, not the projectiles. I'm still utterly garbage, but less garbage.

[grim snow]

Woah

Maybe this revelation will help me be less utterly garbage too lol

[drifting frigate]

There are some BHs that still kinda do the shitty randomized stuff. But a lot are all about pathfinding versus anything else, I've found. I really got into them after getting MiSTer (I did always love Ikaruga though) and am better than I ever was as a kid. Just... still bad. Hehe.

[grim snow]

Now that you mention it, yup that's definitly what Ikaruga is trying to teach you. That game's awesome too, I've been playing that a bit more recently. Got a bit farther than I could a couple years ago when I bought it for switch

[drifting frigate]

Definitely stick with it! It's pretty rewarding ... and a great 'not too frustrating' tiptoe into bullet hells.

[quick sorrel]

Might be in the same category then. Cuz I don’t do well, but I’m certainly not the worst.

[grim snow]

Yeah right now I feel like I'll just never be good enough to care about score or anything other than just getting to the next level xD

[quick sorrel]

I think as Cave shooters are so visually and aurally beautiful, it’s easier to try to play them.

[grim snow]

Any good ones on Mister?

[quick sorrel]

I can’t care about the score or I’ll defo die quickly.

[quick sorrel]

Haven’t played any recently but I think DoDonPachi is on it. Go to the arcade section, organized, Cave, it’ll list what’s there

(As long as you’ve set them to download in update_all)

[grim snow]

Dope, I have the core downloaded. I'll have to check it out, thanks 😄 heard nothing but good things about cave

[quick sorrel]

Happy shooting 😎

[serene thunder]

Guwange and Progear will show you things

[grim snow]

Thanks! 😄 btw I just beat RS Arcade Mode (they gave me infinite coins) so I have Stage Select now! Also, HOLY SHIT that final boss is nuts

[quick sorrel]

+1 on both of those. Love the aesthetics of Guwange

[quick sorrel]

Yea, yes it is. When starting a new save in Saturn mode, if I’m not at least of level 25 or higher, it’s impossible for me.

[grim snow]

Yeah I felt pretty lousy when it gave me 0 points on the last two bosses lol. How do people do this!?

[quick sorrel]

Play, die, repeat 100s of times 🤷‍♂️

[serene thunder]

Doesn't that game gradually power you up as you repeat play?

Part of the genius

This is how I remember it:
"if you keep saving after each run in story mode, you'll eventually be able to beat the game even if you aren't an expert by getting enough continues and weapon levels"

Do your levels then carry over to Arcade?

[grim snow]

Radiant crashed on me twice today on latest unstable core. I had to switch to the core before it so I could beat arcade mode, which btw I just did and now I have a save file with Stage Select unlocked 👍 I put it in this post: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/202

[serene thunder]

I think the battleship level is amazing
It feels so epic by the time you're there

[grim snow]

Nope, Arcade starts you back at 0 each time Dx

[serene thunder]

Darn

[grim snow]

After the second Battleship came into frame I was really expecting to fight a gauntlet of like 5 of them but luckily the game has a little bit of mercy lmao

[serene thunder]

This boss fight blew our minds

[grim snow]

Absolutely though this game is easily the best looking, sounding, and playing Saturn game I've played so far

[serene thunder]

Yeah you can only really complain about dithering, like usual

It's a PSX killer

[grim snow]

Noted, I'll check them out! Thanks 🙏

[serene thunder]

You might like Soukyugurentai

But it doesn't look that nice

[grim snow]

I think I have that downloaded 🤔 let me boot it up real quick

[serene thunder]

If you want a super-goofy anime-style one, try this
https://timebokan.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Bokan_Series:_Bokan_to_Ippatsu!_Doronbo

[grim snow]

Hey this game is cool! I like the art style. Something about 2D sprites on 3D backgrounds is just interesting for me. Part of the reason I want to play more Saturn games. They always look interesting.

Quick question though, is this text supposed to be scrambled

[serene thunder]

I do not know

[serene thunder]

That looks bad

[grim snow]

hmmmm let me pull up a longplay on YouTube real quick

Yup its wrong, hold on though because I realized I'm not in the most recent core

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/134

[serene thunder]

These are also worth playing
Batsugun
Blast Wind
Bulk Slash
Darius Gaiden
Galactic Attack
Game Tengoku
Guardian Force
Hyper Duel
Layer Section II
Metal Black
Sengoku Blade
Sexy Parodius
Shienryu
Thunder Force V
Thunder Force: Gold Pack 1
Thunder Force: Gold Pack 2

[grim snow]

Oh god my SD card wasn't even in my Mister

Annnnd I just lost it in the aluminum case

Shooters are making my life fall apart man xD

[serene thunder]

Do you play real pinball? That and shooters seem to have some sort of symbiotic thing

I think it's predicting all the speeds and paths of things

[grim snow]

Dude there used to be an INCREDIBLE pinball museum where you could play all of them but I think it closed permenantly during COVID 😭

Glad I got to go a few times at least

[serene thunder]

I live around the corner from a two-floor place with like 40 tables?

Was just playing earlier tonight

[thorn pagoda]

you can sometimes shake it out the back unpopulated usb port if you're lucky

(and if that port is unpopulated for you)

[quick sorrel]

It took that happening to me just once (cuz taking apart the case and reassembling it was not fun) to get FTP up and running on it. Never taken it since then

[grim snow]

Wait hold on it's still open! https://silverballmuseum.com/delray-beach/

Fuck yeah

[quick sorrel]

I grew up on pinball but I still am poor at bullet hell shooters 😜

[serene thunder]

Bullet hell is kind of goofy to me

I like shooters where the ship and amount of projectiles is a bit more "realistic"

whatever that means

[grim snow]

LMAO yeah maybe I should try setting that up. But it is the reason I put my games on a flashdrive instead now.

[serene thunder]

But graphically, they are great

[grim snow]

No I agree with you, that's definitely a vibe

Friend had me look up Touhou and no thank you

[serene thunder]

Those first 5 Touhou games are a trip

I had to tweak an emulator real good to get them running at proper speed

[quick sorrel]

It’s been over a year but a YT video about 1.5min long showed me how to use ftp with FileZilla for mister

[serene thunder]

Eventually I'm going to have ALL game libraries on an external SSD

rn it's only for the disc-based libraries

[grim snow]

Yeah I've just been avoiding having to that lol the wifi sucks in the room I rent

[grim snow]

ah, they're not available elsewhere?

[quick sorrel]

That’s understandable. I’m wired and my MiSTer actually sits on my pc 🤓

[grim snow]

Thanks friend! 🙏 Thunderforce 4 is so hard lol but 5 is really cool looking. I think the shooters I've had the most fun with so far are Greylancer (at least the first 3 levels are fun) and Sol Divide (wish it wasn't so bullshit though haha)

That is to say besides Radiant and Ikaryga of course

[serene thunder]

Gley Lancer has some great music
So catchy

[grim snow]

Fuck yeah the genesis soundchip is goated

[serene thunder]

The Genesis core(s) put out some phatty low end with some games

I have an HDMI audio extractor and keep that 96khz option for sound

And then that goes into a headphone amp or receiver

[grim snow]

Quick question, why are there two cores? I use the Genesis core

[serene thunder]

I dunno, I guess someone arrived and did another one

[thorn pagoda]

megadrive core is like a full rewrite from decapped chips thats significantly more accurate

[grim snow]

Sounds kickass dude!

[thorn pagoda]

but it doesn't do overclocking and a few other things so we keep the old one around too

[serene thunder]

Have you ever tried Elemental Master for Mega Drive?

That's some great music

[grim snow]

ohhh I see

[grim snow]

so Megadrive core is generally the best option?

[grim snow]

I have not, let me check it out real quick

[serene thunder]

Let the intro sequence play out, epic music

And surely you've played MUSHA by now

[thorn pagoda]

yeah

[grim snow]

uhhh...nope🤓

[grim snow]

Oh my god Elemental Master is fucking sick

Awesome fucking music

Booting up MUSHA now

Oh hell yeah

https://tenor.com/view/lorito-parrot-head-banging-cute-lilo-gif-15773152

https://tenor.com/view/metal-parrot-headbanging-gif-17332910

https://tenor.com/view/okay-rocking-out-head-bang-bird-dance-gif-14237382

Why did Michael Jackson hate this soundchip!?

shit's fucking peak

[grim snow]

Playing this game now, it's pretty dope! 😄 Thanks again for all the recommends! 🙏

[light magnet]

I never cared for the YM2612 myself. Or any Yamaha FM chip. Heresy around here, I know.

[light magnet]

Hey, at least I like the SN76489.

[bleak escarp]

Ayyy yo, I understand why yahoo auctions are so addictive now

[acoustic sable]

You won yahoo.com? I'm so very sorry

Now you have to look after it. A website isn't just for Christmas, you know.

[wise brook]

oh no

they can be a bit fussy about shipping out guns

[ancient surge]

Imagine getting arrested for "illegal firearms" just because you wanted to play Virtua Cop 2.

[bleak escarp]

Oh no nows ya tells me

[wise brook]

i ordered a bunch from the once and they sent it after labeling the box as containing toy gun

iirc they took a picture of it to put on the box too

but then one time i bought another guncon and they wouldn’t ship it, i think it was because of the limited postal options they had for shipping to the UK during Covid

[tawdry lion]

I've ordered guncons from Japan. Had no issues

[bleak escarp]

I am in freedom land so I'm sure my 2nd amendment right to bare arms will be preserved

[clear condor]

Some friends and I won a bunch of Saturn/PS1 lightguns on YAJ and weren't able to get them shipped overseas. It was less a problem with Freedom Land receiving them, and more a problem with Ramen Land letting them out of the country. Hopefully you have better luck.

[bleak escarp]

Yikes I wasn't aware that was such an issue, really that bad?

[clear condor]

it can help if they're careful to label it "video game controller" etc with no mention of "gun"

but yeah, they can be kind of tight on anything that even looks sort of like a gun

[bleak escarp]

I am buying through a 3rd party so here's hoping they don't fuck it up

[bleak escarp]

Reading the listing closer it's being sold as the Saturn 3D model number + peripherals so looks okay keeping this in mind

[serene thunder]

I had two Famicom light guns hold up their system, it was borderline funny

You can almost understand with the GAN zapper

You know, aside from it being plastic with zero actual ammo

Let us all bear in mind that Japan is the land of insanely-realistic airsoft guns

Which actually shoot

[lusty rapids]

it's easy to have real looking fake guns

when real looking real guns are increadibly rare

[serene thunder]

Sure, but I mean when an actual person inspects a GAN, it will take one second to know it's a toy

In person, I mean

[hearty carbon]

This wouldn't be an issue if cops didn't smoke motherfuckers over nothing.

[serene thunder]

I had the best cap guns when I was a kid

Edison, sohn

Edison Giocattoli

They take magazines and eject each cap

[hearty carbon]

I remember those

[serene thunder]

Would be fun to try and collect a bunch

They made a shotgun model???

I'll move this to off-topic, sorry

[grim snow]

Bruh I remember my dad buying this for me at a Cracker Barrel and he took me out front of the restaurant to fire INTO the parking lot.

I definitely scared a few cars passing by

And then dad bought me refills xD

My bad not a shotgun model but one of the handguns

[serene thunder]

Added more in off-topic

[grim snow]

I definitely wouldn’t be able to do that today lol

[prisma wraith]

tried gley lancer yet?

[grim snow]

Yeah I love the first half. I hear the next half is not as good and I definitely feel it in stages 4 and 5.

Switch port is great too 👍

Is it me or is Sol Divide actual bullshit though?

I want SO badly to love the game. If I’m just a scrub I’ll accept that though lol

[serene thunder]

Try out Eliminate Down
Weird music, but some serious shooting action

And Gynoug
And Steel Empire

[grim snow]

Oh man, I’m never gonna get through all of these shooters you’re recommending xD not a bad problem to have though! Ty ty 🙏

[serene thunder]

Ever seen this mook?
https://www.amazon.com/Hardcore-Gaming-101-Presents-Shoot-Em-Ups/dp/1539855643

BTW surely you have played Lords of Thunder for PCE CD

[grim snow]

I have not 😯 but I loved gaming history books as a kid

Guinness book of world records gamers edition 2008-2010 was the gateway for me into retro gaming

Don’t look at the new editions though they’re fucking trash

2010 was already the beginning of the end with Call of Duty rising in popularity. Still decent though

[grim snow]

Only PCE game I played so far is Rondo of Blood lol. Shooters on PCE is still a blind spot for me rn.

I wanna get a controller and snax adapter so I can use the turbo function. No other way to play shooters lol

[quick sorrel]

Lords of Thunder is a pretty good shooter but the star of the show is the soundtrack.

[serene thunder]

I think it's great up until the last level, which is not as cool

[quick sorrel]

What don’t you like about it?

[serene thunder]

I don't like the level with all the big spike obstacles, meh

[serene thunder]

Many games of the PCE shooter library are fairly primitive
But the best ones are on par with the best on MD
Gate/Lords of Thunder, Spriggan, Air Zonk (HuCard version), Nexzr

I guess Sapphire, though that's more a tech demo to me

[strong zephyr]

Soldier blade on pce is amazing. Especially with you lot talking about good music. But chiptunes where lords of thunder is a cd games with wonderful metal guitar music. They are long video’s but i recommend shmup junkies’all pce shmups’ and ‘all megadrive shmups’ reviewed videos. Others faves of mine in the genre are ‘raiden project’ on ps1 and strikers 1945-2. This last one is both on ps1 and Saturn. I feel it is generally seen as better on Saturn but i prefer ps1 as it has transparancies vs dithering. (Would be amazing if we could get a toggle option for this in the core…i thought i saw it before but didn’t work for me). Of course cherry on top kinda feature and i am still amazed with what we already got. (Even though due to 2.5 spec memory i don’t play using the core a ton)

Shout out to Gynoug too love the music in that as well (note called **edit: Wings of Wor, thanks Brian! **in the usa library)

[next bronze]

Wings of Wor, no relation to Wizard of Wor, though that's also on MiSTer.

[strong zephyr]

haha thanks, it did feel off, but was to lazy to google it 😄

[grand harness]

Hello folks
If I have an issue with the latest core , can ask here or for this has an another chanel?

[mortal mist]

Hello , what issue you have ?

[grand harness]

I am using the following ROM:

Renamed as boot.bin and boot.rom

[mortal mist]

proper name is boot.rom

by the way , all games should be in separate folders , even CHD

[grand harness]

Ok, I'll doing the folder separation

Thanks

So the issue is when I load the chd I saw for a short time the progress bar, and I got back the Sega Saturn begin screen

128 Single ram I have

[mortal mist]

ok , did you check bin/cue ?

redumps ofc

Are these your game images or did you use ready-made ones ?

[grand harness]

Sorry I am newbie in MISTer saturn .

[mortal mist]

did you set the region to auto in the OSD?

[grand harness]

Ready-made ones, I copied from a pc version of cp78 compilations

[grand harness]

I tried booth

[mortal mist]

ok

[grand harness]

Could you please enlighten me what is the redump ofc?

[mortal mist]

I would check game images from a verified source first.

redumps means they are proven and good quality game images

[grand harness]

Like archive.org?

[mortal mist]

yes

check dm

Check one game bin/cue and let us know if there is still such a problem

[grand harness]

I'll do and appreciate for your help

[grand harness]

You're the MAN, the disc image was the problem, thank you so much.

[mortal mist]

no problem

easy fix 🙂

[river wing]

Indeed, Kuba is the man

[pearl harbor]

Heck yeah, Soldier Blade is an S-tier shmup!

[serene thunder]

It's pretty good, not gonna lie

I mean, I could have mentioned any number of other shooters

People love them some Gunhed/BL

Download II has some fantastic cutscene artwork

Rayxanber III has killer artwork

[analog totem]

I love Blazing Lazers

still need to beat it

[zenith plover]

How well does this core work with single SDRAM vs dual SDRAM?

[drifting frigate]

It depends. I have both and they're basically the same.

Some people get better results from dual

It's very unique to your mister, but it's getting more and more predicable every build and dial RAM is, in general, not necessary for good performance. Single stick reliability is far more impactful to experience. So a good 3.0 stick that tests well is far better than two marginal sticks. In my experience. Ymmv.

[zenith plover]

Thanks for the good info 👍

[radiant karma]

Anyone tried dual v2.5s sdram with the core? I know v2.5 has problems using single ram but don't know if that applies to dual.

[mortal mist]

There is no difference, if you want better performance then you need to have better sdram in the main slot

3.0/2.9 + 2.4/2.5

[reef solar]

My 2.5 don't give me any trouble in the latest stable build.

[tawdry lion]

As far as I remember I have a 2.5 and it is also ok. However it does succeed the memtest for long time at 150MHz, which is much better than some iirc that can't go past 145MHz

140MHz is the required amount by spec I believe but for 2.5 it's important to hit higher I expect for Saturn stability. I believe the 2.9's 140MHz performs better than the 2.5's 140MHz

Granted others have said it's not a speed issue and more just a wiring issue. Not really sure. The only theory I have is some 2.5's are more stable than others.

[burnt matrix]

No cores need dual ram or will need dual ram.

I know the half working Jaguar core does but that’s not finished so it doesn’t count.

[ivory kindle]

but if you have dual ram, the secret #dual-ram channel opens up to you

that link is gray for you since you dont have it

[burnt matrix]

god that would be hilarious

Submit proof of dual ram ownership to access the secret dual ram chat

[radiant karma]

Bummer. I have one v2.5 mister aside from a v2.9+v2.5 dual sdram build. My dual sdram build has no problems with Saturn, the single v2.5 does. So was thinking maybe if dual v2.5s were ok I could just replace the v2.9 and have 2 working mister builds with the Saturn core.

[warped saddle]

the secret dual-ram channel has access to private cores like dreamcast and pentium-pro

[drowsy hull]

And M2 (but he will never know)

[burnt matrix]

[drifting frigate]

It might be worth swapping the 2.5s regardless, if both are 128MB.

Maybe the second stick in your dual setup has higher tolerances. You never know!

[radiant karma]

You are right thanks, worth a shot. Let's see now if I can remember how to take things apart. Both are inside aluminum cases so I have never opened them after installation.

[tawdry lion]

Try the 2.5 before buying memory! Some work fine!

It doesn't hurt to try lol

[gleaming lodge]

I am running dual 2.5 and have not noticed any issues but the saturn is not the console I have a tonne of experience with.

[mortal mist]

Not everyone has problems with the 2.5, I have tested my 2.4 many times and the Saturn works ok

[burnt matrix]

That’s because you have Sega in your heart and soul. You have been blessed by Sanshiro.

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[untold spear]

i recall there being some slow downs in grandia in general but i was playing the ps1 version. might be worth someone trying on real hardware

i remember trying years and years back on an emulator but my pc at the time was kind of bad. noticed lag and assume it was poop pc

played on original ps1 later, slow downs were still there in the same spots

like a certain area in the first city, as you run along you notice a big slow down

[pearl harbor]

🥹

[sudden tusk]

SATURNDAY!!

SEGA FAITHFUL ASSEMBLE AND PRAY FOR A NEW DROP!

[burnt matrix]

[pearl harbor]

🙏

[ancient surge]

...Nope.

[open swan]

cool the gamenavi hi-saturn bios works with the core

[small raven]

Does anyone know where to find a Saturn snac adapter or when they might be back in stock at misteraddons? The Saturn core has been amazing and I'm hoping to connect a 3d controller.

[burnt matrix]

He’s got a a little help bot on his site that he reads and responds to. Hit him up through there.

[pearl harbor]

The new and improved ones are good too. They no longer have that issue where you need to plug the Saturn controller cable into it at just the right amount to get it to work.

[tiny flare]

Ooh, I might need to grab one then

[stiff patrol]

I didnt find that. I have the revised one and have to pull the controller slightly back out for it to work

[tiny flare]

I’m going to guess it’s that same terrible mold that all of the extension cables use?

The Saturn daemonbite I made has the same problem

[stiff patrol]

its will be a bogo chinese mold

they will probably all use the same one

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-the-unicorn-shun-the-non-believer-gif-3479764

[summer anvil]

Is it possible to autoload the BIOS?

[burnt matrix]

It does auto load it. Perhaps you have your bios named wrong?

[summer anvil]

Maybe. It's just called bios.rom I think

I'll have to check documentation I havent touched the core in a while

[gleaming lodge]

the bios you want to use should be named boot.rom if I remember correctly.

[pearl harbor]

Interesting. I have the old one with the issue, and the new one, and the new one is just plug and go. Always works without issue on my end. But the old one is definitely problematic in that you have to pull it slightly back out.

[past forge]

I'm not a fan of the fit of the Saturn adapter I got from MA last month. Commented on it here at the time and you have to put the controller connector into it at just the right angle and then manipulate it in for it to fit. Not great. At first I wasn't even sure if it would fit. Never had that issue with any other connector, whether from Bliss or MA

[past forge]

When were they changed? The one I have from about a month ago wasn't great in terms of needing to manipulate to fit but at least it doesn't have an issue where you have to pull the controller out a bit in my experience

[small raven]

Thank you!

[pearl harbor]

They are a bit tight, but I was only referring to the issue regarding needing to pull it out a bit for it to connect.

[wise brook]

why?

[burnt matrix]

What’s this for?

[frail token]

It appears to be a save file for Grandia

[burnt matrix]

Ah, I was worried for a moment!

[prisma wraith]

Super-sleuth Dinerto Holmes has got this case cracked wide open. Fitting profile pic

[frail token]

Damn straight, what would you guys even do without me

[prisma wraith]

We would truly be lost. Thanks for your service, detective.

[frail token]

Any time

recedes into the tiny shadows

[summer anvil]

I see it's just the tapto cards that don't load the bios

Has anyone gotten wizzo's tapto working with the core?

[serene thunder]

Carmen Sandinierto

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/chief-carmen-sandiego-gif-22258027

[burnt matrix]

I don’t see why they would cause that. The TapTo cards just launch an mgl right?

[summer anvil]

It points to a cue

Not sure what's happening beind the scenes

[burnt matrix]

Copy and paste your mgl here if you don’t mind

Why do I get the squinty eyes lol

[summer anvil]

That's the scipt on the card?

[burnt matrix]

You know I don’t know. Maybe?

I’m just suspecting it’s an issue with the mgl and this core

[summer anvil]

If I load the bios and tap the card again or another game for the core it launches fine

[serene thunder]

Sometimes that just means "looking closely"
sometimes

[summer anvil]

Maybe I gotta do some more fancy tapto scripts for this core like the xml loading. idk

Or launch the core first before the game

I'll try that

[burnt matrix]

Try doing media/fat/games/Saturn/

[summer anvil]

I chained some keypresses together to load the bios first then load the game. Worked out

[summer anvil]

**launch.system:Saturn||**delay:500||**input.key:88||**input.key:108||**input.key:28||**input.key:103||**input.key:28||Saturn/Street Fighter Zero 3/STREET FIGHTER ZERO3.cue

basically it launches the core, opens the OSD presses down > enter > up > enter to load the bios. So long as the bios is at the end of the list (which i think it always will be) it should work. Then it loads the game. I'm not sure if the delay is needed but thats what I went with

[torn umbra]

Still got my original Sega Saturn hooked up.

But now I wonder if its days are numbered.

[summer anvil]

I sold everything mister can do personally

[burnt matrix]

Hey if it works, it works! Nice thinking. 🍻

[burnt matrix]

I can give you a personal anecdote. I own several PS1s consoles and over 500 games. I haven’t played any of my actual copies since the PS1 core came out.

I’m not as much as an expert with Saturn as I am with PS1, but for my experience as a recent fan, I see absolutely no need to use actual Saturn hardware or games anymore,

[summer anvil]

Does auto region work with any BIOS or do you still need region free?

[burnt matrix]

I think you might need region free or if you organize games based on region you can place a bios in that folder.

[summer anvil]

Oh interesting

[mortal mist]

one bios + auto region is ok

[burnt matrix]

it’s not necessary at all but it amuses me seeing the different bios per region haha

[burnt matrix]

Oh nice!

[summer anvil]

The hisaturn bios kinda irks me though.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I don’t use that

[wise brook]

i’ll give you one

my Saturn can go online, and there’s an active scene of tournaments you can participate in

also Grandia and several of my favorite fighting games on the system don’t play right on the core

[green swift]

Yeah, still needs time in the oven, but it’s close!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I’m ok with playing online Saturn games but the games not playing right is imoortant to get fixed

[wise brook]

🐄

imootant

[burnt matrix]

lol, my bad 🤣

[summer anvil]

I'm dumb. Everything works fine now after renaming my bios from boot.bin to boot.rom

No special tricks or region foolery

[burnt matrix]

haha that was the first thing we suggested

[summer anvil]

I must be dyslexic

[burnt matrix]

Well it doesn’t matter, you double fixed it

You win!

[summer anvil]

Time to go hard on saturn games

Striking Vipers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4que3oBVK2U

[sudden tusk]

Battle monsters!

[serene thunder]

Movie Card

[serene thunder]

Best Game

[burnt matrix]

It improves FMV quality in some games, right?

is it also like VCD player?

[pearl harbor]

The ghost of boot.bin still haunts us!

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-beta-luigi-luigis-mansion-beta-basher-gif-17875567

[primal osprey]

I should text her

[sudden tusk]

A real undocumented (except for me) instance of nudity in an NES game !

Also wrong chat … but I’m not deleting .. it’s fucking staying .. behold the 8 bit tits

[pearl harbor]

I see advanturetaco is up to his old shenanigans!

[hardy lodge]

Which game is this? Need to know so I won't play it accidentally.

[drifting frigate]

Taboo

[winter phoenix]

You’re just afraid I’d embarrass you in Virtua Fighter or Puzzle Bobble

[serene thunder]

All Grudges are settled using Battle Monsters

[tall agate]

someone was having an issue grabbing the gerbers for my mister SNAC, here's a zip

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/MOMT03UhWEw?si=K1AmieXQBMzQJQq5

Saturnday

[sudden tusk]

Yep taboo! NES

[gloomy hedge]

yo so uh is this core public yet or do I gotta get the test builds?

#unstable-nightlies message this is the latest right?

still gotta go here for the latest?

[pearl harbor]

The core is public, but the latest version is in unstable nightlies.

[gloomy hedge]

how far behind is the public core?

is it still like many months behind?

or is it following behind on the stable core these days?

[pearl harbor]

I believe the last public update was in late March. It's been updated quite a few times since then.

[gloomy hedge]

cool so the usual then, thanks!

its always good info when someone asks about the core

I guess the answer is " its not ready " or "join the mister discord please"

[pearl harbor]

It's definitely in a pretty good place these days on the unstable nightlies version. It's getting to the point where most of the well known hits are in a great state.

[gloomy hedge]

nice - I'll wait before doing any testing on my own, but basically the public version is pointless then

I dont know why we dont just push the unstable version to public or at least weekly

because it cant be used for testing, and it is also old so its not the most compatible, I understand the point about regressions though

but regressions are only valuable for testing

and testing cant be done on the public core

I'm assuming at some point when the core is in even better shape it'll clear up and they will be in parity 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Probably because some of the updates have regressions, and srg320 wants to ensure the next big public update fixes any issues from the unstable versions.

[gloomy hedge]

makes sense!

if that is the case, "time to wait"

🙂

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

[gloomy hedge]

I went ahead and bought a saturn so there's really no reason to other than curiosity, and remember I have a cursed mister so I'll wait until the core is fully done and then throw it at my setup

and see if its still totally messed up or whether my 3.0 ram is any good

[pearl harbor]

Haha, I'm only kidding.

[gloomy hedge]

my curiosity is deadly tho

I kinda want to see if certain things run now

😛

but at least now I know to use the regular unstable cores route 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Morbid curiosity is the best kind of curiosity!

[gloomy hedge]

a killer idea

[alpine pagoda]

Couldn’t resist huh. On my multisystem ram the current core is worse at running the broken stuff than it was before, so I’m looking forward to hearing if you’re seeing any improvements

[ancient surge]

So any clue on what srg is planning for the next update?

[bleak escarp]

I keep in the dark and am pleasantly surprised every time. Still waiting for the magic update that'll fix Fighters Megamix

[warped cliff]

hopefully fixing sega cd bugs

EDIT-- I misread the question, thought you were asking about after Saturn development

[sudden tusk]

He is planning to blow your mind!

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[uncut bison]

Is there a guide available to get this core running? The games I put in the Saturn folder aren't showing up.

[mortal mist]

games should be in bin/cue or chd format , each game should be in a separate folder

The bios should be placed under the name boot.rom in games/saturn/

[hardy lodge]

If y'all are that impressed by saturn wait till you see what can be done with uranus.

[burnt matrix]

If video game consoles were meals, do you think the Sega Saturn would be the dollar menu?

[drifting crown]

Prime steak

Or jambalaya due to it being a mish mash of everything

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/t-bone-steak-steak-food-yummy-bbq-gif-17842561

[burnt matrix]

Yeah true, good point

that definitely looks Saturn to me

[twin canyon]

looks like doom eternal - overcooked

[clear condor]

Denny's: it's kind of janky, but not half bad, and it's open NiGHTs

[small niche]

I'm sure this has been asked many times but... I've got an onlder Mister with what i think is a dual ram stick... I'm trying to get my Saturn core to work... using an HSaturn bios for the boot.rom games will load using the Saturn core from update all but I'm encountering problems like the following...

Radiant Silvergun... crashes soon after starting the first level
Panzer Dragoon... runs but fire sound cuts out halfway through the first level

Can I run the saturn core on older dual ram? Do I need to run an alternate Bios? I'm checking here before investing in 3.0 ram to fix the issues I'm having... any help would be much appreciated.

[mortal mist]

These are sdram-related symptoms

Unfortunately no one can guarantee that everything will work fine after a change to 3.0, we know of cases where there are problems even with 3.0

In most cases, however, replacing the sdram with a new one helps

There are also cases that the Saturn works ok with sdram 2.4/2.5, I would advise you to wait until the core is finalised, a lot can change

[small niche]

Thanks for the advise, makes sense... do you know whether the developer has plans to make it work on all types or focus on the 3.0?

[mortal mist]

For now, he is focusing on fixing bugs in the core (games), probably the time will come for sdram too

[pearl harbor]

Beans, since they turn you into a gas giant.