Sega Saturn

[earnest ginkgo]

That's what I've got. Sega Rally Championship working away perfectly here on my Multisystem

[jagged quartz]

beautiful... (Please excuse the washout...)

[burnt matrix]

wiiiiide

[dire tree]

what is beautiful about that

color, scanlines, and aspect ratio do not look good!

[jagged quartz]

I now have sound...

[dire tree]

oh, beautiful audio

[jagged quartz]

Antonio VIllenas ram was the culprit

[dire tree]

I just thought you were showing something visually. I didnt know you had broken audio before

was it only broken in saturn core?

[jagged quartz]

yes, Beautiful AUDIO... aspect, scanlines, etc... not the focus of the video

[dire tree]

next time specify when everything looks ugly!~!!!

[jagged quartz]

Oh man, where to begin... audio was a mess, constant random freezing... you name it

[dire tree]

yikes

[amber lichen]

is there a way to tell what ram board you have without opening the case?

[dire tree]

i dont thinkn so

[amber lichen]

I got mine from zerhimeslf ages ago

[dire tree]

if you arent have issues, I wouldnt worry about it

[burnt matrix]

@jagged quartz I’m sorry to hear about your problem but I’m glad it’s fixed. We’ll keep that in mind for others if they report similar problems. So I appreciate you sharing that with us!

[amber lichen]

have issues with street fighter games

so far the 3 sf games I tried lockup in intro

[dire tree]

saturn street fighter

[jagged quartz]

Mine looked like this...

[amber lichen]

yeah

I remeber mine was a blue board with 2 chips

[wise brook]

the mark of the beast

[dire tree]

could any number of issues... like bad disc images, bad bios

[jagged quartz]

My new one looks like this...

[dire tree]

make sure your discs are redump verified and your bios is verified

[amber lichen]

I tried a few bioses already and checksum matches. I have not copied over the games to my usb yet

turbo: that's what mine looks like but I dont remeber the revision

[jagged quartz]

What is? Antonio Villena? Please tell me more.

[amber lichen]

@dire tree Mine are from redump set

[wise brook]

yes

[amber lichen]

@jagged quartz the ram board I bought from zerohimself ages ago

[dire tree]

I didnt try the street fighters yet since I would rather play the arcade cores, but I do want to try street fighter the movie

ill try a street fighter now... which one?

does street fighter the movie work for you?

[amber lichen]

on the sf collection I could load disc2 then get stuck at main menu loading now screen but disc1 would lockup at blue intro screen, others say they ran it successfully

[dire tree]

I got that one on the sd card already

[amber lichen]

I have not tried sf movie I tried alpha 2 and something else

I might have to invest in new ram modules

[dire tree]

you have dual ram?

[amber lichen]

no single board

[dire tree]

is there a reason people want to play street fighters on saturn instead of arcade?

[amber lichen]

from day 1 I was not able to get doom to run on my ram but others can but last couple builds I can run doom successfully

just for compability sakes

guess I'll have to keep my saturn and fenrir a bit longer

[dire tree]

I wouldnt go blaming your ram just yet.... some games apparently work for some and others they dont, which could be from different ram or different anything variations in hardware

well, yea... until the Saturn core has better audio at least

half the games I tried the audio cuts off

[amber lichen]

I have a phantom chip one one of my saturn with an AR cart

other saturn I got a fenrir

[dire tree]

I'm not impressed

[amber lichen]

me either and now I have a mister with some working saturn

[dire tree]

lol jk

[amber lichen]

I know but I'm still not impressed

[dire tree]

the core just isnt done yet

i imagine its a very difficult core

[amber lichen]

I remeber scouriing all the used game stores for a saturn back then it was harder to find the 4mb cart thna the console itself

[polar geode]

Imagine not being impressed with a core still in beta

[amber lichen]

Since I dont program any core is complex to me

[dire tree]

I am impressed by the core

[amber lichen]

I'm impressed with the saturn core, I'm surprised to see where its at today

I'm impressed that you're impressed

I have yet to try the n64 core. I guess I'm going to have to try it soon

too lazy to pull out my z64

and a bunch of zip disks

[dire tree]

lol ... damn you have one of those old things

is that worth money now?

id sell it

[amber lichen]

yeah I rember having to beg from firneds sister to get me a multigame hunter and stuff from HK those days

[dire tree]

if its worth a lot of money id sell it before the core is done

[amber lichen]

Keeping my z64 I had a hell of a time getting one of those

[dire tree]

seems like it would be a nostalgic collector item

[amber lichen]

lol yeah I collect more than I play really

[dire tree]

is that the same as Doctor 64

I remember I wanted one that took zip disks I think

[amber lichen]

Yeha I never got a dr64 sinxce I have a z64 but I also have a Krikkz n64 cart too

[dire tree]

long time ago

oh Dr64 took CDs right

[amber lichen]

so thats why I'm not in a rush to try out n64 core since its in very ealy stages

yeah used cds

back then cds were expensive as heck

[dire tree]

I would say N64 is further along than Saturn now but maybe its similar

[amber lichen]

and write speed sux, but if you had pioneer drives you can hack the fw to write faster speed

oh damn really? I thought it was way behind saturn since it just started

[dire tree]

no, Robert is super fast at developing

the core will probably seem perfect within a month or two

[amber lichen]

yeah his psx core is awesome

welp going to grab the n64 later and give it a whirl

[dire tree]

some games are squished on my CRT screen though, but that will be fixed

some look fine, like mario kart

the THQ wrestling games were all squished with black bars on the sides

[amber lichen]

I run hdmi on mine, mine screen does have component as well but my regular crt doesnt have vga

I still hook up all my old consoles to my crt though and have to use pal to ntsc patches

[jagged quartz]

@dire tree Maybe my sins have been cleansed?

[dire tree]

you will now go to heaven instead of hell

[jagged quartz]

It just blows my mind... I was so frustrated with the videos saying how great the core was, only for me to test it and have NOTHING but trouble. Dang Antonio Villena ram...

[high bramble]

Pixels too chunky... 😏

(had to complain about something) 😉

[jagged quartz]

I know the core is very early, and the Saturn is an SOB, but this new reliability is how it should have been all along.

@high bramble Surprised you didn't point out how it's washed out. For some reason when I convert and export it's like that... but I digress

[high bramble]

I'm in my 50s. Everything is washed out by now. 🤣

[jagged quartz]

So... anyone in need of some ram?

[earnest ginkgo]

Question (again), I'm following @tough star's instructions about for clearing the memory of the Saturn core from within the bios. All goes well, but it seems then on the core options screen the autosave, load backup ram, and save backup ram options are all greyed out. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Nevermind, need a game running first for it to open up the setting. Derp!

[amber lichen]

@jagged quartz are you going to pay me to take those ram off your hands?

[jagged quartz]

I'll just GIVE it to you. Might make for good target practice...

[polar geode]

Sexy Parodius seems to be freezing on the character select screen after picking a character. I think this is on PSX as well though

[topaz cairn]

Are the ROM carts for KOF95 and Ultraman dumped and if so do they work on the core? Or what about the cart to backup saves?

[polar geode]

Try using the DRAM 1M setting for cartridge in the core, see if they work

[topaz cairn]

no that doesnt work. I yhink that and the 4M are the RAM expansion carts. I believe the ones for those 2 games contain actual game data

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, some of those carts had actual game data on them.

[tall radish]

Does anybody else get the "drive door open" thing?

each time I try to load a core, I get it

*a game

[trim nimbus]

This list should cover the games that you can use the current carts for: https://segaretro.org/Extended_RAM_Cartridge

Are you starting from scratch or switching between cues?

And this is gamesacks coverage: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OgNuDLk7xnI

[craggy horizon]

The [h] part designates that it's "hacked" (presumably in this case, to be region-free). There are cheat sheets online that explain what all those bizarre file naming codes mean.

[topaz cairn]

Yeah I know about those 2 RAM carts, those work fine. I'm talking about the carts specifically for KoF95 and Ultraman. They contain game data and won't play without them.

[trim nimbus]

Right. Not sure on either count…I would assume someone dumped them, but I don’t think the core yet supports it.

[topaz cairn]

oh ok

[trim nimbus]

There is a 4mb hack for kof95

Looks like the same guy did an ultraman hack as well.

[topaz cairn]

cool, ill take a look

[lucid needle]

Does anyone know how to save in Guardian Heroes?

[dusk orchid]

Wow, didn't realize this had an update! Has saving been working?

[mortal mist]

yes, save works

[dusk orchid]

Man oh man!

[lucid needle]

But how? 😅

[pearl harbor]

It was so hype when saving was added. It opened up the core so much.

[burnt matrix]

I really miss those days, I go in and delete all my saves every day so it’s how it used to be

[pearl harbor]

Robby, thy name is Masochist.

[polar geode]

wizzo can write you a script for that

[high bramble]

Yes, that is TOSEC's naming convention. The [h] does indeed mean hacked, and in this case region-free.

[pearl harbor]

Robby just chooses to not replace the dead battery in his actual Saturn console to bring the old MiSTer experience into the past.

[mortal mist]

Memory Cards - Backup RAM
Since 2023-08-09 the Saturn core has the capability to save your game progress. In order to use the memory card you must first initialize it. Some games need an initialized memory card to start.

Start the core and wait for the load screen to come up
On this screen select 'Manage Memory'
Select 'Clear'
On the 'Okay to Clear' confirmation select 'Yes'
Go back to the main menu and you should be good to go - don't forget to set autosave to on on the MiSTer menu screen

and don't forget to open the OSD before turning off the MiSTer

[trim nimbus]

@topaz cairn I might have misled you…opening up the core again, you can specify your own rom cartridge and set rom type to rom 2M, so maybe they will work

although my twice-dumped kof95 does not have a cartridge file with it to test

[tawny forge]

I have a friend losing audio in attracting mode for SFZ3. Single ram. Anyone knows what could it be?

[mortal mist]

yeah , alpha core 😛

[tawny forge]

It would be nice to have at least anyone else with the same issue 😄

[dusk orchid]

Just played some of SOTN on saturn, worked great! Some slowdown in the dracula fight, but doesn't this version always have some?

[drifting frigate]

They have. I've tasted them. Ultraman works perfectly. KoF has graphical bugs.

[mortal mist]

yes, there are slowdowns

[drifting frigate]

To clarify "works perfectly" for ultraman doesn't mean "it's good" 🙂

[dire tree]

Daytona USA - Circuit Edition (Japan)
DecAthlete (USA)
Deep Fear (USA) (Unl)
Die Hard Arcade (USA)
Digital Pinball - Necronomicon (Japan)
Dragon Force (USA)
Elevator Action^2 - Returns (Japan)
Fighters Megamix (USA)
Gale Racer (Japan) (En,Ja) (1A)
Game Tengoku - The Game Paradise! (Japan)
Guardian Heroes (USA)
Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius - Forever with Me (Japan)
Keiou Yuugekitai - Okiraku Tamatebako (Japan)
Keriotosse!
Kyuutenkai (Japan)
Last Gladiators - Digital Pinball (USA) (3S)
Legend of Oasis, The (USA)
Lunacy (USA)
Mansion of Hidden Souls, The (USA)
Manx TT SuperBike (USA)
Mega Man 8 (USA)
Mega Man X4 (USA)
Panzer Dragoon (USA) (1S)
Panzer Dragoon II Zwei (USA)
Panzer Dragoon Saga (USA)
Pebble Beach Golf Links (USA)
Radiant Silvergun (Japan)
Saturn Bomberman (USA) (1S)
Saturn Bomberman Fight!! (Japan)
Sega Rally Championship Plus Netlink Edition (USA)
Sexy Parodius (Japan)
Shanghai - Banri no Choujou - The Great Wall (Japan) (Rev A) (15M)
Shanghai - Great Moments (Japan) (1M)
Shanghai - Triple-Threat (USA)
Shinobi Legions (USA)
Shinobi-X - Shin Shinobi Den (Europe)
Sonic 3D Blast (USA)
Space Invaders (Japan)
Steep Slope Sliders (USA)
Street Fighter - The Movie (USA)
Tetris S (Japan) (Rev A)
Thunder Force V (Japan)
Time Bokan Series - Bokan to Ippatsu! Doronbow Kanpekiban
True Pinball (USA)
Virtua Cop (USA) (7S)
Virtua Cop 2 (USA)
Virtua Fighter Remix (USA)
Virtua Fighter 2 (USA)
Virtua Racing (USA) (12S)
Virtual Casino (USA)
Winter Heat (USA)```

whats missing from a curated beginner list?

[drifting frigate]

Astal?

[dire tree]

im sure a bunch of shooters

[craggy horizon]

Automated scoldings about piracy and a set of let-me-google-that-for-you links to ROM sites?

[drifting frigate]

Re: Lunacy - does the guy in the cell sound like Chris Parnell to anyone else in the EN version?

[dire tree]

lol.. i didnt try lunacy yet but looked interesting so i added it

[drifting frigate]

It's not bad for that type of game

[craggy horizon]

Maybe Chris Parnell is just the "chicken" of voice actors, so everybody sounds like him?

[dusk orchid]

Cotton worked great on an early core, need to try with latest

[dire tree]

i guess i should add outrun for 60 fps version

[drifting frigate]

But Locke from Lost greeting you in Cyril Figgis' voice is weird.

[craggy horizon]

Darkwing Duck as the demon in the xbox360 Splatterhouse remake was even more disturbing.

[mortal mist]

ok 2nd place in Sega Rally 😄

[drifting frigate]

Whinnie the BOO!

[mortal mist]

getting closer

[drifting frigate]

Jim Cummings' voice is iconic.

[drifting frigate]

Worth every race just to play it. I really do love that game.

[craggy horizon]

What's really uncanny is how much Corey Feldman's Donatello voice in the 1990 TMNT movie sounds like Billy West's Fry voice.

[drifting frigate]

Which is kinda just Billy West's voice.

I love that ERJ got to be in the second one out of costume.

[lucid needle]

Thank you!

[drifting frigate]

Sorry, turtle tangent.

Voight Kompf confirmed

[craggy horizon]

COW-A-TANGENT!!

[drifting frigate]

"I mooed a funny!"

[dire tree]

like splinter

[craggy horizon]

Was he in the first one in costume?

[drifting frigate]

He played Donnie if I'm remembering right

But that might be apocryphal

Checked IMDb....yeah, he was Donnie in costume/fights.

6.8 for the original??? Go home, IMDb....you're drunk.

[analog totem]

Bug! booted on first try it’s my lucky day

[craggy horizon]

Not according to IMDB...

nevermind, found it... he's listed as a stuntperson

Cool

[ripe dune]

Just a sanity check, but does booting games from a NAS take a very long time for everybody else?

[polar geode]

Doesnt on my cifs share

[ripe dune]

Hm. I'm at minute 12 of launching Sonic R.

PSX seems to be fine. It just seems to be Saturn.

[mortal mist]

something is definitely wrong 😛

[ripe dune]

Seems so.

I wonder what.

Like I said, my other systems are fine.

[thorn pagoda]

resident evil, nights into dreams

[dire tree]

RE better on PSX

[mortal mist]

for me RE/Biohazard does not work, I checked on two Misters , ssd and sd card

dual / single

[dire tree]

Nights is a good addition

[mortal mist]

Berry hangs up , runs in circles

[thorn pagoda]

re is better on psx sure but the saturn version is unique

[mortal mist]

or Jill hang hehe

Chris "works"

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, all the costumed folks were. IMDb decided to hide that on desktop, too. Now you have to click tags.

😦

[thorn pagoda]

yeah RE was actually running better a couple of days ago

[drifting frigate]

Poor stunt folks.

[thorn pagoda]

most recent builds i'm getting hung up on every cutscene it seems

[mortal mist]

Steep Slope Sliders works great

[mortal mist]

someday it will work 😄

Shninig Wisdom works great

[ripe dune]

Sonic R finally finished loading after 35 minutes. 🙂 Hahaha

[mortal mist]

hahaha good time 😄

the good games are worth waiting for

[ripe dune]

And so is Sonic R.

By comparison, SoTN took ~3 seconds to load on PSX core.

Interesting.

It looks like I get an error on first boot. Kbd mode: Joystick 1

[dire tree]

about to try steep slope today actually

[ripe dune]

But if I wait a long time, eventually the boot.rom gets loaded in and I see the Saturn BIOS

When I run off SD card, that doesn't happen.

Odd.

[dire tree]

00f... not worth it

[ripe dune]

Tell me about it. It's a shame. NAS loading works perfectly for every other core. Not sure why I'm having issues with this one.

[dire tree]

weird\

saturn has some weird issues

at the momentn so far

[drifting frigate]

Try renaming your /games/Saturn directory on your SD card to something like Saturn_Bak and test JUST the NAS (unless that's what you're already doing).

Just for testing. I had some weird issues when I had both. Nothing like what you're seeing, though.

[dire tree]

i would assume you shouldnt even have the same folder existing on sd card and NAS

or SD Card and External Drive

seen nothing but issues people had

but havent tried myself

[drifting frigate]

Hopefully that's not it, but yeah... it gave me a lot of problems.

(And it was an accident. My image still had Saturn and the bios on it when I did a clean install and I totally forgot to remove it, like a cotton headed ninnymuggins.)

[ripe dune]

Yep, same problems, I'm afraid.

Ah well. I'll just unmount and use SD for now.

Thanks for the tip anyway!

[drifting frigate]

NP, hope you can get it figured out eventually (or that it's just the CD timings in the core and it gets worked out). CIFS is magical.

[ripe dune]

I should have done it way sooner, tbh. I've had an active Samba share on my home server for years.

[tawny forge]

A friend of mine is having consistent audio loss on SFZ3. Wondering if it’s related do SD speed?

@umbral radish same issues you’re having right?

[mortal mist]

i don't think is sd card

[tawny forge]

Audio loss on SFZ3?

[mortal mist]

more ram

[drifting frigate]

Is it named 'DE_AMIGO?"

My NAS is LilNASX.

[tawny forge]

Yep it’s probably RAM related

[mortal mist]

some people still have problems , especially with v 2.4 ram

[tawny forge]

I think my friend is having the same issues as @umbral radish

[mortal mist]

but the core is already working incredibly well

even now I no longer have the need to run my Saturn

Has anyone checked if Vandal hearts still lacks highlighting of menu options ?

[drifting frigate]

I can take a peek.

Woah. I get some corruption on the data cache screen!

Still no highlight @mortal mist

[mortal mist]

thanks!

[drifting frigate]

NP

[supple vine]

The (R) Version of Bug! now always boots for me. I played to level 3 without problems. The non-(R) version still doesn’t boot.

I wish redump would use clear names instead of attaching (R) or (S) or other cryptic codes to filenames.

[zinc vine]

we still need salamnder 2 to work then i wont need my saturn

[tawny forge]

What game is that?

[zinc vine]

shoot em up game, Salamander Deluxe Pack Plus 3 game in one. 2 out of 3 work

when selection salamander 2 it goes to black screen

[tawny forge]

Awesome! Will check it out! Thanks!

[drifting frigate]

I was introduced to the series by Life Force on NES....which is odd because that's also a really creepy horror movie from about that time. But it's really good.

[frail token]

I know that always tripped me up lol

[drifting frigate]

Versus the movie that just MESSED me up (I loved it though...still do)

[frail token]

I have yet to see it

[drifting frigate]

The best reason:

[kindred peak]

One of Tobe Hooper's classics.

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth!

[pearl harbor]

Life Force was one of my favorite NES games when I was a kid. Played the heck out of it.

[mortal mist]

works fine on core ?

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, seems perfect to me. I own an original copy of the game, and can't tell the difference. Though I admittedly haven't done a full play through on the core yet.

[mortal mist]

great !

added to collection 😄

[pearl harbor]

I still find it funny that Magic Knight Rayearth was one of the earliest Saturn releases in Japan. And then outside of Japan, it was literally the final officially licensed Saturn release.

[drifting frigate]

WITH the stickers...you magnificent beast...

[clear condor]

Sorry to necro this - I helped with the prototype. The processing is on that one frame, but the border is always there

[pearl harbor]

Check out these magnificent treasures!

[dire tree]

what other games am i MISSING

[clear condor]

You could maybe have the border show up for one frame, but then you might get the same problem the GunCon 2 has on MiSTer, where the gun doesn't "catch" the border, and its last captured image isn't suitable for processing

[drifting frigate]

Ah, thanks for clarifying!

[clear condor]

the big objection to the border isn't that it's ugly - it's that it occupies FPGA logic

not much FPGA logic, but enough to be kind of obnoxious just to support a single peripheral

[dire tree]

I need more recommendations

[thorn pagoda]

elevator action2

[dire tree]

its on there

[kindred peak]

Clockwork Knight 1 & 2

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, totally get the decision. I was just trying to parse the thread as an outside observer. I'm always up to test stuff with Sinden since I've only really used it for the game I mentioned way up in the thread. But yeah, makes sense.

[pearl harbor]

Night Striker S, Darius Gaiden

[thorn pagoda]

oh, bulk slash (translation)

[kindred peak]

Also lacking Virtual On

[pearl harbor]

Some of the Sega Ages games like Outrun

[drifting frigate]

Awesome list additions.

[dire tree]

i got outrun just didnt update

virtual on you need the sticks

[kindred peak]

I know it's a meme at this point, but the Bug games are Saturn staples.

[dire tree]

ill add the bug games

[thorn pagoda]

here's my curated list

[kindred peak]

You do not NEED the sticks.

[drifting frigate]

I've played it with a pad.

[dire tree]

you need the sticks to play in its proper form

[mortal mist]

hehe

[drifting frigate]

If you have both controllers enabled it will prompt you, but just disable controller 2. You should anyway.

[dire tree]

ill add it anyway

[drifting frigate]

That' true.

It really is BEST with sticks.

[pearl harbor]

Also Galaxy Force II and After Burner II in the Sega Ages line.

Also add Stellar Assault SS (translation), Sky Target, Tryrush Deppy, Metal Black, Cotton 2, Gunbird, Galactic Attack, Guardian Force, Dragon Force II (translation), Bubble Symphony, and Albert Odyssey.

There are so many I could list!

[polar geode]

Here's my folder :)

Its almost all 2D

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/wine-alcohol-red-will-ferrell-drinking-gif-5034418

where is Panzer Dragoon ? where ???

[dire tree]

i got all 3 on there

[mortal mist]

but batty

why

😄

[ancient fractal]

I started a play through this week on the core. Only arrived to the village by the sea yet, but I’ve noticed at least one obvious bug so far concerning sprite transparencies. There was also quite a bit of slow down in the first village, but I haven’t busted out my actual Saturn to compare.

That said, the game is very much playable on the core in its current state.

[polar geode]

Not interested really, there is nothing at all wrong with those games though

[mortal mist]

just kidding , i understand 🙂

[polar geode]

I also have this weird thing where I'm resisting having any controllers with analog sticks

So that doesnt help

[pearl harbor]

You should create a controller that is only analog sticks!

[tiny flare]

Give in and get a 3D pad

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

[tiny flare]

Although it only works completely correctly via SNAC right now, @drifting frigate has been poking around with what what needs to happen to get analog triggers working on MiSTer for USB controllers

Wasn’t really a thing needed by any cores until now I guess

[drifting frigate]

@inner token and @noble escarp are the heroes on that one, but I'm definitely the annoying tack on the chair, for sure!

[tiny flare]

I appreciate you banging the drum on that all the same 😆

[pearl harbor]

Regarding Virtual On, is it possible that it could work with something like a Dual Shock 4's twin sticks?

[drifting frigate]

Yes, once emulation is hooked up to the HPS input.

[tiny flare]

It’s purely digital so it should be able to be made to work quite easily, just needs to be mapped correctly

[tiny flare]

Does it need anything special? I was always under the impression it was just a normal pad with everything rearranged, ie if I plug it into my daemonbite all the inputs come through

Although yeah I’ve only tried it on the core via SNAC so far

[wise brook]

that's how the ps2 Virtual On games play

[dire tree]

real twin sticks arent expensive i think its worth it if you like the game

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-out-window-suicide-quit-gif-14954656

[tiny flare]

Oh you mean like the ability to make those inputs to analog stick…yeah that’s not possible yet I don’t think

[drifting frigate]

I don't have one, but looking through SRG's hps2pad.sv some of the inputs are dummied out currently and it does show as a 6 axis analog device. But I haven't looked too deeply into it.

[tiny flare]

The twin stick itself is digital though

[drifting frigate]

So X1, Y1 (normally left stick), X2, Y2 (normally right stick) could be hooked up, but whatever analog it uses for Z1/Z2 is still waiting for those changes in main.

Maybe mission stick and twin stick are different?

Again, I have no sticks. I'm stickless. Sans stick.

[tiny flare]

Ah yep, twin stick is just two arcade levers, so yeah totally different to the flight stick

Well two arcade levers with buttons on them 😄

[drifting frigate]

OK, then yeah, that should be mappable. But there's currently no emulator for it in the pad translation.

I'll poke around with it.

If i can find out what the stick outputs it might be as simple as just mapping in MiSTer.

[tiny flare]

I can’t remember offhand but yeah it just remaps the regular digital face and shoulder buttons for the right stick, so yeah it would probably just be a matter of some helpful strings in the OSD so people know what to map

[drifting frigate]

@tiny flare Do you know what U/D/L/R map to on the rightr stic. Ah...ok

Lemme play with it. I bet it's as simple as a controller remap in OSD.

[umbral radish]

@tawny forge Yes, this was another game that I was having issues with in terms of audio loss

[tawny forge]

Thank you! What other JT cores did you have issues with your RAM? Will ask him to test those as well!

[dire tree]

how do i post a list where you gotta click to expand it

[drifting frigate]

So yeah, totally works right now. Just select digital in the OSD for Saturn, then map the joysticks, triggers, and hat buttons to the correct ABCXYZ, Which I don't know but the actual presses register fine. So if you can find what they directly map to, you're golden. I'm still googling.

https://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=controls:twin_stick_button_layout

[tiny flare]

Yeah plugged it in now, just to confirm

[pearl harbor]

Nice, what makes that a great workaround is that you can just save that setup to a DS4 controller since it's probably the only game you'd use a DS4 for on the core.

[drifting frigate]

Sorry about the dual mission stick confusion. But yeah, this sould absolutely work. I'm remapping right now.

[dire tree]

wouldnt it be cool to have seganet support

[tiny flare]

Yeah I was pretty certain it would, the only thing I wasn’t clear on is if you can map analog to face buttons

But you totally can right?

[umbral radish]

@tawny forge The one that rings bells with me is one the Capcom games .... that Saturday Night Wrestling game (I've forgotten the name and I'm not near the MiSTer at the moment) .... a couple of the CPS2 gave me issues at the time, never really gone to check them as they're games I was never that interested in.

[drifting frigate]

Yep

[tawny forge]

Thank you! Will ask him to test a handful of CPS2 games! 👍

[drifting frigate]

So what I tried was:
Left stick mapped as D pad. Right stick Up = Y, Right = Z, Left = X, Down = B, then I did L trigger to L trigger, R trigger to X, A to right trigger, C to Y.
And it seemed to work just fine. You could probably use the thumb clicks as well for the the hat buttons, but I hate thumb clicks as they generally make me lose control while clicking because I've got rock eater hands.

[faint flicker]

Did someone try House of the Dead lately? Game works great here I have sound and I could beat the first level. Now waiting for light gun support

[drifting frigate]

Yep! I did it with the 3D pad (way better than D imo) and loved it!

But wiimote/gun support will be so nice!

It's way less laggy than it was a bit ago. Definitely coming along.

Cryptkiller, too.

[dire tree]

i need some good puzzle recommendations that dont have arcade cores

[drifting frigate]

Puyopuyo always.

[tiny flare]

no light gun even on blue1's SNAC builds yet, is there?

[drifting frigate]

I'm not sure. If the light gun takes more than 32bits, probably not.

But I don't have one to test and the build is now out of date anyway.

[tiny flare]

I can try it I guess, Virtua Cop 2 has been working perfectly for a while now

[dire tree]

any others you know of?

[quaint dove]

Is the latest version of the core available anywhere publicly that I can just grab via wget?

Son is on my computer and I’m stuck using ssh from my phone

[kindred peak]

Weird how?

[drifting frigate]

Does Baku Baku have an arcade core? If not, that's a great one.

[dire tree]

have you tried beating him?

I dont think we hve baku baku core no

[kindred peak]

I knew I liked you, Andy.

[tiny flare]

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230922_123a90.rbf

[quaint dove]

Oh wait of course vampier has a script

[dire tree]

is the redump updated?

latest saturn dat is from yesterday or today

[kindred peak]

I was curious what "weird" meant though. The earliest pressings of the game had a glitch where the first second of the music skipped. Later revisions corrected it.

[dire tree]

there is a program you download called RomVault and you put the dat files in the dat folder, pick the folder with the games, scan, find fixes, and fix

you also need to download the latest cue files zip

ill try virtua fighter 2 its on my card hold on

[ancient surge]

Maybe try Puyo Puyo Sun, Puzzle Bobble 3, and Tetris Plus.

Oh and Baku Baku Animal

[dire tree]

i added those... any more?

[mortal mist]

End , no issues

Guardian Heroes works perfectly

[dire tree]

how long do i have to play or does it get messed up in the intro?

[drowsy skiff]

wow i just tried this core out for the first time in a few updates and everything im throwing at it is running like a champ

[ancient surge]

Cleopatra Fortune, Dero~n Dero Dero/Tecmo Stackers, Hanagumi Taisen Columns, Kururin Pa! and it's sequel Shingata Kururin Pa!, Tokimeki Memorial: Taisen Pazurudama

[dire tree]

its sounds fine for me

latest redump

although volume seems kinda low

oh i have no sound effects when kicking and punching

[mortal mist]

yes, some games are "too quiet"

[dire tree]

true

is Wasabi the real Mike Matei

if not thats false advertisement

[inner token]

no trigger will work iirc but sensor won't. not all the logic is in the core for lightguns and some is commented out.

so no usb guns either yet. would be nice if someone figured out those interrupts, srg could probably do it in 5 minutes.

[drifting frigate]

He hasn't punched me and asked me what's up doc yet, so the verdict is still out.

[inner token]

there's a pad interrupt in SCU and external latch in VDP2 that may need done.

[tawny forge]

He’s probably not

[drifting frigate]

Do pads run off of the doubled VDP2 clock?

[dire tree]

I know Mike has a mister

[drifting frigate]

I know enough people who are known by other people haunting discords to never assume, but most of them don't use their own face. Hehe.

[dire tree]

lol thats true

[drifting frigate]

That being said...I use my own face and DOZENS of people know me. DOZENS! (thanks Devolver!)

[kindred peak]

@drifting frigate - what are you talking about? This is my real face.

[drifting frigate]

Well, yes...but as I understand it ...when you're a turtle you LOVE being one.

[dire tree]

are you dressed as an Andorian?

well you are even if you arent

I can respect that

[drifting frigate]

Yeah. I mean, legally NO....but yeah.

Sadly, we lost all the footage for that day, so the stills and BTS are all I have.

[pearl harbor]

I will always know Andy D as the guy from 1–2 Switch.

[drifting frigate]

If you do a giphy search for andorian, I'll wave and say hi.

UPPAHCUT! UPPAHCUT! JAB!

[errant sand]

@drifting frigate thanks for that pad disabling trick mate

[dire tree]

im lookin to film a tv show but @naive whale wont give me his FX3

[drifting frigate]

It was actually @wise brook

[kindred peak]

I looked, but, uh... you ain't waving in the gif I found. 🤣

[errant sand]

thank you @wise brook

[drifting frigate]

Hehe. "Don't you DARE drink after we just did last looks" - our makeup artist.

[dire tree]

lol

[drifting frigate]

You wanna rent an Ursa 4.6K? It's Netflix certified....for now.

😉

[drifting frigate]

I know that the connection changed, but a lot of the DNA in the Saturn inputs is shared with Megadrive I have been told. Perhaps incorrectly. I wonder if the MegaDrive lightgun.sv could be a decent source since it implements mouse/wii/etc. This isn't suggestion, this is literally me just wondering if any work might be reusable.

[dire tree]

nah I need to own FX3

[inner token]

the lightgun.sv might be usable but won't fix the unimplemeted stuff in the core.

I have some notes, I tried to get it working before. I probably need to take a fresh look at it

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, I was assuming that there's a bit to flag absx/y on the PDR*I input but Saturn docs, as you know.... are... Saturn docs.

Plus I'm guessing you have to enable those inputs from HPS, etc.

No sense in every core accepting mouse/lightgun/etc.

Someone was asking about rom cart games earlier. KoF 95 and Ultraman. There's a collection somewhere googlable where you can look for the words bizhawk firmware to find specific cart data. Most images are patched now to use the 4MB card though, but if you DO need to use an OG image, it totally works with the 'load cartridge' menu option. https://youtu.be/uM0P6SrRLF0

[drowsy skiff]

save options are greyed out for me in the menu, but i've initialized in the bios and things look ok there. any ideas?

[tawny forge]

@umbral radish just so you know my friend is facing the same issues you’re having with the same saturn games. He didn’t have issues with CPS2 muscle bomber though.

[open swan]

as long as you follow the rules you won't get banned

[polar geode]

Its just.. Mike Mattei?

Maybe I dont want to know

[kindred peak]

I had to look up who that even is

[dusk orchid]

Hmm, anyone try the policenauts translation recently?

[drifting frigate]

Not the last two builds, but prior. @naive whale did as well, I believe.

Was working well.

Alliteration aside. Assonance assured.

[naive whale]

havent tried in a bit

[dusk orchid]

Didnt want to do the intro again and not be able to save, but now that's fixed so...

[drifting frigate]

I did test save on it and it worked (I mean, it always seems to!) so yeah, go for it!

[dusk orchid]

Been waiting to replay it since i recently replayed snatcher, but i was waiting to try the saturn version+

[trim nimbus]

so, other than SFZ3, are there any additions to the other CPS-2/Neogeo ports that making having the Saturn version worthwhile over the originals?

[drifting frigate]

[Deleting what I now think is incorrect info....DMA_READ_C pulls high and stays, but I think that happens earlier in the loop, not as part of the DMA read flag assignment]

[umbral radish]

Interesting he's not having the CPS2 issues. What revision of the sdram is your friend using? As I said, it was only a couple of CPS2 games that gave me issues.
Oh well, looks like I'll be waiting on the next release of the core. Still, at least quite a few games working that don't give me issues.

[digital mauve]

I am joining the Saturn core club.

[silk mauve]

I was so into Life Force that I had convinced myself as a kid that Gradius had copied them. I was too young to pay attention that both games were published by Konami, haha.

[polar geode]

For those wanting Salamander Deluxe Pack, it actually is equal on the PSX in this case.

[astral crane]

but it's not a saturn...

[digital mauve]

It took me an embarrassing amount of time to figure out Parodius was Parody and Gradius combined.

[polar geode]

Saturn isnt always superior for Arcade ports. Its resolution is lower, and sometimes things are just better on PSX, or at least equal.

The hard and fast "2D better on Saturn" rule doesnt always apply

Capcom Generations 1-5 for example, almost entirely better on PSX except for one game.

[dire tree]

Check out the movie "Life Force", its awesome

[dire tree]

Is there a master list of what is better on which?

[polar geode]

Not that Im aware of, but thats a good idea.

[dire tree]

yeah, there should be

there probably is for shmups at least

but I would like a full list of all genres

[polar geode]

Dont get me wrong, Saturn is better overall for 2D than PSX but.. there is a list of exceptions that some folks might find useful.

[tawny forge]

I’m discovering saturn now after this core. It didn’t impress me so far.

Any killer app I should try so I can change my mind? 🤔

[mortal mist]

I'm a psx psychofan , but i love Saturn 🙂

[tawny forge]

I love all consoles too! 🌝

And that includes N64 even! 😌

Me runs

[dire tree]

yeah I know... I think Castlevania is better on PSX

[polar geode]

I like to say that I love everything. But some stuff just sucks.. like ZX Spectrum

[dire tree]

I like spectrum but not the colors

some of the homebrew stuff is impressive

[ancient fractal]

Nope, appreciation should be earned 🙂

[polar geode]

All I can do is post my 2D games rom folder list

[pearl harbor]

Do 2D games with stereoscopic 3D count?

[dire tree]

I been workin on this list.... but some are probably better on PSX?

its just a list of what I am putting on sd card at the moment, curated

not a top hits list, but stuff to play for me. I should put some RPGs

but I am trying to leave out anything better on PSX

[tawny forge]

I was actually looking for this! Thank you for this curated list!

[dire tree]

im still workin on it

[tawny forge]

Please let us know when you have it finished

[polar geode]

I think you're mostly good, Ill see about checking into Arcade Gears. Someone more knowledgable than myself mentioned one of the parodius games was better on PSX

[dire tree]

that wouldnt surprise me

maybe sexy parodius

or forever with me

i guess those are the only two though

oh there is 4... one PAL exclusive

im leaving out anything with an arcade core too

[tawny forge]

@dire tree did you have the chance to test the games on your list with the core? How do they perform overall?

[dire tree]

no ive only tested around 10 so far

some had sound issues

[silk mauve]

Can't wait! I wonder if it will scar me today as much as it would have as a kid...

[dire tree]

maybe most

[tawny forge]

@dire tree did you have sound issues with SFZ3 or Sega Rally?

[dire tree]

hopefully sound gets nailed in the core soon, that seems to be the biggest issue

didnt try any street fighter cause we got arcade cores, other than the movie game which is unique on saturn anyway. sega rally havent tried yet

gonna try more games today

loved playing Saturn bomberman... harder than I thought I kept blowing myself up

[polar geode]

Curated 2D only for the most part

[astral crane]

I can't see

[dire tree]

im still going through batty's list to add more also

[dire tree]

im on PC so i open the image in browser

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-what-is-this-a-center-for-ants-rage-pissed-off-gif-17891853

[drowsy skiff]

save options are greyed out for me in the menu, but i've initialized in the bios and things look ok there. any ideas?

[mortal mist]

Run game , and check 🙂

[drowsy skiff]

see some people looking for game recomendations as i scroll around too, check these lists out:
https://vsrecommendedgames.miraheze.org/wiki/Saturn
https://vsrecommendedgames.miraheze.org/wiki/Saturn/Japan

[drowsy skiff]

I'll look again, noticed cuz castlevania wouldn't save after i hit a room though

[mortal mist]

Autosave is on?

[ancient surge]

Recommendation lists are fine to start out with, but I feel like you should also randomly pick games too. Sometimes you find a game you like that you never knew existed.

[tawny forge]

Will do that once CHD support is implemented

[thorny lion]

Holy smokes, just updated my Mister and the single ram core after a week on vacation -- core runs so well! Played the intro to Burning Rangers and Saturn Bomberman without any issues and without having to manually load the BIOS anymore 👍

[drifting frigate]

Frankenstein, Through the Eyes of the Monster. For all the wrong AND right reasons.

Messing around with odd corners of the library is a blast.

I kinda wish Tully Bodine had gotten an upscaled (upcolor depthed, mostly) Saturn release because the fmv was well produced. For FMV. But Elon Musk went to PayPal. (not the reason, but it's still so odd that it was his first real gig...Sega CD)

The pc version is fine. But I always preferred that stuff on consoles.

[trim nimbus]

I feel one of the big downsides of getting into the Saturn on the mister is a lot of its standout titles are arcade ports that already have mister cores.

[leaden dagger]

Deep fear and the better version of baroque

Oh an burning rangers

[trim nimbus]

One of the upsides of getting into the Saturn on the mister is the surprising number of fan translations being released in the last 5 years.

[polar geode]

If you're willing to invest the time (maybe in chunks) there are videos on youtube that show 5-10 seconds of every game in a console's library

Good way to find things to look into more

[kindred peak]

And stuff like SF Zero 3 has content that goes WAY beyond what the CPS2 version has. Characters, game modes, more animation frames... even above the PSX.

There's a lot of treasure on Saturn.

[drifting frigate]

Silhouette Mirage/Guardian Heroes...there's alsoi Tresure on Saturn! <bung!>

[trim nimbus]

Haha, I was going there too

Only three treasures on the Saturn

(You forgot radiant silvergun)

[polar geode]

If no one has mentioned Vampire Saviour, it has a full character roster where the CPS2 versions do not

[trim nimbus]

Do you know anywhere that actually breaks down differences between the ports? I have been looking for a reference and I can’t find anything.

[kindred peak]

AND the uncensored FMVs in Off World Interceptor Extreme. Because those poor Sony kids couldn't handle the swears!

[trim nimbus]

I swear back in the early 2000s there were tons of breakdowns on changes and the missing frames, but now I just find people in forums talking with authority and no proof.

[kindred peak]

It's all kind of scattered here and there. I know I have a ton of knowledge on differences regarding the Crystal Dynamics games (and others) I've never written down. 😅

[trim nimbus]

I used my Saturn for pretty much capcom games exclusively, but now I am just trying to justify the sd space vs the originals. Sfz3 for sure because of reverse dramatic battle.

For some reason I believed Norimaru was specific to the Japanese Saturn but he is apparently in arcade releases of mshvssf.

[verbal topaz]

Did you ever get around to trying this? I am curious myself (and own two saturn multitaps).

[dire tree]

thats why I use full sets and people act like you are crazy for that

you can't curate every single game you might want to play, only games you know of. Unless you know what every single game is already and tried each one

[acoustic sable]

I do subscribe to the "throw out all football/football/baseball/wrestling games" (insert genres you will never play here, obviously), which in my case can often drop the disk space by half thanks to annual releases.

[drifting frigate]

We got some confirmation from one of the devs that 9 player might be the upper limit simply due to the 32bit polling. Every controller takes 3 bits but there's also a flag, so 9 might be the theoretical max on the current state of things. Still, 9!

My guess is 5 on SNAC multitap, 4 on Reflex multitap (just to keep stress off of the USB chain) might actually just work.

If you're itching to try it. Hehe.

[astral crane]

you guys have so many friends

[drifting frigate]

Friends? You people don't play with your feet?

(legit, that's the most important accessory I'm missing....friends)

[astral crane]

😦

[drifting frigate]

Oh, it's nothing like that. If I want to play 3 or 4 player I'm covered. But getting 10 people into a room? I can't get 5 to consistently show up over Zoom to play D&D.

[dire tree]

I like good sports games, but arcade sports is the best

like Neo Terf Masters is an amazing golf game on NeoGeo

NBA Jam is a great basketball game... stuff like that is awesome. NFL Blitz

Wrestling games are great too but mostly for wrestling fans

not all of course... some suck ass

Virtua Tennis games, those are great... there are great sports games. Now if you wanna throw out all the EA and shit I can understand

[verbal topaz]

What about TWO reflex adapters?

[drifting frigate]

The bit limit is on the Saturn side as I understand it. I have no idea how heavy the reflex adapters are on the bus, but as long as it's under 9 total pads it could still work. In fact, I think that's specifically what Pork was looking into testing. Fingers crossed!

[drifting frigate]

You know what's funny....never got into most sports games (arcade asside...I agree that they are just a blast). But when I got my OG Xbox, a friend of mine from grade school was in Top Spin so I picked it up. We hadn't talked in a decade at that point, but he had gone pro so I was like 'Hey, I know that guy!' and ... I had so much damned fun with that game.

[dire tree]

I remember Top Spin was pretty decent

I did like SEGA Sports simulation games... those were cool I got into NBA and NFL 2K games on Dreamcast

they blew away whatever EA was doing

[unkempt kelp]

Blue1 will set us straight

[dire tree]

let's hear it blue1

[inner token]

it's not bits it's bytes. Here is the 32 bytes of Oreg when two taps are connected. 4 digital pads in 1 and 3 in the other. each of those 02FFFF's are a pad

so maybe you could get away with another one, in the emulator I tested it didn't like 4 on each.

[dusk orchid]

Wow!

[drifting frigate]

Thanks for clarifying!

[inner token]

it is possible to use more than that since 10 is possible on real saturn but whatever need to happen (i don't remember) when you go over isn't implemented right now

[dire tree]

anyone can add to my saturn list of good games to play? ones that are not better on psx and dont have arcade cores?

any genre welcome

[burnt matrix]

Where’s Virtual Hydlide?

[mortal mist]

omg

[dire tree]

hydlide sucks but i wold still include it

[mortal mist]

we forgot the holy grail

VIRTUAL HYDLIDE

top satrun game

[dire tree]

I just dont want nto waste the paste on my card at the moment

[burnt matrix]

I love playing virtual Hydlide on my Satrun

[dire tree]

ill play it if we get a turbo mode

[digital mauve]

Gals Panic is peak entertainment on Saturn.

[burnt matrix]

Satrun is my favorite system!

[burnt matrix]

I know this wasn’t intentional but I love this and it’s what I’m calling the Sega Saturn from now on.

I LOVE SEGA SATRUN!

[dire tree]

is it on psx?

[sudden tusk]

I think even with turbo mode it would still move like shit ,

[digital mauve]

I don't believe so.

[dire tree]

alright ill add it

hahahahahaha

[polar geode]

...o_o

[digital mauve]

Pretty sure Saturn was the exclusive console entry for the Gals Panic series.

[sudden tusk]

Play Sakura wars

[dire tree]

is it on psx

[burnt matrix]

Maybe

[dire tree]

yes or no boy

dont shit me timbers

[burnt matrix]

shit me Timbers lmaooo

No it’s not

[digital mauve]

If it wasn't good I am sure it got a PSX release.

Must be good.

[dire tree]

alright ill add sakura wars and gals panic

[digital mauve]

Making an exclusive list or something?

[dire tree]

does sakura wars need a translation?

[dire tree]

yea kinda... as long as the game is better on saturn (vs psx) and doesnt have an arcade core

[digital mauve]

Does not currently have an arcade core.

[dire tree]

no a full exclusive list just good games

and certain games

i dont have unlimited space at the moment on the sd card

so there is a priority

[digital mauve]

It's a solid Qix clone.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/pineapple-cheesecake-dessert-cheesecake-pineapple-gif-26982870

[dire tree]

thats all you guys got is 2 games to add?

this list should be a lot longer

[digital mauve]

Virtua Fighter

[dire tree]

VF remix is on there

[digital mauve]

Yum.

Shining force and die hard arcade

Virtua cop

[dire tree]

was missing shining force

wouldnt a translated japan version be better

[sudden tusk]

Yep it’s easy to find the already patched iso though

[dire tree]

oh... i already had it

shining force 3 translation i dont have

[burnt matrix]

cheesecake?

[sudden tusk]

Ok than might as well grab Tempest 2000

It’s got a sweet techno soundtrack jah!

[dire tree]

isnt that on psx

[burnt matrix]

yah

[sudden tusk]

Better on Saturn

[dire tree]

cool

[burnt matrix]

is it really

[sudden tusk]

Si

[digital mauve]

House of the dead

[burnt matrix]

damn didn't know, that's cool

[sudden tusk]

I like the soundtrack a lot

Saturn is not as good as jaguar though

[polar geode]

Yep

[dire tree]

well we got no jotego jaguar yet

so sat urn it is

[mortal mist]

Jaguar has one drawback, there is no Virtual Hydlide

[digital mauve]

It's got AvP though

[dire tree]

00f

can you get red blood in HOTD?

Taco is so wrong

[digital mauve]

Saturn is good and having a Jaguar core would also be good.

[sudden tusk]

And stolen

As eloquent as ever

[burnt matrix]

I can send you original without the text

[dire tree]

alright guys what other reccomendations we got

[sudden tusk]

Nah it’s cool

[polar geode]

Oh but there is one

[dire tree]

jotego is planning a better one... unless plans changed

[sudden tusk]

Bulk slash

[dire tree]

the current one requires dual ram

i got bulk slash on there

[sudden tusk]

How bout bulk and skull slash

https://tenor.com/view/hello-bulk-skull-power-rangers-gif-11561994

[dire tree]

dont shit my timbers making me look up fake games

[trim nimbus]

Is powerslave and duke nukem 3d on the list? If nothing else you can get some fun out of the hidden death tank games

[dire tree]

no

[sudden tusk]

Mass destruction is good

[trim nimbus]

Pretty sure those aren’t on the psx versions.

[sudden tusk]

If you like tanks

[dire tree]

ill add powerslave but duke eh... its not the right engine

[digital mauve]

You could add doom to the list

[sudden tusk]

Now that’s a waste of space

[dire tree]

nah i got it on PC and AO486

[sudden tusk]

You should be playing it on 32x

[dire tree]

i got it on 32X also

[digital mauve]

Or 3DO

[sudden tusk]

The resurrection patch I trust

[dire tree]

32x hack is impressive

[trim nimbus]

I mention it for death tank zwei. Pretty fun multiplayer if you like those types of games.

[dire tree]

what has death tank on it?

[digital mauve]

Say what you like about 3DO Doom but it has the best soundtrack of all the Doom ports

[trim nimbus]

Powerslave has the original, duke has the sequel

[dire tree]

oh ok

interesting

[trim nimbus]

It goes up to something like 7 players.

[dire tree]

those 2 games are the only way to oplay them?

[trim nimbus]

Heh, seeing some rips to standalone with a Google search.

I wouldn’t consider them hi art, but fun for a consolized scorched earth party game.

[dire tree]

yea thats pretty cool

[burnt matrix]

my least favorite console port, honestly

[dire tree]

duke?

[burnt matrix]

yah

[dire tree]

genesis has to be worse

[burnt matrix]

forgot to specify lol

Oh HAH, sure

[dire tree]

lol

[trim nimbus]

Powerslave is interesting for the lighting. Pretty sure the Saturn did it better

[burnt matrix]

everyone says Powerslave is better on Saturn

it's like universal lol

[dire tree]

doesnt the powerslave steam PC have the saturn version?

[burnt matrix]

Mass Destruction is also better on Saturn, by like a whole 30 frames

[burnt matrix]

I dunno! I think the remake is some sort of ultra version built on the Saturn but it has pieces of all the other versions

[dire tree]

yea i forgot the details of it

[trim nimbus]

Well, I never had any reason to try it on the psx and going back to fps games pre dual stick is hard 😆

[dire tree]

ill add powerslave anyway

[sudden tusk]

Saturn version level design feels way more expansive than on psx , plus the Saturn version feels more like fps metroidvania vs the more straight forward ps1 levels and objectives

[burnt matrix]

I forgot I wanted to play that game on the Saturn core

[polar geode]

Isnt the PC version of Powerslave the best?

[sudden tusk]

Never played that one

[polar geode]

I dont think ao486 would run it very well, probably DOSbox though

[dire tree]

PC version is different

[sudden tusk]

I wonder if the pc version plays more like the ps1 or Saturn

[dire tree]

different enough to play bot

both

[mortal mist]

yes, it doesn't work very fast

[trim nimbus]

Another game that is moderately okay is three dirty dwarves

[supple vine]

I made it to the second world of Bug! today on the core. The game is quite difficult. The "(R)" version works great.

[dire tree]

updated list

what about japan wrestling there should be at least one good one

and golf and tennis game(s)

and some baseball... preferrably arcade style

[sudden tusk]

Oh yeah all Japan pro wrestling featuring virtua is neat

You can be the Japanese giant ghoulish looking dude

And it has a couple of characters from Vf

[dire tree]

Zen Nihon Pro Wres featuring Virtua (Japan) (Rev A)

thank God they featured Virtua

[trim nimbus]

There is an English patched fire pro wrestling game. Can’t comment to fun factor but that series is one of the more popular ones in Japan.

6 player as well

[dire tree]

am I missing any puzzlers

or chess

or good mahjong

[sudden tusk]

Did you have Baku Baku animal on there ?

[dire tree]

yea

[tawny forge]

@dire tree what about turning your game list into a google spreadsheet?

Would make updates easy

[digital mauve]

Wow, Gals Panic works great. Maybe one slight glitch when you first begin a round but not sure if that is there normally or not. Been a hot minute since I played this.

[digital mauve]

How many do they usually have?

I don't remember.

[tawny forge]

Two ICs

[digital mauve]

Ok, guess I will be alright.

[zinc vine]

dual ram is needed?

[tawny forge]

We now just need a proper memtest core that pushes the memory limits just like the Saturn core does so sellers can ensure compatibility before shipping

[mortal mist]

Nah it's about ram with 4 chips

[digital mauve]

What is a good game to test the limits of the ram? One that locks up with bad ram?

I got this stick when the 128mb stick first came around. Haven't had any issues yet.

[tawny forge]

@digital mauve test with Sega Rally, Radiant Silvergun and SFZ3. If audio doesn’t go off you’re good

[mortal mist]

People are having sound problems with version 2.4

[tawny forge]

I’m pretty sure a friend of mine has 2.5 and he’s facing issues

[digital mauve]

Thank you.

[mortal mist]

Surely it can happen there too

[alpine pagoda]

Have the same problems on a multisystem, not sure what ram version that would be classed as though.

[tawny forge]

That’s completely custom so we should just call it multisystem ram

[timid roost]

There is a fork that 4c (4ram chip sdram) works fine

[tawny forge]

I would avoid all sorts of forks though

[timid roost]

cas latency is the change

[mortal mist]

Where can I find this fork?

[digital mauve]

Next to the spoons.

[tawny forge]

I love how my two years old boy says “fork” 🤭

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sst-smackdown-fork-gizmocat-gizmo-gif-21268919

[tiny flare]

The cat is telling you to fork off

[mortal mist]

Definitely 🙂

[digital mauve]

Audio dropping in Sega Rally so I might have an issue.

Bummer.

Really amazing to see these games running on MiSTer though.

[tawny forge]

Yeah! This is the ram bandwidth issue some people are facing

[digital mauve]

I got another MiSTer in an arcade cabinet I will have to swap out the stick later and see what happens.

Radiant just freezes while loading

[sudden tusk]

That’s sad I’m sorry

I got the latest ram revision like a boss

[digital mauve]

I got antique ram. 😢

[wise brook]

when I realized the A-RAM was the source of my problems I went straight to a 3.0 module

£50 well spent imo

[digital mauve]

Really hoping my other stick is better but I am fairly certain I got it from eBay.

Otherwise I will just buy a new stick and toss this one in the box with my 32mb stick.

[pearl harbor]

But not as good as 3DO!

[tawny forge]

I suggest waiting for the core to stabilize more before throwing RAM in the drawer and buying new ram

[digital mauve]

Fair point.

[naive whale]

The smartest man in Wisconsin is obv @pearl harbor

[tiny flare]

Antonio Vilena 4C?

[wise brook]

yes, that's what I call it

[tiny flare]

Haha, yeah unfortunate, I really wish he’d stop selling it, or at least add a massive disclaimer to his store page…

[digital mauve]

I thought that 32mb stick was going to be all that I ever needed.

[kindred peak]

Whoa. Whoa. WHOA.

[digital mauve]

Another MiSTer club member from Wisconsin?

[polar geode]

[kindred peak]

Great. Now there's three of you. Hear that, @sudden tusk ?

[polar geode]

Can you pool your resources together and get him a computer that runs fightcade?

[kindred peak]

Can you build computers out of roadkill? Because they have a lot.

[tiny flare]

I refuse to believe he doesn’t have one, surely garbage ram hogging electron apps like discord take more resources to run than that

[digital mauve]

We multiply when you throw beer on us.

[kindred peak]

You all can have a MiSTer meetup at the Dells. 😁

[tiny flare]

A bunch of guys getting together and pulling out their MiSTers to play together huh? Sounds good to me

[open swan]

is this like someone fighting over whether pizza hut or dominos is better?

[polar geode]

You know Little Caesars is best

[sudden tusk]

Bring it on nerds !

[tiny flare]

I showed you my MiSTer, pls respond

[polar geode]

Are making a circle jerk joke? Oh, you

[tiny flare]

I would never

[sudden tusk]

Yeah bro I ain’t into that ..

[burnt matrix]

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-betrayal-on-levels-that-no-ones-ever-seen-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i-feel-so-betrayed-you-betrayed-me-youre-a-traitor-gif-1104170541869895970

[slow osprey]

just to confirm, are we back to using boot.rom for the core or still have to use boot.bin?

[burnt matrix]

We are back to boot.rom

[slow osprey]

great thank you

[burnt matrix]

My pleasure, excited for you to enjoy the Saturn core 🍻

[slow osprey]

Japan v1.01 still the best BIOS?

[burnt matrix]

No, Hi-Saturn or the No-region ones

[slow osprey]

oh ok

[ancient surge]

I personally used a hacked region free Hi-Saturn 1.02 BIOS.

[polar geode]

I use the hacked US/WW BIOS so it autoboots

[ancient surge]

Had no issues related to the BIOS

[burnt matrix]

I don’t use a bios because I am above such mortal needs

[slow osprey]

@polar geode may I dm you regarding that hack?

[polar geode]

Robby doesnt need to boot games, he grinds the CDs into a powder and snorts them

[polar geode]

Sure, DMs open

[burnt matrix]

It’s not an issue so please do not worry, but in the future don’t ask for copyrighted materials.

You didn’t technically since you asked to DM her lol.

[ancient surge]

Only the most vintage of games with huge detailed sprites.

[kindred peak]

Footage of @burnt matrix booting up his favorite game Bug!

[burnt matrix]

Bug! was pretty cool when you were a kid at toys r us and saw the Saturn for the first time at a demo kiosk

[kindred peak]

You'll get no Bug! hate from me. I'm launch day Saturn OG.

[polar geode]

I said it before, and Ill say it again

The only Bug game Ill play on Saturn is Super Tempo

[burnt matrix]

more like Super Tepid

[polar geode]

Thats an adult word Robby, Im impressed

[kindred peak]

Batty's favorite game is Mario Party 2.

[polar geode]

Lies, slander.

Everyone knows 10 is best.

[burnt matrix]

Remember when everyone loved the Sega Saturn and it had an awesome library of games?

I don’t.

[tawny forge]

[polar geode]

I had a virtual boy, but when I realized it was giving me brain cancer I traded it for a saturn. I dont regret this decision

[celest iris]

i just want to know how to mail srg some shitty ram for testing

[zinc vine]

@robby got the goods hes the connect

[naive whale]

I’m just gonna cut letters out of a magazine and mail you a letter at this point in time 🤣

[burnt matrix]

lol

[naive whale]

https://www.ransomizer.com

This could be some fun on discord lol

[burnt matrix]

lmao

[kindred peak]

Amazing.

[high bramble]

That probably would have been a good SEGA marketing campaign back in the day.

[pearl harbor]

Sorry @sudden tusk

[pearl harbor]

Why you gotta be dat way?

[dire tree]

in the 90s Saturn was looked down upon

it didnt last long and most games never came to the U.S.

PSX destroyed it

its much more appreciated now

I wonder if there is a way to get NetLink and SegaNet support

peer 2 peer

[pearl harbor]

It was rough being a Sega fan back then.

Though I admittedly was a fan of all the consoles.

[dire tree]

i got 3DO and my friend got Saturn

he got 32x and I got Sega CD

[pearl harbor]

My condolences to your friend.

[dire tree]

lol

yea we never played it really

he had 2 games

we didnt play much saturn either cause I only remember him having Panzer and Daytona

[pearl harbor]

For that generation, I had a 3DO first, then got an N64, then my PS1, and lastly my Saturn. I would have bought my Saturn sooner, but my friend got one on launch day, so I played it at his house a lot.

[dire tree]

i had like 20 games on 3DO

andn demo discs

I got 3DO, then PSX, then N64

[fallow surge]

I’ve never seen a Saturn irl

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jared-leto-young-kid-classic-cute-gif-3519852

[high bramble]

I got the 3DO first (when it was first released 😦 ), but got a Saturn later (Model 2). Wasn't thrilled witht he release of the Saturn, so I held off.

[pearl harbor]

I stupidly sold my 3DO eventually for $500, but I wish I hadn't...

[dire tree]

why? thats a good price

[fallow surge]

My whole area was nintendo into PlayStation into n64

[dire tree]

I traded my 3DO with all the games for a computer... but the computer was worse than the one I already had so it was pointless

[fallow surge]

I think me and maybe like 4 other kids I knew had a genesis at one point

[high bramble]

...unless you paid $700 for it like I did. 🤣

[dire tree]

yea but it was used so you got most back

unless you included a bunch of games

[pearl harbor]

I know, but it's the only console I ever sold. I know I could just buy a used one now, but it wouldn't be my 3DO!

[pearl harbor]

Oh I did.

[dire tree]

I got mine when it was half price

[high bramble]

Brother from another mother! 😄

[dire tree]

my dad would have never spent $700 on that lol

[high bramble]

Couldn't help myself. Walked into Electronics Boutique, saw it, and "Oooo... what's that?"

[dire tree]

yea it was amazing when it came out

[pearl harbor]

All we had was Crash'n Burn and the sampler CD!

[high bramble]

I had just joined the Air Force, had no other financial obligations. Why the hell not, eh? 😉

Crash'n Burn was actually fun.

[dire tree]

it is the a beautiful console too, the original

heavy duty

looks nice

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I always liked the way it looked.

[shrewd patrol]

I love the weird grey and indigo of the JP version

[dire tree]

I hope we get a 3DO core one day

[pearl harbor]

Loved watching that Mr. Freeze episode of Batman The Animated Series on it! And Two Stupid Dogs!

[high bramble]

I watched that so many times. 🤣

[dire tree]

what disc is that batman on?

[pearl harbor]

The Sampler CD

[high bramble]

The REAL Sampler CD

[dire tree]

oh

I think I had that

[high bramble]

Came with the Panasonic FZ-1, at least. Not sure about the FZ-10 or the Sanyo or Goldstar models.

[dire tree]

yea mine was fz-1 and came with a sampler

[pearl harbor]

I remember we also had a photo CD made with a bunch of our old photos on it, just to test it on the 3DO's photo CD capabilities.

[dire tree]

i guess I forgot it was on the disc or never watched it

[pearl harbor]

It was awesome back in the day to look at your photos on your TV!

[dire tree]

yea that was cool

[high bramble]

Seems really cheesy today, but back then, that was neat stuff.

[pearl harbor]

Poor @naive whale is missing out on all this 3DO talk!

[dire tree]

lol

I spent $70 for Way of the Warrior at Walmart

and you dont wanna know what I had to do for that 70 bucks

i had to sell my gameboy games... al ot of them

worst trade ever

[pearl harbor]

I played Way of the Warrior on a demo disc, so I avoided it!

[dire tree]

i liked the game at the time

it made me laugh

[pearl harbor]

Got me Super Turbo instead and bought the official Capcom 6 button controller for it.

[dire tree]

i had that capcom controller on 3do

i used it as my default

[high bramble]

Road Rash was by far my favorite game on the 3DO... but I had a lot of fun with Twisted with my brother and friends back then. Such a wacky game.

[pearl harbor]

I suppose we should probably take this into the 3DO thread at this point. 😅

[high bramble]

That one took me a long time to get used to... but once I did, it was so much better than anything else available.

[dire tree]

is road rash really the best version on 3DO compare3d to Saturn and PSX? The performance is probably the worst on 3DO

if we had a core with turbo option that wouldnt matter though

[polar geode]

Best version is Win95 I believe

[dire tree]

ah true

probably doesnt run good enough on AO486

yea it needs pentium so wont be playable

[high bramble]

...and the very first Need for Speed (3DO kicked off the franchise). That was fun.

[dire tree]

yea I played the hell oiut of NFS and Road Rash

[trim nimbus]

Maybe off topic (hope not) but I played a nfs demo from some cover disc on pc many years ago where you race through a north east small town in fall (I remember a small covered wooden bridge, and lots of leaves falling). Is that version on the Saturn?

[dire tree]

hmm

not sure but id be curious to know

wait I dont see Need For Speed in my saturn collection

I thought there was at least one of them on Saturn

[kindred peak]

Sounds like Hot Pursuit, but yeah... only the first NFS game was on Saturn.

[dire tree]

oh... must have a different name

[pearl harbor]

Road and Track Presents!

[dire tree]

Road & Track Presents - The Need for Speed (USA)

yea just found it

adding it to the sd card now

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokémon-anime-gif-17965372122653850255

[dire tree]

is it better on PSX?

[pearl harbor]

I've only ever played the 3DO and PS1 versions.

[dire tree]

probably better on ps1

[trim nimbus]

Hot pursuit is definitely too new, this would have been 94ish…hmm that would have to be the original then according to wiki

[pearl harbor]

If it was 94, then yeah it would have to be the original.

[trim nimbus]

My sense of time might be messed up though oh well, worst case is I have an excuse to boot up the Saturn version on the core

[dire tree]

lol

[hard mountain]

so how mature is the Saturn core now? I've been waiting to get into it, as I'm not that familiar with Saturn games (so I might not be able to tell if something is a core limitation)

is it like the N64 core, where many things work but it is far from done?

[dire tree]

pretty much

just has audio issues alot of times

or half the time

its worth getting into now

although no CHD support yet

so you dont wanna load up a full set

you wanna temporarily curate a list of games

[ancient surge]

Majority of games are at least in a playable state. Some games still don't work, and there are still miscellaneous issues, but in most cases you should be able to play the game.

[topaz cairn]

Thanks so much! Exactly what I was looking for. Is there a .bin file available that allows the use of a 1st or 3rd party save backup carts?

[drifting frigate]

That I don't know. Like the Action Replay Plus or whatever? I haven't looked for them. Let me check my sources for bizhawk.

[naive whale]

Haha I fell asleep

[drifting frigate]

Though I'm guessing it won't work since the ROM area is readonly.

[dire tree]

we had a good 3DO talk

you missed it... Robert announced he is making a 3DO core in 2024

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, quick testing looks like it isn't compatible. Makes sense in this setup though. It doesn't load the boot loader for Action Replay when I try either, just reboots to system.

[topaz cairn]

Not necessarily the Action Replay, but the Innovation 8Meg memory cart or the Official Sega Backup RAM cart

[drifting frigate]

Doesn't matter, I don't think they're goingo to work as you can't add system RAM on the ROM image, just the rom data from what I'm seeing.

It's intended for pulling data for the games that need it. Not sure how implementation will go with adding writeback to it.

But currently it does not seem to work.

Someone may know more than me (undoubtedly a lot of people in this thread do), though. But that's what I'm interpreting.

[sharp mauve]

The Beautiful Game

[dire tree]

heh\

[pearl harbor]

Too cruel for words!

[errant prawn]

I've been out of the loop too long about the sega saturn dev and I am srg patreon....

But

Are we to a point where a decent chunk of games are able to be completed?

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, there are quite a few that are completeable.

Especially since save support was added. It opened up a lot of games.

[hard mountain]

nice.I saw some videos of the core and many games have smooth 2d graphics ... makes me want to try it

Ive only ever played a handful of Sega titles like Daytona and VF on the Saturn