Sega Saturn

[wise brook]

my pair of Japanese mission Sticks & the Playstation equivalent

[alpine pagoda]

Nice. I have the ps one, probably would only get the Saturn one if I got a good deal since I can probably use an adapter and use the dual analog with both cores

Also these things and arcade sticks take up too much space 😂

[wise brook]

getting them from Japan is the last place where you can still get a good price on them imo

[alpine pagoda]

If I had to spend close to $100 I’d probably get the twin stick first too

[wise brook]

for $100 I'd expect to get 2 in-box delivered

[alpine pagoda]

That would be nicer

[burnt matrix]

Omg can you really do that?!

[wise brook]

yes my son. and it enables an amazing contol mode for Panzer Dragoon Zwei

analog movement of both your targeting reticle and the your Dragon

so strafe right while aiming left for example

[rustic stream]

What do I need to do to not have to choose the bios every time I load the core?

[mortal mist]

Put the bios under the name boot.rom in the saturn folder

[pearl harbor]

Proving yet again that MiSTer owners don't collect games, they collect controllers.

[white yoke]

lol

[frail token]

I'm glad that's still in circulation

[edgy hollow]

I mean there are a lot of weird controllers on 5th gen

N64 was spared

[sick python]

Madcatz disagrees

[inner kayak]

that thumbstick at the end of the right stick is interesting

[burnt matrix]

It’s a nipple, please don’t discuss it, it’s very self conscious about it

[inner kayak]

heh

designed by Marky Mark

[frail token]

I just have one question for you all

how can you live with yourselves

why is this not the mascot for this channel

[pearl harbor]

You also don't want to get banned for discussing explicit content!

[burnt matrix]

I love Undertale!

[green swift]

It’s worth it. The Saturn port of Night Striker is really fun with it, as well as obvious games like Space Harrier and Afterburner.

[burnt matrix]

Thanks, that genuinely makes me feel better for spending money on it lol

[serene thunder]

Hey I think I found the best Saturn controller

[green swift]

For sure. I image adapters like Pork’s Reflex will give it some additional uses too.

[astral crane]

It's a horseshoe fish

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-hiss-hisses-gif-13049819

[serene thunder]

Sad thing is, it's actually a DC controller, minus the TT pad

[polar geode]

The cursed yellow flatpad

[serene thunder]

Not just poverty controller, but destitution
The real dpad reminds me of cheap easter chocolate

[winter phoenix]

Hells yeaaaaah!

[serene thunder]

I still need to sell one of these puppies

Just the standard box underneath

[rustic stream]

…yeah. I’d have to agree.

[alpine pagoda]

Lol, so true

[edgy hollow]

Just glad i only did psx and saturn controller collecting

[serene thunder]

Famicom has lots of controllers to collect

[wise brook]

the Nintendo Jaguar

[polar geode]

The SNES version of this is supported through daemonbite, I believe. Perfect Jag controller really

[polar geode]

Oh no the pachinko controller

[wise brook]

I have that! well the PC-Engine version

[wise brook]

ngl there's a pachinko game which has an absolutely ludicrous opening fmv . like a legit space opera

[polar geode]

Solder is breaking out the jank Famicom shit tonight

[hard mountain]

I have this for the PC Engine😅

[serene thunder]

I found an archive of "Controller Hell" website
But not much can top that freakish red thing above
I do kind of want this one

I think it flexes in your hands?

[hard mountain]

I've got one of these, and two for SFC from the same brand

I think it's supposed to be used while you use your right hand to... draw maps

[serene thunder]

See I could go for that with RPGs

[hard mountain]

wonder if it would work with FPS using a mouse for looking around

[quaint dove]

My Descent setup

[trim nimbus]

Pretty impressive, although I do have to ask what you move the mouse with if your left hand is on the orb and right is on the gravis

[fallow surge]

Holy crap I owned that white game pad at one point ages ago.

Space orb 360 looks awesome

[drowsy hull]

Thats why gravis controller has the stick attached. It makes it easier to control with the feet

[edgy hollow]

Yeah, was like I'm going to do 5th gen only for mister controllers

Having 2 serial devices is already annoying. Imagine having all of them

Speaking of NES controllers, there's a keyboard with a famicom clone built-in. Annoyingly, it seems that the keyboard is just a prop (no PC connector)

[drifting frigate]

My first "favorite" controller was a Gravis game pad. Part of that was I got it with Descent. But it's the first controller I really preferred using on a PC. It's been dethroned handily, but I did love it. Until the stick broke and I had a plastic spike where my thumb went. But that's not the gravis' fault. The hole for the stick DID tear my thumb up playing DOS SSF2 though.

[inner kayak]

Logitech CyberMan or bust

[gloomy hedge]

🇷 🅰️🇱

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-cringe-gif-26303769

[sick python]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1705593831914184953

[gloomy hedge]

Now you're talkin

I mean the blue wheel is a spinner. Based arcade compatibility

[quaint dove]

That’s absolutely the case and not at all so I don’t lose it

[dense hill]

how were the pal ports on sega saturn

trying to find some space on my mister drive and deleting all of pal would be a good way

are they higher resolution or are they normally just cropped

aka is it usually better to just use ntsc at 60fps?

[sharp mauve]

there are some msu1 mods that i like but theyre nearly all just like the original music but with slightly higher fidelity. I personally hate it when they go overboard with bridges and guitar solos

on the topic of weird controllers:

the msu1 to me is more like "what if the snes cd had existed", not "what if jimmy who is into linkin park and korn was in charge of the f zero soundtrack"

[winter phoenix]

35 PAL games weren't released in North America, so you might find them worth keeping

[winter phoenix]

It is generally better, yes, although lots of PAL games were not PAL-optimized and run normally on NTSC setups

[sharp mauve]

pal is for playing asterix games

[winter phoenix]

also lemmings

[trim nimbus]

There was never a Dizzy game released for the Saturn, therefore no need to worry about the PAL region. 😉

[craggy scaffold]

@gloomy hedge @sick python is that the one that ppl put bluetooth adapters inside?

[quaint dove]

imma total chad managing my saturn games finally

[craggy scaffold]

It's a tough system to organize

[quick lava]

Game of Life?

[quaint dove]

Probably easier for me to start by marking and moving everting I want to keep rather than what I want to hide...

[sharp mauve]

yeah, just weird that theyd bother making this for just that one game

[quaint dove]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676340

But seriously - using mc (midnight commander) is easily the best way (IMHO) to pare down big game collections on MiSTer

[pearl harbor]

Virtual Hydlide!? You have chosen wisely.

[sharp mauve]

physical, real life hydlide

[pearl harbor]

Become one with the hydlide.

[silk mauve]

What's the difference in P4H and P5H? What's that even mean?

[ripe valley]

End of the serial number on the ring code.

[marble laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZhxsDw03Y&t=32s

[zinc flume]

woah

[gloomy hedge]

confirming that there is no "flip" video or rotate in this core yet and I didnt miss something

[polar geode]

Its per game in the options menu

Might be a bug, as there is another game with rotation issues

[sudden tusk]

OMG IRON STORM IS FIXED!

It even sounds pretty dese ..

[dense hill]

would be cool if there was a public list for some of this arcane information about like.. what games just happen to be better on a certain region

[trim nimbus]

conveniently, check pins

phantasm has been working on a pretty comprehensive list of saturn games with notes on each. if you have suggestions, feel free to work from that

in most cases, however, PAL region saturn games are not the best way to play

[kindred peak]

Jinx 😄

[trim nimbus]

haha

[gloomy hedge]

wait really? I cant seem to find it

hmmm I must be stupid

let me check again

[polar geode]

It might be a core bug, there is another game with a rotation ussue

[gloomy hedge]

no I mean the option itself

[kindred peak]

Pfft. You don't play Iron Storm. There are no Street Fighters in it, nerd.

[gloomy hedge]

here?

[polar geode]

Sorry i didn't communicate properly

I meant inside the game

[gloomy hedge]

oh I meant the core itself

the game simply has tate vs yoko

im talking about flipping the screen

I cant turn my tv upside down easily

its already set in its orientation

[kindred peak]

Hah! Welcome to the fun of Tate when it meant you had to turn your TV 😄

[gloomy hedge]

so im guessing it is not there in the core yet

[sudden tusk]

Uhhh .. it still does .. if you are a true OG retro god

[polar geode]

Its a console core so a cocktail flip option is unlikely

[gloomy hedge]

really...

well thats pretty inconvenient lol

anyways good, thanks!

[serene thunder]

I'm not understanding why the image would be upside-down

[gloomy hedge]

my tv is not rotated the right way for this game

[sudden tusk]

If the game supports it .. I think it can be done .. at least that’s how it is with the psx core

Than flip it around

[gloomy hedge]

yes great thanks

[serene thunder]

There are some arcade cores which also tate the "wrong" way
I always have displays which rotate though, but I know HDTVs are another story

[kindred peak]

A few games of this era didn't have a 90 or -90 option. It was just "Tate" and you got whatever the dev thought was the "correct" rotation.

[gloomy hedge]

correct

[sudden tusk]

There’s a obvious solution to this dilemma

[serene thunder]

Oh, so they didn't all stick to one tate orientation, but some used the opposite

[gloomy hedge]

its in the psx core

so I assumed it would also be in the saturn core

at some point

[kindred peak]

Right. It's just not in this core... yet

[gloomy hedge]

yeah thats what I was thinking too

all good

[polar geode]

Oh, cool. Never noticed that lol

[gloomy hedge]

was simply trying to make sure I didnt miss anything

[trim nimbus]

I think that might eat fpga resources though, so …depending on utilization it may or may not fit?

I think someone said we are already sitting pretty close to max?

[gloomy hedge]

just put a fuckin -1 somewhere yo

'- a coder once

[serene thunder]

Display -== tate
I think that's the code

[gloomy hedge]

nailed it see

if aktane's setup then pixelx=pixelx-1920, pixely=pixely-1080

wow im tired lol

lol I really cant change my monitor orientation, its how it is

the cables would be comin out the other side and yada yada, its set, its all good

[serene thunder]

Well if Robert managed to do it for PSX, hopefully it can happen for Saturn
I recall discussion long ago about it not being so simple to implement

[gloomy hedge]

def wanna play those shmups in TATE tho, who the f wants to play them in "sega saturn mode"

no big deal tho

the fact that shit is working at all is a miracle

[kindred peak]

Delete all cores, sell your MiSTer, and never talk to us again?

[alpine pagoda]

If you have a tv that doesn’t rotate easy is there a best way that’s most compatible, or is it 50:50?

[gloomy hedge]

damn deleting cores BEFORE selling, now thats cold

[gloomy hedge]

honestly I think its the fuckin opposite way of what I have hahaha

I have mine rotated clockwise, and apparently that is ass

so I would recommend going anti clockwise

let me throw on raiden dx real quick and see

[serene thunder]

Layer Section, Shienryu, etc

[alpine pagoda]

Lol, thanks. So tv base on the right would be best then. For some reason I always feel the urge to do it the other way :😂

[serene thunder]

All my PC displays rotate CW

Which works for all the arcade cores save for a few

[gloomy hedge]

yeah thats how I have it setup

and have used every thing properly with that setup - so far no issues

[serene thunder]

I always check the main menu options and DIP settings, but a couple just don't have the needed settings

I gotta look up a list of tate games for PSX

[gloomy hedge]

classic

see

same issue with psx

except based robert

[serene thunder]

Interesting, so they weren't even using a standard tate practice

[gloomy hedge]

no

I mean the standard practice I think was the OTHER WAY

I would have reason to believe it was CCW

[serene thunder]

Well shoot

[gloomy hedge]

so Raiden and Saturn Shmups rotate the same way

[kindred peak]

Nope.

[gloomy hedge]

yeah we're all hosed

its probably not 100% but

I think majority seem to go CCW

I mean guys we're stupid think about it

most people are _____

right footed

so when you kick your tv

you'd kick it hard with your RIGHT foot

thereby flipping it onto its CCW side

https://tenor.com/view/there-you-have-it-boys-case-closed-the-simpsons-gif-13616870

[serene thunder]

It would depend on how you kick it
Like if I kick the lower-right corner, then I'm gonna tate CW

But I can also kick the upper-right corner

[gloomy hedge]

how inf uck

would you SWEEP

a tv

this shit aint no steven segal film

work with me here bob

[serene thunder]

Seagal doesn't kick people, too much work

[gloomy hedge]

he do kick em

but mad low

like how you would kick that tv

[serene thunder]

Oh like ankle kicks

[gloomy hedge]

exactly

thanks for coming to my ted talk drunk history lesson

[serene thunder]

Well, mention the flip option to Robert

He'll prob do it during a bathroom break

[gloomy hedge]

I'm a new kid 😦

wait Robert is helping with the core?

[kindred peak]

No harm in asking. He's super friendly

Just be polite

[gloomy hedge]

LISTEN MOTHERF..

oh yeah

polite got it

[kindred peak]

Robert is our resident John Carmack

[serene thunder]

Oh, I see
I was imagining kicking a display that is on a rotating stand

[gloomy hedge]

damn

[gloomy hedge]

none of those back in those days

mostly CRTs hahaha

[kindred peak]

Not to be confused with Robby. 😄

[serene thunder]

Yeah you'd have to really boot that thing in the u/r

[gloomy hedge]

but I think Robert is busy making n64 dreams

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/bartsimpson-boot-simpsons-thesimpsons-homer-gif-9148667

[gloomy hedge]

I do not wish to distiurb

I will wait until saturn is further along 🙂

❤️

[alpine pagoda]

Quick google tells me Dreamcast is ccw too. I knew I got it wrong the last time I tried it for that

[gloomy hedge]

yeah thats my suggestion

"do as I say not as I do"

also I do not condone kicking a tv, that was simply my forensic work

[alpine pagoda]

Hopefully ccw is good for most things and if it’s not the important stuff will have a flip setting

[serene thunder]

We had a CRT during my childhood that needed to be slapped with a shoe to display the image correctly

Really wind up and slap it good

Prob could have fixed it with 1 minute of soldering

[gloomy hedge]

cant fix fun

[gloomy hedge]

I would bet you're good 99.99% with this approach

[untold lintel]

I just got a matched pair of CRTs and put one CW one CCW, voila! A stupid solution for a silly problem lol

@brave ridge had a google doc with a list of which games were which on mister iirc

[alpine pagoda]

Lol, perfect 😂

[untold lintel]

They’re right at eye level and I’ve got a stand to put a stick on at the right height

[alpine pagoda]

Nice setup. I’ve never been able to find small sets around here. Just have to rotate my 27”

[burnt matrix]

Damn look at that Vectrex in the middle

[untold lintel]

My dads friend gave it to me when I was like 6 or 7

[burnt matrix]

your dad had an awesome friend!

[untold lintel]

He lived (still does) in Cocoa beach and on that trip I got to see a shuttle launch and sea turtles lay eggs

Pretty bitchin vacation

[burnt matrix]

Damn

[brave ridge]

@alpine pagoda Yeah I did but can't find it now.

Basically when. you tally them all up (including ones that can rotate CW & CCW), there were more CCW games than CW.

so my TATE CRT is rotated CW

https://streamable.com/1y627s

https://streamable.com/m7tapr

[alpine pagoda]

Thanks!

[serene thunder]

That is epic
I like how there's one more CRT on the very bottom shelf

[brave ridge]

hahaah good eye. lol. that's for VGA games. it's an old video but I have one showing the other side of the room too

https://streamable.com/yu1tiz

i've since added a few more CRTs

[brave ridge]

https://streamable.com/m7kpgy

[celest iris]

god these pictures give me general anxiety

[brave ridge]

hahah how?

[celest iris]

it's just too much stuff

i had a tv in my garage for years and it weighed on me

[brave ridge]

"too much ain't ever enough"

hahaha

[celest iris]

yeah i'm not judging at all, but i am also 100% not joking

probably childhood trauma

[brave ridge]

for me, as long as things are grouped in a way that makes sense for me, everything is ok

like 1,000 details are ok if they can be grouped

into a dozen categories

but if their's no structure or schema then it's all fucked

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-schema-2795873

[quaint dove]

Oh hey you’re over here

[tidal raptor]

As someone that collects games and lives in a tiny cramped space, I can see why it might make someone anxious. People tend to downsize at some point, you can't use everything at once and some stuff is just collecting dust at a certain point.

[quaint dove]

Playing through Die Hard Arcade reminds me of my favorite parts of the movie, like the time Bruce Willis did a hurricane kick after beating a women with a mop.

“Tatsumakisenpuukyaku, mother f-ckers.”

[serene thunder]

The Dreamcast sequel is ham

[quaint dove]

Now I have a hentai ho ho ho

[drifting frigate]

Yippy kaiay, Mrs. Fisherman.

[sudden tusk]

You are the one that talks to me bisch …

You keep talking this shit and I’ll beat yo ass 4 reel

There’s a mofucking war happening rn and you over here trifling

[glass aurora]

That monochrome crt unlocked some deep nostalgia for me.

[brave ridge]

yeah man check this out:

https://streamable.com/0vi07m

[glass aurora]

My first home computers as a kid were 286's and my parents had a green monochrome monitor and an orange monochrome monitor. Don't see those much anymore. 👍

[kind stump]

You can make any core look like that with RGB, just set the output to YC haha (But dont)

[polar geode]

Luma is all you need ~

[quaint dove]

Iv'e got one of those like five feet behind me right now!

[ripe valley]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer

👀

srg320 is adding the Saturn core to the main branch right now.

[mortal mist]

omg

it's happening 🎉

[fallen terrace]

Is that good or bad?

[silk vine]

Yeah, I collect new games to keep the industry alive. I’m not buy yet another copy of a Nintendo title I have purchased 1000 times though. Haha.
But on the controller from, there is so much choice to have that original feel.

[silk vine]

Wow… congratulations srg320

[mortal mist]

waiting for official release 😄

[thorn pagoda]

Hype

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-omg-oh-my-god-gif-4767816

i wonder if he'll open the issues or no

[pine bobcat]

So what's the general consensus on the Saturn core at this point?
Will it eventually be a viable replacement for Saturn hardware in the way that NES, SNES, PC Engine, Mega Drive, PSX are on MiSTer? (i.e 99.9% compatibility)

I've been waiting until public release to try the core
And wondering if it's safe to get rid of my Saturn w/ MODE

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer#status

there is still a lot to do

core even if it is in main , it always receives updates

[pine bobcat]

I'm not so much concerned with bugs in particular games
But more whether any insurmountable architectural issues have cropped up that will result in visible compromise
There was a lot of concern early on about memory bandwidth
also last I saw, the core was pretty tight in terms of fitting

[wet hull]

Maybe sorg or other devs can give attention now

[prisma wraith]

exciting! i think this means snac support will be soon to follow in the main branch (there was a build posted here with preliminary a while back iirc)

[wet hull]

But the code is probably the same as before

[pine bobcat]

True, Sorg often adds his magic to the last 10%

Hopefully CHD follows shortly as well

[wet hull]

@warped saddle

[drifting crown]

Woohoo!

I guess it will appear in update_all now?

Or very soon?

[mortal mist]

probably in some time

maybe some more update for core will show up 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

Right now I feel the biggest issue is that for some people like 90% of the games work and for others like 20% work and there's a spectrum in between

I am assuming it has something to do with ram timings. Although every update, more games work for me, it's a wide array across different misters. Judging from my friends experiences.

[tawny forge]

The good thing is that inside those two groups the results seem pretty consistent (be it a failure or a success)

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah for sure

My mister doesn't magically have working sound for Sega rally sometimes and not other times

It's the same cutouts every time

[tawny forge]

Yeah! Consistency helps on debugging and maybe fixing the bugs (provided srg320 is able to reproduce them)

[gloomy hedge]

That is my worry a bit

How do we even get that range of ram timings to test

And also why does this core seem so special in that regard haha. Probably true magic 🪄

Never experienced that kind of thing with any other core

[tawny forge]

We just need to find a way to send a ram module that falls into that 20% success rate (his ram module falls into the other group as I’ve understood from him)

[gloomy hedge]

I think there might be several groups but yeah I don't know how this stuff works

[tawny forge]

It makes use of dual data transfer or something like this to compensate lack of bandwidth. This is what I’ve understood. No other core seems to do that

[gloomy hedge]

Ooo neat 😁

I think once it's out there there'll be good data hopefully on the issues with consistency

[tawny forge]

The only thing I know is that this core development couldn’t be in better hands

srg320 is a wizard

Things will get ironed out soon

[gloomy hedge]

It's already doing the impossible

I have no doubt, it's amazing

[pine bobcat]

Has there been any attempt to send him some older/less performant RAM?
Has he made any public request for that?

I imagine shipping to that area might be tricky at the moment

[kind stump]

Yeah, I can submit pull requests to fix analog as well now 🙂

[trim nimbus]

Interesting, according to the status, the official release is the dual ram version?

[astral crane]

I don't think so, there is only one game that needs dual ram, mk1 arcade

[pine bobcat]

It still shows dual RAM in the hardware requirements:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer#hardware-requirements

[ancient surge]

That page is really outdated, because the core can run on single RAM just fine.

[astral crane]

They said that was impossible to run n64 on mister too 😄

It is recommended to use two RAM sticks, but it will still work fine with one.

[pine bobcat]

That page (readme.md) was just updated by srg320 4 hours ago, so for whatever reason he's still recommending dual RAM

[wet hull]

The reason is better compatibility

[brave ridge]

yeah I originally wished I had the color one (still want it) but now even if I do, i'm keeping this monochrome one.

I would like an amber one one day

[gloomy hedge]

Oh really?

Interesting

[wet hull]

I mean, it is clearly stated in the read me

[ancient surge]

So I guess we won't see the SEGA Saturn core appear on the main distribution until the next build? There are still several games that don't work, but it sounds like he's confident that the core is stable enough to be promoted.

[gloomy hedge]

who trusts those in misterland

usually I read that, and then I come here and my entire worldview is replaced

https://tenor.com/view/wild-wild-west-will-smith-gif-12810269

[quaint dove]

I have one. I bought it for like $85 off eBay on a whim, and it was shipped over and wasn't damaged or anything. Was very very lucky. My Apple II is my one piece of vintage kit I have a lot of.

[brave ridge]

wow very lucky indeed. though it being small probably increased your odds of that

I just started with an Apple //e very recently

slowly learning about it

[quaint dove]

Apple II's aren't really unobtanium or anything but they're fascinating and I've really grown to appreciate it despite not growing up with one.

You need Total Replay and ADTPro for certains

[brave ridge]

yeah I got a recapped one by trading for an old X-Arcade

[quaint dove]

Excellent deal

For you, not the guy you stuck with an X-Arcade

[brave ridge]

yeah it was good for both of us. he had recapped/fixed 3x apple //e's and I had two X-arcades.

i sold one and he sold 2x of his so we both traded to "finish" our sales

[brave ridge]

hahah they're not awful. just very outdated compared to so many modern alternatives

he just didn't want it hanging around since he already has his primary one

I'm surprised how $$$ Apple // compat joysticks are

I recently got a PC DB15 to Apple2 DB9 adapter so I can use the still very plentiful PC joysticks

https://streamable.com/ufmxgo

https://streamable.com/ou9bu6

[kind stump]

That's a sick Commodore monitor

[brave ridge]

hahah

my kid made that.

compliments my real ones

https://streamable.com/dynnhr

[kind stump]

Haha awesome

[quaint dove]

Really? I bought one on the cheap a couple years ago... It's just a cheapo CH thingy. The almost identical PC version cost me much more. The market is crazy.

[brave ridge]

yeah man, just search for "apple joystick" and you'll find OEM and 3rd party Apple analog sticks to be $50-80

[quaint dove]

Honestly most of the games would play better with a d-pad. Lode Runner FTW

[brave ridge]

yeah IIRC, Lode Runner was the first Apple game I played. and one of the first computer games i played

i was super impressed bc i only had the 2600 to compare it to as a kid (excluding arcades)

[quaint dove]

Given the age of the system, I am super impressed by what some of the games on there pulled off. And coming from a C64 I'm shocked how quickly floppies load 😄

Woz was a mad genius

[brave ridge]

don't get me going about the commodore floppies!

I mean, I totally get why it's slow.

just unhappy it took commodore to change it until way later

[quaint dove]

You need to join the Apple II enthusiasts group on FB. It's one of the few reasons I still have an account. It's crazy active with lots of old timers and some of the old software developers (I've seen Brenda Romero and Roberta Williams both drop in)

[brave ridge]

I don't know who those ppl are

like i said, i'm only now learning about apple2

[quaint dove]

Brenda Romero is John Romero's wife and worked on Wizardry games, Roberta Williams worked on the King's Quest games.

[brave ridge]

ah

[quaint dove]

And there's a lot of modern hardware being made. If you ever have any A2 questions HMU over in #1047332497492553799

[brave ridge]

that said.... see the videos above. see that little red cartridge in Slot 6?

if you thought apple floppies was fast, try removing the flux process and going straight to the bus.

games load almost like they're on rom

[ancient surge]

https://youtu.be/X51Patmp41E?si=5R17vJ02sDZdHYZB

[sharp comet]

did they ever release that?

[mortal mist]

official release !!! https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/tree/main/releases

[pearl harbor]

Are there are any updates to the core itself, or is it just the previous build but now in the official distribution channel?

[pearl harbor]

I'd be more interested in this if it wasn't from Retro-bit. Their stuff is fine, but also feel cheaper than the original hardware.

[mortal mist]

I guess based on what was already there 🙂

bugs can already be reported ? hehe

[pearl harbor]

Time for that Shining Force III healing spell bug to get fixed!

[drifting frigate]

Salamander 2 is totally my wishlist item.

[mortal mist]

yeah , same for Shining the holy Ark 🙂

[kindred peak]

That's the announcement video. Just hit.

[sharp comet]

looks like just a better version of the m30

it's too bad it isn't bluetooth

2.4g is really irritating

[mortal mist]

Ok, I'll take my chances, there is no entry that we can't report bugs 😄

[ancient surge]

So I'm assuming the official SEGA Saturn build is just the previous unstable build? Encountering the same issues so far.

[ancient surge]

Eh, I've had decent enough success with Retro-Bit controllers. The SEGA Saturn USB controller I'm using came from them, and it works pretty smoothly.

[pine bobcat]

Their 8-button wired USB Genesis controller is good

[celest iris]

said nobody ever!

[pearl harbor]

FYI, the white model controller is listed as $0.00 at CastleMania. Doubt they'd honor it, but who knows!

[wise brook]

@winter phoenix ! it here

[pearl harbor]

Can't even try it because they apparently don't accept Mastercard, which seems insane to me?

[celest iris]

no need to type!

[sharp comet]

they do it for the sake of the reciever but bluetooth would really be a lot nicer

[sharp comet]

2.4gh is fragile and hokey and interferes with all kinds of other things sharing the band space

[wise brook]

it's me!

I love me

[celest iris]

it is, and you are magnificent

[wise brook]

😤

[celest iris]

you also don't sit there staring at a blinking light wondering when or if your controllers will connect again

[frail token]

Love me some 2.4 ghz

[sharp comet]

it honestly kind of ruins the controller for me

[frail token]

I think you're the only one

[sharp comet]

I sort of dream of a mister with no usb ports and only integrated wireless

[celest iris]

@sharp comet they actually argued about this on the mlig n64 stream

[frail token]

Now if they would just release that Sega Nomad

[celest iris]

argue is a strong word

but it was "i gave up on mister bluetooth" and "i never had any problems"

i mostly give up on bluetooth, period

in fairness real mister problems are usually a dodgy dongle

[untold spear]

i do get significant desync problems when using bluetooth

[sharp comet]

im in new york city, I use bluetooth 5 stuff, and have to use the little antenna one, but it's extreme here

[untold spear]

on both adapters

[frail token]

I read this as "I grew up on MiSTer Bluetooth" and I was like, damn, we have a new level of nostalgia

[untold spear]

no idea why

[sharp comet]

most 2.4ghz stuff is worthless here, too much interference

no protocol mitigation

[celest iris]

isn't bluetooth 2.4ghz?

[gloomy hedge]

that thing gets too hot

[sharp comet]

yes, but it has built in ways of cooperating with wifi

[gloomy hedge]

it makes me feel like its gonna burn out my mister

[sharp comet]

like retransmits

[gloomy hedge]

im wired only

[pearl harbor]

I love the new Neo Geo CD controller because it has both options. Just flip the switch on the back of the controller to go between bluetooth and 2.4ghz.

[pine bobcat]

100% wired here too

[celest iris]

i will admit you are a little more densely packed than most of los angeles

[frail token]

Okay Voultar

[gloomy hedge]

m30 is wired tho right?

[sharp comet]

100% wireless here

not the one I use

[gloomy hedge]

listen have you felt that thing

[celest iris]

at least we share a hatred of wires

[gloomy hedge]

seriously

its fucking scalding for no reason

[frail token]

Yeah some do get hot

But it ain't the Mister's fault

[gloomy hedge]

why would I be blaming the mister

im saying my mister is a temple

[celest iris]

are you sure you don't have a knockoff?

[gloomy hedge]

it is a religion

[gloomy hedge]

nah its official

[celest iris]

it was hard to get a real xbox dongle for awhile

so many fakes

[gloomy hedge]

I got reeel one

[celest iris]

ok

[gloomy hedge]

I just baby my mister

[frail token]

It's a joke like one person recently said MiSTer burns out USB ports or something and Voultar said he wouldn't leave one running

[gloomy hedge]

yeah hahaha

[sharp comet]

the xbox one is not 2.4ghz

[gloomy hedge]

I remember

[sharp comet]

it's 5ghz

[gloomy hedge]

but seriously that thing is dang

[winter phoenix]

Hi, what's up?

[gloomy hedge]

the reason I bought one was even MORE STUPID

[celest iris]

well i mostly use m30 2.4ghz on mister, xbox on pc but fair

[wise brook]

Saturn has joined main

[gloomy hedge]

and that is the stupid usb port on the xb1 controller never works

like I dont fuck with wireless

but wired xbox one never works

[sharp comet]

voultar has always had some weird anti-mister sentiment. I think it hurts his buisiness or something.

[frail token]

Yeah I noticed

[gloomy hedge]

I dont know who Voltorb is but fuck his business and his pokemon ass face

[winter phoenix]

oh, yeah! So what's the significance of this?

[celest iris]

i really just want a wireless retro controller adapter with a dongle on each end

@gloomy hedge word

[frail token]

My MiSTer Bluetooth is more reliable than my Xbox dongle, at the 7-8' I use them

[winter phoenix]

And have there been any updates to the core or is it still the same as the update last week?

[gloomy hedge]

I expect all games to be working at 100% on zero sdram sticks with this update

[wise brook]

no more grabbing it separately and dragging it over. just run update and viola.

it's also a seal of approval for sorg to add it to the fold

[sharp comet]

I think it's just getting near official release

probably as a beta at first

[frail token]

Wait so is it in update_all then by proxy?

[gloomy hedge]

gotta add it to my downloader filter

[gloomy hedge]

I'll let ya know in 1 minute

[winter phoenix]

ah OK. So it's easier for every MiSTer owner to try out the Saturn now

[frail token]

Please do!

[wise brook]

thought you'd wanna know my dude

[celest iris]

yeah the official add is huge

[gloomy hedge]

here we go

[winter phoenix]

Yep, thanks for thinking of me!

[mortal mist]

yes, Current status is WIP/Beta

[celest iris]

it seems like people have had better luck with single ram than double recently though...is that still true?

[naive whale]

Yeah that’s why suddenly I had a lot of questions from viewers if MiSTer was a fire hazard

😆

[mortal mist]

yes, udpate all grab core

[frail token]

So we skipped alpha? I'm joking since it never had an official status

[mortal mist]

i tried it

[frail token]

Whoah

[naive whale]

Still true last I tried

[mortal mist]

BETA 🙂

[celest iris]

the readme says the opposite, which is kind of a bummer

i don't want people scared away

i've had good luck with single

[gloomy hedge]

LOL

[naive whale]

@drifting frigate has helped me test. He can tell you what he’s found

[gloomy hedge]

so I guess no not right now?

[naive whale]

But I’ve seen better results on single compared to dual

I stopped testing dual

[mortal mist]

i do update all and have core

[celest iris]

well be sure to mention that in your next twenty videos

so the next week or so

[gloomy hedge]

hold on I'll remove the filter

[wise brook]

also if you missed this has the fixed analog video out. rgb scart, S-Video, Composite all centered and sharp as any real revision

[gloomy hedge]

I just hate doing full mister updates, so much garbage to delete after 😛

(and by garbage I mean crap I dont use)

[celest iris]

you can not download

bruh

[pine bobcat]

can't you filter it?

[celest iris]

yes

[gloomy hedge]

huh weird

it didnt seem to pick anything up

[celest iris]

i know because i asked two days ago after four years, adhd is a real disease

[gloomy hedge]

maybe cuz I already got the latest core?

[gloomy hedge]

dang

maybe my downloader is fucked or somethin

[celest iris]

anyway you can filter anything you don't want to download

[gloomy hedge]

yes I know I did all that

relax I am trying to figure out why saturn didnt come in lol

[winter phoenix]

oh, I saw someone put out an update for that separately a few days ago. Did SRG integrate it into the core?

[wise brook]

yep

[winter phoenix]

nice

[celest iris]

@sharp comet i couldn't bring myself to filter out dick smith wizzard, my love for you and the funny name was too strong

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/stannis-baratheon-game-of-thrones-good-enough-walk-away-unamused-gif-3568810

too

[gloomy hedge]

im now being stupid and running the old update script hahaha

cant wait for my mister to combust

but jokes aside it should be in downloader proper right? @mortal mist or did you just use update_all ( which uses downloader ostensibly)

[mortal mist]

i use update_all

[native dagger]

I just removed an old unstable build from _consoles and ran update all. Came in fine

[gloomy hedge]

word

[tall radish]

I've ran updater the core is now there as official good vibes!

[gloomy hedge]

oh I didnt remove the unstable build @native dagger maybe thats whats what

[mortal mist]

i have separate folder for betas

[gloomy hedge]

righto

well now my mister is unpacking snes cheats so I guess that ship has sailed lmao

[analog totem]

These look nice, but retrobits have always scored pretty badly in lag testing if I remember right 😢

[wise brook]

wait.... does this mean .chd compatibility

[gloomy hedge]

by low do you mean good?

cuz I dont know what you mean there

retrobits score very well usually dont they?

[analog totem]

@gloomy hedge i guess i should say high

i didn’t think they scored well no

maybe i’m wrong

[gloomy hedge]

thats pretty fuckin insanely good to me

[celest iris]

USB

[gloomy hedge]

yes USB

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/1

[gloomy hedge]

why on earth would you use a wireless controller with a retro console is beyond me tbh

[mortal mist]

I hope no one will kill me 😄

[celest iris]

why on earth you would use wires when we've invented radio communication is beyond me

[gloomy hedge]

because 1 ms - next question

[celest iris]

i think only 8bitdo managed to screw up USB honestly

like badly

[gloomy hedge]

these are my daily drivers

[celest iris]

1ms, 5ms who is counting

[gloomy hedge]

are there controllers on wireless that dont have interference and also are just as responsive?

[analog totem]

yeah wired retrobit controllers score good but their wireless ones score poorly

[gloomy hedge]

because I'd be happy to use something that is as consistent if it exists and also has a saturn dpad

[celest iris]

i prefer not tripping

could break a hip

[gloomy hedge]

lmao

fake retro gamer

then again I use a LCD

[celest iris]

100% casual

[gloomy hedge]

so we're all fake

[analog totem]

if I’m sitting at my desk cords are fine, but if I’m in my living room i want wireless

[gloomy hedge]

yeah fair enough

thats same with me, but I dont be mistering on my living room tv

[analog totem]

although really i’m very happy with using my dualsense at all times with its 6ms of lag

[gloomy hedge]

anything below like 10 is perfectly fine

below 17 is ideal

above that is oof

but then again the NSO N64 controller is really inconsistent even wired and I find it fine enough for casual gaming

[analog totem]

yeah 16ms or less is generally fine by me

[celest iris]

keeping it below a frame is a good rule

[drifting frigate]

Readme is out of date. That's all. It's been like that for a long time, but it is incorrect.

[gloomy hedge]

@wet hull you see what I mean now

[naive whale]

That’s what I figured. I get way better results on fast single ram 2 chip models than I do dual

[drifting frigate]

That's a worthwhile bug to file. "Readme needs updated"

[celest iris]

that was kind of the point

yeah

[ancient surge]

Oh so we can report issues now?

[gloomy hedge]

sound like my high school comp sci teacher

"ZERO POINTS YOU DIDNT DOCUMENT"

[sharp comet]

what. you dont think it's a worthy system?

[mortal mist]

for me there is no difference , I am testing the same set of games on two MiSTers single and dual , I have not noticed a difference so far

[drifting frigate]

"It's important and I need to justify my TA!"

[celest iris]

@sharp comet i know you are joking but honestly i have no idea how to control it

[gloomy hedge]

shit this isnt good

how come regular update picked up the saturn core

but my "downloader" didnt

could my downloader be broken?

I recently redownloaded downloader as well... dang now im concerned

[sharp comet]

tbh I can't even remember that system or what it does

I can't even remember the names of some of the cores I wrote

like that gameboy knockoff

[celest iris]

all i know is it has some sort of membrane keyboard built into the controller so no

and how can you forget dick smith wizzard

[sharp comet]

that and megaduck are pretty memorable

[dense hill]

damn saturn is an official core now then?

[wise brook]

update.
the official saturn is missing crt corrections

[dense hill]

does that mean we can expect CHD support in the near future?

[celest iris]

ah yes megaduck, the handheld that had all of its games on the gameboy

[wise brook]

I just checked it's not there yet

[analog totem]

I would thank you for the mega duck core @sharp comet , but one of my viewers made me play every single mega duck game on my request streams sooooo

[sharp comet]

it ws a gameboy

they just cloned it

[celest iris]

it was clearly a megaduck

they don't even look the same

[sharp comet]

im so sorry to hear this

[analog totem]

I was sorry to live it there was maybe two halfway decent games…one of them being snake roy…there was a tetris clone and one other halfway decent puzzle game I can’t remember

[celest iris]

it did have all its own games though

i imagine it kept you up at night having to pick mega duck or cougar boy

[gloomy hedge]

I dunno why my downloader.sh is fucked

I got the new one from the latest and its still not DL'ing saturn core but UPDATE is doing it

oh well

I'll go back to my manual life lol

[celest iris]

sorg would be proud

[native dagger]

But update_all runs downloader.sh https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer

[gloomy hedge]

I dont use update all

I mean regular update worked

like OLD DEPRECATED update

but my downloader is not picking up the saturn core I dont know why

[fallen terrace]

Because they were done by Mike, not srg320, Mike has said he'll be able to add a change request for the core now so the fixes may be added shortly with any luck. Same goes for CHD support, not there yet but someone other than srg320 may now be able to add it.

[wise brook]

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it's all the wording. It should probably be something like:

Hardware Requirements

• 128MB SDRAM module
  Optional:
• Second SDRAM Module of any size (32MB-128MB) (recommended for better compatibility)

[gloomy hedge]

but didnt you guys say the compatibility isnt better

[drifting frigate]

It is on some games, it's not on others.

It's better for sound, for sure in my testing.

But other games run worse with two sticks. Again, in my experience.

[gloomy hedge]

interesting

thanks!

[drifting frigate]

NP

[ancient fractal]

I suppose the build in the mister-devel repo is single RAM? There's still ifdefs for dual sdram in the code so I reckon it's not an updated "unified build"

[umbral radish]

I take it that this core hasn't really been updated as such from the last unstable build? I'm not near the MiSTer at the moment, but could someone check if "Digital Pinball Necronomicon" is still failing to load (green screen).

[fallen terrace]

I've only got single stick and just about everything I tried worked fine fwiw. The few that didn't work right weren't due to ram.

[gloomy hedge]

also LOL guess it was my downloader ini fucking up

so disregard me (ini deleted and we are good for saturn) but I need to figure out why my ini was fucking up

[drifting frigate]

The Dual RAM qpf is still in there as well.

[fallen terrace]

Several big fixes recently.

[ancient fractal]

Yup but there's only one build in /releases

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, that's kinda necessary for the scripts and whatnot. And in fairness, single stick is like 95% of the install base.

So it's what I would have done in Sorgelig's position as well.

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/2

[mortal mist]

Ban ban ban

🤣

[ancient surge]

Busy submitting the miscellaneous issues with the core.

[mortal mist]

Nice!

Leaving aside the sound in the games, it is worth adding those that have problems with boot and gfx bugs

[drifting frigate]

General rule of thumb with the core..."it's nuanced."
Things can massively change your experience over someone else. Data storage types (CIFS vs USB vs SD), RAM speed, whether or not you saw a duck today....

[drowsy skiff]

https://twitter.com/RetroBitGaming/status/1711781252087386417

[ancient fractal]

Yep, we'll see how the "DS" builds will fit into the distribution in due time...

[drowsy skiff]

it's COMING

[serene thunder]

intriguing

[drowsy skiff]

they announced this controller like 3 years ago you can finally pre-order it today

should be out for december

[analog totem]

so now that update_all grabs Saturn, is it grabbing the single ram build or the dual ram build?

I'd assume single?

[mortal mist]

Single

[ripe valley]

I've left some issues on games not on the list done by srg320.
Won't spam much more.

[drifting frigate]

Castlemania stopped taking MasterCard, which is my debit processor. Oh well.

[thorn pagoda]

wait really?

it was announced way more than 3 years ago

might even be 6

[drowsy skiff]

that's dumb. i was kinda thinking of waiting for it to hit amazon all their other controllers are there

[thorn pagoda]

whose even making it? i've forgotten lol

[drowsy skiff]

that's probably true, hope it doesn't take that long for their dreamcast controller to come out

retro-bit

[thorn pagoda]

thanks

[mortal mist]

The Rayman map is broken?

[thorn pagoda]

i don't think i want one afterall but still, nice they finally released it

[drifting frigate]

LOL and Rondo gives me a jscript error "expected string to be a integer: selling_plan"(sic)

Guess I'm also waiting for Amazon.

[drowsy skiff]

womp womp

[astral crane]

Finally

[ripe valley]

Yep, on the map and on the cutscenes, you can see on the core some elements that should be masked.

Should be like this.

We don't have the binocular mask effect.

[mortal mist]

Ah yes!

Thanks 🙂

[ripe valley]

Same on custscenes - we are missing some masks for doing a false 16/9 screen, like in the movies.

[ancient fractal]

There’s some layer priority issues on Magic Knight Rayearth too. I don’t worry that those will be fixed soon enough. Some slowdown issues are probably gnarlier if they’re due to bandwidth starvation.

There’s a few of those in the game too, mostly when there’s many NPCs active in villages.

[ripe valley]

That's just for leaving a trace on the issues somewhere and we should need to retest at a later time.

[ancient fractal]

It’ll be cool to see what the root cause of the Shienryū layer rotation issue is all about.. since it’s such a weird bug

I’ll just watch from the sideline until the number of issues is much lower

[gloomy hedge]

well aint that a beaut

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/8

Submitted another one.

[rotund steeple]

The English Translations of Ogre Battle and Tactics Ogre still hanging at the intros/logos. Digital Pinball Necronomicon doesn't boot (white/green garbled stuff at the boot).

[polar geode]

Looks like I can finally submit an issue on github for CDDA track reading.

[untold spear]

i don't have the details so i can't really clarify much on the issue but i guess shining force 3 had a problem

someone who knows more about it might be able to add that on there

[mortal mist]

This is in fact the same core that appeared on October 4, no changes

[serene thunder]

Gize why can't I watch my VCDs

[polar geode]

Well maybe the question you should be asking is.. why should I watch my VCDs?

[trim nimbus]

You just need to refresh I think. They use the same shop software so I think there are some conflicts (doesn’t fill me with confidence in the security though)

That being said, because it is the same shop, it doesn’t take Mastercard either, although it does allow some of those alternate pay methods like Google pay, Apple Pay and Facebook pay.

[rotund steeple]

Vandal Hearts Englisch Translation: still misses the red selection bar at the start menue. You navigating blind, but the game seems to work.

[ripe valley]

I've done the issue for Necronomicon earlier.

[rotund steeple]

Ok, Ingame red selection bar ist missing too in Vandal Hearts English. Shouldn't be that hard to fix i assume.

Elevator Action Returns still has some static sound during the transitions. Probably known.

[blazing lance]

Update All just pulled down Saturn core

I don't see any update info ab that being added today?

[mortal mist]

This is the same core that came out on October 4

But now in official repo

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/9

[rotund steeple]

Yep, good one. Noticed the low volume too in some games.

[mortal mist]

Yes srg320 knows that there are problems with sound

[ancient surge]

Still wanted to submit it just to make sure people are aware

[zinc vine]

why dual analogue

[pearl harbor]

Daytona USA is another game with really low audio.

[zinc vine]

hope the dpad and button are not cheap

[gloomy hedge]

They already make a controller without that stuff

It's fine, not amazing and build quality is sus but it's fine

And they have both wired and wireless versions

This silly version with the dual joycons sticks in a weird position to me is pretty irrelevant but that's just me.

I run a retrobit Saturn as my daily driver and yeah these aren't gonna last for more than 5 years of proper use, no way.

[thorn pagoda]

hey nice mikes changes got merged already

[polar geode]

My old wired one (from a good batch, apparently) has lasted about that long

[tight zinc]

antenna is life

[sharp comet]

it is surprisingly difficult to find genesis button layout controllers with sticks to handle the 360 controller

[celest iris]

oh no what is that

[polar geode]

Oh thats nice, Saturn analog pad esque..

[sharp comet]

hillbilly cat controller

[polar geode]

Is it lag tested?

[celest iris]

it is better upside down

[sharp comet]

im sure it's garbage

[polar geode]

Oh, allright

Gahbidge

[tight zinc]

as is tradition

[gloomy hedge]

Right but I'm curious as to why you would need such a thing

[gloomy hedge]

Yeah I have a wired one but the rubber will fail on yours, and how are your triggers doing so far 😅

[sharp comet]

nights, or any of the games made for the 360 controller

[gloomy hedge]

Oh you mean the 3D controller!

I thought you meant like an Xbox 360 controller

[leaden dagger]

I find it weird that people always defaults to l1/r1 on six button pads
When I have my Thrustmaster in 6 button mode, I program them to be L3/R3 Which allows me to effectively program my controller for use with n64 emulators and Mednafen Saturn

[gloomy hedge]

But nights plays just fine with a modern pad tho

You don't really need 6 buttons for nights on the front

Literally isn't Nights a 3 button game?

[sharp comet]

err yeah that

[gloomy hedge]

Or maybe even a 1 button game... it's been ages and I can't remember the others

I would reckon nights plays great on a regular old (pick your favorite) modern controller

[sharp comet]

anyway you'd use it to have all the needs of genesis/saturn weird controllers met

[polar geode]

Its been great, no issues whatsoever. Good batch?

[gloomy hedge]

Probably 🤔🧐

Good to hear for you

I have ... 6 of these controllers lol

2 are now dead dead, 4 others live in various forms

[polar geode]

Sent it to a friend, going daemonbite with an og controller

[gloomy hedge]

2 wireless ones still living, and 2 wired ones living

[thorn pagoda]

the saturn 3d controller maps pretty well onto a dualshock

[gloomy hedge]

Ha lol ditching it

[thorn pagoda]

or it would if we had analog trigger support

[gloomy hedge]

Ye

I go back to no reason for retrobit to make this controller

[thorn pagoda]

saturns the first console to really need analog triggers huh

[gloomy hedge]

Personally.. not convinced. And those sticks look awful.

[gloomy hedge]

I ...thiiink so

[thorn pagoda]

they'd be neat for psx (negcon) or outrun and stuff but not really as pressing as saturn

[gloomy hedge]

I have a few OG controllers and I ended up just shoving the 8bitdo mod kit in em

clean kit but unfortunately removes the mouse-like clicky triggers

which is a shame

[polar geode]

My setup makes wired not an inconvenience, so I dont need wireless. But I think its a nice option these days. God the wireless controllers back in the day sucked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nijwTAfqls

False advertising!

[gloomy hedge]

I also like the feel of a wired controller

it hits the nostalgia properly, they're so light

and mash friendly, they feel different in the hand, they move around

[drifting crown]

Those sticks look like they’re off the shelf joycon sticks

[gloomy hedge]

yes, read: no thanks

[sacred goblet]

With update_all script how Can i specify i want download dual SRAM version?

[mortal mist]

no dual

only single

core of October 4 is valid you can still use it , there were no changes

dualsdram

[sacred goblet]

So have to use saturn updater to use dual SRAM version?

[mortal mist]

from the very beginning does not have this effect in the game ?

[gloomy hedge]

Speaking of bios

[mortal mist]

for me it looks like this

[gloomy hedge]

Which version is the one

I'm going with hisaturn 1.02 right now do people try multiple bios?

[sacred goblet]

The sound in the bios when you arrive at the menu is strange. In my memory it did not sound like that.

[wise brook]

ive heard mmmonkey can help you with setting up region free ones. I'd take my pick from that based on aesthetic preference

[mortal mist]

@ripe valley Rayman USA (R2)

20231010

cutscene with fairy was ok too

[sacred goblet]

Normally this is this sound : https://indreams.me/collection/cLSxzqXjSsT.
But i dont have this sound with the core

[gloomy hedge]

@naive whale translation please

[mortal mist]

for me is ok

[sacred goblet]

Really? Perhaps my bios is wrong?

[ripe valley]

Thanks for the double check, I've mixed up with a previous version on another SD card, it was fixed on 20231004 version.
But I've seen another error in a level.
EDIT : Issue updated.

[naive whale]

I’m out right now

[sacred goblet]

Can you try with EUR bios? I m using it and the sound is incorrect

[mortal mist]

sure , one sec

[sacred goblet]

Thanks!

[mortal mist]

yeah , pal is broken

[sacred goblet]

Ah!

[mortal mist]

a squawking animal can be heard hahah

yeah double checked single/dual , definitely broken

[sacred goblet]

Issue created :
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/12

[gloomy hedge]

No prob kind sir. Haha

[polar geode]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/13

[thorn pagoda]

er

sounds kinda like the ECC errors you get on the psx core/xstation

they go away if you burn a cd of it since cd burning software quietly fixes it apparently

[polar geode]

Works on MODE ODE fine too, so its not that I dont think

[sharp comet]

sounds like errors in the file format

notupdating the cue

[warped saddle]

none of those links work, btw

[polar geode]

sigh

Oh

Fixed

[celest iris]

wow only 12 issues opened, impressive restraint

[mortal mist]

+21 issues from srg320

[thorny lion]

Woohoo! The core is official now! Let's hope all the GitHub issues don't dissuade srg320 from working on it, haha

Gotta resist buying the retrobit Saturn controller... I've already got a genesis pad with L+R... So I totally don't need it... But...

[tidal marsh]

i wanna get the 3d pad and either snac or that usb adapter someone made

the one that just slots in

[thorn pagoda]

zakk put a pull request in for chd support

thanks @warped saddle

[tawny forge]

Holy Moly! downloader.sh downloaded a single saturn rbf. Is that single ram?

[tawny forge]

Holy cow!!!

[mortal mist]

Yes , single

[pearl harbor]

With how organic the Saturn core has been, I wonder if CHDs will have any differences compared to bin/cue?

[thorn pagoda]

could do yeah

i don't think saturn core pauses to wait for cd like how psx core can

but then the saturn has a much less complicated relationship with its cd drive than psx

[pearl harbor]

I'll probably just end up sticking with bin/cue for awhile with Saturn since I already have them loaded onto my SD card anyway. And I'm not exactly hurting for space on the card.

[mortal mist]

I have 50 games , bin/cue is fine for me

[pearl harbor]

I'm using CHD with every other cd based core though.

[tawny forge]

Lots of opened issues already in the official github page! Well done, folks!

[hollow snow]

So the saturn core is part of the mister main now? I just noticed update all downloaded it.

[thorn pagoda]

yep

[hollow snow]

nice

[ivory kindle]

wow, official release

[gloomy hedge]

im putting these emojis here I created because I thought you would like them, they are my friends

[native dagger]

So has anyone completed that clown murder case game?

[pearl harbor]

Saw that someone put an issue on the Github for After Burner II. The game works on my end (stand alone release version). No audio, but it boots and plays just fine. Anyone else able to get it running?

I'm using single ram.

[celest iris]

are people confirming it's not just them before adding issues?

[silk mauve]

Just gotta obtain a BIOS

[pearl harbor]

The only issue I added is the Shining Force III healing spell issue. And I know others have encountered that one for sure.

[celest iris]

i'm not sure if people are still having different experiences because of ram quality or not

but if they are it would be a good idea to get consensus first i guess

although it's a big wide world outside of this discord so

my ram has been dodgy af but all the issues i had initially just kind of went away

[ripe jetty]

Where do the bioses go?

in the bios folder or the games folder?

[silk mauve]

Looks like games/Saturn folder. I got that from the pins 📌

[ancient surge]

Every time I try to load SEGA AGES After Burner II, it would always lock on the loading screen. @polar geode mentioned having the same thing happen.

[polar geode]

Yep it does

I can try again though

[celest iris]

i should probably download a full-ish collection now

i can see both sides though, if other devs jump in who see memory-related problems maybe they'll get fixed

[polar geode]

Ill try After Burner II again

Oh uhh..

It booted

lol

[celest iris]

same here

[pearl harbor]

Sounds like After Burner II is just another example of the organic nature of the core. So that's three people who can get it to boot, and one case of someone not being able to boot it.

[polar geode]

Just tested. A ripped a bin/cue from the one that was working flawlessly on Saturn on a burned CD exhibits the same behavior in the core, so I don't think this is the issue.

[rotund steeple]

I guess there are still some hickups in booting games. It can happen that a game, that usually works fine, refuses to boot when you started a few other games before. Noticed this more than once.

[gloomy hedge]

the core is

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-its-alive-ace-ventura-pet-detective-gif-3447515

[ancient surge]

Maybe I just have a bad rip?

[polar geode]

Or the core is still a bit hit and miss for people. Grab a redump bin/cue set and try again I suppose?

[tiny shuttle]

hey there. i just updated my mister for the first time in awhile and the saturn core seems to be there. i was under the impression the core was still wip though?

[frail token]

It is although it's been integrated into Main officially so github bug reporting is live

[tiny shuttle]

ok that makes sense. thanks for the clarification 🙂

[ripe jetty]

MiSTer vs Saturn. Both using component cables. Flipping back and forth using a switcher

[tiny flare]

yep, Gouraud shading isn't quite right yet

[ripe jetty]

I just like being a big silly nerd and doing A/B comparisons when I have the real hardware

[frail token]

I love those especially with MiSTer

[tiny flare]

for sure, I especially enjoy them with the N64 core as its VI has been developed

[ancient surge]

Yeah I didn't bother making an issue with the shading, since I'm assuming it would be redundant.

[dense hill]

wait, zakk already hooked up chd support??!?!

my mister comes tomorrow lol what timing

time to crunch 700gb of games

[kind stump]

I have to push some changes to main to get YC working correctly, ill do that shortly as well

[dense hill]

I will wait for the verdict on whether chd actually works well first

but that is amazing news

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/16

Another one.

[ancient surge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/17

[pearl harbor]

Wait what? Why am I not seeing that mentioned anywhere?

[polar geode]

Its just a pull request right now

[pearl harbor]

I was gonna say. That seemed like it would be a big deal.

[drifting frigate]

Oh yeah, pandemonium is molasses. @naive whale got an earful (eyeful?) when I sent footage.

I thought it was well known.

[serene thunder]

That game is fugly

[sharp dove]

Wish we knew how much was still left to be worked on for the core - I feel like it's somewhere around 70% or less

[celest iris]

boy a full 1g1r set is gonna take awhile to d/l and unzip

or would if i were to do that which i absolutely would not

[serene thunder]

scandalous

[celest iris]

hope redump is ok

[tidal raptor]

I've been using redump images fine so far

[olive eagle]

Sorry if this was answered before, but I've been trying to search the forum and discord without success, does anyone know how to set the region for a game in an MGL file?

I've followed the tips on the wiki and search for CONF_STR on Saturn.sv and found a promising line "o13,Region,Japan,Taiwan,USA,Brazil,Korea,Asia,Europe;"

But I'm not sure how does that translate into something on the MGL file... I tried
<file delay="0" type="o" index="13" path="Japan"/>
But didn't seem to work.

[astral crane]

Just use a region free bios

[olive eagle]

I can load american games just fine, but whenever I try to lead a japanese game, I'll get a "Game disk unsuitable for this system" and I'll have to manually set region to "Japan".

[olive eagle]

Thanks, I'll try.

[astral crane]

de nada

[olive eagle]

And it works, thanks again! I'm feeling stupid for not having thought about that before. 😅

[olive eagle]

Yup, I noticed that. But it's way less of an inconvenience than having to manually change region and reset.

[warped cliff]

Yayyy Saturn finally reached beta status!

It makes sense. Fixing reported as well as known issues is probably the only way forward at this point.

[mortal mist]

for PSX there are 31 open and 195 closed issues 🙂

for now it's not so bad

[mortal mist]

Yeah , CHD is now merged 🙂

[polar mountain]

Incredible!

[native dagger]

Did anyone see the comment about resetting on that pull request?

[mortal mist]

yeah , but now we have mister main for CHD

#unstable-nightlies message

[native dagger]

Glad I don't have to convert all my stuff back

[mortal mist]

I don't know how anyone tested it before this

[native dagger]

And so quickly added

[untold lintel]

yoooo

[mortal mist]

I will upload the core with changes for CHD and Video Offset fix soon

if anyone wants to check

[ripe valley]

Thanks, as my compilation config is out-of-service at the moment.

[thorn pagoda]

we should get the bot sorted out building the new repo

[mortal mist]

yeah 🙂

[wet hull]

I don’t think the bot is building from the core in devel

Oh there is

Ignore what I wrote

[tall radish]

so it works with the latest saturn rbf build or will there be a new version for CHD?

[mortal mist]

it;s merged today

will be a new core

[tall radish]

and will need the unstable mister main?

[mortal mist]

yes

[ancient surge]

Oh thank God, I can replace my files with CHD to save a little bit of space.

[tall radish]

Can we do CHD'S now?

[mortal mist]

yes, wait a while for a new core 🙂

[tall radish]

I will be looking foreard to that can get rid of what I have ATM save space 😉

[mortal mist]

use with #unstable-nightlies message

CHD support from @warped saddle + Video Offset fix from @kind stump , thanks guys ❤️

[naive whale]

Slow as dirt

[zinc vine]

Salamander 2 pls work lol

[marble lion]

aaah my pvm is in the center now !

[stone sky]

Does the core now have an aspect ratio option? I am not at home

[marble laurel]

@kind stump regarding the aspect ratio it seems the core used an old implementation (no possibility to use custom aspect ratio)