#Sega Saturn

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gloomy locust
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I feel so dumb. How do I install the unstable MiSTer build?

naive whale
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Saturn in main is funny; lots of comments "hey x game doesnt work" or "y game has glitches"

jolly reef
naive whale
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I think everyone who hasnt been testing here was under the assumption this is final

jolly reef
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you can also go in the config dir and delete anything named Saturn if you want a fresh start

odd halo
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public beta is still beta. I guess some peeps don't get that tho 🙂

jolly reef
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are we back to boot.rom or is it still boot.bin?

mortal mist
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boot.rom works fine

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fixed

crystal bison
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that feeling when you clear out all the chd's and start again

jolly reef
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I guess I'm expecting core to autoload bios and it never does now, that's the intended behavior, correct?

wheat citrus
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so has the core been updated since Saturn_20231010?

mortal mist
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not official release but yes

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check pins

wheat citrus
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I ask because the news of the core being part of the normal script now

mortal mist
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CHD support + Video Offset fix , test build

wheat citrus
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so to update the core from here on out you dont have to run the standalone update script anymore correct ?

mortal mist
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the new core in the main does not appear with every change

wheat citrus
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so for the most up to date core then you should keep using the standalone scripts?

mortal mist
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you can check out the test core with the changes or wait for the next official one which will be released in a while

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via update all

sick python
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Anyone test bomberman and see if the 6player MiSTer limit applies or if you can use all 10 players?

mortal mist
wheat citrus
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so that script doesnt do anything worthwhile anymore?

mortal mist
mortal mist
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unless someone makes a new one

wheat citrus
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thanks for the clarification

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im still semi a noob on how all this stuff works

dense hill
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this chd stuff is incredible

wheat citrus
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only thing I kinda dont understand is why the Genesis_20230224 core keeps downloading on me

dense hill
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this stick only has saturn games on, it haas every single pal and ntsc game and every jp exclusive (and some extra jp games if they have different names)

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not quite done yet but it's coming up to leaving 500gb of my stick free, I had 210gb free when I started

viral pebble
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there are tons of bios listed on vampier's page for Saturn. Which one is recommended to rename to boot.rom?

mortal mist
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best is free region

dense hill
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I might be able to fit all of ps1 and saturn on one stick at this rate

mortal mist
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no need to change region

dense hill
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my only regret is I can't put exodos on here too

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maybe I will get a separate stick for dos

viral pebble
# mortal mist best is free region

The following BIOS files are supported.
Console Version Region SHA1 Size Status
Sega Saturn 1.00 Japan 2b8cb4f87580683eb4d760e4ed210813d667f0a2 512 KB ✅
Sega Saturn 1.00a USA 3bb41feb82838ab9a35601ac666de5aacfd17a58 512 KB ✅
Sega Saturn 1.00 Europe faa8ea183a6d7bbe5d4e03bb1332519800d3fbc3 512 KB ✅
Sega Saturn 1.003 Japan 7b23b53d62de0f29a23e423d0fe751dfb469c2fa 512 KB ❌
Sega Saturn 1.01 Japan df94c5b4d47eb3cc404d88b33a8fda237eaf4720 512 KB ✅
Saturn 1.01a USA faa8ea183a6d7bbe5d4e03bb1332519800d3fbc3 512 KB ✅
Hitachi Hi-Saturn 1.01 Japan 49d8493008fa715ca0c94d99817a5439d6f2c796 512 KB ✅
Hitachi Hi-Saturn 1.02 Japan 8a22710e09ce75f39625894366cafe503ed1942d 512 KB ✅
Hitachi Hi-Saturn 1.03 Japan 8c031bf9908fd0142fdd10a9cdd79389f8a3f2fc 512 KB ✅
Victor V-Saturn 1.01 Japan 4154e11959f3d5639b11d7902b3a393a99fb5776 512 KB ✅

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Which of these is free region?

wheat citrus
dense hill
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I was told 1.01a ww-rf is the best by someone here

celest iris
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#NASgang

sudden tusk
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I love NAS … the rapper

celest iris
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i'm going to start pronouncing my network drive that way

frank crater
sudden tusk
umbral bluff
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In saturn core what means the 'cd bios not found' ?

dense hill
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you need the operating system for sega saturn

odd halo
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I think it means thatt it hasn't found the CD Bios. LOL

wheat citrus
severe panther
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i tried to map my M30 with the Saturn core but for some reason i can't map R, is there any known issue about this or should i test further too see if the control is broken?

wise brook
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just think. soon update all will put the necessary Saturn bios in the right place and no one will have to ask about it.

wise brook
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I've got two of them with no issues

severe panther
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didn't try that. is that necessary?

wise brook
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yes. with every controller

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unless you get lucky

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they'll be button issues

severe panther
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ok. I will try that later then. Thanks for input.

mortal mist
outer wolf
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ran into an interesting visual glitch in Panzer Dragoon Zwei where the ground isn't rendering correctly in this section.

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sick python
mortal mist
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works great 🙂

mortal mist
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I already noticed this during attract mode

odd halo
# mortal mist works great 🙂

hoorah. I no longer have to look at the jag dual ram wip core video on youtube and feel jealous. that's on your youtube channel incidentally I think. 🙂

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thank you for checking.

mortal mist
outer wolf
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also I'm getting audio pops between tracks but I'm assuming people have already reported that one

polar geode
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Yes

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I have an issue open for cdda track reading

sudden tusk
dense hill
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okay my compression is done, am I right in saying now for all multi disc games I need tto move disc 2-4 chds into the disc 1 folder

odd halo
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1 game per folder yes or the game won't reset if you change disc. so like with psx etc... all of FF7 in one folder

silent briar
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Hey!! Love the core, though since I'm playing on a 240p 120hz CRT I was wondering if a "full-screen" aspect ratio could be implemented eventually like the rest of the MiSTer cores? Without it, games look extremely stretched. It would be the icing on the cake to play saturn games with beautiful VGA CRT scanlines!

celest iris
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there are too many megamen

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is screen tearing like a thing that happens?

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i really wish we could search this thread or whatever weird channel this is

outer wolf
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Beat Panzer Dragoon Zwei on the core (first deathless run woo!). Yeah just some rendering issues on mission 1 and 2. The forest floor would flicker between the texture and a solid green color

tall radish
outer wolf
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it runs and controls really well though!

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the models in Nights look funny

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wise brook
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yeah, this is known.
gouraud shading is only partially implemented

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as stated by srg320 himself

ripe valley
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Also visible on Sonic Jam and Sonic R.
Someone during a livestream exposed me the same problem some minutes ago.

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They saw also some incorrect gamma colours on the background of the level 2 in Panzer Dragoon Zwei.

outer wolf
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oh yeah dual analogue panzer dragoon zwei feels so cursed. But it's super cool I finally got to try it

outer wolf
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I can't wait to see this progress it's super cool

warm mica
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What is a good way to use a Saturn controller on my MiSTer/CRT with the lowest possible input lag?

ancient surge
frail heath
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M30 with 2.4GHz adapter is also a good choice with low input lag outside of SNAC, isnt exactly "lowest" possible but ye

frail token
celest iris
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sorry i should have said fmv tearing

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only place i saw it

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like the megaman openers

frail token
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Ohh

sudden tusk
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This what I use .. not exactly Saturn but close enough plus less than 1 ml lag

fresh gale
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Only the best for our Saturn

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sudden tusk
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Get that wack shit out of here

open glen
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I use the retrobit sega wireless controller plugged into a deamonbite adapter I wired up. It's good

sudden tusk
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For wireless I use my 8bitdo arcade stick .. works pretty well with most Saturn games

warm mica
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@sudden tusk I already have a 4dapter for N64/NES/SNES/Genesis which works well but want something for Saturn that is in stock

tall radish
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out of stock

trim nimbus
fresh gale
trim nimbus
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does that work with the mister?

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almost looks like the perfect controller to me…6 face buttons, a single analog stick (8 way gated), still have the triangle face button layout if necessary, seems to cover all the bases?

desert vessel
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Hey doods. Are we still giving notes on what's working and what's not?

odd halo
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srg320 isn't here so I don't know how helpful reports would be, but there is a compatibility list

tall radish
drifting frigate
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They are behind though. Just a heads up if you are going to try them.

tall radish
tall radish
drifting frigate
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Yep

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Good stuff.

desert vessel
topaz cairn
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So should multi disc games that are independent of each other like the Command and Conquer games go in the same folder or each disc in its own?

dense hill
trim nimbus
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Touché

frail token
tawny forge
topaz cairn
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Ok. I wasn't sure if each disc had thier own saves or if they saved both discs into one save

idle temple
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Are you guys still recommending dual ram setups now that the core is out?

tawny forge
idle temple
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I’m looking for a good excuse to spend money and it doesn’t sound like dual ram is a good one.

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Better spent on those Saturn controllers from retrobit?

tawny forge
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The more the merrier

topaz cairn
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So will the dual ram builds not be updated anymore?

idle temple
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I was thinking about another mister. I want to buy one of those Saturn mini model kits and shove a mister inside.

sick python
tawny forge
idle temple
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Will it fit?

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2/5 scale

dense hill
idle temple
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Think that was Hyperkin actually!

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They do some weird stuff

lusty rapids
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yeah that was a whole discussion during TGS

dense hill
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I'm pretty sure it's just a mister in there

frail token
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There are pictures of other signs that say it is

frail token
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I think it's pretty tiny

idle temple
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Ohhhhh

frail token
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or whatever his name is

idle temple
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That’s the same thing then

frail token
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Yah Retro Game Restore

mellow bronze
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I've been having a bit of trouble booting up a game. after this screen, nothing happens. picture goes black

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i've been using a region free bios

inner token
frail token
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So does the CHD build need unstable main?

celest iris
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yessir

idle temple
frail token
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it ain't the TARDIS

frail token
celest iris
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keepin' it fresh

ancient surge
high bramble
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Sometimes bringing up the OSD and simply selecting Reset at the bottom of that menu gets me past that point when I have that problem.

mellow bronze
ancient surge
mellow bronze
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Nooooo, that's the only game I cared about

ancient surge
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The strange part is that it did work on older builds, but now it doesn't. I don't know why.

mellow bronze
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Do you know if Fighters Megamix or Fighting Vipers works?

dense hill
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did someone say there's a resource on which games are generally better on pal than ntsc?

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trying to make room for psx

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need to clear out 23gb and I would just wipe pal but I know there's apparently some games better on PAL

ancient surge
mellow bronze
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Okay at least there some fun things to try

ancient surge
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Actually, Fighting Vipers is lagging a lot for some reason. Like random lag spikes causing inconsistent frame rates.

Haven't tested this game in a while so I don't know if this a new issue or not.

serene thunder
frail token
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It kind of flew under the radar

wise brook
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short answer. nothing is better in pal. there's some pal exclusives that run wrong in 60htz

ancient surge
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I'm guessing the interlacing isn't optimized and Fighting Vipers doesn't like it? Wouldn't explain why the other SEGA fighting games run smoothly.

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Sent a report about it

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Think I found another dead game.

Thunder Force Gold Pack 2 doesn't boot for me. Anyone want to double check this?

umbral bluff
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4c

umbral bluff
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It doesn't work for me

polar geode
ancient surge
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Might have a bad dump then. I'll need to double check that later.

polar geode
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All I use are redump

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If you have that its identical

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You could try renaming the core's config file and starting that fresh

weary verge
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Is it still normal to get “cd bios not found” error and having games boot anyway

plush jetty
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I've never done a manual update of unstable nightly, can someone explain what I need to replace and where? Hoping to get chd up and running; already have the newer core that enables that 🙂

naive whale
warped cliff
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srg320's development approach seems to be quite traditional. first getting everything implemented even if its buggy, then tackling issues in the order of severity. so minor issues are typically the last to go.

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it's interesting to see the contrast from Robert's approach

serene thunder
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They both have lots of VG junkies testing for them, which is great

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Friendly competition? hehe

warped cliff
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well, only now srg320 can really benefit from VG junkie testing, now that he's accepting issue reports.

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well, maybe people have been tweeting to him about different issues, or he's been watching reviews

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hard to say

serene thunder
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I wonder if they could figure out how to implement the MPEG playback for Saturn

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PSX has one variant which does VCD, but no games the way Saturn uses it

warped cliff
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for both PSX and Saturn it was an add-on. I don't know if it's an official add-on

native dagger
serene thunder
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Yeah, SEGA made their own Video Card
And PSX has one Asia model which includes VCD

warped cliff
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but last I remember, the Saturn core is using over 90% of the LEs. I seriously doubt an mpeg decoder will fit.

serene thunder
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Yep

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Make the ARM side handle it! somehow

warped cliff
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HPS to FPGA communication is hopelessly slow for something like video playback

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Thats why you never really see it in any of the cores

plush jetty
native dagger
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You'll see it says saturn chd loading

desert vessel
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It's so worth it.

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And I'm amazed at what srg320 has been doing. I can play Sega Touring Car Championship now!

plush jetty
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wow, this core, so damn good

serene thunder
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Imagine having all these games on the console back then
Now some of the thunder has been stolen by the arcade cores like CPS II

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Those ports still have nice additions on Saturn though

white yoke
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for the next upgrade for Saturn is cd images in .chd

serene thunder
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Yeah I've been waiting with my cherrypicked JP games

lusty rapids
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it looks as if you use unstable mister main and build yourself a saturn core from the latest commits (looks like unstable-nightlies builder hasn't caught on to the repo change yet, so not showing up over there at the moment), chd might work

serene thunder
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I be patient

warped saddle
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you just need unstable main

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the change to the core is cosmetic

analog totem
dawn nexus
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Apologies if this has been answered repeatedly but are we able to set up input to map 3d pad to like a DualShock analog stick?

warped saddle
warm mica
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How come every game I try to load results in it saying Drive door open ? I am trying to load CHDs on the latest nightly core

hollow snow
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do you have the latest unstable mister build?

warm mica
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Yes. That is how I can load CHDs

warped saddle
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are all your chds in one directory?

warm mica
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Each game is in it's own folder but games are in categorized subfolders

warm mica
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My Saturn CHDs are part of the 1G1R collection

analog totem
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@warm mica Hmm, none of my CHDs have .ccd or .sub files paired with them, it’s just single CHD files for every game…seems like that wouldn’t matter, but 🤷‍♂️

warm mica
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@analog totem yea I grabbed a bunch of CHDs from somewhere else and it is the same result

analog totem
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weird, I’ve never seen that…then again for Saturn I just have been downloading redump bin/cues and converting them with chdman

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you could try removing those files from the folder and see if it makes a difference

astral crane
warm mica
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Yes

astral crane
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and the bios?

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sometimes the core needs to reset to be able to run, load, load again, then reset and run again

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but drive open

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strange

glass aurora
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CHD and CCD/SUB are 2 separate formats. If you have all of those file types for the same game, then you have dupes.

white yoke
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I wish I knew about Chdman program earlier but sadly it's not the in the current saturn core osd menu

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for ps1 and sega cd it is

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and turbo grafx16

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too

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in the next Ao486 core they should put it in there too that would be awesome too

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thanks for the info circuitbent

weary verge
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Look at you guys with your fancy and neat chd files

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I just use unmerged bins bc laziness

astral crane
pearl harbor
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Ended up just converting all my Saturn games to CHD anyway. Was planning on holding off a bit for it, but it didn't take long since my Saturn folder only contains the games I want to play and not something the entire catalog. Feels good. gex

mortal mist
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I have about 50 games , so I don't even bother 🙂

stiff patrol
fallen terrace
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CHDs and CRT working a treat, thanks to all involved! 🙂

inland merlin
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so currently there's no way to load CHD files on the saturn core while staying on the stable MiSTer branch correct?

mortal mist
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yes , correct

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but it won't spoil anything , you can try unstable mister main 🙂

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#unstable-nightlies message

ancient fractal
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The changes are on the master branch, it’s not highly experimental unstable stuff

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Not sure why the unstable wording is used around here

mortal mist
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since that's the name that comes up when it's released here, people use that wording

tawny forge
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@burnt matrix should rename #unstable-nightlies to nightly-builds

mortal mist
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What if MiSTers start exploding ?

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better to know it's unstable 😛

fallen terrace
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If you're not unstable then you're not trying

polar mountain
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When you put the unstable main and later run update all it just overwrites it?

fallen terrace
brazen rampart
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Hi; I can't get any CHD to load, I have a "drive door open" message in the BIOS

mortal mist
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with latest unstable mister main ?

brazen rampart
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yep

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and the 23.10.11 core

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I have my games on usb0

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\192.168.2.225\usb0\games\SATURN

marble lion
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i had the same and reinstalled the mister main unstable did a full power down and it worked

brazen rampart
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that's what I did, no dice

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I'll try to reinstall the main unstable again

mortal mist
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Where did you get the chd images from ?

brazen rampart
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I converted my bin/cue with chdman

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ok, I got it to work now

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odd

strong zephyr
mortal mist
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there are sound and volume problems, a known issue

ancient surge
strong zephyr
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Ah ok, was not aware. I want to try an read everything, but because of that my book mark is still in sept23 or so :S Thanks!

ancient surge
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I've noticed the SEGA fighting games are especially bad with the low volume.

strong zephyr
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Was just trying out sega rally (as i heard that's a good way to verify if your ram and the saturn core want to be friends...) and in the hunt, which didn't work, but read in the pins that i should disable port 2 🙂 also tried battle garegga which was mostly fine for weeks already (but been a while since i played so not sure if the sound was low back then as well, guessing most likely yes)

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sega rally looking, but low volume, in the hunt black screen, and bgreg fine but again low volume in sounds

tiny prairie
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I'm guessing compatibility lists are outdated with the last release? Virtual On is showing in the spreadsheet as unplayable but it's working beautifully now

mortal mist
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has not been updated for months

high bramble
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Yeah, I get no sound whatsoever with Sega Rally Championship (on my MiSTer Multisystem board). Every now and then, depending on the alignment of the planets when I decided to run the game, I may get a brief pop/glitch noise when I pass a checkpoint, but other than that, complete silence. Game plays fine otherwise though.

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I'll try it on my other MiSTer (standard 'stack') eventually.

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I am running the audio through the optical output using the single SDRAM version of the core.

tiny prairie
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the optical out might be the thing there - i'm running single SDRAM core and Sega Rally sound is perfectly fine, volume isn't so bad either

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USA bin/cue

high bramble
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I've considered trying it with the HDMI output eventually. I'm using optical out since I'm using that Multisystem on my main 1440p PC monitor via HDMI, and I don't have a way to pass through the HDMI audio.

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Other games on the core play sound though over optical, so that's why I haven't really considered that as a possible source of the problem.

tiny prairie
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just thinking of wht the differences could be really

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I know some people seem to get different results depending on RAM sticks, but other than that

high bramble
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Most likely reason is the 'integrated' SDRAM.

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I'm not too concerned about it. It is what it is. Just making an observation. 🙂

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I have little doubt it will probably improve with future updates.

wicked hearth
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I just installed a 2 chip RAM module instead of my 4 chip mod rule and all the problems I was having with the Saturn core went away. Nothing was loading on the 2 chip. Just went to a black screen. The bios would almost never have sound and would sometimes have crashed graphics.

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Even the special 4C version of the core didnt work for me

high bramble
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This core is very picky about RAM of all types, revisions, and configurations.

wicked hearth
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Lucky it likes the new ram I got ! Now I can play virtua fighter!!!

tiny prairie
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I'll try VF and see if i've won the RAM lottery then 🙂

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Everything else so far has been excellent, only problem is low volume on Daytona USA

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but that's a well known thing so

wicked hearth
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This was the module giving me all my problems

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I noticed that the Japanese version of shinobi wouodnt load for me but might be a bad bin/cue. Will try another one today

mortal mist
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in osd

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it's a game bug

wicked hearth
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Ah! thanks for the tip.

burnt matrix
weary verge
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people are finding sounds are better on dual sdram?

mortal mist
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no change for me with dualsdram

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same problems

weary verge
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I was wondering if twinkle star sprite's sound effects being scratchy had anything to do with the core

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turns out that's just how it is on real hardware, it's the game itself lol. Seems to run perfectly in the core

ancient surge
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Yeah the developers made the audio in Twinkle Star Sprites heavily compressed during matches.

I'm guessing they were prioritizing stuff like the voiced cutscenes and the FMV that they had to heavily compress the audio during matches.

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Funny thing is that the bonus omake CD, despite having all the art and voice clips, is actually smaller than the game itself. Weird...

tiny prairie
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goddamn Radiant Silvergun is working almost perfectly, what the hell

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really does seem like sound issues are the last of the biggies

supple vine
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And Goraud Shading

tiny prairie
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and sprite scaling tbh, soukyugurentai just has flat out invisible enemies while they're scaling in/out

odd halo
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sound just quits pretty much, half way through the first level? I didn't know if it was just for me.

mortal mist
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Music is ok here

quick sorrel
tiny prairie
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come again

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okay I see exactly what you mean now lmao

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yes I get dial-up modem sounds

strong zephyr
ancient surge
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So I did testing on some games that failed on me by overclocking the RAM.

SEGA AGES After Burner II now works, but there is no sound.

Thunder Force Gold Pack 2 also boots with the overclocking.

open glen
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what's the yc.text file the latests mister nightly references?

upper dust
heady tulip
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HI. How do I manage save files in multi-disc games?

tiny prairie
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Load Backup RAM separately I imagine

strong zephyr
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hdmi no difference, bgreg has soft volume, Sega rally has a few pops n cracks resembling the og sound. Going to a friend who upgraded his ram, so will witness the difference first hand! Oh for full disclosure, this was the eur version of sega rally, may try the usa one as well 🙂

alpine pagoda
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I have an mms, sega rally sounds fine for about 50 seconds into the first race, then the engine and music drop out.

gloomy hedge
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Same but more like 1 second, Sega rally no sound, along with a. ...Giant list of games with sound that works for 1 sec

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I'm assuming this is a known issue lol

tiny prairie
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Would BIOS impact this?

astral crane
tiny prairie
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Interesting - Other than RAM configuration I'm just wondering what the difference is, especially as I'm getting mostly fine sound other than the weird glitches in radiant silvergun, low volume in daytona usa

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sega rally is practically flawless for me

alpine pagoda
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Yeah it’d have been nice if the mms behavior was consistently wrong at this point.

astral crane
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Months ago, we had no sound, only hissing

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I think this is the way he chooses to do it

upper dust
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good safety measure - better than blowing out your speakers with a terrible screech

dense hill
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on a brand new mister should you run update all once before you grab an unstable?

wise brook
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won't do any harm

gloomy hedge
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I dont know exactly why but its just how it is'

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everyone has different results

tiny prairie
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Fair enough, in that case.

gloomy hedge
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ive said this before but its a WIDE range of results, unlike any core ive seen

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its really bizarre

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I think though, here's the positive bit

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when the core improves, my game list gets better, and so does my neighbors

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so the rising tide is lifting all boats

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also every day a new person pings me and says DUDE SATURN IS OUT ITS HAPPENING!

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and im like " no its the same beta " - I think literally everyone thinks the core is complete

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except folks in the know

weary verge
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you need unstable main for the latest saturn core?

tiny prairie
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Only if you want to use .chd I think

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i'm using V230915 and it's perfectly fine with bin/cue 🙂

mortal mist
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Yes, new unstable added chd support

strong zephyr
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Sorry for the necro reply, but i just played it and found it nigh uncontrolable! does it have a default setup for analogue sticks? Part 2 actually played pretty nice (and very good gfx for a ps1 game as well!)

warm mica
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To play Saturn CHDs do I need to use the latest nightly Saturn core build (which I am using) and unstable MiSTer (I'm not using) I load a CHD and it says the door is open. I am using the modified Hitachi BIOS

astral crane
tall radish
astral crane
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I said it before

tall radish
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the saturn from update_all also loads CHDs even if it does not say it. you need the latest unstable though

tall radish
astral crane
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It's a must have it

ancient surge
#

So just a friendly reminder that if you want to report issues with the core, ideally you should report on something game specific.

Stuff like the gouraud shading and audio problems are known issues and srg is aware of it, so don't report on that. But stuff like certain games failing to boot or specific actions that causes consistent crashes should be reported on.

Also double check just to make sure it's not your setup that has certain issues or if you have a bad dump.

native dagger
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I don't have access to github, would it help at all if I post any bugs here for people to follow up on and then they open a ticket?

acoustic sable
native dagger
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Will do 🫡

quartz marsh
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Hello why Saturn core is the only one that doesn't support 4 chips ram ? Nothing can prevent changing these modules in the future releases ?

acoustic sable
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4 chip ram sticks are out of spec, nonstandard.
The Saturn core is very sensitive to ram sticks in general, not just the four-chip ones. Perhaps later it will become less sensitive, and perhaps even the nonstandard four-chip will work. Perhaps not.

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They were made by one vendor, because they were cheaper for him to make.

mortal mist
quartz marsh
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Oh what a waste...

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Thanks !

weary verge
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the character shadows in asuka 120% are just a squished refelection of the character sprites, does anyone know what would make this happen?

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game is perfectly fine otherwise

mortal mist
pearl harbor
mortal mist
mortal mist
umbral bluff
acoustic sable
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Unless Antonio got someone else making and selling his design, yes.

mortal mist
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I also don't know anyone else who sells a 4C

stiff patrol
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it was used in the Ironclads too

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as far as I know

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I think even AV doesnt sell it anymore

mortal mist
desert vessel
# mortal mist

So...does this mean we need dual SDRAM for some other extended features, like RAM carts?

mortal mist
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Two left 🙂

stiff patrol
#

The Authors Github says 2 for best compatibility

mortal mist
desert vessel
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OK. I'm admittedly way behind on my testing.

mortal mist
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For now, with my tests with one and two sdrams I see no difference

desert vessel
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I'm just wondering where people stand on games that require RAM carts like Vampire Savior and Street Fighter Alpha 3.

mortal mist
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Ram is supported in core single and dual

stiff patrol
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2nd stick is never about total ram

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its all about ram bandwidth

desert vessel
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I feel like this core is very close. The last time I tested (admittedly a long time ago) a lot of games simply didn't work.

mortal mist
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I finished Guardian Heroes some time ago

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Works great

umbral bluff
# mortal mist

I'm gonna do harakiri if No one resolves this in this month 😭

mortal mist
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It can't be reconciled, it's like me creating a 6C sdram now and expecting someone to adapt the psx core to it because it doesn't work, changes for the 6C will cause it to not work well for the 2C

umbral bluff
stiff patrol
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the other cores are not as demanding on ram timing

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the saturn is pushing the hardest

desert vessel
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The Saturn has always been troublesome to emulate for a reason.

acoustic sable
stiff patrol
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and so it shows the weakness of the Non standard 4 chip

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You purchased a non standard design, probably not knowing, you are now paying the price

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you should contact AV and ask him to replace it with the 2 chip design

umbral bluff
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I was saving these for more than 1 year in order to open them yesterday but 4c ram destroyed my dreams

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stiff patrol
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Contact AV and see if he will make it right

umbral bluff
stiff patrol
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so contact him and ask for a replacement

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the fact the current cores work is just luck

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nothing more

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Its like you fitted an aftermarket turbo to a car and then found it damaged the engine. The car manufacturer wont do anything to support your non standard turbo

umbral bluff
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What about the DB9 connector ? I mean it seems to be a better decision than the fake usb 3.0 socket or am I wrong ? If so please teach me why

stiff patrol
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Thats non standard too

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and needs special cores compiled just for it

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AV has a habit of making up his own designs

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if you deviate from the standard you have to support it yourself

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It may seem I am being Harsh but the 4 Chip is non standard so why should a Dev support it. Just contact AV and ask for a replacement

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arguing it should work will get you nowhere

umbral bluff
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I bought his product mainly because it featured 2 player SNAC support (from what i knew before even official mister had it)

mortal mist
umbral bluff
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and also liked the acrylic clear shell design

stiff patrol
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but now you know. All you need to do is replace the 4 c with a 2 chip and you can keep your DB9 and case

mortal mist
#

But it also did not work well in @umbral bluff

umbral bluff
stiff patrol
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but 4 chip if it works in the future will be by luck

mortal mist
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And i took code from Antonio fork

stiff patrol
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Sadly his forks are often behind the current

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Saturn is a very demanding core, and good as AV is I doubt he can improve SRG320 memory handling

mortal mist
#

The code was quite up to date

stiff patrol
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its not being done to punish 4 Chip. Its just the dev is pushing the 2 chip to the max

mortal mist
#

What I'm getting at is that even the changes made won't make it work for everyone with 4C

stiff patrol
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so currently you either get a 2 chip or face incompatibility

umbral bluff
#

Even N64 is working perfectly in AV Mister

stiff patrol
#

Again the Saturn is pushing harder

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you are comparing Apples with Oranges

desert vessel
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The N64 has a much simpler architecture, too.

stiff patrol
#

My neighbours Porsche goes faster than my Golf

umbral bluff
#

Don't destroy my hopes man 😥

stiff patrol
#

I am trying to make see you reality

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holding out for a 4 chip fix is probably just going to make you sad

umbral bluff
stiff patrol
#

Thats a common feeling 🙂

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as I have said many times try contacting AV and ask if he will replace it

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you never know he may well say yes

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but just becasue other cores work on the 4C doesnt mean any other or future core will

umbral bluff
#

Does anyone here by chance have any spare 2c sdram that could be given me away xd ?

sick python
stiff patrol
#

even his 2 chip looks wierd

mortal mist
sick python
#

Cheaper to make you'd think it'd be cheaper to sell

desert vessel
#

That's the one you want, @umbral bluff.

sick python
desert vessel
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The one from MisterAddons, if you're in the USA.

stiff patrol
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boards looks stretched in his pic

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lots of wasted PCB at the bottom

drifting frigate
#

Hey @warped saddle - does CHD stream out of DDR3 or anywhere with a faster I/O bus than SD? I'm wondering if it might actually be extra beneficial just based on the fact that some games have issues with SD speeds. I couldn't get any load reproes on the newest core to test, but I used to have a ton of problems with SD on one of my MiSTers (bin/cue days). It'd be really cool if this helped the streaming stability as a bonus! I'm probably utterly wrong on my thinking though. But half the bits + the decompression overhead might be faster than direct bin/cue SD streaming if my monkey brain is even kind of comprehending what's going on.

tranquil mulch
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I have wandered her from N64 land cause I heard the core is public now?

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I will read the pins

stiff patrol
#

its in update all

zinc vine
#

how can i tell if i have 2c or 4c

stiff patrol
#

its still beta though

drifting frigate
tranquil mulch
#

i did update all and didn't see it, but once again I iwll look through the pins

zinc vine
#

i order one from misteraddon

drifting frigate
#

You're good.

stiff patrol
#

Its 2 chip

zinc vine
#

the other one i bought it somewhere idk where

stiff patrol
#

if you see 4 chips its 4 chip but Misteraddons has only ever sold 2 chip

drifting frigate
#

Antonio Villena is the only store I know of (official....ignoring Ali) that sells 4 chip

mortal mist
#

4c

drifting frigate
#

What Tim says.

zinc vine
#

i got misteraddon aluminum case

warped saddle
drifting frigate
#

But the newest updates have really improved it overall, so it's just an academic "I wonder" now.

#

I should have said 'USB2 speeds' not SD, sorry about that.

tranquil mulch
#

Maybe I am not the smartest panda bear, but I think the only questions I have is what I should name the folder with the games and if the boot.rom just needs to be in the root of that folder. Also what is the name of the core and do I need a special setting changed when I run update_all?

mortal mist
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boot.rom -> games/saturn

tranquil mulch
#

ok good that was my intuition

tough star
#

@tranquil mulch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8spmS87zNTc

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summer anvil
#

Tell me why I had to be a Powerslave

mortal mist
tranquil mulch
tranquil mulch
mortal mist
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and turn off second controller in the OSD if you don't use it

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some games have a bug with it , Shinobi, In the Hunt

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it's best to keep games in separate folders

tranquil mulch
#

ok, so now the problem is I ran update all but the core isn't in my console list

zinc vine
#

chd file has save me a lot of space, separate file

sacred goblet
mortal mist
#

Antonio Villena

sacred goblet
quaint dove
#

I’m not going to say it’s Antonio Villena once again making things outside of spec to sell them before anybody else but it’s Antonio Villena once again making things outside of spec to sell them before anyone else.

mortal mist
zinc vine
#

i was about to post it lol

native dagger
tranquil mulch
#

I had to delete the wonderful Jurassic Park for Sega CD

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\it was so difficult /s

wicked hearth
tranquil mulch
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Thank you @mortal mist and @native dagger

#

game is kinda garbage though lol

tiny prairie
#

that's sacrilege, that is

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you obviously are not super sonic racing, or trying to keep your feet right on the ground

tranquil mulch
#

I mean the music gets it to at least a 7/10

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I did feel the sunshine

tiny prairie
#

that's something at least

tranquil mulch
#

Nights is better. feels really good

tiny prairie
#

I haven't tried that on here yet!

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playing some Burning Rangers at the moment, it's so jank but so fun

marble sorrel
#

Is Sonic R working for others? This latest update is just giving me a black screen, didn’t have issues before 🤔

mortal mist
#

yes, works ok

marble sorrel
#

Weird

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I’ll keep trying

pearl harbor
#

Is it possible to map the 3D controller's triggers to buttons on non 3D controllers? Like I was trying to play Sega Rally Championship Plus using a PS4 controller so I could try it with analog controls, but since the game requires use of the Saturn 3D controller's triggers for brake and accelerate, it doesn't seem possible?

glass aurora
#

@inner token request: I know we're not ready for the final SNAC solution yet, but I'd love to see another build for SNAC on this latest Saturn core. I've been switching back and forth between the old SNAC Saturn core for my 3D Pad and the latest core for my M30 controller.
I've found that the latest core plays more games that use the 3D Pad, but SNAC is the only way I have to use my 3D Pad right now. Also, switching between boot.bin for the old SNAC core and boot.rom for the new core is a slight hassle. CHD+SNAC would be nice too. 🙂

clear condor
#

If you get a USB adapter that supports the 3D Pad, then that should work with the current core

inner token
glass aurora
#

awesome! appreciate it!

amber lichen
#

Wow RAM really jumped in price

#

do you need dual ram for saturn core?

celest iris
#

i don't think anybody can answer that

amber lichen
#

Almost doubled

celest iris
#

oh no kuba and kubbie

mortal mist
celest iris
#

sorry, i meant i don't think anybody can guarantee double won't be necessary to run everything 100% in the future...but i would bet a lot of money the answer is no

#

and single is the best choice right now anyway

astral crane
glass aurora
pearl harbor
#

So Nobody has been able to figure out if the 3D controller's triggers can be mapped?

#

The core seems to recognise analog sticks, but not the triggers.

paper tiger
#

what games used the 3d controller anyway... aside from nights

#

nothing I've ever played that's for sure ;p

pearl harbor
#

Sega Rally Plus used it.

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You need the triggers to accelerate and brake in that game.

paper tiger
#

ah really?

#

lemme try it on a regular saturn

pearl harbor
#

Needs to be the Championship Plus edition of the game.

ancient surge
#

I know Croc had the option to use the 3D controller.

pearl harbor
#

Was really hoping to try that game with analog steering, but no dice if you can't accelerate.

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I still have my actual Saturn 3D controller, but I don't have any SNAC adapters yet.

paper tiger
#

looking at it now

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Sega Rally Championship Plus (Japan).. still on my hard drive. Not in the Saturn

pearl harbor
#

So I figured you could just use a PS4 controller (or even N64 controller?), and it would work as long as you set the input to 3D contoller in the OSD. But it doesn't work.

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I assume it's just that the function hasn't been added to the core yet since it's still really early.

glass aurora
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I was playing Manx TT Superbike and the 3D's analog triggers were working as expected w/ SNAC. I know that's not what you were asking, but just FYI... I heard someone say a while ago that they couldn't map the analog triggers yet in MiSTer, so I'd guess that's still the case.

pearl harbor
#

Just not implemented yet.

paper tiger
#

a crime this late in development for such a mature product

#

i keed!

minor cipher
#

analog triggers can't be mapped yet, there's an open issue for it in github for the mister main

glass aurora
#

Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon Zweig and Saga use the 3D pad.

tiny flare
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https://segaretro.org/3D_Control_Pad

Sega Retro
3D Control Pad

This short article is in need of work. You can help Sega Retro by adding to it.
3D Control Pad, called the Sega Multi Controller (セガマルチコントローラー) in Japan, Samsung Multi Pad (삼성 멀티패드) in South Korea, and the Joystick 3D in Brazil, is a control pad developed for use with the Sega Saturn. Debuting with NiGHTS into Dreams, it was Sega's answer to the...

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Not too many games, but a few good ones that are definitely improved by it

paper tiger
#

i still have a NIB 3D pad that came in the fat Nights box.... i never saw a need to use it.

cunning citrus
#

Hang On GP kinda works with the 3D pad, it is detected as a weel.

glass aurora
#

I think that's what Daytona does as well.

paper tiger
#

but if driving games use it.. that'd be good to try i guess

cunning citrus
#

I played by holding down on the analog stick, allowing for more fine turning by moving into diagonals. It works with the Dreamcast controller too.

#

It was so funny on Hang On, the motorcycle could move from center to full turning in one frame with the 3D pad 🤣

rapid chasm
#

Guardian Heroes works fantastically

quaint dove
#

Speaking of

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I was today years old when I learned that juggling dead enemies indefinitely in GH reduces your karma and impacts the ending you get.

supple vine
#

Now that Saturn is working we can play a good version of UMK3 on MiSTer, am I right?

rigid obsidian
#

Blue Destiny working perfect for me. Last time I played it on emulation I had flickery graphical probs, nice to see it looking good here.

rapid chasm
#

does Bulk Slash work?

#

was gonna try the English ver of that and Stellar Assault

mortal mist
rapid chasm
#

sweet

torn saddle
#

I loaded a heap of random jp games I hadn't played to give em a shot awhile ago

#

now the core is in a better place I got to enjoy this one

native dagger
#

I randomly loaded that up last night and was pleasantly surprised

torn saddle
#

very fun

#

great sprites

native dagger
#

I only recognized the characters from tatsunoko vs capcom

untold lintel
sudden tusk
#

SATURN IS LIFE!

desert vessel
sudden tusk
desert vessel
#

Folks should play Goiken Muyou: Anarchy in the Nippon.

#

It's a Virtua Fighter clone, but a very good one.

supple vine
torn saddle
#

sure, lots of ports back in that gen

#

usually the saturns ones are superior for shmups

supple vine
#

Original release of Bokkan was for PS1, Saturn is a "remake port" (I just checked, didn't know this either).

#

I think Sokyogurentai is better on Saturn.

#

But PS1 has Raiden DX, hard to beat that.

#

Does the music still stop after a few minutes on Radiant Silvergun?

pearl harbor
#

Well there are some audio issues still, but the music doesn't cut out anymore.

desert vessel
serene thunder
#

I wonder if Guardian Force works

pearl harbor
serene thunder
#

Any discussion of ST-V on MiSTer?

rapid chasm
#

Blast Wind works but there's a weird bug where random sounds will start playing

#

got to final stage and died because I picked the wrong path I think

serene thunder
#

I guess the ST-V would be pretty redundant, as all the good stuff got a Saturn release
And the other stuff is like quiz and weird cabs with sit-down vehicles and stuff

ancient surge
#

The main issue is that the FPGA is already being pushed to the limits, so for now we should be focusing on improving the accuracy.

serene thunder
#

System 32 would be more worthy of time

rapid chasm
#

Batman Forever's best version is on there

#

so it's worth it for that lol

serene thunder
#

That game

drifting frigate
#

It's pretty great.

weary verge
#

god

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saturn hotd is sooooooo choppy

#

it's trying it's best

serene thunder
#

Yeah that port gets love but is also fug/jank

weary verge
#

it was like THE port

#

so I get it

#

if only they didn't lose the source code so we could get a closer port eventually 😢

errant sand
#

hello dudes - are we stable now? or just in main?

drifting frigate
#

Just in main

#

Still very ... I'd say alpha honestly.

unkempt oar
drifting frigate
#

But for a growing number of games it's spectacular.

unkempt oar
#

And yeah it's better on Saturn

drifting frigate
#

I really love shooters even though I usually only see the first few levels. I'm getting better ... when I was a kid I was legitimately terrible at them. Now that I'm butting up against the Sunset Specials Menu, I've got the patience to actually play them.

unkempt oar
#

I love them. One of my favorites genres. I'm glad you called them shooters. I can't stand shmup.. lol

weary verge
#

Shumps like to look like they’re not gonna be so bad on stage 1-2

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As soon as you hit stage 4 in most shumps in my exp…thats where you wanna practice the most lol

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Thats how I felt messing with dondonpachi anyway

unkempt oar
#

Yeah bullethell shooters are a different beast. They are not my preference but I enjoy them

drifting frigate
#

Yeah, I like rhythm games in small doses and that's what bullet hells scratch for me. But I tend to go back to them every now and then just for the eye candy.

weary verge
#

Of all the 3d punch kick games to show no issues from my testing…does it gotta be last bronx? Lol

unkempt oar
#

You don't like Last Bronx?

weary verge
#

I don’t know enough about it to have a strong opinion on it

ancient surge
#

Honestly glad people are just interested in exploring the library. Despite all the hell SEGA went through, the SEGA Saturn has a surprisingly solid library.

topaz cairn
#

So is the core from update all the single ram or dual ram build?

ancient surge
burnt matrix
#

damn, dual ram snubbed again. How long will this injustice go on!

topaz cairn
#

So is there going to be no more dual ram or does it just need to be installed manually? Is dual ram no longer recommended?

ancient surge
native dagger
unkempt oar
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I was very pro Saturn when it was out. I owned a PS1 too but preferred to game on Saturn

#

Its what led me to start importing games and modding my system

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For KoF95

rigid obsidian
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The saturn when I was growing up was the weird console I only saw at Target and nobody I knew talked about

#

I had the pc port of bug and some other saturn stuff though.

#

virtual-on

weary verge
#

Cotton 2/Cotton boomerang are very good shumps

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Very impressed with them

unkempt oar
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My buddies and I played lots of 2D fighters so Saturn was the best place to do that

#

PS1 versions were usually inferior

weary verge
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Im spoiled now by how easy it is to load up cps2/neogeo emus

unkempt oar
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This is true

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Unless the console port had stuff to set it apart like SFZ 3 it's better to play the arcade cores

drifting frigate
#

"You haven't experienced Saturn until you've played it in the original Klingon....the Diamond Edge 3D..."

unkempt oar
#

I thought that was Shakespeare?

drifting frigate
#

Thankfully my brother was massively into Saturn so I got to experience a lot of it. He's got a not complete, but closer to complete than not NA collection and quite a few JP games, but even back when it was contemporary he had tons of games for it. The RPGs were very nice, but yeah, the 2D fighters were absolutely breathtaking back then.

drifting frigate
unkempt oar
#

Yeah. Objectively PS1 is the better system as far as variety and whatnot. But I love my Saturn.

drifting frigate
#

It was a console of experiences for sure. I'd never played ANYTHING like Guardian Heroes. We sank hours into that during formative years...though I mostly was a game watcher at that time because I had that stupid 'if you can't do it perfectly right away, don't even try' mentality back then. But it floored me.

unkempt oar
#

Yeah it was crazy good.

paper tiger
#

I really wanted Guardian Heroes

#

But I simply never saw it for sale! And back then that was pretty much that

unkempt oar
#

Yeah

winter phoenix
#

The list of games accepted for Awesome Games Done Quick 2024 is up … and there’s one Saturn game: Virtual Hydlide! It’ll be during the “awful games done quick” block 😆 Paging @burnt matrix https://gamesdonequick.com/submission/games-list

drifting frigate
#

We had the luckiest KB ever. My parents live in Idaho and their manager ordered all of the small batch stuff, but it was...you know...Idaho. So nobody played it. . So they got tons of things that are super rare now. I don't think he'd be a collector if he hadn't picked up everything dirt cheap back in the day.

drifting frigate
burnt matrix
winter phoenix
#

The best open world game ever made will get its time in the spotlight 🙌

warm mica
#

@astral crane thanks again for your help. CHDs now working after I ran update_n64 script which also updates the main MiSTer to unofficial

#

Is there a BIOS that I can use to where I don't have to keep switching regions in the core options when playing USA/Japan games?

drifting frigate
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I'm doing captures so I built latest just to get the little CHD text from the config string to show up. Hehe. But now I'm worried it may not be a good thing to put something waiting for an official build into a video. I'm so conflicted.

ancient surge
warm mica
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I currently use a Hitachi BIOS. I like the intro animation

quick sorrel
#

Under the Audio & Video section, 320x224 aspect: original or corrected - I'm playing on a 16:9 flat panel (my CRT setup is being worked on so I cannot confirm), why does corrected stretch the image?

ancient surge
quick sorrel
#

So original for CRTs and corrected for 16:9 monitors?

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Or rather, it depends on the game?

warm mica
#

@ancient surge what's the name of it?

paper tiger
#

First game to definitely try on the Saturn core is Thunder Force Gold Pack

#

finally we can play Thunder Force 2

analog totem
#

I need to get my SSD ready and get the full Saturn library loaded to start reallllly testing

#

I’m just glad I can boot Shinobi now…maybe I’ll start Powerslave yet again and get stuck on the stupid water level yet again elmorise

trim nimbus
winter phoenix
trim nimbus
#

Yeah, Zophar

burnt matrix
kind stump
#

If anyone is running YC using the **unstable **main and the **unstable **saturn core, you should put this in your yc.txt. It should clean up any dot crawl. You will need both unstable builds for now

SATURN_59.8_6.71=73311341000
SATURN_59.8_7.16=68719476736
SATURN_59.8i_13.42=73311341000
SATURN_59.8i_14.32=68719476736
SATURN_49.9_6.67=91326550000
SATURN_49.9_7.11=85707419670
SATURN_49.9i_13.34=91326550000
SATURN_49.9i_14.22=85707419670

Not sure when main will be updated so this should get you through until then

hardy lodge
#

Whats the best way to shove a bunch of files into a folder of the same name each?

#

So I can keep the multi disk games together in one

quaint dove
umbral bluff
#

What's the difference between ram 2.9 and MiSTer FPGA SDRAM V3.0 ?

sick python
#

Few more grounds I believe, nothing major

umbral bluff
umbral bluff
frail token
tiny flare
#

I found this one liner I posted a while back, not sure where the rest of my script got to, haha:
out_dir=$(basename "$i" | sed 's/\(^.*\)\.chd/\1/g;s/\(^.*\) (Disc [0-9])/\1/g')

pearl harbor
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Misteraddons' stuff is always guaranteed to be the right kind you need.

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@unkempt kelp can answer any questions if you have any.

unkempt kelp
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V3.0 has the voltage regulator on the same side as the SDRAM ICs

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V2.9 has the voltage regulator on the opposite side of the SDRAM ICs

fallow surge
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I just got done playing Saturn with my childhood friend who@hasn’t seen a crt in 20 years. Afterwards I go to the gas station for snacks and head back home and find a 20 something inch trinitron on the side of the road

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Going to put him on the mister bandwagon

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If we were playing n64 this would have never happened

lucid needle
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Wasn’t the screen positioning supposed to be fixed? Everything is still shifted to the left for me,

fallow surge
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Because god loves sega more

wise brook
lucid needle
wise brook
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have you tried the nightly version? with the latest unstable?

lucid needle
wise brook
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so you just need the Saturn core posted by MikeS. I'll see if I can spot the message containing it

search seems busted

lucid needle
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Thanks!

wise brook
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hang on,
unstable MiSTer check.
and the latest unstable saturn

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cause MikeS has said you need to do this too

#1046941029296779344 message

lucid needle
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Ah I see. I misunderstood – I thought the latest official build plus unstable main would fix the positioning. Thanks for your detective work!

wise brook
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I mean if it is a problem... it will all be on main in a matter of days so there's always that

lucid needle
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Not that big of a problem really. I can wait.

buoyant flint
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Sega Rally USA, sound still stops after a second or two... Elevator Action 2, sound seems to distort after the chopper goes down on level 1.. anyone else same results?

lone spire
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is the MiSTer gaslightning me or is the boot.rom file being deleted during update_all? I keep copying the boot.bin to boot.rom every once in a while

quartz marsh
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Just had a discussion with AV yesterday there's a fork of Saturn core compatible with 4c with a limited list of things that don't work well yet

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It's in the db9 forks depot

buoyant flint
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Taito Chase HQ & S.C.I has a big green horizontal gfx glitch 😳

S.C.I glitch is still there and other gfx glitches in background

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Final Fight Revenge - just black screens, even after changing it to 4MB?

lucid needle
wise brook
buoyant flint
tranquil mulch
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Anybody want to recommend a mostly Nintendo bear some Saturn games?

lucid needle
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If you're into shmups: Batsugun, Soukyuu Gurentai, Layer Section I & II, Radiant Silvergun, Guardian Force

tranquil mulch
lucid needle
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Yeah it's a great game in my opinion.

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I've been playing a lot of Sega Rally. Guardian Heroes is also really good if you're into side scrolling beat 'em ups. Burning Rangers is janky but a lot of fun.

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Oh and I've always dismissed Shinobi Legions because of its graphical style, but once I played it, it turned out to be a real banger.

tranquil mulch
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I want to also look into Grandia, but I need to find a translation. I know it is on PSX but it's better on Saturn, right?

lucid needle
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I don't enjoy RPGs at all so I unfortunately can't say.

waxen vortex
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Just to sanity check with everyone. If you use a Japanese BIOS (which I use a Region Free variant of the Hi-Saturn BIOS), when the CD Player screen opens up, do you initially hear Static and then the "Door is open" jingle plays?

The Static should be what I describe as a Zoom Sound Effect?

pine bobcat
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Yep, I get the same thing

wise brook
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I should make a list of Saturn games for the Nintendrones

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if you like x then try y. would be a good format

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truth be told tho, whenever I've suggested Panzer Dragoon to someone pining for a new Star Fox they just don't care. because it isn't star fox

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they care more for the brand than the genre it's a part of

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again, in my experience

ancient surge
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Always thought the lock-on system in Panzer Dragoon was inherently more fun to use compared to Star Fox.

Just being able to lock-on to multiple enemies and quickly tear your way through a swarm of enemies is always so satisfying.

drifting crown
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Panzer dragoon is like if Rez had a baby with a lizard

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Zwei was the second game I got with my Saturn.

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The first was Daytona naturally

ancient surge
wise brook
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what if star fox, but good

green jacinth
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quick question does saturn core being added to update all mean it wont be posted in unstable nightlies? or will unstable and whats avail on update all be two diff releases?

digital mauve
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Gals Panic is the best game on Saturn.

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Fight me!

pearl harbor
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In all honesty, it actually is a solid Qix clone.

digital mauve
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It's an exclusive and I really enjoy it a lot in 2023 hindsight.

versed violet
crystal bison
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Blast Wind is awesome! Long live the Saturn!!

quartz marsh
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Do update all and you will see 2 saturn cores the latest is the fork for 4c

versed violet
quartz marsh
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Check it and let us know. My saturn core works for the first time in my 4c setups

winter phoenix
reef herald
thorn sail
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I have a v2.5 sdram and have been having some audio issues with the Saturn core. Is there hope the core will improve for older sdram setups, or should I just buy a newer revision?

versed violet
versed violet
quartz marsh
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Go to updateall setup and activate db9 depot and update that's it

umbral bluff
thorn sail
wise brook
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2.5 may be a different matter

versed violet
mortal mist
stiff patrol
versed violet
stiff patrol
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its not a perfect fix. Its been reported to fail for a number of 4 chip people

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the best solution is not to use a 4 chip

burnt matrix
versed violet
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issue is that my Mister set up is using a reverse RAM board with 4 ships.... i can't use a standard 2 ships board V2.9

stiff patrol
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then you wil probably have to accept not running the saturn core

versed violet
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correct .... so i ordered a RPi5 to try ....

stiff patrol
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The 4 chip is not an official design, the Saturn pushes the ram harder than any other core and fill almost all of the FPGA. The author is under no obligation to support unofficial designs even if he had the space to do so

quaint dove
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What is a reverse ram board?

stiff patrol
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Another of AV's design decisions

versed violet
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correct

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to save some space i guess

pearl harbor
stiff patrol
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all the 3 did is move a voltage reg

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and since MisterAddons supports his products even if there was an issue he would make it good

jolly reef
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MisterAddons has GREAT support. Just gonna emphasize that. He is a very very very patient person 😂

woeful quarry
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I'm not sure if my sound issues are RAM or core related. All sound and music works perfectly in Daytona USA but music only plays for a second or two before going mute in Sega Rally Championship, and sounds barely play at all.

stiff patrol
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do you have a 4 chip

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if you do then its likely that

tall radish
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ultimatemister does the best work, and honest. both my 2.9V ram clocks 160mhz or better. never had issues with saturn or JT cores.

woeful quarry
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I have a 2 chip from MisterAddons but this is from way back when he still sold on Amazon

stiff patrol
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if not then the core is very dependent on Ram

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what speed does it post at in MemTest ?

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my 2.5 is good at about 143 and my 2,9 over 150

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and the saturn is fine for me

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you also have to remember the Saturn core is still being developed

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and thr Authors own github says better compatibility with dual ram

woeful quarry
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I'd have to hook up to an LCD to run MemTest and see anything, it doesn't sync to CRTs

stiff patrol
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well if the ram is slower than 140 ish then you will have issues

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the Saturn pushes things hard

quaint dove
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Does dual ram help with that? Or is the core going strictly single ram?

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I don’t know how old my ram is and I know where my 32MB is for a quick upgrade to dual

stiff patrol
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no one knows

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the Github says dual for better compatability

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dual ram gives bandwidth

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and the saturn eats bandwidth

dense hill
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is the chd update still a nightly or is it mainline

woeful quarry
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I used the unstable for CHD support, I don't think it's merged into main yet

stiff patrol
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its only unstable so far

woeful quarry
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CHDs work fine for me, sounds are hit and miss, I probably need 3.0 RAM

stiff patrol
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I went to dual 128

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my old 2.5 wasnt giving me perfect results

dense hill
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what's the difference between saturn and saturn ds, one is for dual sticks of ram?

stiff patrol
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so I got a 2.9 and used that as the prime

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and since then no issues

stiff patrol
woeful quarry
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I won't go dual but that's a personal preference, I don't want to completely re-setup my analog output

stiff patrol
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DS is purely for dual ram

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think it crashes on a single ram system

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or it did

dense hill
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wait what crashes on single?

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the ds core?

stiff patrol
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the DS version

dense hill
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ah okay

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yeah I went with single ram io board

gentle quiver
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Do you still need to rename the boot?

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for bios?

stiff patrol
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no

idle elk
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I'm basing this on nothing, but I have a feeling that over time this will run perfectly fine on single ram as the core develops.

gentle quiver
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ah im getting bios not found

stiff patrol
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boot.rom

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in the root of the /games/saturn

gentle quiver
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but wouldnt that be renaming it?

stiff patrol
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no thats what it should be called

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you used to have rename it boot.bin to stop a crash

gentle quiver
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ah you just have to place it in now

stiff patrol
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yes

gentle quiver
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👍

pearl harbor
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I see the ghost of boot.bin still lingers around these parts! 👻

stiff patrol
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careful or it will summon its friend 4 chip

pearl harbor
dense hill
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if I'm booting games from a separate disc, do I simply format my drive to an appropriate format then add a folder called games and a folder for the platform and then put them in and that's that?

hardy lodge
stiff patrol
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make sure its named and cased as per the SD card

dense hill
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do I need a special folder for saves or anything or anything else

stiff patrol
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no

dense hill
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what about boot.bin, put it on the external drive or my sd?

stiff patrol
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if your have games on an external disk that hides the SD

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so it will need the bios in the root of the games/Saturn on the external

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essentially just copy the SD folder to the HD

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the mister will only see the HD

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and hide the SD card

dense hill
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cool cool

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should I remove the empty Saturn folder from the sd too?

stiff patrol
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no

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the Mister when it has a Folder on the HD that matches what it expects on the SD card hides the SD card

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its as if it doesnt exist to the Mister

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take the HD out

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and the mister will then see the SD card again

dense hill
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okay cool

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btw, I know on saturn core it's 1 directory per game (multi discs go in one directory)

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is that generally true on mister?

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like is it best to put my games in like

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game/n64/Mario Woohoo/MarioWoohoo.z64, game/n64/Mario BooHoo/MarioBoohoo[!].z64

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or is it best to just do

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games/n64/zelda.z64, games/n64/zelda2.z64

woeful quarry
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I’ve always avoided using exclamation points in file names just from old habits and dos requirements

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I’m sure it’s fine now

dense hill
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I can always strip them with a script if mister doesn't like them

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but yeah, my point is: directories: yay or nay

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in general on mister

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per-game wise I mean

woeful quarry
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I put game zips and chds in their own directory

dense hill
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and roms in a big bunch?

woeful quarry
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No, each rom is it’s own zip file

dense hill
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okay cool so every game gets a directory, and mister understands that and doesn't make me click twice for each game?

hardy lodge
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I just use directories for disc based systems, for uniformity and to keep multi disc games together. For cartridge based ones I just put it all in one folder.

woeful quarry
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Games/MegaDrive/Sonic 2 (USA)/Sonic 2 (USA).zip

dense hill
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oh you leave them ZIPPED?

woeful quarry
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Yeah it reads zips and chds just fine

dense hill
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I've been extracting like a sucker

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can I just rezip them myself

woeful quarry
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Sure

dense hill
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that was foolish of me

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okay actually having said that

pearl harbor
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I'm a CHD madman.

dense hill
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I have some like this

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that were originally all in one zip

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presumably it's 1 game 1 zip right?

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not "here's a zip with 4 romzzz" or is that actually fine

hardy lodge
dense hill
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yeah I got my saturns from 720gb to 416gb

hardy lodge
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Now that's a workout for the cpu

dense hill
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yeah it took a day

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and now I have to do it all again because I just found out I need to zip my roms again

hardy lodge
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I always wait for stuff like that for the temperature to fall in fall/winter. 😄

dense hill
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hahaha

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anyone know the answer to that then btw? 1 zip 1 rom?

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or can you put 5 roms in 1 zip

gentle quiver
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huh

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Game disc unsuitable for this system

mortal mist
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What bios are you using?

gentle quiver
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US/EU 1.01

mortal mist
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You need to set the region in OSD , unless it's free region bios

gentle quiver
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ah right

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lemme do that

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yeah

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Damn first time that actually meant something p necesary

pearl harbor
hardy lodge
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So, for a saturn virgin like me, what would be the best introduction?

trim nimbus
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Depends on your game preferences.

gentle quiver
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For Mister or in general?

trim nimbus
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Phantasm has a list of Saturn games that is in the pins

hardy lodge
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Mostly rpg, but also adventure and horror and stuff.

gentle quiver
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Die Hard Arcade goes to black screen alot so I would reccomend tht if it didnt do that

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whats it called uhhh

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actually ngl I wouldnt reccomend something as long as a rpg rn on the core

trim nimbus
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Rpg, several options for sure: dragon force is probably the best exclusive.

gentle quiver
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but shining force 3 when its up enough

hardy lodge
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Panzer dragoon looks interesting. And saga would probably be a nice epic finally for the trilogy.

trim nimbus
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But very subjective, shining force is really good. Grandia was available on the PlayStation so might not be a great introduction.

gentle quiver
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wow daytona usa works fantastically

trim nimbus
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Shining the holy arc doesn’t work on the core yet, but keep it in your back pocket. And as you mentioned- panzer dragoon saga is also a great game, but might want to familiarize yourself with the universe first with pd1+2

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Bah, I am getting people mixed up 😆

serene thunder
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Panzer Zwei roasted my brain back then
Esp the forest level and the level with the fish boss

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Unsure how it has aged

trim nimbus
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Still pretty good, 2 holds up better than 1 for sure

serene thunder
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I would recommend Oasis for Saturn if you like puzzle-heavy action RPG

trim nimbus
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Oh yeah, action rpg (legend of oasis). Sequel to a genesis game.

serene thunder
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Yeah the Genesis game is really cool also

trim nimbus
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Both are good

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(Beyond oasis for genesis)

serene thunder
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It seems like people still don't really know how good

trim nimbus
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Bother are on mister now, so no reason for ignorance 😄

hardy lodge
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I'll have to start making a list. 😄

trim nimbus
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Once again- phantasm has a great list in pins.

serene thunder
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Genesis game

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trim nimbus
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Magic knight rayearth is worth exploring but I don’t feel the working designs translation aged very well.

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But then again, it could just be me aging along with it 😆

serene thunder
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It was more of an eyecandy thing for me, rather than being deep

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Kind of like Astal for action games

zinc vine
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i gotta do ps1 chd but to lazy

serene thunder
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I re-grabbed instead of converting bin/cue

unkempt oar
celest iris
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not good translate

serene thunder
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If I ever play that stuff again, I'll try the unworked versions

celest iris
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they also fuck with difficulty, it is annoying

unkempt oar
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Yeah I was not a fan of the code changes they made

plush jetty
unkempt oar
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They broke Exile

trim nimbus
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Guardian heroes is a beat-em-up with rpg elements

unkempt oar
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There's an undub for MKR

serene thunder
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I used to play the JP originals, but never fully got all the plot

trim nimbus
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Problem with many of the unworked designs is they fix the balance changes but leave the translation.

serene thunder
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Oh, that's unfortunate

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Maybe you just don't know comedy when you read it 😉
https://n4g.com/news/985808/1up-podcast-vic-ireland-discusses-kickstarter-and-the-resurgent-rpg

1up Podcast: Vic Ireland Discusses Kickstarter and the resurgent RPG

Former Working Designs boss joins the Games, Dammit! podcast crew to talk about his crowd-funded localization venture on Kickstarter and the future of JRPGs. Victor Ireland also discussed lots of memories about his gaming past including his inspiration for localizing many import gems.

ancient surge