Sega Saturn

[night geyser]

Oh okay i only tried in the core itself I will try in the main menu now and get right back

[gloomy hedge]

you may also want to make sure the controller itself is in X-input mode

[night geyser]

Okay I will see if this controller has that option

[mortal mist]

This controller does not work well with mister

#controllers message

@pearl harbor wrote about the problems with it here

[gloomy hedge]

but there's not a new version out correct? technically?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[gloomy hedge]

also fyi

Sega Rally for me, sound is fucked but put that aside, it crashes after stage 1

right after splash screen for stage 2, it jus goes white and stays

not sure if others have gotten further

[mortal mist]

I finished sega rally many times

[night geyser]

Kuba you are speaking of the normal version or the pro controller version?

[mortal mist]

Pro

[night geyser]

What discord channel is that so I can read? Not part of it

[mortal mist]

#controllers message

[glass aurora]

controllers

[night geyser]

Also do you think it can be fixable if retrobit or core developers came out with an update?

Just says no access I’m kind of new to discord forgive me

[glass aurora]

you probably need to subscribe to it in id:customize

[pearl harbor]

That's because the C button is the same as the L button, and the Z button is the same as the R button on the controller. They are not registered as separate buttons.

[mortal mist]

It definitely looks like a problem with the ram

For me sega rally works perfectly

[pearl harbor]

The way to make the controller work on MiSTer is to just map the face buttons to their respective letters in the mapping tool, and set ZL and ZR to L and R.

Then just pretend that the L and R button don't exist.

[naive whale]

I didn’t experience any issues with it last time I tested

[pearl harbor]

I don't think there is anything that can fix that problem either, because it is an issue with the controller's design itself. Only Retrobit can fix it.

[naive whale]

But I don’t have time to test anything more than like ten minutes before I have to move on to the next thing

[gloomy hedge]

the whole game is like 5 minutes long bro 😛

[gloomy hedge]

should I be sourcing new ram then?

[pearl harbor]

Shots fired!

[gloomy hedge]

I'll probably just wait

[naive whale]

🤣 you go make as many videos a week as I do and you tell me

[pearl harbor]

Bacon down! I repeat! Bacon is down!

[mortal mist]

Wait until core is completed

[gloomy hedge]

I mean you can stop once it gets to the replay of the whole run, jeez!

DRIVE BACON DRIVE

(the rest is extra stage and replay)

[naive whale]

Haha I thought you meant bulk slash

[night geyser]

That worked, thank you!

[gloomy hedge]

You were talking about bulk slash.... I was talking about Sega rally lol my fault

[willow siren]

Is the Saturn clock working? Tried to play Christmas Nights. Never played Saturn before so might be missing something obvious. If I load core without a game and change the time in system settings, then go back into the menu, it's always back to 0/1/2022

Launching the game gives a time setting, but again, no matter what I enter in game sticks to 2022

[strong zephyr]

Pretty sure i was able to play stage 2. Sounds also messed up here. Holding off on upgrading memory till i know more of mars.

[mortal mist]

Nope , clock is not working properly

[willow siren]

Ahh, thank you. I'm a Saturn newbie so I didn't even know it had a clock until trying to play the game.
Amazing so many games are working so well

[mortal mist]

Core is amazing, my favorite games work well

[waxen vortex]

Most of the Saturn games I love run pretty much perfectly (other than low volume / scratchy sound at times). They play nicely and for the most part look similar to Real Hardware. I have still got my Japanese Saturn with the Fenrir ODE in my setup for comparisons where necessary but for full transparency, I haven't fired it up for months.

[polar mountain]

I can't stop playing Sega Rally. It's just fun.

[mortal mist]

Yeah, i love sega rally

I love Ridge Racer on psx, and Sega Rally on saturn, I love these games

[polar mountain]

What sweeter words can be heard than "long,easy left!"

[river wing]

You are just like me: give me fun arcade racers any day over those stiff and lifeless simulators. Both Ridge Racer and Sega Rally are pure 90's essence of fun and joy! 🙂

[twin canyon]

you spelled it wrong. it's RAGE racer.

[mortal mist]

Rage Racer is also cool 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Sega Rally is amazing. It's especially good when using the 3D controller via SNAC. Analog control is a game changer! I finally got 1st place once I switched to it.

[river wing]

I get 1st place on the first race with a regular digital controller 😄

[pearl harbor]

It's not possible to get first on the first track!

Madness!

[river wing]

Hmm... Maybe I am wrong... I'll have a play and find out! 😄

[pearl harbor]

Maybe!

[mortal mist]

After 3 laps in firt race i'm on 10/11 place if i remeber correctly

[inner kayak]

Did the latest changelog not appear as a Patreon post?

[drifting frigate]

It wasn't from srg. And it was just housekeeping.

He merged it. Or do you mean the one from over a month ago?

If you want a quick rundown, the color line register on VDP 2 uses bits 5-0. The mask was too large, though, masking bits 9-0. So changing the mask from 0x3FF to the correct 0x3F was all it did. Just housekeeping.

[inner kayak]

the one a month ago. I saw the discussion for the most recent one here

when I was working on FreeSCI and scummvm 20 years ago, sometimes I would notice little mistakes in the translation from x86/68k assembly into C++ and fix them. More often than not, testers would discover it had fixed something I wasn’t even aware was a problem in the first place 🙂

[mortal mist]

The last changes for core made by srg320 were on October 4.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/progress-update-90298081

[gloomy hedge]

there aren't any laps in sega rally haha

what in the heck is going on here

https://youtu.be/OqNGkJumhPg this is a (scuffed) run in sega rally with bosth first places

am I missin somethin?

doin this unlocks the third car 😛

oh yeah this was a with a retrobit saturn controller ( digital )

[mortal mist]

of course there are laps

[gloomy hedge]

see my video above what am I missing

[mortal mist]

and have you ever checked the in-game options?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0e9bGZ_0c

well , I prefer a slightly longer ride 🙂

[upper dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3R2ypn1fk

I guess it be hard to understand the novelty of "Wow - I have the arcade game in my house!" regarding these types of games in modern times

[pale estuary]

We did, but it’s kinda buggy. You have to reset the console after loading them.

[willow siren]

I believe the games just need to be in sub folders. So to load CHD game after CHD game, so long as each is inside a seperate folder within games/saturn/ I think it will work? I had the same issue like yesterday

[pearl harbor]

No difference on my end with CHD compared to bin/cue format.

[next bronze]

I remember having to reset with bin/cue too. Though I may be remembering wrong.

[mortal mist]

Each game should be in a separate folder, whether bin/cue or chd.

There is no need to reset after selecting each new game.

[pearl harbor]

All CD based cores should be treated that way. Always keep each game in their own folder, even with CHD.

[gloomy hedge]

lol never did

I actually didnt realize the tracks looped at all

I thought they just went point to point

TIL

the longer ride looks like it isnt actually rebalanced? so the game would be significantly easier then? welllllll I guess there's more room for mistakes too

good shit

[mortal mist]

longer runs , more fun 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

indeed !

Although I relish in the short runs, I quite like the one shot arcade style

one of the few games that fits in the " I have 15 minutes to play something " category

[mortal mist]

in 15 min you will do three races of 3 laps each , you will also fit in hehe

[gloomy hedge]

that sounds pretty fun

although the last track is kind of a nightmare I usually hold my buttcheeks in for that one

not the bonus track but the one before

[pearl harbor]

The buttcheek tactics are ace.

[void halo]

What’s the best way to report bugs for this core?

It only works until you enter a battle. The battle screens are totally unplayable and a garbled mess of graphics’s.

[humble solar]

Is it possible to play bomberman saturn with 3+ players on mister? I couldn’t figure it out

[sick python]

Core is still beta is it not? Feature might not be implemented yet.

[humble solar]

Oh, I didn’t realize it was, it’s playing lots of stuff so well I thought it was done!

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues - bug reports

[lavish wadi]

Oh man… I get the feeling we are gonna see something awesome soon from srg320!

[mortal mist]

It is good to have positive thinking 🙂

[tawny forge]

Why?

[lavish wadi]

Just a hunch.. 🤓

[lavish wadi]

That’s exactly right. 👍

[violet wolf]

Usb guncon 2 doesn't work yet, right?

[mortal mist]

no support for lightguns

yet

[violet wolf]

Thanks, guess I gotta keep shooting yoshi in the back of his head

Tho dual mission or mission stick could've fooled me, they sound a bit gunny

[ancient surge]

We need the light gun support to experience Death Crimson just like God intended

[violet wolf]

Love taking recommendations on face value in these channels and then being treated to some audiovisual nightmare

Might branch out from virtua cop and house of the dead eventually, if I'm ever feeling brave

[noble escarp]

I'm not sure if it can be done with usb controllers, but it can using snac and a real multitap.

[serene thunder]

Try out Battle Monsters
Crushes puny games like SF Alpha 3

[mortal mist]

haha Battle Monsters ... ok 😛

[violet wolf]

I wish I had a game studio, so I could digitize my poor interns and have them wearing silly halloween costumes for some weak mortal kombat clone

[serene thunder]

It's fun vs friends, I swear

[mortal mist]

yeah.....Grandia is unplayable in this state...

[serene thunder]

y so weak

[mortal mist]

if anyone wants to check

[edgy hollow]

So question on SNAC + multi-tap.

2 players just work with it?

thinking of like making a box for it with like the USB 3 exposed only then internally it has:

1. snac->multi tap
2. Multi tap to 2-6 ports (haven't decided)

or just use it plain unlike my other 2 snacs

[cunning citrus]

Games not compatible with the tap just reads the first tap port as controller 1. It is expected from the core to behave the same. All Saturn Multitaps have 6 ports on them, some games uses a second tap on port 2 for 8, 10 or 12 players. iirc you will need SNAX to have 2 players over snac. Only compatible games will accept more than one player connected to the tap.

[zinc vine]

anyone try new sega saturn controller, using snac?

[edgy hollow]

eww snax. Any open source with 2 ports?

but wait, snax and snax64 are only 1 player or multiplayer via multitap
Probably unlikely to have 2 ports probably due to lack of pins and multiplexing (PS1 had 3 useless pins and multiplexing)

[quick sorrel]

This regressed didn't it? I thought I saw a VGE video with it running.

[mortal mist]

I don't know what VGE showed, only the combat mode is messed up

you can explore the world and the game looks ok

[celest iris]

snax is closed source?

[amber lichen]

Is the Saturn core in the update all script?

[burnt matrix]

No

[celest iris]

oh i thought it was just like SNAC+

i am learning all sorts of things this week

thanks robby

[amber lichen]

Thx Robby. Guess no one compiled new build yet that’s in the new release dvideo tiday?

[green swift]

That video is 2 months old

[burnt matrix]

Oh I’m dumb, I totally misread that as SNAC

[celest iris]

and i misread your reply as "yes"

[burnt matrix]

I have no idea about that, I shouldn’t have replied I’m sorry

[celest iris]

i tried googling but didn't see any github stuff so

porkchop used to make all his stuff open source, but it's been a couple years since we talked about it

[next bronze]

Not sure what the deal with Snax is, but Ultimate Mister also has a similar adapter and new Snac adapters that support 2p for NES and SNES (not sure if they are in stock).

I did purchase snax and adapters and like it quite a bit so far, though somewhat disappointed that the FC adapter still works like a NES adapter.

and something plugged in through the FC adapter and the 3D Glasses passthru still acts as controller 1.

On a FC controllers 1 and 2 don't need to be switched to use the 3d adapter

Saturn adapter from Ultimate Mister works great for the driving and 3D controllers, but it uses those finicky adapters found on extension cords. It partially works with the gun and will probably fully work when support is added.

I'm not sure if SNAX does anything different from other PSX SNAC adatpers aside from allowing for other adapters via HDMI port.

[next bronze]

I noticed blue212's SNAC page has a new mini version.

[inner token]

Saturn will only be one port regardless of how many ports the adapter has. it will be similar to Gen/MD

yeah Brian only the stunner trigger works right now, the sensor part in the core is all implemented yet.

[edgy hollow]

Snax is, i was looking for snac boards but given it's 1 port, probably will not make my own

[quick sorrel]

Which Saturn adapter did you mean - snax or Daemon? Or is there another one? Cuz I thought 3D pads didn’t work with the adapter yet.

[pearl harbor]

I've only used my Saturn 3D controller with SNAC. And it works fine with that at least.

[next bronze]

snac

It's the lightguns that don't work with the adapter yet. Buttons work, but you can't shoot the screen yet.

all controllers took a few tries on Saturn SNAC because of the finnicky extension cords they are sourced from

[hearty carbon]

Nostalgia's a helluva drug. I'm over here utterly burnt out on Total War games while I'm sitting here playing Dragon Force as if it's not just a proto-Total War game

[limpid sun]

Is there a blank cartridge memory file, or a way to generate one for the MiSTer?

[mortal mist]

if you have the games in separate folders ( and you should ) then a separate file is created for each game

I don't know what your plan is for such an empty file 🙂

[limpid sun]

NHL 98 is saying it needs cartridge memory

[mortal mist]

its not supported

only internal memory

[limpid sun]

I wondered about cartridge *.bin, but if it’s not supported yet, then phooey

[quick sorrel]

I see. Off-hand, do you know if the daemon one works with the 3D pad?

[dense vale]

I keep getting game disc not suitable for this system. ive got hi saturn and all of the cue and bin files are in games/saturn

also hi (forgot to say that first as it seems rude to jump right into asking for help without doing so haha)

also also every time i end a sentence with haha i cant help but re-read it in speed racer's voice haha

[mortal mist]

have you set the region correctly?

[dense vale]

one sec. gonna transfer the micro sd back to my mister and check

IT WORKS THAT WAS IT

Thank. You. Sir.

daytonaaaaaaaaaaaa

[dense vale]

i ended up switching to the us bios 1.0 because it's more nostalgic for me and i only play the us games anyway

[burnt matrix]

Not having grown up with the Saturn I can’t really opine but I think the U.S. library is pretty great. I know people always point to all the stuff we never got localized but there’s a lot of cool stuff there still.

[dense vale]

brb

ah yes. i know that word now

I most definitely opine with it

[burnt matrix]

Welcome to Good Saturn home of the Good Saturn,

[pearl harbor]

Robby never grew up with a Saturn. Fake fan confirmed!

[next bronze]

I haven't tried that one, but other Daemons only worked with standard pads and the description doesn't mention anything about analog controllers.

[burnt matrix]

I am the realest Sega fan. I didn't give a shit about them until they bankrupt.

[dense kernel]

I grew up with Sega; my first console in my own room was the Sega Master System. Later, I got the Genesis and even did chores in a toy store to play Sonic CD and Wonder Dog after closing time. I then switched to the PSX but quickly exchanged it for a Dreamcast and an N64. Eventually, I returned to PlayStation with the PSone, complete with the small screen. It was during this time that I discovered Final Fantasy and played it with my girlfriend, who is now my wife of 24 years. Sega holds a special place in my heart, though I always regretted not having enough money for the Saturn. I eventually got it around the time the first Xbox console was released, paying a bit too much. I had a good collection of used games, but some got scratched. When I brought them to the game store to remove the scratches, the games mysteriously disappeared. Among them were Story of Thor 2, Panzer Dragon, Deep Fear, D, Swagman, and Nights into Dreams. 😔 I never got them back, which is why I'm thrilled with the Saturn core for the Mister FPGA.

[burnt matrix]

Your story is a roller coaster of emotion. I was nostalgic at the beginning, filled with love in the middle, then sadness, but I left with a sense of renewed spirit and inspiration at the end.

[polar mountain]

I had C64, Megadrive, 3DO, Saturn, N64, PS1 in that order.

Everytime my brother and I asked for a new console at xmas we had to give our old consoles away to our less fortunate cousin

He still has them all

[polar geode]

3/6 aint bad.. i guess ^_^

[polar mountain]

So with the MiSTer I've got back everything cept the 3dO

and my sense of dignity

[polar geode]

I kid. Uhm.. as a youngin lesse

Nes, game gear, snes, psx, saturn, neo geo pocket, dreamcast

[burnt matrix]

insert batty ngp image

[polar mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-and-last-crusade-1989-movie-paramount-knight-gif-21949977

[polar geode]

I'll call the game gear out as the L it is, but it made for a fine book light when dad refused to turns on the cars dome light at night on road trips

[burnt matrix]

game gear rocks

why u hating

[polar mountain]

oh I also had a Lynx 😦

[polar geode]

Because i owned one when they were new. You know, when you were 3? ;)

[burnt matrix]

goo goo 👶

[polar geode]

Honestly it was fine! Just not amazing or anything

[mortal mist]

my first console is PS5 , I am 9 years old

what is MiSTer ?

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/go-leave-me-alone-golden-girls-you-have-to-go-now-rose-gif-22287138

[mortal mist]

mommy help!🥺

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-lady-eleanor-abernathy-the-simpsons-gif-13516684

[mortal mist]

I had Atari 2600, Amiga, SNES, PSX , Saturn 🙂

and NES clone haha

[polar geode]

You had Dendy, comrade?

[mortal mist]

pegasus

[polar geode]

Thats a 50hz clone in the same general family iirc

[mortal mist]

Pegasus ruled in Poland 🙂

[polar geode]

Oh ok, discord dont let me attach a photo of it

Fucking shitty update

Dendy and similar famiclone folk are my famicom loving family

[serene thunder]

We share a lot of history

[mortal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VHYLJR9pNg&t=1s

maybe new Panzer Dragoon too ?

[crystal bison]

Absolutely stole the show

[serene thunder]

Damnnn new JSR

[mortal mist]

Shinobi looks cool

[pearl harbor]

What timeline is this where we're actually getting new entries in series like Shinobi and Golden Axe!?

Does feel a little weird getting another Streets of Rage already though.

[polar geode]

Shinobi looks pretty cool

[stiff patrol]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=80868#p80868

any one got the Japanese Super Tempo Working ?

I get a black screen like the posters

[serene thunder]

What we need is a new Tempo game

[polar geode]

:(

[mortal mist]

nope, no boot 🙂

[stiff patrol]

Well apparently @naive whale got it working. But Youtube Shill So 🙂

[vernal sun]

Golden Axe looks like crap. Shinobi looks solid though.

[mortal mist]

with which core ? from core 20231004 does not work 🙂

[stiff patrol]

no idea just going on the post

[mortal mist]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BpCRjALSAAe4lQGfaJgoiDZu6aLFrVOLdSEJqN4EgIg/

maybe someone will find it useful

and if anyone wants to help with testing, you are welcome 😄

[naive whale]

It worked at some point

I still have the capture in my assets folder

[mortal mist]

yes, it;s stopped working with core 20231004

[polar geode]

:( the best bug game on saturn, non working

[mortal mist]

Densetsu no Ōga Batoru
Digital Pinball: Necronomicon
Shining the Holy Ark
Shutsudou! Miniskirt Police
Super Tempo

these games don't work

Japanese games are so many , that I do not think I have enough free time to check them out, besides I do not like dating sim games 😂

[serene thunder]

JP library is like half weird quasi-games

[next bronze]

The digital pinball: Necronomicon demo in Last Gladiators 9.7 does work, oddly enough (and so does Last Gladiators 9.7)

[burnt matrix]

Bug Two?

[hearty carbon]

Has anyone gotten Tactics Ogre to run?

Some splash screens for me and then darkness.

[thorn pagoda]

isn't that an n64 game?

[tidal marsh]

do all the features work?

[serene thunder]

batty back on top

[pearl harbor]

The analog stick works correctly and the analog triggers work correctly.

[tidal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-neo-keanu-reeves-the-matrix-shocked-gif-22197093

i need to get one

[pearl harbor]

SNAC/SNAX is currently the only way to have working analog triggers on the core.

[hearty carbon]

it's a port of an SNES game that later came to PSX. Pretty good version of it on the Saturn.

[tidal marsh]

Is putting a 2 foot or so cable on snac gonna be a bad idea

Bc I’m not sitting on the floor

[hearty carbon]

So, I'm over here playing Dragon Force, taking a risky castle assault. Things go all Pyrrhic on me. I end up dying shortly after. "You have failed, but this isn't the end"

"I don't remember there being some kind of continue or resurrection mechanic." I click to proceed. It brings up the save files. I love old games.

[glass aurora]

I'm also wondering what the max distance is between MiSTer and SNAX box is.

[stiff patrol]

in theory the mister and the snac should have as short a distance as possible

But once you are at the connector from the Snac, then any cable length that was used in the day for that controller is fine

[glass aurora]

Thanks for the info! I might try a Saturn extension cable and if that causes problems I'll sit closer.

The way things are playing out, Saturn makes the most sense for SNAC / SNAX.

Until MiSTer supports analog triggers and also until a better 3rd party controller comes out.

[clear condor]

I'd expect DualSense to be pretty good once its triggers are supported

[tidal marsh]

There’s a mod to swap out the cable for usb but it was sold out last I checked

[burnt matrix]

PS1 does. That console has the largest amount of unique controllers.

[dense vale]

Can anyone with a BlisSTer setup test out the Saturn core with a Saturn controller and BB adapter? For me, it works with other cores but not Saturn.

[burnt matrix]

Saturn cables are notoriously finicky, I’d try pulling the cable out slightly if it’s not working.

[glass aurora]

That sounds like a rabbit hole I could definitely get into, but not sure if should.

[stiff patrol]

Densha de Go

you must buy this controller for every core supported

[burnt matrix]

Yeah don’t LOL

Saturn is like perfect level of wacky support

[dense vale]

if it was the cord, why would it work with other cores but not the saturn? i'll try it though.

[burnt matrix]

Oh sorry maybe I misunderstood.

In my SNAC use, I use the Saturn controller cable adapter that plugs into the SNAX. That Saturn controller adapter has issues for me if I push the controller cable in all the way. I heard of other users having similar problems so it sounded like a general cable issue.

[silk mauve]

Might be more of a question for the Bliss folk. I can give you an invite to that server if you don't already have it

[dense vale]

gotcha. in my case, the controller works fine up until i load the saturn core.

i asked there as well, waiting for an answer. just thought i'd ask here as well in the mean time. thanks though = )

now time to go ask a question in the nes core thread regarding the famicom 3d glasses

always have questions lol

[silk mauve]

Ah, I see you in there! Haha. I blew out my BlisSTer a few months ago and haven't been in there much since. My own fault for not watching which power supply I was hooking up. Risks of taking the MiSTer and iPad screen everywhere, haha.

I have since gotten the MiSTeraddons power supply brick. Makes it much easier to tell the difference at a glance

[silk mauve]

Just thinking out loud, is there a BlisSTer version of the Saturn core yet?

[stiff patrol]

no

Blisster needs forked cores

its really a dead end these days

Snac and Daemonbites make it irrelevent

[silk mauve]

It's not, they're actively forking cores as they get updated and adding new stuff

But there's not many on board so it's slow going

[stiff patrol]

Anything that needs someone to maintain a fork is a bad idea

[silk mauve]

It's an option. Don't discredit options just because they're not maintained simply via the update_all script

[stiff patrol]

its not that

its a unusupported option by the Main Dev

its a poor choice requiring forked cores

and really offers very little for all the pain it brings

[silk mauve]

I won't disagree SNAC is a simpler option, but BlisSTer allows for really close original controller polling while also allowing OSD control without changing input devices. It's an option that a decent amount care about imo.

[stiff patrol]

Unless its a very specilaist controller. Daemonbite is for 99.99999 % of people undistinguishable

[silk mauve]

It made a lot more sense before 1ms USB polling was a natural thing on MiSTer.

Right, I don't disagree. But I'm just saying don't discredit the options.

[stiff patrol]

well its an option that leads to pain and fragmentation

[silk mauve]

It's not for you, but others like what it has to offer. Doesn't have to make sense

[stiff patrol]

it would be good to see it vanish forever

[silk mauve]

🙄

[stiff patrol]

Help has had many people with issues with it

and its never announced until alot of time has been put into trying to solve the issue

as such I want it dead and gone

[dense vale]

sooooo anyway

I talked to ulao, he said it's a known issue and Ricardo of ultimatemister is talking to the developer about it.

[burnt matrix]

ulala?

[dense vale]

ooh lala

i interviewed the guy one time. i think he said it was pronounced, "OO-lee-oh

like Coolio, but...oooooo

oooolio

yeah i think i'm gonna go ahead and get a snax adapter. famicom 3d glasses, saturn controller, n64 mic, and psx rumble. i don't think BlisSTer has any of those.

well, forked cores that support them anyway

[dense vale]

so, Ricardo says Saturn controller through the blisster hdmi port works on his end.

[silk mauve]

Too advanced for this chat

[dense vale]

Ladle ladle ladle lee

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-genesis-sega-zaxxon-nintendo-game-console-sega-video-game-gif-20535098

[severe panther]

I have a M30 2.4ghz (the one with sega-plug), connected to a blisster with one of those cables with HDMI-plug. It seems to have connected since d-pad and some of the buttons works, except Z and R. Anyeone who have similar issue?

[rich violet]

I think the "sega-plug" is meant for the Mega Drive, which has fewer buttons than the Saturn, so, I doubt you'll get all the buttons working separately using it. You probably need the USB receiver.

[ancient fractal]

Yeah, using the DE9 receiver it can only be used in 3 and 6 button modes (switch by holding some button for some number of seconds). All buttons are only available in wired USB mode.

[wooden cosmos]

I'm using the HiSaturn bios (tried different versions). Everytime I start a game from cold boot, I get a message asking to clear all system memory files using Sega Saturn's memory manager..

If I do it, the game boots. But after cold boot of the mister, the error appears again

[mortal mist]

do you have the games in separate folders ?

[wooden cosmos]

@mortal mist yes

[mortal mist]

try deleting the saturn.cfg file

config/saturn.cfg

I have never encountered such a problem and I have checked all bios versions

[wooden cosmos]

Alright, done

reboot I guess?

[mortal mist]

yes

[wooden cosmos]

I know get an error saying that the disc is unsuitable in one case. In another, I get the same error about the system memory

[mortal mist]

you need to set the region for the game

[wooden cosmos]

DRAm 4m?

as well?

[polar geode]

A region free BIOS would be helpful perhaps

[mortal mist]

additional memory is used for some games only

[wooden cosmos]

HiSaturn is supposed to be region free, no?

What bios do you recommend? I get the same error

"The System Memory is not ready for use.

Please clear alll files using Sega Saturn's Memory Manager.

Please enter the System Settings screen by pressing START button."

[polar geode]

I can send you my BIOS at least

[mortal mist]

Is this the case with every game?

[polar geode]

DMed it over

[wooden cosmos]

Don't have many. But yes. Different splash screen depending on game

[wooden cosmos]

to me?

[polar geode]

Yes

[serene thunder]

batty's back - and sassier than before?

[wooden cosmos]

Damn. Still no luck guys ;_;

[polar geode]

I never left really, but sometimes I just dont post in the high traffic channels

[wooden cosmos]

Do you guys also have Load Backup RAM, Save Backup ram, Autosave greyed out?

[mortal mist]

in the menu without the game loaded, yes, it is greyed out

[wooden cosmos]

https://github.com/danieldoyle/Main_MiSTer/releases/tag/unstable-builds

This branch fixed it!

Thanks to Danieldoyle

Ok... Next issue I guess. Does this core still have audio issues? In that it sometimes works, sometimes it breaks up?

[mortal mist]

what version of sdram do you have? and what game?

[wooden cosmos]

Dragoon Zwei.. 2.1 iirc?

[mortal mist]

music works ok in Panzer Dragoon II

do you have such a sdram ?

if you have version 2.4/2.5 you may have problems with music, it works ok with version 2.9/3.0

at least for the time being

[pearl harbor]

The Saturn core is the most organic digital thing to ever exist.

[drifting frigate]

We are borg. We assimilate 32X to add to our own uniqueness.

[pearl harbor]

I will separate from the collective to assimilate the superior R•E•A•L 3DO Interactive Multiplayer. 🤖

[mortal mist]

Neptune

[serene thunder]

Would have been cool
But only if you could play 32X CD games

[serene thunder]

Yeah, no pressure
Robby's disappearance put the fear into us

[polar geode]

Even Saint Bobert needs a break sometimes

[serene thunder]

Yeah, we don't want razzing to turn into rage-quitting

https://tenor.com/view/rage-ragequit-punchcomputer-agar-agario-gif-23509069

[kindred peak]

The MiSTer side streets are more fun. 🙂

[burnt matrix]

SEGA SATURN IS LIFE

[polar geode]

😏 😏

[kindred peak]

You misspelled Vita, bobbertson.

[polar geode]

🤢 🤢

[kindred peak]

Get or get out.

[ancient surge]

Nintendo 64 doesn't have OutRun.

PlayStation doesn't have OutRun.

You know what does? SEGA Saturn.

😎

[kindred peak]

It's true. Sega Saturn had the most cutting edge game of 1986. 😄

[left hollow]

What sonic game is best on saturn?

[kindred peak]

None.

[amber lichen]

Sonic boom

[polar geode]

So Capcom Generations 5.

Got it

[burnt matrix]

lol imagine naming a console after the word life and its dead on arrival

[lusty rapids]

vita had p4g, therefore vita was life

[burnt matrix]

ah shit you’re right, damnit

I bought a PSTV for $30 so I could play p4G

[alpine pagoda]

Nice, wish I could find one for $30 now 😂

[lusty rapids]

vita3k seems to be doing good these days

I need to test it myself, but looks promising

[hearty carbon]

How is the Dragon Force port on N64? Oh...

[pearl harbor]

I've got one here with your name on it!.....for $3,000,000.

For the record, it's only worth $3M because of your autograph that is mysteriously on it.

[alpine pagoda]

You need to call the tabloid ghost hunter types to collect on that then, I’m not the pot of gold you need 😂

[serene thunder]

Sadly, that Capcom Gen release of Super Turbo has slowdown IIRC

[polar geode]

Hyper fighting, slowdown? Bleh

[serene thunder]

Woops, I mean this one

[polar geode]

Ohh

I had that on PSX

Good old Alpha 2 Gold, with Xmen vs Street Fighter Cammy lol

[next bronze]

N64 and PSX do have Ridge Racer, though. But they don't have Sega Rally Championship or Manx TT (passing the checkpoint!)

[next bronze]

You just mentioned a game that's better on Saturn. X-Men vs Street Fighter! Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter is excellent on Saturn too!

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-kermit-uh-huh-gif-19083131

[static wraith]

I am trying to play Policenauts (English patched version). During game play on disc 1, I am eventually asked to insert disk 2. I try to insert disc 2 by using the “Insert Disk *.cue , cud” from the core menu. Once I do this the core appears to automatically reboot. Is there away to stop the core from automatically rebooting temporarily for multi-misc games?

[mortal mist]

Therefore, all games should be in separate folders. Having a multidisc game in one folder, the system will not do a reset.

#1046941029296779344 message

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/3_ZKQTebD6o?si=g1hd0ZczVUUDUhub

[burnt matrix]

I play all my fighting games on PS1 because I’m tough enough to handle it.

[polar geode]

Tuff e nuff was on SNES you boob!

https://tenor.com/view/anime-manga-japanese-anime-japanese-manga-toradora-gif-5373994

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dramatic-cry-will-ferrell-gif-19823586

so much aggression

I am trying to complete Tomb Raider on saturn core , but it is a challenge 😛

[burnt matrix]

Don’t worry, it’s a challenge for the Saturn too

https://tenor.com/view/hue-huehue-huehuehue-duck-laugh-gif-4916860

[mortal mist]

there is a very annoying bug , when you swim underwater in the later stages it is not advised to have headphones on your ears

• slowdowns and gfx glitches

[polar geode]

👏

[burnt matrix]

Quads are pretty cool

[high bramble]

It's fun to go streaking through them.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/clothes-ripping-flexing-anime-body-building-muscles-popping-gif-14489954

[burnt matrix]

I think SEGA didn't make the wrong choice with Quads. It was very early days and the leading technology, 3D rendering, used Quads for cleaner topology which enabled superior surface division and for more accurately representing curved and planar surfaces. So I get that SEGA relied on the expertise of their former hardware partners Lockheed Martin to influence their decision there.

The problem is that none of that was applicable because early 3D gaming didn't subdivide or have the bandwidth for high-poly work. So the Saturn was saddled with a much more inefficient polygonal processing hit with zero benefit.

Such is the risk reward with being bleeding edge tech. There's a chance you'll hit a major decision point and choose the less popular direction.

[polar geode]

tldr

[sacred goblet]

I think saturn was not designed for 3D. Using quads is a tips to do 3D rendering with tools designed for 2D (Sprites).

[burnt matrix]

Their decision behind using Quads wasn't bad, it was rooted in sound advice from the experts in the field. Unfortunately the benefits that Quads provided couldn't manifest in early 3D rendering.

[polar geode]

Its a good thing I stopped reading or I would have noticed that missing t.

... wait

[burnt matrix]

I hit enter early lol

[polar geode]

twss?

[burnt matrix]

what's twss

LOL

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/morticia-tea-eyebrow-raise-gif-7320077

[tidal marsh]

you have the best gifs here

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bow-gif-27425930

[kindred peak]

Nvidia made the same decision with their first card, the NV1. It was a cool wild west time in 3D. 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Honestly, even in my criticisms I can see going for Quads with the expectation that in gen two or three the benefits will really begin to show.

[polar geode]

There was a weird video card with Saturn compatability too IIRC. Like the PCFX and 3DO ones.

[upper dust]

this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jChtlWNIAL4

[polar geode]

Thats it, yeah

[kindred peak]

Yup, NV1. I had that card for a VERY brief moment. Luckily I was able to sell it and move to a Voodoo. 😅

[polar geode]

gasp

SEGA MAN SOLD A SEGA THING

[burnt matrix]

Dude I almost bought the NV1 because it came bundled with Virtua Fighter

I think maybe also Daytona?

[polar geode]

Yeah you were 5 then right?

;)

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[polar geode]

THATS OUR ROBBY

https://tenor.com/view/aww-shrek-lord-farquaad-sign-gif-16422540

[burnt matrix]

Ok you’re right, I asked my dad for it

He said no because it was pricey

I eventually got a TNT2 though like way later

[polar geode]

Your Dad was based.

[burnt matrix]

He laughed when I asked for a Virtual Boy LOL

[polar geode]

Super based

[burnt matrix]

Like he and his manager friend at an electronics straight up mocked me LOL. The manager asked if I wanted to play virtual boy and shone a barcode reader at my face.

I’m like just a kid, what do you want from me LOL

[polar geode]

LMAO

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-kiss-gif-9193635882300784136

[polar geode]

This is so funny

Im dying

[burnt matrix]

🤣 to be fair I did stop asking for it after that

I then asked for the r zone

I had like stupid video games tastes as a kid

Why am I even here lol

I didn’t want a Saturn, I wanted a Virtual Boy.

fml

[hearty carbon]

I'm curious how many people seeking out the original Tomb Raiders actually played them when they were new.

Because... they were kind of dogshit back then.

In my opinion, of course, if you love backflipping and shooting t-rex's then disregard my statement

[burnt matrix]

Tomb Raider 1 was awesome, people genuinely loved it at the time.

TR2 was beloved by all

[polar geode]

I played it new. I thought it was fun, but tank controls were the norm back then

Have they aged poorly? Probably.

Then again I think the precious and sacred Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time have also aged like milk so

[hearty carbon]

I loved Tomb Raider at the time but I was wrong.

I think aged poorly would be a more polite way to put it.

[burnt matrix]

You weren't wrong!

[fresh gale]

Whaaaa! Nobody I talked to had that opinion. Core/Eidos did rinse the series into the ground after 2 though.

[burnt matrix]

your tastes have evolved and changed

[hearty carbon]

I think I went back to them early enough to see how quickly they aged. I do remember playing the hell out of the first one but I just don't get nostalgic for it at all 😦

[fresh gale]

My stupid opinion on tank controls is that they are a more accurate analogue to the difficulty of actual movement within 3 dimensional space than modern controls 😁

[polar geode]

Hah, maybe

[polar geode]

Speak for yourself, you N64 pleb. NES ride or DIE

[pearl harbor]

So many new posts today! Is it a stealth Saturnday!?

[hearty carbon]

I spent all weekend playing Dragon Force because our internet has been shitting the bed.

And Die Hard Trilogy and Bushido Blade

[pearl harbor]

A weekend of Dragon Force is a better weekend than the internet could ever provide!

[fresh gale]

If only it was as easy as holding up on the analogue stick to sit on the toilet in real life!

[hearty carbon]

Managed to find some video settings that made some of the MK games look pretty damn good

Digitized graphics beg for some scanlines, apparently.

[polar geode]

Press~~ x to press respects~~ fill bowl

[hearty carbon]

And I think today I'm going to try out the HDR mode on the new TV

@burnt matrix you're so positive that I'm sorry I dissed Lara Croft's first adventures now.

[polar geode]

Those games ran at an odd resolution

[polar geode]

All I know is that in Duke3D you just pressed the space bar allright

[fresh gale]

and as you get older ya really have to hammer that x button.

[hearty carbon]

Well, I remembered some of the ports looking decent on Saturn and PSX and couldn't square the reality. Fiddling around with some of the video settings I found some setups I really liked for 2 and UMK3

And Dragon Force looks pretty cool with them. Really adds some depth to the sprites.

[polar geode]

400x254, which is.. 4:2, then stretched to 4x3 by the 25" crt in the cabinet

[hearty carbon]

My partner said Dragon Force sounded like I was playing a Dragon Ball game

Which, I kind of feel like a ton of Japanese games from the 90's just sounded like DBZ so that was an accurate statement

[polar geode]

DBZ sounds like shounen

scream, attack name, etc

[hearty carbon]

Just a lending library of laser sounds and attack noises.

[cunning citrus]

I remembered when I asked my dad for a Sega Genesis, the SNES was more expensive, so I made an ultimatum, "buy now the Genesis, if you decide to buy a console for me other day, it will be a SNES". I wanted the Genesis lmao. I got a Genesis that day, with Sonic 2.

[polar geode]

The consoles wars rage on in 2023!

And forever, into 2040s. Rumbles in the parking lot of the retirement homes

[tidal marsh]

those super fx effects were lousy

blast processing wasn't real

[polar geode]

Silpheed looks like ass, try again Sega pleb!

[tidal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/make-me-abe-simpson-paint-my-chicken-coop-simpsons-gif-14002739

[polar geode]

spins walking cane like bo staff

[hearty carbon]

You know, there's a lot of weird stuff on the PSX and Saturn that I had kind of forgotten about. Games that were on SNES, ported to PSX and Saturn with upgraded graphics or soundtracks.

[polar mountain]

Thinking about the sound design of the original Tomb Raider makes me go all tingly

Tingly wingly

[polar geode]

Namco has a neat NES collection with remastered versions on PSX

[polar geode]

You're just thinking about triangle boobs, admit it.

[polar mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/toblerone-be-more-triangle-chocolate-triangle-tobler-gif-26249864

Tomb raider was so quiet wasn't it? Shhhhhhh it's really quiet shh

Shush

[polar geode]

tippety tap running sounds

[hearty carbon]

wrong channel, but Bushido Blade is super weird too. No music. Just feet running around and blades

And lots of grunting and screaming.

[next bronze]

Not just NES games. It has an updated version of the the Genesis Pac Attack too.

[polar geode]

😮

[thorn pagoda]

its really spooky and ambient yeah. something lost in later tomb raiders a bit i think

its also totally different on pc vs consoles

[hot phoenix]

hello!!!

A friend is facing this bug on Street Fighter The Movie on Saturn Core (Don't know why he is playing this shitty game but... whatever XD)

Characters are legless, don't know if it's a bug or a misconfiguration or even if it's affecting other games. Any ideas?

[mortal mist]

it is very possible that it looks like this 🙂

core is not yet finished , there are many issues

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues - bug reports

and yes this game is crap 😛

[hot phoenix]

yeah! Definetly will not make the game better LOL

[sudden tusk]

I don’t mind it .. but than again I love jank ..

[gloomy hedge]

yes

[stiff patrol]

depends on the Memory

2 chip 2.9 or 3.0 many less problems than 2 chip 2.5

4 chip = total disaster

[gloomy hedge]

fighters megamix

[pearl harbor]

Gale Racer

[polar geode]

Technically the first appearance of Sonic

The original anyway

[severe panther]

Sorry for late respone. forgot that i posted here but it sounds like it is something like that 🙂

[burnt matrix]

No please do. That franchise needs to pay for the sins commited by Angel of Darkness on the PS2.

[serene thunder]

Was Tomb Raider 2016 the really impressive one? I played one that was great
That's my knowledge of TR games these days

[next bronze]

aka Rad Mobile. I have seen a cab a couple times a long time ago, but I don't remember if I have played it.

[burnt matrix]

The 2015 one was called Rise of the Tomb Raider and it was pretty cool. I enjoyed it.

I never did play Shadow of the Tomb Raider

[high bramble]

I loved all of the new Tomb Raider games. They were lots of fun.

[hearty carbon]

I didn't play much of them but they seemed like good reboots for a series that sorely needed it

[tidal raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTTKLeHA2DE it's that time of year again

[plush pelican]

are there any turn-based strategy games that are played straight? or are they all heavy on lore and cutscenes?

[hearty carbon]

Which do you mean?

Sounds like my jam.

[plush pelican]

I think Shining Force III is one of those games

[hard mountain]

Nectaris or Famicom Wars are some early titles without much exposition

oh you mean for Saturn

I like Soul Hackers, but its not a "tactical" RPG, its a dungeon crawler with turn-based combat

[lusty rapids]

yeah I don't think Soul Hackers is gonna scratch any tatical rpg itch (is there even an eng patch for it on saturn?)

[hard mountain]

I heard good things about Vandal Hearts

[hearty carbon]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Storm_(1995_video_game)

[mortal mist]

Vandal Hearts is great

[hearty carbon]

I had this one

[hard mountain]

one is being worked on... but not released yet (I played on 3ds)

[lusty rapids]

3ds version is superior in every way to the Saturn ver anyway

[mortal mist]

where is 3do core ? 🙂

we need it

[hearty carbon]

I think the only games I've ever played on an actual 3DO might have been Cannon Fodder and Return Fire

But after thinking Burn Cycle was a 3DO game I don't trust my memory anymore

[hearty carbon]

did y'all ever have a Montgomery Ward with a bunch of console kiosks?

[bitter moth]

How do I download the dual ram core?

[glass aurora]

#unstable-nightlies message

[bitter moth]

Thanks

[plush pelican]

Metal Black is a beautiful SHMUP

what? you've never heard of it? Me neither until dariusburst chronicles which has a DLC mission based around it. glad it's ported on the Saturn.

[polar geode]

Cool game, some if its gameplay elements are in g darius

[plush pelican]

okay, well, now I gotta play that one next :)

[next bronze]

Metal Black is good stuff. I have it on Saturn, Egret II Mini, and Arcade Archives.

[pearl harbor]

I love how Metal Black goes so hard whenever you defeat a boss.

[plush pelican]

at first I thought the core crashed

I was like "damn, the boss died so hard the core couldn't handle it"

[pearl harbor]

The game is just that metal. 🤘

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-blownaway-gif-7186324

Me whenever I defeat a boss in Metal Black.

[plush pelican]

yeah once I got the hang of the bosses dying like this now I just let the wave of explosion consume me!

[serene thunder]

It's always lame when bosses just fizzle out after being defeated in shooters
Not a problem with that game

[serene thunder]

Did Taito people make Strania? IIRC those bosses go nuclear when defeated

Kind of love that game

[next bronze]

yes. G. Rev had former taito staff.

[gloomy hedge]

The best one is into the breach

It's more puzzle tho

But it's still the best

[lusty rapids]

I don't think they ported that one to the Saturn

[burnt matrix]

Please rise for this channel’s anthem

https://youtu.be/Wb7sN7axblc

https://tenor.com/view/aww-oh-no-emotional-hand-over-heart-so-sweet-gif-15174653

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-bandicoot-dancing-dance-dance-off-dance-moves-gif-16383171

https://tenor.com/view/shit-jurassic-part-dr-malcolm-dinosaur-poop-gif-5262492

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/2001-a-space-odyssey-hal-gif-22905370

( )

[gloomy hedge]

negative lol good point

[kindred peak]

@burnt matrix - You not down with Club Saturn? Still a jewel in my CD collection. 😁

https://youtu.be/FJRYcmS5t4k

[burnt matrix]

holy shit, no. THIS IS GREAT

thanks for sharing!

[open swan]

Those are some jams

[burnt matrix]

I love SEGA fans. They're like the keepers of an ancient civilization and are happy to share their knowledge with the world.

[tidal marsh]

we're just european

[hardy lodge]

Don't show those Americans our secret euro handshakes and sega signs. 🤫

[polar geode]

I tried to watch this happen one time. The refresh rate was so slow I just got bored and walked away.

https://tenor.com/view/revenge-of-the-nerds-nerd-gif-26733054

[tidal marsh]

gotta go 50Hz

[hardy lodge]

Way to trigger my pal ptsd, thank you.

[drifting crown]

Pfft at least we had clearly defined colours! With a ‘u’

And rgb scart whilst the colonies had to pretend svideo was any good.

[valid heart]

Got my Christmas lights figured out

[mortal mist]

Saroooooo 🎄

[mortal mist]

@valid heart are you satisfied ? how about compatibility ?

[valid heart]

didn't encounter any issues yet, but also didn't spend too much time with it yet

after having used a fenrir before it's more convenient for sure tho

and not ripping out the cd drive from my beloved saturn feels better for sure

[mortal mist]

I like this solution, it is also not expensive

[valid heart]

yeah, was 84€

friend is working on a 3D printed case

[mortal mist]

nice

[valid heart]

I also replaced the PSU with one of those external 12v ones and I think that causes an unstable image, so that's annoying

[mortal mist]

with PSU I had no problem , I also use such a solution

• fenrir and fram mod

I also did a recap (for mental balance haha)

[valid heart]

yeah well I didn't recap

I don't have a reference how it looked before the PSU tho, so that sucks

[mortal mist]

I hope core will be completed at some point , but it's always good to have real hardware 🙂

[valid heart]

additionally I'm just using the PSU that came with the DreamPSU mod, didn't buy one particularly for the SaturnPSU

[edgy hollow]

so it's been almost a year since I went and bought saturn hardware, any of them known to fail at least on the controllers?

although I do regret not buying that extra cheap saturn 3d pad

but still resisting the urge to buy the keyboard

[ember sky]

How many amps are used by the external 12V power supply? I am a fenrir user and also use a nano PSU and there is no jitter. Saroo requires 84€...

[valid heart]

12v 3A

[wise brook]

chinese picopsu are a borderline scam

and those adapters have horrible current ripple

recap an original psu or get your pico solution from the British guy who made them.

[mortal mist]

Yes , I bought in the UK, works great

[valid heart]

k, can you recommend a good Main EU plug AC adapter?

[tough star]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-gif-18171154

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/saido-chesto-anime-muscle-how-heavy-are-the-dumbbells-you-lift-naruzo-machio-gif-16152893

[wise brook]

this brand

based in Germany

there is another solution regarding usb-c from a company I respect.
haven't had a chance to use myself tho

any more discussion tho I'll move to
#misc-hardware

[valid heart]

Thanks!

[plush pelican]

Disregarding the existing arcade cores, are there any fighters that are pretty much arcade perfect or very playable on the Saturn core?

[edgy hollow]

I remember Toshinden was accurate (compared to PS1, haven't really played the saturn on my saturn much) although at some point the life bars stopped updating

[unkempt oar]

Does Last Bronx work? That's a great port.

[upper dust]

@plush pelican Rabbit, Fighters Megamix, Fighting Vipers, Astra Super Stars, Golden Axe: The Duel, Groove On Fight, Last Bronx, Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Fighter Kids, Virtua Fighter Remix, Asuka 120% - Limit Over, Dead or Alive, Keriotosse! (if you like Power Stone), Mortal Kombat Trilogy

[serene thunder]

Are we listing fighting games? What about Galaxy Fight
Or the true hidden gem, Battle Monsters hehe

[upper dust]

sure - and dollop on some Final Fight Revenge!

[hearty marten]

Last time I played DoA, it had a bit of slowdown. Not sure if that’s just on my setup though

[mortal mist]

Yes there are slowdowns , I recently finished the game with the Lee and it happened in two fights

But overall it plays very well

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sega-saturn-sega-saturn-sega-saturn-logo-earth-gif-3545008708553501614

[polar mountain]

Where does the nuke hit in that gif?

America?

Strangely portentous how they showed the saturn bombing in America.

I stand by my decision to use the word portentous.

[hard mountain]

they expected to blow those Americajin minds

[high bramble]

That was a visual representation of Sega of Japan and Sega of America butting heads.

[high bramble]

That's cold...

[plush pelican]

damn thats a lot of games haha are there any from that list you particularly enjoy a lot?

[twin canyon]

the VERY best saturn game is cotton ofc

[mortal mist]

Cotton it's ok

[edgy hollow]

Question, do any of the controllers struggle with snac? Like ps1 has trouble with some

[burnt matrix]

What controllers have issues with SNAX on PS1? I don’t think I ran into any problems.

With SNAX Saturn the only issues I’ve had is plugging in the controller all the way into the adapter. Needs to be pulled out slightly.

[edgy hollow]

tambourine, vpick and tact

tambourine has less range - works great it only if you're short
vpick and tact are much less sensitive that it makes gameplay annoying

theory is that they use the 7.5v pin, which only gets 5v on snac

[burnt matrix]

thank you for explaining it

[pearl harbor]

The only Saturn controllers I've tried on SNAC so far are the 3D controller and the standard japanese style controller. Both had no issues.

[burnt matrix]

I've used the following and had zero issues:

• Standard controller (US)
• 3D Control Pad (US)
• Arcade Racer (US)
• Mission Stick (US)
• Standard controller (Japanese)
• Cool Pad controller (Japanese)
• Twin Stick (Japanese)

I have the Virtua Gun too but no analog board to hook my MiSTer up to a CRT

[noble escarp]

Genesis/MD multitap, mouse, 3 and 6 button controller also works via snac.

[edgy hollow]

gun doesn't work yet. Like it's always detected as off screen

[burnt matrix]

damn, well I don't feel so bad now

[edgy hollow]

it was the first thing I tried on when I got the snac

and i was like awww, then checked comments here

although I'm curious if it will work if the ps1/saturn gun was used since it has composite input

Wonder if this will work on saturn core because it has composite input

[burnt matrix]

sorry, no discussion on buying/selling firearms is allowed

u criminal

[edgy hollow]

It's like $7

Lol

[burnt matrix]

oh wow that's awesome

[edgy hollow]

Universal ps1/saturn

[burnt matrix]

damnit, why did I talk to you

now I'm looking up foot pedals on eBay

you're literally like behind most of my accessory purchases

[edgy hollow]

Lol at this point i stopped buying accessories

Foot pedal for time crisis?

I really should try out that large button thingy for kids for it

[burnt matrix]

Yeah because the image you linked is the Panther light gun and it came with a foot pedal

[edgy hollow]

This one is scorpion

Oh wait, it has a foot pedal slot

[burnt matrix]

maybe the panther is like a generic rebrand name

[noble escarp]

The composite input is only used on ps1 o act like a guncon

[edgy hollow]

Aww thought it can bypass whatever is causing it to be offs creen

[untold lintel]

@burnt matrix you can get a $10 usb pedal to work with mister

[untold lintel]

It’s simply not been implemented yet

I have one of these but it doesn’t actually work with guncons. It converts justifiers to guncon mode

[mortal mist]

Tomb Raider is completable on the core

[sick python]

This is the $10 pedal?

[untold lintel]

https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-iKKEGOL-Footswitch-Computer-Keyboard/dp/B08MC456TC/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=65SLLORY4VYP&keywords=usb+pedal&qid=1702817160&sprefix=usb+pedal%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-3

It’s also super easy to make a real TC pedal work on mister if you wanna be insane like me

[burnt matrix]

@untold lintel is a true hero!

[ancient surge]

https://vxtwitter.com/bowloflentils/status/1736477339310027139?s=20

[wise brook]

was just about to post this too!

[violet wolf]

I was actually thinking about a solution like that for the games where you take cover, like pressing space on the keyboard with my toe 🤔

The pedal isn't just something you can add right, it is with a specific model?

[untold lintel]

That one is, but look 2 posts down at the USB pedal. Mister can read that as controller 2 and just map it to “X” for crouch on time crisis

[violet wolf]

Oho I see, yea the button on the gun was killing me

Was it like that in the arcade? Covering with a button?

[untold lintel]

Look 2 more posts down, arcade used the giant metal red pedal

[violet wolf]

Lol always 2 posts down, damn I don't remember, I'll feel out the big toe on space button first tbh

Looks way cooler than a dinky usb pedal tho

Or I guess it still could be usb in this case, just the metal plate is a better look, very arcade

[untold lintel]

yeah i put an extra USB encoder in it. That's an actual arcade pedal basically wired up as a gigantic 'X' button

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sakura-wars-sakura-taisen-sega-saturn-sakura-sakura-shinguji-gif-27294025

[edgy hollow]

so how's xmas nights for those planning to play it on 24/25

[willow siren]

No RTC yet

[pearl harbor]

Right Train Central?

[next bronze]

At least the Puzzle Bobble 2x Xmas splash can be toggled from the option menu.

[wary hollow]

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but I did not find it in the FAQs: Is there a way for the core to "auto-load" the BIOS? I currently have to select and run the BIOS file every time I launch the core

[mortal mist]

yes, your bios should be named boot.rom

then it will automatically load on startup

[wary hollow]

great, thank you @mortal mist!

[violet wolf]

I have the hi-saturn bios for region reasons but it frankly looks pretty ugly

Can you get the same regionless thing with a more classic boot up screen?

[tall radish]

There is a region free WW bios

[violet wolf]

I'll search for it

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-nod-yes-gif-5612081

[vocal stirrup]

Is 23.10.18 the latest Saturn core at the moment?

[pearl harbor]

I believe so. Whatever update all installed is the latest. It's been awhile.

[mortal mist]

srg320 made the last changes on October 4

It's been a while

[hearty marten]

Maybe the next one will be a big one 🤞🏻

[thorn pagoda]

has he been posting on twitter or anything? seems a while since we've heard from him

[mortal mist]

last activity on github Nov. 30, accepted change for core

Other than that, I haven't seen anything else

[untold zephyr]

Hope he is alright, is he still in Ukraine?

[edgy hollow]

So was looking at the amiga floppy for mister and it had like a lot of pins that were needed. There was a design where an Arduino handled the other pins.

Wonder how feasible it is for saturn to use something like that for 2 player port support (with probably some latency)

although probably just using a daemon byte for the 2nd port might be easier as long as you don't use 3d pads

[edgy hollow]

Anyone try out:
https://github.com/sonik-br/SaturnMultiUSB
Thinking of making it since it seems to be compatible with most stuff and have the snac

[noble escarp]

Use the RetroZord one, it's updated and have way less input latency

[bronze orbit]

Hey all, is there a region-free BIOS? Or do you have to manually change the regions each time you load a game from a different region?

[edgy hollow]

yes there's a region free bios

iirc, it was annoying to find

[next bronze]

If you use the region free bios with Dynamite Deka in USA mode, you get English prompts and no subtitles for dialog (which is already in English)

I was a bit confused since I have US and JP Saturns and at first assumed that you just needed to set the language to English. Nope, you have to bypass region on a US Saturn (which I do with an Action Replay 4m Plus)

[sudden tusk]

What up playass! Holla holla!

I keep forgetting to mention that if you want the best sound out of panzer dragoon with the current core you have to go into options and change the sound balance setting to bgm

Thank you and goodnight

https://tenor.com/view/hypnotoad-futurama-toad-gif-12116346

[sudden tusk]

This core looks amazing on a pvm can’t wait till it’s done!

[vocal stirrup]

Sure does! I was so happy with the recent update that mostly fixed the alignment issues, loving me some Saturn Bomberman

[burnt matrix]

Bomberman isn’t good

[vocal stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/white-chicks-marcus-kevin-fight-queendugif-gif-13642629

[burnt matrix]

It’s awesome!!

[vocal stirrup]

#calledit

😄

[burnt matrix]

who can hate Bomberman fr fr

Shits just goofy fun

[vocal stirrup]

definitely rewards you for surviving too!

[sudden tusk]

It’s a great time to be alive dudes

[hearty carbon]

I was legitimately thinking this the other day as I was trying to figure out how to move memory card files between my pc, mister and steam deck

"wow, this is great... the apocalypse must be coming. Or WW3."

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mallrats-jay-silent-bob-wolverine-gif-22606549

[vocal stirrup]

you come up with a solid tutorial and i'd love to check it out. i dont have a use for it yet but.. someday it's gonna be a thing

[vocal stirrup]

Sure is! This is definitely my favorite project to come around in ages

[sudden tusk]

lol I’m tripping

[steel cradle]

Hey everybody, I literally just got my MiSTer FPGA today and I'm having trouble getting the latest unstable nightly build of the saturn core to boot the HiSaturn BIOS I'm using. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot?

[vocal stirrup]

Whats it doing or not doing?

[steel cradle]

When I try to run boot.bin I just get a black screen

[vocal stirrup]

check your core "date" on load menu. please post what date it shows there

[hearty carbon]

Honestly, I was tripped up by getting configurations saved on an arcade core yesterday for like 2 hours. I'm not sure anyone wants my solutions if I do figure them out. 😄

[vocal stirrup]

whoa okay. i was trying to track down the latest version earlier, mine is 23.10.18 which came from the update_all script. judging from the lack of cores on that menu i'd run the update_all which should pull down what youre missing. odds are yours needs a newer version of the MiSTer core to run properly.

all that being said, you shouldnt have to "load" the boot.bin. It just needs to be in the correct location, then you can load the .bin/cue files. Think of them as a disc and once inserted, you should sometimes have to hit the menu button on the mister and choose reset to have it load the disc

[steel cradle]

Okay sounds good, I'll give the update script a whirl and see how that works. Thanks for your help!

[vocal stirrup]

welcome, good luck!

[steel cradle]

Ok, so I ran the update script and everything should be completely up to date now, Im on the same build as you now but I still have the same issue. Could it be the bios I’m using?

[bronze orbit]

Thanks mate, can you or anybody else remember the name of the region free BIOS?

[burnt matrix]

It’s in the pins I think

I don’t know how to see pins on mobile lol

[lusty rapids]

'region free hi-saturn' bios

[bronze orbit]

Okay! I think I've found one that may be region-free. But I'll also see if I can find the pinned posts.

[steel cradle]

You need 128Mb of SDRAM for the Saturn core right?

[mortal mist]

yes

and you should use boot.rom not boot.bin , then the bios loads automatically on startup

[steel cradle]

Thank you!

[vagrant saffron]

Hi guys, I haven’t looked at Saturn in a long time, what is the latest version with Snac support and are light guns supported yet?

[pearl harbor]

No lightgun support yet unfortunately.

The latest SNAC build is in the pinned comments.

[clear condor]

I think there's support for lightgun shooting - just not for aiming

[wise brook]

even over snac?
or are you referring to the wiimote/gun4ir/guncon2 over usb method

[mortal mist]

correct , even by snac

From what I remember something is missing in the core for gun support

[clear condor]

The Virtua Gun/Stunner works just by sending a little pulse when the gun sight "sees" the CRT beam. The Saturn then checks the timing of that pulse against the current position of the pixel being drawn, and gets the gun coordinates that way.

So the gun (over SNAC) is sending that pulse, but the Saturn isn't doing anything with it yet

trivia: this is unlike the GunCon, which does all the position calculation inside the gun hardware. That's why the GunCon needs that video cable - it's getting video sync timing info to compare against. TMYK

[violet wolf]

What abou non-snac stuff? The guncon2 I've used with usb on snes/ps1/sega cd worked well enough, will that be possible with this core?

[clear condor]

So basically what has to happen is your guncon2 aim location needs to be turned into a simulated pulse, and then that pulse needs to be turned by the Saturn hardware back into coordinates

[violet wolf]

It has the sync signal going to it, I think, that yellow cable, is that enough in this case?

I had no idea they had different solutions for aiming on a crt, I'd probably guess they did the same thing

[inner token]

They'll both rely on the same mechanism in the core that's not implemented yet. Once it is either could work.

[violet wolf]

I see

Is there a big latency penalty for doing non-snac lightgun stuff? Does it differ from core to core?

[clear condor]

Maybe about a frame. I'd be more worried about the latency in your non-SNAC gun

the GC2 adds some latency and can have tracking issues as a result; lower-spec IR stuff like the Aimtrak and the Wiimote can be kind of laggy

[violet wolf]

But I can't snac it up right? The nes needs the zapper and the snes needs the bazooka or whatever

I consulted guys here and they recommended the gc2 for overall compatability, I need to turn brightness up for stability but I think it's pretty good

[pearl harbor]

I personally still find that the Guncon 3 is a great option for compatibility on modern displays at least. Works great for me.

[violet wolf]

Don't have a modern display, only laptop, isn't it a bit like a wiimote?

[tough star]

any word from srg320 lately?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[burnt matrix]

The fire still burns strong for

🔥 🔥

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/segata-sanshiro-karate-taekwando-gif-4880719

[mortal mist]

https://youtu.be/3Dpif6GBAv4?si=dtR5-R4iY_qJfJFi

Merry Christmas 🎄

[sudden tusk]

The rondo machine ..

Woops wrong chat

[mortal mist]

Perfect 🫶

[serene thunder]

Looks like hospital tech, but I wouldn't mind having one

[upper dust]

legit fate of the Atari Jaguar

[serene thunder]

But does it have the CD add-on

[upper dust]

"Great for instructional videos, or soothing music during use! Note - due to faulty toilet design it may never work!"

[drifting frigate]

"DO THE MATH!" - My dentist as I'm screaming

[hardy lodge]

Imagine you're in the hospital and they roll in the pc engine.

[zealous karma]

I´ve been doing N64 for a few months now and came back to Saturn. Is there something you have to do to get rid of the "no CD bios" message when loading a game?Also would it fix FMVs from crashing?

[ancient surge]

"No CD BIOS" is just a false flag with the core. If you can load the BIOS and play games, then there isn't an issue and you can ignore it.

[viscid escarp]

what bios would you guys recommend?

[zealous karma]

according to pinned message:
The recommended bios is the region-free Hi-Saturn. DO NOT ask about it, DO NOT ask for it, and DO NOT ask where to get.

[viscid escarp]

sorry but also thank you 🙂

[mortal mist]

Use boot.rom

Problem solved 🙂

[zealous karma]

I do

[mortal mist]

With boot.rom this info does not display

[zealous karma]

Well it does for me

oh, you think my rom file is named different?

let me check

[mortal mist]

Are you sure you are using boot.rom? Not boot.bin?

Boot.rom automatically loads the bios

[zealous karma]

I know I changed from one to the other at one point, but its been a while. Did it change back?

[mortal mist]

Yes , boot.rom work works fine

This has been fixed

[zealous karma]

yes, its boot.bin

Thanks @mortal mist 👍

[mortal mist]

No prob 🍻

[pearl harbor]

It's been awhile since our old friend boot.bin graced us. It was an unforgettable summer of boot.bin! 🥹

[viscid escarp]

i've seen people playing sega rally on this core but i have problems getting it to start

is dual ram required for that game?

[pearl harbor]

It should work if you have 2.9 or 3.0 ram.

No, only single ram.

Dual ram isn't required for anything right now on Saturn.

[viscid escarp]

i do have the 3.0 ram

[pearl harbor]

Maybe try a different sourse for the rom?

Well CD, not rom.

[viscid escarp]

i have tried multiple versions though

[pearl harbor]

Just keep in mind that Saturn has always been pretty organic on MiSTer, so it's entirely possible that you're just unlucky with the game.

Sega Rally has worked for me personally for more than a year on the core.

[viscid escarp]

yeah and from what i've seen on youtube it should be working

[pearl harbor]

What bios are you using?

[viscid escarp]

the hi-saturn region free one

[pearl harbor]

If it's not region free, are you using the correct region in the OSD for the version of the game you're running?

Try manually changing the region anyway and see if that makes a difference.

[burnt matrix]

I have a Saturn question

[viscid escarp]

i did just do that actually but no luck 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Why is the Saturn so good?

[pearl harbor]

Because Sega does Robbydon't.

[kindred peak]

Because it's not the N64.

[violet wolf]

Why yes, it is the sixth planet from the sun 😏🪐

[pearl harbor]

Honestly, I think I'm out of suggestions. Hopefully someone else can help!

[viscid escarp]

honestly saturn is the best name for both planet and console

[viscid escarp]

thank you, i'll keep trying

@pearl harbor are you using version 1.03 of the bios?

[pearl harbor]

I'm using a hacked North American bios that is region free. Not sure the version off the top of my head.

[gloomy hedge]

to be honest it starts for me and then the sound cuts off so not sure if you'd want to play without sound anyways

[gloomy hedge]

also make sure you get a redump and check your cue / bin files for a match

[viscid escarp]

maybe not but i'd still like to get it working 🙂

[mortal mist]

Other games work ok?

[gloomy hedge]

yeah I am curious if your saturn core is working otherwise, I would test something like Darius Gaiden or Metal Black

those seem to work perfectly on most misters

[mortal mist]

Even if someone has ram 2.4, 2.5 the game should run , the problem will be with the music

With ram 2.9/3.0 there should be no problem , unless the ram is damaged or running slow

Saturn's core needs high bandwidth

[viscid escarp]

yeah several other games work fine

[mortal mist]

At what point does the game stop working ?

[viscid escarp]

after the sega logo

[mortal mist]

Do you have a verified image of the game ( redump)?

[viscid escarp]

no but i'll try that tomorrow 🙂

thanks for the help

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nights-christmas-nights-nights-saturn-nights-sega-gif-27106107

Merry Christmas Saturn fans

[burnt matrix]

https://www.x.com/catsuka/status/1738545366490898467

[ripe valley]

https://vxtwitter.com/memory_fallen/status/1738923117676802552

[burnt matrix]

lol that sounds on-brand for SEGA. Release sequel to game, hide original game in sequel, don’t tell anyone about it.

[pearl harbor]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/12/homebrew-dev-gets-final-fantasy-vii-running-on-sega-saturn

Another reason why Saturn is better than N64!

[gloomy hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-james-quest64-yellow-balls-bouncing-gif-26328404

[slate coyote]

Are there any pinned posts on how to get the core running?
I see I already have Saturn_20231018.rbf on my mister, but do I need anything else since im running single sdram?

[mortal mist]

Bios named boot.rom in games/saturn folder, games in bin/cue or chd format

#1046941029296779344 message

All games should be in separate folders

[serene thunder]

I started the translated Policenauts last night

[hallow fossil]

Anyone planning on trying Christmas Nights and seeing if the Christmas Day snow animation plays tomorrow?

[mortal mist]

Clock not working in core

[hallow fossil]

Ah I thought it had RTC

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately, it does not keep time 🙂

[subtle tusk]

You can set the time when you boot up Christmas NiGHTs though

Or does that not even work

[mortal mist]

it doesn't work , the time always goes back to the date 2022.01.00 time 00:00.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/40

after setting the time and exiting the menu, the time resets immediately

[burnt matrix]

Quest 64 > Final Fantasy VII

[trim nimbus]

At least 57 better

[burnt matrix]

that was going to be my joke, it's a bigger number lol

[thin radish]

Using vga crt and I'm having this issue doesn't take up full screen all other cores look fine is there any setting I can change to make it fit screen?

[slate coyote]

Isn't the bios boot.bin according to the yt video?

[subtle tusk]

Nobody has released the MGS or FF7 running on Saturn hacks, right?

[left hollow]

Doesn't appear so

[mortal mist]

No , It's already out of date , use boot.rom, then the bios loads automatically

[left hollow]

Mgs1 apparently isn't finished and ff7 just seems to be a demo anyways

Still impressive

[mortal mist]

We were using boot.bin when there was a problem with Mister crashing when using boot.rom , this was fixed over two months ago, or three

[mortal mist]

Videos made from cores that are in active development often quickly become outdated

[burnt matrix]

Check video settings

[mortal mist]

I assume that custom settings are used

Looks like here #1046941029296779344 message

[thin radish]

@burnt matrix core or ini settings?

[burnt matrix]

Core. Check Audio & Video, then toggle the Aspect Ratio and 320x224 settings to see if that happens.

[slate coyote]

I see, thanks!

[waxen vortex]

Hi, Where does the Saturn Back-up RAM Save file go to?

Want to make sure I don't somehow lose it again.

[strong zephyr]

Anyone recently played the streetfighter alpha games? I tried sfa1 (usa) sfa2 dash and sfa3 and all would get stuck during loading? Wonder if it might have to do with the unstable mister used for n64? Running some update and rechecking. chd's work on emu and ftp should be set up fine, but will delete and re upload a working game to be sure.

Oh and i do have older memory 2.4 or 2.5, having the same sound issues with sega rally that Aktane mentioned

[mortal mist]

Sfa3 works fine here

Mister v231215

[strong zephyr]

Thanks for checking. So update all didn't help. bin and cue also same issue (well for sfa3). tried a working game (battle garegga) removed it and re-added via ftp and still works so don't think it is an corruption issue during transport. Kof 96 did work. Oh well my ' real' saturn not sold so should be able to play the alpha games there while this core get the kinks worked out. Or indeed will have to upgrade the memory to newer as that def seems to help most here.

[pearl harbor]

I only have SFZ3 on my MiSTer's Saturn core, and it still works fine on my end.

[untold zephyr]

I have SFZ1, 2 & 3. All seem to be working 100% here

[kind bough]

/saves/saturn

[balmy prawn]

alright folks, give me your personal recommendations for Saturn games to check out and play.
No pre-requisites for genres, I'm open to trying stuff out. It just needs to be easy enough to figure out if it's not in English otherwise needs to be English.

Also NTSC.

Please do a ping/reply to me so I know you said something and can come back to check.

[pearl harbor]

Dragon Force!

[upper dust]

Panzer Dragoon II Zwei

[serene thunder]

Taromaru
Radiant Silvergun
Layer Section
Darius Gaiden
Decathlete
Time Bokan Series: Bokan to Ippatsu! Doronbo
Beyond Oasis
Elevator Action Returns

[quaint dove]

Elevator Actuon Returns.