Sega Saturn

[serene thunder]

Also SEGA arcade-y stuff like DecAthlete

I think some of these games are 480i though

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, in general sega was on fire for the Saturn generation— if they made it it will most likely be worth playing.

Guess that can be said across most of segas consoles though.

[tiny prairie]

Sega Rally, Daytona USA (yes even the first version, which I still say is better than CCE)

Virtual On, Soukyugurentai if you like shmups, same with Radiant Silvergun though the core does weird dial-up noises from time to time

Agree with the whole 'If Sega made it then it's good' thing especially with the Saturn.

[serene thunder]

Unsure about VF Kids tho

[tiny prairie]

Play that one as a curiosity i'd say

[serene thunder]

SEGA Ages series has some of those scaler arcade games which seem to be troubling core devs

[drifting frigate]

VF Kids is so jank it's almost interesting for 5 minutes, for sure. But yeah...

It's not something I'd be throwing in frequently. It's odd because it all feels like it's just...off. The physics don't match the models.

[trim nimbus]

Outrun on Saturn was the best way to play for years- best way on mister because it supports 60fps.

https://segaretro.org/Sega_Ages_OutRun/Hidden_content

[tiny prairie]

That's one thing I haven't tried actually - Does Power Drift work on the saturn core?

[serene thunder]

That game is jank for sure

I'm into Galaxy Force II tho

[tiny prairie]

Oh damn, didn't even see that got a Saturn launch, I loved the MD port

[plush jetty]

Not sure who’s into improvement hacks but there’s a Batsugun with the arranged soundtrack from the Switch release for Saturn

[pearl harbor]

Dragon Force is a strategy RPG that is unlike any game in the genre. It's also the best game on the Saturn.

You also can't go wrong with Magic Knight Rayearth

[pearl harbor]

It does, but it has problems. The screen rotation effect doesn't work at all yet on the core.

[astral crane]

cof cof cof radiant "terms"

[violet wolf]

You can't load .chd files?

[pearl harbor]

It does support CHD. Just need the latest unstable main.

[violet wolf]

Thanks, guess I downloaded the wrong one

You mean latest unstable build of mister?

[pearl harbor]

Yes, unstable MiSTer main.

[tranquil mulch]

Playing Bug for the first time right now and it is an experience

[twin canyon]

i tried cotton

[tranquil mulch]

yeah i will be uploading that soon onto my hdd

[violet wolf]

So cool but the screen is very off center

[tiny prairie]

What's the easiest way for me to convert ccd/img to bin/cue without paying for something i'm only gonna use once or twice

[ancient surge]

Bug is the video game of all time.

[tranquil mulch]

There are things to like about it

it just feels like a bad Western animation studio put it together

[plush jetty]

Err, if you’re converting, should be to .chd via chdman

[violet wolf]

How do you name the bios files? I have the japanese as boot.rom and the us as boot1.rom but only jap stuff works

[tiny prairie]

Can I do that straight from ccd/img/sub? looks like I can do bin/cue but that's it?

[plush jetty]

I think chdman handles all those to convert to chd

[astral crane]

That's fixed weeks ago, old version?

[violet wolf]

#unstable-nightlies message
It was this one, might've started the wrong version then nvm

[astral crane]

I was playing right now and it's fine to me, component over vga

[violet wolf]

I probably tried the one that comes with automatic update then

[supple vine]

For me, Radiant Silvergun music still goes away around the time the 1st level boss appears, sometimes earlier, sometimes later.

[old pasture]

I grabbed a bunch of CHD games. Is there anything special required to get them to run?
I'm currently at work, so can't mess around with stuff

Some people on the channel are saying they're having issues

Getting CHDs to load/work

[celest iris]

I am sure it will work better on MARS, don’t worry!

[drifting crown]

Mister unstable is required I believe

[tranquil mulch]

I always wanted to play Sonic World on Sonic Jam and it is really awesome

Like I would play a whole game like this

[old pasture]

Thanks, I'm on unstable, maybe the people in comments were in main, most likely they were

[plush jetty]

And you need core version that’s at least 11 Oct

[old pasture]

I hadn't tested myself, so didn't wanna answer incorrectly

[old pasture]

Has that been compiled and made available here yet?
Edit - Ignore this ☝️

I'm pretty sure the last one in unstable nightlies is 04th

Edit - and this ☝️😂

Gonna double check now

Got it, I'll make sure I'm on this, if not already

[warped saddle]

the unstable core isn't required for chd

the only core change for chd was to change the menu to say 'bin, chd'. it will load them without that change

(main forces looking for chds even if the confstr does't have it)

[old pasture]

Thanks Zakk

[plush jetty]

whoops, I stand corrected!

[tight zinc]

dang, chdman can really peg out some cores when compressing

[serene thunder]

Starting with PSX and Saturn, fullsets become irksome

I had to finally relent and start culling

[celest iris]

1g1r

[serene thunder]

Minus sports and children's games

That'll remove some bloat

[violet wolf]

No, you need every version of street fighter 2 ever made

You will pry my 100 iterations of tetris from my cold dead sd card

[serene thunder]

Yeah, I play every sports game yearly installment
One after another
Oh, the fun

[violet wolf]

I google the best for each sport but I'm not even kidding myself, I'll never play an nfl title

[tall radish]

well, there are some good sports games that hold up. Very few, but some.

[violet wolf]

400mb good tho? I just feel silly when I start adding playstation cricket, it just becomes something you scroll past

[tall radish]

snes: hals hole in one golf, neogeo: turf masters, windjammers. few bowling games.

[frail token]

I need a list for Saturn like the one we have for PS1

[tall radish]

I'm also in the camp of less is more. I only add games one at a time. Scrolling through a list puts me to sleep.

[violet wolf]

I go through retro sanctuary tops and reddit threads and disregard ports, sport and endless swathes of fighting games, had to restart after trying a no intro playstation

[tall radish]

You also gotta recognize there are two groups of games.

[violet wolf]

It was mind-numbing having that many nfl games

[tall radish]

Games worth playing and beating. Games worth playing more than one play through.

[violet wolf]

I played through pepsi man so it's enough if it's a bit unique and quick

[tall radish]

I feel like I would have to be paid to beat such a game. Like on a live stream or something. I did like sneak king though... It was original.

[tall radish]

Seriously though, just bored, or you stream yourself beating games?

[violet wolf]

Lol it had live action stuff and some endless runner thing going on, I thought it was a bit cool, it's clearly the predecessor to the kind of running games you see people playing on mobile today

[tall radish]

interesting

[violet wolf]

It's funny how contrived every scenario is, you can only fix things by serving a pepsi, I'll keep playing if there's a stupid hook tbh

[tall radish]

It would be funny to find such a game some where. Make the best game the world had ever seen. Put it behind some weird easter egg, in an old 8 bit looking game.

[violet wolf]

Yea that's what kept me playing lsd dream simulator tbh, was trying to find some genius scenario hidden away in the abstract nonsense stuff

Pretty sure it's obscure bullshit all the way through but there's some logic at least

[tall radish]

Closest to that would have been 7 days 2 die. At that motel.

[serene thunder]

@tall radish
I grab a few of the Best-rated sports game when putting together filez
And I always keep eyes out for arcadey sports

Heck, I'll still play Golf on the Famicom Disk System

And if you can combine sports with sci-fi and/or combat
Now I'm really onboard

[violet wolf]

Yea I did really enjoy megaman soccer tbh

[tall radish]

hal's hole in one is the oldest golf, I go currently. I never played a lot of them on nes.

[drifting frigate]

Legitimately a masterwork of a game.

[drifting frigate]

Oh, and it's gone.

And it's back

[serene thunder]

Better image quality

I try hard for you all

[tall radish]

I mean obviously she sells it. I gotta put it up against all the golf games I have. You pick the ones that are most fun. Rotate as needed when they get old.

[serene thunder]

I'm more curious about the ninja golf opponent with the panflute

[drifting frigate]

Kirby's Dream Course, which is almost not a golf game, is fantastic as well.

[serene thunder]

I sadly sold that game CIB (Yui)
It would have been nice for my little MD game library

[violet wolf]

I do also enjoy the sport games which are exclusively enjoyed by people normally not playing sport games, or anything fronted my mario might work

[trim nimbus]

Saturn has one benefit for sports— massive multiplayer sessions. One of the basketball games lets you fill out both teams with local players.

[serene thunder]

And if we include "Sports Entertainment", well then I don't need to mention all the fun wrasslin games

[buoyant flint]

Still no support for external hdd loading?

[astral crane]

I'm using usb HDD for the last year

[buoyant flint]

You can load saturn games from external?

[astral crane]

Yeap

I have the games folder on the external hdd

[native dagger]

I use cifs

[astral crane]

cifs works too

[buoyant flint]

my bad it seems the mister isnt recognising my ext hdd.. ill need to look into it, thx

[umbral bluff]

Then 3.0 is ok for saturn I guess

[astral crane]

2tb has space to all fullsets (consoles)

[umbral bluff]

Reverse ram board ? Which Mister do you own ?

oasis ?

[umbral bluff]

I agree but sadly at the moment there's no 2 TB micro sd for that (for portability purposes

[serene thunder]

I think there are 3D printed solutions for adding a 2.5" drive into the MiSTer stack

I don't like working with Micro SD and heaps of data

Usually try a bog standard 2.5" 5400 RPM HDD first

But I think you might get some small issues
Like I can hear itty bitty dropouts on PCE CD redbook sometimes
Been meaning to test again

If it doesn't work out, you can always find a use for 2.5" drives

[buoyant flint]

Yep, it seemed my usb hub was unplugged. I didnt realise, saturn core working with ext hdd now.. redump set is about 700gb of CHD's 😉

[lavish wadi]

1337x has a good 1G1R Saturn Collection

[buoyant flint]

I converted my own, from the latest redump set. This way I know its pure and up to date 😉

[lavish wadi]

Roger that! 🤓 Perhaps it will help the lazy ones 👍

[buoyant flint]

Im sure it will 🙂

[lavish wadi]

So.. I updated my Saturn cores, stable and unstable, but I don’t see .CHD / still shows .CUE - I am running unstable, but am unsure where to snag the forked version while we wait for the official implementation

[buoyant flint]

I'm pretty sure the stable still loads chds even though it doesn't mention it. Try it

[lavish wadi]

Also, update_all brought down two “Saturn” cores, but they aren’t labeled dual/single

[lavish wadi]

Will do!

[burnt matrix]

It’s likely your unstable core and the core that’s now part of main

[lavish wadi]

I use the old script, that brings down the “single/dual unstable” but when update all was ran, I got two “Saturn”… I will delete the .rbf’s and try again tonight 🤓 - Thanks Robby

[native dagger]

Corey Haim looking like Rick Moranis

[lavish wadi]

Honey I did the drugs!

[buoyant flint]

Saturn_20231010.rbf - Stable
Saturn_20231011.rbf - Beta

I can confirm both cores play CHD's.

The Stable version will mention only CUE & BIN, but when you select CUE you can launch CHD's
Beta version will mention CUE,CHD and obviously launches CHD as well 🙂

[vivid depot]

Hi, Where can I download the core that has the crt corrections? I checked nightlies and I dont see it. Thank you

[kind stump]

Check the pins for the latest

#1046941029296779344 message

[vivid depot]

thank you

[sinful jay]

Every time I attempt to launch a CHD it says the disc door is open. I have no issue loading bin/cue files. Any idea how to get around that?

[open glen]

do you have the latest mister?

#unstable-nightlies message

[pearl harbor]

Whoa, I forgot about that game! I remember reading up on it a long time ago. I'll have to give it a try.

[sinful jay]

I though I did but I guess I don’t. I will have to download it and try it. Thanks!

[eternal wasp]

Man I wish the CHDs for Saturn were on gamepacks already. LOL I'm being impatient.

[tidal marsh]

https://www.retrorgb.com/new-saturn-3d-analog-usb-adapter.html

would be very cool if someone could make a bluetooth adaptor like this... cmon 8bitdo

https://www.retrorgb.com/saturns-3d-control-pad-has-gone-wireless.html

wait someone did!

[drifting frigate]

Nobody would have called HIM being the first Corey to go...

[serene thunder]

Feldzombie

Shambles on

[drifting frigate]

Remember that nothingburger of a payperview he did a few years ago? "Naming names" and then naming the 3 people he'd already accused a few years earlier... I thought it was great. People paying to watch what they thought was going to be a freakshow then just getting network errors and old news.

FMVs are still just a historical treasure trove of amazing appearances by people you'd never expect. Frankenstein: Through the Eyes of the Monster on Saturn is incredible.Tully Bodine on Sega CD. Just great stuff.

[serene thunder]

Goonies money sustains him

[drifting frigate]

"Rich Stuff"
"You can just call it 'money' Gamgee."

[serene thunder]

Saturn has your FMV needs covered

[drifting frigate]

Anyone else convinced that Chris Parnell is in Lunacy as the cell mate at the beginning? Speaking of... no credits exist for the English voice cast anywhere that I can tell.

[serene thunder]

Ohno, the photo of game CDs has been deemed too explicit

OK, that worked

Alas, it's unlikely we will get the Video Card addon in the core
That would open up VCD watchin'

I would rip my VCD of Ong Bak finally

[solemn compass]

so I'ma start scrolling up too but I don't see in the readme where we're supposed to put bios

[stiff patrol]

/games/Saturn

boot.rom

[solemn compass]

tyty

[wet hull]

Good movie

[solemn compass]

I'm noticing I'm a little left-aligned on analog out. VGA > BNC > PVM

seems like there's not much to be done with current settings, looks great HDMI > VGA into a PC CRT I have

[mortal mist]

@solemn compass did you check the test core 20231011 ?

#1046941029296779344 message

[rose knot]

sorry, i swapped main MiSTer with v231013 build, and also using latest unstable saturn v231004 (single sdram), but i don't see the option to open CHD. only CUE as before

[warped saddle]

just choose a chd file

[runic ridge]

Hi guys, are you also experiencing this ?

• With the Saturn_20231013.rbf core, the image on CRT is finally centered, no more left shift but, many games that work in the previous version are crashing after booting on the loading screen, like Daytona, Decathlete, etc.

• Saturn_20231010.rbf seems to be much more compatible, but the screen is shifted to the left on many games ( not all of them )

I'm using the analog board connected via VGA->ScartRGB to a Sony TV. Single SDRAM, tested for 1 hour at 144 mhz.

[mortal mist]

there is no core 20231013 m only 20231011

[rose knot]

they do not show. the directory im pointing it at is full of working chd 🙂

[stiff patrol]

@runic ridge is the ram chip a 4 chip or 2 chip ?

[runic ridge]

Sure there is, I found it posted here, it's a fork:

https://github.com/MiSTer-DB9/Saturn_MiSTer/tree/main/releases

[mortal mist]

it;s fork

not official repo

#1046941029296779344 message

here is the latest core

[runic ridge]

Alright, so there is an official that fixed the CRT left shift ?

[stiff patrol]

Mike S has them on his github

[mortal mist]

@runic ridge #1046941029296779344 message

[stiff patrol]

https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole

[warped saddle]

I would double check you actually are running that version of main. you can check in menu core

[runic ridge]

got it, and already tested 20231011, works fine. Are there any news about the very low audio volume ? On analog, you need to raise the volume so much to hear something, so it gets lots of analog noise as well.

[mortal mist]

yes there are problems with the sound

this is a known problem

it's still a beta version

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

here are the bugs listed

[faint flicker]

Is then dual RAM build still different from the single ram one? Why not add both variants to the official releases?

Could not find any info on this in the pinned messages. Also in the pinned messages the FAQ still says thats chd is not supported

[tawny forge]

I think Saturn core release didn’t even had an official announcement anywhere? Super weird!

This core deserved more! Starting by @burnt matrix fixing pins here

[stiff patrol]

CHD needs the Unstable Mister Main

[mortal mist]

it's still a beta though , apparently there was some reason for it to appear as an official release

[burnt matrix]

Sure thing, how can I help?

[tawny forge]

Just kidding! Haha! But yeah, it looks like some pins need work here!

CHD is supported now and it just needs unstable main, for example

[stiff patrol]

zero point pinning that

as it will change sson

[faint flicker]

So any idea why we only have the single ram build in the downloader?

[stiff patrol]

thats not a core issue. Thats an update all issue

[faint flicker]

Is it? I thought downloader is pure official and update_all is more what theY is deciding to add.

Like theY is not alone deciding about downloader because it's official?

[stiff patrol]

whoeve make the release database decides what goes in

so its a downloade / update all issue

[burnt matrix]

Ok cool, thank you. Sorry been out on vacation for the past week. Currently on the road heading back home.

[tawny forge]

Safe travel buddy

[burnt matrix]

Thank you. I updated the pins, let me know if they covered it or if anything else needs to be fixed.

Genuine thanks for you pinging me about it. It’s awesome to have support like that when things slip through the cracks. You rock, my friend.

[plush jetty]

That solved it for me

[misty raven]

the pin still seems to be confusing, you don't need to download the linked Saturn core for chd support, just run update_all to get the latest Saturn core AND ALSO be running the latest unstable version of mister main.

which is to say this part is unnecessary

For the latest unstable with CHD support, go here - ⁠mister-cores⁠Sega Saturn

[twin canyon]

why can't you just make it easy on yourself like i do and keep two sets

i also keep a zipped, a rar and a 7zip'd set

i also have one set where the folders and letters are all in caps

[native dagger]

If you haven't stored one in a safe deposit box what are you even doing?

[twin canyon]

i have. i know what i'm doing.

[violet wolf]

Sure let me just get the key to my sd card room where I grow my sd cards that I use to fill my tub for my daily sd card bath

[hardy lodge]

I got separate micro sd and micro sd to sd card adapter trees.

[violet wolf]

That's sick, you only need 1 adapter

[twin canyon]

snac enters chat

[hardy lodge]

Just found out yesterday the boot.bin is now boot.rom and loads automatically. This is great.

[umbral bluff]

What is exactly this ?

[sharp drum]

I couldn’t change the file name from .bin to .rom when I quickly tried, can someone tell me how to do that?

[hardy lodge]

What exactly is the issue? Right click, rename.

[old pasture]

How to load CHD games on MiSTer main?
Thanks in advance

[hardy lodge]

Are you plugging the sd card into the pc? Check if you have show known file extensions enabled. Should be explorer options or some such.

[sharp drum]

Yeah, SD card into the pc. I’ll try again later 🙂

[old pasture]

won't boot on stable mister only with unstable

[earnest ginkgo]

Hi all, I've updated using update_all, and it has grabbed the Saturn core from the 4th of October. I'm on the latest unstable_main (13th of October). No CHD option in the core that update_all grabbed. Is this something I will need to manually install?

[old pasture]

is workingh on latest unstable coe and OS for me

[earnest ginkgo]

Does update_all grab the latest unstable of the Saturn core? I'm assuming not in this case

[old pasture]

I think you need MiSTer unstable for it to work, at least in my case

[hardy lodge]

Thats the latest saturn core which works for me with chd #unstable-nightlies message

[earnest ginkgo]

Yep I'm on the latest MiSTer unstable, dated form the 13th of this month

[hardy lodge]

Together with the unstable of course. You just put the chd file in the saturn folder and it should show up when you load a game

[earnest ginkgo]

Cool cheers. I'm wondering though, where is update_all grabbing the Saturn core from, and I assume wherever it is it isn't the latest unstable version of said core?

[hardy lodge]

Dunno, didn't use update_all much since saturn and n64 games are playable on unstable.

[old pasture]

im using 04th Oct core

[mortal mist]

The latest official saturn core is 20231010

[old pasture]

not via update all

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

Only unstable mister main is needed for chd to work

[earnest ginkgo]

Ah, cool, cheers folks. Does it take long for update_all to see the latest Saturn core updates?

[mortal mist]

Upadte all downloads 20231010

The latest

[earnest ginkgo]

Actually, it IS working. I thought the core menu would show mention of *.chd as well as cue etc. It doesn't. CHD files are slectable and runnable though from the *.cue menu, so all is well.

[earnest ginkgo]

Hmm, I'll check that again so

[mortal mist]

Use unstable mister main with the latest core (Video offset fix) #unstable-nightlies message

[hardy lodge]

Any reason I can't find that in the unstable nightlies threat?

[mortal mist]

I have no idea , this core is as official as you can see in Mister's official repo

[earnest ginkgo]

Yep I'm on the latest main_unstable, matching dates. Update_all is in fact grabbing the latest version, I just wasn't seeing it as my names.txt wasn't affecting the new core and I was selecting the old core! My bad there

[old pasture]

I just found a new favourite lol

[hardy lodge]

This core is not finished yet, is it? Sure it's pretty far along but not finished.

[mortal mist]

it's beta

public beta

someone decided to release core in this state , apparently there is a reason, certainly the bugs found will help to improve core

I think srg320 would have trouble checking everything , it's a very complex system with many games

[hardy lodge]

I wonder when n64 will be in update all. Doesn't seem too far behind saturn.

[earnest ginkgo]

All working here now, update_all grabbing the correct core, names.txt fixed to detect the new core's name and display it as needed, and chd files running away perfectly. Thanks all!

[earnest ginkgo]

It already is no?

[hardy lodge]

I never used update all since I assumed the saturn and n64 are still separate because they're in development.

[earnest ginkgo]

I used it there to test the new Saturn build, and it pulled down todays N64 test build

[mortal mist]

maybe there is an option for test core

But the N64 did not have an official release

[earnest ginkgo]

What's the story with 2-disc Saturn CHD files? Does the second disc/chd go into the same folder as the first disc/chd? Does it have to be named as Disc 2 or anything?

[frail token]

I don't know how the core is currently but ultimately they both go in a folder with the game name and put "Disc 1" etc. at the end

[mortal mist]

the name is not important, two discs should be in the same folder

[earnest ginkgo]

Thanks chaps, transferring from my NAS now. A roughly 50% space save, nice!

[hardy lodge]

I converted all my disc based bin/cue to chd this weekend since now all systems I'm interested in support it. My ps1 collection went down from 100gb to 60gb.

[earnest ginkgo]

Indeed, it's well worth doing, there's considerable space savings to be had

[hardy lodge]

It's also handier when you want to have uniform naming schemes, as you can just rename a chd but bin/cue are more complicated.

[umbral bluff]

Pulirula saturn version ?

[old pasture]

Bingo!

[frail token]

wait until you see how much Ikaruga compresses lol

[hardy lodge]

Vagrant story also compresses insanely well. Almost made me think my dump was corruptet.

[crystal bison]

Is there a handy guide somewhere for which ram cartridge goes to which game? Right now I'm just guess and checking

[burnt matrix]

Thanks! I updated the Your Questions Answered pin but missed that one. It’s from a few days ago when there was a chd specific build.

[frail token]

Exactly

[burnt matrix]

I disagree

[frail token]

You know what

[zinc vine]

dont get hhd get ssd low power consumption

[burnt matrix]

Ok I agree

[frail token]

Yeah, that's right

[hardy lodge]

How would a saturn core run on mars anyway? It's way bigger and has rings.

[umbral bluff]

I was curious about this message , is it true that if someone buy a 2 c sdram you could use the 4 chips as the 2nd sdram for dual ram purposes in the future ? Or both sdram must need to be same type ?

[stiff patrol]

Its Mike S Repo that has his special YC cores

[umbral bluff]

What are 'YC Cores' ? what does YC stand for ?

[kind stump]

YC should work in the unstable mister / saturn builds

[stiff patrol]

4 Chip is a failed design. Its best not to use it at all

[kind stump]

Y/C = S-Video / Composite

Y-Luminance, C-Chrominance, Y/C is the technical signals for S-Video

[umbral bluff]

Why exactly is a failed design ?

[stiff patrol]

Its time to write it off as a bad experience. You may well be able to use it as a 2nd ram but every time something failed it may be the 4 chip

[stiff patrol]

One that doesnt work

as can be seen by the Saturn core

It was marginally cheaper to make

it worked ok for lesser demanding cores

it doesnt work at the extreme ends

You have asked the same question all weekend and got the same answer. You either write it off or not. If you choose not then you may never be playing the saturn core. But there may be a miracle and a fix its impossible to know

[hardy lodge]

How can I see which ram I have? Saturn runs fine on mine.

[stiff patrol]

count the chips on the module

2 is standard sold by nearly everybody and works

4 is non standard sold by 1 seller and is not good for compatability

[hardy lodge]

I have 2!

[stiff patrol]

Almost everybody does

Although if you read back all the people with a lot of issues have 4

[hardy lodge]

Those poor souls

[stiff patrol]

should pin that !

[pale estuary]

Is analog out for this core pushed way to the left for anyone else? Using composite

[stiff patrol]

use Mike S cores

https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole

The core is also not finished

[hardy lodge]

That 4chip wouldn't even fit my case!

[mortal mist]

this is anti 4c security 🙂

But seriously, I feel sorry for people who, having bought a 4C in the past, now have problems

[hardy lodge]

I'm glad my mister worked out so well, only major change I'll do is when I get my hands on a rt4k. I heard there is a way to get the original video out of the hdmi and directly into the the rt4k. For extra good 4k scaling.

[idle temple]

Does the core support lightguns?

[mortal mist]

not yet

[thorn pagoda]

hopefully soon, some great lightgun games on saturn

[pearl harbor]

Can't wait for that lightgun support. I need me some Virtua Cop and House of the Dead.

I just ordered a guncon 3 last week and some IR emitters for it from Misteraddons.

[idle temple]

I got this 2 weeks ago

I have dual guncon3s going

It’s great

[thorn pagoda]

saturn lightguns are a bit more complex/timing sensitive then psx ones

[inner token]

not sure if that's true

[idle temple]

Saturn was my ultimate hope so, I will hope for the best

[pearl harbor]

My only concern is that I have to sit very close to my 55inch TV since it's in a pretty small room. So I hope the IR emitters work well enough at that distance.

[thorn pagoda]

actually yeah, they're more like the konami justifier than the gcon45 though

[inner token]

yeah they're like the justifier. I have one that works on both systems

[violet wolf]

Is lightgun stuff more difficult to do on a pvm? You always need an rca port?

[thorn pagoda]

only the gcon45 / gcon2 needs that

and a pvm usually makes it even easier since they have passthrough ports, you can tap the sync from any signal, svideo/composite/rgb whichever

[inner token]

gc1 does too

[thorn pagoda]

yeah sorry, gcon45 = gcon1

[violet wolf]

For what kind of gun? Was hoping for a universal kind for as many cores as possible tbh

[thorn pagoda]

the gcon2 is the only one that works on many cores

[idle temple]

My setup. 86” but I’m probably 12 ft away

[inner token]

oh sorry, yeah don't know all the lingo 🙂

[idle temple]

Those sensors from misteraddons are perfect though and this thing absolutely smokes on psx. Point blank series is our favorite and it’s frantic fun that never gets old.

[wise brook]

gun4ir, Virtua Cop and my oled are gonna make for a wonderful evening

[violet wolf]

I'm too lazy to make it work, someone just bring whatever stuff is necessary so I can sit in my office chair and shoot zombies

[versed violet]

problem to scrap my 4C SDRAM and replace it with a 2C 2.9 version standard fromat RAM is that i need then to scrap the whole Mister stack form AV and build a new one while just keeping the DE10 Nano board .... a bit of a waste

[stiff patrol]

true but the 4 chip is not a good design

[versed violet]

this is clear now

[stiff patrol]

its unfortunate that you are in this situation

but if you can easily dump the 4 chip then thats the best course of action

[versed violet]

BTW when i baught it in 2022, there was no other vendors with stock

[stiff patrol]

I would have of waited

but we live and learn

[celest iris]

sucks that it is like a $150-200 mistake

[stiff patrol]

I would write to AV and ask how it can be replaced by a 2 chip

maybe he will help out and design a 2chip that fits

[celest iris]

i think retrocastle would be the easiest swap, and i realize the irony in recommending another third-party solution

[stiff patrol]

Retrocastle does offer great support though

and uses a standard 2 chip ram

[celest iris]

and takes standard ram, exactly

people have been warning people off antonio for years, but it's always chalked up to meanness or whatever

so much of his stuff is nonstandard and requires separate builds, it is just ridiculous

[stiff patrol]

the whole DB9 forks for example

As soon as you need Custom builds you are reliant on somone keeping the forks up todate

[idle temple]

Does the 8bitdo sega Saturn m30 2.4ghz wireless work on mister?

[mortal mist]

yes

[misty raven]

you can turn on Mike's YC Core downloader in update_all to get automatic updates for YC cores that are in beta or that haven't been updated yet

[pearl harbor]

Are there any USB controllers that don't work on MiSTer?

Every one that I've tried has always worked like a charm.

[frail token]

Probably

[mortal mist]

all the ones I've tried are working 😄

[tiny flare]

someone just before posted in #controllers about one that doesn’t work. I needed to merge a patch for the NSO N64 to work via USB

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I've thrown quite a few at the MiSTer, and everything just works like....

[tiny flare]

I’m sure there will be others…

[pearl harbor]

Was thinking of buying the Saturn SNAC adapter, but looks like it's sold out at Misteraddons.

Would love to use my old 3D contoller on the core.

[wise brook]

my 2nd MiSTer's clock battery must have died.
saturn core keeps asking for d/t... which is very accurate to the original hardware experience for a lit of gamers

[tiny flare]

Guessing it’s not on the network?

[wise brook]

pretty sure if the MiSTer main is getting its date and time currently with its wifi connection tho...

[wise brook]

nah, confirmed online

[mortal mist]

it's bug

[misty raven]

it should be able to pull date/time from the network

[mortal mist]

I have a good time with the battery , and core still has wrong

[wise brook]

indeed. my itx MiSTer can/does

[tiny flare]

Yeah, that’s odd

Haven’t seen that happen with the core on my setup, which had no RTC, just relying on time from the internet

[wise brook]

it's all updated. and some unstable extras to make sure it's on the same page as my main MiSTer

doing some experiments

dual output. 15khz & 32khz

bios as boot.rom

nothing out of the ordinary

odd, very odd

might just be the battery

[misty raven]

I've never had a Saturn, how do you get to the clock settings? Just curious.

[wise brook]

on 1st boot the console would prompt you.
if the battery clock ran dry it would prompt you on boot every time until the battery was replaced

[dense hill]

is it on the core when you boot?

[wise brook]

ye

[mortal mist]

I can't set the time in the core, the date is 1.01.2022

[wise brook]

want me to walk you thru the steps

1st boot the core with any game.
press a,b,c&start once or twice to force the game to close back to the bios dashboard.

select the top middle icon.

select the bottom left text box

if you haven't set the core to usa it'll likely be in Japanese

[drifting crown]

My cheap ass play Sega usb controller isn’t detected at all. It sucks.

[untold lintel]

You can use BNC to RCA adapters to do it off the back of the PVM, but if you’re SNAC PSX, all the adapters have a breakout built in

[violet wolf]

Yea should be doable, just wondering if I want it on a 17 inch monitor, need to think about which gun/screen/game combination I'm interested in

Was always fascinated by lightgun games at the arcade but was kind of bored with the wii house of the dead, don't want to get instantly tired of a lightgun if I get it

[gloomy hedge]

yes but its not the misters fault, my victrix pro fs does not work

it uses some weird windows / xbox one shit

but yeah mister hates it

brook adapters dont work on the Victrix either

unless it works now, I tried it like a long time ago...

but I doubt it

[untold lintel]

Guncon2 via USB is the best overall option for all cores, but Guncon1 over SNAC is a lot better tracking. PS1 has by far the best selection of light gun games on mister, Saturn will have a decent number once it gets rolled out

[tall radish]

Ok quick question. How do I close the “cd lid” in the Saturn core. I load the Chd file and it just goes to the bios screen and asks me to close the cd lid. Help plz!

[mortal mist]

Are you using unstable mister main?

#unstable-nightlies message

[tall radish]

No. Where do put that file?

[tall radish]

No where do I put that file?

[mortal mist]

rename the file to MiSTer -> media/fat/

[pearl harbor]

Just you wait. Before long, you'll be as unstable as the rest of us!

[tall radish]

Ok thx!

[ancient surge]

@old pasture Saw your video about CHDs not working. You need both the unstable MiSTer build and unstable SEGA Saturn CHD builds to run them. If you don't, they won't be detected.

[old pasture]

I got them working in the video in what you mention.
It just didn't work in the stable main and core obtained via update all combo

[umbral bluff]

I've dissembled my Mister that's the 4 C ram , for the 2 c ram owners how much width does your ram have ?

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[old pasture]

Oops, did you mean the video I posted here, or the one that just released on YT?

[mortal mist]

20231010 + unstable main is ok for CHD

[ancient surge]

The one released just a few minutes ago. Saw you talking about how your MiSTer wasn't detecting the CHD files in the SEGA Saturn core, so I wanted to try and help.

[old pasture]

All good, straight after that part I go to unstable where everything works.
Thanks for chipping in, I always appreciate your help. Best chilli on the internet 👍

I had people in previous video comments talking about CHD's, so I just wanted to clarify it a bit

[serene thunder]

Have people watched the attract sequence for Cho Aniki? hahaha

[umbral bluff]

Mine is the exact same , some weeks ago I watched a video from pixel ninja or vgesoterica (don't remember exactly who) in which mention that if you have a ram with 4 chips then the saturn core wasn't gonna work but when I saw throught the clear case of my mister I saw 2 chips in the ram and not the other rest 2 that were hidden behind the Analog IO board I though I was ok then when the saturn core was publicly released and everything was not working for me I realized I was cursed with the 4 c ram 😂

[serene thunder]

I had the very first MiSTer kit from AV I believe
Behold
Had the VGA going to an OSSC in the early days

Mount MiSTer

[wise brook]

you should be fine. I had to make a similar swap

[violet wolf]

Notes taken, leaning towards the best performing gun with slightly less games tbh due to how underwhelmed I was with the wii shooting

[misty raven]

How are the Panzer Dragoon games doing? I'm trying some chds of 1, 2 and Saga and I'm getting freezing fmvs and no sound

[mortal mist]

works great here

[wise brook]

same

[misty raven]

I'm wondering if the culprit is the core's chd support (which could improve) or the chds themselves (which will not improve.)

ya'll using chd or bin/cue?

[wise brook]

I used a chd of PD

[misty raven]

hmmm

[mortal mist]

did you check if bin/cue works ok ?

[serene thunder]

Did you convert to CHD or download CHD originally

[misty raven]

I didn't convert my own, I'm guessing it's the source

that's the problem

I got them from a 1g1r saturn chd archive on archive dot org, seemed convenient at the time

[serene thunder]

I started using CHD last night and had no problems with games loading
Most I experienced was the audio clicks when games first load, etc

[misty raven]

Several of the chds I downloaded work as expected, but it seems like they can't all be trusted

[serene thunder]

So much FMV to watch on Saturn, haha

[misty raven]

welp, I got a bin/cue of pd1 and it's behaving exactly the same. Maybe I need new ram?

[mortal mist]

What version of ram do you have?

[misty raven]

had to go back into my etsy account, got a 2.5 several years ago from zerohimself. has worked fine up to this point.

got it april 2020

is that out of date?

[mortal mist]

Saturn is picky

[leaden dagger]

hey does Vampier's site have a list of what bios md5 hashes should be

[acoustic sable]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/ go see

[leaden dagger]

... YEP cool
I am checking to see if the Hi Saturn Bios I have matches and then I just need to do the research to make sure its region free

[tidal raptor]

someone mentioned it before but if you look up the TOSEC set, you want the one that's labeled [h] for hacked

[uneven dove]

quite nice to have that region free bios just in general

[inner token]

New snac build, is up to date so CHD should work with it.

was it @glass aurora asking about that?

[uneven dove]

it is very nice to have CHDs working for Saturn now

[burnt matrix]

Pins updated

[trail vine]

There diference in bios?

[inner token]

thanks @burnt matrix and hope you had a blast on vacation

[inner token]

yes iirc some will auto launch games, others you have manually start. There's also region free versions of them too

[trail vine]

Thanks, looking now for one with region free.

[desert vessel]

I got a question about the system clock. Is there a way to save it or link it to the RTC on the MiSTer at present?

[wise brook]

are you also having to imput date and time on each core boot?

[desert vessel]

I believe so.

[wise brook]

so, I think, it's 'cause the Saturn core checks for the date/time but if the actual rtc battery is dry it acts like real hardware, constantly requiring it to be entered

my itx MiSTer runs everything fine.

that has a fresh cr2032

my RetroCastle MiSTer has a teeny tiny little watch battery that's about 3 years old and i think has died

which would explain the difference

again I must say, if, it is indeed connected to the rtc

[desert vessel]

My MiSTer is only about 18 months old. The RTC works fine.

Like, on the main menu, there's no problems.

[wise brook]

even with no network connection?

[desert vessel]

I'm constantly connected to a network.

[wise brook]

if you can disconnect it from wifi

cold boot it

or power cycle

[desert vessel]

The MiSTer or the Saturn?

[wise brook]

does it have the time.

MiSTer

[desert vessel]

OK.

I take it to a place where I don't need it connected to the internet most weeks.

[wise brook]

I'll be doing a similar test myself later today. I'm just out atm

[desert vessel]

Right, I'm home right now doing some stuff.

Just ordered my first Xmas present of the year for the folks. A pizza stone for their oven.

[wise brook]

heck yeah

[lusty rapids]

I don't think the saturn core is currently wired up to pick up time from the system/rtc

[desert vessel]

We had pizza tonight and the bottom crust was doughy, so I said, "we're fixing this. The Culinary Elves are making plans right now."

[lusty rapids]

fwiw my hi-saturn bios never asks me for the time though

[wise brook]

it must have asked you once

is it saved in the menu

[desert vessel]

I'm never asked for the time on my Saturn core. I just want it accurate in time to play Christmas NiGHTS.

[wise brook]

on the core i mean

[lusty rapids]

I mean, each game has a different system save, and loading up a game I've never played before doesn't seem to give any cares about asking me for time

it's probably set at 1970 or something, I don't think I've ever taken note

[noble raven]

Cd bios not found

[wise brook]

what do you mean not found? ||go find it||

[desert vessel]

OK, it seems the time doesn't save no matter what I do. I set the time in the Christmas NiGHTS menu, and it doesn't save into the next menu.

[wise brook]

yes, you've got same issue as me

at least it appears

[desert vessel]

I'm sure SRG knows.

[serene thunder]

[wise brook]

[tawny forge]

A pizza stone makes a hell of a difference when making pizza with home ovens

[desert vessel]

Yep. Learned that by watching Binging With Babish. ^_^

[burnt matrix]

wheeeee, updating all my Saturn games to CHD

[cunning citrus]

The Saturn Core is not using the Mister RTC afaik. It is setting a valid date by itself, at the beggining it was setting invalid dates. Pressing A+B+C and start in cd palyer screen shows its current date and time.

[wise brook]

good to know

had an insane thought

Craig Stadler should have been the Saturn's western mascot.
Craigata Stadshiro.
goes round beating up kids who don't play saturn with a golf club

[wicked hearth]

whats the benefit of CHD instead of bin and cue? space?

[white yoke]

I tried it on mega cd and psx cd images and cuts down mulitiple files and shrinks down the size jackiechan

i took final fantasy 8 psx and shrunk it down from 6oo megabytes to 300 megabytes

[burnt matrix]

I'll answer your question but first tell me about your name lmao

[white yoke]

lol

[wicked hearth]

its a long story and it involves a famous chinese movie actor and a liter of sour milk

[white yoke]

ok

[burnt matrix]

lol works for me

[white yoke]

lol

[burnt matrix]

CHD's has two main benefits - 50/60% compression with absolutely zero perf cost and consolidates all bin/cue files into a single file

[wicked hearth]

ok i might look into it to save room

[white yoke]

I wish I knew about this tools years ago

[frail token]

I wish you did too

[burnt matrix]

I believe all disc based cores supports it. I use CHD compression for all my disc games on the MiSTer and only have a 512GB sd card.

[frail token]

Yeah I believe they do

[burnt matrix]

Amiga CD32 as well?

[wicked hearth]

is there a conversion tool?

[white yoke]

Well I did a lot of cd formats for projects and never heard of .chd format

chdman

chdman jackie

search that in google

[wicked hearth]

thanks bro

[white yoke]

ur welcome

https://wiki.recalbox.com/en/tutorials/utilities/rom-conversion/chdman

here jackie

also archive.org has it

[cunning citrus]

A MAME installation have it too.

[misty raven]

I think it’s specifically a mame thing so I’m guessing it’s only used in the emulation scene?

[frail token]

That's actually where you get it

[glass aurora]

Thanks! Can't wait to check out some more games on the 3D Pad tomorrow

[white yoke]

srg320 needs to add .chd format to saturn core

[lusty rapids]

it's there, it can chd if you have latest unstable mister main

[white yoke]

really thanks

brb

it does work in saturn core but in osd of the core it should say it to not confuse people

and .chd works wonderful now I can shrink my saturn games on my stick

[lusty rapids]

there's already a commit to make it say chd works, but it's not released yet

[serene raven]

quick question about the bios

[glass aurora]

Yeah there's a core build out there that says CHD. You'll have to search the comments in this thread.

[serene raven]

for different region do i make like boot.rom for us boot1.rom for jp etc?

[lusty rapids]

I think most people are just using region free bios

that's what I do

[serene raven]

dang thats very smart idk why i didnt think of that

tyvm i just did that instead lol

[buoyant flint]

My saturn redump set bin/cue comparison

Bin cue
Size: 781 GB
Discs: 2,356

CHD 595 GB
Discs: 2,356

[serene raven]

im def missing games it seems cus im nowhere near that amount

[uneven dove]

Some of that can also just be reduced by not having repeat games across region

Does one truly need to have Clockwork Knight 1, 2, and it's 2 in one collection disc?

[gloomy hedge]

Gotta get Sega rally USA, Sega Rally Japan, Sega Rally Pal, and then all of that x2 for netlink or whatever t f

But for some games it's worth getting the odd editions for some actual gameplay feature

Of course for Saturn so much shit just never made it to the US... so it should be smaller than say like PS1 dupes

[serene raven]

i tried using smdb for n64 and it went from 17gb to 44gb so theres that

so i just went with 1g1r for both saturn and n64 to avoid that nonsense fluff

and just deal with scrolling all the way up and down the list to pick a game to run

[uneven dove]

I think Saturn and Turbografx CD are the most sharp difference between their US and JP library

[gloomy hedge]

I always personally curate the games myself. I don't want stuff I'm not gonna play. Or if it's there it'll go in a seperate folder of fluff

I also do my own genres too so I know what I'm looking for

Organizing games is part of the fun for me

[pearl harbor]

But what about Wonderswan!?

[serene raven]

i wanted my games in genre so i can find new games i never played before

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah but I think Saturn is even worse than tg16

[uneven dove]

Well I guess when the comparison is existing vs not existing

[serene raven]

which is why i dont curate and instead aim for every game

[gloomy hedge]

Finding new games and playing them is part of curation 😉

I put them on, I play them, and then I see where they belong

I do it slowly, in small batches. Don't need other games when I'm not gonna play 5 games in a night.

[pearl harbor]

3DO also has a pretty big difference betwen its US and JP library.

[gloomy hedge]

Oh yeah I know nothing about 3DO

[serene raven]

yeah only curation i do is delete any game in the horror/survival folder

cus NOPE pass not today satan

[pearl harbor]

But it's October! You must partake in the horror!

[serene raven]

nah lol i mean ill play some ghost and goblins or castlevania

but you wont catch me playing RE or silent hill lol

[pearl harbor]

Dooooo it!

[uneven dove]

The US really needs to shape up its PC-FX library

[celest iris]

give it time

[tawny forge]

I’m losing audio in Sega Rally Championship. Anyone else?

Thought that was fixed in unstables?

[pine bobcat]

Was it working before for you?

[tawny forge]

I think it was?

[pine bobcat]

it was cutting out for me previously on v2.4 SDRAM, recently switched to v2.9 SDRAM and working fine here now

[tawny forge]

Are you using the stable core from main?

It was broken for me too but it was fixed at some point in unstable I think

[pine bobcat]

Using Saturn_20231011

[mortal mist]

Works perfectly here

[buoyant flint]

Yes same with me, stable and unstable. Sound drops only on that game for me? My ram is
v2.5 128mb 140mhz

[mortal mist]

I spent a total of about 15h with Sega Rally , core 20231004, 20231010/11 and not once had a problem with the music in this game, sdram v2.9

[tall radish]

the question is what ram bar you have? 2C or 4C?

[buoyant flint]

How do I know that?

[tall radish]

look at it

does the ram bar have 2 chips or 4?

[buoyant flint]

2 chips

[tall radish]

ok should not be the ram problem then

what bios do you use?

[mortal mist]

unfortunately, as far as I know several people with 2.5 wrote that they still have problems

for some works ok, lottery with 2.5

[misty raven]

I'm also having audio problems with 2.5 ram, I just ordered a new 3.0 from msiteraddons to see if it will fix the issue

It should be here about the 21st, I'll report in any improvements

[wise brook]

there's no such thing a 4chip 2.5

it's just the 2.5

[lost mantle]

I'm getting a few issues on both stable and unstable using 2.9 SDRAM, unsure if anyone else has them:

• Ogre Battle goes to an endless black screen after selecting new game (this one is specifically stated to be working in the spreadsheet so I assume it's a hardware issue on my end?)
• Tactics Ogre doesn't get past the "original game by quest 1995" screen
• Vandal Hearts mostly works but you can't see which menu item is currently highlighted

[wise brook]

and it's got some issues with the current Saturn build

[wise brook]

all of these are known and reported issues

[lost mantle]

Okay, cool

[faint flicker]

for me with v2.5 ram Sega rally works now but i have to use the hi-saturn bios 1.02 the standard japanese bios does not work.

i was surprised that with the Core using the right bios makes such a difference

[misty raven]

Just tried this out and still getting no sound in Sega Rally, hopefully 3.0 ram will be the solution.

[mortal mist]

for me bios never mattered , I checked every one and had a problem until the sdram controller was improved

perhaps in extreme cases it makes a difference, I don't know

[ancient surge]

Ogre Battle gives me the same problem, which is why I reported the issue on the Saturn_MiSTer page.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/20

[zinc vine]

DS?

[inner token]

No single, guess I can do a DS if it's needed

[minor cipher]

that's been my experience as well. i had the white screen on Sega Rally issue for the longest time, tried every BIOS under the sun but none of them made any difference until the SDRAM controller fix by srg. haven't seen the BIOS i choose really make any difference in compatibility at all on my end

[crimson hemlock]

I’m using a Europe BIOS that’s region free and setting Sega Rally (PAL version) to Europe console region has sound but the music eventually cuts off, also the narrator repeats himself endlessly eg shouting “Easy Right” until the next instruction, then he starts repeating that 😂 I think I have 2 chip 2.5 RAM but will need to double check

[alpine pagoda]

Multisystem ram here. I get perfect audio in the us version now for about 50 seconds, then the music and engine drops out and I only get collision and directions after that.

[pine bobcat]

It's definitely RAM version/quality
my v2.4 (stable @ 143 mhz) had issues with sound cutting out on Sega Rally
changed to 2.9 (stable @ 147 mhz) and immediately works with no issues

[crimson hemlock]

Guess I’ll be placing an order with Nat at MisterFPGA.co.uk for a V3 RAM module, can’t complain, my 2.5 from AliExpress was only ever intended as a placeholder and I’m still using it some 3 years on

[pine bobcat]

Yeah, I got my 128 (just realized it's actually v2.4) when they first started being made for Neo Geo, don't regret buying it back then though as I got a lot of use out of it for the big Neo Geo and CPS 2 games

[crimson hemlock]

In fairness I can hang onto the extra stick as I’m sure it’ll come in handy for the Midway arcade cores that Will apparently need two sticks. I’d assume putting a 3.0 in for primary use and if required later on I’d hope this 2.5 would be sufficient for a secondary stick

[stiff patrol]

yes

I have a 2.9 primary and a 128mb 2.5 as secondary

I think people need to state the fastest mem test speed the ram posts at. I dont think its 2.5 or 2.9 per se but it defintely is linked to the spped. Of course 2.9 is slightly more stable and so can post higher

my 2.5 wasnt great for the saturn core

changing to a 2.9 as prime and it was much better

[tawny forge]

140Mhz passing modules shouldn't have any issues as per core requirements?

[stiff patrol]

2.5 isd 142 ish 2.9 was 150

I think the core likes speed

the closer to 150 the better

[tawny forge]

No vendor should be able to guarantee anything close to 150Mhz

[stiff patrol]

my 2.9 holds it

[tawny forge]

Either memory controller gets improved in the core or make the core dual ram mandatory

[stiff patrol]

easy to say but the core is in the high 90 % of the fpga, its running out of room to be improved

[pine bobcat]

I moved the 2.5 RAM to a secondary MiSTer that was on an older 32MB v1.1, so it's still works out

[tawny forge]

Dual sdram version is allegedly more stable, so just have to decide on making it mandatory.

[stiff patrol]

I can hear the howls of the CRT brigade coming to burn down SRG if that happens

plus the people on the boards saying the dev is lazy

[tawny forge]

lol

[stiff patrol]

see the Pramod cores as an example

[tawny forge]

Did pramod deliver great cores already? srg320 did!

[stiff patrol]

no but it was a bit off declaring he was only using dual ram because he was lazy

I am sure he tried his best not to use it

[tawny forge]

It's probably the case in that case

Or the lack of technical knowledge

srg320 has proven to NOT be lazy and has great technical knowledge already

[stiff patrol]

The devs do it all for free so I am generally just happy they give their time

[tawny forge]

Sure thing

[stiff patrol]

I think the lazy dev arguments led to Pramod going to Mars

but thats for another channel

[tawny forge]

Looking forward to Xmas! 😄

[ancient surge]

I think people don't understand that programming an FPGA core is no different from any other program. It takes time to code everything and iron out the bugs.

[stiff patrol]

I am a day job dev. I looked at FPGA and my mind just went no its alien

[subtle tusk]

Making cores for MiSTer is a bit like programming in reverse. Instead of writing hardware instructions you're writing the hardware those instructions run on. You have to figure out how to execute all the instructions the same way real hardware does, and if you can't do it exactly you have to know how to fudge it.

What instructions can be delayed and what ones have to execute immediately, what instructions can be simulated by running the core at a higher speed than the original hardware, that kind of thing.

[tawny forge]

It's just a clock and a bunch of signals reacting to it. C'mon guys! 😛

[ancient surge]

By the way, the SEGA Saturn FPGA core getting full is likely due to a lack of optimization at the moment. There are still unused features, debugging tools, and maybe some code clean up that can squeeze out a little more space.

[tawny forge]

I will put my RAM module under memtest for 15 minutes then I will open an issue for Sega Rally Championship in Github

[wise brook]

can't they just get a $5 hdmi to vga adapter

[stiff patrol]

The hard core demand the ability to stream HDMI and watch on a CRT

[wise brook]

heck. I'm up to some dual analog shenanigans

[misty raven]

The only thing that would be lost is simultaneous analog + hdmi video out. misteraddons is working on a direct video board which should hopefully make getting a good crt signal + dual ram easy to do

[wise brook]

sad. although I've got some preem additional hardware so I can split the analog signal, scale one output to 1080p and the other into the tube

my analog picture looks near as good as the hdmi thanks to a rt5x

[jagged radish]

same as how i read these threads. i start at the bottom and then read in reverse trying to understand how the conversation got where it is 😅

[fast torrent]

Does anybody have idea what might be problem when games boot and run but music disappears very soon (maybe 1st track is played)? I use 1.01a USA bios and games are .bin + cue files.

[mortal mist]

I have three sdram v2.9 hold 146/147, satrun works very well with them

[mortal mist]

what version of sdram do you have ?

[wise brook]

if I got a nickel everytime someone asked this today after the answer had been already been posted, I'd have 3 nickels.

which isn't a lot; but it's weird it keeps on happening.

[tawny forge]

Good luck to RAM sellers guaranteeing modules running stable at 145Mhz+ at memtest 😄

[fast torrent]

My Mister build is a couple of years old and ordered from Ultimatemister so I believe it is v2.5. 128mb.

[wise brook]

well erno you've answered your own question

[mortal mist]

which means we have another case of v2.5 🙂

[fast torrent]

You mean it is too old?

[wise brook]

no

it means the core is inactive development

and he's working on compatibility

[mortal mist]

I have a whole collection already 1.1, 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.9 😂

[wise brook]

he has however forsaken the 4chip A-RAM

[gloomy hedge]

I thought sound was still just supposed to be fucked

[wise brook]

no, well cdda audio is the most troubled

[gloomy hedge]

But yes patience

My sound gets better with each core but is still totally like 60/40 on working or not with games I like

[fast torrent]

Yeah, it is not a big issue as long as I know that my hardware is not faulty.

[gloomy hedge]

Nah probably not

Wait for a while

[wise brook]

put on sakura wars and every time a track goes to play it makes a thunk noise and plays too quietly

[gloomy hedge]

This core is not close

[wise brook]

the scsp audio seems really good. almost indistinguishable

and I love saturn and have years of experience with real hardware

[worldly temple]

Hi friends. What's the best way to swap between BIOS for different regions?

I have a boot.rom where it should be (it's a USA 1.01a BIOS). I have the other BIOS, but unsure how to name them.

[serene raven]

I asked this last night amd was given an answer I wish my smooth brain had thought of

Use a region free bios

Tested it and worked great

I went with the US region free one for the splash screen I remembered as a kid

[inner token]

there's a osd switch for region too. but RF is easier

[worldly temple]

I don't see any region free BIOS on the supported list.

& sadly the BIOS pack I have doesn't seem to specifically note which one (if any) is RF. Any hints as to what a RF BIOS file might be calleD?

Additionally, I am curious if any of you got the 8bitdo M30 2.4ghz original/Genesis connector controller working properly with Saturn. The issue seems to be that Z/C and R/L are treated the same by MiSTer.

[open glen]

I am also curious where such a bios could be locted, all the ones I saw were marked for a specific region

and when I did a search for it I saw lots of hits for how to mod your saturn to a region free state, but nothing on where to get the digital bios, lol

[pearl harbor]

The Hi-Saturn bios is region free.

Should be easy enough to find by googling that.

[worldly temple]

Yep - got it!

Thank you.

[tawny forge]

Magic String: "Hitachi Hi-Saturn BIOS v1.02 (1995)(Hitachi - Sega)(JP)(M6)[h]"

There MUST be a "[h]" in there otherwise it's not the RF

[open glen]

out of curiosity, what makes 1.02 better than 1.03 or 1.01?

[tawny forge]

Is there a hitachi 1.03?

[trim nimbus]

the [h] 😉

[open glen]

I've seen a "GameNavi HiSaturn 1.03 (RF)" one

[paper tiger]

these are what I got...

Bios GameNavi HiSaturn 1.03.bin
Bios HI-Saturn 1.01 (J) [!].bin
Bios Hi-Saturn 1.02 (J).bin
Bios Saturn 1.00 (J) [!].bin
Bios Saturn 1.00a (U) [!].bin
Bios Saturn 1.01 (J) [!].bin
Bios Saturn 1.01a (U) [!].bin
Bios V-Saturn 1.01 (J) [!].bin
Sega Saturn BIOS (1.003) (J).bin
Sega Saturn BIOS (EUR).bin
Sega Saturn BIOS (Oct 12, 1994).bin

which one to rename? ;p

[acoustic sable]

Check their CRCs against the ones on Vampier's faq site

[hearty ember]

sorry if it has been asked before..Update all is not fetching the Saturn core for me...Any idea why?

[wise brook]

yeah

have you got one of the prior unstable versions still on there?

[hearty ember]

I did, but I deleted it before update

the boot.rom is in the games folder, might it be that?

(usb)

[wise brook]

that's fine that's where it belongs if your games are also there

[hearty ember]

yes, they´re there

any options I should turn on on the update ini?

[wise brook]

well, the updater should have pulled the rbf.

nah nothing out the ordinary. it's on MiSTer main so nothing extra required. maybe it's not on db9 forks if you use them.

but hey, sometimes running it twice is what it takes

[hearty ember]

ok, gonna give it another try. Thx! 🙂

Is there anywhere to get the RBF and put it manually?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

[stiff patrol]

sad thing about update all is it only fetches the single ram version

Dual ram for the win !

[hearty ember]

thx guys!

[paper tiger]

Hitachi Hi-Saturn 1.02 Japan 8a22710e09ce75f39625894366cafe503ed1942d

ok just isolating it to that one.. forget the rest

[wise brook]

tfw no triple ram build

[gloomy hedge]

Just rename 1.02 or 1.03

[woeful quarry]

And a 4-chip module is the quadruple ram build

[wise brook]

2x4xwhen

[woeful quarry]

Get two of them for octuple!

[wise brook]

yes

then it'll have about as many ram chips as a real saturn

[woeful quarry]

I can’t see how that wouldn’t work

Just getting closer to hardware parity

[wise brook]

us

[warm mica]

Just got this today. Patiently waiting for more Reflex adapters

Anyone using one of these on the Saturn core?

[burnt matrix]

yeah works great with the SNAC build!

[wise brook]

she's a beaut

and hall effect

[pearl harbor]

I was going to buy the Saturn SNAC adapter, but it was sold out...

Still have my old 3D Saturn pad.

[burnt matrix]

it's pretty awesome how SNAC "just works" with everything.

[pearl harbor]

It doesn't work with limited inventory though!

[clear condor]

Still no SNAC Stunner, right?

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cold-stone-stunner-wrestling-wwe-gif-5266635

[inner token]

nope should be recognized and trigger should work but what the sensor does isn't there

[serene raven]

i use the dual ram script from vampier site

[buoyant flint]

So i take it as Sega Rally sound dropouts is an issue that's not fixed yet, as it works for some but not others?

[pearl harbor]

Probably depends on your ram. For most, it seems to be working now. The audio was fixed on my end I believe two core updates ago.

[drifting frigate]

Yep! It's awesome with SNAC. Still waiting on analog triggers in HPSIO for the Reflex, but it works as digital R/L triggers just fine. SNAC is great though. Just absolutely great! @inner token is a hero!

[buoyant flint]

I had the sound working a while back in beta but since about a month ago it fails with sound.. so I doubt it's my ram as it's worked before.. it might be a dev issue

[mental folio]

is there a significant difference running the saturn core with dual ram?

[tall radish]

Usually it either works with single or only with dual. The performance doesn't really change from what you see.

[woeful quarry]

I agree, I think it’s too early to start breaking your mister stack apart and replace ram that may or may not be the issue.

Better to wait until the core is closer to complete to see if you need to spend money on replacement parts that might not even be needed

[mental folio]

aight, thanks~ Was wondering about it since I downloaded the core a couple nights ago~

[wise brook]

that pfp

i'll be disassembling my MiSTer for a bigger better battery holder.

this by retrocastle

just so I don't have to use one of those tiny little watch batteries

[mental folio]

drew it myself 👀

[polar geode]

Its cute

[gloomy hedge]

Don't work for me

[woeful tendon]

can someone tell me conclusively how the saves are stored? Is it named for the directory the image file is in, or the name of the image file and if the latter, how do you handle multi disk images?

[burnt matrix]

are we back to bios.bin?

[woeful tendon]

boot.bin is working for me if I load it specifically

it's also possible that bootroms/Saturn.rom works

[mental folio]

I followed the instructions and named it boot.rom, and it auto loads it

[burnt matrix]

thanks, guys. maybe some weirdness on my end. I just grabbed a new region-free us bios and named it as bios.bin and then duped it and named it as boot.rom. No problems now.

[high bramble]

Don't forget bios.cue to go with your bios.bin. 😏

[woeful tendon]

you can also use *.CHD instead of *.CUE so none of the menu items are accurate 🙂

[high bramble]

Ah, right. Good call. You need a bios.chd as well! 🤣

Then you'll be able to load all the things, @burnt matrix

[woeful tendon]

that's working for me with most things, Shining the Holy Ark, Discworld are notable exceptions, pretty much everything else is loading with my bios

[burnt matrix]

lol omg

I’m using chdddddd

[woeful tendon]

honestly CHD has really fixed a bunch of issues I had with game loading

[cunning citrus]

chddddddddddd is da way

[burnt matrix]

with SNAC and a mission stick

hnnnnnnng

[high bramble]

Fixed a bunch of issues with free space, too. 😉

[serene thunder]

Two-prong Mission Stick

[high bramble]

That sounds kinky...

[serene thunder]

Plus a Trance Vibrator

[burnt matrix]

ommmmmg

[serene thunder]

I have one if you have one, we can unite our sticks

[high bramble]

Careful...

[burnt matrix]

salacious!!

Does having two mission stick, sticks, mean you can do virtual-on?

[serene thunder]

"Only one game, Panzer Dragoon Zwei, is known to support that twin-stick mode,"

[high bramble]

If not, then why have them? 😄

[burnt matrix]

Ok phew, was gonna feel real silly owning a twin stick and a mission stick

[woeful tendon]

The Discworld games are "special". 1) just doesn't think there's a controller connected at all, 2) keeps thinking the controller has disconnected

[idle temple]

This 8bitdo m30 is amazing!

That dpad is very unique

[quick sorrel]

How so?

[idle temple]

Also guardian heroes on this core with my fiancé is a really great time.

[idle temple]

It feels floaty

Silky

really accurate though

[quick sorrel]

I didn’t notice that but I thought the L and R buttons were too different from original Saturn controllers

They have a deeper press

[idle temple]

I didnt put down a ton of hours on the Saturn controllers back in the day

So I don't have a comparison

So I'm less making the comparison to the original and just really complimenting it on its own as a controller!

[quick sorrel]

I see. I’ve played it since launch so the shoulder buttons, while good, just felt off to me

[idle temple]

I just got it

So I will watch for that and appreciate the heads up!

[quick sorrel]

It is a good controller and low lag so I like it a lot too (just picky on somethings like that tho)

[idle temple]

I think we all are to some degree, I totally feel you

[quick sorrel]

😎

[idle temple]

And there are tons of bad choices to be made on 3rd party products so we gotta look out for each other.

I have high hopes for the 2x retrobits I have on preorder

[quick sorrel]

The dual analog one rt

[cursive turtle]

I hate the shoulder buttons on the OEM Saturn pads so the M30 is a straight improvement

[mental folio]

I’m with d.d.d. on this one. I prefer the short travel distance on the OG Saturn pads. Just a bit too deep of a press on the m30 for a digital button

Now if it were analog, that’d be different

[next bronze]

They didn't change the buttons from the standard M30. I don't mind since I liked the standard triggers on it and companies had a hard time getting the clicky saturn triggers right.

[quick sorrel]

I know what you mean. I noticed how different my timing was when playing Radiant Silvergun - sword timing felt awkward

[mortal mist]

I definitely prefer the m30 pad, I feel better with it

[stiff patrol]

Yes but it would be nice to have the dual ram added to the Mister distribution so that update_all could grab it

[mortal mist]

I agree it would be nice 🙂 many here use dualsdram regularly

[tall radish]

me too 🙂

[tall radish]

Bios Saturn 1.01a (U) [!].bin

[tall radish]

great thanks! any chance of the same for the dual ram core?

[pine bobcat]

Is there any visible difference between single and dual RAM on the current Saturn core?
I can instantly see the difference between v2.4 and v2.9 RAM
But any example for a single v2.9 vs. v2.9 with dual RAM?

[buoyant flint]

I tried every single bios, and different dumps of sega rally but it always skips the audio/sound after a few seconds... on beta core

If you leave the demo rolling, the sound re starts with the words "sega Rally Championship" then cuts out again

[tawny forge]

Can’t reproduce sound stoppage on Sega Rally Championship now

🤷‍♂️

[wise brook]

you won't be able to reproduce it. you're not running the 2.5 version of the ram

[mortal mist]

Bootsector has v2.5

[high bramble]

At least the sound starts playing for some of you with Sega Rally Championship. I don't even get that much with the MiSTer Multisystem (not sure of the version, but stable at 140 MHz). Silence from the beginning. 🤣 🤷‍♂️

[buoyant flint]

My ram is v2.5 128mb 140mhz
And yes I have the sound problem

[stiff patrol]

I have sound on my Dual ram v2.9 ~150 and v2.5 ~143

[serene raven]

You can probably add the line like on n64 to the Downloader ini to pull from the repository

[stiff patrol]

yep but the dual ram is the author preferred core. It should be in the main distro

[wise brook]

single ram keeps on winning

[mortal mist]

out of curiosity I checked my old sdram v2.4

and to my surprise I see no difference for now between 2.4 and 2.9 , music and sounds in Sega Rally are ok after 2 races with three laps

Nights works ok , Resident Evil too

and my sdram v2.4 is 140mhz

it is puzzling why such different results for people

[tawny forge]

I had it yesterday. But not today. Maybe it’s moon phase dependent?

[vapid scroll]

I just got the new M30 2.4G white edition, but I had strange issues where after pressing a diagonal my ship in shmups started to move by itself. The issue seems to be fixed after downgrading the controller firmware from 2.08 to 2.06. Anybody else having same issue with 2.08 ?

[wise brook]

best take your queries about controllers to #controllers

[inner token]

you guys will have to test that one out, I didn't

[burnt matrix]

Played the Sega Ages collection with my Mission Stick last night and it was AWESOME. Thank you for the SNAC builds!!

[inner token]

figured you'd want to test out the new stick

[cursive turtle]

My music cuts out in Nights too with dual 2.5 SDRAM hope I don’t need to buy a modern stick and this gets smoothed over eventually

[tall radish]

It cuts out on my single 128 build, too.

[umbral bluff]

Which version of ram do you use ?

[cursive turtle]

V2.5

[alpine pagoda]

I don’t think I ever got music in nights.

[umbral bluff]

Somewhere I read those 2.5 ver ram do not work correctly with the core

[ancient fractal]

I run dual v2.5 SDRAM and it’s been performing well with the games I’m playing. I may or may not try these problematic titles mentioned.. 😅

[tall radish]

it is not the version but rather the built. the core is made with 2 chip ram sticks in mind because of bandwith. 4C ram sticks like the one from antonio villena do have issues.

[mortal mist]

Some people with 2C ram versions 2.4 and 2.5 are also having problems

[tall radish]

ok but less heard then the obvious 4C problem

[mortal mist]

4C is a completely different tale 🙂

[plain hearth]

is music/sound stopping mid game an issue with the core right now or somenthing on my end?

[mortal mist]

Music / sound should not stutter during the game

what sdram do you have ?

[plain hearth]

a 128 v2.5 and a 128 v2.9

[mortal mist]

are you using dualsdram ?

[plain hearth]

yes

[mortal mist]

your primary sdram is 2.9 ?

[plain hearth]

i think its the v2.5 one

need to check

[zinc vine]

awesome

[mortal mist]

swap them , you will have better results

[zinc vine]

i agree with kuba he told me about sdram

[mortal mist]

this is probably the first such sdram-sensitive core

[zinc vine]

probably for now? it could change when the core finish

[mortal mist]

we will see what srg320 comes up with 🙂

[analog totem]

yeah I swapped my primary sdram from 2.5 to 2.9 and a game or two that had previously given me issues started working

that was quite a while ago, though

[plain hearth]

I'll try that, thanks everyone

[drifting frigate]

You are too good to us!

[untold lintel]

I'm presuming the DS in that snac build stands for dual SDram

[inner token]

yeah maybe I could have labeled that better, it's a dual ram build. The build file is labeled DS.

I posted the single ram build farther up, this goes with that 🙂

[untold lintel]

oh cool ill check for that one

[plain hearth]

Did it and it works now 🪐 👍

[fast torrent]

I have tested Sega Rally with two Mister setups. Both have v2.5 128MB ram (both stable at 143Mhz based on Memtest). Same game files and same bios. One set plays sounds without issues and another does not. Maybe it is microSD card... And same issue with several games.

[mortal mist]

Great

[mortal mist]

Nah , i tried in past sd cards , ssd etc, no change

It's ram

[fast torrent]

Weird. My test setups had same revision and same level of stability.

[mortal mist]

It's a lottery with the ram for now, nobody's fault

[fast torrent]

Yeah, all we need is just a little patience.

Maybe it'll be fixed.

[mortal mist]

Anyway, it's not the fault of the ram itself, but how the core handles them

[fast torrent]

Then it should be possible to fix it. I mean if same module can handle PSX, NeoGeo etc.

[buoyant flint]

With so many people having a problem with SRC you'd hope the dev has iit as a priority fix at some stage

[fast torrent]

Yeah, but at least for me it is not just SRC. Happens with some other games too. Super Puzzle Fighter Turbo II is one I can say right now.

[buoyant flint]

I'm not even sure the issue is on github yet, anyone know?

[fast torrent]

Not sure.

[mortal mist]

There is no such

[mortal mist]

There is difference, Saturn is the first core in which memory chips are interleaved (run in parallel) to achieve the required bandwidth

[pearl harbor]

Saturn is insanely complex from a hardware standpoint.

Not to mention that srg320 is living in a war zone. It's a perfect storm of, we just need to wait, see, and be patient.

[ancient fractal]

Took NiGHTS for a spin on my dual v2.5 RAM setup, and there’s no music outage. I guess it’s a decent enough build.

[random shard]

What can I expect from the core if I get a second ram stick ?

Which games can you notice a difference on?

[mental folio]

from what I've seen, you wont see a performance difference so much as some games will now just launch.

[tawny forge]

Is a dual ram setup error free in regards audio loss?

[mental folio]

wouldn't know, don't run dual ram myself

not sure if I wanna bother upgrading, either.

Lots of folks seem to think dual ram will not be required permanently

[tawny forge]

It would be great having dual ram people testing problematic games related to audio loss

[tawny forge]

That’s my belief too

[mental folio]

I've been debating upgrading my MiSTer or waiting to hear more about MARS

[burnt matrix]

Ah what a shame, digital pinball necronomicon doesn’t work

[mental folio]

yet

[burnt matrix]

CHDs are great

[polar geode]

If you want fullsets

😏

[lusty rapids]

I've still just got my NTSC-U/J full set chilling in bin/cue

the power of NAS

[polar geode]

I curate. The power of common sense.

[lusty rapids]

pfft

the power of having time maybe

[burnt matrix]

I curate and have CHDs

[polar geode]

In reality I dont use them because it isnt worth the hassle, but also because I'll do music replacement hacks on a lot of CD games and once its turned into a CHD I cant work with it

[burnt matrix]

I have a 512GB SD card, I have to use them!

[lusty rapids]

I just haven't run my chd oneliner yet

[burnt matrix]

you're a CHD oneliner

[lusty rapids]

it's possible

[polar geode]

I have a 512gb SSD drive with cifs share for MiSTer, I curate everything and play about 85% of the cores, curating the CD system sets keeps it about half full with bin/cues

[lusty rapids]

compressed hunk of dp

[mental folio]

same

[celest iris]

@polar geode sounds exactly like me

[mental folio]

the smaller filesize is super convenient and I just can't swing a NAS

wish I could though

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/johan-liebert-johan-monster-who-pinged-me-ping-gif-26288263

[ancient surge]

What do you mean you don't dedicate terabytes to every single revision and regional release known to man

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/lisa-kudrow-stop-the-madness-friends-phoebe-gif-8984106

[lusty rapids]

I can script away extra revs, demos, etc I don't care about so I do that at least

[celest iris]

1g1r4l

[lusty rapids]

I like to keep Japanese versions even if a US one exists

[polar geode]

writes down your bank password

[warped saddle]

I can't remove anything because I end up having to download them when inevitable bug reports need testing against them

also I have better things to do with my life than attempt to sort through which images I want to keep. how the hell would I know

[burnt matrix]

you know what, CHDs are still great

[lusty rapids]

no u

[celest iris]

that sounds like something a doctor should treat

[polar mountain]

What if someone on a podcast mentions something vaguely interesting about an obscure Haienkyo Alien related PS1 game? You won't be able to play it immediately 😦

[lusty rapids]

I like to play Japanese versions to keep in practice while still relaxing with some vijeo james

I dunno, I'm not hurting for space so w/e

[burnt matrix]

I started to look it up and after 30s realized I've been had!

[polar mountain]

I bet there is one.