Sega Saturn

[trim nimbus]

AC/DC tends to work well

[dire tree]

Warrant

"All My Bridges Are Burning"

"Uncle Tom's Cabin", but you have to cut out the beginning

[sudden tusk]

Oh yeah duh I thought you meant scorpion songs in general

[dire tree]

im trying to think of a cool soundtrack mod

its gotta really pump you up while driving

[trim nimbus]

I mean, SEGA sort of already did that….music is a little more modern, but Crazy Taxi is pretty high energy start to finish 😄

to the point where I hear the offspring in my head every time that game is mentioned

[dire tree]

id never put offspring in daytona... thats only for crazy taxi

[digital mauve]

Soundgarden - Rusty cage is a good racing tune also proven by Road Rash 3DO

[dire tree]

yea i dont wanna put that either cause its for road rash

i want something unique for daytona

other soundgarden maybe

definitely not rusty cage

[trim nimbus]

sound garden to me is road trip music

[dire tree]

just has to be something not in road rash

soundgarden is a good idea though

[digital mauve]

https://youtu.be/qXrLKplLAhM?si=wBiA60ndeO2If_ZB

Or maybe just the original.

https://youtu.be/GXCh9OhDiCI?si=I277yByYURLkOZoh

[high bramble]

KMFDM

[dire tree]

soundgarden "by crooked steps" would fit good

"ty cobb", but too much f-bombs lol

[frail token]

Good to see some solid Saturn discussion

[dire tree]

yea... Daytona USA discussion

this is about a daytona usa mod

a game for Saturn

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-sure-nodding-ross-geller-friends-gif-15956988

[dire tree]

scroll up

or shut up

https://segaretro.org/Daytona_USA_Circuit_Edition_Original_Sound_Track

23 tracks? these cant be all played on the game?

I need to check the tracks on the game disc

[polar geode]

Alucard: This is a playstation black disc

[sudden tusk]

Hmmmm … I dont think messing with the original music is a good idea ..

[high bramble]

Same way I feel about MSU-1 hacks.
Ironic that most of the games that have MSU-1 soundtracks are ones that didn't need to have them in the first place, because the originals are so good.

A game had a crappy soundtrack? Sure, create a better one. But Chrono Trigger didn't need any help. 😉

[mortal mist]

Yes , have the same feelings

[fallow surge]

I nominate Alice In Chains them bones for driving music

Or basically anything up tempo stone temple pilots ever wrote

[dire tree]

depends on what the rest of the tracks sound like

the intro song is good

[sudden tusk]

Word , fuck it do it

[dire tree]

I have to hear them first

I only heard that one song, which is good but maybe the others arent. Everyone liks the original OST better

I'll check it out later

[dire tree]

I would never put something worse. Let's hear the other songs first

I agreee though I am not impressed by almost all MSU mods

the best ones were the remakes by that one guy who did the donkey kongs and stuff, but he spent a lot of time remastering them

he also did super metroid, not sure what else. All SNES games

he didnt do many cause it takes so long

[kindred peak]

Our own @polar geode has done some very cool ones. Especially the Mega Man MSU ones.

[dire tree]

cool... I admit I stopped checking them out from dissapointment

not sure what has come out the past 2+ years

there is definitely good things you can do with MSU

I just wouldnt be interested unless its an actual improvement over the original game

but with Daytona USA CCE Netlink, they changed the soundtrack so I figured I would take a look and see since its a complaint people have

intro song is great though

[trim nimbus]

nostalgia is going to be a high bar to surmount, but sometimes having an alt soundtrack is worth it just to have something for different moods

[dire tree]

did someone put the old Daytona soundtrack on CCE Netlink?

that would be a good idea too

that is a super nostalgic soundtrack

[polar geode]

I added Falcom Classics and Falcom Classics II to my 2D set today

[trim nimbus]

what benefit is there to the saturn version of those games?

[pearl harbor]

At the very least, they have nice visuals.

[polar geode]

They have aesthetic improvements

Probably the best Xanadu facelift, with the PC98 one being second

[dire tree]

add My Best Friends - St. Andrew Jogakuin-hen (Japan)

[polar geode]

Mm.. I think I will pass on that one

[dire tree]

add Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai Remix (Japan)

and J. B. Harold - Blue Chicago Blues (Japan)

[dire tree]

more big update to the Saturn list

added games, removed some crappy ones

[polar geode]

Im going to play Dracula X improvement and Falcom Classics 1/2 tonight after work

[dire tree]

you know japanese?

cause only one of the games in one of the falcoms has an english patch

Ys part 1, I think

[polar geode]

I can to a good enough degree to muddle through, there are some fluent people on here like @lusty rapids that are more capable though

[dire tree]

cool

certainly comes in handy for retro gaming

[lusty rapids]

I wouldn't say fluent, but I am proficent enough for vijeo james

[polar geode]

For people willing to put up with it I recommend using the translation plugins for Retroarch

[dire tree]

that would be great to have on mister

I wonder if its possible

obviously it needs connnected to the internet but man that would be great

[lusty rapids]

if you use a capture card, you can have some OCR software on your comptuer do it

but getting the mister to send off screenies to a translation service, and then come back down, and display that, would be too much for just the mister

[dire tree]

true

[polar geode]

Tolerable for adventure games with the latency

[lusty rapids]

I have a whole OCR setup for this garbage that I used for study/anki card creation, that ofc skipped the automatic translation step, but that's just an option

[polar geode]

Japanese PC games need more translation love

Maybe when I git gud I can help

[hollow glen]

ohh i'm keen to check out the Dracula X improvement hack, anything to know about in terms of getting it running?

i've got a save file a few hours in on the PSX but slowly losing steam coz played it before. playing as Richter from the start seems fun tho

[polar geode]

Its just a patch, if you have trouble making it work let me know and Ill help

[hollow glen]

awesome will have a look :)

[dire tree]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6184/

the HTGDB pre-patched download is out of date, so best to patch yourself for latest version

use the redump verified version of the base game "Akumajou Dracula X - Gekka no Yasoukyoku (Japan) (2M)"

[polar geode]

There is an english patch for Dracula X as well. But it lacks all the improvements from the Extended hack

[dire tree]

might be able to combine both, but who knows

could cause issues

they should work together to combine both

the modders I mean

[hollow glen]

ohh that Nocturne hack doesn't include the english built in ? dang

[dire tree]

or at least make 2 versions where one is combined with english patch

yea... sucks

[hollow glen]

does it make more sense to do english first then nocturne, or nocturn then english ? 🤔

same difference?

[dire tree]

but you can try patching it with both... maybe do the english first I dont know

[hollow glen]

all good will play around

[dire tree]

if its still in japanese then do the other one first

or if there are issues try the other way around

[polar geode]

Sometimes patches can be combined, sometimes not... I dont think those two can coexist. But I can give it a try after work anyway.

[hollow glen]

noooo

[lusty rapids]

maybe the best improvement hack

was the Japanese we learned along the way

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-anime-good-gif-14210779

[hollow glen]

i guess it does make sense for the translation to not work if the hack is so extensive in terms of breaking things apart

but would be nice if they could get it back in

[polar geode]

If I can find the time Ill try to contact the 2 patch authors to work something out

[hollow glen]

omg mediator batty. that'd be awesome

[polar geode]

I make no promises

[polar geode]

https://segaxtreme.net/threads/translating-dracula-x-sotn-beta-v1-02.24647/page-22

Looks like its been brought up before

They wont work each other, and the patches arent compatible. Bummer.

Huh, theres an English patch for Grandia. Neat.

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, supposedly the English patch version (Dracula x) does have some improvements in performance as well so it conflicts with the 4mb

I think Xanadu is mostly in English if they didn’t make changes for the updated Saturn version. That would mean 66% is playable with the ys English patch

[hollow glen]

dang. makes sense.

[pearl harbor]

Also both Lunar games.

[trim nimbus]

Eternal blue isn’t finished last I checked

[pearl harbor]

Ah, I thought it was done. Honestly not as concerned with the Lunar games on Saturn, since the PS1 versions are pretty comparible, especially with patches. Grandia though is a lot better on Saturn.

[trim nimbus]

Yeah. Biggest benefit of translation is to un-work those designs.

[trim nimbus]

Looks like if suikoden is ever translated there are some additions to the Saturn version https://www.suikosource.com/games/gs1/indepth/saturn.php

[scarlet goblet]

Someone needs to unwork the designs if the Silhouette Mirage patch.

[oak cedar]

They need to finish the patch first.

[prisma wraith]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2023/10/01/the-case-for-saturn-castlevania/

[paper tiger]

i found a loose disc of Saturn SOTN in my stuff not long ago and I have zero recollection of when or how I even got it.

[winter phoenix]

Yes, Knight0fdragon's patch has a lot of bug fixes and improvements. The patch's resource page on SegaXtreme enumerates them:

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/DC9KiA3_jKM?si=1UWCs3MQbKbx1j2I

One hour of Saturn Dracula X with the improvement patch for game of the month

[naive whale]

Nice

[polar geode]

Besides a little blast of noise when gameplay started it was perfect

Really impressed with the core so far

[polar geode]

I tried the Falcom Classics games last night too

They run great and the enhanced ports are nice, you just have to keep in mind the age/limitations of the originals I guess

[trim nimbus]

Basement brothers just did a video on Xanadu

https://youtu.be/l9WwEBpiKeA?si=Hx_c0TBzLtDtfnSe

Definitely doesn’t look like the first thing I would play through on the Saturn.

[polar geode]

Yeah, thats a good video on it

Its a very early game in that genre, 1985

Just need to know what you're getting into

Id say the same about Dragon Slayer

[next bronze]

Saturn core is really coming along! I played Last Gladiators 9.7 on it and it works great. I couldn't get Necronomicon working, though.

Splinter clip in video. Funny how he also voiced Elmo.

Looks like Xanadu has a mix of Legacy of the Wizard style platforming and Ys style combat.

[polar geode]

The bump combat is pre Ys.. kinda rough

[next bronze]

ouch. Some versions of Ys have it rougher than others, though.

but I'm guessing it's probably worst than even the SMS version of Ys?

[polar geode]

Its rough yeah, not impossible to learn or anything, just primitive by comparison

[trim nimbus]

Wish legacy of the wizard was modernized. It even had a port to the west for nes, surprised falcom hasnt redone it.

[lusty rapids]

falcom too busy raking in the Trails money while filtering out a new Ys every so often

[polar geode]

I like the Saturn Ys Book 1 and 2 port/remasters.. but if Im being honest the Ys 1 & 2 remasters on Steam are the best way to play those games by a mile

[lusty rapids]

yeah

even those are kinda rough nowadays at higher resolutions

[polar geode]

Its not a Falcom game, but I'd love a Falcom style remake/remaster of The Scheme on PC88

[next bronze]

and Oath at Felghana is the best way to play Ys III

and I actually played through them (Ys remakes and Oath), though not at the hardest level. I actually got them on GoG, but I think they are pretty much the same.

[lusty rapids]

the napishtim era engine is one of my favorites for falcom

[next bronze]

Still need to get around to beating Trails in the Sky SC. Very close to the end and at a certain sticking point.

[pearl harbor]

Honestly, their age/limitations are a large part of why I love classic Falcom games. Bump combat Ys games just feel right, despite the odd combat mechanic.

[ancient surge]

Not really? If you bump into the enemy at an angle, they can't fight back.

[polar geode]

Are you talking about Xanadu or Ys?

[pearl harbor]

Just last year, I replayed the TG-16 versions of Ys 1–4. All a fun time. But yeah, Oath is ultimately the best way to experience Ys 3. I will die on the hill defending TG-16 Ys 4 over the 3D remake though.

[ancient surge]

Ys. If you bump into enemy at an offset angle instead directly head on, enemies can't fight back. This is a pretty well known trick to make grinding faster and easier.

[polar geode]

I was referring to Xanadu's bump attack being pre-Ys, and being rough because of that

[next bronze]

and some versions of Ys are more rough about where that offset angle is at

[mortal mist]

new build is coming!

[polar geode]

👀

[mortal mist]

support for PAL region!

@drifting frigate fix for Rabbit 🙂

it's your fault hehe

[polar geode]

win win

[sterile stump]

https://tenor.com/T6jC.gif

There were 10 PAL exclusives for the system.
https://youtu.be/Cz81mvtRC1U?feature=shared

[sharp dove]

[mortal mist]

trash it! fun game 🙂

[sterile stump]

I last tried Z on a friends DOS PC back many, many years ago.

As for Formula Karts that was a PS1 rental, but I remember it having very long loading times on it.

Actually just discovered Z has saturn mouse support.

[mortal mist]

recently I was checking boxes of psx demo discs and found a disc in very good condition with Formula Karts 😄

[polar geode]

This was me the other day when Kitrinx added VS System support to the NES core lol

[sterile stump]

Very 90's trance soundtrack
https://youtu.be/cDfaAYvoXgs?feature=shared

Also some Z
https://youtu.be/FcGm2iatRm8?feature=shared

[thorn pagoda]

new commits today? hype

[polar geode]

Oh, I didnt know Discworld 2 was on Saturn

[sharp dove]

Huuh, when did she do that

[polar geode]

She made a test core for it and posted it in the NES channel the other day, its not on github or in unstable right now

But it runs a bunch of the games, and many of the mapper 99 hacks

[polar geode]

Ooh

What games were not behaving before?

[mortal mist]

Rabbit 😛

[polar geode]

Thats it? lol

I think someone mentioned Necronomicon wasnt behaving

[mortal mist]

no no you still need to check: Shinig of holy ark

no boot before

Dynamite Decka sounds

[faint flicker]

new test-build!

[mortal mist]

I, unfortunately, am still at work for 3h....

no MiSTer in the office

[polar geode]

You need a new job

[mortal mist]

i know!

I'm working on it

[polar geode]

I work from home, I refuse to be denied access to MiSTer

https://tenor.com/view/paperboys-look-roof-pop-out-gif-7957817

[shell musk]

European release only

1. Atlantis - The lost Tales
2. Discworld II - Missing Presumed... !?
3. Formula Karts - Special Edition
4. Frankenstein - Through the Eyes of the Monster
5. Jonah Lomu Rugby
6. Swagman
7. Trash it
8. UEFA Euro '96
9. World League Soccer '98
10. Z

European games with No USA release

1. 3D Lemmings
2. Atlantis - The lost Tales
3. Chaos Control
4. Darius II
5. Deap Fear
6. Destruction Derby
7. Discworld II - Missing Presumed... !?
8. Dragonball Z - The legend
9. Formula Karts - Special Edition
10. Frankenstein - Through the Eyes of the Monster
11. Herbereke's Popitto
12. Jewels of the Oracle
13. Jonah Lomu Rugby
14. Keio Flying Squadron 2
15. Krazy Ivan
16. Megaman X3
17. Mighty Hits
18. Parodius
19. Photo CD Operating System
20. Pinball Graffiti
21. Riven
22. Sea Bass Fishing
23. Street Racer
24. Swagman
25. Terry Pratchett's Discworld
26. The King of Fighters '95
27. Trash it
28. UEFA Euro '96
29. Virtual Golf
30. World League Soccer '98
31. Wipeout 2097
32. Whizz
33. Z

[high bramble]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[mortal mist]

someone check Shining of Holy Ark please 🥺

[polar geode]

Hold on Ill check

[mortal mist]

SH2:

-fix completion TAS memory cycles during reset (Virtua Cop demo freeze)

-fix MAC instructions (Sega Touring Car Championship)

VDP1: fix draw Normal sprite (Space Jam)

VDP2:

-fix Line Cell Scroll function in interlace mode (Grandia)

-fix transparent for Sprite data

SCSP: remove reset logic from memory controller (Last Bronx demo freeze)

SCU:

-fix DMA indirect data reads (Rabbit)

-fix simultaneous access to ABUS and BBUS (Grandia, JP bios)

SMPC: fix timing for CKCHG/ SYSRES commands (Terry Pratchett's Discworld)

Add support for PAL regions.

/////// oh Sega Touring !!!

I checked two days ago and it was a mess

[sterile stump]

Eurobeat intensifies

[polar geode]

Sorry, doesnt work. Boots to a black screen.

[mortal mist]

noooo 😭

thanks for checking !

[frail token]

@burnt matrix maybe we can pin?

[polar mountain]

Ahhhhh...photo cd operating system.

[sterile stump]

If Pal is working that means the English version of Keio 2 might work.

[mortal mist]

worked fine before

[hallow fossil]

Just saw PAL support was added, what is the boot rom set up for the core these days?

[ripe valley]

Discworld and Discworld II are nasty to emulate correctly on the system, I'm glad that srg320 could fix and support that series.
And srg320 seems to be safe, as he can work so fast on the core.

[thorn pagoda]

is the build from #unstable-nightlies the latest or should i wait for another?

[mortal mist]

yes, the latest 🙂

[thorn pagoda]

ta

[naive whale]

Another core. Wow

[hard reef]

It seems to go in game ok in this build

[mortal mist]

Keio's PAL version has worked ok on previous core versions for as long as I can remember

Virtual On had problems in the PAL version , worth checking out

[sudden tusk]

Hell yes!

[thorn pagoda]

seems super solid

[mortal mist]

can you check out the two games for me?

[thorn pagoda]

@mortal mist check how RE is for you on this build, it seems good to me

[mortal mist]

ok thanks!!!!!!! ❤️

i love RE

[thorn pagoda]

whats the other one?

[mortal mist]

Sega Touring

[thorn pagoda]

dont think i have it

[mortal mist]

and Dynamite Deka/ Die Hard Arcade

there was only music with no other sounds

[thorn pagoda]

no change on die hard arcade, no sfx only music

[mortal mist]

thanks 🙂

[naive whale]

Bummer. Some great music in there

[thorn pagoda]

found my copy - seems to work well

some audio pops and crackles on loading screens nothing major

[mortal mist]

oh great ! thanks for checking 🙂

the last time i check it was mess , nice progress

[ancient surge]

Yup, the video is now fixed in Grandia.

[mortal mist]

nice!

[summer anvil]

Did it fix Bug! though

[mortal mist]

bug! is fixed

in the previous core was already

[ancient surge]

By the way, what does the reset logic from memory controller do? Does it do anything?

[wise brook]

Tactics Ogre English translation finally made it past the 1st splash screen to the opening credit slides; but no further.

so progress

Tactics Ogre original Japanese release makes it thru the Riversoft logo but no further.

again, neither version got that far before so I'm impressed

[dire tree]

A lot of the PAL with no USA games have 60hz English Japan versions

if I recall

and a lot are on PSX

[mortal mist]

Shining of Holy Ark will start working and the core will be completed 😛

[thorny lion]

I believe it was one of the more recent updates, but the BIOS autoboots from boot.rom just fine now, no manual loading or renaming required

[sacred goblet]

I notice that when entering the bios menu (for example when you start a game with a region that does not match the system region) there is a strange sound. I don't remeber on real hardware the sound was like that.

[tawny forge]

@umbral radish looking forward to your test results on this new core version! 🙏

[ancient surge]

I get that horrible screech too when it first boots up to the bios options menu.

[dire tree]

I only found 6 useful PAL exclusives so far, 4 of them are on PSX with possible better versions

ill revisit the list to make sure though

The two must haves for Saturn are Frankenstein and Formula Karts Special Edition. There is no PSX version or 60hz version on Saturn

[ancient surge]

Phantasy Star IV in the SEGA AGES Phantasy Star Collection still doesn't work.

[wise brook]

I had a look at Sakura Wars to see if the fixes to fmv crossed over to them.
but no change so far

[zinc vine]

what about salamander 2?

[ancient surge]

I don't know. I'll need to get that deluxe pack in my games folder, so you'll have to wait a little bit.

I try to curate my CD based games, since they tend to eat up space pretty fast.

[sacred goblet]

Normallly this release only add PAL timing. No other change. So don't expect new NTSC game working

[zinc vine]

np thank you

[mortal mist]

have you seen the changes ?

[ancient surge]

There are other miscellaneous changes made in addition to the PAL support, which is why I'm still testing stuff.

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message @sacred goblet there are fixes for VDP, SH1, SH2, SCSP, SCU

[sacred goblet]

Strange on github i don't see all this change : https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/commits/master

[mortal mist]

check

commits

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn/commits?author=srg320&since=2023-09-30&until=2023-10-04

https://github.com/srg320/SH/commits?author=srg320&since=2023-09-30&until=2023-10-04

Saturn and SH

[sacred goblet]

Ah ok sorry for the bad information ... So i will test it ! Any plan for the sound on bios startup (it make me nervous 🙂 )?

[dire tree]

I know

[mortal mist]

sound on bios works fine

[ancient surge]

"Graphic design is my passion"

[kindred peak]

That screams of "my son has a copy of Photoshop"

[sacred goblet]

I'm very impressed by the progress of the core last weeks 🙂

What is the difference between Saturn_Mister and Saturn repository?

[ripe valley]

I did some quick tests.
For now, no regression since the previous build.
The core is getting pretty solid with the patches/fixes.

Grandia FMV is fixed, as already said.
Rabbit works again.
Some moves on the Ogre game series but freeze later.

KONAMI collections (Parodius, Salamander) are broken like previous builds when choosing certain games.
Shining the Holy Ark doesn't boot.
Hang-On GP too. (EDIT : Transfer error on that game on my side)
Super Tempo no longer starts for the last 3-4 months of the main versions (at least on my side).
Necronomicon freezes with a green screen at boot.

No SFX, just music on Dynamite Dekka / Die Hard Arcade. (EDIT : Fixed typo, thanks Kuba).
Strange noise when shooting a barrel on Elevator Action Returns (incorrect pitch on the scream).

Groove on Fight BGs are misaligned by stripes.
Rayman's main map is missing a layer (Mister Dark binoculars with masking effect) and there is a poorly rendered stripe on Mosquito's stage boss phase.
Part of the Gouraud Shading isn't implemented (e.g. Nights and Croc textures).
Some transparency issues on Magical Drop III.

And I'll have to test the FMV intro again on Rockman 8 later, if the music is fixed (or not), there are stutters throughout the intro starting with the appearance of the giant snake.

[vestal night]

crazy, panzer dragoon (PAL) works without artifacts

[zinc vine]

thank for the test i wanted salamander 2 to work

[ripe valley]

Otherwise, almost everything I throw to the emulator just works as expected so far.

[naive whale]

Looks like I’ve gotta make a Saturn video today. Which I kinda wanted to do anyway. Rabbit time!

[mortal mist]

I have music in Dekka but no sfx

[vestal night]

hang-on gp starts fine

[ripe valley]

I will recheck my dump and with another MiSTer too, thanks.

[ripe valley]

Typo, thanks.

[mortal mist]

no luck , some dialogue is missing and Barry is running around in circles

in UE version Jill shakes her head at the very beginning, and thats it hehe

tried NTSC J/U and EU

with ssd and sd card

same on my mister with one ram

[ancient surge]

Getting more games in my folder, so I'm a little slow with testing.

Also I want to test Super Tempo, because apparently it's not working?

what is it with the fucking bug games breaking

[tiny prairie]

Volume across the board seems to be working but very low in the few games i've tried so far

[mortal mist]

yes, in some games the sound is too quiet

[tiny prairie]

Daytona USA working very very well though which makes me happy - Soukyugurentai is almost working perfectly as well but enemy sprites are invisible while scaling which is unfortunate

[ancient surge]

I noticed this with Puzzle Bobble 3 and Sakura Wars Columns

Also I can confirm Super Tempo doesn't work anymore. It just hangs on a black screen.

[ripe valley]

There was an error when I transferred the game on my SD card, fixed.

I've retested Rockman on two MiSTer configs (Single and Dual) with a fresh dump from my original disc (and identical hashes as the Redump DB).
The intro does have hiccups and resync moments.

[naive whale]

I dunno if Touring Car is worth the trade lol

Gonna capture soon for a vid at 4. Want to see that Grandia fmv working

[tiny prairie]

touring car with an analog controller is absolutely brilliant, just don't ever play it with a standard d-pad or you'll hate everything about it

[naive whale]

Def. I just never fell in love with it like I did Rally or Daytona

[tiny prairie]

makes sense, it was definitely the odd one out when it came to Sega arcade racers (unless you start including the model 3 le mans game which is just ??????)

I got a lot out of it. Only problem I had with the port was the requirement to grind/train the AI car in vs. matches in order to earn the Saturn mode trophy 😐

[naive whale]

I like Le Mans lol

A weird one for them though too

[tiny prairie]

I like it but it's ODD and very incomplete by Sega standards. Absolutely impossible to finish 1st unless you go into machine settings and enable special car, and even then it's a complete crapshoot

[naive whale]

trying Grandia now

oh wow yep that looks WAY better

one screen....not whatever it was doing before (two weird interlaced screens yeah?)

Touring Car...just how I remember

[polar geode]

Whatd I miss? Lots of new stuff working?

[naive whale]

sega touring car is the big one

Grandia FMV is now 100%

[polar geode]

Shinobi X still freezes on title screen for me, alas

[mortal mist]

And if you turn off second controller?

[polar geode]

I didnt know to try!

[burnt matrix]

I love this so much

[ancient surge]

Video in Grandia is working
Super Tempo broke
Rabbit boots now and is playable
etc.

[polar geode]

Super Tempo BROKE

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ancient surge]

Yup, just hangs on a black screen now.

[polar geode]

;_;

[burnt matrix]

maybe try playing a real bug game

[ancient surge]

To be fair he does have the better ass, so no arguments there.

[polar geode]

You're twisting the knife!

[ripe valley]

Some games like In The Hunt and Shinobi-X need the second controller disabled in the core options.

[naive whale]

Bug is packing heat in the butt

[polar geode]

Now I know, and knowing is half the battle. Porkchop sandwiches!

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message , yeah It was pinned for a while , but @burnt matrix said I was not worthy of being pinned 😔

He removed me from the pages of history 🤣

[burnt matrix]

I'm sorry about it appearing that way. I added it to the Your Questions Answered section - #1046941029296779344 message

If that's not helpful or the information gets lost I can ditch that and go back to just pinning individual comments.

[mortal mist]

Just kidding Robby 🙂

[burnt matrix]

It's a valid point and even if you were joking it's still important that awesome people with awesome contributions are recognized.

I updated the list, made your comment more prominent, and contributed it to you. Again, sorry for not being more respectful of that.

[mortal mist]

This is not only my contribution, I just put it together in one sentence , this is what everyone here has discovered 🙂

Thanks are due to everyone

I am happy to be here with all of you, I think we have fun and help each other always

This is the most important

Hopefully in a while we can start reporting bugs to srg320

[wise brook]

[mortal mist]

Last Bronx is fixed , no crash in attract mode anymore

[pearl harbor]

Finally!

So excited for this update. Today will be another epic day of Saturn (and N64) testing!!

[naive whale]

exporting...see you at 4!

Saturn gets the vid today. N64 tomorrow!

[ancient surge]

Playing Uno DX on the core, and I noticed that there is the occasional bug where a voice clip fails to play. No issues otherwise.

On a side note, I swear this game cheats because I struggle to get any wins. 😞

[untold spear]

megaman 8 first video seems to have improved a bit, but is still not fixed. still lots of desyncs

[umbral radish]

I have a little confession to make, I got a little bonus from work last week so
I used this to treat my MiSTer to a new stick of ram.

Everything I tested before that was giving me grief (Daytona, Rally, Silvergun) is working fine with this new ram and isn't giving me the issues the old 2.4 version did.

[untold spear]

it seems like an audio channel is missing or something

noticed on a couple games im more familiar with the sound in

[open swan]

since the core is still in early development, the variability in both the manufacturing and the version of the sdram modules you have will probably have occasional issues like that, yeah

[untold spear]

could be my tv

[open swan]

there are like 4 different grades of sdram chip you can put on the official sdram board design as well, and there isn't a good cost:benefit ratio on the highest grade so most mfg'ers don't use it, some use the lowest and everything is fine for all cores, etc... hard to tell what the root cause is

[untold spear]

ah. messing around with the stereo and mono settings in games having the issue seems to help

might just be my tv and its shitty speakers

👍

[burnt matrix]

glad you figured it out!

[sterile stump]

Sega Touring Car does have a banger of a soundtrack
https://youtu.be/Zf1UU2ZC4kc?feature=shared

[winter phoenix]

I wrote a feature about all the games that hit PAL but not North America earlier this year ... might be interesting for people to check out with this latest MiSTer update: https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2023/03/08/every-saturn-pal-game-that-didnt-release-in-north-america/

[mortal mist]

Wipeout 2097 PAL works fine

[mortal mist]

Wow , Thanks!

[naive whale]

Fun to be doing a Saturn vid today. Gotta give love to the best console of the generation after all

[tidal raptor]

Good ole PAL exclusive Swagman

[burnt matrix]

DAN IS THE BEST!

[thorn pagoda]

i always forget 2097 came out on saturn

[burnt matrix]

Added that article to the Your Questions Answered pin - #1046941029296779344 message

[kindred peak]

50hz...

[naive whale]

The devils refresh rate

[tall radish]

Nice. Thanks

[polar geode]

Core can just run those 50hz games in 60 anyway

[waxen vortex]

Some 50hz games run with issues (graphical issues) when force to run at 60hz though.

[mortal mist]

I'm only noticed volume issues

Which games have an audio channel problem ?

[exotic path]

Was anyone else lacking audio completely for Radiant Silvergun

I'm gonna try it out the core on that one first 🙂

[quaint dove]

last time i played it died pretty quickly after starting the first stage.

[drifting crown]

288p for lyfe to!

[untold spear]

yeah i didn't update on that, but it actually seems to be a completely random issue

i thought that helped, but it just seems like sometimes its missing a channel, and sometimes while playing it just loses one

you notice when sounds that played before become silent or missing entirely

noticed it a lot on megaman x4

but then on another play, after a reset, it'll work for like an hour and then an audio channel just sort of vanishes

and sometimes remains perfect

[untold spear]

i think that might actually be part of the issue. one channel where a sound is louder than the other

and one drops

so it gets more silent

like you have things set to stereo with 2 speakers, and disconnect one

or use 1 ear bud

lol

[mortal mist]

Works fine here , music is ok

[naive whale]

19 p too many IMO

[alpine pagoda]

multisystem ram issues seem the same as the last release

[mortal mist]

Maybe someday I'll hear it, I've tested a lot of games and the only thing I hear is more quiet sounds in some games. The music is always there and does not fade out.

[untold spear]

i think you haven't heard what i'm talking about if you heard some sounds more silent

you have heard*

if you want an example and are using an hdtv or crt that supports it, set balance to only one side in your settings. some sound was made to be not there or more silent on one side or the other. it sounds like eventually one of those sound channels goes missing or muted, so music and sound still for the most part plays fine

but sounds that would be louder on one channel

just seem muted or gone

i can't notice it in a lot of games

at all

the two i do notice it easier is megaman 8 and megaman x4

[mortal mist]

Ok thanks for explanation 🍻

[untold spear]

i think its something that'll just get patched on the side or something though. i dont think its a huge deal

x4 makes it easier to test since you can just fire up the ps1 version

and compare

[mortal mist]

Sorry, sometimes not everything is understandable to me. English is not my native language

[untold spear]

what ya mean. you type it better than most native english speakers i know. probably speak it better too..

lol

pretty sure i just suck at explaining

[oak willow]

I almost thought Tactics Ogre LUCT(English Translation) was going to work.

[dire tree]

Anyone familiar with all of these gundam games?

I'm confused

[tidal raptor]

Not super familiar but what's confusing?

[dire tree]

basically the naming and what is on PSX and what isnt

Kidou Senshi Gundam Gaiden I: Senritsu no Blue
Kidou Senshi Gundam Gaiden II: Ao o Uketsugu Mono
Kidou Senshi Gundam Gaiden III: Sabakareshi Mono
Kidou Senshi Gundam Gaiden: The Blue Destiny
Kidou Senshi Z Gundam: Kouhen Sora o Kakeru
Kidou Senshi Z Gundam: Zenpen Zeta no Kodou```

particularly in terms of Redump names

[tidal raptor]

Kidou Senshi Gundam is literally just Mobile Suit Gundam, I wasn't aware that there was overlap between both consoles, I can double check things though

[sacred goblet]

You are the author of the core?

[dire tree]

oh ok so the Kidou Senshi Gundam is the Japan version of Mobile Suit Gundam

I guess the Gaiden games are the Mobile Suit Gundam Side Story games?

[tidal raptor]

gaiden generally translates to side story, yeah.

I thought the trilogy of games was saturn exclusive though

[dire tree]

oh the Gaiden Blue Destiny is a compilation of the I, II, and III

[dire tree]

they probably are.... on PSX I see they dont have Gaiden in the name

[tidal raptor]

Mobile Suit Gundam (PS1) is not Kidou Senshi Gundam (Saturn)

[dire tree]

the naming on segaretro vs redump is just super confusing

well there is a Mobile Suit Gundam (Saturn) and Kidou Senshi Gundam (Saturn)

both Japan

[tidal raptor]

wait in redump there's both?

[dire tree]

the title screen on Kidou says "Mobile Suit Gundam"

Mobile Suit Gundam (Japan) (Rev A)

[tidal raptor]

god yeah, okay, this is quickly getting confused

[dire tree]

Kidou Senshi Gundam - Gihren no Yabou (Japan)

Kidou Senshi Gundam - Gihren no Yabou - Kouryaku Shireisho (Japan)

[tidal raptor]

so the Mobile Suit Gundam on ps1, is a seperate game. And it has an updated version, Mobile Suit Gundam Version 2.0

Mobile Suit Gundam on Saturn, I see the box art now, is not the same game as the ps1 versions

[dire tree]

alright

yea thats the one that has a translation on saturn

I believe

[tidal raptor]

yep, footage matches up

okay so there is no just "Kidou Senshi Gundam" on saturn, I was looking at gamefaq to see the cover art / release date / developer, they called it that for some reason even though the art and title screen just say Mobile Suit Gundam

I think I'll just start putting things into a table to make this less confusing lol

[mortal mist]

Noooo sorry

[sacred goblet]

I Wonder if all component in saturn have been decaped and are implemented 1:1 like for Megadrive in the New core.

[dire tree]

that is what I am trying to do for the curated saturn list

SegaRetro.com is calling it Kidou Senshi Gundam so that one confused me

[tidal raptor]

I'm gonna guess the spine is written in Japanese while the art on front and in game is in english

[dire tree]

so now its just these two I have to figure out I think

Kidou Senshi Gundam - Gihren no Yabou - Kouryaku Shireisho (Japan)```

ok these are turn-based strategy games

[tidal raptor]

Kouryaku Shireisho is also an expanded version of Gihren no Yabou (Gihren's Ambitions)

but yeah if you're curating for english speakers, probably would leave those out

way too much japanese text

[dire tree]

nah im just adding decent and good games regardless... but separating a tab that has the same game on psx

[tidal raptor]

so I see a ps1 game in the Giren no Yabou series on ps1, but it's a seperate game

[dire tree]

alright so the two above is saturn exclusive

[tidal raptor]

seems to be

[dire tree]

thanks

[tidal raptor]

np, was there any other ones you wanted me to check?

[hybrid lotus]

I've tried searching but i might just be stupid. i keep getting 'drive door open' when loading some saturn games, anyonek now how to fix that?

[dire tree]

https://segaretro.org/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam:_Giren_no_Yabou

you still need this original disc for the Kouryaku Shireisho version since its an append disc

[dire tree]

no I think im good now, thanks

[pearl harbor]

Did some more testing. I wonder what is causing the continued issues in Nights with the lighting on the characters. They still look like you could cut yourself by touching the edges of the character models. 😅

And the screen rotation effect in Power Drift still doesn't work.

[naive whale]

Razor sharp observation

[pearl harbor]

I cut myself on her...uh...face?

[unkempt oar]

I don't know but I'm sure someone here is familiar

[tiny flare]

Obviously something missing/bugged with the VDP1

[pearl harbor]

Also needed to test the improvement to Grandia myself, and

[winter phoenix]

In case anyone hadn't noticed, RIP to four-chip RAM modules:

[ripe valley]

Partial Gouraud shading support.

[ancient surge]

The lighting is not implemented correctly, so every game is affected by this.

[celest iris]

what is a four chip ram module

the early ones?

mine is ancient, but unlike earlier builds i can actually play games now

[burnt matrix]

It’s a type of ram manufactured by a European vendor. It was unfortunately not manufactured to spec for unknown reasons.

It wasn’t an issue until recently with the Saturn core as it’s high performance necessitated ram to be manufactured in accordance to spec.

[kind stump]

Who makes the 4 chip module ?

[celest iris]

@burnt matrix did their name rhyme with "bandtonio"? because boy did i take some shit for that back in the day

either way, good to know...there is still hope for my crappy sdram

[burnt matrix]

You’re correct.

[winter phoenix]

I dunno.

[celest iris]

and speaking of third-party hardware, i finally caved and bought one of ivory's i/o boards @kind stump

hah

now i just need the world's tiniest tv

[dire tree]

Antonio Villena

although I see he sells 2-chip also

should stop selling 4 chip ones

maybe he just wants to sell the rest of his stock?

[naive whale]

inappropriate

[celest iris]

spain has always gone its own way, i admire their willingness to just do it all themselves

[dire tree]

lol

[celest iris]

seriously, they are scene unto themselves

[naive whale]

Sat video is live

[dire tree]

I still wouldn't sell 4-chip Rams if they have issues with certain cores, even just Saturn. At least I would leave a note on the sale page

but seeing as he sells both 4chip and 2chip, it makes me think he is just selling off stock of the 4chips

otherwise what is the point of having 2 types

especially when one has issues the other doesnt

[kind stump]

Don't sell something that has less compatibility, is not fully tested or is going to just cause problems

Should be a general rule for anyone and why it took me so long to even be comfortable releasing the specs for the active YC board

[dire tree]

I guess there is a chance he doesn't know, but not sure

Saturn might be the only issue 4-ram chip has

Problem is now all these people with 4 chip rams have to replace them if they want to play Saturn, but that issue could not be forseen. Sale page should be taken down now, though

[winter phoenix]

Hey, does the core still have that boot.rom/boot.bin problem?

[pearl harbor]

Nope! All fixed!

[mortal mist]

No

[winter phoenix]

oh awesome. when did that get fixed, a couple weeks ago?

[mortal mist]

Boot.rom works

[pearl harbor]

The previous core update fixed it.

[winter phoenix]

Nice. Thanks.

[celest iris]

have you tested retrocastle's implementation?

[kind stump]

No but if it's using YC from the framework, it should be using the specs for the Luma trap

But not sure about anything else

[celest iris]

guess i'll find out!

i was excited to have it built into the i/o

now i just need to find a 1702

[cosmic bear]

From what I can tell with a very small amount of testing, Exhumed/PowerSlave seems to have improved audio when speaking with Ramses.

[naive whale]

Nice. I’ll have to check it out. One of the best games on Saturn

[quaint dove]

Off topic but the recent PowerSlave remaster is really good.

They mashed the best parts of the Saturn and PS1 version (mostly Saturn) into an even better game.

[cursive turtle]

Sonic Jam has the same problem. Guessing it’ll look right eventually

[naive whale]

That was awesome. I’m halfway through but I lost steam

I need to finish

[ancient surge]

Hoping the shading/lighting issue does eventually get fixed. It's like the only issue some games have at the moment.

For example Sonic Jam is almost flawless, but the wonky lighting on stuff like Sonic and Tails' model sticks out like a sore thumb.

[subtle tusk]

I'm sure the lighting will be fixed. It's probably just a bug in the hardware handling vertex shading.

I remember earlier versions of the core with no vertex colors at all, I actually kind of liked the way it made characters look in Sonic R.

[naive whale]

Powerslave was so bright for awhile there too. No shadows / shading at all

[polar geode]

https://media.giphy.com/media/QDIQsHjIapjzDWXNOX/giphy.gif

[warm fjord]

That's alot of force

[pine bobcat]

You could try the gog version instead, doesn't require steam

[pearl harbor]

Indeed. I did a play through of the remaster when it released. Easily the best way to play the game.

[polar geode]

I didnt know about that. Ill just play that version. I assume nothing was of use in the PC version to use

[next bronze]

lol. Reminds me of a certain Simpsons episode.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-thats-my-purse-king-of-the-hill-i-dont-know-you-gif-5473169

[next bronze]

The Shinning!

[naive whale]

Lol nice

[ripe sonnet]

I have been playing Policenauts on the latest core and it's no longer loading my save data. I see my save files in the saves\Saturn folder. Anyone have any save data issues? The first couple of times I saved and restarted the device it would load, but the next time around, the game shows no save data at all.

[indigo lotus]

Hell yueah! Region free bios, no need to change regions!

[burnt matrix]

everything looks good here, carry on

[naive whale]

Guillermo patrol

[naive whale]

Haven’t personally noticed that no

[timid roost]

https://github.com/MiSTer-Enhanced/Saturn_MiSTer

For anyone that has a 4chip sdram

[winter phoenix]

Oh, does that make the Saturn core work with four-chip RAM?

[untold spear]

this core is a funny one. i noticed on initially booting the mister, if saturn if the first thing i load, it almost always fails to load the bios and the first game i load may or may not be nightmare fuel

if saturn is*

but then i just reset... not even a core reload lol

powerslave seems to be the one i can scare my friends with

[mortal mist]

Anyone here have a sdram with 4 chips ?

[timid roost]

i do

[mortal mist]

have you tested this core for 4c ?

[timid roost]

yes it works fine

[mortal mist]

music , sounds effects , etc nothing interrupts while playing ?

[timid roost]

i think m usic is not perfect even with the no 4c core

but for example on sega rally it works fine that is a game that has good performance on the core

music sounds low though

in general

[mortal mist]

ok I'm glad that there is an alternative, but I think it will stay that there will be a fork for the C4, I doubt that it can be unified for two and four chips

[timid roost]

i cannot justify yet 60euros for a new sdram module, especially if the fork for now is being updated and works. Also, I don't want to get involved on what is between official and Antonio and why there is no support for 4 chips. I happen to have this module and i will keep it as long it does its job for me.

[mortal mist]

of course , for now it works and I hope it will stay that way until the end , but there will be many more changes , who knows

These changes, which were made for the 4C, do not work quite so well with the 2C

[timid roost]

i see, in any case i will wait for the core to be more mature and maybe then will get a new module

[mortal mist]

yes this is the best solution

[short shore]

How many chips on the ram that misteraddons sells?

[mortal mist]

two

[fringe kettle]

messed around with the latest dual sdram version yesterday, I wasn't able to get Sakura Wars 2 booting anymore like I was able to on previous versions

[trim nimbus]

I feel I was able to get sega ages afterburner to start on previous versions of the core; has anyone else had issues with it freezing at the title screen?

[wise brook]

aaaaayyyyy MattoBii! glad to see you here

ngl, first game I fire up on each core update is SW1

my love of that series is partly why I'm learning 日本語

cause I really doubt the fan disk radio drama will ever get the eng translation treatment.

[dire tree]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sK0nsXIKW3Rb-xkHZRXXqOb9yIdfoNAhF_BKSDt2Hn4/edit?usp=sharing

Another big update... make sure to check the tabs for other Saturn games

If you see any mistakes, missing good/decent/interesting games (WIP), or anything just let me know

[kind stump]

Does anyone have documentation on the video timing of video logic of the Saturn ?

Or*

[dire tree]

you thinking of contributing CRT fix(es) ?

but to answer, no i dont know the timing, but it has to be out there somewhere

[ancient surge]

Sakura Wars 2 boots up for me.

[fringe kettle]

huh, weird

guess I'll try again

[ancient surge]

Game seems to be running mostly fine, mainly some graphic bugs.

[fringe kettle]

well that sounds better than where it was when I last tried it at least

where every time an audio track would start it would do this loud static blowout noise and the audio was generally crackly, while the graphics and text were mildly corrupted

[ancient surge]

Haven't notice any games recently with sound problems that bad, but I do know exactly what you're talking about since that also plagued the Sakura Wars Columns game with older builds

[fringe kettle]

yeah I tried that last night too, and that problem is mostly gone

it still does a slight static noise at audio track startup but then the audio is totally fine

[ancient surge]

The volume seems abnormally low, which is something I noticed with several games.

[fringe kettle]

yeah now that you mention it, it was pretty quiet compared to the other games I was testing out

but otherwise that game plays flawlessly

as did TokiMemo Taisen Puzzle Dama on prior builds, though I haven't tried it on this most recent one

so that's both the big galge puzzle game spinoffs

if that's not a good barometer for progress I don't know what is

[ancient surge]

Off topic, but I tested out SEGA AGES After Burner II because apparently someone said it didn't work.

I can confirm it's broken, at least with the bundle by Working Designs. Not sure about the standalone version.

Specifically it hangs on the loading screen. The graphic is there, but nothing happens.

[fringe kettle]

I take it row 247 on the spreadsheet is referring to the Demo? That's the only publicly available TL right now

[polar geode]

Standalone is the same er.. kunai? Leaf? How do I refer to you im sorry

Zebadon

[dire tree]

sakura wars 2?

[fringe kettle]

yeah, SW1 has a translation but 2's isn't out yet, but there's a TL for the demo of 2

[dire tree]

ohhh the translation... yea I am still looking those up

[fringe kettle]

https://segaxtreme.net/resources/sakura-wars-2-special-demo-english-patch.151/

[dire tree]

i put [translation patch] in the title so I know to do more research

[fringe kettle]

ah, okay

[dire tree]

if its only for a demo ill remove that

[fringe kettle]

fwiw, I haven't been able to get the translated demo to boot on prior builds or this one, while the untranslated one has booted on prior builds (haven't tried on this one yet)

[dire tree]

im currently going through genres each in alphabetical order so ill get ot it

the list has no basis on if the game boots or works its just a list

for people to pick and choose what they might want

i try to leave out really crappy worthless games

but it also has no basis on if you need to know japanese to play it either

[next bronze]

I should see if Sakura Wars Columns boots. It's a surprisingly fun take of Columns.

[dire tree]

it looked good/decent/interesting so i added it to the list

i didnt try everything i added, so there could be terrible games that need removed

and obviously not all genres appeal to everyone so its more of a pick and choose list for people

like Mahjong for example, not many people give a crap about that

but im still gonna add the decent/good mahjong games

I like mahjong solitaire, but never played the real mahjong. but I am interested to learn it

[polar geode]

I wanted to bring up something, I believe it is a problem with the way the core is reading CDDA tracks. I understand SRG is not taking bug reports, but thought maybe it would be good if I documented here anyway.

[dire tree]

whats up?

there are certainly audio issues. might even be the main bug of the core(?)

[polar geode]

When CDDA tracks are replaced on Saturn games, the MiSTer core cannot read them correctly and is off, a click or pop happens when the track starts/is read. @kindred peak did some recordings of my Darius II Arranged music hack that show that on a real Saturn, with a MODE or a burned CD these problems do not occur

[dire tree]

interesting. I was considering making an audio hack for cd tracks

[polar geode]

I've done a few, and this does not happen on say, the PC Engine CD or Mega CD or Neo Geo CD cores

It is specifically the Saturn test core

Im going to upload some clips here, I need to re-encode them for Discord

Darius 2 Arranged on original Saturn hardware, taiyo yuuden burned CDR, no audio pops on CDDA track start

Darius 2 Arranged on original Saturn hardware, MODE ODE, no audio pops on CDDA track start

Darius 2 Arranged on Saturn MiSTer test core, has audio pops on CDDA track start

@open swan do you think this might be helpful to srg320?

[open swan]

not sure

[polar geode]

Oh, well allright. If it doesnt get resolved later on its own Ill just reference these later when he's taking issues in github

[tidal marsh]

i really like how the mister ui looks sat over the saturn start screen

[kindred peak]

Please don't be too stunned at my top-tier Darius 2 playing. I'll be giving no autographs. Thank you.

[polar geode]

Just needed confirmation it wasnt me that was making mistakes when making the hack

The Batsugun Boosted Tribute Arrange hack someone else did has the same issue

[trim nimbus]

Unfortunately, your list is already becoming the most defacto Saturn list I have ever seen.

With all the work you have put in and all the notes, it might make sense to just have a “meme/bad games” tab.

[kind stump]

I think I have the analog out horizontal alignment fixed now, need to run a few more tests

[daring spear]

Sanity check, Sega rally doesn't support music yet?

[thorn pagoda]

i get music

it used to be kind of intermittent but the last few builds its solid

[daring spear]

weird, using bin/cue right?

[thorn pagoda]

yeah

[daring spear]

Which build single or dual?

[thorn pagoda]

either

[daring spear]

lol it works now

thanks!

[kind stump]

This should fix the alignment issues for the analog folks

For anyone who wants to test

[tiny flare]

awesome, will give it a shot when I can

[dire tree]

lol

yea maybe I should

[silk mauve]

Dang it

[polar geode]

Snart flew into the sun like Icarus

[coarse night]

I can confirm the regession on Afterburner II (Sega Ages Collection) and Salamander 2 (Salamander Deluxe Pack). Both seem to no longer work, tried both single and dual ram.

[trim nimbus]

So, interesting note is that I had it hang at the title screen in previous cores but a restart seemed to fix it. No matter what cycle of reset/core loads I try now it always hangs with no activity.

[polar geode]

To be fair, Salamander 2 is just as good on PSX in this case

If you were just wanting to play it I mean

[dire tree]

I should move that to the PSX Vs. Saturn? tab in the list then

if its got FMVs at all they are likely better on PSX

very slight advantage

[ancient fractal]

Since the last update the core will always boot discs directly after mounting an image, while before it would always boot into the BIOS menu. This is a step forward of course since that is how the real system (ideally) operates, but ... now there's no way to reach the BIOS menu, right? (except for when booting the core, but at that point there's no save file mounted)

[thorn pagoda]

isn't there an open cd lid option in the osd ?

[dire tree]

I moved Salamander Deluxe to the PSX Vs. Saturn tab in the list since they are identical.... what about the other konami deluxe ones?

any aspect ratio differences or anything notable?

[polar geode]

Someone more knowledgable than myself broke down the differences pretty well a while back, maybe try searching Parodius for this channel and finding that cause its better than my knowledge

[sudden pumice]

God bless you sir!!!

[dire tree]

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=70368

seems saturn might be slightly better, but not by much

I guess this one should go in both tabs

alright i put both in both tabs, ill research the other 2 now

eh... i guess ill just put all 4 in the psx vs saturn tab only and let people decide

I should have made a DOS tab to show all of the games on both Saturn and DOS

[kind stump]

Ok, I uploaded a new YC version earlier to my git that fixes both the vertical and horizontal offsets. That version you can get through update all and using the YC option. This is slightly different from the one I posted above. Will with RGB/YPrPb as well

[minor cipher]

hold A when booting and you should reach the BIOS

i wanna say the Japanese BIOS doesn't auto-load into a game, so I guess that's an option as well. I believe you can also A+B+C+Start in some games to go back to the title screen and then again to go back to the BIOS... not 100% sure on those, though. maybe someone else can confirm/deny

some of this stuff is documented in the manual https://segaretro.org/images/d/d5/SegaSaturnUSManual.pdf

powering on while holding L+R will bring you to the memory manager

[sharp dove]

Same here~

I wondered if to shout-out but didn't feel sure if it was OK ^^;

[mortal mist]

thank you very very much for this fix 🙂

[marble laurel]

There is a port for Tomb Raider (Check YT video -> [Saturn] Tomb Raider: Unfinished Business - Launch Trailer)

[winter phoenix]

yep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImmNJRxv6yQ

Wonder if it runs OK on MiSTer

[wise brook]

I was trying to see if they optimized the performance over the original

[winter phoenix]

The lead developer, John, said in the SegaXtreme Discord earlier today that the rendering code is still unchanged.

Although he did optimize the level data to get it to work on the Saturn at all

[gloomy hedge]

I think unfinished business is on TR gold for pc/dos as well?

[winter phoenix]

Yes, a team of fans just spend more than a year porting it to the Saturn. They released that port today.

[gloomy hedge]

just trying to remind myself which those levels are

wow that is so wild!

[winter phoenix]

yeah it is

[gloomy hedge]

very cool thanks for sharing this 🙂

[ancient fractal]

I’ve never used anything but JP BIOS on both real hardware and MiSTer, and it definitely auto boots. Didn’t know about the boot button modifiers though, will definitely have to try these out! Thanks.

[kind stump]

Happy Analog 🙂

[polar geode]

https://media.giphy.com/media/P6QPG3qoKb6d2dcrX8/giphy.gif

S-Video detected

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-scream-yeah-hockey-kid-gif-24698394

[winter phoenix]

Nice

[mortal mist]

❤️

my phone can't take pictures from CRT haha 😄

but i'm happy , thanks @kind stump

[dire tree]

it can be difficult even with a professional camera

[mortal mist]

yeah i know 🙂

[dire tree]

I wish we could get a core update that centers the image on CRT

for component

[mortal mist]

@thorn pagoda it's probably some kind of miracle but I turned on resident evil now while testing core from MikeS and the game runs pretty ok on single ram 😄

[short shore]

HE IS THE GOAT!!!! THE GOAT!!!!!

[dire tree]

he was born in the year of the goat?

[pearl harbor]

The standalone version does work. Just tested it. Takes a bit to load and there is no audio, but it's completely playable.

[wise brook]

heads up, if your camera can do a 0.6 zoom out you can consistently get good pictures

[fallen terrace]

Works great. Still getting a little bit of an upwards vertical shift with Elevator Action Returns but working great with everything else so far! Thank you!

[kind stump]

Are you using the version on my git or the one I posted above?

[fallen terrace]

From above

[kind stump]

Yeah, use the one on my git 😉

[fallen terrace]

@kind stump Ah, right, sorry, can't read 🙂 Shall grab, thanks!

[kind stump]

https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/raw/main/_YCConsole/SaturnYCBeta_20231005.rbf

Let me know how that works

[fallen terrace]

@kind stump Yup, much better thanks.

[wise brook]

perfectly centered @kind stump thanks for your work

[fallen terrace]

Everything I'm throwing at this is working perfectly now!

[kind stump]

Dont try PAL 😄

[mortal mist]

PAL is ok 🙂

[polar geode]

Kind of a good rule in general

[high bramble]

I'm not your PAL, buddeh.

[fallen terrace]

Everything I've got is either NTSC or NTSC-J, so I'm good 🙂

[mortal mist]

Keio PAL

[wise brook]

was it pal optimized

ooooh just remembered

old c
document that listed every pal game and it's optimization status

https://randomisedgaming.tumblr.com/post/146372446412/the-complete-european-sega-saturn-60hz-guide-to

[vestal night]

Am I the only one who stopped working adequately with the composite signal from Mike’s latest source?

[fallen terrace]

I've got one of the VGA to conposite/YC adapters, anyone know of an inline 5V injector so I can use it with the output of a switch that doesn't pass 5V? Trying to avoid opening it up and wiring 5V into the Extron itself

[vestal night]

Is there no support for composite signal in the latest build from Mike?

[quaint dove]

Just composite or also svideo?

[fallen terrace]

Same thing here, intro video is fine but title screen looks like that via both HDMI and analog.

Xmen is OK though

[vestal night]

I have nothing but composite

[kind stump]

latest just uses the framework to select YC/Composite

[vestal night]

I don't have a signal selection in the menu... 231005

[kind stump]

PAL/NTSC? I broke PAL in that release but do have a fix

[vestal night]

neither Japanese nor American nor European region does not work

[kind stump]

Hmm thats the first I've heard

[vestal night]

downloaded from here

[quaint dove]

composite works in all other cores right?

[vestal night]

Yes

[quaint dove]

I’m about to switch my set up to composite to test

[kind stump]

Composite works, but you need to set it in the ini file

You dont need a toggle switch anymore

[quaint dove]

I thought we always wanted svideo in the ini and to let the adapter handle making it composite?

[vestal night]

previous build great job, only problem with this one

[kind stump]

saturn has had a toggle for a while

[ripe valley]

That's 'normal' at the moment with the core.

[vestal night]

Is it just me who has the problem?

[quaint dove]

I’m looking for av cables to test

I switched my passive yc adapter from svideo to composite and I get a picture. A horrible picture but it’s there

Didn’t touch my ini

[sudden tusk]

@kind stump help us oh great one

[polar geode]

Huh. Must be running at 320x200 or 320x400

..oh wait, this the Saturn channel NM

[kind stump]

whats the issue?

[polar geode]

Do you have all day?

[sudden tusk]

I noticed earlier you were asking about info regarding the video timings of original Saturn hardware .. did you find what you were looking for ?

[kind stump]

Yeah, I released an update that fixes the NTSC offsets

[sudden tusk]

NOICE! Thanks bro .. I just got off work so I’m behind on the updates

This weekend belongs to Saturn though

[pearl harbor]

I will make a bold prediction! The next core update will finally fix Shining Force III's crashing when casting healing spells. You heard it here first!

[untold spear]

oh

[sudden tusk]

MISTerDamus has spoken!

[exotic path]

Wow Blast Wind is a hidden gem for sure... good shmuppage

[quick sorrel]

@naive whale You mentioned Nekketsu Oyako is a fair beat'm up; is the Saturn version preferred over the PSX version (like many Saturn versions)?

[naive whale]

Ooh good question. I never play the PS1 version

[quick sorrel]

Was curious as I had just seen the PSX version at a store before your video with the SS one (that I didn't know existed) haha

[dire tree]

from the research I did recently for my list... it seems the Saturn is better because the PSX has some color issues. However, the transparencies are better on PSX

something wrong with the PSX color palette at least on certain level(s) of the game

try them both on MiSTer to see

hard to trust videos cause alot of them are not testing proper but forums also mentioned the color

I would say better overall color is more important than some transparencies in this case

[naive whale]

Good to know

[next bronze]

Crazy that that game was apparently going to be a sequel to AC Ninja Gaiden at one point.

[polar geode]

The Genesis Ninja Gaiden prototype kinda feels like that

[next bronze]

yeah. There was a preview of the cancelled Ninja Gaiden II for NeoGeo and it bore a striking resemblence to Nekketsu Oyako.

[next bronze]

There's the flyer. Doesn't look much like Ninja Gaiden.

[polar geode]

I.. hope that isn't Irene

[trim nimbus]

Haha

Is the nes the definitive way to play the original trilogy?

[pearl harbor]

Yes

[polar geode]

Id say so. Trilogy on SNES is fine, but not really the same. Like a badly done face-lift. PC Engine version is interesting but unnecessary.. and keep away from III on Lynx

[trim nimbus]

I always start the pc engine and the broken scrolling turns me off.

[pearl harbor]

The SNES versions look pretty good. A decent, but overly faithful facelift. But the audio sounds funky and the controls are mapped really dumb.

[next bronze]

Much of the remixed music in Trilogy is pretty bad compared to the original tunes.

PC Engine version has completely different music and most of it isn't great.

I have a soft spot for III on Lynx. It tried too hard to fit the NES resolution on the Lynx and the music isn't great, but the gameplay is still there. Definitely not the best version to play, though.

Most interesting thing about the PCE version is that it has an English translation that's accessible without hacking and it's different from the NES version. Odd thing is that some names were changed for the JP version. I heard Jaquio is now Jashin or something like that.

and Bloody Marth's PCE name is Bloody Master, which reminds me of a Doctor Who villain. YOU WILL OBEY ME, I'M THE BLOODY MASTER!!!!!

[polar geode]

XD

[naive whale]

Oh wow that looks V similar

[quick sorrel]

Anyone get Shienryu to work properly?

It plays but orients horizontally but plays vertically but the controller is 90 degrees rotated or some crazy scenario like that.

[scarlet goblet]

Sounds like tate mode.

[next bronze]

I was thinking Shienryu doesn't need tate, but I remember I was thinking of Souky, which is verizontal. And I actually have both games.

Still need to try Shienryu out on mister, though. I think it does have a yoko tate mode (or whatever it's called) that rotates the screen, but flips the controls so you can play it as a hori.

Tried shienryu. Dang! This is not supposed to happen. Background and score display vertically, but enemies, ships, and lives display vertically. Background scrolls vertically while player and enemies move horizontally. Crazy!

[quick sorrel]

That's what I'm talking about. And no, it's not that it's in tate mode, it's in everything is mixed up mode 😛

I haven't tried Soukyuugurentai on MiSTer yet but, I do recall there were play options. I cannot remember if there are any for Shienryu.

[kind stump]

Updated the Saturn YC build to fix the PAL timing, also tuned YC for PAL as well

[mortal mist]

nice! thank You again 🙂

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[kind stump]

https://tenor.com/view/ocd-obsessive-candy-disorder-obsessive-compulsive-disorder-starburst-skittles-gif-6117577

[polar geode]

Let them eat cake- err.. play in 60hz

[mortal mist]

let everyone decide for themselves how they want to play ! PAL

[polar geode]

No! Oppress the lower classes! Raise the 50hz tax!

[wise brook]

pal gamers were the real proletariat

[twilit forum]

omg finally thank you mikes. finally going to screw around with the saturn core now

[silk mauve]

Bring out your dead!!

[tall radish]

looking forward to net link on this core 🙂

[next bronze]

Odd thing is that Tate mode is still accessable from the options menu (accessable by pressing down before pressing start on the title screen, IIRC), but the menu option is cut off. If you press right on the first option cut off the screen will change when you exit the options menu and it does have tate. Thankfully, it's not messed up like yoko and there is an option to flip the controls. Sound doesn't cut off like it does in messed up mode either. Soukyuugurentai isn't a tate game. It is a vertical shmup with a horizontal orientation.

[short shore]

Is the one for YPbPr available yet? Also thank you for centering this core for all the CRTbros out there, you're a legend 🤙

[thorn pagoda]

that should work for ypbpr too

[polar geode]

Component doesnt need any special core tweaks, just set it up in your ini file and enjoy :)

[pearl harbor]

If you play in PAL, you are no pal of mine! ||I'm kidding. I love you guys! 🥹 ||

[high bramble]

I'm not your PAL, friend.

[polar geode]

I cant SECAM why you use NTSC

[hardy lodge]

I grew up with pal. Was formed by it, molded by it. It's terrible.

[plush pelican]

Who else is excited for Final Fight Revenge once the core is public release?

[sudden tusk]

It already works perfect dude

And has for many builds now

[plush pelican]

Oh dang really? Last time I tried the core, the analog output is still not centered so I'm waiting for that to be fixed.

[stiff patrol]

#1046941029296779344 message

Mike S already fixed it

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-meme-memes-gif-24277198

Mike Analog GOD!

[stiff patrol]

I think hes fixed more since then too

so get the latests and not just that link

[thorn pagoda]

he is fast becoming the resident expert on all things analog video

[stiff patrol]

This is where the latest hangs out
https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole

[sudden tusk]

Was just about to link that

[plush pelican]

does that comes with the update all if I enable his branch in the settings?

[stiff patrol]

I presume so

[plush pelican]

brb

[stiff patrol]

but not hard to get it yourself

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-happy-giddy-excited-jim-carrey-gif-4920021

turn around, turns on mister let's do THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[plush pelican]

yup, this is my kind of game :D

better than I expected, beautiful game :D

[thorn pagoda]

saturn wipeout is quite playable, though the audio balance seems a little iffy

also, this has to be the worst version of wipeout the framerate feels glacial

[plush pelican]

have you played the reverse engineered WipEout on PC?

it requires the PS1 assets from the disc.

[thorn pagoda]

no, though i expect thats probably the best way to play it overall

wipeout64 is quite nice, the control on the analog stick feels like butter and the framerate etc is all nice and solid

[plush pelican]

I haven't played that one but I heard it's much more accessible to players who like F-Zero handling.

[thorn pagoda]

nah it still feels like wipeout, just with really nice analog control

its actually comparable to playing the psx one with a negcon

[plush pelican]

ah that's something I still aim to try

gotta grab one from yaj

[thorn pagoda]

negcon?

[plush pelican]

yeah

specifically for Ridge Racer and maybe Gran Turismo

[thorn pagoda]

definitely worth the money

if you like wipeout anyway

i kind of consider it the wipeout controller only

[plush pelican]

I bet it controls better than the driving wheel contemporaries

[thorn pagoda]

yeah but not better than modern wheels i don't think

[plush pelican]

the realistic degree ones? for sure.

I don't care about the haptic feedback on the super fancy ones, I just need precise steering.

[short shore]

Just tried the analog core on my CRT with YPbPr, it is BEAUTIFUL

Mike is a certified legend

[pearl harbor]

That feeling when there's something you always wanted, but didn't know it was already a reality.

[short shore]

Roms loaded up. Time to head for Saturn

[polar mountain]

Where do I get this analog core and does t require unstable main?

[glass aurora]

just ran into this bug, and came to the discord and searched for this issue. yours was the first comment I saw. It has got to be true!!

[polar mountain]

Is it the Y/C composite core from the pins section?

OK I see now.

[quaint dove]

If you add MikeS’s cores to your update_all settings it’ll grab the YC version automagically

[kind stump]

Once I get a bit more confidence from others, and that PAL looks good

[quaint dove]

PAL can’t look good

It’s impossible

50hz? In this economy?

[mortal mist]

single

[kind stump]

No need for dual, I've only been building single

[mortal mist]

dual is not for analog

[kind stump]

You can use single ram for both

Anecdotally I've heard its not anymore for this core but someone who has tested it more rigorously might want to chime in

[tiny flare]

I’m not sure if it ever was

It’s only with more recent builds that the SDram timings have been fixed and people are getting even close to consistent results, so it’s a bit of a moot point

[mortal mist]

I don't see the difference....

actually.... Resident Evil works better for me with one ram 😄

[tiny prairie]

Don't suppose there's been a custom build to fix the low sound volume has there?

[mortal mist]

no , there is no such

core is already amazing, there are some things to improve

srg320 is certainly aware that there is a problem with the sound

[tiny prairie]

Oh absolutely, I'm blown away by the progression the core's made. 🙂

or that srg320 has made with the core, I should say.

[tiny flare]

Still some stuff be fixed/implemented, but yeah it’s in an amazing place as of now

[errant sand]

daytona championship needs a clean boot of the mister to run it seems? has anyone else seen this?

[dense hill]

what's the process through which a mister core gets chd support

is it true it's not actually down to the core dev but other mister devs?

once the core is sufficiently mature to be integrated to mister

[open swan]

zakk typically takes a look at it and adds support when the time is right. adding chd support might result in a lot of false positive bug reports if not done carefully

it's added on the software end, in the main mister binary

[dense hill]

I see

damn, just watching my saturn files unzip right now, sweating

[open swan]

hehe

[dense hill]

got a terabyte hard drive, wrote a script that would delete all duplicates and delete japanese versions if there's a US/EU version

and.. it's still looking like I'm going to have to do more trimming for them all to fit when they unzip haha

right now I have everything in both PAL and NTSC but I might have to pick one to sacrifice

[serene thunder]

Saturn port of Zero 3 is great

I was obsessed with the Survival mode in the arcade original

I played the DC "upper" version but the DC controller will destroy hands
Now I have RetroPad32 cables for DC, but I still like the Saturn port

Oh, is that what happened? Fans ported a Naomi revision to the DC?

Anyway, Saturn port rules

Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking of
Don't have my DC setup here

https://youtu.be/imzxf7mJrq4

[sudden tusk]

New 32X unstable .. not sure if SRG authored it .. but this could mean Saturn updates soon

[mortal mist]

@drifting frigate is the author 🙂

[drifting frigate]

Unrelated to Saturn. It's a fix in the genesis memory management that was locking SH (keeping the Knuckles Chaotix attract mode and title screen from drawing).

[quick sorrel]

Oh thanks. I’ll check that out when I get back. (And my CRT setup is being redone so Saturn access is currently down.)

[next bronze]

I'm guessing Yoko mode in Shienryu uses an odd display trick.

[twilit forum]

I played the latest Saturn core. Fmvs seem to be broken or go out of sync now

But it seems to work nicely so far

[sudden pumice]

New YC Saturn core via YPbPr is working great on my CRT!!! Finally feeling a lot less beta and much closer to stable

[kind stump]

The core is currently sitting at 95% utilization :S, though that type of support is mostly in main 🙂

[open swan]

oh i know

i was saying that zakk does it when it's ready to be done

it will still cause bugs if you dont' do it right in main

we saw differences occasionally between chd and cue/bin on very rare edge cases with the psx core, usually related to network attached storage

it caused a few false positives

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/send-energy-sending-healing-dragon-ball-spirit-bomb-gif-16443313

[high bramble]

Spirit Build

[thin swan]

same experience! everything is centered and looking great on my 25" Phillips YPbPr

[burnt matrix]

Should I buy?

[wise brook]

doo ya like Panzer Dragoon, Stellar Assault & Space Harrier

$90 is steep but predictable

I love it myself

heck. combined with a daemonbite adapter you could also use it for DOS flight games

[thorn pagoda]

has it got a throttle somewhere ?

[burnt matrix]

I bought it

[kindred peak]

Send it to me when you change your mind, Robby. 🙂

[wise brook]

now you need a 2nd one

to make the ultimate controller

[alpine pagoda]

I missed one of those on eBay this morning for $40 because I forgot to bid. I hope someone here got a good deal.

[wise brook]

that's an amazing price

[alpine pagoda]

Yeah I’m sure if I’d bid it would have gone way higher, but someone got a deal anyway