Sega Saturn

[serene thunder]

Hard to know with that one

[green jacinth]

nsfw?

[naive whale]

yep X Men Vs SF seems perfect

except I got a weird bug thats calling M Bison Vega in the name

[sudden tusk]

Better make a report about that

[naive whale]

yeah M Bison's name in game on the life bar says vega

[sudden tusk]

Dang that’s weird

[serene thunder]

Wow what could be the problem

[naive whale]

paused so dark but that sure as shit isnt Vega lol

[serene thunder]

Isn't it?

[mortal mist]

yes it's vega 🙂

[naive whale]

am I tired today?

[mortal mist]

M.Bison = Vega in Japan

[serene thunder]

Ahahaha, screencapped for eternity

[mortal mist]

nothing strange

[naive whale]

lol wtf I did not know that

[serene thunder]

Now you must send me PCBs or I will distribute worldwide

[naive whale]

I mean I am pure SNK so...not surprised I botched that

[serene thunder]

Hence, "Boxer", "Claw", "Dictator"

[mortal mist]

I thought you were joking and you knew it 😄

[serene thunder]

disambiguation

[serene thunder]

Make sure to screencap and archive offline

[mortal mist]

haha

[naive whale]

haha nope...that one's my bad. If its not Alpha then I dont much remember wtf is going on

[serene thunder]

Damn Tyson complicated everything

[green jacinth]

Darius Gaiden (USA) working on dualsd

[serene thunder]

If Tyson were here, I'd climb in my battle mech and really show him what's what

[ripe valley]

I knew part of the original team on that port, almost half of them came from demoscene.
So, they like to push the hardware to some limits or working with really tight timings between chips.

[mortal mist]

and Barlog is M. Bison in Japan version

[ripe valley]

The Infogrames team on Alone in the Dark is quite 'crazy' too.

[pearl harbor]

[pearl harbor]

How dare you not know the real life Street Fighter boss lore!

[naive whale]

I only know him as Raul Julia

[wise brook]

damn, can’t get SF3 to crash despite casting every spell and all the other things that would usually cause it to freeze.
good update

[pearl harbor]

What are you doing different @sudden tusk !?

[sudden tusk]

Dude I thought you were trolling the whole time !

[sudden tusk]

I have a save on the second mission .. also I’m using the latest unstable

So who knows

Let’s see what results you get

[pearl harbor]

I need to test Shining Force III as well to see how it goes. The last time I tested it, it wasn't just blaze spells that were crashing it. It crashed once just when a bat attacked one of my party members.

[naive whale]

nope...if I knew he was Vega in japan I forgot

I admit when I am wrong

lol

[sudden tusk]

All good G

[pearl harbor]

Then admit that Wisconsin has the best cheese!

[sudden tusk]

Balrog =M bison in Japan btw

[naive whale]

I also am not a liar sir

[pearl harbor]

[sudden tusk]

Vega=Balrog

[naive whale]

your mom=ball hog

[sudden tusk]

Normally that would get a reaction from me .. but now that I know your knowledge of retro game history is so limited .. your insults don’t even register anymore

[naive whale]

its just that I play GOOD fighting games...made by SNK

[sudden tusk]

lol well at least you didn’t say MK so I respect that

[pearl harbor]

Powah wave!

[sudden tusk]

Did you know SNK is from Japan ?

[pearl harbor]

Mario Kart is my favorite fighting game!

[sudden tusk]

Mario kart fighter does exist and I also love it

[pearl harbor]

Those blue shells always cause a fight to break out among us.

[sudden tusk]

https://youtu.be/V4_EPNQ8rUc?si=lhudDnJQ_koXJod1

Playable on MISTer rn

There’s even a hack of this bootleg that improves everything about it

[naive whale]

rendering Sat test vid for tomorrow. Sunday shall be SaturnDay

[green jacinth]

thats confusing

[pearl harbor]

Shining Force III just crashed on me as well. Just during a normal attack. In the second battle, one of the NPCs wielding a bow tried to attack an enemy and the game crashed.

[naive whale]

Sat 4 pm is a bad spot

[pearl harbor]

Every day is Saturnday here on the MiSTer Discord!

[naive whale]

Saturday in general is the worst day to run shit

[burnt matrix]

It’s true!

[ripe valley]

Akumajou Dracula X is now consistent with the other testers for me with that update, only a small pixel visible and no more flickering.
If I try the 20240403 version once more, the flickering is back.

[naive whale]

Toki core at 4 pm today

[tranquil mulch]

Why is that?

[green jacinth]

was fully joshing

[naive whale]

People are just out doing things. So first hour views (which a videos success depends on) just kinda suck

[naive whale]

Haha I know. Just musing out loud

[green jacinth]

fact is @pearl harbor is right, every day is saturnday

hard not to get hyped

on monday my analogue-io test board arrives. that'll also be saturnday

[sick hare]

Is cotton boomerang working?

I have got a freeze

[mortal mist]

yes , works fine

[sick hare]

I haven't got any freeze without 4M ram cartridge

maybe isn't compatible with it

[burnt matrix]

If you’re having issues running games it’s because you don’t have enough ❤️ for in your heart

[mortal mist]

works ok for me with 4mb

i set it to default

[sick hare]

Freezes are very random in my case

[ripe valley]

V2.5 RAM ?

[sick hare]

yeah

[naive whale]

You don’t have enough heart in your heart

[mortal mist]

works stable for me sdram 2.9

[ripe valley]

Don't forget that reminder, today is 04/06 (Shi-Ro' in Japan).
The most Saturnday of Saturdays.
Sega Saturn Shiro!

[sick hare]

Every game works fine here, just cotton boomerang, 2 random freeze with 4m cartridge

[mortal mist]

I did not find any regressions in today's core , some things have been fixed , it is great 🙂

[naive whale]

Playing x men vs sf was a good time

Now what game do we text first every new core though?

[pearl harbor]

That would be it then.

[pearl harbor]

Shining Force III!

[naive whale]

Not as quick to tell

X-men Vs was the perfect test. Thirty seconds to find out

[pearl harbor]

If you have my amazing save file, it's quick to tell!

[hearty marten]

Game over, yeah!

[sudden tusk]

Love me some sega rally !

[dreamy isle]

x men vs sf!!! nice!

[prisma wraith]

played perfectly for me a week ago, besides a minor pop in CD audio once a new track started, which was fixed in an update just a few days after i posted a 1cc video for it

i'll check again today to confirm its still gravy

[mortal mist]

darius gaiden works fine

[prisma wraith]

you work fine

[mortal mist]

music , sound etc

🙂

[prisma wraith]

❤️

[prisma wraith]

STREET FIGHTER ALPHA 3

"Go for it man!"

[naive whale]

Wasn’t that working tho? Did it break

[prisma wraith]

"You have fists of god!!"

never worked right for mre

first gen 128MB ram zaibatsu

last core was actually a regression in the game for me, intro no longer plays at all

i'll check today's now,

[naive whale]

I know I’ve shown Zero 3 on the channel before and it was good

[burnt matrix]

Zero 3 isn’t good dude, c’mon lol

[prisma wraith]

good, no. is best.

[burnt matrix]

YESSSSS

It’s amazing!!

[prisma wraith]

along with street fighter 3, the best entries in the entire series. capcom really knocked out of the park with their third entries. valve, take note.

[naive whale]

Don’t be upset that you are also 0.3”

It’s not the games fault they wrote your most important measurement on the cover

[burnt matrix]

lmao

[naive whale]

Down in Texas they call him “Rigatoni @burnt matrix “

[burnt matrix]

I’ll give you a rigatoni u jabroni

[naive whale]

I bet you say that to all the ladies

Tell them you are gonna give them “the rigatoni” 🤣

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t know they had different rigatoni sizes

You are rigatoni pro

[pearl harbor]

Ha, I just did an arcade mode play through of it today on the new Saturn core build. No issues on my end!

[prisma wraith]

i am using 128mb sdram from literally the moment it released in like 2020

[stone sky]

I just downloaded the core and was going to test it, thank you, I'm happy, I had already separated what you know and was going to report the error tomorrow

[pearl harbor]

I finally beat the arcade version for the first time the other day! The checkpoint timer is insanely strict in that version!

[stone sky]

You are fast friend

[pearl harbor]

Discord is being weird sometimes. I know I clicked the reply button for that last comment about Sega Rally earlier. But I noticed that it didn't post it as a reply at first. Sit down Discord, you're drunk!

[naive whale]

Full Italian. If I don’t know pasta types I’d be disowned. When I told my mom I was diagnosed with celiac disease and I couldn’t eat bread anymore she responded with “well you should probably just kill your self then” 🤣

[burnt matrix]

The tenchi muyo puzzle game has some corruption in the intro

I am probably the first one who played that on the core

[serene thunder]

Saturn SFZ3 is so good

[old pasture]

I prefer Alpha/Zero 2 over 3

[safe trail]

I thought that every different size would have a different name

[stone sky]

New error I believe, enemy and item sprites appear through walls, depending on the distance and angle, I don't remember this happening on the original hardware

[naive whale]

I knew I couldn’t trust you

[old pasture]

I don't trust me, good shout.

[grim snow]

Hey all 👋 did this latest patch fix the Snac/Snax adapter issues?

[unkempt kelp]

Down to only a few known non-playable games

[drifting frigate]

There were no SMPC.sv changes, so I doubt it. But I'll test it in a few minutes.

I'm seeing no difference. Single digital pad only.

[sacred goblet]

Does someone have the saturn pro controller? When i set saturn pad to 3D-Pad and try to play nights the analog stick does not work. I remeber was working ok with my PS5 controller

[wise brook]

because only the basic controller is supported so far

as written in the commits by srg

[sacred goblet]

Ah ok !

[drifting frigate]

^--- the refactor of controller code removed 3D Pad emulation and SRG's SNAC doesn't support it yet. Blue's from a few weeks ago does.

It's SO good.

I love the analog on that thing.

[sacred goblet]

The core is now working very good for me for all games i play 🙂

[drifting frigate]

Note that even when the 3D pad is turned back on in emulation (OSD menu), the analog triggers won't be supported until a MiSTer update allows them.

They'll just read as button presses (which is still pretty good for most games)

[wise brook]

who really neeeeds analog acceleration?
it’s all or nothing baybae !

[drifting frigate]

This is why I'm not allowed behind the wheel anymore.

Gas is a binary attribute.

Zoom zoom

[wise brook]

and breaking is for quitters

[drifting frigate]

Unless it's E breaking!

[wise brook]

guys

i’m cheating on MiSTer

[drifting frigate]

We all have our second families. BigPEmu and Red Viper are just too good.

[wise brook]

gf got me an iphone, Sonic Dream Team is soo good

and the new Puyo is also great

[wise brook]

red viper 😩

[drifting frigate]

I didn't think 3D was going to be THAT important on VB games, but it really is the secret sauce.

I think that not being able to show 3D on shows and in magazines really did VB a disservice. But, so did the headache inducing color and terrible design.

Still, way better than I expected.

[wise brook]

the only way they could (should?) have advertised 3d games is with a pop-up book

[drifting frigate]

That would have been kinda incredible. Even as just a one shot ad campaign.

[sacred goblet]

3D controller in nights is Amazing. I love the gameplay with it.

[drifting frigate]

It really is

[wise brook]

AAAAAAAA

[cursive tree]

Does anyone knows if is there a translation pach for Street Fighter Zero 3?

[ripe valley]

Just only some menus.

[wise brook]

you must become the translation patch 🧘

[topaz cairn]

are you able to have have all 3 bios files in saturn directory and then set region to auto if you don't us a region free bios? If so what do you name them? Also is the original Discworld loading on the latest unstable? I can't get it to boot but the compatability sheet says its playable.

[wise brook]

it was discussed here

let’s see if i can find the relevant message

this one

so have your boot.rom at the root of the saturn games folder
and cd_bios.rom in the particular folder of games you want to have the specific boot animation

[topaz cairn]

ok thank you!

[zealous karma]

Game saving is still not implemented right?

Can’t seem to save in Grandia

Never mind. In the save menu you have to use C button to confirm even if you set it to A in the options menu.

[mortal mist]

As you may have noticed , the game was tested with core 20240204 and then Discworld would boot up. Something may have changed since then.

confirm , does not boot with the latest core

I'll report it to github soon

[alpine pagoda]

Someone on the RMC discord was able to get their MMS to work properly with the Saturn core with a 3.0 ram board, so there’s hope for us MMS owners if the the ram inconsistencies in the core don’t get worked out.

Looked like an awkward fit with a standard board but hopefully we can get some specifically designed compatible ram down the road

[old pasture]

Feedback please

What do you think of the thumbnail?

A little bit different.

[burnt matrix]

It’s good

The small text on the left is a little busy, maybe blur it out a bit. But it doesn’t matter.

[old pasture]

Thanks Robby

This one might be better. Hopefully I can do a stream later.

[burnt matrix]

lol that’s good too

[old pasture]

I think I'll run with it. Thanks, executive consultant Robby.

[topaz cairn]

Ok, thanks for verifying.

[wise brook]

seems fine

[shadow merlin]

Discworld 2 works but the original one (Terry Pratchett's Discworld) doesn't

[topaz cairn]

Thanks for checking. That is part 2. I was referring to the original, Terry Prachet's Discworld.

[shadow merlin]

I tested the original earlier and it doesn't load, but it certainly used to

not sure when the change happened though

[wise brook]

confirmed, black screen here on D1

pal region pal bios

auto region pal bios

ahh a

guess what

i got it to start

[shadow merlin]

ooh, how?

[wise brook]

i’ll load a video

had a funny feeling it was a region thing

[mortal mist]

yeah should work with pal bios and europe region

[shadow merlin]

hah, weird. Something up with region detection then, perhaps?

[mortal mist]

please add note to the github issue

thanks!

[wise brook]

ain’t i the best

[ripe valley]

Like WarCraft II and Lemmings 3D.

Those games don't like the auto region detection.

[mortal mist]

yeah but wont work even with pal region and pal bios

[prisma wraith]

youtube may limit the visibility of your video/stream if you use words like "Ass" in it. use of words like this can also limit what ad's may be placed with your videos.

[old pasture]

Good point, I'll #### it

[acoustic sable]

Use assterisks

[prisma wraith]

if you want to know a list of words to avoid, this one could be helpful (WARNING: vulgarity):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ozg1Cnm6SdtM4M5rATkANAi07xAzYWaKL7HKxyvoHzk/edit#gid=674179785

just know that trying @$$, a$$, arse or others will likely have the same result.

a few words were removed from the vulgar policy recently though, like damn and hell

[acoustic sable]

I guess this is largely down to American advertisers being prissy?

[old pasture]

Thanks.

[prisma wraith]

no, not just american. every culture has some included things they look out for

[old pasture]

This should do it. Thanks everyone.

[prisma wraith]

ive had a video with a thumbnail that included a screenshot of a game with an upside down cross on it (splatterhouse) completely be invisible to people when searching. they use image and word detection for these.

[old pasture]

I've only had like 3 or vids with limited monetisation out of 1000+ vids. So overall it's been okay.

[wise brook]

done, had to take the video with the option on github to make it shitty enough quality it was under 10mb

[mortal mist]

thanks!

[prisma wraith]

one last thing to keep in mind is that these policies can apply to the video description as well.

[old pasture]

Thanks, description is clean, no Ass in there

Final draft.

Will stream around 9:30 UK time

@prisma wraith thanks for the advice.

I might even try a final Bubble Symphony high score challenge.

No one is taking out no 1, that score is insane.

[wise brook]

i did it, i beat her

unlocked ‘ranking mode’

i guess you could mark the game as completable

ranking mode is like arcade with no continue

[hearty carbon]

I haven't played through those games in a while but I remember Dural feeling kind of tough back in the day.

Not quite as dogshit cheesy bullshit as some fighting game bosses but somewhat challenging.

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/vincent-gif-4983399

[burnt matrix]

What does A** mean?

I am upset and confused by your internet jargon

I want my money back

[old pasture]

Arm

Get your arm to Saturn 🪐, the rest will follow.

[burnt matrix]

looool

yeah that was a good call to censor that out

[old pasture]

You monies is being transferred

I just need to find the internetting wifi

[old pasture]

I'm glad I dropped by here.

[burnt matrix]

We are too, I love chatting with you!

[old pasture]

❤️

A lot of good people hang out here.

[pearl harbor]

Can you feel, the loooove tonight? 🎶

[old pasture]

I know I don't attend enough, it's hard keeping up

[naive whale]

Shit I forgot…that 🤣

[old pasture]

That's why you gotta call him Dictator

There's Claw and Boxer too.

Sagat is Sagat.

[pearl harbor]

Bob Sagat?

[old pasture]

You get acquainted to these terms when you start playing against Japanese players, or you have Japanese SF players in your group.

It's just easier, and stops the regional name confusion.

[pearl harbor]

That explains why Awbacon doesn't know about that. His only friends live in Wisconsin.

[old pasture]

I don't think he has any friends there either 😂

[pearl harbor]

Well, Taco and I could have informed him, but that wouldn't be as fun.

[old pasture]

Where is the @sudden tusk ?

He's a pro streamer now.

Just remember, most SF characters have nick names. Eg Dhalsim may be called SIM, or Zangief Gief

[pearl harbor]

Zangief is my boi.

[hearty carbon]

Stretchy boy.

Stretchy boy vs hairy boy

[old pasture]

Dictator is often referred to as Dict, but the T is barely heard.

I've been at events where I've heard people saying to other players.
"My Dict smashed you up"
"Wanna see my Dict in action"
"I'd bring my Dict out, but you wouldn't be able to handle it"

Are a few classics

[pearl harbor]

[old pasture]

That's one character I'm not good with, I'm generally not a grapple player.

I've never mastered the 360, as a consistent.

[pearl harbor]

In the older games (before Street Fighter 4), the 360 motion is lot more difficult to do. It's way more forgiving since SF4 though. You don't need to be really precise with it anymore.

Even I have trouble with it in games like SF2 and the Alpha games.

[sudden tusk]

Playing street fighter !

Sap ?

WHUT I miss ?

[old pasture]

Nah, Saturn stream tonight.

[old pasture]

Nothing, we missed you. Love was in the channel, and you weren't, so I had to ping you.

[sudden tusk]

Hell yeah brother ! I appreciate it , I working hard at getting to legend on vi

[old pasture]

Yeah, by then, I'd not gone the grappler route. I do like some characters with command grabs, usually they are half circle.

[old pasture]

I see you are at it.

[sudden tusk]

Gotta maximize the weekend

If you are doing a Saturn stream play some battle monsters

[old pasture]

SF2 series, I like Blanka, Sagat the best, but can play most of the cast to an okayish level, apart from Boxer, Gief and T,hawk.

[old pasture]

Will definitely do some fighters.

To be honest, I like the streams, because of the social element.

[sudden tusk]

Did you know @naive whale wasn’t aware of the region name changes on the sf series ?

Streaming is fun!!

[old pasture]

I can believe it, he's more a SNK guy.

[sudden tusk]

I gotta watch my fucking mouth when I do it though

[sudden tusk]

What a wanker!

Although I do love me some fatal fury …

[naive whale]

SaturnDay vid in 25 min. Which I’ll post from work lol

[serene thunder]

Massaging folder names for PAL fullset of MEGA CD games
what has my life become

[sudden tusk]

Massaging ?

[serene thunder]

I gotta put all the multi-disc dumbdumb FMV games into single parent folders

The script did all the single disc games OK

[sudden tusk]

Ooooooh… I thought something completely different

[serene thunder]

I bet

[tiny flare]

I had a horrible sed line to get this working for all my chd collections...

[serene thunder]

I'm culling some of the Scotty Pippin, things have gone pear-shaped

[tiny flare]

yeah, like this:

for i in *.chd ; do
    out_dir=$(basename "$i" | sed 's/\(^.*\)\.chd/\1/g;s/\(^.*\) (Disc [0-9])/\1/g')
    mkdir -p "$out_dir"
    cp "$i" "$out_dir/$i"
done

[serene thunder]

mamma mia

cheers

I was ambitious, maybe flew too close to the sun

So many FMV disc variants

my brain

I'm going to go spend some time in the Healing Garden

[compact marlin]

anyone else try the x-men arcade recreation with storm? its pretty cool but feels harder than I remember the actual arcade being

[drifting frigate]

Yeah. Storm isn't balanced yet, I don't think. It's definitely smoother with Cyclops and Wolverine. Really cool to play!

[compact marlin]

yeah crazy that it was all guesswork

[drifting frigate]

Absolutely

[tall radish]

For some reason I cannot get any of my games to boot

I have a boot.rom in the same folder as my .chd games

And when I try to load a game it just reloads the bios screen

[native dagger]

Is your region setting set correctly?

[burnt matrix]

Watching the latest @naive whale video

Legitimate question, is the Saturn version of X-men Vs Street Fighter on the Saturn worth playing over the existing Arcade core?

[sudden tusk]

Short answer both are great .. personally I prefer the original arcade

[left hollow]

How bad are the loading times on saturn version?

Marvel vs Capcom on ps1 kind of wait times on loading?

[burnt matrix]

I mean I know how amazing it must’ve been to get that game on Saturn at the time

So my question is just MiSTer focused

[sudden tusk]

Load times are super brief

Thanks to the extra ram cart

[burnt matrix]

I’ll take your word @sudden tusk, thanks for your answer

[left hollow]

I'm looking forward to testing some games on saturn. I realized I had/have an old ass 2.5 ram I've been using all this time but I'll have a 3.0 soon to see if that solves all my issues with the core 😛

[tall radish]

They are usa roms and I've set the cartridge region to usa and used a usa bios

No matter what I try it just keeps rebooting to the bios screen

[native dagger]

See if the region free Hitachi bios works better for you

I think it's usually the recommended one

[old pasture]

Unless there's extra modes or characters. CPS2 would always be the best choice. I don't know the game well enough to tell the difference. The Saturn version feels great.

[celest ingot]

I just switched to a new 3.0 ram this past week and it's a big improvement! Now the sound/music doesn't cut out in games like Nights, Panzer Dragoon, etc.

[frank crater]

Super turbo loading times though...

[quick sorrel]

Reliving the glory and gloating days over my friends who played PSX versions of fighting games. Saturn + RAM carts 💪🤓

[small gust]

I have never touched the saturn version of x-men vs street fighter, but I hear its almost arcade perfect.
But played alot of the arcade and psx port over the years.

For me personally, I think the main reason to play the saturn port would be when playing versus friends. It can be a bit annoying to not go back to the the character select screen and always go trough the "here comes a new challanger" process to start a new fight, also the winner of the previous match does not get to change characters.

Me and my friends has always, since the 90s played by the rule, the winner passes the controller to the next person, and the looser continues playing. We have always done this to keep our skill levels as close as possible to each other.

So a proper versus mode gives us an easier time.

Also I have managed to get x-men vs street fighter on the cps2 core to lock up and reboot a few times when playing versus. Might be an issue on my end though. Who knows.

[old pasture]

I can't remember if CPS2 has event mode. CPS3 definitely does. Which is great for tournies.

[small gust]

I tried looking in the service menu of the game, but I did not find anything that resembled what I was looking for.

Don't really know what the service menu look like for cps3, but a tourney mode sounds awesome.

[wise brook]

yeah, don’t do that

boot.rom in the saturn root
chd in a folder on its own

if you don’t use a region free bios then you’ll likely want an additional folder layer

ex: saturn (boot.rom here preferably region free) /‘region’ (cd_bios.rom here)/‘game’ (chd here)

[hybrid lichen]

https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/sega-saturn/

Sorry if this has been posted recently.

[edgy hollow]

where's the serial port? It's used for the midi keyboard and floppy

[serene thunder]

I have this setup for Saturn

Except I have this special color variant of the k/b

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jarre-keyboard-play-synth-gif-18804695

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/must-be-kidding-are-you-kidding-no-laugh-gif-10311427

[tired notch]

The core continues to be optimized and enhanced though I must say, it is already amazing as it is but yet one thing I think needs some love with, namely Mulltidisc playability. Except for PDS, it still appears to be an issue. Anyone have any news on this ? Would be amazing to have the same set-up like on the PSX Core in terms of swapping discs. Plenty great Multidisc games out there that can't be played past CD1.

[tall radish]

So I have /games/Saturn and /BIOS/Saturn as separate directories. Keep the bios file out of the games folder ?

Really frustrating getting this core to work

[mortal mist]

the way to run games for this core is no different from for example PSX. It works the same way. Games should be in separate folders placed in the games/SATURN folder and boot.rom in the games/SATURN folder

[tall radish]

But my games are .chd so they are all single files in the games/Saturn folder

Even though they are single files they should be in their own individual folders ?

Is this wrong ?

When I have it setup this this it autoboots into the bios

Then I click a chd and it loads boot.rom?

And goes back to the bios screen

[mortal mist]

redumps ?

[tall radish]

I tried creating a separate games folder in here that I moved all the chd into a suggested, but that changed nothing

[tall radish]

Cant recall where I got them but they have booted before I'm not sure if something changed in the last update ?

[shadow merlin]

Even if they’re chd they should be in their own folders. Only exception is that discs from the same game should share a folder

[mortal mist]

having all games in only one folder, they are treated like a multi disc game and share internal memory for saves

[tall radish]

OK I'm testing by moving 3D baseball into its own folder

[mortal mist]

one more thing , auto region requires unstable mister main for now.

if you don't use it , set the region manually

[tall radish]

Can see here region is set to usa, game is loaded from a directory and when I select the game it loads boot.rom and goes back to the bios screen

[mortal mist]

please check that the bin/cue version of the game loads correctly

[tall radish]

Here is something even crazier, I tried it with my other mister linked to the same retronas and the CHDs load!

Same bios and everything

And the chd do not need to be in an individual folder

[mortal mist]

once more

"having all games in only one folder, they are treated like a multi disc game and share internal memory for saves"

you can use them as you like , but it is not correct

of course they will work

in one folder , no prob

[tall radish]

I understand but the point is that them not loading on my mister is not related to them not being in individual folders

There is some other issue

[mortal mist]

yes , so your setup

core is ok

[tall radish]

What else can I check ?

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with retronas solution. Check if games work from sd card

if the other cores work ok then I assume the sdram is ok

[wise brook]

that’s the last time i ever bother to explain folder structures

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/can-yaman-can-divit-erkencikus-be-strong-motivate-gif-17282009

[burnt matrix]

each game in its own folder

[hearty marten]

“But it works having everything in the same folder… except when it doesn’t and my saves get corrupted. Why do I have to put it in the same folder when I have chds which are a single file?” 🥺

Honestly when you’ve been around for a while, you see why anyone involved in support usually ends up grumpy

[wise brook]

me now

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-palpatine-sheev-palpatine-power-star-wars-gif-16503984

when newbies ask for help

[sudden tusk]

Hi I just bought my sega saturn core today! Was wondering if I could put psx games in my Saturn folder so I can play crash bandicoot on my Saturn

Any and all help would be appreciated

[burnt matrix]

Yes

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/obelix-baffe-gif-18134810880622570285

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-jester-disenchantment-what-do-you-want-what-is-it-gif-7990478239852363333

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/white-russian-big-lebowski-doubliface-gif-18060190

[sudden tusk]

The tittle for this game is ridiculous af

Super Karen ?

https://tenor.com/view/karen-karening-intensifies-done-i-am-done-gif-16742218

[rich violet]

It's a cycling event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin

[sudden tusk]

Thanks for the history lesson professor!

https://tenor.com/view/nletter-gif-4360325

[hearty carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/pai-mei-kill-bill-tarantino-gif-3452340

everyone in here explaining folders again

[pearl harbor]

srg320 is asking for more details on how to reproduce the crashes in Shining Force III, but I'm not sure what to say about it since it's so random. If anyone is able to figure out a reliable way to trigger the crash, that would be super helpful!

I just said on Github that it's difficult to reproduce it reliably. Sometimes it happens during a normal attack, sometimes it happens when an enemy unit attacks my party member, sometimes it happens when a spell is cast. It's just so random feeling.

The only thing reliable about it is that it only seems to happen during the 3D battle animations.

[thorn pagoda]

does it happen on an attract mode or anything?

even just posting him a save in an area where he can quickly get in a battle may help

[pearl harbor]

He has a save already for the first battle. It's just difficult to reliably reproduce the crash.

[trim nimbus]

how deterministic is the battle? Does the RNG seed get saved with your file to prevent save scumming?

[pearl harbor]

I have no clue. I did just upload a new save to the github when it is the mage's turn where he can cast the blaze spell. It doesn't happen every time, and it also happens with other characters and other types of attacks. But it seems to happen very often with that blaze spell, so hopefully that will help him figure out the problem!

[sudden tusk]

Yeah crashes are super random , I’m deep into dragon force but I’ll put it down to test SFE III

Just gotta do one more in game day cycle .. btw I’m deep into DF and the game is nearly flawless except for a random queef once in a while when you defeat a general

[clear condor]

I'm pretty sure the crashes are due to the lack of lightgun support. So that should definitely be prioritized.

[burnt matrix]

Sorry I should've said this earlier but we shouldn't make light of people with silly questions or questions we've answered a thousand times before. We were all beginners once and I'm still learning quite a bit. In fact I continue to ask silly questions right now.

No one did that, I'm just trying to put that out there.

[wise brook]

no

bulli at will

[burnt matrix]

lol

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-bill-pai-mei-hand-brush-beard-nod-gif-3451679

the cruel lessons of the Saturn discord

[burnt matrix]

well ok, but if they get mad tell them to talk to me haha

[hearty carbon]

First, you've got to get mad.

https://tenor.com/view/mad-angry-annoyed-im-as-mad-as-hell-not-gonna-take-this-anymore-gif-16436918

[wise brook]

now i wanna watch Kill Bill

[pearl harbor]

I'm always asking novice questions! Especially in the Computer Cores thread!

[hearty carbon]

By definition, all my questions are novice questions

[tough star]

@unkempt kelp thanks for jumping on the 'boots' games and retesting them 😄

[unkempt kelp]

Yeah, no problem!

[hearty marten]

Yeah, that was me. I’m okay with questions, it’s the cases where people refuse to listen to the answers that I was making fun of - which I think is probably fair game…

But apologies to anyone who was offended.

[sinful verge]

How do emulators and odes handle multi disc games? Do they have to be in the same folder?? I never played games far enough for disc change on emulators heh heh

[thorn pagoda]

odes yeah usually by folder nesting

not sure about emulators

[sinful verge]

Ah good to know about ode. thanks

[burnt matrix]

No one was offended at all. I think I encouraged the dog piling initially with my giant text so I felt like I should say something. Also you did no wrong. No one did. This community is full of great people.

[mortal mist]

fixes for Shinig Force III and Discworld soon @pearl harbor 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Damnit, I asked him not to fix those games!

[mortal mist]

he never listens

[wise brook]

@dense hill there you go

perhaps it’s time to get stuck in

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/virtua-fighter-sega-lau-chan-vf-yu-suzuki-gif-13859372

[wise brook]

i’ve not seen “CKCHDxxx” as a thing before

but i know the SMPC is the conductor of the Saturn’ silicon

[dense hill]

oh damn. I will still wait for another person to be a guinea pig though haha. thanks so much for telling me, that's nice of you

[mortal mist]

sometimes it's worth making a little effort and taking a risk 🙂

[dense hill]

yeah but your boy is mega busy haha

I'm porting Jump Ship

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-soccer-coach-sega-commercial-gif-332257612153395943

and this is supposed to be an excuse ?

SEGGAAAA

[burnt matrix]

I agree, you’re not showing Saturn discipline!!

[dense hill]

hahaha

[mortal mist]

😄

[dense hill]

SAYGAAAAAAAAAH

[cursive turtle]

Sega Saturn

[dense hill]

it's the greatest box in history

from the

town of tokyo

[sterile roost]

Literally not possible to keep up with all these updates lol

[burnt matrix]

If you believe in , then will beleive in you

[sterile roost]

srg is the new Robert

[naive whale]

ooh fun. LMK whats good and I can capture

[mortal mist]

fixed Discworld and Shinig Force III

[naive whale]

awesome. Probably wont run it til tomorrow or Thurs

just did Saturn on Sunday

anyone in here testing Shining Force III and have a capture card? I am NOT to that point in the game SAVE wise

[mortal mist]

save file is available on github

[naive whale]

link me up

[mortal mist]

(during battle )

[naive whale]

I forgot about that

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/15

[naive whale]

oh wait I do have that

lol I forget by now WTF is going on sometimes. I only have like 120 saturn testing videos Ive released

so just more Shining Force III freeze fixes and Discworld...got it

[mortal mist]

You don't love Saturn as much as you should, correct yourself! 😄

[naive whale]

Ive got 117 Saturn videos and 120 N64 ones...you remember the fine details after 237 10 minute plus videos

10 minumum...I think I am closer to 100 hours of combined content

[mortal mist]

the ones from Saturn you should remember , definitely 🤪

https://tenor.com/view/sega-genesis-sega-zaxxon-nintendo-game-console-sega-video-game-gif-20535098

[zenith elbow]

I know it's a long shot but I hope the Saturn core can get some kind of setting to prevent signal drop in Die Hard Arcade (or if someone can make a hack for the original to stop that). I swear there is no other game I can think of that drops signal as much as that game. Its at every screen transition!

Literally unplayable on a modern TV due to the signal drop and QTEs between fights

And yes I know that's just how the game is. Problem happens on real hardware too

[mortal mist]

I have no such problem

i use vsync 1 , and 1080p no prob with switching res

[fresh gale]

The Metr0id user in that issue is a bit of a legend for finding a way to reproduce and with the articulation. Well done all round for closing off that one

[quasi grove]

anyone use a crt? i persume that the interlaced modes havent been implimented yet,, games like virtua fighter 2,, dead or alive etc or any screen interlaced doesnt work,, it interlaces the same fields in 240p

[mortal mist]

yes , no proper interlace

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/170

[quasi grove]

ok cheers thought that my mister was the problem

[timid obsidian]

Sega Rally wont load into stages on latest unstable or is it just me? Tried with and without 4mb ram. Us release of Netlink version and on the the normal one. I get a white screen after pressing Arcade or after selecting car in timetrial.

[mortal mist]

Sega Rally works fine

[timid obsidian]

yeah it has worked fine before, strange.

[mortal mist]

I checked the two versions with single core , it is ok

[sudden tusk]

Testing in a sec but no card 😦

[ancient surge]

The lack of 480i support with analog also impacts the direct video setting, so if you have a RetroTink 4K or Morph 4K, the image will be distorted whenever interlacing happens.

[naive whale]

I got it 🙂

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-everyone-hubert-billy-west-futurama-i-have-some-exciting-news-gif-227675450524204625

[sudden tusk]

Just played through the entire second mission of sfe III casted multiple healing and blaze spells and nothing froze !

[naive whale]

noted for VO!

[pearl harbor]

Time to get testing!

[sudden tusk]

I wasn’t able to save one of the dudes that can join the force during the second mission so I’m about to replay it and try to optimize my strats bros

Those fucking bats that poison you suck butt!

[pearl harbor]

I heard he likes cheese.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/krule-john-c-reilly-what-face-reaction-gif-16881707

Goddang the character design in SF III E1 is so godlike

[pearl harbor]

lol, I was trying to reply to someone else. Discord has been really off lately.

[pearl harbor]

I heard he likes cheese! (please get it right this time Discord!)

So far so good on Shining Force III! I'm going to try the entire second battle (the bridge battle) to see if I get through it without crashes.

[sudden tusk]

I’m on that battle now trying to optimize my run and so far so good!

Third run through of trying to save both dudes and keep everyone alive .. watch out for the bats because they can poison .. hopefully you have a couple of antidote herbs in your inventory

[pearl harbor]

I usually only worry about keeping the green haired guy alive. The blue haired guy always feels like a lost cause!

[sudden tusk]

Green hair guy is OP , blue hair dude just runs away after you speak to him .. so use him as a damage sponge until he is low on health

Also remember to hold start during the battle scenes to make the menu boxes disappear and get a great view

[pearl harbor]

Whoa, blue haired guy might actually survive this attempt.

[sudden tusk]

Talk to green hair guy asap he rules against bats !!

Blue hair guy yeeeted!

[pearl harbor]

Damn, both survived!

lol, I had my healer deal the killing blow on the boss in that battle.

[sudden tusk]

Had my mage do it for me got her to lvl 3

Fuck yeah ! The own is all free to explore

[pearl harbor]

Anyway, that's two battles with no issues! I think I can call it on this one for now. The game seems to be without issues!

[sudden tusk]

Agreed!! Time to really enjoy SF III E1-3

[pearl harbor]

And with the gouraud shading support added recently, I think we finally have a fully working Shining Force III! Unless of couse a random bug occurs later in the game anyway, but that requires a ton of testing.

[mortal mist]

thanks for checking @pearl harbor @sudden tusk !

[hearty marten]

So the core is basically finished now, right? 🥳

[drowsy hull]

does it have cheats yet?

[hearty marten]

No

[sudden tusk]

Not until battle monsters is 100% perfect

I know of at least one game that wasn’t working properly last build let’s see if this one fixed it

The game in question is WWF in your house!

[pearl harbor]

I should note that I've now tested both the original USA release of Shining Force III and the fan translation version. And both work on my end. 🎉

[sudden tusk]

It’s a happy day for fpga/turn based strategy fans

[rich violet]

Has anyone tried Machine Head?
I don't see it on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/edit#gid=755856307

[mortal mist]

Yeah USA version ( Machine Head = Blam! Machinehead )

Works ok

[hearty marten]

Time gal seems to be fixed too

[hearty marten]

Not in my library, so not relevant 😉

[serene thunder]

Best game on Saturn

[hearty marten]

I’ll look it up 🙂

Looks… interesting

[serene thunder]

haha

Perhaps not as good as Radiant Silvergun or Grandia

but it's fun vs. friends!

[hearty marten]

Ha, joke’s on you - I don’t have any friends!

😂

[ripe valley]

I need to perform some tests later.
But I'm busy right now. Someone is asking me a really complex card dumping and I need to focus on it.

[ripe valley]

No changes.
The game freezes on the 3rd sequence (same for Ninja Hayate) or when you launch the game directly as your first game on the core.

Something else seems to be at fault on the SMPC for these games.

[mortal mist]

I can't reproduce this

game works fine for me

jp bios 1.01, bin/cue

launches whether it is first or after other games. The sequences above 3 also work

[hearty marten]

Yep, I’m having the same behaviour as kuba. Works fine for me

Hi-Saturn 1.02 (patched region free), using chd for me

[thorn pagoda]

could it be a snac/notsnac difference?

[hearty marten]

(Single ram, v3.0)

[thorn pagoda]

psx had a few of those

[hearty marten]

No snac for me. I’m just a poor boy from a poor family - spare me this life from this monstrosity

Oh, no, wait - it does seem to freeze at the end of the third sequence

🤦🏻‍♂️

I was certain I got further than that last time

(But I do have no problems launching it as the first game, or later)

[thorn pagoda]

if you can - grab a screenshot so everyone knows where its meant to freeze

[hearty marten]

The sequences are randomized, so I don’t think that will help

[thorn pagoda]

ah yeah that'd probably just be even more confusing 😄

[hearty marten]

Also it’s not quite a freeze, you get a black screen with the score etc flashing. It’s weird

[ripe valley]

Freezes on the SMPC chip when I check further.

[hearty marten]

I defer to your expertise. Sorry for confusing matters!

Anyone know what the best version of Duke Nukem 3D on the MiSTer is? I suspect ao486 can’t play it well. The Saturn port seems okay-ish, but how are the others?

[burnt matrix]

N64 version

I'm not joking

[hearty marten]

Thanks. I’ll give it a whirl 🙂

[tall radish]

oh shit that reminds me I need to engage in a dukematch

[prisma wraith]

Saturn version is said to be better than PSX, from a performance standpoint. PSX has an extra episode though, with a much rougher framerate often times. Saturn version uses the powerslave engine.

[pearl harbor]

I love that you actually feel the need to clarify this. What does that tell you about your conduct Robby!?

[burnt matrix]

yeah lol, I'm a victim of my own success

[hearty carbon]

Saturn version had cooler lighting effects iirc but I never played the N64 version.

Was it edited to hell?

[hearty marten]

It’s interesting, but a completely different game on the N64. Different engine at least

[prisma wraith]

works with analog on Saturn also

[hearty marten]

Saturn one feels more like the PC version

[hearty carbon]

I played so much of the Netlink Saturn version

[pearl harbor]

Running on the Powerslave engine definitely means it's really darn good from a technical standpoint.

[hearty marten]

Just that awful hold X to pitch up 🤮

[burnt matrix]

Each version has its plusses and minuses, it's kind of interesting that way

N64 is the smoothest, most consistent FPS

[hearty carbon]

back when ports were ports

[hearty marten]

Ur interesting that way

[burnt matrix]

PS1 has worst FPS but an exclusive chapter

[hearty marten]

If I wanted smooth and consistent fps I’d use my pc. I’m here for the jank

[pearl harbor]

I do like that N64 got a lot of unique FPS ports that were basically entirely unique games/sequels. Doom 64 is honestly my favorite classic Doom game.

[hearty marten]

Doom 64 is awesome

[tall radish]

the n64 is the ideal version to play on the couch with friends while eating pizza rolls (but you made the pizza rolls yourself with the fancy bread)

[hearty marten]

That’s before Robby butchered the series, right?

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[pearl harbor]

Day-um. Went for the jugular.

[burnt matrix]

yeah I guess I should rephrase, I don't think there's a best

[hearty marten]

He knows I’m kidding ❤️

[burnt matrix]

but N64 is smoothest + coop so I recommend that one

Saturn one is cool as hell

cause of the slave driver engine

[hearty carbon]

I like that PC ports are largely just the same game on PC and console, in some ways (when it's beneficial to me on PC mostly, but I do miss the days when every version was different.

[hearty marten]

Co-op?! Now I need to find some friends!

[hearty carbon]

We lost the flavor to get better consistency

[tall radish]

and pizza rolls

[hearty marten]

And those

[pearl harbor]

The true final boss.

[hearty marten]

My gf can’t even move in a straight line on a 2d platformer

[burnt matrix]

the best is always the version you grew up with imo

technical and design improvements don't matter in the face of nostalgia

[pearl harbor]

But I grew up with SNES Doom...

[burnt matrix]

I think that version is super cool imo

[cunning oak]

Yikes

[burnt matrix]

like is it playable? no lol

[hearty carbon]

make sure to find 2-3, maybe 4-5 friends if some of them are flaky, but modern gaming needs you to have exactly 4 people with consistent schedules to play the same game for your 'dailies' until the sequel comes out or the servers are taken down.

[pearl harbor]

haha, from a technical standpoint SNES Doom is a genuine marvel.

[burnt matrix]

but what they achieved on an SNES is amazing

[cunning oak]

^

[tall radish]

I kinda want to see what kinds of romhacks are available for snes doom

[hearty carbon]

Zero Tolerance on Genesis had some interesting ideas running on the same technical tricks DOOM SNES ran on

(postage stamp playscreen, etc.)

[burnt matrix]

yeah that game is super cool too

[hearty carbon]

Getting knocked around by enemies felt like the future

[burnt matrix]

oh god lol, yeah in some ways it did

like "woah, I've got physics?"

or the kid equiavlent

[hearty marten]

Gonna lose some serious gamer points, but I didn’t discover doom until much later. As in, after call of duty and all those games became a thing. FPS games never really appealed to me as a kid. It’s insane how well it holds up even today

[hearty carbon]

it's wild how much it changes just playing with the difficulty too

Feels like a survival horror game on the highest levels

[hearty marten]

Had the time of my life playing Doom 1+2 for the first time like 15 years after the fact

[pearl harbor]

I absolutely love Doom and Doom 64. I'm a little on the fence with Doom 2 and some of its level design.

[hearty marten]

https://youtu.be/BSsfjHCFosw?si=JH3B7xdCdVlJtu7D probably the best game music ever

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-cat-scream-head-bang-thurston-waffles-gif-15809057

[serene thunder]

Rise of the Triad

runs great

Duke 3D, sadly, does not

[hearty marten]

Another one I need to try

[serene thunder]

Powerslave on Saturn

Isn't BUG! a FPS? Festering Pile of Shite

Keed, BUG! is OK with me

[hearty marten]

Glad you corrected yourself. I hear Robby loves Bug! That was almost a bannable offence

[left hollow]

Swapped my 2.5 ram to 3.0 today, no more weird audio in croc anymore. Nice

[tawny forge]

Where’s Aktane? 🤔

[left hollow]

They leave out of frustration a while ago?

[tawny forge]

Damn! All he needed was a new de10 nano 😔

[sudden tusk]

Getting deep into shinning force 3 hours of playtime and nothing but incredibly minor flaws

[burnt matrix]

like what

[left hollow]

What are the minor flaws?

[tawny forge]

Probably stuff that also happens on real hw

[left hollow]

Could be

[dense hill]

it's funny that discworld and shinjng force were the only games I cared about playing and both were broken now both are fixed together

[native dagger]

Hasn't discworld been available on playstation for a while?

[left hollow]

Isn't discworld a ms dos game?

[burnt matrix]

Isn’t Discworld a book series?

Does the Sky Target intro FMV freeze for anyone else?

[native dagger]

Yeah, the wailing guitar came in and broke the whole thing for me

[kindred fractal]

that's just the power of electric guitar for ya

[left hollow]

It loaded it up just for you and it does indeed crash

[past forge]

Anyone else buy a Saturn controller adapter for SNAC from Misteraddons and having trouble fitting a Saturn controller connector into it?

[inner token]

like your device doesn't fit into the connector or just bad connection?

[past forge]

I tried a Saturn original controller and a retro-bit adapter and neither fit into the connector

[inner token]

huh that does seem odd, I haven't heard of anyone having that problem before.

[green swift]

That female Saturn connector is apparently the only 3rd party connector out there and it’s off dubious quality. That manufacturer needs some competition.

[past forge]

Here's a side by side - Bliss is on the left, MisterAddons on the right:

[green swift]

Maybe once the 3rd party N64 stick situation is fixed the Saturn controller port will get attention next.

[delicate mantle]

Jeff minter Had a Atari st visualizer that I was trying to track down.

[past forge]

I'd use the Bliss adapter since those fit perfectly and I already had them but unfortunately it seems like there's some sort of wiring issue where SNAC doesn't recognize it properly. Button presses get recognized but don't seem correct - like the face buttons on the controller will operate D-pad directions etc. This happened whether using the SNAX64 adapter or this Bliss-box HDMI to SNAC adapter. That's why I bought this adapter from MisterAddons

https://misterfpga.co.uk/product/mister-fpga-snac-adapter-hdmi/

I guess SNAC programming wasn't wired for the Bliss adapters?

[delicate mantle]

https://youtu.be/y2te2xM1rxw?si=XU9cb8_Ip1bKha4Q

[serene thunder]

Dang, oldschool

[delicate mantle]

Yeah I want to put it on the oled tv so bad.

[serene thunder]

I used to have things set up so that I could tap one button on a remote and anything I was watching on the projector would get losslessly captured

Many VJ clips made this way

[inner token]

most MA and bliss cables are wired the same, a few are wired different. saturn, psx, n64 are different iirc

[past forge]

makes sense

man, on the list of potential SNAC adapter issues, "won't physically accommodate the controller" wasn't on my expected list, lol

[inner token]

maybe it's just warped plastic that's giving you trouble.

might have to contact MA on his help page with a pic and description and see what he thinks

[past forge]

yeah that'll be the next stop

[pearl harbor]

Pretty sure it's a world made out of discs. Obviously!

[sudden tusk]

Minor distorted sounds when defeating enemies .. and some odd layering but again very minor and probably present in real hardware

Amazing game

[past forge]

Replying to myself here for posterity - the way the connector is shaped, I can't get the controller connectors to fit if trying to insert head on. But if I insert the edge of one side, left or right first, it fits in

might help anyone else that runs into the same issue

[cinder hawk]

I got one recently. Tested with an official controller and 3D control pad. They fit, but it's a bit tight. Wiggling it in slowly seems to work

[dense hill]

is there a multitap on saturn?

was trying to play obscene saturn bomberman yesterday but could only figure out how to make 2 player work

[wise brook]

only via snac for now

[dense hill]

ahhh

[hearty marten]

What’s the benefit of the Saturn version over the PSX?

[mortal mist]

better music

[hearty marten]

Ahh, good to know

No mouse support yet though, right?

[mortal mist]

never tried 🙂

[ripe valley]

No mouse at the moment.

A feature request was done some time ago.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/146

[thorn pagoda]

i can imagine thats on a list of things for "maybe if there's room after all critical features are in"

[ripe valley]

You're right.

[thorn pagoda]

though i think at this point all critical features are infact in right?

[ripe valley]

To be fair, this is not what will take the most resources, adding mouse support.

[thorn pagoda]

oh yeah its probably tiny really

[ancient surge]

At the very least, the interlace support over analog should be considered a critical feature. There are a number of games that use interlacing on the SEGA Saturn, so fixing that should be important.

It's especially important now that the core has that metadata so scaling devices like the RetroTink 4K and the Morph 4K can use the direct video for scaling

[thorn pagoda]

yeah that is really important actually

[coarse night]

just tried the new unstable nightlies and i must say i am very impressed - seems like the core is nearing completion. No more freezes in the usual culprits. Are there any games with major glitches left?

[burnt matrix]

We have a crash with Sky Target but just don’t watch the intro cutscene and you’ll be fine, haha

Speaking of which I should get that issue reported on GitHub

[ancient surge]

I think Fighters Megamix still has that crash with the introduction cutscene.

Haven't tested that out yet.

[bleak escarp]

I haven't tested with the cutscene, wasn't aware of the crash I honestly just boot it up every build and see if stages with walls still lag

[burnt matrix]

DOA has lag when starting a match during the intro camera flyby

[full shore]

Does the SS core have CRT support yet?

[thorn pagoda]

yeah

interlace is still a bit weird but thats pretty rare

[burnt matrix]

Ok made the bug - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/183

[pastel basalt]

Saw some additional graphical bugs in battle garegga; now I’m thinking the sprite bugs may be specific to the single sdram build so not sure if they’re worth reporting

[burnt matrix]

they are always worth reporting, especially if it's easy to reproduce

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

I don't see any issues there, we discussed this topic

maybe let more people check if this game works ok.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that, disregard what I said. He's right on the money

[mortal mist]

At what point does it freeze ? ?

[burnt matrix]

Like maybe 10s into the intro

[mortal mist]

i tested only bin/cue , works ok

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh, you know what I'm doing CHD

[pastel basalt]

Yeah I updated to mister unstable nightly; the core difference is you’re running the dual sdram build here right?

[burnt matrix]

I added that to the bug report

[mortal mist]

ok it crashed the third time 🙂

[pastel basalt]

Well if anyone running the single sdram build gets a chance to test, please let me know if you have graphical glitches in medal/bullet sprites

[mortal mist]

i tested single and dual

[pastel basalt]

Oh damn lol

[burnt matrix]

Thanks for triple checking. It could be my setup or that I'm using CHD but it crashes consistently for me on a dual ram build.

[pastel basalt]

Thanks for testing. Must be something specifically off with my setup

[mortal mist]

this occurs every time or sporadically ?

[pastel basalt]

Every time yeah

[mortal mist]

what bios ?

[pastel basalt]

It’s the first game I test with each new unstable build

[pastel basalt]

Ah good question let me confirm but I believe it’s jp 1.01

[mortal mist]

regio free or regular ?

[pastel basalt]

Regular

[mortal mist]

single sdram 20240409 , jp 1.01 , bin/cue

looks fine for me

[hearty marten]

Yeah, mouse isn’t all that important for me. Just highlighting one benefit over using the PSX core for discworld as things stand

[pastel basalt]

really appreciate the additional testing kuba 🙏

[mortal mist]

no problem, just too bad , I can't help ....

[native dagger]

Single ram hi saturn and garegga looks perfect to me too

CHD and latest unstable

[mortal mist]

have you tried a different game image ?

[pastel basalt]

yeah so far just two versions; I'll verfiy the redump version

And just to clarify, you probably also don’t see medal sprites like this, right?

[mortal mist]

everything looks ok , medals too

sprites have no errors

[pastel basalt]

Ty

[mortal mist]

your ram is 2.9/3.0 ?

[pastel basalt]

Yeah 3.0 from misteraddons

[native dagger]

Messing with the debug settings while garegga is running is cool

[pastel basalt]

game image looks good

I'm going to try a different bios

okay wow I have made a discovery

kuba one last thing to try on your end- could you try switching the video mode in the options for the game so that the screen is filled with the entire vertical resolution? let me take a picture of what I'm talking about

So in the default screen option for the game, the graphics look fine for me. It’s only when I use the screen mode above that medals start breaking

And other sprites

[native dagger]

Oh yeah that messes it all up for me

[pastel basalt]

Thanks for testing! Hurray

I’m not as crazy as I thought

I just always immediately switch to that screen mode

[thorn pagoda]

nice find

[mortal mist]

Yeah , broken sprites with that mode 🙂

[pastel basalt]

all other options look fine with no broken sprites

[green swift]

Sega Rally no longer working for me either on most recent release. I get the white screen freeze after selecting a car.

April 6th build worked.

[pearl harbor]

You worked on Bug! !? Did you also work on Bug Too! !? Legend!

[serene thunder]

We need a BUG! reskin of DOOM

Can AI do something like that? Replace textures in a screenshot?

[burnt matrix]

It’s true!

[pearl harbor]

We are not worthy!

[trim nimbus]

Is it also true that Kojima was originally going to work on Bug! but when he found out you were working on it he said “I can’t work on any system that Robby is associated with” and switched to Playstation development?

[burnt matrix]

Also true!

I told him “why don’t you do me a solid and gear up for some metal gaming.” and the rest is history!

[mortal mist]

Metal Gear Bug!

[past forge]

if anyone else wants to confirm, I opened an issue regarding inventory black screen in RE starting with the 4/6 unstable build:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/185

[celest ingot]

I played RE on the weekend and experienced the same issue, but when I tried the previous unstable build it worked

[past forge]

yeah in my testing 4/3 was the last version without the issue

[sacred goblet]

In the game mystaria when i launche a new game the sound effect repeat several times. I dont think this is normal.

[mortal mist]

yes , it;s a bug 🙂

there should only be a single sound

[sudden tusk]

Wwf in your house

[hearty marten]

As a kid who started with War zone and Attitude on the PS1, I hated that game. As an adult, I appreciate it a lot more

[sudden tusk]

The original is way better

[hearty marten]

What’s the original?

Oh, WrestleMania?

[tribal valley]

I tried playing Shining Force 3 on the Saturn core, but I'm getting a "disk unsuitable for this system" error at the bios...

I'm using the hitachi bios 1.03

I got the same error with some games, but others, like Ogre Battle (fan-translated) worked just fine

[wise brook]

use another one

[tribal valley]

Am I doing something wrong?

[wise brook]

1.02

[tribal valley]

I tried that too

[thorn pagoda]

probably worth posting a save so he doesn't have to go through the intro sequence over and over

[tribal valley]

At least, I think I did... the MiSTer will randomly use the 1.03 bios even after I select the 1.02 from the menu...

Maybe because it's the default one

I'll try it again

[gloomy hedge]

whats up

I no need mister, have real saturn, happy 😛

[tawny forge]

Whoa! Thought you’ve left dude

Glad you’re still here

We have the Aktane of the N64 core

[gloomy hedge]

i did and i have returned

[gloomy hedge]

please make sure they are named "Aktane" to avoid any confusion

[tawny forge]

Check it out the n64 channel lol

[gloomy hedge]

nah you have to unlock the car, which means beating the 4th track!

[tawny forge]

Mars pretty soon also right lol

[gloomy hedge]

shhh we dont talk about that here

or I'll be asking what happened to bootsector

they got murdered by the mods

[past forge]

Good call I'll do that

[gloomy hedge]

I'm only here to ask if MiSTer autofire is fixed...

or is it still fuxed

but this is not a saturn problem

[prisma wraith]

Hi Aktane. What was broken with it and why did you leave before?

can dm me if you'd rather talk there. just surprised to hear that

[gloomy hedge]

no need to answer the second question but the first question is basicallyt

take for example Gigawing or ESPRade

if I assign button A to 2 Physical buttons

[prisma wraith]

oh it cancels out

[gloomy hedge]

and I assign Rapid to 1, and leave the other one as is

yeah

so like you cant play those games the same way as in (GASP!!!!) mame (END GASP!!!)

[prisma wraith]

yeah its been that way since the beginning. always a pet peeve of mine also, but I just use the turbofire on my arcade sticks since they have that and it avoids the issue

[gloomy hedge]

yeah but there's gotta be an easy way to fix it

auto + non auto should always = nonauto

[prisma wraith]

Input is pretty complex on MiSTer, might need an extensive re-write to support such things even if it seems like a simple thing on the surface.

[gloomy hedge]

interesting

[prisma wraith]

@warped saddle would know much more on this subject

[gloomy hedge]

zakk already knows

as in, ive brought this up before

I was only joking, I dont expect it to be fixed but it is fucked tho

also @warped saddle might be in Calice so they might know why Im specifically annoyed by this for Gigawing 😛

[prisma wraith]

same thing for if you double-bind keys to the same button, pressing the original button will cancel them out. puts a stifle in my Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX 6-button configurations for Game Boy Advance also, unfortunately

[gloomy hedge]

since otherwise gigawing plays BEST on mister

I'll use some external auto and figure it out, no big

[warped saddle]

I have a fixed version. plz join my onlyfans patreon

[prisma wraith]

still i love playing like that for SFA3 and SF2 Turbo on GBA vs using the weird 4 button setup, just gotta be careful with hitting buttons at the same time

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-ъуъ-gif-4787994689263890030

[gloomy hedge]

yeeah well in gigawing, if you dont get a reflect

your run is over

its actually the end of the world lol

and you dont know until you got hit basically

[prisma wraith]

ive struggled with it in shooters before also and just use the couple sticks i have with turbo toggles for individual buttons mostly for them now. probably best to go that route if youre playing for scores or other competitive scenarios

until Zakk unleashes the secret sauce, that is 😅

[drifting frigate]

Boulder loves the Saturn core.

[tribal valley]

So I changed the bios to hi-saturn 1.02 and I still can't load Shining Force 3... it says the disc is unsuitable... the region on my Saturn core is set to auto too... what am I doing wrong?

[tawny forge]

@gloomy hedge what do you think?

[tribal valley]

It doesn't seem to load any non-Japanese discs

[gloomy hedge]

why are you asking me, I have a real saturn lol

[tribal valley]

By setting the core region to USA, I can load the USA games... but I thought setting it to Auto and using the Hi-Saturn bios, all that wouldn't be a problem

[tawny forge]

Nah! You want auto with real bioses under the right subdirectories

[native dagger]

Auto requires unstable mister, right?

[tribal valley]

Right subdirectories? Aren't you supposed to just rename your bios to boot.rom and place it in the Saturn directory where all the games are?

That's what I saw on tutorials online

[native dagger]

Auto works for me with hi saturn. I haven't tried shining force though

[lusty rapids]

auto would work with a single bios if it is the region free one. Not all hi-saturn bioses out there are region free

[native dagger]

Ahh

[tribal valley]

Oh? I saw people recommending using hi-saturn 1.02 so that's what I'm using

(Actually, I was using 1.03 before testing it this time)

[native dagger]

Are you using the unstable mister main too?

[tribal valley]

Ummm... I'm not very mister-savvy, I just run update_all every once in a while 😅

I ran it yesterday because I've heard the Saturn core got an update

[native dagger]

That's probably your issue then. I was told the same a few weeks ago.

[tribal valley]

Oh, I see... is it planned to have auto work on stable mister main at some point?

Or is that some kind of restriction?

[native dagger]

Yeah, that's usually how the process goes

[tribal valley]

Ah okay... it's a relief to know that my setup isn't borked, so I'm happy with that 🙂

[pearl harbor]

The update from yesterday is an unstable build. Update_all only uses stable builds.

The last stable build is from I believe a couple weeks ago.

[tribal valley]

Oh okay 😮

[pearl harbor]

The unstable build from yesterday is here: #unstable-nightlies message

It's actually super easy to install it! Just drop it in the _Console folder on your SD card.

[tribal valley]

I think I'll give it a try

I wonder if it fixes a graphic glitch with Ogre Battle's animations

[pearl harbor]

If you're referring to the units on the 3D map flickering up and down the map when scrolling it, no it won't fix it.

That's a problem with the fan translation.

[tribal valley]

Oh, no. The one I'm talking about happens during battle. I think I took a picture

[pearl harbor]

I haven't seen that one!

[tribal valley]

That star effect is supposed to be applied only on one of the units

[serene thunder]

Anyone else speedrunning Kyoro-chan

[rich violet]

I'm working on it!

[gloomy hedge]

I hate that track it's so annoying. Lol 😂 I literally got rammed out of it last minute last time.... You got this! Play defensive and let them ram you ahead

[gloomy hedge]

Damn all units got the star buff

[primal osprey]

It's been a hot minute with this core - any particular bios I need or can I grab all the different regions now and it auto selects? (FYI - don't need the bioses and don't need directions on how to obtain lol).

[unkempt kelp]

I use the hiSaturn region free BIOS. Not sure if it's needed anymore now that there's an auto bios option. update_all might get the correct ones for you.

[primal osprey]

awesome

[mortal mist]

As far as I know you have to get the bios yourself, it doesn't download via update all

(for Saturn)

I have a separate bios for each region

[pearl harbor]

I just use a hacked region free USA bios. I also have the "auto" bios selected in the OSD, not that it's needed with a region free bios, but either way, I've never had an issue with the setup.

[primal osprey]

ty!

[naive whale]

I still use Hi-Saturn too but mostly because I take a very "aint broke" mentality at changing files like that

[drifting frigate]

My brother had the Saturn, so I have less nostalgia for the os. I still loved playing, but never got the brain burn in like with PS. So I use HiSat, but he insists on getting the sparkle motion intro.

[unkempt kelp]

I like the unique intros for each BIOS. Saturn always feels special to me - having not had one as a kid and only playing kiosks.

[drifting frigate]

How many streams can we cross?

Oh, I guess that's an album, huh?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, can’t believe they got away with it lol

Kinda wish they didn’t, Exhumed is a cooler name

[drifting frigate]

Hard agree

[sudden tusk]

Yep

[sterile roost]

I’m still looking forward to the Mister Express case!

[serene thunder]

But but I need a specific boot animution

[naive whale]

Good old animutions 🤣

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/capyjoke-capygif-capy-yuki-rabbit-gif-16941708

That is one plump, I mean CUTE rabbit

[grim snow]

Hey VG! Thanks for the recent video about mister on CRTs. That’s one aspect I’ve been struggling to get to work how I want for some reason, but I ordered the RGB cables you used and I’ll try those when they come in. Do you think it will be worth upgrading to Analog Pro IO when it comes out for increased color depth?

[drifting frigate]

What are some others? Holy Diver...that's all I got.

[radiant karma]

Just testing the last saturn dual sdram unstable core with latest mister unstable and I have no music in Virtua Fighter 2, but I am not sure it was always like this. Is it the same for everyone else? maybe a regression?

[sudden tusk]

Nah just played yesterday and music worked .. however I lost music in G Darius

[small gust]

I guess the learned by their mistake when they went after ion maiden, which then changed to ion fury instead.

[green swift]

👆 Great game

Love the Build engine

[naive whale]

It’ll help with some color banding in spots. It’s not a “magic bullet” IMO though. We get such good RGB out of the current boards it’s more like “hey this took amazing and kinda made it a bit more…amazing”

[drifting frigate]

It's fantastic!

[green swift]

Hope they make another expansion, but I think they're focusing attention on a sequel on either an older Quake or Unreal engine.

[small gust]

I guess Alestorms "curse of the crystal coconut" crosses the stream alot, but also intentionaly, with alot of references to Donkey Kong, and even with a cover of a song from an animated dk show.

[drifting frigate]

"Threepwood!"

[grim snow]

Understood, thanks 🙏 I tried hooking up my mister to my VGA monitor (that I use for my dreamcast) and the color depth was really poor. Hopefully I can get better results on my Sony PVM with the new cables.

[teal saffron]

it's their best album

[paper tiger]

Lord of Thunder Dezant music is Rainbow's Gates of Babylon

re: crossovers?

[drifting crown]

Put the boot.rom you want in the folder with the game. It’ll auto load it.

[winter phoenix]

So I see that the March 29 update implemented external latching of HV counters. Do lightguns work now with the core, or does something else with SNAC need to be implemented?

[storm gazelle]

Arcade is "better". But Saturn version was "Gods-gift" for the time. However, it did not have any special modes that the Arcade version didn't have. No training mode for example. The only "negative" was that it was based on a different version that "fixed" some of the infinite combos. If you aren't an OCD FGC guy, Saturn plays fine.

[serene thunder]

Yeah you could argue that Zero 3 on Saturn is better than the original due to all the modes and extras

Arcade ports get pretty saucy once you enter the 32-bit CD-based era

[burnt matrix]

Is saucy bad or good in this context?

[drowsy hull]

bad

[winter phoenix]

saucy is always good

[frail token]

Is that one also on PS1

[unkempt oar]

I love the Dreamcast version because of the 3 player dramatic battle. It's awesome.

[pearl harbor]

The Saturn version has the exclusive world tour mode. One of the best single player modes ever in Street Fighter!

A shame that it isn't translated though. I'm kind of shocked that nobody has tackled that game.

[frail token]

There isn't an Alpha 3?

[pearl harbor]

Nope. Never released outside of Japan on Saturn.

Most consider the Saturn version of the game to be the definitive version of Zero/Alpha 3 because of its content.

[frail token]

Is all the text Japanese

[prisma wraith]

PSX has world tour mode also I thought? I remember training a character in that to unlock all kinds of wonky powerups

[prisma wraith]

theres a translation for the main menu floating around, but thats the only part thats in english. not very useful

[frail token]

Dang