Sega Saturn

[ripe valley]

Just some good practices over the years when doing ticketing for development environments; it should be effective for the development team & informative for the final user. Normally you must use tags on the issue tracker for classifying requests apart from the issues.
But when a ticketing system can't be used with tag directly, generally we use some brackets with the necessary "tags" needed.
So someone from a dev team could use the search system rapidly for finding the pending requests immediately.

[pearl harbor]

I always say that the N64 controller is a shockingly good Saturn controller!

[warped cliff]

couldn't agree more!

@subtle seal see its not just me 😄

[naive whale]

Damn it @burnt matrix it was not “dislike and subscribe”

[burnt matrix]

Someone’s gotta do it, might as well be me

🫡

[warped cliff]

daaaagnabbit

[winter phoenix]

What does that mean?

[burnt matrix]

It means the de10 has 9% space left to do more “stuff”

[naive whale]

Capacity of FPGA chip in essence

We got 9.4 gallons of water in a 10 gallon bucket

[winter phoenix]

Oh OK, interesting. I didn’t realize it could be “filled up”…

[naive whale]

It has so much “logic”. Think of it like a hard drive. It’s got a capacity. It can store until you hit the limit. And like a hard drive you do not want to run it 100% full. That’s when problems occur

Building the core and letting Quartus lay it out (pathing everything) gets messy at near to capacity

I’m sure someone could explain that better. I’m the media division of MiSTer 🤣 not the coding side

[agile crane]

Seeing Virtua Fighter running in the arcade for the first time ever, as a twelve year-old. On one of those huge 60" rear projection cabs. Nothing else comes close.

[burnt matrix]

Any reason to not run with “3D Pad” selected as your controller input?

I don’t see a mapping to turn analog on or off.

[serene thunder]

More like 3D Fad
That tech sure didn't go anywh

https://tenor.com/view/sega-kiss-gif-9193635882300784136

[jagged quartz]

So, gouraud shading is in? Does that mean Lara Croft no longer has a a painful looking cramp in her calf?

[wise brook]

that's the hardware part of the hardware emulation.

he's essentially rebuilding the entire mobo, even as he recreates the saturns many pieces of silicon on the fpga chip in hdl, he also has to use some of the fpga to create physical bridges between them and the rest of the DE10

[jagged quartz]

@serene thunder Yeah, there was a rendering error in her calf that made the shading look inverted. It almost looked like she was having the worst leg cramp of her life XD

[serene thunder]

This is how I look at my SEGA consoles

[woven veldt]

Not only Astal, Panzer Dragoon 1 (USA), stage 2 sound get warbled when fighting against the giant worm the second time (when he throws dozens of green thinggies)...

[burnt matrix]

Ok Bug doesn’t work with the 3D Pad. Cant have that, back to Digital as the default.

[safe trail]

Is SNAC supported ? That would be the only way to get light gun going, and the starting point for mouse

[winter phoenix]

Yeah some games (especially earlier ones before the 3D pad came out, like Bug) don’t work with it

[burnt matrix]

SNAC is supported but not yet implemented in the public core

Speaking of which, @inner token you think SNAC is ready for prime time now that the core has been updated for everyone?

[warped cliff]

Yeah some games simply don't work with 3d pad.. earthworm jim 2 is another

which btw looks amazing on the Saturn

[frail token]

So I'm here with another hot take

People say the Sega CD is best version of Earthworm Jim and Saturn best of EWJ2

but like the Sega CD has that awful big bruty level that I just can't STAND, it's unplayable for me, and the Saturn EWJ2 plays rather differently in my view than the other versions, like in the Lorenzen's Soil or whatever it's called stage I kept running out of time, and the marshmallow stages handle more touchy

so I'm not convinced

However the soundtracks on those are much better

Saturn has Gouraud shading added and is in update_all now

Me too but I WANT to like the Sega CD version

if there was a hack that took out that shitty, shitty stage that might be the best

[serene thunder]

SNES EWJ 1 looked amazing back then

[frail token]

the SNES version looks better and has better controls but is missing a stage

[serene thunder]

I was a devoted Genesis kid, but certain SNES games stood out

[frail token]

Yeah that's distracting

but I looooooooooooooooooove the Lorenzen Soil music

it needs a save feature bad though I didn't want to abandon my game

[serene thunder]

I got SNES early, but all the slowdown made me nervous
Plus the wonky music with patented muffle horns

[frail token]

Wait there's a password system?

you mean I didn't need to lose my game?!?

oh, I don't remember a password in Genesis or Saturn

maybe I missed it on Saturn

uhhhh okay

lol

It might have a level select cheat at least

[serene thunder]

Back in the olden days, you could swap Genesis games with the console still powered on
Sometimes they would switch to JP mode and even have extra content (Revenge of Shinobi)

[fringe kettle]

Hmm, I'm still getting low audio in Sakura Wars 2 compared to other games, and one of the instruments used in the sound font for Sakura Wars 1/Hanagumi Taisen Columns sounds wrong (which may or may not be a preexisting core issue, I can't recall)

Though all the weird graphical issues in SW2 seem to be fixed so that's great

[wise brook]

hell yeah

[sick kraken]

gonna run update all for the first time in a year. looking to load up the saturn roms. The core runs zip files?

[wise brook]

no

[jagged quartz]

Looks like Tomb Raider is nice and fixed up now!

Still runs and sounds like trash, though...

So authentic!

[warped cliff]

They just look and sound nicer.. the games have always been a bit challenging for me. So I wouldn't get past certain stages anyway

[sick kraken]

what kinda files do i need?

chd only?

[frail token]

That works yeah

[sick kraken]

but not zip?

[frail token]

I doubt it, I'd never zip a disc file

CHD is already compressed anyway

[jagged quartz]

Pandamonium is only ~45 MB as a chd

Er, nevermind. It didnt take a lot of space to begin with.

[frail token]

You ever see Ikaruga on DC in CHD? It will break your brain

it's some stupidly small size

[ancient surge]

The ST-V ported games like Puyo Puyo Sun and Cotton 2 in particular are really small for SEGA Saturn games.

Really highlights how they were originally optimized for cartridges before they were quickly ported to the SEGA Saturn.

I wonder how feasible it would be to make the SEGA Saturn core run SEGA Titan Video games.

As far as I'm aware, the SEGA Titan Video arcade hardware was identical to a SEGA Saturn in terms of specs, with the only difference being it used cartridges instead of CDs. This made it incredibly easy to port games to one or the other.

[fringe kettle]

Hmm, a lot of sound effects in Sakura Wars 2 are wrong, at least judging by going through the demo version

Might be a few funky soundfont instruments too

[ancient surge]

@fringe kettle Maybe you could file the issues with Sakura Wars 2 on the Saturn_MiSTer page?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues

Ideally with comparisons so srg knows exactly what he's looking for.

[fringe kettle]

yeah I think I'll record some footage of the errors later tonight

[neon fern]

Is there a new SNAC core by chance

I let a friend turn on and use my mister and now saturn SNAC is all goofed, trying to see if there is a way to delete all settings or whatever

Would rather not do a fresh install

But I seriously cannot figure out what changed so wondering if there is a folder somewhere I can just delete

[frail token]

I don't know how SNAC can even be goofed, it's on or off there's no bindings or anything

[cursive tree]

Any new 32X update?

[neon fern]

Yah I'm not sure what's up, I had it all set up and was making food, buddy went downstairs, turned it on and did something and now it doesn't work

[frail token]

Is it turned on in the menu?

[neon fern]

Yah

He's in "IT" and apparently went nuts in menus

Lol I'm just gonna delete and reinstall

[burnt matrix]

Oh my god this game slaps you with a giant tutorial lmao

[quick sorrel]

it is morning, coffee time, game time 😄

[burnt matrix]

Damn, Panzer Dragoon Saga is cool as hell

It’s so bleak and primitive looking but the unique art style shines through.

[naive whale]

Does it work on Pi?

[frail token]

you let this person use your MiSTer? lol

[quick sorrel]

nevahmynd - twas the 322 core, 323 rectified it

[burnt matrix]

You know, I didn’t think to play it on the Pi 5 yet

[naive whale]

Who even are you

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/robby-the-robot-vintage-the-twilight-zone-beep-gif-9119954

[simple hound]

does anyone have a link to the latest rbf? My update all is not working

[jagged quartz]

Im not sure of this one is in unstable nightlies, but here...

[simple hound]

i appreciate - thank you

[jagged quartz]

Thats the single....

wait, I just realized...

Is there no difference between the the single and Dual ram versions, now?

the version I linked was from update all

[pearl harbor]

No differences at this point. Update all is always going to have the single ram version from what I've heard.

[jagged quartz]

Good to know

[fringe kettle]

and done.

meanwhile what I heard with the music before in Sakura Wars 1 and Hanagumi Taisen Columns wasn't so much a bug as much as it is the sound coming from the MiSTer sounds harsher in general than on real hardware

but I don't know if that really necessitates an issue report

[wise brook]

https://twitter.com/saebaryo_xyz/status/1771737442410020943?t=ctdv8QqVs7LWH3BJJYIHsQ&s=19

saebaryo_xyz (@saebaryo_xyz) on X

#MiSTerFGPA 세가새턴 코어 업데이트 소식에 그로 셰이딩을 지원한다고 하더라. 반가운 소식에 테스트를 진행 해보았다. (싱글 SDRAM 버전)
모두 같은 래스터 시점의 정확한 타이밍의 스샷은 얻을 수는 없었지만(...) 셰이딩의 느낌은 전해질 수 있지 않을까 싶다.

Twitter · Mar 24, 2024, 3:14 AM

looks like a good account to follow

[native dagger]

Is that smoothing from the shading I see people mention?

[wise brook]

smoothing?

[native dagger]

Between the center and right character models

Or just fixed textures?

[wise brook]

it's correctly shaded but smoothing would imply a filtering process

[dense hill]

should see Resonance of Fate, that thing had a fucking tome before you could play

I had to read it like 4 times before I understood wtf to do

who determines what video processing presets go onto mister?

like there are snes specific ones e.g.

who makes them and who then decides "yeah this one is saturn specific let's ship it"

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-cobra-commander-waiting-gif-17718346

[twin canyon]

i watched this movie just days ago

[serene thunder]

Les Schtroumpfs?

[twin canyon]

forbidden planet 1956

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/baboon-phone-cellphone-busy-on-the-phone-gif-17180916

[ancient fractal]

It’s linear interpolation of vertex colors over the polygon surface. Which was implemented in the core long ago, but it seems it mixed up the vertices somehow until this last week.

[drifting crown]

Question: what’s the best way of minimising interlacing lines over hdmi?

[twin canyon]

hire azum

[drifting crown]

Saturn 480p core. Like it.

[ancient surge]

The RetroTink 4K probably

[blazing creek]

I just ran update all, only stuck to main and had the old October build for the Saturn core and now it's gone?

Didn't get the new one and lost the old one

That's never happened before

Anything like this happen for anyone else similar to my set up?

Running again for good measure but just thought it was strange and I'm itching to try this new Saturn build!

[viscid escarp]

yeah and mine is just downloading the october version

[blazing creek]

Weird

I tried again, no dice and I lost the October build, it won't even grab that one again

This sucks

[kind bough]

Hmm I just renamed the core and ran an update, it downloaded Saturn_20240323.rbf

Update all gets cores from https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Distribution_MiSTer/tree/main/_Console

[blazing creek]

I'm running one more tome

Time*

[kind bough]

#1046941029296779344 message

[blazing creek]

I can see it trying now!

Strange, might be internet cutting out? I don't usually have trouble with it but I noticed I had an issue with the program cps2 core from way back when and I remember deleting it and trying update again and it grabbed it correctly, assuming the connection dropped or download corrupted, etc

Progear**

[viscid escarp]

i also got the latest version now

how strange

[kind bough]

Yeah real odd

[blazing creek]

Rad I'm hoping once it's done everything is squared away. I'm dying to see if ogre battle is fixed now lol

[kind bough]

It's still sitting on downloading the core?

[blazing creek]

Passed Saturn but still downloading for me. Going pretty slow tonight

[dense hill]

is ogre battle saturn and n64 the same game?

[kind bough]

sounds like a connection issue with GitHub, should only take a few seconds

[blazing creek]

Different game, Saturn ogre is just a better version of what was on SNES is my understanding!

[dense hill]

as someone who loves tictacs but hasn't played ogre, what are the best ogres?

[kind bough]

Ahh I misread, update all still going but it completed Saturn 🙂

[blazing creek]

Weird now when I see the Saturn core but when I click it it just stops working 😞

Just drops signal and doesn't catch back on

Pain 😓

[blazing creek]

I'm not too sure I only dabbled with SNES version before learning Saturn might be the move!

[kind bough]

Might be easiest to download it and copy over manually

[blazing creek]

Yeah true

I was too lazy to get up and put SD card in PC but I'm gonna try that now

I had bios files and everything set up before but in case that's whack now, the bios go where again for Saturn??

[kind bough]

FTP is a lot easier for the lazy folk like us 🙂

[blazing creek]

Games folder?

[kind bough]

I'd say if an older version on the core was working ok it's probably just the core itself you need

Yeah BIOS goes in /games/Saturn

[blazing creek]

That's right I forgot I had that set up too lol I recently rearranged my whole setup to make even more space for my lil toddler to move around so I stored my laptop haha

It's thanks to him I hadn't updated/used the ol mister in awhile but when I saw the news of the Saturn core update I had to make time today for it haha

im on my laptop and yeah the core rbf file under consoles showed to be 0 bytes? haha

replaced it with the linked one above and gonna pop it back over to see if it works now!

now it shows a respectable size that looks correct lmao

[blazing creek]

She lives!!

[kind bough]

nice 🙂

[blazing creek]

And ogre battle finally doesn't get stuck at the first loading screen! Huzzah! Haha

Thanks for the help troubleshooting!

[kind bough]

NP

[blazing creek]

Actually while I have ya here, I do have another question!

Specifically about the Cartridge option on the Saturn menu, I usually leave that at DRAM 4M, I never owned a Saturn but I know those were used for specific games to enhance the consoles capabilities, is it ok to just have that on all the time or do some games not like that??

[kind bough]

I think some 1MB RAM cart games don't like the 4MB one

Lol. on phone, no idea why I replied to that msg

[dense hill]

imagine a mister with a projector built in

you just go round with the box

[blazing creek]

Outside of obvious latency, playing mister on my projector is the sickest thing ever

RPGs or anything not sensitive to lag haha

[blazing creek]

Gotcha, I was just curious haha

[dense hill]

in uni I had a shitty projector and played through all of majora's mask on an emulator, that was fun

[blazing creek]

I figured MAX POWER 24/7, 4 MB ALL DAY EVERYDAY haha

[dense hill]

but now I have a big tv I'm like.. nah I don't wanna play on a projector haha

[kind bough]

https://www.satakore.com/cartridge.php

[dense hill]

maybe if I had the best projector in the world, 16k resolution, and a home cinema room

[blazing creek]

It was always a dream to own one and I finally caved on one earlier this year mostly for movies and tv shows but I can't resist the gaming potential haha

[dense hill]

have you ever tried that thing, I saw about it a few years ago, I forget exact what it is but it's like a vertical projector and then the wall slants so that it won't reflect the sun or something

[blazing creek]

Saturn games look so damn great at this size haha

[blazing creek]

No clue on that one chief but I should investigate it!

[dense hill]

I thinik I'm thinking of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3R9YfEbdJA but I'm sure there's something else I'm forgetting about angled projectors that reject sunlight

or even like accept it, they just absorb it from every angle except down

"ambient light rejection"

ah that's it, it rejects lights from your lights and only shows the ones from below

[blazing creek]

Oh sweet I've seen these online but no personal experience! I have just a standard home use projector, the xgimi horizon pro, it's not as bad at gaming as some have made it out to be!

Also I'm running baroque on this new core and man it's running great! Before it had some garbled graphics but was still very playable last October! Now it looks to be nearly perfect (I think) haha

[ancient surge]

In a majority of cases, the 4MB cartridge will have no impact on games. They'll simply ignore the cartridge and play like normal, similar to the Nintendo 64 Expansion Pak.

It will only cause problems if you want to play the 1MB compatible games or the two games that use the ROM cartridge. The former will introduce glitches, and the latter obviously won't even boot due to the cartridge slot being occupied.

[ripe valley]

Die Hard Trilogy refuses to work if you have a RAM card inserted too, just in case.

[blazing creek]

Gotcha, thank you so much for the breakdown on it!

[supple vine]

Is it ok to get v2.9 or is it necessary to get v3.0 ram? Has it been confirmed that Radiant Silvergun audio drop out is due to old version of ram?

[burnt matrix]

I don’t have 3.0 and the core has always worked fine for me. Well as fine as it worked for others haha.

[supple vine]

I just checked, and I have v2.5 ram currently. So maybe I should upgrade?

[burnt matrix]

If you’re not running into problems with the core then you’re good

[supple vine]

Well Radiant Silvergun music stops after a few secons into level 1

So I'd say I AM running into problems, unless that is normal

[wise brook]

look

imma tell ya straight

I had the cursed 4chip ram

I got myself a replacement, 3.0 was on the market by that point.

it fixed everything

for literally all but one user here (hello @Aktane ) it did what we needed it to

2.9 is fine, 3.0 is the same but with an additional ground

[rotund steeple]

I still haven't checked what 2-chip ram i use. But it's clearly not 3.0. Got my complete mister in summer 2022. So, it's probably 2.9

[supple vine]

Ok there's a review on MisterAddons that says it all With MiSTer's Sega Saturn core, the music was dropping out on most games. Some online research suggested the problem was my older V2.5 SDRAM. So I upgrading to V3 SDRAM from MiSTer Addons and all sound issues with the Saturn core disappeared. Very happy with my purchase!

So, since I am on v2.5, I will upgrade to v3.0.

[wise brook]

again, all but guaranteed to solve the issue.

BUT

no one can say whether srg320 will one day figure out how to get the compatibility resolved with older versions.

so don't be too shocked if it turns out the purchase was somewhat redundant

some folks rushed out to buy a dual-ram setup and then got mad at the guy who thought it would be required.

[supple vine]

I guess it can't hurt to have some extra RAM around, de10-nano are affordable again, so it could be used for additional MiSTers (one in every room?)

[warped saddle]

a video wall of misters

[tawny forge]

Are they?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that doesn’t sound normal

[gleaming lodge]

Are there sound issues noticed when running dual 2.5 ram? I have been using that and have not noticed any sound issues.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, that was embarrassing.

this is why is always try to downplay dual ram so people don’t feel they need to spend more

[wise brook]

2.5 has never not had problems

[mortal mist]

My 2.4 works fine

Maybe luck

[dense hill]

how do you find out what ram version you have?

I bought a prebuilt

[alpine pagoda]

No ram upgrade option on multisystem yet, so hoping the issues get resolved in the core

[mortal mist]

There is a marking on the sdram

[dense hill]

okay there's no way to tell in software?

[alpine pagoda]

Haven’t heard from anyone with the newer ultimatemister multisystems, wonder if they have the same issues

[mortal mist]

No ,sorry

[dense hill]

is the ram module obscured by the analogue board?

[mortal mist]

I think it is possible to read the marking

[dense hill]

maybe @steel salmon just knows what kind of ram units are used? (I bought a saturn board last september)

[mortal mist]

With the newest 3.0

[dense hill]

I don't have tools on me atm

[mortal mist]

2.5 are not sold for a long time , so you have 2.9 or 3.0

[burnt matrix]

I bought mine back in Feb ‘22 and I have 2.9

[gleaming lodge]

hmm maybe time to upgrade

[naive whale]

Yeah my 2.5V MiSTer is from late 2019 or early 2020

[mortal mist]

My first de10 I bought with sdram v 1.1 32mb 😁

[hearty carbon]

it does not feel like I've had a MiSTer that long but I guess it has been that long

[hardy lodge]

I just noticed next month is my MiSTers first birthday. I should get it a present.

[untold spear]

core has been working great for me too. retrocastle 2.9 ram

havent tested recent core

what was done in newest

[native dagger]

An rt4k... wait a minute

[hardy lodge]

It's not fun mentioning that when @tranquil mulch is not around...

[native dagger]

What do you get a MiSTer who has everything

[hardy lodge]

I even got one of those fancy aluminum cases.

[wise brook]

real gaming perfection

[rancid jasper]

Yeah maybe I have the same issue as awbacon did with Nights on the latest build. I get kicked to the main menu and it blasts noise for a sec and doesn't play. Christmas Nights works great and looks amazing now.

Ram is 2.9

[mortal mist]

Try image from another source

I had the same thing with VF2

[hardy lodge]

Those cases are also nice.

[wise brook]

they could only be better if they had the wifi/bt built in

[twin canyon]

mister is up to 7199usd

[wise brook]

my god

our currency is in the gutter

yuan when?

I kid, there isn't even a pretender to the throne of the almighty USD

[hardy lodge]

How many usb ports does that one have?

[wise brook]

4 + user

[hardy lodge]

I'll stick with mine, it matches my pokemon game.

[ancient surge]

Core just got another update. Not sure what it fixed

[tawny forge]

Official release for dual sdram?

Oh I think it’s just a delayed build for yesterday’s release

[west quail]

Does the composite blend video option work on this core? I see no difference turning it on or using adaptive.

[thorn pagoda]

it doesn't

[analog totem]

ran update_all but it didn't grab the new build?

just grabbed it manually, but that's weird

[twin canyon]

it's the big secret they don't want you to know - it doesn't make a difference

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[tranquil mulch]

I have not been putting the time in I need to.

Sometimes life just gets a little too fast

[tough star]

You’re fired

[zinc vine]

i have ram 2.9 its working

[dawn moth]

I haven't tested in a while. How do I get rid of the "cd biosnot found!" message every time I load a game?

[mortal mist]

Use boot.rom , not boot.bin

[wise brook]

#1046941029296779344 message

if you want to use the different bios's the discussion was here

[dawn moth]

thanks. I figured it was that.

[mortal mist]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/36

[acoustic sable]

Check the pins here

Ooop - sorry, Discord didn't update

[mortal mist]

Legend of oasis works fine here

[burnt matrix]

Sega Saturn? More like the Sega Saturd!

[pearl harbor]

It's been over a week since my last GIF Robby! Don't make me use it!

[burnt matrix]

[slate karma]

Tempest 2000 is now looking a lot better with gouraud shading fix, level select no longer flickers and tunnels in-game look far better

[serene thunder]

Oh that sound track will make me reach for the lazers

[sick kraken]

whats the best saturn bios?

[quick sorrel]

Region free ones 😎

[sick kraken]

what are the names?

[native dagger]

Auto region switching is in, right?

[analog totem]

yeah, but I think it may still be a bit buggy and I have noticed that some games just don’t like the Auto setting and you have to specify the proper region

[inner token]

might have been a bug in the last snac build affecting usb port 2 controls when snac was on and nothing plugged in. Doubt anybody was really affected by that but that should be fixed here.

[quick sorrel]

Away from PC but, any google search for Saturn bios that has a file that says RF on it is region free. They’re archived on the web.

[steel salmon]

2.9 or 3.0 are recommend,for the second sdram stick, any 32m 64 or 128m sdram are ok

[rich violet]

Can https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/16 be closed?

[dense hill]

@steel salmon I meant which sticks are already in there? I bought a single ram, is it probably a 2.9/3.0 then?

[wise brook]

I got mine from him in early 2020 and it had 2.9

you're fine

you can check this yourself in a minute with a a screwdriver

if you've got the aluminum case its a m3 hex-driver iirc

[river wing]

Hey! Enjoying your I/O boards and RAM since 2020! Great stuff! Keep up the good work, man!

[tranquil mulch]

I have a policy against taking instructions from creatures who don't show up in mirrors.

[tough star]

you are more edgy than your mom 😄

[steel salmon]

it was all 3.0 now

[dense hill]

fantastic

[steel salmon]

Hey, thank you 🙂

[naive whale]

Have you seen his face? Damn thing would break a mirror 🤣 (kidding love you Vampier)

[pine stratus]

Hey guys, radiant silvergun seems to get stuck as soon as the game starts.I have got a single ram setup and a 3.0 ram module. Can someone please confirm? Thx

[mortal mist]

Works fine here , 2.9

Bin/cue , sd card

[pine stratus]

Thanks!

Single ram as well?

[mortal mist]

Yes

Check another game image

[pine stratus]

It was working without audio with an older version of the core...maybe the bin got corrupted? I will check another image though, thanks!

[mortal mist]

I checked the Saturn and Arcade mode , works ok

[pine stratus]

I am jelous now...lol...

Thanks for checking for me!

[pearl harbor]

Works for me as well. Using CHD single ram 2.9.

[pine stratus]

Thanks to you as well!
Just checked another image but still no luck🤔

All the other games run perfectly!

[pearl harbor]

Are you using an SD card or something else?

[pine stratus]

Sd card...shall I try with an external drive?

[pearl harbor]

Nah, SD is usually the most compatible.

[pine stratus]

Cool, thanks!

[rotund steeple]

Get the redump image

[pine stratus]

Thanks, that's the one I have been using till now. So weird!

[pearl harbor]

You're sure you're using the latest version of the core?

[pine stratus]

Yup!

[rotund steeple]

Works perfectly fine. Just played it yesterday.

[pine stratus]

😭

[quick sorrel]

Music yes, VFX still has a few minor things tho

[pearl harbor]

It's confirmed. Your MiSTer hates you.

[pine stratus]

You might be right actually🤣🤣

[quick sorrel]

Does the core still require unstable even tho it’s in update all now?

[pine stratus]

I will get a new sd card just in case...

[pine stratus]

No, as far as I am aware!

[quick sorrel]

Thought that could have been the sound issue

[mortal mist]

Yes , You need unstable for auto region

And cdda fixes

[pine stratus]

Ah!

[pearl harbor]

Bingo

[quick sorrel]

There it is

[pine stratus]

Thx for clarifying!!!

[quick sorrel]

Cuz I’ve almost always had good sound in the game

[pearl harbor]

Now you can become as unstable as the rest of us!

[quick sorrel]

🤪

[pine stratus]

🤣

Damn it! Still no luck with the lastest unstable! Must be this bloody sd card! I will get a new one!

[rotund steeple]

I'm using an external SSD, works fine too.

[pine stratus]

Good point! Just trying now...🤞

Uhmm...it gets frozen exactly at the same point! Not sure what is going on...for a moment I tought it was the ram module but I have just run a few games and they all worked fine!

[mortal mist]

check dm

[prime hare]

LIVE NOW checking out the updated Saturn core by @srg320_ for the #MiSTerFPGA - https://twitch.tv/owlnonymous

[thin swan]

hi thank you for making this available! I recently picked up a SNAX + Saturn connector and it's a great experience using the original controller. Can this also work with the 3D controller or light gun ?

[wise brook]

currently all controllers except lightgun are supported

trust me when I say I've tested a lot of them

[thin swan]

Thank you for the quick reply, I was hoping to try some Virtua cop. I have the 3D controller but it's not being recognized for some reason, i'll have to test it with my Saturn to make sure it's ok

[inner token]

3D controller should work, the saturn connector might be touchy try to not plug it in all the way.

maybe plug it all the way in then back it out a 1mm or 2

[thorn pagoda]

i wonder if lightgun support might happen soon now

[supple vine]

Don't tell me this. I just ordered v3.0 ram to replace my v2.5 ram to fix this exact issue. 🙂

[prisma wraith]

thanks for this! tested my v2 USA saturn controller with SNAC for an hour last night and it worked perfectly.
..then I realized I'd rather be playing with an arcade stick and switched to USB heheh

[thorn pagoda]

tomb raider is looking great now the gourad shading is sorted out

[weary verge]

out of curiosity, what exactly is making xmen vs street fighter crash?

[native dagger]

has anyone who has been testing found out what the message is? It might be important

[thin swan]

hi, this was it, thank you! unplugged a hair and the 3D controller is working

[tall radish]

shit that’s definitely the face of someone who’s seen the horseshit that is the future

[inner token]

don't feel bad, it's probably the most common problem people have with saturn.

[thin swan]

I recently updated from 2.4 ram to 3.0, some games like Hyperdual would freeze after a while running a demo loop, with the 3.0 it's been going for a few hours no issues

[kindred sundial]

So is 3.0 required? I have 2.9 but some games that work for others have issues for me. Mainly interested in Panzer Dragoon. On my setup I have audio drops or loops

[pearl harbor]

2.9 and 3.0 are the same spec.

I'm using 2.9 with no issues.

[serene thunder]

Seems like games be freezing a lot for me
Like the FMVs might freeze yet the game is still running

[drifting frigate]

He's Brasilian, but gave his speeches in English.

His message for the future is clear.

Go fast. Turn left.

[dusk sonnet]

im brazillian but never played this game

when he talks in the game?

[quick sorrel]

Could be standard for Japan: foreign language dubbed over into Japanese with no subtitle options.

[brisk ice]

Is there a specific snac adapter to use with the saturn core?

[drifting frigate]

The official ones should all work per the table on MiSTer Addons. SNAX is needed for N64 and PSX though. So if you're gonna get one, might as well get the upgrade.

I've got all three and the SNAX all work, but I have to dig my original SNAC out to try it. I'll give it a go tomorrow and tell you how it is, but it should be fine.

OK, I was able to test SNAC and it works perfectly too. I've only tested single player and there's the caveat that 'beta core' and snac isn't officially supported via the MiSTer repo yet. @inner token just loves us and wants us to be happy so we keep getting builds!

[brisk ice]

Thanks for testing 👍. I would like to take a snax, but I only plan to use it for lightgun games (and perhaps a little bit with my 3d controller on the saturn core). Furthermore, I live in Europe, I m afraid the shipping costs would be to high.

[drifting frigate]

Definitely hold off until lightgun is impermanented and tested. The core currently doesn't support lightgun through snac as far as I know. I may be wrong, but last I looked at the controller code, lg wasn't fully set up yet. Blie would know for sure, though.

[brisk ice]

Ok, i've already order a classic snac adapter, mainly for the nes lightgun. If the other saturn controllers are compatible, i imagine that there is a good chance that lightgun will be 🤞

[pine stratus]

Let me know how you get on with the new module when you receive it then!

[wise brook]

#news message

@old pasture this one's for you

[old pasture]

Thanks, I saw this, unfortunately I suck at games. But I may just participate.

Appreciate the tag 👍

I think I may make the top 100 😂

[wise brook]

but everyone else here only plays update_all

[mortal mist]

i play unstable saturn cores only

and since we already have a stable release I have nothing to do 😛

[wise brook]

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-waiting-im-well-gif-18430344

[naive whale]

Looks like he’s been constipated for a week and is praying to all the gods at once for relief

[fresh gale]

My message from the future to him is ‘don’t join Williams F1 team’

[tranquil mulch]

I am glad someone is thinking about the future

[faint flicker]

So are we now certain that ram v3.0 is the way to go for stable Saturn? i live in the EU area so any tipps on where to buy? i saw this product but i thought i better ask before i buy the wrong RAM for my Mister 🙂
https://ultimatemister.com/product/xs-d128/

[burnt matrix]

I have 2.9 from MisterAddons and it seems to run fine. I think the issue is if you have something pretty old like 2.5.

[faint flicker]

i have a dual ram 2.5 build

most games i try run on the saturn core but often the sound effects or music just stop

[burnt matrix]

I don't want to tell you to go out and spend $60 USD but it might solve issues for you

[faint flicker]

im still thinking about it, but would these be the right ram? or are these good ram? 🙂

[burnt matrix]

my knowledge is limited but the only ram with issues are the four chip ones

[faint flicker]

okay thanks 🙂

i guess ill wait a bit longer, i like the core very much the way it is now, so far since the last "stable" update only Panzerdragoon Saga intro crashed and i had some audio cut out on Burning Rangers (but only the music so the game was playable) Gotta say as someone that never had a Saturn the core is shaping into a place to find new gems for me 🙂

[hardy lodge]

2.9 and 3.0 are appearently pretty much the same

[burnt matrix]

Panzer Dragoon Saga is pretty freaking cool

so weird

[hardy lodge]

#news message

[faint flicker]

got 2 of these in my mister but so far it seems like i got lucky because i have less problems than some people here.

[thorn pagoda]

is the crosshair/reticule in panzer dragoon meant to be so hard to see?

it looks kinda yellow-ish in online screenshots but grey on the core?

[mortal mist]

It's fixed with the latest core

Looks fine

(Gouraud)

[thorn pagoda]

oh really? awesome

i thought i was on the latest but must be wrong

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/88

[kindred sundial]

So just so I can confirm if it’s a me issue or not…does Panzer Dragoon audio work perfectly for everyone else on the newest core from update all?

[zealous karma]

If its Panzer dragon 1, I get a black screen after starting a new game lol

If I mash the start button I get ingame, but with no sound. No music and no special effects. So no its not perfect 😅

[green basalt]

Does anyone else get visual noise when playing Earthworm Jim 2 (U)?

I have no issues with other games. Single sdram.

[mortal mist]

Panzer Dragoon works perfectly fine for me

[zealous karma]

I have a MMS so the RAM on it is of an unknown spec

[mortal mist]

ok 🙂

[wise brook]

I like the idea of a jrpg that just threw convention out the window.

killing large rats in a tavern? pft, were gonna start you on the back of a Dragon; fighting an empire

[pearl harbor]

The fighting an empire part is pretty standard at least.

[hearty carbon]

I thought the standard JRPG is fighting for the empire, turning against the empire, and then killing god.

[wise brook]

with the power of friendship

[hearty carbon]

Implied, but absolutely

[wise brook]

blood, sweat, tears went into the making of PDS

you can really feel the effort that went into it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-eKP5t1KGeM&pp=ygUacGFuemVyIGRyYWdvb24gc2FnYSByZXZpZXc%3D

an excellent little introduction to the making of

[hearty carbon]

Yeah, I was enamored with the idea of the thing.

I remember reading every article I could find on it when it was talked about.

[minor cipher]

curious if anyone else has the issue on the latest saturn unstable core where in all-star baseball '97, the music has bizarre timing issues, like the instruments are somehow out of sync with each other. kind of fascinating, though it also makes me feel like i'm having a stroke, lol. i know this core is kind of finicky and sensitive to different MiSTers and RAM so dunno if it'd be the same for anyone else, but it is pretty amusing if nothing else

[mortal mist]

I don't see any issues in graphics while playing. Any specific examples ?

[green basalt]

Just visual noise, like white snow on the foreground layers in Level 1. Starts mild, gets steadily worse.

[mortal mist]

I don't see such problems, work fine

[severe whale]

That together with mouse support are my most desired features for the Saturn core

Last time I checked mpeg card support seemed unlikely 😦

One can only wish

[brazen rampart]

I found a bug in the core

All interlaced content are displayed as progressive using direct video

Even on the CRT it looks like bob deinterlace over 240p

Instead of legit 480i

(scanlines are visible!)

The playstation core displays interlaced resolutions properly

[wise brook]

this has been known about for as long as the core has existed

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/170

[brazen rampart]

Oh! Ok

[wise brook]

at one point vge said 480i worked, no idea how he thought that

[thorn pagoda]

PSX core had the exact same issue at some point, possibly the same fix would help here

something something half-width lines?

@kind stump will know

[prisma wraith]

Just posted a 1cc playthrough of Darius Gaiden on the latest core, down in #share-media message

[naive whale]

Who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️ maybe a poorly written comment in return

[wise brook]

might be a case of neither devs using a crt

iirc MikeS was the guy who fixed the screen offset before

[soft valley]

Had no idea what that was, thank you

[thorn pagoda]

its funny cos it sort of looks like how you expect interlacing to look on an LCD or whatever so it takes a minute to realize its hugely wrong 😄

[urban lagoon]

saturn still in beta?

[thorn pagoda]

there's a release version but its definitely still in active development

[wise brook]

imagine this as a 0.9 version

srg is constantly hitting us with updates

you might wanna hang around if his next batch are only in unstable-nightlies

[analog totem]

this is silly and I think I know the answer, but Saturn requires 128MB of sdram right?

Like, a 64MB stick won't work

[tawdry lion]

No. It won't. And you need to have a 128mb stick that has 2 chips. Not 4 which some abnormal sticks have.

[analog totem]

yeah I know the thing about 4 chip vs. 2

I was 99.9999% sure I knew the answer, but someone asked me and I was like...I'm not 100% sure 😂

[tawdry lion]

This is why the community collectively recommends avoiding 64mb sticks. It's going to lock you out of a lot and only saves you like $15

Lol

[analog totem]

yeah, in this case this person bought the 64mb stick like 3.5-4 years ago

[tawdry lion]

Gotcha. Unfortunate. Yeah... in the future, if you need to save money. Go 32. But yeah if you're gonna buy a 64. Just get a 128.

Either way yeah they have no choice for Saturn but to get a new ram.

[analog totem]

yeah they're ordering it haha

I got mine in 2020 as well, but even then I knew I was going all in and just wanted to futureproof

I mean, I'm also a dual ram boy sooooo

[thorn pagoda]

do people even still sell 64s?

i thought they were only around for a few months

[analog totem]

well he got one back in like 2020/2021

must have been 2020 I think

I don’t know that anyone does, though

[thorn pagoda]

got pretty unlucky to catch that brief window

[analog totem]

yeah

[thorn pagoda]

tell them to keep hold of it those are going to be collectors pieces 😄

play the rare alpha neogeo core ! ooooh

[analog totem]

i remember trying to get into MiSTer in 2019 and seeing all this documentation and pictures about the pros/cons of vertical vs. horizontal ram and feeling overwhelmed 😅 it wasn’t until smokemonster did his video series that I finally pulled the trigger

[tawny forge]

Is SmokeMonster out of business? Got to know the MiSTer from him by the time he was still living in Brazil

[thorn pagoda]

he ... retired i guess?

nothing crazy happened he just stopped doing his show, afaik anyway

closed his discord too

[analog totem]

I thiiink he might live in the same state as me, but not sure

[drifting frigate]

"disrepair"

[burnt matrix]

I think the MiSTer fad is over

[mortal mist]

and what is MiSTer ?

some kind of emulator ?

[bleak escarp]

Mister? That like a mistress?

[broken orchid]

Hi..
According to the tracker Spot Goes To Hollywood should work on single ram. Doesn't on mine..

I see the sega logo on startup and then just goes black.

Tried a few different bios/chds and still the same.

Other games seem ok.

Any ideas what to check next. Thanks.

[wise brook]

are you running unstable mister?
what ram you got?

[mortal mist]

Spot was last tested on February 10 , something may have changed 🙂

[broken orchid]

Thanks. I'll take a look. Good call

[broken orchid]

Just tried the latest unstable and same. But having just opened up my age-old mister it's got 2.5 ram...maybe thats the issue.

[mortal mist]

I'll check Spot soon to see if it works for me

[broken orchid]

Thanks 😊

[mortal mist]

Works fine

[broken orchid]

Thanks for testing. On what ram do you have?

[mortal mist]

2.9

[severe whale]

Is there a spread sheet with compatibility list? Similar to the one for N64 core

[mortal mist]

yes

pins 🙂

[broken orchid]

#1046941029296779344 message

[severe whale]

Bless !

[wise brook]

aye

[naive whale]

Polymega is the future

[severe whale]

Lol

[twin canyon]

i like original hardware

[frail token]

Polymega is certainly... original

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/neva-never-marc-homealone-youcantstopme-gif-9816521

[broken orchid]

No.. the future is...

[drifting frigate]

I'm holding out for the Monogamega. I don't have enough time to subtweet my roommates and care for someone else's reptile collection.

[severe whale]

It’s as original as my girlfriends boobs

[naive whale]

So…imaginary?

[severe whale]

🤣

[grim snow]

Hello everyone, I'm new to the Discord. Where can I find the up-to-date compatability list for Sega Saturn games?

Nevermind I found it scrolling further up. Radiant Silvergun says playable but I'm getting crashes during the third boss. Anyone have a similar issue? Any solution? I'm using the most recent update all core btw. Single Ram unit.

[severe whale]

Try the nightly build and see if it works

[grim snow]

Will do, thanks 🙏

Is it at all worth it to overclock Mister for Saturn Core performance?

Or to get a second ram stick?

[severe whale]

Probably not. The core is at a point where almost every game should work with single ram

[grim snow]

That's really cool to hear! I've been looking forward to Saturn FPGA forever

[burnt matrix]

Dual ram isn't needed by any released cores.

[lusty rapids]

it's needed to inflate my ego tho

[grim snow]

How about PSX core? When I played it single ram it felt like there was some input lag

that was a long time ago though

[lusty rapids]

PSX core, with a special build, can use dual ram, but it's only for sound, and it's an imperceptible thing

if you were feeling input lag there, that's more a problem with the controller and display you were using at the time, most likely

or a game that itself had poor input response

[grim snow]

gotcha

[grim snow]

yeah probably

game was Brave Fencer Musashi

my roommate and I both played it on PS3 on the same TV

must have been controller

[drifting frigate]

There haven't been any code changes since release, just FYI. The CLI build that triggered was the release checkin. So it's probably not going to make a difference.

[burnt matrix]

No input lag possible. It’s from your TV or controllers.

Or old age

[grim snow]

lmao

[burnt matrix]

I have input lag : (

[drifting frigate]

That being said, there are a lot of crashes still as the core is basically just now creeping toward beta quality. Though I'd still call it alpha because it's nowhere near feature complete.

It's VERY sensitive to RAM and storage timings. Though far less than it has been.

[burnt matrix]

It’s more like Gamma

[lusty rapids]

I used the nightly build just to grab the dualram version of the release because it makes me feel superior to use my extra ram dangle

[grim snow]

Saturn you mean?

[drifting frigate]

HULK SMASH....you in VF.

Are we not talking about Saturn?

[lusty rapids]

there was a PSX tangent for a sec

[drifting frigate]

Ah, gotcha.

[grim snow]

yeah because we were talking about dual ram

[drifting frigate]

PSX is pretty buttoned up. And released. But SAT is definitely not.

[burnt matrix]

I use the dual ram Saturn because I can’t let DP hog all the glory

[lusty rapids]

they don't call me Dual ramP

for nothin

[drifting frigate]

Expect lots of bugs and lots of different experiences from one MiSTer to the next. Again, it's getting tighter and closer to ubiquitous though.

[burnt matrix]

Did you poop OK?

[drifting frigate]

Dual RAM because one alone can't pull Thor's chariot.

[grim snow]

That's a shame, I've been enjoying the Saturn core. Keeping up with VG Esoterica's videos, seems like a lot of games play at 100% no?

How much longer do we think until its complete?

[drifting frigate]

Probably, honestly, zero play at 100%....timing is still being tweaked every build. But perception wise, a lot are there.

[burnt matrix]

Oops I used the microphone button

Ignore that lmao

[drifting frigate]

Dunno. Dev is in an occupied country, FPGA is very packed...

It could be never (it probably won't be never)

[grim snow]

This is where I admit I never owned a Saturn and can't tell anything thats wrong lol

So far I've played and beat Die Hard Arcade with a friend, that was fun

[drifting frigate]

A lot of issues are audio...which a lot of people can ignore.

[grim snow]

and I can get pretty far in Panzer Dragoon

[burnt matrix]

Video Game Esoterica isn’t good

He’s great!!!!

[grim snow]

LOL

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale

[naive whale]

You rang

[burnt matrix]

we think you’re cool

@grim snow watches your vids

[grim snow]

I do

[naive whale]

Your moms been telling you stories about me again hasn’t she?

[drifting frigate]

But shading is just starting to come into its own (it was a stubbed out 'bare minimum' implementation for a long time). Controller work still needs to be done. Some of the 8bit color math is still TODO last I checked. So it's a ways off from feature complete. But it's still one of the best ways to play. Just can't say definitively what will work and what won't work because it varies so much setup to setup.

[severe whale]

We need mouse support on the core. Then im satisfied

[grim snow]

You did the impossible recently which is make me want a 3DO

[naive whale]

Glad you watch them! Appreciate it

[burnt matrix]

Oh no

I’m sorry

[drifting frigate]

Someone mentioned mouse should work through SNAC. I haven't confirmed it though.

[naive whale]

Hell yeah

[grim snow]

https://tenor.com/view/wovies-the-kid-the-wovie-minions-despicable-me-gif-25757779

3DO core when?

[burnt matrix]

Actually I’m distracting from Andy’s great rundown of the current state of the core, my bad

[naive whale]

Don’t listen to @burnt matrix his brain is mostly cheap beer and bbq sauce

[lusty rapids]

yes yes we all know robby lives in texas

[drifting frigate]

EXPENSIVE bbq sauce.

[burnt matrix]

And you say it like that’s a bad thing

[severe whale]

Not being snac. I meant more like how it’s being used on PSX core. Just plug in your own USB wireless mouse and it works

[naive whale]

Young, dumb and full of BBQ sauce

[severe whale]

It’s a game changer on the psx core

[drifting frigate]

There's a huge chunk of HPS controller work still to be done. I know that's what you meant, but if you need it earlier, it might be an option.

[naive whale]

We really need that light gun support so I can play some VC

[grim snow]

One thing that confused me about SNAC, I see Saturn controller support is still in alpha? Does that mean if I buy a SNAC now I will need to buy a new one when for instance 3D Pad support is added?

[burnt matrix]

I’m about to have some right now LOL

[drifting frigate]

Probably not.

But SNAC isn't part of the build at all.

[severe whale]

I’ve had policenauts on hold until we get mouse support

[drifting frigate]

It gets added ad-hoc by Blue1.

Currently.

[naive whale]

I feel like anything that has to put “real texas” on the label is in fact NOT real Texas

[lusty rapids]

Robby: Real* Texas

[drifting frigate]

I heard Robby was made in NEW YORK CITY....

Get a rope.

[lusty rapids]

fake texas

[severe whale]

@naive whale you tested Wii controller on the PSX core to emulate as Guncon right?

[naive whale]

I think? If I did it was years ago

[severe whale]

Does it work on CRT as well or only flat panels?

[drifting frigate]

It doesn't care.

As long as you have an IR bar.

[naive whale]

Anything

[severe whale]

I had totally forgotten about that feature

Gotta try it out

[naive whale]

It’s agnostic. It takes the IR signal and creates a position via that. It never ingests any screen data

[drifting frigate]

It makes playing on a projector REALLY fun, TBH.

[naive whale]

Also it’s wild that I can’t even remember testing it because it literally was over like two years ago now

[grim snow]

You'll have to be patient with me as I don't understand. https://misteraddons.com/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?variant=39583021170821 This says only basic Saturn controllers supported right now. Does further support have to be implemented through the build?

[drifting frigate]

Yes.

[grim snow]

That's awesome, I gotta try that

[naive whale]

SNAC is just wiring

[prisma wraith]

any SNK/Capcom/FGC nerds know which arcade ports are worth keeping on Saturn, given we have Neo Geo and CPS1/2 cores already?
Like which ones have extra features and modes that are worth keeping the games on Saturn for

[naive whale]

All the rest of the support will come in the core implementation

[drifting frigate]

BUT it's not just basic controllers. SNAC will work with the digital pad, the mission sticks, etc. But light gun needs some implementation still.

[prisma wraith]

i know alpha 3 for sure, but not really wanting to try all the other ones just to find out haha

[grim snow]

Gotcha. Thank you so much @naive whale and @drifting frigate

[naive whale]

SNK I’d honestly say zero

[grim snow]

And the nights into dreams 3d pad too?

[drifting frigate]

Yep

[thorn pagoda]

lightgun support isn't missing from snac (it actually works, the trigger and buttons) it's something missing in the saturns gpu that is needed for it to know where you're shooting at

[drifting frigate]

I use that over SNAC almost exclusively.

[prisma wraith]

yeah it seemed that way especially with the CD support on Neo Geo now. extras like arranged soundtracks are all there as well i'd guess

[naive whale]

MAYBE Twinkle Star Sprites

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, this. It's the beam processing.

I think.

But that's the core feature of light gun so 'missing' is mostly correct.

I have one...sitting there....staring at me.

[thorn pagoda]

yeah and you can safely buy snac now and when lightgun support is added to the core it'll work

[naive whale]

That sweet raster I love so much

I was just reorganizing my gun collection today

[drifting frigate]

I need to do that.

[naive whale]

I need a gun rack for my lightguns 🤣

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/wayne's-world-gun-rack-gif-1240822351948891910

[thorn pagoda]

really looking forward to playing virtua cop and house of the dead on the core

[severe whale]

I love that dude who patched the few justifier games to work with Guncon

[drifting frigate]

(not true. I have fewer than @naive whale but I have about 10)

[naive whale]

Fucking hell @drifting frigate get out of my brain

[drifting frigate]

HAHAHA

[naive whale]

I found a damn light gun in my closet today and I don’t even know when or where it came from

[drifting frigate]

I'm...kind of excited, Sagan help me, to play Crypt Killer.

[naive whale]

Some HAPP 45

[prisma wraith]

whats special about that one on saturn?

[grim snow]

I tried hooking up my Mister to a CRT monitor (analog IO) but I had a lot of trouble getting it to work and when it did I didn't like the image. Will these new Pro IO boards listed on Mister Addons be worth getting? I'd love to play some gun games on my CRT too

[naive whale]

Fmv intro and some extra characters. Not much

[drifting frigate]

Outrun is technically an arcade game that's WAY better on Sat, @prisma wraith

[prisma wraith]

i like the game so i'll keep it for sure. thanks

[drifting frigate]

But the core for outrun isn't in a great state, so the Saturn core is even more the way to play it, IMO.

[prisma wraith]

oh yeah i know about all the sega stuff. got my ages collection ripped and ready to go

[drifting frigate]

60fps baybee

[naive whale]

I might be the only person still adding Saturn and PS1 games to my shelves even with the cores

MiSTer has become my primary way to play but it has not curved my collecting 🤣

[prisma wraith]

with that 60fps mode, arranged soundtracks, and selection between course layouts all included in the game, probably better than arcade. even supports full analog gas and brake so I can rig up my wheel & pedals just as well as the arcade version

[grim snow]

I wish collecting didn't become so expensive though lol

part of why I got mister in the first place

option was pay a G for a kitted out Sega Saturn or buy Mister and wait (and enjoy every other core)

[naive whale]

Just got that one last week

[grim snow]

Nice! Is that the one you showed on a video recently?

[naive whale]

Yep. Andy D captured it. It’s a fun game. Hard to understand but fun

[prisma wraith]

i'm excited to downsize my collection honestly. just keep the input devices I love and some favorites. already got rid of all my DOS games besides Ultima 7. those take up too much damn room

[naive whale]

I let a console go yesterday. First thing to leave in years

Dev Pippin

But it crossed paths with a new arcade board coming in so it was a push

[drifting frigate]

Now I'm thinking about that Pippin prototype destroyed by customs and I'm having a sad. I don't like Pippin. But I love gaming history.

[trim nimbus]

Dev devices are cool, but would end up as a paperweight in my closet

[naive whale]

Lol don’t jinx me

[naive whale]

If it wasn’t Pippin I’d have kept it

Impossible console to have fun with

[trim nimbus]

Haha

[naive whale]

So it went to a museum

[trim nimbus]

But on the plus side, get the pippin ppc in fpga and you are closer to m2

[naive whale]

Well it was sold to a museum. I’m not UNICEF

[naive whale]

I got a drawer full of M2 chips as is

[trim nimbus]

Furrtek?

[naive whale]

Maybe. Some are down in Florida with Fixel

[trim nimbus]

Transistor tracing has to be a state of zen.

[naive whale]

Or an exercise in hell but that’s just me

[naive whale]

Spare NOS Bulldog ASIC

[trim nimbus]

It is sad that the netlists aren’t available. I wonder if they even exist anymore.

[naive whale]

That and CE32 are M2. PowerPC was just obv off the shelf

[drifting frigate]

The only proto hardware I have is a Kinect (but it was the final production model, just the internal MS dogfood units sent to us before it went into full scale) and a first gen Tegra tablet for win 8 RT ARM testing. Super boring.

[naive whale]

I don’t collect dev stuff outside of M2. The Pippin was me drink bidding on eBay

[drifting frigate]

That's how Denethor got roped into a Pippin too.

[trim nimbus]

Back when it wasn’t a house payment to accidentally win something?

[naive whale]

I saw it. I saw it was dev. I threw in a bid. I won. I regretted

[naive whale]

Yeah prices have gone up a TINY bit

I sold an FZ-21 in 2021 to a collector on Dubai. They will pay ANYTHING

[trim nimbus]

Haha

[naive whale]

Money means nothing to them. One of the minor Bin Salman family members

[trim nimbus]

I wonder how many of those kiosks just went into the trash

[naive whale]

The large majority as far as we can tell. We have serials noted close to 5000. We know of about 16 that exist FZ-35 wise.

FZ-21 we have serials into the 3000s. We know of six that exist. I had two. Now I have one

[grim snow]

@severe whale Just tried Radiant Silvergun on the new unstable nightly and the crash seems to be fixed. Thank you Kel, @drifting frigate , @naive whale and everyone else for answering my questions! Goodnight everybody!

[drifting frigate]

Happy gaming, and keep reaching for the stars! <walks down greenscreen path off screen>

[pearl harbor]

Don't remind me!

[pearl harbor]

Come on dad, you already have mom's rack.

[viscid token]

@pine stratus : did you ever figure out your Radiant Silvergun issues? I'm having the same issue it seems. Level starts, I get a freeze when it writes "Stage:3A return" or close after

[pine stratus]

Unfortunately no! No luck at all! It is the only game that doesn't work...and it is my favourite one doh!

[pine stratus]

I am sure the issue is related to some ram modules incompatibilities
...but I am also sure it will get fixed at some point! So I guess we will have to be patient till then🤣

[severe whale]

apearantly it works on the latest nightly build

so try that out

if it works there then its only a matter of time it will be fixed in the main

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-karate-taekwando-gif-4880719

[supple vine]

I updated my v2.5 RAM with v3.0 RAM and the problems with music changing to silence and crashing in Radiant Silvergun are gone! Using the same core as before, official version 24.03.23 from update_all. So it is true, v3.0 RAM helps, at least with the current state of the core.

[wise brook]

make sure to send some love srg320's way if possible

[supple vine]

Yes, of course. The MiSTer is my favorite hobby. Even with all these upgrades (RAM, IO Board, Noctua fan, SNAX cables, Reflex-Adapt etc.) it is still cheaper than a hi-spec PC and it has less total lag. 🙂

[chilly tangle]

It seems like even having a v2.9/v3.0 RAM module doesn't guarantee Radiant Silvergun will work. I have 2 MiSTers, one with v2.5 ram and one with v2.9 ram. The one with v2.5 ram won't even get to the title screen for Silvergun regardless of core version. The one with v2.9 ram plays Silvergun just fine.

I just got a v3.0 module in the mail from mister addons and replaced the v2.5 with it, and now Radiant Silvergun boots, but it usually freezes before I can gain ship control, or freezes once the first mid boss is destroyed.

I don't think it's the SD card either, I was using the same sd card in both MiSTers

[stone sky]

It just happened to me that it freezes in Duke Nukem 3D, in the second stage in the store full of aliens that has 3 red buttons to open a door, I'll try again to see if it's regular.

Other games run normally and even better than before, this last one is a great update.

[dim tulip]

I remember reading somewhere that each 3.0 RAM (and guessing 2.9 as well since they are nearly the same) has some type of variance, people were referring to it as the RAM lottery. Not sure what exactly differs - I think it may be speed related - someone with more technical knowledge would likely be able to explain. But since the core seems so RAM dependent currently, maybe that is why it isn’t working

[ancient surge]

It has to have tight timings in order for it to even be feasible on the NANO-10. The SEGA Saturn is a weird system, so it requires equally weird solutions.

[burnt matrix]

weird system with weird games for weird people?

[lusty rapids]

that's why I don't play saturn, I'm a perfectly normal people

[naive whale]

This is how I imagine you when you write these comments

[ancient surge]

Crash Bandicoot? Tomb Raider? Tony Hawk Pro Skater?

Nah mate, I enjoy Planet Joker and Death Crimson. 😎

[pearl harbor]

So it's your favorite system!?

[burnt matrix]

lol its pretty awesome

[sinful verge]

Could you try swapping rams between your de10s? Would be interesting to see if it's your ram or de10.

[tawdry lion]

make sure it's not a 4 chip RAM. Those will not work correctly for Saturn.

[pine stratus]

Same here. Radiant Silvergun never booted with my v2.5. I have then decided to get a v3.0 just for this game...lol...and I was over the moon to find that it worked perfectly fine although without audio. I have just checked when I have placed my order and that was around the beginning of October. It has stopped working after the lastest update but probably even before that as I seem to recall that I was getting a black screen at some point...but I thought it was a random video glitch that you get when you switch from one core to another one...anyways I am sure it will get fixed sooner or later!

[mortal mist]

New core alert

[ancient surge]

What is LFO?

[mortal mist]

Audio

Hv counters - lightguns

[rich violet]

Low-frequency oscillation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_oscillation

[mortal mist]

LFO
PCM sampling: 16‑bit and 8‑bit audio depth, 44.1 kHz sampling sate (CD quality), up to 32 PCM channels

(Saturn spec)

[rich violet]

https://segaretro.org/images/2/2f/ST-077-R2-052594.pdf
Says:

LFO (Low Frequency Oscillator)
Indicates a functional frequency generator that generates wave
forms with frequencies that are below the range that is audible to
the human ear. The output wave form of this LFO is used for
amplitude and modulation of frequency.

[shadow merlin]

You can't hear an LFO but you can hear its effect on other things. Often used for vibrato (wobbly) sounds, but has a lot of other uses.

Old synths would use them as the clock for sequencers for example, but we're getting out of the realms of Sega Saturn there...

[ancient surge]

Maybe it's related to the broken sound in Sakura Wars 2?

[shadow merlin]

Could be, what's broken about the sound in SW2?

[wise brook]

@fringe kettle your wish has likely being granted

[inner token]

oh cool, looks like lightguns are going to happen. I raised an issue for snac support and asked him about the pad interrupt and HV latch.

[wise brook]

might just treat myself the the Sega Stunner micro-switch mod

[burnt matrix]

I wonder why only basic pad for SNAC? I’ve been testing all the latest builds and SNAC is working flawlessly for me.

@inner token is amazing! 🥳

[subtle tusk]

Brown note support finally added to Saturn core

[inner token]

looks like he reworked all the controller stuff.

[burnt matrix]

Weird, how come?

Ok the dual ram build got posted, finally I can enjoy this core again and not have to slum it with the single ram plebes

[mortal mist]

Wow , sound is great now

Check Nights before and now

Huge difference

[wise brook]

drat!

I'm stuck playing some dumb boardgame

[burnt matrix]

omg I have that game too

[mortal mist]

It's not dumb

It's hero quest!

[ripe valley]

LFO is a pretty great part of the SCSP sound treatment.

And not an easy one to implement too.

[shadow merlin]

something strange might be happening in the new core with controllers. In dead or alive I'm controlling both characters with one pad even with both pads and snac set to off in the OSD. This is on the dual ram core

Doesn't happen in the previous core

[mortal mist]

Haha yes , confirmed

[inner token]

yeah there might be a couple new bugs. also seems to be a bug in the new controller code that affects snac and usb controls. normal pad usually reports 02FFFF but new core it is 02FFFC

[mortal mist]

But only abc , not direction

[burnt matrix]

DAMNIT beaten by @mortal mist

L and R not replicated but START is

START + A B C duped on P2

[burnt matrix]

If you’re having issues with some games this is your reminder that the core only works for people who ❤️ .

I filed a bug - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/174

[ripe valley]

Rayman doesn't work anymore.

The game is hyper sensible to pad timings on the SCU.

You can choose a save file and the game will stays still without going in-game.

[mortal mist]

yes, same here

[ripe valley]

I've tested my other opened issues, no changes part for Waku Waku 7.

[inner token]

he's probably still working on controllers. the type selection in osd doesn't do anything now. it seems to always be digital pad, that may be what he meant by " (only standart PAD for now)"

[ripe valley]

I think it will be the following step on fixes for a next version.

[short shore]

SNAC SUPPORT FINALLY 🎉

thank you mister blue1 for giving us snac support in the interim

[fringe kettle]

Oh nice, that does seem like it'd fix it, based on the description

[wise brook]

heck yeah

[fringe kettle]

I filed a ticket about it with some example clips a few days ago, if you're curious https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/172

Don't know if it'll fix that steam sound effect mentioned though, and that one's legitimately ear-piercing

[soft valley]

Wonder if it will fix the little buzz I get when jumping in Bubble Symphony

[shadow merlin]

You can hear the lack of LFO on mister in the melody before the steam effect. On real hardware it has vibrato/a wobbly sound

[fringe kettle]

Yeah I noticed that too

[shadow merlin]

That should hopefully sound better on today’s core then.

[naive whale]

Ooh fun

nice we got LFO too

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-idea-gif-27149353

[naive whale]

Perfect joke and you know it!

[tawny forge]

Latest unstable is messed up. Pressed start button in SFZ3 to start a new battle and I've got a second player joining. Using a single USB controller here.

[mortal mist]

yes

it's extra feature 😛

[tawny forge]

2 players, 1 controller 🙃

[mortal mist]

this is an option for nerds without friends , you play with yourself

[kind quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-kenan-thompson-gif-14317844

[mortal mist]

srg320 will definitely fix this soon , although it was cool to see one pad control two characters 😄

[pearl harbor]

Is it really perfect though if I didn't get the joke?

[naive whale]

It just hasn’t gotten to Wisconsin yet

Soon I bet

[mortal mist]

Rayman works fine again 🙂

fast fix

bug with second controller is fixed now @burnt matrix

[ancient surge]

Sounds like it was just a typo.

[ripe valley]

Thanks.
I was getting outside for a moment and saw the mention.
I will test later tonight.

[pearl harbor]

Gotta wait for the sweet sweet single ram build of the fix.

[wise brook]

it's out bud

[drifting frigate]

Hmmm. SNAC isn't going so hot. Two controllers cause the whole thing to fall down. I think this checkin from an hour ago is maybe not in the CLI?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/89a7639034ae858c4b0efa361eaabb01047a7961

Looks like it is. Hm.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, when I plug in 2 digital pads with SNAX, they crossfire and neither works correctly. Oh well, until the next build!

Cotton 2 sounds miles better, or I'm just imagining it. Hehe. That's so cool.

[sacred goblet]

It seems that bug sound is now ok. But i need to compare with Real hardware.

[naive whale]

SaturnDay in 4 min

[tawdry lion]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-saturn-sega-saturn-sega-saturn-logo-earth-gif-3545008708553501614

[ancient surge]

But it's Friday.

[naive whale]

every say is SaturnDay

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/metallica-james-hetfield-money-hetfield-gif-13910433

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/david-mustaine-thumbs-up-megadeth-lazer-haha-gif-26734416

[drifting frigate]

Lol, my old office mate was his bassist in Sanctuary (he was exec producer). He's kinda nuts, apparently. But such is the way of things.

[mortal mist]

I'm going to a Megadeth concert in June 🤘

[random shard]

How did the saturn not sell more with Ice Cube in their ads? 🤔

[hearty carbon]

People were still scared of Ice Cube back then.

They were like, "oh no, I better get the kids a Playstation or a Mario"

[grim snow]

Hey everyone 👋 last night I tried to play Virtual Hydlide (I know) but the bottom of the screen was cut off so I couldn’t read the compass. I can’t seem to find a solution in the Saturn Core video settings but please forgive me if I’m missing something obvious. How do I fix Virtual Hydlide and other games with this problem?

[thorn pagoda]

was this on a crt?

[grim snow]

This feels like such a mean spirited ad lmao

[grim snow]

No on a flatscreen

[thorn pagoda]

oh, weird

[grim snow]

I’ve been playing other games like Radiant Silvergun, Die Hard Arcade, and Panzer Dragoon just fine

[thorn pagoda]

i don't even know what could cause that honestly

[grim snow]

Well it IS virtual hydlide so no loss there lmao

[thorn pagoda]

maybe some setting on your tv? like a zoom option

[grim snow]

It’s just a really funny game I wanted to show my friends

[thorn pagoda]

saturn coe doesn't have any video cropping options so it has to be something after the mister really

[grim snow]

The saturn image doesn’t fill the screen, but I’ll check the if it’s zoomed in when I get home

Within the upscaled (I assume pixel perfect?) saturn image output is cut off

I should’ve taken a picture, my bad

[thorn pagoda]

i think @burnt matrix is our resident virtua hydlide expert

[grim snow]

I’m so sorry to hear that, I hope he gets well soon xD

[soft quarry]

I have had problems trying to run Final Fight Revenge and Magical Night Dreams, I'm using a single ram module, is anyone else having this issue? (Running the latest unstable and stable core using the Hi-Saturn v3 Bios)

[grim snow]

When I get home I’ll check my TV settings and download the latest Mister unstable and see if it’s fixed. If not I’ll post a picture. Thanks guys 🙏

[mortal mist]

Final Fight Revenge needs 4mb ram cart, did you set it up?

[soft quarry]

Yep

[mortal mist]

works fine here

sdram 2.9

[soft quarry]

Final Fight has never worked but Magical Night Dreams did work but with no sound and crashed (this was with a previous version a few moths ago).

[mortal mist]

magical night dreams works fine too

what version of sdram do you have ?

[soft quarry]

see im not sure I bought it years ago

early day of MiSTer

[mortal mist]

saturn has problems with 2.4/2.5 and with sdram with 4 chips

[soft quarry]

Do you have any recommendations on where to get the correct RAM? I'm from Australia. (or exactly what i should be looking at)

[mortal mist]

I recommend waiting , until the core is completed

[grim snow]

https://misteraddons.com/products/sdram

[soft quarry]

Thanks

[soft quarry]

Thank you

[grim snow]

👌

[burnt matrix]

yes!

[burnt matrix]

yes!

[thorn pagoda]

is it working ok on the newest builds?

[mortal mist]

yes

works fine

[burnt matrix]

Virtual Hydlide is always perfect!

[mortal mist]

indeed

perfection

🙂

[burnt matrix]

wow, what an awesome looking game! what is it called?

[native dagger]

Is that the game that inspired BotW?

[mortal mist]

yeah

[tall radish]

so I started playing it recently not knowing anything about it

it’s my least favorite souls-like

[ancient surge]

The Legend of Zelda Breath Of The Wild

[ancient surge]

Who would win, Jim or Brian?

[naive whale]

It really makes no sense

[scarlet goblet]

Virtua Hydlide isn't bad, it just has extremely low resolution.

[wise brook]

I've played thru the demo with the old and new core and can verify the sound fix did indeed resolve the steam sound in lips

[fringe kettle]

nice!

[quick sorrel]

Happy to hear Dave said doing well 🤘

[fringe kettle]

with the latest stable build fixing the visual errors with the borders and now this nightly fixing the audio issues I think SW2's golden now

though I haven't played enough to get to any battles so who knows what's waiting there

[wise brook]

the fact that the SW2 fan translation, when done, will be accessible to thousands of MiSTer players, and will likely an indistinguishable experience from og hardware users, is just too fricking awesome.
potentially doubles the games audience

if we're lucky the columns game on Saturn might get done too

[fringe kettle]

I hope so too, I actually like that one a bit more than the sequel on Dreamcast just because it feels snappier

and the art's nicer on the whole

[wise brook]

I'm learning how to hack games right now, its like beating my head against a wall tho

but there's a game I like and want to see more people play it, and I reckon the best way to do that is to make it english so they've got no excuse

[wise brook]

you were involved in the GBC game translation too iirc?

[fringe kettle]

yep!

[wise brook]

thank you, so much for that

I really appreciate it

[fringe kettle]

and I'm helping out the team working on 3 as well

[wise brook]

wild how we've gone from only having the 5th game in english to the majority of the series

[fringe kettle]

I'd love to tackle Columns 1 and GB2 someday as well, but one thing at a time

[wise brook]

if they ever do happen and I can help do put out the call

[fringe kettle]

I'll try not to forget!

[wise brook]

In the meanwhile more Japanese studies for me

my latest unit is spicy

[fringe kettle]

thankfully games are a great way to practice Japanese, particularly any that require menuing; drills words into your head real quick through sheer repetition

[quick sorrel]

The various fonts and game specific language has always been a bane to me.

[wise brook]

the first time I read オピション in a menu screen and it clicked what it meant was about as good as it gets

[quick sorrel]

オプション　😉

[thick oriole]

I had this issue with Radiant Silvergun when testing today (official release core) - played great for a while, but eventually the audio completely bombed out. I'm on 2.5 RAM. I'm surprised it's working as well with stuff as it is, though, and it does sound like with folks' experience all over the place that maybe I'll just wait before I order anything else.

[quick sorrel]

I can't recall anyone with v2.5 RAM that has had perfect audio.

Could always wait and see.

[thick oriole]

Yeah, even with some other stuff that works I get a little bit of audio pop/crackle occasionally.

[burnt matrix]

Damn, SEGA Saturn core is nearly perfect

[thorn pagoda]

sounds like lightgun support could be getting worked on right now

if i understand the changelog anyway

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhhhhhh shit

[thorn pagoda]

VDP2: implement external latching of HV counters

[naive whale]

Crypt Killer time!

[burnt matrix]

what’s some good Saturn games to play

Any unearthed treasures

[tall radish]

Elevator action 2 is fun and mostly in English

[burnt matrix]

I just have bug, bug too, and virtual Hydlide installed

[hearty carbon]

Go get all the Guardian Heroes endings

[burnt matrix]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that game

[hearty carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/guardian-heroes-gif-26705514

It has a skeleton knight with a magic sword so you never have to play by yourself

[grim snow]

"Play the Sega Saturn and you too shall go bald"

[naive whale]

Maybe he was playing to try to grow hair

[grim snow]

Lol I didn't know the Saturn makes you grow hair. I hope srg320 finds the time to implement that feature into mister

[grim snow]

Speaking of radiation though, are we just not going to talk about this Sega Saturn ad where Japan nukes America with the caption "Nothing Else Matters"?

[tall radish]

you don’t get to decide where the hair grows though

[grim snow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chewbacca-argh-angry-ugh-gif-16275118

[tawdry lion]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

[grim snow]

Okay we won't talk about it then. Understood xD

Now that I’m home, I tried Virtual Hydlide on the most recent unstable Saturn core and I’m still getting this issue where the bottom of the screen is cut off, now I have pics though

My TV isn’t in zoom mode

Anyone else encounter this and know what to do?

[tawdry lion]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-7386483