Sega Saturn

[mortal mist]

sorry

No-Intro & HTGDB are the only verified romsets

[burnt matrix]

I think that’s correct

Like I’m sure anything works but if there are problems then stick to those because people here have used it without issue

People get really particular about romsets. Like I don’t care in the slightest. Whatever works, is great. Right?

[wise brook]

I buy and rip all my games like a good citizen consoomer

[burnt matrix]

Honestly, that’s probably the best. Unless you’ve got a borked disc.

[wise brook]

I told one of my zoomer friends about disc rot

he was surprised

went back home on spring break

and tagged me with this

[mortal mist]

ok but I don't see a no-intro that contains redump , there is only one that has NON REDUMP

that concerns me more than just recommending them

but maybe I can't find , there was no topic 🙂

[thorn pagoda]

nointro = cartridges
redump = discs

[mortal mist]

thanks for the explanation 🙂

That's why I didn't want it to recommend something that doesn't exist

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, good looking out!

[wise brook]

FOUMD IT

[kind quarry]

that’s some disc rot

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/EkL2o_cx2ZM

Saturn halloween special lol

[sudden tusk]

Dem discs look legit moldy

[naive whale]

go watch...cause its gonna FAIL HARD

[naive whale]

tiny bit of disc rot lol

[sudden tusk]

I gotta drop off the kiddos at school gonna have to finish the vid later

Did leave a comment though

[naive whale]

haha I dunno why I make these things. Sure its Saturn and its on MiSTer but these are Marked for Death

[burnt matrix]

I just wrapped all that up! All the kids are off to school.

[native dagger]

Hey I just played some of that!

[frigid salmon]

Don't know if this is the place to post it, but just played through Batsugun on the update-all core and seems to be working perfectly.

[wise brook]

if it's on Saturn it's welcome discussion here

what kinda MiSTer setup you running?

[frigid salmon]

I think it's dual ram. I bought it from mister addons back in 2021. Am I right in thinking the update_all version is the single ram only version?

[mortal mist]

Yes , single

#1046941029296779344 message

Here is dualsdram

[naive whale]

It’s a weird classic

[sudden tusk]

I just got back lol

[burnt matrix]

Kids are at school, dads are at home. It’s Saturn time!

[sudden tusk]

And all is right in the world!

[old pasture]

This dad is at work ☹️

[old pasture]

Great film

[ripe sonnet]

Yeah the core is set to auto save and the discs are all in the same folder. Interesting thing is that I played like 10 minutes and made a new save on disc 1 and that new save is available after a power cycle, but, that new save is NOT in the saves folder with my original saves. I looked through all the folders and cannot figure out where it's saving now.
I am wiping the SD card and setting up a brand new image. Hopefully I should be able to load my original sav files.

[twin canyon]

i wonder... does update all download a proper bios now? it didn't at first

[frail token]

I don't think so yet

[unkempt oar]

I had to search for it

[harsh nacelle]

Hello all, first time here. Video Game Esoterica sent me this way. Looking for the single ram file for Mister Saturn. Am I in the right place?

[celest iris]

yes, and no

@harsh nacelle it's part of official mister now, so an update should grab it for you

[pearl harbor]

Welcome!

You can also find the latest unstable version of the Saturn core in the unstable-nightlies thread. #unstable-nightlies message

[thin swan]

@kind stump hi can you please update the YC core for the latest Saturn version when you have a chance thank you!!

[kind stump]

No need, the standard version works now 🙂

Just run update all

[misty raven]

New 3.0 ram from misteraddons fixed the audio in a TON of games for me. Still getting audio popping at the start of audio tracks, I’m guessing that’s normal for the core atm?

[sharp drum]

Yeah, I had the same improvements going from a v2.5 to a v3.0 ram module. I’m fairly sure that the popping is normal, as is the volume being too quiet.

[wise brook]

popping is a current issue for the core yes.

it's funny hearing it, as I've played Sakura Wars a lot on original hardware so I know when a track change is coming and when to expect the drum like sound

don't worry

that cores gonna make it

don't know if another year or so is needed but it's so close to complete it's just about dialing in the timings

[thin swan]

Thank you!!!

[olive eagle]

It always asks on mine as well, but the RTC is OK, I can turn it on and it shows the correct time just fine, even if it's disconnected from the network.

Just out of curiosity... how? Are you using an external scan doubler?

For YPbPr you also need composite_sync=1

[alpine pagoda]

I don’t think that’s true, I’ve never been able to see any difference either way

[olive eagle]

Looks like you're right and I was wrong. Why the hell I thought it was necessary?

I just changed my ini file from composite_sync=1 to composite_sync=0, saved, synced, rebooted and... ypbpr still works like a charm.

[alpine pagoda]

Yeah I don’t know where it started, but it’s definitely not the first time I’ve heard it. Maybe it’s a scart or rgb thing.

[olive eagle]

Just looked at the documentation again, it seems like composite_sync is only necessary for SCART and HDMI Direct Video.

Oh, and PVM/BVM with RGBS

[alpine pagoda]

Cool, thanks, that’s good to know

[olive eagle]

Composite and Y/C is native now? Oh man, I'm completely out of touch. I'm still using a converter board for RGBHV->Y/C+composite using an AD724 chip.

[olive eagle]

Also learned something new: setting vga_sog=0 or vga_sog=1 for each ini file lets me not worry about setting the SoG switch manually, I can just leave it on auto and I don't have to worry about pink tint when going back to RGB.

Or when going from RGB to YPbPr? Damn, my brain turned into mush, gotta sleep.

[twin canyon]

i just use hdmi

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-strut-walk-fashion-hair-flip-gif-16710572

[quick sorrel]

JLo?

[scenic snow]

I just started using the saturn core. I managed to save to backup RAM in shining force 3. But then when I start Sim City 2000 It complains I don't have enough free space. Setting cartridge to 2M ROM doesn't seem to help. Is there any documentation regarding the Saturn core I am missing?

I also couldn't get the 2M ROM recognizeable in shining force 3

[scenic snow]

So I guess I am confusing ROM and Backup Save cartridge.

I guess backup save cartridge isn't supported yet, or? and some games needs this? like Sim City 2000

[wise brook]

nah nothing that active, just hdmi to vga, set to 480p. no direct video mode

[kindred peak]

Even on the original hardware, Sim City takes up almost your entire internal memory.

And no save cart functionality on the core yet.*

*but I've not used the core recently

[ancient fractal]

Are your disc images in separate directories? Otherwise perhaps you use the same internal RAM save for both games

(But maybe SimCity requires the save cart? I never played it)

[mortal mist]

"Cities take up a large amount of the Saturn's internal memory, meaning only one can be saved without a Backup Memory cartridge."

[scenic snow]

I have many CHDs in the same folder yes. In saves/saturn I have Shining Force III - Scenario 1 - The Titan of Aspia (USA) [T-En by Shining Force III Translation Project v24] [n].sav

I thought the internal Backup RAM was per game.

Or do I need to have even CHDs in a directory each?

bin/cue I know I need to

[mortal mist]

Games should always be in separate folders

CHD too

[scenic snow]

ok

Is it the same for other CD based consoles on MiSTer?

[burnt matrix]

Yes

[scenic snow]

Aha ok

[burnt matrix]

All disc images must be in their own folder

[scenic snow]

yeah never really played any CD based system seriously on MiSTer

thanks

Guess i need to write script then

[native dagger]

Sorry guys, looks like there are just no games on the saturn

[wise brook]

no games only controllers. like MiSTer owners

[native dagger]

Saturn didn't even have update_all

[wise brook]

what was the fuckin' point I ask

"Panzer Dragoon" some starfox clone. played it on switch for $1.60

[polar geode]

Someone needed to step up their import game in the 90s.

[naive whale]

Does boot.bin loading still work? I had some just ask me on YT and last I tried (six days ago) it was fine

But I know we saw a 10/18 update so

[scenic snow]

jupp, moving all chd to a folder each solves it. Sim City 2000 now works

[clear condor]

I never played Saturn as a kid. If you had one game to convince me that Saturn is worth having, what would you pick?

I went through the Saturn Mega-List but it's too mega now

[drowsy hull]

what type of games do you like?

[native dagger]

The Saturn library begins and ends with Strahl

[wise brook]

I imported a game once.

Nintendo disqualified me from a pokemon tournament for having a US copy of Silver

honestly that about when my life started going downhill

thanks Nintendo official magazine uk

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-aldnoah-aldnoah-zero-pat-gif-17666686

[wise brook]

perhaps Nintendo wanted to give me the most authentic pokemon experience: losing a tournament arc

[polar geode]

Jaelius Ketchum

[burnt matrix]

Great to hear!

[pearl harbor]

Robby helping people!? Classic Robby!

[high bramble]

Robby's gonna Robby.

[sharp mauve]

the 32x is cool. it's cool because you get to make your console physically bigger

[polar geode]

Its like home renovation, for your sega genesis. Who wouldnt want to add a toilet?

[high bramble]

It's like Genesis beefcake mode!

[burnt matrix]

To be fair, optiroc is really the one who identified the issue.

[high bramble]

One of these days, we'll get you to take credit for something... 😉

[pearl harbor]

You'll take my praise and you'll enjoy it!

[echo flume]

This makes it feel less silly to have one file in each folder.

[exotic path]

Most recent official update is 10/4 right? I use GitHub and not the update all script...

[naive whale]

I believe so. I confirmed it worked

Their comment was just confusing me

[scenic snow]

Im Addition to being compressed CHDs is also just one file, so that you can treat them as any other roms. I am also not so fond about this, but now I have chd_to_folder.sh in my games folder so I quickly can organize it

[mortal mist]

the latest is 20231018

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

[scenic snow]

Is anyone aware of any new 3D controller equivalent? Namely with 6 face buttons and analog triggers

Analog stick also of course

[drifting frigate]

Analog triggers aren't currently supported by anything but SNAC. There's a bug on MiSTer Main for it. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/issues/823

So the only way to get analog triggers is currently 3D Pad + SNAC (or any other original controllers with analog triggers/paddles).

That being said, once it's in place, I'm personally interested in the Hori fight pad. Though I've honestly never confirmed if it has analog triggers or not.

[scenic snow]

Ahh thanks for the info

[drifting frigate]

Ah boo. They're buttons.

[scenic snow]

Yeah, I haven't found a single new controller with these features. I mean technically regular 4 face button 2 digital trigger 2 analog triggers match. But it could be inconvinient, if you have to use both triggers on one side simultaneously.

I'd honestly be interested in a 6 face button symmetrically placed. Then with regular digital, and analog triggers. And at least one analog stick + d-pad. So it could cover both saturn and n64.

Without being too awkward.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it's pretty bleak for anything with 6 button. I guess the Brawler 64 ...but that's missing the symmetrical placement and feels 'off' for Saturn games IMO.

[scenic snow]

Hori pad doesn't look good either cause the stick is short throw, the direct opposite needed for n64

There are options for n64 only, but a saturn 3d controller not so much.

[drifting frigate]

The brawler has standard +/-127 throw on the stick. But again, the button placement is definitely made for A/B anc C x 4, not inline ABC/XYZ. So it just doesn't quite jibe.

[scenic snow]

I probably get the brawler 64 though. And keep looking for 3d controller options

[scenic snow]

And the triggers aren't analog right?

[drifting frigate]

Nothing feels as good as the OG 3D pad on saturn, IMO.

I think they are, but let me double check.

[scenic snow]

That's the main thing

Well why would they, n64 doesn't have that

[drifting frigate]

It's made for Switch though.

[scenic snow]

Yeah which also doesn't have analog triggers

[drifting frigate]

Digital

[scenic snow]

Yeah it would be weird for n64 with analog

[drifting frigate]

I mean, not really. Switch marketed controllers (that are universal) have them a lot. Now, one from Nintendo, yeah, that would be weird. But like the Gulikit has analogs and is definitely marketed toward Switch more than anything. But Brawler is definitely more heavily tied, for sure.

We may have to make one as a community at this point, because yeah...it's just bleak.

[green swift]

Might be worth just picking up an actual 3D pad before prices get crazy. You can usually find them $40-$50. There’s a wireless module in development for it too.

[drifting frigate]

BinBok is another 'switch' controller that has analog triggers now, but same old 4 button placement. It's like ''you get one, but not both."

[scenic snow]

I have used one, those analogs were pretty horrible. Hehe, I'd prefer modern analog triggers

[drifting frigate]

They're a little....dry? Springy? Something in that realm of description.

[scenic snow]

But maybe the one I used was in poor shape

[drifting frigate]

Nah, I have a few. You're dead on.

[scenic snow]

Yes very springy

Imo

[green swift]

Retrobit’s 6 button Dreamcast pad is probably the only option coming out that will fill the gap as far as new controllers go.

[scenic snow]

Uhh

[drifting frigate]

They're also very short throw for analog. Not a ton of travel.

But they are far better than NOT having them when the game supports it. I'm looking at you, Sega Rally.

[scenic snow]

That looks pretty decent

Ok so there's some hope

[green swift]

It’s basically a Saturn 3D pad lol

[scenic snow]

Yeah

But that's what we need so perfect

Who cares that it looks like dc one lol

[drifting frigate]

Oooh, I thought that was dead, but it looks like they presented at PRGE this year!

Nice.

[scenic snow]

Great

Thanks for the news

[green swift]

The wireless one has no screen so it’s pretty much a 3D pad

[wise brook]

oh god I just remembered, I have at least 8 3d controllers

I bought a bulk lot of "junk" ones and fixed em up.

[green swift]

I went on a buying spree of Japanese controllers a while back so I snagged a few myself.

Nicotine stained but otherwise immaculate.

[umbral radish]

Has anyone tried using the "favourites script" to add Saturn CHD files to a favourites list yet? Doesn't seem to work for me ... navigate to the folder where the SATURN GAME.chd lives and nothing shows up. Would somebody else also confirm this behaviour please?

[winged wagon]

You can edit favourites.sh to add .chd to the list of files the Saturn core can use.

[umbral radish]

Thanks so much, @winged wagon

[halcyon sorrel]

Do CHD files need to be in directories, or can they be loose in the Saturn folder?

[native dagger]

In directories, one game per folder

[halcyon sorrel]

Thank you!

[topaz cairn]

Where do we get the latest Dual Ram core? The script doesnt seem to work anymore

[odd cobalt]

Not sure if any help, but if you have many chd files in a directory then make a .bat file in the same directory say call organise.bat and paste the below script in it .. save it and run it and it should create a directory for each filename and move the file into that directory

@echo off
for %%i in (*) do (
if not "%%~ni" == "organize" (
md "%%~ni" && move "%%~i" "%%~ni"
)
)

When I say run it I mean double click the bat file

Hope it helps

[primal osprey]

Is SNAC enabled in the core? I have a Dameonbit adapter just fyi

Also I see two Saturn cores in my mister - does anyone else?

[halcyon sorrel]

Thanks a bunch!! I'm on a Mac, so I don't think bat files will work, but I really appreciate the help!

[odd cobalt]

You are very welcome, I have just googled an apple version and it seems to be a lot more complicated and as I don't use mac i am not sure what most of what it says means ... please try and Google this and as you use mac you may be able to make sense of it

automatically create a folder in a files name and place file in there mac

[halcyon sorrel]

Thanks again!!

[midnight parrot]

Hi guys, I have a silly question. I have a dual RAM set up with a digital board and have set the SW3 to ON in the main board. I've tried the dual ram build of the Saturn core but it doesn't load any game for me. It just keeps stuck in a cycle trying to identify the disk format. Does somebody have the dual RAM Saturn build working? Is there a chance that my secondary RAM doesný work? How can I check if it's working? Thanks.

[ancient surge]

Did you put the BIOS in the same folder as the games and named it "boot.rom"?

[midnight parrot]

yeah, I have the latest US bios I think

also I have to manually load the boot.rom bios using the option in the OSD

this is my current set up

it does work with the single RAM version of the core

but no luck in the dual RAM version 😦

IS THERE A WAY TO CHECK IF MY SECONDARY ram IS CORRUP OR FAILING?

whoops, sorry for the caps

[primal osprey]

Is anyone using SNAC on this core?

[ancient surge]

@midnight parrot Did you make sure to flip the switch on the DE-10 NANO to turn on the secondary RAM?

[pearl harbor]

@burnt matrix has.

[midnight parrot]

I'm sure that I did but I'll double check.

[primal osprey]

Odd - don’t. Even see it as an option in the core unless I’m doing something wrong

[pearl harbor]

I think there is a specific SNAC build for it.

[primal osprey]

Oh okay - I’ll look around

Thanks!

[pearl harbor]

#1046941029296779344 message

[scenic snow]

I did write a bash script after i got informed. But thanks!

[midnight parrot]

Ok, here is my set up: The SW03 is ON and the rest are OFF. I have two 128Mb modules v2.9 bought from MiSTer Addons. Chips in both modules are facing inwards.

[ancient surge]

Did you try the RAM test to make sure both of them are working right?

[midnight parrot]

I ran the one that is in the utilities folder, but I'm not sure how to interpret the results, so not sure if they passed or not, what should I look for on that test?

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MemTest_MiSTer

[midnight parrot]

Perfect, I'll give it a shot, thanks 👍

[burnt matrix]

SNAC on this core is awesome. I’ve got the Twin Sticks, Mission Stick, Racing Wheel, 3D Pad, and Cool controller.

[midnight parrot]

Ok, I see what's the possible issue: one of my modules is passing tests only at 80MHz, I assume that's too slow for the Saturn core. the other module is passing tests at 135MHz.

I did a 10 minutest test each.

Fortunately I have a spare v2.0 128Mb memory there and seems that is passing at 148MHz so far. Is it safe if I mix diferent versions RAM modules?

[celest iris]

oof

80 is not good

80 is bad.

[midnight parrot]

Yeah, and I didn't notice untill now, I assume that this is out of warranty as I bought these last year.

[celest iris]

130mhz is the minimum last i checked, aka the highest any core would need

but 80mhz i wouldn't trust, period

[midnight parrot]

Ok, I'll try by putting together the v2.0 and v2.9 modules to see if that works.

[primal osprey]

Thank you!!!

[midnight parrot]

Good news guys, now I can load games in the dual RAM version of the Saturn core, thank you for your help, you're a great community!! 🙂

[pearl harbor]

As I always say, we MiSTer owners don't collect games. We collect controllers! 🤘

[pearl harbor]

No problem! For future reference, it can always be found in the pinned messages. 🍻

[tawny forge]

Course we are! 😌

[pearl harbor]

So I did some research, and found out how the twin stick controller is mapped since it just uses standard Saturn controller buttons for each of its functions. And I was able to map my PS4 controller very easily to mimmick the twin stick controller for games like Bulk Slash.

The twin stick mapping is like this:
Left Stick
Stick is D pad.
Trigger = left shoulder.
Button = right shoulder.

Right Stick
Stick is Left = X / Up = Y / Right = Z / Down = B
Trigger = A
Button = C

So just map the directions for each stick to the PS4 controller's two sticks. Then the trigger and buttons to the PS4 controllers L and R triggers and L and R shoulder buttons.

Works great for Bulk Slash!

[idle temple]

@pearl harbor check out the package I just bought ❤️

Are those sticks supported natively?

[noble escarp]

The Twin Stick will work via snac or any saturn to usb adapter. The device is just a saturn digital pad in a different form factor.

[warm mica]

Are there a lot of games that utilize the analog triggers on a 3D pad?

[pearl harbor]

I know that Sega Rally Championship Plus definitely does. And because the analog triggers aren't supported yet outside of SNAC, you can't accelerate or brake in the game using other analog controllers until that is fixed.

[pearl harbor]

What Sonik said.

[warm mica]

@pearl harbor hmm OK well I don't really care for that game but I do have a 3D pad and eventually when it is in stock I will get a Reflex adapter

[primal osprey]

Looks like the daemonbite adapters aren’t working so well in the snac build. I actually have the reflex adapt - just don’t have any Saturn connectors. Not sure on when there will be a restock of them

Bummer

[idle temple]

I'm looking forward to those new ones from retrobit

[pearl harbor]

Misteraddons mentioned before that the existing Saturn connectors weren't the best, and that he is working on having new custom connectors made, but that it will take time.

[warm fjord]

for which controller do we have to set the twin stick for when using USB? is it digital pad?

[olive eagle]

On Linux and Mac it should be something like this:

for chdfile in *.chd
do
mkdir `basename $chdfile .chd`
mv -iv "$chdfile" `basename "$chdfile" .chd`
done

Note that you should be extra careful with filenames that contain spaces and characters like " or \, I did some basic sanity checks to make sure it should work with the most common cases of "special characters" , but I won't promise it won't break anything on your system.

fixed

I tested it on my desktop Linux and on the MiSTer itself, connected through ssh. Not the cleanest shell script style out there, but in my sleep deprived state, I have little hope of doing any better. 😅

[stiff patrol]

Bios should be boot.rom not boot.bin

[scenic snow]

Yeah did something very similar. Guess the multi disc games you still need to manually sort out afterwards

[edgy hollow]

So don't have a snac yet. The current ones are 1 port only. Will there be any issues with other pads when connected with a multi-tap?

[noble escarp]

Digital. If you use a digital pad and map all the buttons 1:1 first, the twin stick will share the same mapping and will work.

[hardy lodge]

Is psx or saturn baroque better? Don't lie to me, I can tell!

[stiff patrol]

which is better is your choice. It doesnt matter what someone else thinks

[hardy lodge]

Never played it, dunno if one is better in stable performance ect. So I take it they are equal.

[edgy hollow]

saturn apparently has better ost

although I was thinking between saturn/ps1/wii/ps2

[midnight parrot]

Nice catch, thank you!

[hardy lodge]

From what I've seen/heard about baroque the wii/ps2 versions don't count.

[wise brook]

so what we playing today?

[frail token]

Hopefully SMBW and SOTN

not on Saturn sadly

I do need to get my CHDs transferred so I can finally try the core

[wise brook]

I'm blessed, prepped my 4tb drive ages ago

[pearl harbor]

Saturn is generally considered better for Baroque. The PS1 version's sprites are oddly stretched out, making them look really off.

[burnt matrix]

If it ain’t Baroque then don’t fix it!

[pearl harbor]

You silly goose.

[gentle quiver]

Yeah grandia having the same distinction between psx and a better saturn version as well

Sometimes just happens

[burnt matrix]

Grandia PS1 > Saturn

[mortal mist]

Robby is right

[drowsy hull]

cannot argue against faster loading times and better framerate

[wise brook]

Grandia Switch port beats them all.

they smoothed out all the textures and geometry.

so all your criticism bounces straight off

[burnt matrix]

And which version did they use for that superior version? PS1! Checkmate, gamers.

[wise brook]

imagine holding this in your hand and thinking "why yes I've chosen so wisely"

[drifting frigate]

Due to a typo, I've been playing an Allan Sherman adaptation. It starts with you writing a letter home... "Hello muddah...hello fadduh..."

[wise brook]

who need a, b, c, x, y, z when you can have checks note hieroglyphs

man that word is spelt weird

[drifting frigate]

"It's actually pronounced hieroJLYPHS."

[burnt matrix]

good lord, y’all are on a roll, lmaaaaao

[polar geode]

Its pretty great for Saturn SOTN/NITM ;)

The PS Classic controller is pretty quality, really. And the usb cable can be swapped out easily for a longer one, it just has a microusb connector inside.

[alpine pagoda]

But lose the cute little PS plug on the end? 🤔

[polar geode]

That connector actually is kinda loose, it looks cool but a better cable resolved that issue for me

[alpine pagoda]

I’m mostly joking. I do like the way it looks but being able to swap over the cable easily is a great tip 👍

[polar geode]

Im kind of surprised Sony sprung to have a connector on the pcb

[alpine pagoda]

It was probably cheaper somehow at scale

I wish I’d bought multiple ps classics when they were at $20 just for the extra controllers

[thorn pagoda]

$20 for two nice psx usb controllers and a paperweight is a bargain

[alpine pagoda]

Totally. I think I’d grabbed one in the $30-40 range and maybe hadn’t opened it up when they dropped to $20. If I had I’m sure I would have grabbed at least another 1 or 2.

[polar geode]

Easy peasy, mac and cheesey

[wise brook]

unexpected

[drifting frigate]

So you're telling me it's trivial to have a 25' PS1 controller cable with the mini......

[polar geode]

Yes

The only thing you need to watch out for is the length on the connector head of the microusb

[drifting frigate]

That's kinda awesome.

[polar geode]

It has like a .. 2ms lag rating? Its a good controller besides that cable

[slow prism]

How do you enable saves on the Saturn core

I have cartridge set to none in the settings

Not sure if that has to be changed

[drifting frigate]

Set auto save = on and open the OSD after an in-game save happens.

That writes whatever is in the internal memory to a save for the game.

*should....I should always say 'should' with Saturn.

[scenic snow]

And make sure you have each game in a separate folder

[slow prism]

Thanks guys

One thing I hate is having to load the bios everytime i open the core

[stiff patrol]

name the bios boot.rom and you wont have to

[slow prism]

Ok I’m gonna try that right now

[slow prism]

Thanks that worked!!!

[sick python]

Spent all morning playing Bomberman (fantastic game) and UMK3. now I remember why I spent so many quarters on that freaking game, rounds are fast and unforgiving, I need to practice.

[untold lintel]

see me on fightcade sometime ; )

[sick python]

Def not! Noob is my name and not even the cool one (Noob Sabot)

[untold lintel]

the south americans all whoop my ass in there

[pearl harbor]

Never give up hope! If you "make a wish", you too can become Noob Saibot||'s victim||!

[sick python]

I was like "maybe it's my controller" <tries 4 diff controllers and a fightstick>

Maybe it's not the controller...

[untold lintel]

i play on an MK stick lol

[sick python]

That'd be convenient.

[olive eagle]

Oh yeah, multi-disk games are going to be a pain unless every CHD file has a very consistent naming convention.

[edgy hollow]

is CHD supported for basic update_all or is unstable still needed?

[acoustic temple]

anyone know how I could insert a custom save?

I'm looking for an ISO or savefile of Fighters megamix with all the characters unlocked

[wise brook]

it's all included since 18/10

[edgy hollow]

ok

[raw parrot]

Ive got the first version of that stick, the one that opens up @untold lintel, did you ever try to upgrade the pcb to something more modern?

[untold lintel]

haven't really had any impetus too. I also have one of the "TE" versions that opens up

[raw parrot]

The og pcb has the buttons inegrated so i imagine it would involve alot if trace cutting. Mine is the 360 version iirc

[untold lintel]

most people ive seen that mod it just make a new top panel and put 24mm buttons in for the admin stuff or something like that

which is kinda more headache than i care to deal with for now

[warm mica]

How well does a Guncon 2 work with the Saturn core?

[pearl harbor]

The Saturn core doesn't support light guns yet. Hope it does soon!

[ancient surge]

So people can experience Death Crimson just like Satan intended.

[warm mica]

Yea so do I. My Guncon 2 is ready

[quick sorrel]

Any Wiimote users in place of Guncons?

[drifting frigate]

On one of my setups, yes. I even picked up the cheapo holders to make it feel more like a Super Scope.

(for the SNES core)

[quick sorrel]

As I’m lacking Guncons, I thought they might be a good replacement. Do they perform well or are they laggy?

[mental folio]

They use the same tech as the guncon 3. But if you want no lag, you’d need a crt and a guncon 1 or 2

[drifting frigate]

They are decent, but not even close to perfect. But as gens went up, tolerance on guns went up as well, so it's not so bad. But as DK says, basically the same tech.

[quick sorrel]

Thanks guys.

[pearl harbor]

I've found that the guncon 3 works way better than Wii Remotes for accuracy. Similar technology for sure, but the accuracy with the guncon 3 is so good in certain cores that you can play without an on-screen cursor. Wii Remotes still feel like controlling an on-screen mouse cursor with no real relation to actual aiming.

[serene thunder]

I need to sort out GunCon3 soon
I bought one ages ago and have never been able to get it aligned properly
NES, SMS, PSX

The reticle is always offset to one side

[tidal raptor]

yeah I picked one up a few months ago and couldn't really get it working that well. I guess you just need to mess with it until it works

[quick sorrel]

Hah! Just checked and Guncon3 pricing is quite high locally.

[tall radish]

Is Disc swapping not a thing yet?

Because I finished Disc 1 of Policenauts, saved in game, auto saved the RAM and I get boot looped

Boot Disc 1 it tells me to boot Disc 2, Boot Disc 2 it tells me to boot Disc 1.

[tawny forge]

Gotta keep both disc files in the same directory

[tall radish]

So all .cue and .bins can't be separated by folders?

[tawny forge]

Yes. They must be separated by their own folders. Except for multi disc games

[tall radish]

You'd think having just .cues by themselves would be enough

[tawny forge]

You can’t really separate cues from bins

[tall radish]

Well I just lost my progress for the 2nd time

The auto save saved the corrupted boot loop and now when I go to Disc 1 it starts the game over again

And here I thought the auto save would save after hitting the home button and after "Progress Saved" appeared on the screen...

[tall radish]

You could if you made a .lst file for them

I remember that being a workaround for multi disc files for PSIO but I don't blame people for not wanting to make them lol

[tall radish]

FWIW I figured out why, I was using a nightly build and thought this save glitch was apart of that so I restarted on the latest stable and had the same issue

not realizing it's just the .cues not seeing each other

[wise brook]

so that's what you do when you're not sacrificing the Band of the Hawk

[wise brook]

is it working for you now?

[frigid salmon]

Tested Shienryu today (probably not on anyone's list.) There is an issue with the initial display and settings where you can't see how to get into the menu. I got lucky with this and switched it to arcade (IE Tate) mode, which then allowed me to see everything. Strangely on the attract screen it displays in yoko properly. You also have to be careful with the 'rotate' option since it will give you the least desirable option--playing a tate shmup with with yoko controls. Only had time to play up to level 3 today but seemed to work fine.

[undone tundra]

I'm curious - not in front of my MiSTer right now so cannot test - but in the PSX core it has a similar BIOS implementation, except the cd_bios.rom file can be "in the same directory as the CD or 1 directory above". That means, if we use the Smokemonster directory structure, and if all JPN roms are in a single directory, we could just add the appropriate region BIOS in that directory, where all the game directories exist. Has anyone tried this and will it work with the Saturn core?

[mortal mist]

If it works then you will still have to set the region, using region free bios you skip all this

[undone tundra]

That was going to be my next question - so region isn't auto selected based on the ISO or BIOS? It has to be set manually?

[mortal mist]

Yes , for now manually

This is certainly an area for improvement

Beta core 🙂

[burnt matrix]

What a a “smokemonster” directory structure?

[undone tundra]

Gotcha, thanks. And the manual BIOS from the menu screen is just another way to assign the BIOS, other than to just put a boot.rom or cd_bios.rom file into the directory

[undone tundra]

It looks like this:
1_USA 2_JPN 3_EU

so 1_USA could have it's own cd_bios.rom, and 2_JPN could have its own cd_bios.rom. That's how the PSX core works.

[burnt matrix]

How odd. I don’t append any numbers to mine but I see why.

[undone tundra]

Yeah it's just a sorting thing

[burnt matrix]

I use MGL files with setname to have core variants with the default region set. Although you can just use a region free bios and not need to bother.

[undone tundra]

I guess I'm a purist lol

[lusty rapids]

smokemonster came up with an organization scripts some time ago, kinda meant for everdrives, and it's held over some.

[undone tundra]

I get bothered when I don't see the right splash screen when loading up ISOs lol

[burnt matrix]

ohhhh he had a script to handle that

[burnt matrix]

With setnames you can have each core folder symlinked to each region folder with its cs bios inside so you can do unique splash screens per region.

If that makes sense

[undone tundra]

Ooh gotta look into that. https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/mgl/#finding-mgl-arguments

[burnt matrix]

That should definitely work.

[undone tundra]

I'm running my Saturn and PSX CHDs from a NAS so it would be an easy test

[burnt matrix]

So you can use mgl to launch games directly or just make a unique core

[undone tundra]

should definitely
Probably Maybe lol

[burnt matrix]

Whatever you prefer

I hope it works for you. I respect and admire your unique splash screen idea. I think it’s cool.

[undone tundra]

I'm probably most nostalgic for the Saturn, so I need the core to emulate my memories 100%.

[ancient fractal]

On the contrary, this issue and fix has been discussed a lot

[tall radish]

I gonna ask a dunce core question here. I am now fully CHD (European) very happy with my games now however memory. I guess you can only do rom 2mb and DRAM 4MB for the moment? I know there was cartridge memory add on-s released but dunno if they ever gonna be supported or intergrated into the core in future?

[cunning citrus]

There is 1 and 4 MB ram expansion support. Backup cartridge still not supported, but each game receives its own while backup separated (when on separate folders), so only a couple of games actually needs the backup cartridge support.

[burnt matrix]

What's my Japanese game list missing?

Arcade Gears Vol. 1 - Pu-Li-Ru-La
Assault Suit Leynos 2
Astra Superstars
Bubble Symphony
D-Xhird
Dead or Alive
Digital Pinball - Necronomicon
Elevator Action^2 - Returns
Gale Racer
Goiken Muyou - Anarchy in the Nippon
Gungriffon II
Jung Rhythm
Magical Night Dreams - Cotton Boomerang
Night Striker S
Rabbit
Radiant Silvergun
Sega Ages - Power Drift
Segata Sanshirou - Shinken Yuugi
Sexy Parodius
Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru
Soukyuu Gurentai - Otokuyou
Steamgear Mash
Super Tempo
Tryrush Deppy
Willy Wombat

This doesn't include translated games, that's in a seperate folder.

[drifting frigate]

Someone is going to trick you into Yakyuu Ken....

But for real, even if you have to use a guide, 7 Winds.
Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari

[tidal raptor]

Hissatsu is a decent little action game

Also quite a few import fighting games you could add, not sure if you enjoy those though

[minor cipher]

solve the clown murder

[tidal raptor]

Lol do you have what it takes? And the reading comprehension skills

[burnt matrix]

I have been tricked and WHAT THE FUCK

I don’t have the reading comprehension skills for Japanese heavy games, so it’s why I don’t have any adventure or RPGs.

[minor cipher]

😄 i just can't pass up the opportunity to post that boxart

all-timer right there

[stiff patrol]

you could have removed the redundant Japanese Heavy from that Robby

[burnt matrix]

I think games that have light Japanese like a fighting game are fine, as long as I can finagle my way through a menu

[drifting frigate]

Hot Blooded Family isn't an exclusive, but it's different on Saturn. That one is really fun.

[minor cipher]

i have a soft spot for the Race Drivin' port for Saturn. that one is JP-only

it's not particularly interesting if you aren't into Hard/Race Drivin' 😄 but it's neat for what it is

[pearl harbor]

Looks like you're missing some of the shmup greats! Like Batsugun, Cotton 2 and Cotton Boomerang, Guardian Force, Gunbird, Hyper Duel, and Metal Black.

Also give Final Fight Revenge a try if you want some pretty fun but janky fighting game action! Street Fighter Zero 3 is the best version of Alpha 3 in my opinion (better than the arcade version).

[minor cipher]

before Midway Arcade Treasures 3 came along with a better one it was a pretty acceptable port

[trim nimbus]

did you check the pins? 😉

[pearl harbor]

And don't miss Pu-Li-Ru-La! @burnt matrix ! It's one of the weirdest beat'em ups ever made! Edit: Ah, never mind, looks like you already have that one.

[burnt matrix]

lol I didn’t!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I’ve got that one for PS1, good choice!

[trim nimbus]

haha, I said that, but I don’t see phantasm’s list in pins?

[burnt matrix]

I’ve got Cotton Boomerang on there, Cotton 2 translated, and Batsugun as an arcade core. I’ll check the others out, thank you!

[burnt matrix]

He left under unfortunate circumstances and it would be weird to have his list pinned.

Great list though.

[trim nimbus]

oh, I missed that…unfortunate indeed

[winter phoenix]

• From TV Animation Slam Dunk - I Love Basketball
• Vampire Savior
• Daytona USA Circuit Edition (best version of Daytona on the Saturn)

[ivory kindle]

can we copy his list and make it the mister community maintained list?

why lose good content

[winter phoenix]

What is this list? I love a good list

[drifting frigate]

Everybody! Loves! Lists! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMFLBkyL7nY

[celest iris]

it's not his fault women can't drive or do math, he was just telling it how it is!

[drifting frigate]

Oooof.

[celest iris]

was joke, but i bet it was a really good reason

this place is pretty tolerant

[polar geode]

🤨

[celest iris]

WAS JOKE ABOUT BAN

you people.

[fresh gale]

Jokes are dead Jay Ogre. Thankfully Saturn preservation isn’t

[burnt matrix]

Excellent point. Thank you for saying that.

I’ll have to find it, sorry.

[drifting frigate]

Totally thought it was real since it's so common. So I was oofing the discordn't account. Glad to know it probably wasn't that bad at least.

[celest iris]

It would be pretty ballsy in a server with two women admins

So I thought I was being pretty obvious

[burnt matrix]

I shouldn’t have specified, that was bad manners on my behalf. Their attendance on this server or lack thereof is a private matter. I am sorry.

The unpinning was a mod call that I made and that was wrong of me. I’ll need help finding it though.

[drifting frigate]

People do really dumb stuff. A guy at my old work literally sent out a manifesto simply because HR sent a single link about Day of Visibility. LIke, a legit unibomber manifesto.... so he was gone in about 15 minutes.

[burnt matrix]

That’s awesome/scary, scawsome!

[drifting frigate]

We went in groups to cars after work, too...he was that unhinged.

We were just waiting for him to show up with artillery.

[celest iris]

ok this is making me sad now

[inner kayak]

When I was consulting for a large tech company known for search/ads, someone wrote a manifesto about “why women can’t be good engineers”

this was in 2006. They weren’t fired, the HR policies at that company were so impotent in dealing with toxicity

supposedly better now, I’m told.

but I’ll never forget the person working on their social network site who threw a chair and spit in the face of another consultant. Also not fired.

[drifting frigate]

That went pretty public if it's the same one.

[pearl harbor]

Wait, there's a Batsugun arcade core!?

[rich violet]

This one? #1046941029296779344 message

[burnt matrix]

Yes thank you - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sK0nsXIKW3Rb-xkHZRXXqOb9yIdfoNAhF_BKSDt2Hn4/htmlview

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-you-people-racist-tropic-thunder-what-do-you-mean-you-people-gif-4733346

[stiff patrol]

a google doc link can be made to pint at anything

if he got banned it may not be a good idea to link his google doc

[burnt matrix]

That’s exactly my thought process.

[celest iris]

feet pics.

[rich violet]

You could go to File > Make copy

[stiff patrol]

I never get the point of these lists where the "best" is decided. The best is what you like not what someone tells you to like

[burnt matrix]

I also had that same thought, I don’t want to get into a scenario where it appears we’re endorsing games over others because that’s highly subjective and people get quite animated about that kind of stuff.

First thing I did as a mod was unpin my N64 list lol

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-the-simpsons-homer-simpson-no-beer-gif-5155755

[celest iris]

dude i love the curated lists in amiga vision, but it is multiple lists and often old publications

[burnt matrix]

I do too

[celest iris]

except limi, screw that guys list

[stiff patrol]

yes thats fine in a system, but that list was finding the best between multiple systems

its like people stating its best because it has a CD soundtrack, the Game and the platform you first played on means more to me than some tagged on soundtrack

[burnt matrix]

I am possibly thinking too much into it but I’m trying to think of it like this. This Discord is a gathering place for like-minded individuals to meet and discuss. It also serves other purposes like core development support, etc. It’s just a platform to connect people and maintains the open flow of communications for the general excitement of the MiSTer platform. In some small and weird way, pinning something acts like an official endorsement by the moderation team. I’m of the perspective that those pins should serve as community tools to help people rather than serve as platforms for subjective recommendations. The last thing I’d want is for someone who’s passionate about a game feel left out because the pinned list doesn’t include it.

[stiff patrol]

I play my way. I still think Roadrash was best on the Megadrive because thats where I first played it

[burnt matrix]

Like I said, I myself had a pinned list of N64 game recommendations. One I’d stand behind. But the first thing I did was when I was modded was unpin it because I didn’t feel comfortable in that being or feeling like it felt like an endorsed list.

[pearl harbor]

Roadrash will always be best for me on 3DO! That's the version I played the most back in the day.

[celest iris]

i mean an easy solution is to just delete the commentary, it's mostly an objective spreadsheet of exclusives and ports

[stiff patrol]

Cannon Fodder = Amiga, Lemmings = Amiga again where I first played

[burnt matrix]

I’m human and I’m wrong so it’s whatever. My feelings aside I serve community and I’ll do what the community wants.

[sick python]

Yeah but as someone who wasn't really investing in that gen (I was PC gaming at that time) I'd love a list-o-Robby's favs. Don't make me watch all Metal Jesus's videos....

[stiff patrol]

I would love a list of Robby Favs so I can avoid them as Robby is an Idiot 🙂

[clear condor]

Is that just because the staff's official opinion is that the N64 has no good games?

[stiff patrol]

N64 has Mario Kart

I love Mario Kart

[clear condor]

You're rubber banned

[sick python]

@burnt matrix too late, I seen it

[stiff patrol]

well yes the rubber banding sucks

[burnt matrix]

also if you notice I try to only pin moderator comments, again I think too much into it but anyone can edit their comment and put whatever they want after the fact

[ivory kindle]

I would see it differently, the list is there to help someone who has never used the Saturn find games that might be intereting to them. I think it's fair to say that consoles of any generation have some pretty shit titles, so a curated list is always a good place to START. It's not "definitive" nor is it the end all be all

I didn't own a saturn, I have no idea which games are dookie

[celest iris]

@burnt matrix i did that once, and it was hilarious

[stiff patrol]

But you can get a list with a single google search

[ivory kindle]

whats the harm in leaving it here? then we can add columns to help indicate compatibility issues as well

[burnt matrix]

Ok

[stiff patrol]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Top+25+Saturn+games

[ivory kindle]

this concept of 100% inclusion for all and no hurt feelings isn't realistic to let's support the greater good

[stiff patrol]

because that list is to a google sheet on a guy who got banned

and could be made to be anything

[ivory kindle]

so clone it, take away his branding

let the community edit it

the data in there is still valuable, whether or not the guy is a douche means nothing.

there are links to hacks, patches, notes about each game

[burnt matrix]

@ivory kindle I updated the pin, is this appropriate? #1046941029296779344 message

[ivory kindle]

I think it's a helpful guide, sorry if that is controversial

[burnt matrix]

No it’s not. I serve the community and my opinions should never interfere with that.

[ivory kindle]

did we at least duplicate it so the previous poster can't manipulate it?

[burnt matrix]

Thank you for listening to me.

[ivory kindle]

would hate for him to delete it all and replace it with goatse

lol

[burnt matrix]

I would prefer that, but I honestly do not have the time to maintain it myself.

[trim nimbus]

I don’t think it is controversial, as much as we talk to about using google, I see people asking about saturn games daily 😄

[stiff patrol]

That was my concern, I would never use the list as I do things my way !

[ivory kindle]

RIP to my google account

[stiff patrol]

but now you can pay !

[ivory kindle]

im so tired of paying for shit

[stiff patrol]

its only 10000000 dollars a sec

[burnt matrix]

There isn’t yet, sorry.

You’re right I should add that one.

[burnt matrix]

Is there a U.S. release of Daytona Circuit Edition?

[pearl harbor]

You can't do that to me Robbyyyyy!!

[ivory kindle]

yeah it's called CCE Netlink I think

[trim nimbus]

doesnt the net link version have the CCE stuff?

[pearl harbor]

That said, the Saturn version is extremely good, so you're forgiven. Just play it to make it up to me!

[trim nimbus]

but, from my understanding, the japanese release post that release is the one to get, because the us version doesn’t support system link

and this is vague recollection as well— I don’t think the us CCE has the old music? I think you need the subsequent japanese release to choose soundtrack?

[pearl harbor]

There is, but the Japanese version is better, because you can change the music to the classic Daytona music! You can't do that in the US release.

Daytona USA without the original music just isn't Daytona USA to me.

[winter phoenix]

yes and no. First we got Daytona USA: Championship Circuit Edition in the West, which has no online, has car handling that people complain about not being "right" and lacks the original game's vocal tracks.

Then we have Daytona USA: Circuit Edition, which came out in Japan a few months later and has online, improved handling (but still not good enough for purists) and restores the original game's vocal tracks. It also lets you change the time of day, which the U.S.'s CCE does not.

Then we have Daytona USA: Championship Circuit Edition: NetLink Edition, which came out like a year later in the U.S. It has online but I believe it still lacks the vocal tracks. Not sure about the improved handling or choosing of time of day.

This is all in addition to the original Daytona USA that came out in early 1995 from a different team 😆

[burnt matrix]

ah right the netlink edition, I have that

[winter phoenix]

to illustrate:

all the Daytonas

[pearl harbor]

I personally still prefer the original release on Saturn. Because yeah, the handling feels more like Daytona USA. The visuals also look more like the arcade version. Its biggest problem is the 20fps. Which yeah, isn't great, but I still prefer that version.

Of course my favorite home version of Daytona USA is the PS3/360 version. And the 360 version runs at 4K 60fps on my Series X.

[ivory kindle]

there's a dreamcast version that has the arcade sound track added in which is cool

[winter phoenix]

CCE also has two-player, which the original port lacks

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, that version is pretty decent. The handling isn't quite right in it still though.

[winter phoenix]

plus two new tracks and several new cars

[ivory kindle]

the best is the model2 version

[winter phoenix]

and the best song Jun Senoue ever wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM-7ocu_YJk

or was involved with, anyway. I don't know if he wrote it. It sounds like he probably wrote the guitar licks at least.

[mortal mist]

Same ♥️

[prisma wraith]

having community curated lists for folks to dive into larger libraries like this seems like always a good thing. i like that its an external link and can be added to as other things come up that folks chime in about

[winter phoenix]

OK, so I just checked ... Daytona NetLink Edition does let you change the time of day by holding a different button or two while a race is loading, as described here, which is the same as the Japanese Circuit Edition: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/saturn/197061-daytona-usa-championship-circuit-edition/cheats

But it does not have the vocal tracks that the Japanese Circuit Edition has. I don't know if its handling is different; I'm not sensitive to the alleged changes in handling across the various versions of Daytona.

One other difference: the Japanese Circuit Edition has link cable multiplayer while the U.S. NetLink Edition does not. (The link cable, aka Taisen Cable, was not released outside Japan.)

[trim nimbus]

yay, so my memory was 2 for 2!

[serene thunder]

This is what I have for JP games
I avoided stuff like visual novels, sports games, etc

Just make sure you get Techno Motor!

You'll be raving

[drifting frigate]

Enjoy it while it.....where am I?

[trim nimbus]

I blame Mort Kemnon

[winter phoenix]

I just did a little experiment to try to test the handling. One the Three-Seven Speedway track, as it gives you control during your rolling start, I held the gas and I held left, then paused and took a screenshot right when I was about to hit the wall to see if it was identical in all three versions (U.S. CCE, U.S. NetLink and JP Circuit).

NetLink and JP Circuit are basically identical.

Meanwhile, U.S. CCE (the earliest of these three releases) seems to have tighter handling and hits the wall more to the left (look at the white line). It also has different signage, which is kinda interesting.

Also, as you can see from the timer, CCE gets to the wall slightly faster and has a faster speed (149 mph vs. NetLink's 136 mph)

For funsies, I also did this with the original U.S. port of Daytona, although it means very little because it's so different — the tracks are literally built differently than the various Circuit Editions and runs on a different engine made by a different dev team.

[gloomy hedge]

this is kinda awesome @winter phoenix

[winter phoenix]

Thanks 🙌 I’m happy to get information out there

[gloomy hedge]

I like the timer sync as well

They all are about to hit the wall at the same time

Which makes it even more puzzling

One would think if US turned in faster... it would hit the wall sooner

[winter phoenix]

Yeah I think that’s what’s happening

Although the speed is a little faster according to the on-screen numbers, too

[pearl harbor]

Just tried out SNAC on Saturn, and using my old 3D controller sure brings back the feels. Makes games like Sega Rally and Manx TT SuperBike so much easier to play! Same with Nights into Dreams of course.

And holy cow I sure took good care of my Saturn controllers back in the day. My 3D controller and regular controller are legit like brand new still.

[twilit forum]

i wonder if tokimeki memorial is just cursed because we have all of these working 2d games and the konami logo animation still glitches out

but the rest of the game seemingly works fine

[edgy hollow]

would you say an 8bitdo saturn conversion kit is worth it vs the saturn style gamepad they made?

[trim nimbus]

Do you have a bunch of worn Saturn controllers? Everything is subject to opinion, but I wouldn’t strip a good Saturn controller to convert if you can just use an m30

[edgy hollow]

I can easily get one cheap but I already have an m30

I was just curious if it's really much of an upgrade

I did enjoy the N64 one tbh

[tiny flare]

plenty of awesome options to adapt your original controller to USB, no need to gut one

I do think the dpad on the orignal Saturn pad is a slight upgrade (it's the best sega style pad ever made imo), but if you're already happy with your m30 then may as well stick with that - I have both and end up using the m30 2.4ghz just for convenience sake

[hollow glen]

the 8bitdo saturn mod has usb + bluetooth

not saying bluetooth is the best way to go but it's definitely a unique perk some people might enjoy

[tiny flare]

I guess, but yeah in that case I would say just go with the m30 if you really want something wireless

[hollow glen]

also the mod is pretty unintrusive, easy to undo and put the original parts back in if wanting

or at least, i imagine it's unintrusive. i dont imagine opening it up and swapping parts out could damage things but maybe it might not be as tight and original feeling after opening it up a bit

[edgy hollow]

although problem with saturn pads are some of them yellow badly

also m30 won't tell me which is the play, stop and pause butotns

[serene thunder]

The cords on OG Saturn controllers are also really annoying with how they retain bends
You can dangle the controller to try and work out some kinks
ahem

[drifting crown]

So I already have a Saturn daemonbite adapter but I want to build a Saturn snac for 3d pad use. Does anyone have a guide on wiring up the snac adapter?

Thinking to buy one from ulimatemister. Recommended?

[twin canyon]

that's what you said about doom eternal

[supple vine]

How does saving on Saturn work? Is it one global nonvolatile memory dump, or one per folder, or is it mounting virtual backup cartridges?

[mortal mist]

internal memory per game

backup carts are not yet supported

[supple vine]

Interesting thanks.

[mortal mist]

per game assuming the games are in separate folders

[drowsy hull]

Would there be a need for thw cart?

Except for maybe warcraft2 and sim city2k geeks

[mortal mist]

it is always better to have more options 🙂

but it is certainly not a priority at the moment

[tall radish]

Yup it's, I'm just dumb lol

[untold nymph]

anybody run the saturn core with a blisster? i've found that you have to disconnect the serial cable or else controllers connected to the blisster will be unresponsive. also, it seems like my compatibility is much worse than average. many games lose sound after a few seconds and some don't boot when it seems like they do for others (Nights, for instance)

[mortal mist]

What version of ram do you have ?

4c or 2c ?

[wise brook]

regular v2.5 ram suffers with this too of course

[mortal mist]

Yes ofc

And if I remember correctly blisster requires a special core to work properly

[high bramble]

If you want to take advantage of LLAPI.

[mortal mist]

I'm totally unfamiliar with it

[high bramble]

If not using the LLAPI functionality of BlisSTer, it functions just like a normal USB hub... or is supposed to.

[serene raven]

It does atleast did for me

Was nice to use my oem controllers in any core not just the one they were made for

But yeah llapi is similar to snac but requires a special llapi version of the core to use it

[untold nymph]

a special core is only needed if you want to take advatage of the low latency functionality. this has not been implemented on the saturn core, but without it the blisster should still operate like a standard usb board. i need to open my mister up and check what sdram i have because i don't remember. it's been about 3 years since i put my mister together so it's probably a less compatible version.

[serene raven]

3 years probably is a 2.5 chip

Mine is 2 years and had 2.9 I think

[high bramble]

I was close to choosing the BlisSTer route route years ago, but thankfully chose not to.

[untold nymph]

i'm just kinda worried that i'll buy a new sdram only to realize it's some other incompatibility with the blisster that's causing issues. it's weird that i need to disconnect the serial cable to get the controllers to be recognized

[celest iris]

worth pointing out that it functions as a slow usb hub, so normal controllers take a small hit

[high bramble]

Ah, good to know. So fast polling has no effect?

[celest iris]

@high bramble it does, but not a good one, i think it just breaks entirely

it isn't fast enough because of how usb is implemented

[high bramble]

Then I'm even more grateful I didn't go that route back then.

[polar geode]

https://fxtwitter.com/rvr67michael/status/1716501738591764606?t=psvT0kn0gY7qPijfpIRigQ&s=19

[void halo]

Started testing out Grandia on the newest Saturn core. Lots of graphical glitches and slowdowns as opposed to the original hardware. Enemy battle screens are messed up quite a bit. Graphics in wrong place, inverted colors, etc.

[sudden tusk]

WIP stands for work in progress .

[wise brook]

I've been playing the old demo disks. it gives context to what Sega and Co. thought desereved hyping up.

I think I've played the first one made for the system now dated 1995/08

seems odd. might be some under a different name for early 95

[wise brook]

is this your official bug report?

[void halo]

Yes

[burnt matrix]

@void halo hey thanks for reaching out. Sorry about the issues you ran into. The core, while being in main, is still in development and will have lots of issues.

You probably also ran into lots of audio problems too.

[void halo]

I did but they weren’t too bad. All in all it is very playable except the battle screens.

[burnt matrix]

Great to hear! It’s interesting to see how some games run flawlessly but others have loads of issues.

[subtle tusk]

Shining Wisdom runs pretty great.

[wise brook]

that was on the first demo disk too!

[edgy hollow]

So found a store that sells the saturn 8bitdo kit since the 8bitdo site is out. Resisting the urge to buy it lol

Also is there an open source saturn snac board yet?

[wise brook]

I've not seen one, and I've looked

folks who've jumped the gun (so to speak) and made their own proprietary solutions can make an extra buck in the meantime

if it was open source, the market would already be flooded with bitfunxs

[edgy hollow]

Yeah, maybe blue1 would make one in the future. He's already stated he'll release one for n64 later (to prevent clones early on or something). He said there's a hint to do it in his n64 core/snac code but it's probably not as straight forward as I thought lol

[upper dust]

Been enjoying the Saturn and N64 cores (and only using one controller...)
https://imgflip.com/i/83q6ki

[burnt matrix]

The N64 is the ultimate Saturn controller. Prove me wrong.

[burnt matrix]

damn, I can’t recover from that lol

[pearl harbor]

One cannot be proven wrong when one is fundamentally correct. 🎮 🤘

[next bronze]

and NES pad for Saturn games would be Homer Simpson's brain.

[polar geode]

Well, if you're playing certain arcade ports

[next bronze]

true

[polar geode]

Sometimes its fun to use other controllers with other systems. Like NES controller on PSX core, with Rockman Complete Works 1-6 or the Sunsoft NES Collection

[tiny flare]

I don’t even like PSX pad for PSX, I use the Wii Classic controller for games that don’t have rumble

[hardy lodge]

Any way to convert them into a wireless pad? Wiimote didn't work for me.

[edgy hollow]

Easiest is 8bitdo gc/wiimote

Either bt or wired

[hardy lodge]

That gbros dongle you mean?

[edgy hollow]

yeah

worked great on the switch. Haven't tried it on mister outside that one time

[zinc flume]

with CHD support and all the updates the Saturn core is pretty amazing, pretty much handled most of what i threw at it. So nice on a candy cab

[wise brook]

pics or it didn't happen lol

[zinc flume]

squuezed saturn USA and Japan full set on minus like japanese demo discs

wanna move it to my Astro 2 once i get my wiring harness back

[wise brook]

well now im just jealous

Also you can't skip out on the demo disks! they're the coolest!

[zinc flume]

i cant wait for them to make 2TB sd cards

[stiff patrol]

why just get a SSD

much cheaper and more reliable

[zinc flume]

ive connected external HDs to my normal mister even with a newer power supply and just is more cumbersome less reliable for me

like just popping in the SD card into the mistercade

[stiff patrol]

Never had any issue with a 2TB SSD and a Meanwell 4A 5 V power supply

[zinc flume]

they all click on me

the externals

[stiff patrol]

SSD cant click

[zinc flume]

might by the model of HD

be

[stiff patrol]

its solid state

[zinc flume]

yea i understand lol

i just have the $ for it rn

[stiff patrol]

Spinning rust can spin down and makes noise

SSD is silent and never spins down because it doesnt spin

2TB ssd will be alot cheaper than a 2TB SD

and a SSD is designed to be used

[zinc flume]

yeah maybe in the future

how much did you pay for your ssd

[vestal basin]

What game is this?

[trim nimbus]

Maybe it has an embedded piezoelectric speaker to fake those relaxing access noises.

[stiff patrol]

150 quid for 2 TB

[zinc flume]

all japan pro wrestling f virtua

i havent looked at prices in a while yeah thats not bad at all

[serene thunder]

NIGHTS is still a pretty game
Kind of chunky, but the use of color is nice
Love the bosses

[vestal basin]

I love Gary Albright. I'm very surprised to see him in the game on Saturn.

[serene thunder]

"Master of Suplex"

[lucid needle]

I got help with saving earlier and I thought I had it solved, but apparently not... It looks like it works when I try to save a game in World Tour in Street Fighter Alpha 3, but every time I come back there is no save game present. Is this as expected in the current state or am I doing anything wrong?

[mortal mist]

if you see that the game state saves when you open the OSD everything should be ok

maybe it's a bug , I haven't tested SFA3 , in other games the game save works ok for me

I assume you have auto save enabled in osd

[lucid needle]

Yes it works in other games for me as well AFAIK. SFA3 might be buggy. I'll check for game state saving in the OSD, thanks.

[mortal mist]

if it's ok in other games then I assume it's a bug

[quick sorrel]

Did Saturn core get an update or was it in the unstable?

[mortal mist]

The latest core is 20231018

[winter phoenix]

OK, so that innocuous question about the various Circuit editions of Daytona on the Saturn a few days ago led me down a rabbit hole that ended with me writing a treatise investigating the differences among each title. I blame @burnt matrix for this. Anyway, here it is, please enjoy: https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2023/10/26/is-daytona-netlink-edition-really-based-on-japans-circuit-edition/

[burnt matrix]

❤️

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/elaina-nod-gif-25532943

[inner token]

guy probably doesn't even have a mission stick.🤔

[kindred peak]

Thank you! We now have documented evidence for the next time someone asks. Nice work.

[winter phoenix]

Thanks! Yeah, I hope it's helpful to people. I learned some things while working on it, too.

[burnt matrix]

I do!!

[kindred peak]

You got me curious to what would happen if I linked my Saturns together. One with Netlink, the other with Japan CCE... 🤔

[burnt matrix]

I’m very happy with it. Playing SNAC with it is amazing.

[winter phoenix]

You mean the Link Battle mode? While Japan CE has that, there's no way to access it in NetLink Edition (if it hasn't been excised from the code completely)

The two versions can play each other online, though

[inner token]

I know, figured I'd let you flex and show it off, and show that you really do ❤️ saturn

[kindred peak]

Right on. So it won't even detect it. I guess I was hoping for some random functionality to be left behind. 😄

[winter phoenix]

Good to check, though!

[burnt matrix]

It’s thanks to you man. Being able to enjoy these games with original peripherals is a dream come true. Now I get why everyone says the Saturn controller is the best, After Burner with the mission stick is amazing, Sega Rally with the racing wheel is one of my favorite racing games, and finally I can play Virtual-On with my twin sticks. It’s so amazing, thank you.

[burnt matrix]

You do an awesome job writing those articles. Thanks for getting me into the Saturn. You make retro gaming awesome for sharing your passion and love with the world.

[winter phoenix]

Thank you Robby 😭 I'm glad you're enjoying the Saturn so much now!

[gloomy hedge]

dang to play S.Rally with a wheel would be insane

I even have a sick sim wheel but yeah never even thought about that

dang

im jelly

[wise brook]

I intend to get a really good ps3/360 race wheel. something usb to work with all necessary cores

[hardy lodge]

@naive whale you mentioned a new version of the baroque translation for saturn in your vid, I can only find version 1.0 online. Which one is the new one?

[wise brook]

this is all on the sega extreme forum

yep, 1.0 is it. the whole newer translation might just be a reference to the previous menu only translation

[hardy lodge]

Alright, thanks. Then I'm at least all set up for halloween.

[next bronze]

I have the white Japanese wheel and the JP mission stick. Missing the big screw, so I took it from the GG battery pack (not like I'm going to use that thing).

[gloomy hedge]

im assuming my wheel would work but I just dont want to rip it out of my chair and set it up in my retro place of gaming

[serene thunder]

NegCon?

[stiff patrol]

@burnt matrix I Hate you Robby. Look what you made me do

[mortal mist]

😍

[gloomy hedge]

Three Dee

[kindred peak]

Look at all these new Saturn lovers. 🥳

[burnt matrix]

That is very nice.

[stiff patrol]

needs some UV light and plenty of IPA to kill whatever still lives on it

[winter phoenix]

Robby is the most influential figure in this community

[stiff patrol]

but he is repsonsible for making you have a Bethesda account to play Doom Eternal so he is dammed for all time

He came up with the idea one drunken lunchtime

[frail token]

He must be stopped

[stiff patrol]

I will start a Kickstarter to hire a Hitman

https://tenor.com/view/pete-waterman-hitman-and-her-hat-point-gif-12639652

This guy was on a TV show called the Hitman and her

I will get him

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/bret-hart-wink-bret-hart-bret-hitman-hart-hitman-wink-gif-21895554

[cursive turtle]

Saturn 3D pad rules

[naive whale]

DM me to remind me. Slammed busy today

[high bramble]

I didn't know SEGA made N64 controllers. Neat!

[drifting crown]

Ah so you won that auction with the last minute snipe. I backed out at £26.

[pearl harbor]

Pretty sure that is the latest version. It was released recently, so I'm sure that's what @naive whale was referring to.

[weary verge]

was there an update that fixed crt alignments?

[astral crane]

for me that was fixed a long ago

[wise brook]

since the 18th my dude

update all and you should be good

what ya thinking of playing?

[weary verge]

I was asking cause I noticed it was fixed and I didn't see there was a new update lol

I was testing twinkle star sprites I used to have a big black bar on the right

now its perfectly alligned

[wise brook]

nice nice. Saturn port have any additional content over AES?

[weary verge]

quite a bit

extra character, lots of added visual flair, an animated opening, full voice acting in the main arcade mode (ran's mode, not free select)
some altered gameplay mechanics (A new 'P' coin that builds a segement of meter upon successful pick up, you keep meter between rounds.)
Boss stages can show up on vs

also an extra disc with art and extras on it

the sfx took a hit but other than that it's solid

[weary verge]

I also grabbed one of the 8bitdo sega genesis/saturn 6 button style pad, it's way better than I thought it would be

[wise brook]

yes it's retired my retro-bit controllers

might get a 8bitdo conversion kit for an original grey Saturn controller too

[hardy lodge]

Well it's from july, so not exactly new in terms of internet time frames.

[stiff patrol]

Last 3 seconds ! No point Ebay bidding in any other way. If you bid early you just push the price as your opposition retaliates

[wise brook]

if ebay would just introduce the yahoo auctions method of adding time on to last minute bids

like how real auctions work

[stiff patrol]

while they dont last second bids are the most efficent way. No time for a counterbid. well unless you set a max before.

Humans are dumb. I ahve watched people on Auctions bid more than the new price because they get carried away and must win

[serene raven]

But who uses yahoo since the early 2000's

[wise brook]

glorious nihon

like right now

that's their auction site of choice

and where I get all my stuff

[serene raven]

Interesting

[drifting crown]

I had my price in mind and happily stopped then. I’ll get a 3d pad eventually

[gloomy hedge]

one thing I kinda miss

is looking at unstable nightlies for my saturn core

now I dont know when there's a new one 😦

shad

[alpine pagoda]

You’ll know there’s a new one when you look in here and there’s 300 new messages

[pearl harbor]

Or I could just go on for 300 messages about my love for Dragon Force and Magic Knight Rayearth.

[trim nimbus]

sigh, just noticed the retro-bit “saturn pro” controller doesn’t have analog triggers, so I guess it isn’t a full analog pad replacement

[gloomy hedge]

The triggers suck on the regular retrobit saturn

So I would honestly like not even buy it for that reason haha

I really don't know what that controller is for

If someone asked me if I wanted joycons on my Saturn pad, id be like .. no...

[trim nimbus]

well, the options for controllers with analog sticks, analog triggers and 6 face buttons is pretty much zero

I need to check and see if the hori fighting commander has analog triggers, that is starting to look like the best bet for a generic mister controller (other than dual stick compatibility)

[scenic snow]

Darn, what's the point of that

Lets make a hybrid controller from consoles that both had analog triggers. But let's exclude the analog triggers

[tidal marsh]

it has two sets of shoulder buttons too lol

[strong zephyr]

Welp, i think it’s focused on fighting game enthousiasts. The analogue sticks for navigation (or say for grapplers and easy/easier 360 motion) dual shoulder buttons also a blessing for sf4 and ultra ( one for 3x punch and one for 3x kick) or sf6 with parry and drive mechanics.

Oh and just laziness, now if you quickly wanna do another genre, no need to switch joypads 😅

[next bronze]

Hori Fighting Commander Octa doesn't have analog triggers. 😦

The second one for PS4 that also has a model for Switch and Xbox 360/One doesn't have them either

[sterile pond]

yeah the Hori FC pads do not have analog triggers, all 4 are digital buttons

[tiny flare]

That’s desirable for a controller designed for fighting games

Not so much as a stand-in for the 3D pad though, no

[weary verge]

I just got the 8bitdo m30 as a sub for a good saturn pad

I wasn't expecting it to have anything more or less

[mortal mist]

M30 is great ♥️

[weary verge]

claw grip with the a b c buttons feels really nice on it

[burnt matrix]

I prefer using the N64 controller myself on the Saturn core

[mortal mist]

N64 controller is the worst pad ever created

[hardy lodge]

N64 pad is only good for ps1 games. And for n64 you would want to use a wiimote, naturally.

[burnt matrix]

[pearl harbor]

I actually do feel that the N64 controller is a solid Saturn controller. Outside of no analog triggers, it's even a solid substitute for the Saturn 3D controller!

It has the 6 button layout. An excellent d-pad (fight me!), and an analog stick!

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-2775878942857993315

[pearl harbor]

Obviously I'd rather use actual Saturn controllers though.

Well not the original western Saturn controller...I'd legit rather use an N64 controller over that monstrosity.

[hardy lodge]

I agree with you, I'm just trying to annoy robby. 😄

[ocean oxide]

M30 fits perfect

[ocean oxide]

probably gonna order another M30 2.4g with usb adapter, or maybe Pro 2 version (or both)

[hardy lodge]

I've ordered a pro 2 yesterday, should be arriving monday

[ocean oxide]

just need to update gamepad in general

previous SN30 Pro+ after 4 years has left stick drift

[craggy scaffold]

Worse than nes max, sms, apple pippen?

Worse than DC?

[hardy lodge]

I'm just hoarding controllers. I'm planning to use the pro2 mainly for psx, as the layout seems similar to the dualshock 1.

[craggy scaffold]

Worse than Nuon?

[ocean oxide]

of course it is the same layout

[mortal mist]

Yes , the worst

[mortal mist]

The work of a mad scientist

https://tenor.com/view/n64-controller-gif-10381334

The work of evil

[craggy scaffold]

Are there games that need the stick and dpad at the same time? I'm not a big n64 person

I traded mine to a kid at school.

[hardy lodge]

You can play turok with dpad for walking and stick for aiming.

[mortal mist]

I am not a fan of n64 , but on this controller I play badly, I do not like it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[craggy scaffold]

Lol I want to try one of those controllers with the tiny joysticks.

[ocean oxide]

how about Atari Jaguar controller, or Amiga CD 32?

[craggy scaffold]

Yeah those look terrible too, but I guess the dpad and buttons are reachable?

I think ps1 and xbox/360 are worse than n64 but don't tell anybody.

Now i gotta check for CD32s on ebay. Thanks for the new obsession

Oof ~$150

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-iron-inception-gif-8972420

Anything is better than the n64 pad, anything , even an iron would be a better controller, I said

[hardy lodge]

I'll admit n64 controller is a bit weird but I actually like it. It just feels so right for zelda

[alpine pagoda]

Man I guess I need to find out where I left my cd32 controller

[sick python]

The Wiimote+Nunchuck actually work really well as an N64 controller replacement, and theres a good reason why:

using it now in Doom64 and works pretty well

[hardy lodge]

Btw about doom 64, how are you even supposed to hold the owm n64 controller? L+R are strafing, which would suggest holden the outer horns, but z is fire!

[craggy scaffold]

lol. Biggest mistake of my life.

[craggy scaffold]

you're sitting on a gold mine

[burnt matrix]

lol the outer horns. Thanks I hate it.

[hardy lodge]

What would you call it then? 😄

[burnt matrix]

I’ve said prongs, horns is way funnier though

[hardy lodge]

Sometimes you just have to grab the controller by the horns

[burnt matrix]

I found the best SEGA Saturn controller

[mortal mist]

finally something normal

[burnt matrix]

Sorry that was my fault lol

I actually use the cool pad, I love the design and colors:

[twin canyon]

robby tryna DERAIL nintendo talk and post SATURN crap over it. i see your every move.

[burnt matrix]

[twin canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/stonedapez-stonedapezsaturnclub-nft-bored-ape-gif-24250281

i went ahead and cancelled my saturn pro controller pre-order. that was after i looked at price and conversion. ROFL

shit cost a trillion and a buck. but i got one of them genesis controllers comin

the m30

[burnt matrix]

I think the idea is kinda neat but it looks ugly.

[mental folio]

Been using my m30 with the Saturn core, it’s been pretty good

[mortal mist]

words of wisdom

[burnt matrix]

The white m30 is

Looks like Japanese Saturn controller

[pearl harbor]

I actually created a solid control setup for it in the game's options that make it feel like more modern FPS controls.

I'd have to look up what my settings where though to remember what it was...😅

[hardy lodge]

I'm sure you can setup some good schemes, but what was the intent?!?!?!

[mortal mist]

Yes , I love my babies

[hardy lodge]

In europe we only have the black one. Even the 8bitdo website just links you to Amazon us.

[twin canyon]

ordered from ali. i could choose. i went back and forth but decided on the black.

[celest iris]

when in doubt i choose the one harder to lose

[pearl harbor]

Evil intent is the only logical conclusion.

[mortal mist]

I'm in Europe, but in our country quite a few stores have the white version for sale

[hardy lodge]

I'm in Germany, and Amazon only sells black. I didn't try much harder than looking there. 😅

[frail heath]

You should be able to find the white ones in Germany aswell, cause they recently started selling the white ones in Sweden and our availability on those kind of things are always worse than Germany from my experience

[burnt matrix]

The prince pad!

[high bramble]

You're so transparent.

[sick python]

To play on the Prince MiSTer!

[violet wolf]

Purple mame, puurple mame 🎶

[pearl harbor]

💜

[loud hare]

I have that one! Love the colors!

For some reason I thought I was in #controllers where that wouldn't be such an obvious one, lol

[tiny flare]

I too am a fan of that controller and its colours, although I also wish I had the transparent one

[fresh gale]

I agree #1046941029296779344 message

[pearl harbor]

I just have the standard black Saturn controller and black 3D Saturn controller. I'm so plain.

At least both are like brand new!

[tiny flare]

I think all the Saturn controller colour variations look awesome, even the grey one

[wise brook]

heads up, I swapped out my tiny battery holder for a cr2032 version.
deleted the core and bios file.

ran update all, put a clean Hitachi bios in the folder as boot.rom

and I still get asked for the date every time I boot the core and/or boot a game.

maddening

[tiny flare]

does the core even have support for date and time just yet?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I don’t think that’s been implemented yet.

[tiny flare]

pretty sure whenever I boot it just defaults to 1st of Jan 2022

although yeah it doesn't ever ask me, that sounds annoying

[burnt matrix]

lol apparently SEGA advertised Saturn games using a monkey called Segaru

[wise brook]

I might just make a fresh MiSTer install

it's been 4 years, so a spruce up might clean out some depreciated files and other crud

[high bramble]

I've refreshed my secondary MiSTer multiple times in the few months I've had it (just to keep knowledgeable about the process), but my original daily driver SD card (that now resides in my MiSTer Multisystem board) hasn't been refreshed for almost 5 years now. Just keeps getting updated and added to.

[burnt matrix]

lol Sega advertised the Saturn using a monkey called Segaru - https://x.com/kunta_/status/1707409834721824868?s=46&t=qZDZkf9otfQfj9v44WsIZA

https://x.com/kunta_/status/1707409840639754575?s=46&t=qZDZkf9otfQfj9v44WsIZA

[celest iris]

monkeys have tails

[polar geode]

http://stargood.org/trans/yumimi.php

[lavish wadi]

Quick question… was using the unstable script to pull down single and dual ram submissions. Now that the core is in the main update feed, I only see one. Does this core auto detect or is there another place one needs to pull the dual ram down from?

[mortal mist]

unfortunately there is no way to download dualsdram at the moment

[lavish wadi]

Thanks Kuba!

[mortal mist]

here is the dualsdram version, if you want to check

[lavish wadi]

Appreciate it very much!

[mortal mist]

maybe this will change in the future and the dualsdram version will also be available via update_all

[lavish wadi]

That would be great. Perhaps a in-core toggle 🤓 Just saw the Nuked-SMS core and am waiting for an rbf to be complied. Cool stuff for sure 👍

[mortal mist]

Nuked-SMS unstable core is available here #unstable-nightlies message

[scenic snow]

That's Mega Drive

[stiff patrol]

Dual should be supported as its listed as the Authors preferred version on github

[scenic snow]

Don't think it exist yet

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MegaDrive_MiSTer

it's based on Nuked

Nuked-MD port for MiSTer

called MegaDrive

[scenic snow]

Yes but the question was about the SMS core that was anounced yesterday

[mortal mist]

ahh it's something else

sorry 🙂

[scenic snow]

#fpga-platforms message

[mortal mist]

didn't pay attention to another name , sorry

[lavish wadi]

https://github.com/nukeykt/Nuked-SMS-FPGA

[mortal mist]

yeah, thanks!

and apologies for misleading

[lavish wadi]

Although.. was confused too as I thought it might just be baked into the MD core. No worries at all Kuba

What does it take to bake things on Git into working rbf files?

[stiff patrol]

Quartus

you compile the source to a RBF

[lavish wadi]

Hmmm… that would be a good video for VGE or PCN

[stiff patrol]

no it would be a disaster

[lavish wadi]

LMFAO!

[stiff patrol]

with a whole bunch of people doing it wrong or releasing half finished cores

[lavish wadi]

True

[stiff patrol]

or hacking cores to add speedups etc etc

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is the link to Quartus

[lavish wadi]

Sounds reasons not to for sure

[stiff patrol]

Its not hard to compile the things

that quartus link is free

[lavish wadi]

Thank you! I just don’t want to be a taker

[stiff patrol]

it does like powerful machines to get the compile times down

its free

[lavish wadi]

I mean, the person begging for rbf files

[stiff patrol]

and if you ever want to do FPGA its a good way to see how the existing stuff works

[waxen vortex]

Has that been taken down as I can't see it?

[mortal mist]

as you can see from the posts above I was wrong

I confused the cores

[versed violet]

He guys, great news : I can now fully enjoy the Mister-Saturn core !
My 4 chips 128Mb SDRAM was stable only up to 90Mhz and i ordered a 2 chips 128Mb SDRAM v2.9 from AV because my Mister stack needs a reversed SDRAM version.
And now it rocks. Looks like stable to 145Mhz (further RAM tests required to confirm) and all games that are supposed to be compatibble with the actual core are working nicely, including noises and musics that i could hear for the first time ! Thanks for the advices !

[burnt matrix]

It’s been over a week. You’re slacking with your updates.

[mortal mist]

I hope everything is ok with srg320 ☹️

[frail token]

I'm sure it is I wouldn't worry

[gloomy hedge]

So what did you do differently?

[versed violet]

i just changed my SDRAM to a version 2.9 with 2 chips. I had the old AV original old slow 4 chips version. That's it.
PS: i ordered the new 2 chips version from Antonio after some mail exchanges with him.
Therefore if you have Antonio stack and want to enjoy the Saturn core, you need to check you SDRAM : if it is a 4 Chips old version, you must replace it to a newer 2 Chips version still from Antonio because of the reversed PCB needed on his stack.

[gloomy hedge]

Interesting 🤔

No idea where I stand in that lol 😆

Well either way - awesome!

Thanks for the info 😊

[versed violet]

You just need to perform a "RAM Test" under the "Utilities" menu. Let it do its job, and come back some time later (10min to 2 hours for instance) and see on what frequency it stops and still runs.
Mine was down to 90 MHz that was very bad for the Saturn core. explaining all my crashes, lack of sound and non booting ROMs.. guys here say that over 140MHz is perfect for that core.

[gloomy hedge]

Mine is 140

Lol or so

But I still have music issues on certain games last I checked

I'll just wait

err 145?

I know this is early in the process

Old picture

[versed violet]

you need to list the music issue games here, so others can check on their Mister if they get the same issues too

145 is the frequency tested. The Red number are the errors registered. Shjould stay at Zero to qualify the frequency tested. In automatic mode it will step down the frequency after the first error found.

the green number is incremented after each test done. you need to let it run for a long time to qualify the RAM Max Frequency 30min, 1h, 2h .... it that range to simulate a game session maybe

a bit like a "Max Torque / Max Speed" long duration test to qualify an engine (usually up to 800h, depends on OEMs)

[tawny forge]

145Mhz+ should have no sound issues

Below that cd audio may cut out eventually

[gloomy hedge]

did not let it run for that long