Sega Saturn

[wet hull]

Good

[tall radish]

What kinds of sound issues were you getting, if any?

[tawny forge]

Zero sound issues

[amber lichen]

time for another video

[naive whale]

starting work now. See you at 4 CST

[ancient surge]

Grandia still has issues with the FMV being broken though.

[undone oyster]

Street Fighter Collection is working

[zinc vine]

new fixes?

[amber lichen]

@fuzz coolbeans ty for checking

[undone oyster]

You are welcome

[burnt matrix]

PS1 Grandia > Saturn Grandia

lol

PS1 Mass Destruction > Saturn Mass Destruction

[naive whale]

here goes nothing

[undone oyster]

It is not functional but the custom Web browser boot's now

[burnt matrix]

lol this is why you’re the best, who thinks to try the custom web browser

a consummate professional, that’s who

[naive whale]

Thunder Force V is go

[burnt matrix]

is that one good

[undone oyster]

Hahaha 🙂

[tawny forge]

Bug! is fixed

[zinc vine]

bugs works

[undone oyster]

If srg320 implements the modem cart it might just work

[naive whale]

Thunder Force V does drop audio in game eventually

[zinc vine]

i need that can of spray

[naive whale]

comes back when dead. Which happens a lot lol

[burnt matrix]

fascinating

I wonder what causes audio drops

[naive whale]

gets extra static then drops

seems like a conflict of some sort

and its resolved by dropping audio

[burnt matrix]

good observation

[zinc vine]

welp salamander 2 not working

[undone oyster]

Daytona and Sega Rally netlink versions are working

[naive whale]

Stage 2 of Thunder Force V didnt drop

seems like an issue when TOO MANY sound sources stack it can drop redbook

[burnt matrix]

I had Daytona CCE work for me on the last build. What changes does the net link Sega Rally bring other than internet play?

[undone oyster]

None as far as I am aware 😛

[naive whale]

Bug time

gonna spread the Bug love today

game deserves more credit

literally an extra vid a day this week lol

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/gox7-spray-paint-spray-diy-gif-18239820

[willow pawn]

Did someone try Pebble Beach Golf Links

[burnt matrix]

sounds like you volunteered yourself

[willow pawn]

Unfourtenatly I am lazy to convert

[burnt matrix]

lol that’s understandable, is it a cool golf game though?

[willow pawn]

It has Craig Stadler

[zinc vine]

its load

[naive whale]

Bug all good. Minus falling to my death twice in the same spot in a comical manner

[high bramble]

I was wondering the same thing. Out of all the things done, that one picqued my interest most of all. 😄

[naive whale]

suffering through Death Crimson next

[willow pawn]

Yes

[naive whale]

intro screen is fixed

[zinc vine]

i need salamander 2 to work

[naive whale]

sadly its still Death Crimson

[zinc vine]

black screen

[burnt matrix]

It’s a light gun game, right? Is it really that bad?

[naive whale]

so incredibly bad you cant even imagine

terribly broken on core...but its working perfectly lolol

thats how bad it is

[burnt matrix]

that’s incredible, I gotta try it

[naive whale]

its literally the absolute worst thing imaginable

so I love it in its own special way

Assault Rigs next

[zinc vine]

what game?

[burnt matrix]

Death Crimson, I hear it’s really good

hidden gem

[naive whale]

as good as a back alley root canal with no painkillers

[burnt matrix]

Recommended by popular YouTuber Video Game Erotica

[high bramble]

Buried treasure... in a cat litter box.

[naive whale]

Assault Rigs working well so far

works great so far

[burnt matrix]

Fun game?

I remember playing it when the PS1 launched

[naive whale]

lol no

fun idea. horrific controls

[zinc vine]

aint that a dreamcast game

[naive whale]

Thats Death Crimson OX

Dreamcast and NAOMI

[minor cipher]

the later Sega Rally revisions have 3D Control Pad support. analog steering/gas/brake

[naive whale]

sequel to Death Crimson on Saturn

[minor cipher]

however, the analog L/R stuff is not implemented in the core yet so you can't play sega rally that way on MiSTer just yet

[burnt matrix]

Oh that’s great, thanks for letting me know!

I got a 3D pad with SNAC though

[naive whale]

Battle Arena Toshinden Remix FMV works great. That used to freeze for me

[minor cipher]

ohhh SNAC might work!

you can't remap accel/brake to anything but L/R with a 3D Control Pad inserted in Sega Rally Netlink so you can't even get away with analog steering only XD

[naive whale]

VO in Battle Arena is also 100%

[minor cipher]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/issues/823

[naive whale]

Battle Arena Toshinden Remix is good

well...as good as that game is

[ripe valley]

Could someone check Groove on Fight ?
The backgrounds should be fixed, as it normally is the same bug as the portraits on Grandia.

[naive whale]

testing Rabbit now. Then to edit

Rabbit black screens

Saturn Bomberman Fight THEN edit

[minor cipher]

i hadn't seen anything about it so i assume this is not yet supported at all, but i'll ask anyway - Saturn Backup Memory can't be used on the core yet, right? I'm not sure if there are any other games like this, but Hexen in particular will only save to a memory card - it doesn't allow saving to the internal memory.

[naive whale]

Saturn Bomberman Fight is good

[minor cipher]

Hexen works pretty much flawlessly on the core afaict, btw. music/sfx/graphics, everything looks right

[zinc vine]

might sell my saturn and n64 lord

[ancient fractal]

tate mode actually works, it's the default yoko mode that are weirdly glitchy. but if you manage to enter options you can enable tate and then the game works pretty great

[naive whale]

@pearl harbor you want some Dragon Quest in this vid?

[thorn pagoda]

man srg320 is going hard on this core lately

feels like we could be approaching a real release

[analog totem]

wow another build

[naive whale]

change in Thunder Force V; the audio on level 1 didnt drop. Its in my headphones...at like near to silent

so it drops its volume to basically zero but not quite

[sick hare]

True

[visual grove]

Just think how far the core has come that you’re willing to wear headphones listening to it

[ripe valley]

@drifting frigate Is it possible to redo the change done earlier on the new version of the core for Rabbit, as I don't find easily what SV file you edited ?
Or maybe just say me the correct SV file I should check - and I'm will do some compile time later ?

[naive whale]

well I monitor the audio on studio monitors during capture but at a very low volume just in case

[tough star]

is it back to boot.bin? 😄

[visual grove]

Ah so no risk of head exploding in those early build days

[naive whale]

not sure. I just loaded the file per the standard the last couple months

does anyone know WTF the soundtrack for Assault Rigs is? It sounds maybe Native American and I dunno if I want to run that

[burnt matrix]

I don’t know if this is the case but I feel Robert’s recent successes with the N64 core is inspiring him.

A rising tide lifts all boats. I’m glad that everyone is riding this wave of excitement for the MiSTer.

[naive whale]

like sounds slightly like "might offend"

I cut the audio sample. Not worth it

[visual grove]

Sir you mean “indigenous people” or “first people”. I am offended

[naive whale]

lol and now you know why when given a question on content I always err on the "nope. Not for me" side of things

[visual grove]

And here you live in “Chicago”

[naive whale]

I get yelled at enough for saying CRT by some people which just confuses me

[polar geode]

You're a rising tide.

A low tide 😁

[visual grove]

https://chicagology.com/chicagoname/

“Stinky onion” “Skunk”

[naive whale]

to voice over

[tall radish]

Are we all still having delayed or disappearing audio issues for Radiant Silvergun on single RAM?

[burnt matrix]

It’s pronounced “kurt”

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-department-godzilla-singular-point-mei-kamino-mei-based-department-gif-22456619

[naive whale]

now its pronounced "tube tv" lol

[ripe valley]

No change on Groove on Fight, too bad.

[spare crag]

Outrun and Space harrier both now have music and sound effects. Outrun in particular is awesome with smooth 60fps mode. Well chuffed 👍

[polar geode]

Does Outrun display traffic yet?

[tawny forge]

Anyone facing sound regressions with new single ram build?

[spare crag]

Yup, cars, trucks and everything 😂

[polar geode]

Ooh

It wasnt before, for me at least

[spare crag]

Perfect from what I can tell. Just completed one route with no problems whatsoever

[polar geode]

60fps Outrun achieved!

[spare crag]

Correct 🙌

[tawny forge]

Wait, Outrun is zero issues now?

[spare crag]

Think so, single ram too

[thorn pagoda]

maybe its time for a serious compatability spreadsheet

[drifting frigate]

Thanks for checking!

Fisher Stevens!

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it's in Saturn, not Saturn_Mister. SCU.sv. I have a fork set up now, so I can just trigger it.

But I'll want to look at his changes first. I don't want to break anything.

Has anyone checked Rabbit on the new core?
It may work actually.

[naive whale]

did not

[drifting frigate]

I'm pretty sure the ISR is what was causing the error flag to not get removed during dma update

[naive whale]

I tested this morning. Black screen

[drifting frigate]

ok, dang.

[dire tree]

there is 2 cores from this morning

[thorn pagoda]

it could always be crashing for a different reason now

[drifting frigate]

True. Yeah, I'll look asap. But priority is getting footage for the core proper. SRG's work takes priority.

[polar geode]

Glad srg is confirmed well this week

[naive whale]

bug in thumb but I left him out of video lol

I just like him that much

[high bramble]

Noticed that too, which always makes me curious. It looks like they're both built from the same commits... just duplicated for some reason.

[dire tree]

hmm

[burnt matrix]

Haw haw the moment @naive whale completes a video another update comes out!!

[dire tree]

lol

[trim nimbus]

afterburner still no sound?

[dire tree]

karma

[trim nimbus]

tempest 2k ran slow then hung for me

single ram second core

[high bramble]

VGE:

[kind stump]

Lots of regression on this update, people might want to skip this one, I think its mostly with sound.

[dire tree]

shyte

as they would say in the UK

[high bramble]

Frak

[burnt matrix]

Which build? The one from earlier this morning or the recent one?

[dire tree]

Frak as they would say in Battlestar Galactica

[high bramble]

I think they're the same

[naive whale]

lol I cause the cores to happen. But I have a system to get the vids out. Uploading now for 4 PM CST

[kind stump]

The one from this morning seems a bit wonky to me, I think the previous version was a bit more stable. But i'm sure its something Sergey going to fix shortly

[dire tree]

I need a list of 10 bangers or so that work great... like bomberman

[warped cliff]

So this one is a skip? It really makes sense these builds are going under the unstable nightly channel. Saturn is quite unstable, and every build is hit or miss, emphasis on miss

[dire tree]

im updating my saturn collection but not gonna go all out until chd support

[burnt matrix]

I said eff it and went all out

[high bramble]

Wow! You must be rich!

[dire tree]

I just dont have the space to put a full collection of bin/cue. I could fit a lot more with chd

I have all the bin/cue zipped on an external though

[warped cliff]

So far I'm amazed by how much I can fit on a 32gb sdcard when I personally curate all games

[dire tree]

im just gonna put like 30 games on the SD card to test

i have 512gb but 100gb free

its not enough i need 4TB

[kindred peak]

As a reformed "full collection" person... don't. Gather as you go.

At least for CD systems

[dire tree]

I already gathered

[warped cliff]

I would just use a network drive if I need 4tb, or even 1tb

[dire tree]

ive been a full collection person for 20 years

i aint reforming

im getting a 4TB SSD to put in MiSTer Express, thats my end game plan

and only using zips and chds

[kindred peak]

I did an audit on my optical collections and realized I barely touched any of them in years.

[dire tree]

for me its about exploration and having them available

not that I am gonna play them all

but if I want to, its there and available

or if anyone else wants to

[kindred peak]

They're so easy to pull down on demand now, that I just grab new stuff when I want to play them. I keep a hundred or so on my server for each console.

[ripe valley]

Thank you for your indications.
I want to test a little bit on my side those changes and the new code from srg320.

[dire tree]

sure... but why would i do that then I can buy a $200 4TB drive and be done with it

and I dont know what I want to play, I browse and pick random things sometimes

or use a Russian Roulette

[kindred peak]

You don't have to take my advice. 😆

Sounds like you have your way already. All good.

[dire tree]

I think its fun to make a HTGDB out of PSX and Saturn

and even AO486, but thats a lot of work for that one

[tawny forge]

Whoa, there are two updates this morning!

Which one breaks audio? First or second?

[burnt matrix]

It’s ok, I’ll fight @dire tree in your stead

[dire tree]

nobody can change my full set mind-pattern

its a hobby of mine

[mortal mist]

These are the same cores, I don't know why they appeared twice

[burnt matrix]

bruh yeet that booty full collection, I ain’t tryna throw hands, just making sure your collection slaps, fr fr no cap. Hearing all that space wasted has me shook. You can go off bout ur hobby, but low key this flex ain’t it chief. You need that MiSTer drip. Bet? Yet yeet!

[polar geode]

You get the big cringe for that Robby

[dire tree]

lol

[burnt matrix]

deadass

[polar geode]

frt

[high bramble]

Did he just go downtown on dat ass?

[mortal mist]

I also think that the version 20230919 works better

[burnt matrix]

my other car is an FPGA

[polar geode]

Live, Laugh, FPGA

[burnt matrix]

holy shit I laughed out loud at that one, it’s beautiful

[polar geode]

Ill have a kitschy metal sign made for you

[drifting frigate]

Grandia fixed!! Nice!

[dire tree]

is Grandia better on PSX or Saturn?

[kindred peak]

The forbidden question 😆

[dire tree]

how come?

[hot siren]

Yes

[dire tree]

I only played a little of Grandia 2 on Dreamcast I think

[hot siren]

I think consensus is, that saturn is better, forgot the reasoning

[kindred peak]

An ancient internet debate. But short answer is yes.

[dire tree]

oh so they are close

[kindred peak]

General consensus is the Saturn was the target console, so it wins.

[dire tree]

both must have their ups and downs

sounds reasonable enough

[worthy helm]

everything 2d is better on saturn

[dire tree]

not castlevania

but thats probably the odd case

[polar geode]

The improvement patch helps a lot

[wooden dew]

Everything 2d that doesn't have transparency

[dire tree]

true

[wooden dew]

I'ma still play that Saturn SOTN for Maria mode

[tawny forge]

Easy mode

[tidal raptor]

Gotta make your 100th playthrough more interesting somehow

[drifting frigate]

And there ain't nuthin' wrong with that. <movin' on uuuup...>

[polar geode]

Maria mode in Saturn is the main reason to play IMO

[ancient surge]

Both are good and there isn't a wrong answer

sega saturn still better tho

[dire tree]

lol alright

[pearl harbor]

Whoo! Finally!

[sudden tusk]

I have a feeling shinning force III is not gonna freeze when casting a healing spell no moh…

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth! (and Dragon Force!)

[sudden tusk]

Not at home to test though 😦

[drifting frigate]

My test builds have ran and the artifacts are up. I haven't tested them yet.
[Edit] These no longer work, so his change in the DMA chain must have invalidated them. Or I've githubbed wrong, which is also a possibility.

[pearl harbor]

Have we ever gotten this many Saturn core updates over a short period of time like this? SRG is on a roll lately! And he's doing okay!

[naive whale]

you got Dragon Force. Vid is done

[ripe valley]

The build worked for me, but you have a screeching sound for a second when starting Rabbit.

I took the 3 repositories (srg320 ones) and just changed the two lines you mentioned and build manually.

[drifting frigate]

Merge squashed my build.yaml files. So they were pulling from srg320/Saturn.

I updated them. I'm trying to keep this all on github as it was pointed out distributing private builds is frowned upon.

And yes, I have a number of games that give me a weird screech or hiss when starting.

[ripe valley]

That's why I'm not sharing it at the moment, only for some tests.

[drifting frigate]

Not on my build specifically, but the greater builds.

Yeah

[ripe valley]

I just wanted to test, by pure curiosity.

[drifting frigate]

The latest github build (which will take a long time, I use free) should be good. Yep, that's why I made it originally too. Curiosity.

[frank crater]

I just ran into that running one previous core fuu

[drifting frigate]

Once someone smarter than me figures out why Rabbit is triggering a DMA error, then we'll be in business. The data coming back from the DMA array (not sure if it's A, B, or C as I don't know how to debug HDL beyond tapping signals) is not fitting in the range expected, but I have no idea what's actually coming back. SRG uses a flag and set pattern (smort) so it's getting set to ERR and not getting reset by a proper DMA read.

*or write. One of the two.

[ripe valley]

Thanks for explanation.

[drifting frigate]

Take it with a bunch of grains of salt. I'm like a totaly baby at all of this.

[ripe valley]

Gotta go now, I'm waiting some friends at home in 5'.
They will test the N64 and Saturn cores.

[mortal mist]

have fun!

[ancient fractal]

I decided to start playing MKR now that the core is in such a good place (first time since the game finally came out in English!).. I don't remember a glitch at the very start, but in Taflon by the Sea I noticed an interesting sprite glitch in one of the houses

[untold spear]

it was the shadows at the start. they were all glitchy

but now not at all

wasnt a big deal before. i just wanted to see if it changed

it did and i was pleasantly surprised

[ancient fractal]

I have very fond memories of this game.. such a nice vibe. Ah, now I remember one more thing I noticed, but I haven't verified if it's a glitch: When Mokona is jumping around the shadow always seem to be rendered too far down, so it never connects

But the core is in a really awesome place now.. It's incredible that srg320 has persevered to reach this point

[clear condor]

SH-2 controller mode, which allows normal controllers to be used in a weird alternate way, but also allows the Stunner to work

[dire tree]

I never got into RPGs so I look forward to trying them all now for fresh experiences

[clear condor]

actually the Stunner needs some other stuff as well - I tried to help, but it was complicated and scary

it'll probably take Sergiy five minutes

[drifting frigate]

DMA flags above 4bits are not implemented yet as well. But I don't think that's blocking much.

If anything.

[clear condor]

It doesn't sound like we're quiiite to the "make weird stuff work" part of this core's development yet

but it's getting tantalizingly close

[dire tree]

whats that game that has date in the title if anyone knows what im talking about

[drifting frigate]

Date like dating? Or date like 'uses the date?' Christmas Nights (Christmas is a date, right? Hehe) uses the internal clock for sure.

Or date like "the monkey died?"

[dire tree]

oh im thinking of a PSX Namco arcade game

a puzzle where you move around girls bodies

I thought it was on Saturn

Magical Date - Doki Doki Kokuhaku Daisakusen (Japan)

no wait thats the wrong game

Dancing Eyes

[drifting frigate]

"A puzzle where you move around girls bodies" is just a crime spree.

[dire tree]

its called somethng else for psx

wikipedia only lists it as arcade

or im wrong and its not on psx

[mortal mist]

ok after two hours of test I have to admit that I was wrong , the new one works just as well as the previous one.

[drifting frigate]

So...rabbit hole... Dancing Eyes brought me to Dancing Eye Syndrome and now I'm invested in learning more.

[dire tree]

i thought there was something similar on saturn though is why i asked

google Montauk Project that might be a Saturn game

[drifting frigate]

OOOH, I saw this recently ... @naive whale was it on your channel?

[mortal mist]

There is no white screen in Sega Rally now

[dire tree]

sega rally... thats one i gotta put on the sd card

thanks for reminding me

im looking for some curated bangers

that work good in the core

[drifting frigate]

Looks like Gals Panic SS is...

[dire tree]

is that good?

[drifting frigate]

Sigh. Kaneko. I want DJ Boy arcade so bad.

[drifting frigate]

No idea, but it's listed as inpsiration for Dancing Eyes

[dire tree]

oh man... I first played DJ Boy in the arcade and that was like the first Genesis game I bought

then I traded a kid my DJ Boy for Altered Beast

good memories

[drifting frigate]

I imported it but my mom refused delivery (it was COD and I had the money, saved up for months). I still like it a lot. The arcade with Wolfman Jack, though... primo.

[dire tree]

id love DJ Boy Arcade Core also

i havent played it in a long time

maybe 30 years

arcade version

[drifting frigate]

I need to mame it just to capture some of that sound. Hehe.

There's an MSU-1 nobody needs. DJ Boy Genesis with arcade sound effects!

But I'd play it in a second!

[polar geode]

Dj boy arcade had Wolfman jack iirc?

[drifting frigate]

Yep

"DJ BOY ONNA ROLL!"

[pearl harbor]

Just tested it, and it does still freeze...

[drifting frigate]

Github Rabbit builds updated:
https://github.com/YLFAndy/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_DualSDRAM_unstable_20230922_163e56.rbf
https://github.com/YLFAndy/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230922_163e56.rbf

And verified.

[tidal raptor]

it uses arcade hardware that is psx based, but there is no home console port. There was a cancelled HD version in development for ps3 at one point though

Namco System 11 hardware

[frail token]

Based

[naive whale]

which game?

big wall o text and I couldnt find it lol

[drifting frigate]

Dancing Eyes, the PSX arcade board-only Quix in 3D game.

[pearl harbor]

So what you're saying is that you're looking for more Vivid Dolls action.

[drifting frigate]

I'm not. But someone is. Hehe.

And I'm all about getting views on videos of great folks.

[naive whale]

haha no. not mine

[trim nimbus]

@naive whale plenty of saturn games for you next video in this list 😉 https://segaretro.org/Category:Eroge

[dire tree]

he is too much of a wuss to talk about those

no ballz

[drifting frigate]

You're thinking of Pepsiman post vet visit.

[trim nimbus]

heh, for the self proclaimed biggest 3do fan on youtube, I don’t see any videos of Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties 😉
Where is the M2 port?

[dire tree]

3DO was the greatest console of our times

you cant deny that

[trim nimbus]

I am not denying anything, 3do was great for its time, only hampered by price and developer support

[wooden dew]

Is the compatibility tracking sheet actively updated?

[mortal mist]

nope

[dire tree]

it was good until saturn and psx

[drifting frigate]

And pack in controller.

Mushy mushy mushy

[dire tree]

im sad there is no core

and might never be one

[tall radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUWU1v3zvEE&t=1s

[drifting frigate]

Honestly, I only ever played a Goldstar. Was the Panasonic/other 3DO controller OK?

[trim nimbus]

depends on what you mean by “ok”

[dire tree]

they were decent

[trim nimbus]

it was passible for sure

[drifting frigate]

"Didn't feel like oatmeal in a fidgit cube"

Nice.

[dire tree]

i had no complaints at the time

but havent used one in many years

[trim nimbus]

it is a bit mushy, but mine is also 25ish years old now

problem with memory is what is current overwrites what is old 😄

there are modern options too now, I have a snes23do

[dire tree]

the d-pad was more like genesis

style

[drifting frigate]

I mean, it wasn't the CDi debaucle for sure. But I remember the thumb pad (never owned one, but I had a 'rich' friend - solidly middle class, I realize now) being ...squishy.

Like it moved around on top of the rubber a little.

[dire tree]

3DO blows away CDi

i dont remember CDi controller, though. I only really played it a few times in a kiosk

[drifting frigate]

Do you have a remote? Use it with chopsticks.

You've got the CDi controller.

[tawny forge]

😱

[drifting frigate]

Woweewowow! That's great news!

[mortal mist]

great news!

[drifting frigate]

For a number of reasons!

[tawny forge]

Soon™️

[dire tree]

sweet

[mortal mist]

2034 😄

[drifting frigate]

Zune™

[dire tree]

pretty sure he is safe when people are partying in the streets

[trim nimbus]

to keep things on topic, though, I do keep my saturn on the shelf above the 3do in terms of priority 😄

[dire tree]

can you guys recommend a few of the best saturn games that work good at the moment

[trim nimbus]

what types of games do you like?

[dire tree]

oh of course saturn is much better than 3DO

i like action, puzzle....

[mortal mist]

yes , Guardian Heroes, Nights, Sega Rally, Daytona, Virtua Fighters/Remix/2, Panzer Dragoon 1/2

[dire tree]

arcade

[tawny forge]

We need something like this for Saturn now. Anyone wants to start one curated list? https://gist.github.com/bootsector/e0cdd268b707a4ee69bac0f2db8e25d8

[dire tree]

oh guardian heroes and virtua fighters i forgot, thanks

[trim nimbus]

outrun for sure if you use todays core, it was the best way to play it for close to 15 years

[mortal mist]

Bulk Slash, Virtual On

[trim nimbus]

better than the dedicated mister core 😄

[dire tree]

i need the dual sticks for virtual on

[drifting frigate]

On a tangent, JT fixed the road line today on the arcade cores. Which is nice.

[dire tree]

the twin stick arcde stick

[trim nimbus]

I like keio flying squadron 2, it is mainly a platformer

[dire tree]

need to get a couple of those

oh yea forgot about keio

[trim nimbus]

radiant silvergun

[drifting frigate]

Hold until the hps2pad code has been updated a bit more. Right now a lot of the stick is dummy. Or wait for a SNAC build.

[dire tree]

true radiant silvergun

[trim nimbus]

powerslave is on psx, but the saturn version is a bit different

bomberman and 9 friends is amazing

but I think the core can only support 6 max

power instinct 3 and (controversial) golden axe the dual

back to games in your genres, no one mentioned astal yet

nights into dreams is considered action?

[mortal mist]

works great 🙂

great game ehhh

so many great titles

[trim nimbus]

my problem is I used my saturn mainly for capcom/neogeo ports back when it was released, but those are probably better off on their original systems other than street fighter zero 3 with the addition of the reverse dramatic battle

[dire tree]

sega rally
panzer
panzer 2
daytona usa
daytona usa circuit edition (japan)
decathlete
deep fear
die hard arcade
digital pinball: necronomicon
last gladiators
guardian heroes
virtua fighter
virtua fighter 2
virtua fighter remix
fighters megamix
keio flying squadron 2
radiant silvergun```

[amber lichen]

street fighter collection still freeze on intro screen for me

[dire tree]

whats missing

[trim nimbus]

panzer saga is definitely missing and dragon force

[dire tree]

oh panzer saga is alread on the sd card

ill add dragon force

[trim nimbus]

you can probably drop daytona usa and vf1 since you have the updated versions on the list as well?

[dire tree]

oh remix is vf1?

[trim nimbus]

die hard trilogy to go along with arcade

[dire tree]

isnt trilogy better on psx

[trim nimbus]

remix is better vf1, yes

[dire tree]

alright

[trim nimbus]

oh, what is that middle eastern styled game

it is a followup to a game on the genesis

that one is really good

[dire tree]

Taliban 911 EX?

[wise brook]

wild

[dire tree]

for outrun?

[trim nimbus]

Legend of Oasis!

[dire tree]

ah... the sequel to that genesis game

or remake?

[trim nimbus]

its a sequel

[wise brook]

of all the games I threw at the core only Tactics Ogre, both Japanese and English fan-translation refused to progress past the license screen

[trim nimbus]

hmm, the bulk slash group released a new fan translation of galactic attack, so that is probably worth it

wait, not galactic attack, what is the game….it is a remake of the 32x game

[wise brook]

Stellar Assault

[dire tree]

alright

[trim nimbus]

and since there isn’t a core for it, elevator action returns is one of my favorite arcade games

[dire tree]

oh yea... nice pick

great game

[trim nimbus]

saturn core makes me wish 8bitdo would have made a version of the neogeo cd pad with 6 face buttons

[wise brook]

for now the old ps3 pdp versus pad is wonderful

[pearl harbor]

I just wish the sound bug would get fixed in the Saturn version on the core. That maniacal laughter when explosions happen weirds me out!

[mortal mist]

i love M30 pad

[trim nimbus]

I bought m30 pads, but with the genesis adapter

I need to get something that allows me to hook them up

haha, oh yeah, any time fire is going the high pitched screaming

[pearl harbor]

M30 is definitely very good for Saturn.

Got one of the newer white models and a black one.

[worthy helm]

m30 for sega cores, 8bitdo neo geo for neo geo and 8bitdo ultimate for all the rest

and the 8bitdo arcade stick when things get serious

[pearl harbor]

It's always serious in my domain!

[trim nimbus]

shameful admission: I bought a psx classic when they were like $15 to get the two usb controllers; that is what I used for the mister until my neogeo pads came in

[drifting frigate]

It makes me wish I'd bought a bunch of 3D pads when they were dirt cheap. I love that thing.

[worthy helm]

i played through sotn with a snac ps2 controller

[trim nimbus]

oh yeah, I have one saturn 3d pad that I bought on close out that is still sitting in a closet somewhere unopened

[worthy helm]

the saturn 3D pad is actually a very complicated controller that pioneered some stuff

i want one too

[trim nimbus]

well, to me, saturn 3d -> dreamcast -> duke

[worthy helm]

too bad RETRO BIT stopped their development of their clone

[trim nimbus]

and the duke was the first controller (in my opinion) to “get it right”

[worthy helm]

i have the 8bitdo Ultimate BT which has Hall effect sticks so yeah

never had any xbox stuff nor had any interest in it

[subtle tusk]

Is CD audio on the current core bugged or is it just me?

[trim nimbus]

original xbox was incredible, it followed in segas footsteps

[worthy helm]

same here but improved audio on all roms

yes og xbox was special

man i wish i had the money at that time to buy the crystal clear limited edition Panzer Dragoon Horta XBOX

[trim nimbus]

didn’t hurt that sega released a bunch of games for it…orta looked incredible for the time, and I will die on the “Gunvalkyrie was a great game” hill

[dire tree]

i have some official USB Saturn pads

they are from the Windows XP era

only released in Japan I think

[polar geode]

I was going to ask if they were from that proprietary saturn video card from the late 90s but I think that used regular stock saturn pads

[dire tree]

they were made for windows XP.... although an all white one was released bundled with puyo puyo for apple I think

https://segaretro.org/Fukkokuban_Sega_Saturn_Control_Pad

well any computer with USB

its slightly improved over official console pads with the L and R button

[trim nimbus]

I bought some retro bit saturn controllers, I think they might have actually come with usb adapters too, but I have no idea where I stashed them in my last move

[dire tree]

but that also means you cant replace the L and R clicky button if it wears out

cause only official console version has parts on console5 to buy... and i dont think they would work in these

[polar geode]

Interesting.. i wonder what their lag rating is

[dire tree]

other than that they are virtually identical to the console pads

yea im not sure about lag but its unnoticable

so its likely low]

im real sensitive to lag

i cant percieve any

I use super mario bros. jumping as a test

id use mike tyson in punch out but i never beat him

but if you are good at beating Tyson in Punch Out... if you can dodge his punches than the controller is good for lag

these controllers are too hard to get anyway so its not a viable option

ive never even seen the gold one

i saw pink a few times

and the all white

[zinc vine]

retrobit doesnt work on snac

[polar geode]

Im switching from the wired retrobit pad to an original saturn pad via daemonbite adapter soon

[dire tree]

better to get original controller over retrobit, unless you must have wireless

if you want an exact perfect d-pad... i assume the OG and Fukkakkuban are the best

and you can restore them with console5 rubber pads

[mortal mist]

Soni Jam works great 🙂

[ancient surge]

The latest build fixed the weird bug where Space Harrier was broken on the dual RAM build, so that is nice.

[tidal marsh]

I like the retrobit but the wireless one I bought broke almost immediately

Easier than tracking down old controllers and fixing them

[zinc vine]

i have the 2.4ghz

button feels cheap

[tidal marsh]

The wired feels cheap as hell but it works good

[mortal mist]

if someone likes vehicle combat then I recommend Gungriffon, it works great

[polar geode]

It's weird.. everybody says the wired retrobit Saturn pad is cheap, but I must have one from a good batch because besides no click noise from the shoulder buttons its been very close

[kindred peak]

Same. I own 4 wired and 4 2.4ghz. They feel pretty good.

[mortal mist]

yeah, it's not bad

but i prefer m30

[kindred peak]

Agreed.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, mine is garbage. But I've held one that's good. There's definitely a 'batch' issue.

Bad batch

[humble viper]

I can now get the core to load, and load the bios, but get a black screen when I try to load a game, anything I am still missing?

I have panzer dragoon, policenauts, and shining force 3

Policenauts used to work about 6 months ago

[zinc vine]

have you gotten the unstable mister

[humble viper]

Yes

[amber lichen]

can someone try sf collection?

[zinc vine]

it works

[amber lichen]

ok ty, mine just freezes

[humble viper]

Sometimes when I load the BIOS file it replays the intro thing but sometimes it does not

[zinc vine]

i tried this morning dualram

[amber lichen]

are yout using the redump set?

I got single ram

[humble viper]

Okay now I see a message that says CD BIOS not found

But I have loaded the bios in the menu

[zinc vine]

you have the latest build

boot.rom

[mortal mist]

change bios.bin to boot.rom

[humble viper]

Oh so we are back to rom now?

[amber lichen]

i didnt change to boot.rom let me try

[zinc vine]

yes

[humble viper]

Lol ok

Thanks

[amber lichen]

well i do have boot.rom

[humble viper]

So I don't have to load it through the menu anymore?

[misty raven]

it says "bios not found" even when the bios is found

[amber lichen]

Street Fighter Collection (USA)

2 discs

Street Fighter Alpha 2 (USA) doesnt start for me either

Street Fighter Zero 2 (Japan) - no go

[misty raven]

you do have to load it through the menu, it's fidgety

[humble viper]

Now when I start a game it loads up the boot.rom but still black screen

Hmm ok my menu says load bios.bin

[misty raven]

wait did an update just go out?

[humble viper]

I am on the 9/20 core

Let me try the one from today

[amber lichen]

Disc2 loaded last intro goes to main screen then stuck at now loading

[humble viper]

Hmmmmm I have bios.bin and boot.rom in folder and still get black screen, today's core

[zinc vine]

you got single sam or dual ram

[humble viper]

Single

[zinc vine]

try another game

hard reboot

[humble viper]

Well none of my 3 work

Is there a set that works better than others? I think panzer is redump but other two are translation patches

And I think I am just using the US BIOS

[zinc vine]

policenauts work for me single build core

have you set the region

[humble viper]

Yeah it worked for me on an older build

USA

[naive whale]

1 hour to Saturn vid

[zinc vine]

is the game usa or japan

[misty raven]

sometimes on rohacks region and bios need to be different

[humble viper]

Game is USA

[zinc vine]

i have region free bios

[humble viper]

Ah ok let me see if I can find that

[zinc vine]

i dont need to chage region for any games

[random shard]

And now a gundam game got translated

[zinc vine]

using single build it works

[random shard]

Amazing how much love the saturn is getting

[misty raven]

I'm using region-specific bios and I've needed to say load the japanese bios and set region to USA or the opposite for romhacks, depending on the way the hack handles things

[zinc vine]

some people games dont works because of the ram version according some people who posted here

[random shard]

If we get a translation for nanatsu kaze no Shima this year, then my life will be complete

[zinc vine]

all games work no change bios

[humble viper]

Hot dog

New bios fixed it

Tysm

[dire tree]

waiting for a 3rd daily core

[zinc vine]

probably the last core you get until next month or so

[dire tree]

yea I know

but you gotta believe

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-for-help-waiting-skeleton-gif-20459610

[dire tree]

im updating my saturn set

seems i skipped all the demo discs

so perfecting it... new dat file came out today

[zinc vine]

demooo, who needs demo

[dire tree]

someone with OCD collecting

[amber lichen]

@humble viper which bios did you use?

[humble viper]

Region free

[amber lichen]

ok I do have the RF hi 1.02

[humble viper]

Googled and found it on mmmonkey site

[dire tree]

make sure the cheksum matches

segaretro has them I think

[humble viper]

Lorraine.... ore no wife

[high bramble]

Is it back to expecting boot.bin instead of boot.rom again?

[mortal mist]

to boot.rom

boot.rom works fine again

[high bramble]

My bad. Typo.

Thanks.

[mortal mist]

when you use boot.rom the info about missing cd_bios.rom does not appear

[high bramble]

Right, noticed that yesterday.

[zinc vine]

probably using old build

[high bramble]

Thought I saw comments above about missing boot.bin, thought maybe that had changed again with this morning's builds.

[mortal mist]

fortunately it has been fixed 🙂

[high bramble]

Yeah, that was annoying for a while.

[naive whale]

five minutes till your hot dragon action @pearl harbor

[trim nimbus]

?

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/aLxoiZpm3os

get after it

[mortal mist]

Blazing Dragons 👍🏻

[amber lichen]

wohoo, Bug! a sight for sore eyes

[burnt matrix]

What were the big updates for today?

[sudden tusk]

Legend of oasis

[trim nimbus]

He said hot dragons, that’s the only Saturn game I know of with that title 😆

[naive whale]

Zero dislikes on my vid so I know you didn’t watch it to find out 😂

[drifting frigate]

Bug! (no jank needed now), Thunder Force 5, ugh... Death Crimson, but that's more of a drawback. He also lists True Pinball, Code R, and Sega Rally (just a background coler fix for Rally) but I haven't tried them yet.

[untold spear]

apparently grandia is fixed. i'm going to try it in a few

grandia opening cutscene still has issues for me

and freeze

[misty raven]

looks like Golden Axe: the Duel works now but no sound yet

[untold spear]

tried it again and made it past the cutscene

[fresh gale]

Real life Dragon Force horse btw

[untold spear]

less messy than before. playable. not ideal from what i'm getting. graphic pop ins of random junk sometimes

portraits are good now

[drifting frigate]

The sliced portraits are fixed. The FMV is still broken.

Ah, exactly.

Discord hadn't scrolled all the way down.

[untold spear]

the opening scene after the cutscene was slightly messy but it seemed to sort itself

just needed to figure out where to put the graphics is all..

just got a lil confused

ye

the city is perfect

[zinc vine]

single ram

[misty raven]

it works on dual?

[zinc vine]

on dual ram it works

[burnt matrix]

Yeah the video playback is wacky for me

[drifting frigate]

Yep, it's been like that for as long as it's been working on the core, AFAIK.

But the FMV used to completely crash it way back.

And then the in-game graphics had weird slicing. Non-poly sprites would have huge lines between them or be out of order. It's much better now.

[noble escarp]

I'm not following the core updates. And I've just tested the latest release. Wow! Impressive how well it's running a lot of games!

[drifting frigate]

Now all it needs (cough cough) is 3D pad analog triggers.... (cough).

Hehehe.

[noble escarp]

Yeah!

Tested some Daytona CCE here

[drifting frigate]

Noice!

Rally is just absolutely a blast to play. I enjoy myself every time.

[noble escarp]

Bomberman seems to be working perfectly

[burnt matrix]

Bug! works again so I think we can call this core done.

[zinc vine]

noooooooooooooooo

[drifting frigate]

As in "we're DONE here...DONE!"

[zinc vine]

i need salamander 2

[burnt matrix]

How about Bug Too! instead?

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-paint-a-boogie-wit-da-hoodie-king-of-my-city-song-spray-painting-spray-paint-pointing-at-the-camera-gif-22114069

[mortal mist]

it's been a really crazy week

satrun , n64 , so many good updates

[noble escarp]

Bomberman 10p level looks sharp on hdmi out. This migh be my new method to play bomberman when we get snac plus usb support

[amber lichen]

So bug has been squashed?

[noble escarp]

Indeed! I'm also testing n64 today. We are blessed by the amazing fpga developers

[zinc vine]

HELL YES

[glass aurora]

do the 3d triggers work on SNAC? or were you referring to reflex?

[drifting frigate]

They do work on SNAC (that build is currently behind though). But reflex and analog trigger USB controllers like 8BitDo Ultimate/Xbox/PS4/5 don't work.

The HPS controller currently doesn't take input from analog triggers. You can map them as digital. There's a request on MiSTer main which Sorgelig has commented 'will look into implementation' on so, that's a good sign for the future.

[untold spear]

the problems of wireless controllers.. was doing well in daytona, good race.. desync, my destiny is now to hit the wall

[drifting frigate]

Oh no! That's the worst!

[untold spear]

and i watch as it happens.. right before the finish line

[drifting frigate]

Every time.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-thisisanightmare-nightmare-tomhiddleston-gif-22275154

[untold spear]

its all right, it reconnected. and then i quit the race and rage quit the game. gotta get a longer cord...

[polar geode]

Working very well now, 60fps

[glass aurora]

that makes sense, thanks!

[drifting frigate]

NP! It's SOOO nice to have them in racing games. And the groundwork is needed to get twin mission stick emulation fully implemented as well. That brief moment where SNAC was caught up was glorious. Hehe.

[naive whale]

Lolol they exist

[pearl harbor]

I see he watched it now. 1 dislike!

[short shore]

Any update on how saturn outputs to CRT?

[pearl harbor]

I don't think so.

[noble escarp]

Image is still moved to the left side

[pearl harbor]

@naive whale said Dragon Quest in his video today when showing Dragon Force! Unforgiveable!

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/when-your-team-too-good-ban-salt-bae-gif-7580925

[noble escarp]

Nolbin did the smpc controller stuff on the core, right?

Theres any way to use analog trigger on the core? Can it map triggers from the rightstick of a physical controller?

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/gottagetone-stevebuscemi-want-bigdaddy-jealous-gif-4804889

[noble escarp]

@drifting frigate Any idea?

[drifting frigate]

You can't map it but I compiled with a hacked hps2pad.sv that mapped Y2 127-0 to R and -1 to -127 to L it and it mostly worked. @inner token taught me how to do a signal probe and we found that the analog triggers are not being polled at all. They only send a signal if mapped as a digital press in the MiSTer OSD.

To clarify, that's the HPS USB polling. SNAC, again, works great.

[noble escarp]

Asking cos if it worked with usb, I could output it on reflex in a compatible way 🙂

[drifting frigate]

The Reflex adapter uses your saturnlib, I believe @noble escarp and maps to Throttle/Brake for the 3D pad, not Z. But D-input map analog triggers to Z (per the Windows controller test)

Of course it only recorded the host window.

Of course.

Anyway, that's what I was trying to do in the hps2pad hack around. I was thinking 'why not just map as stick right/down during the stick assignment?' But it ends up crashing the entire joystick mapper module.

[naive whale]

Lol hard to keep ‘em straight

[polar geode]

You're a Saturn Lib.

....

May I join you please

[naive whale]

I’d love to know who this one consistent downvote is. @burnt matrix it’s getting a little petty 🤣

[polar geode]

And people wonder why youtube wants the dislike button results hidden

[burnt matrix]

I honestly don’t.

[drifting frigate]

You can see that the reflex adapter maps the 3DPad differently than d-input here. Excuse the terrible screen recordings, I had to quickly pull up OBS because gamebar was being a tool.

[noble escarp]

Oh. If it crashes mister the we are doomed!

When the core gets analog trigger support, we will adjust the output to be compatible

[drifting frigate]

Well, it might not if the output were mapped differently. The going theory is MiSTer expects 0,0 for stick center and an signed int range and the Z axis on D-input is a uint, so it's 255-0 rather than -127-127 (8).

[noble escarp]

Would be ideal to use full range for each trigger

[drifting frigate]

For sure. What's weird is it's already there, it's just not wired up quite right currently. Z1/Z2 pipe correctly. So X1, Y1 are the right stick, X2, Y2 are the (non-existent on 3DPad) left stick, and Z1/Z2 just have no input available from HPS.

[noble escarp]

Ie: single byte for each

[drifting frigate]

Yeah.

So I piped Y2 to them and it worked, but was hardly ideal.

And also didn't solve my 3D pad issue. Because that's really what I wanted to use. But it at least got analog gas/brake on a D-input twin stick controller.

SNAC was my savior in this case.

[naive whale]

Lol obviously I know you don’t

But it’s you! I know it

[inner token]

do you get any info on usb controller if you hook a cable to the uart port of mister and use like putty ? i can't remember

[drifting frigate]

No, we got nothing off of the triggers.

[noble escarp]

I can change the triggers to output on a single axis. This would help?

[drifting frigate]

Either from Reflex or from USB D-input

[drifting frigate]

Not currently because HPS doesn't seem to be capturing it.

[noble escarp]

Got it

[drifting frigate]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/issues/823

That's the FR I was talking about that Sorgelig responded to, so fingers crossed.

Once that's in, this should be pretty much just a quick code cleanup.

[inner token]

oh sorg might do it. maybe @warped saddle knows what's happening.

[noble escarp]

Have you ween how a wheel is maped on mister and how it works on the psx core?

[drifting frigate]

Alternatively, of course, once SNAC is built into the core so it builds every time, that also solves my own personal issue. But doesn't help most people who would be using 3DPad emulation via USB controller.

[delicate mantle]

Radient Silvergun is looking fantastic at 1440p on the Asus pro art.

[drifting frigate]

Selfishly though...

[drifting frigate]

Wheel maps a 1 axis 2 byte value I believe, using the QUIRK_WHEEL tag to account for it. But I believe it replaces X1 or X2 analog.

I'd have to crack it open again.

[noble escarp]

It does have full range on all axis

I'm using it to get the negcon working with full analog axis on ps1

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, looks like.

The 1 axis thing was from srg's hps2pad.sv translation for emulation.

(just remembering the comment he wrote)

[noble escarp]

Lol

[drifting frigate]

Might even be your comment from Lib.

Hehe.

[noble escarp]

This is on the saturn core?

[drifting frigate]

Yeah.

[noble escarp]

Satuen wheel is indeed a single axis

[drifting frigate]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/blob/master/rtl/hps2pad.sv

[noble escarp]

No analog gas and brake

[drifting frigate]

OK, so this is specifically parsing it for input emulation.

Yeah, that always seemed so odd. I thought I remembered reading in the docs (a while ago) that you could do paddles but had to use the extra controller info and it was all 'in the future'

But all games I've ever seen use digital gas/brake with a wheel. Because, as you said, that's the Saturn wheel.

SNAC is still my favorite way to play. I never played Rally before the core but now it's one of my favorite games. I'm terrible at it, but I'm a tiny bit less terrible with a SNAC 3D pad. Anecdotally.

[thorn pagoda]

i guess if the game supports it its better to map onto the 3d pad since it has more axis?

[drifting frigate]

I really missed out on a lot of Saturn games. My brother and I mostly plyaed RPGs and fighters.

[noble escarp]

Yeap!

[thorn pagoda]

we really need analog trigger support now too

[noble escarp]

One bizarre exception is the Need for Speed game, that only supports analog gas/brake when using a mission stick!

[thorn pagoda]

before it would of just been neat for negcon but the saturn 3d pad needs it more

[drifting frigate]

LOL, of course. There's always 'that one guy...'

[noble escarp]

So many "game over yeah" for you? 🙂

[drifting frigate]

Tons. But I enjoy every one.

[noble escarp]

The game is amazing ❤️

[thorn pagoda]

is there a 4th course to unlock in sega rally or anything?

i think my best place so far is 4th

[noble escarp]

Andy, if you have a PS2, there's a pretty good version of sega rally on it. Arcade port.

[noble escarp]

I don't think so.

[thorn pagoda]

i quite like the sega rallys on xbox360 too

they're different but still good

[noble escarp]

They are good too. But my fav is simply the first one

[thorn pagoda]

yeah same probably

i might prefer sega rally2 if there was a decent home port but the dreamcast version is eurgh

[drifting frigate]

OOH, I'll check it. I have a phat PS3 and it ... doesn't boot to stock, so to speak.

[noble escarp]

I've put rally 2 on my dedicated emulation pc. But I still need to put some time into playing it. When I power up that pc, I just go directly to Daytona 2 and Scud.

[drifting frigate]

@inner token do you have a fork for your SNAC work on Saturn or is that something to be kept private for now? I've never actually looked at the implementation. Just the Sega side with the pinouts and pulldowns and bitshifted values per pin. Never the MiSTer side of 'now turn that into signals on the wire.'

[noble escarp]

Would be so cool to have some "mister wheel" support on the core, just like on psx with its "wheel negcon" and "wheel analog".
Saturn could have "wheel" (digital gas/brake), "wheel 3dpad" (analog gas/brake), "wheel missionstick" (this one is just for the need for speed)

[thorn pagoda]

yes please 🙂

[drifting frigate]

Oh wow. yes.

[thorn pagoda]

its so cool that we have loads of racing games now on these new cores

it was kind of a missing genre before

[drifting frigate]

I just played V Rally on ... the other system.... and it was pretty good. No Sega Rally, not by a long shot. But pretty good. Moon physics when you hit a wall. But yeah, racing is getting some SERIOUS rep.

[noble escarp]

I'm all in for arcade racers

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, @naive whale got me hankering with his series on them. I want to try Batman and Fast and the Furious now, and I had no desire before.

[inner token]

No i haven't put it on github. It's still a mess, and wasn't even working with the core after all the usb options got added til the other day.

[thorn pagoda]

v-rally2 improved on the original signifcantly too

check out tour de europe / tour de africa (jpn exclusive) too

[drifting frigate]

Copy on both!

Is V-rally 2 GC?

[cursive tree]

Is X-men vs Street Fighter (any version) playable?

[polar geode]

CPS2 core runs it well

[thorn pagoda]

no its psx

a lot of the attraction of v-rally was its multiplayer too, i think it had 4p splitscreen

its on n64 too iirc

[drifting frigate]

Totally playable...but psychedelic colors.

Oh, I guess it does hang. Got through half a match....but legit, it looks TERRIBLE. The CPS2 core is the way currently.

[burnt matrix]

I need lightgun support!

Virtua Cop

[drifting frigate]

It's stubbed out. Currently it maps to digital. So you might be able to get a wiimote working with it.

[burnt matrix]

Huuuuuuuuh?

[tall radish]

I wish the sinden light gun worked on mister... such a bummer it does not.

[drifting frigate]

Oh, but it might not be selectable actually... right now though, it's no different to the core than a digital pad.. Rather than absolute coordinates.

Oh, don't go read the open issues thread.

A little over a week ago it got hot. Andy from Sinden showed up.

[tall radish]

tell me more!

[drifting frigate]

Though there's possibly still hope.

[tall radish]

last I knew he had just bought one.

[burnt matrix]

Open issues where

[drifting frigate]

Drama free version:
Sinden HAS developed a driver that does a one frame process when the trigger is pulled (this dramatically reduces overhead and doesn't add any overhead if you're not using a Sinden). So there's a chance it's going to be a private branch that they have to maintain cut off of MiSTer Main at some point.

[burnt matrix]

But why

[drifting frigate]

Github MiSTer devel

Well, that's the drama.

What's cool about it is it applies the border to the single frame the camera captures. At least, that's what it sounds like to me from the notes Andy wrote.

And the processing is only on that frame as well. I don't know how well

[wise brook]

I'm glad I took so long making my Lightgun decision.

I think I really lucked out with gun4ir

[pearl harbor]

Lies! 😆

[drifting frigate]

Obviously this doesn't really work for newer consoles that track the cursor constantly, I wouldn't think. But 16 bit and older that just do the screen read, it should work.

[tall radish]

the politics in mister, are really out of hand. Hopefully update_all will pull that updated fork.... That's like three forks now I have to deal with.

[burnt matrix]

There’s no politics though.

[tall radish]

but hope non the less.

[burnt matrix]

The guy who runs it said no.

[drifting frigate]

Right, that's the long and short of it.

[burnt matrix]

And he had good reasons to deny the request.

[drifting frigate]

It's an open project. Anyone can do what they want. But not MiSTer_Main.

So it's settled law.

[tall radish]

That's the one good thing about it.

[burnt matrix]

In an ocean of good things, yeah it’s a small part of it

[tall radish]

anyway thanks for the information. I'll move ont the topic.

[drifting frigate]

Keeping the linux side as clean and vanilla as possible is very important to the maintainability, so it totally makes sense to me as well. Yes, greedy me would love to use my Sinden on....well, anything. I have barely touched it apart from that Mad Dog McCree spiritual sequel by Troma. But the whole wheat side knows that this is how you run a ship.

[burnt matrix]

Oh my god a Mad Dog McCree by Troma is GENIUS

[drifting frigate]

(Also, there's a Mad Dog McCree spiritual sequel by Troma and it's...certainly a game)

If you like those games, it's 100% what you want (it was what I wanted).

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit I didn’t know that was a thing

[noble escarp]

Kaufman's Troma?

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, lemme find it.

[noble escarp]

👀

[pearl harbor]

I played Mad Dog McCree on my 3DO back in the day.

[tall radish]

I'd check it out for sure. Some light gun games hold up. Others do not. I've found singe2 with HD upgraded video has honestly been better for most FMV.

[drifting frigate]

Wavy Tube Man Chronicles.

And yes, Lloyd cameos. Because of course he does.

[tall radish]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2105024/

[drifting frigate]

Oh man, I am gonna be pissed if Windows uninstalled it. It may just not be registered with Xbox but it seems to no longer be in my library. I hate digital.

Oh good. It just isn't registerd as a game with the Xbox app.

How can you tell something is Troma? 1s and 5s and very little inbetween.

[noble escarp]

Nice!

So it's a DLC for the game?

Twisted Pixel Games likes to do this stuff.

A lot of cameos on the games

[drifting frigate]

No, it's standalone I think. Was there a modern release of actual Mad Dog?

[noble escarp]

Gunstringer is out only on x360, right?

"This DLC for the game The Gunstringer is Troma's take on Mad Dog McCree."

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhhhhh

[noble escarp]

I do have this game's disc. Need to see I can still get this dlc

It's still listed, and free! Yay!

https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Product/The-Wavy-Tube-Man-Chronicles/6d7654cc-13c1-4bb4-b857-6b3497eead3b

Thank you @drifting frigate ! How I missed this before?

[supple vine]

Bug! finally boots consistently!

[drifting frigate]

SRG did the Lord's (Robby's) work.

[tawny forge]

Latest unstable (single) seems very stable here

Running everything I throw at it flawlessly

[pearl harbor]

Robby spreading lies in the N64 thread! Acting like it's the best console of all time when we got Saturn right here!

[dire tree]

3DO is the best of all time

it the choice for a new generation

[polar geode]

Crystal Dynamics /=/ Crystal Pepsi

[vocal stirrup]

i have finally managed to get my Saturn core running reliably(previous version, not today's) but the screen being off center/inconsistent is driving me bonkers. i tried searching but couldnt find an answer so i think it just is what it is for now but is there a solution to this or am I still just waiting on a core-level fix?

[polar geode]

Core level fix, unless you own an RGB interface :)

[vocal stirrup]

RGB interace meaning frame scaler extron type thing? nope lol

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, CRT support/compatibility is usually taken care of last

[polar geode]

No, not a frame scaler. Just an RGB interface, like a 202rxi. It has H/V position shift knobs

[burnt matrix]

Mike has those YC builds, would that help?

[vocal stirrup]

oh, i'd not even considered one to be fair. are there any obvious drawbacks to them(loss of quality, etc)?

[polar geode]

I've never had any trouble. The folks in #crt can recommend a nice cheaper one for you

[vocal stirrup]

not sure, i'm on an Ironclad from 7th batch running rgb out of vga to bnc on an oev203. i assume the YC's are svideo?

[sudden tusk]

Shinning force III still freezing when you cast a healing spell..

MAJOR BUMMER!

[polar geode]

Y/C won't help any

[vocal stirrup]

just looked that up, pretty sure i have one of those kicking around in a closet at work from the old conference room systems back in the day. I'll have to see if it's close enough to do the job

[polar geode]

But yeah if you're using a CRT a little Extron RGB interface is a really nice thing to have

Ah good

[burnt matrix]

Maybe play a good game instead?

[vocal stirrup]

agreed, no real experience with these but im liking what i'm seeing, thanks for the tip

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/shining-shinning-bart-willie-simpsons-gif-24597982

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/birds-bird-getting-into-a-fight-you-wanna-go-cockatoo-gif-17352466

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-talk-eye-covered-gif-12451642

[burnt matrix]

Bug! Is a good game

[pearl harbor]

[burnt matrix]

Woah this game has awesome art!

I wonder what the gameplay is like

[pearl harbor]

It plays like Shining Force.

[burnt matrix]

Oh it’s a bunch of toddlers standing around

[pearl harbor]

Not fat baby enough for you?

[burnt matrix]

Why am I not surprised.

I assume all Saturn games are filled with fat babies now

[polar geode]

Its terrible, Robby. Delete the core and your bin/cues, and go back to #1096015979055697940

Save yourself now.

[pearl harbor]

He can go back and play War Gods on N64!

[sudden tusk]

This can’t be on the core

[polar geode]

"Gamefabrique"

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-youre-a-big-fat-phony-gif-11361132

[supple vine]

Astal works now!

[sudden tusk]

It’s been working for a while , level 2 did have some graphical glitches ..

[drifting frigate]

Is it not working for some people?

Or am I just not in on the joke?

[kind stump]

Was there regression in the audio in todays version? I thought something was a bit off when I tested

[drifting frigate]

Ah, it's working great for me but I have a save after the first battle.

Sound is good too. Single, I haven't tried it on dual yet.

Well, I hadn't healed yet, and that locked it up. As a spell. Other magic worked fine. But heal instantly froze the game.

[ancient surge]

Sounds like healing is tapping into a function that doesn't exist if it consistently crashes the game.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/who-knows-shrug-what-shades-on-idk-gif-15962763

I have beaten all shinnignforce games except III

[drifting frigate]

Unpopular opinion, but for me Shining in the Darkness > Shining Force
Totally the 'other' sequel to Phantasy Star in a lot of ways.

Apples to other, differenter apples though.

They're definitely scratch different itches than the other.

[pearl harbor]

Honestly, I agree when comparing it to the original Shining Force. Though I do feel that Shining Force II is better.

[trim nimbus]

Do wish sega would have continued phantasy star into the Saturn era though.

[drifting frigate]

SAME. Hard same. I mean, PSO on DC was neat. But .... it could have been a 2D feast.

[high bramble]

As long as they used PS4 as a base and built from that... and not skimp like they did with 2 and 3. Those were not finished products... but I still loved the hell out of them.

[trim nimbus]

2 was definitely finished, I skipped 3 though

A little too finished. Apparently a new employee got a little zealous in making the maps and they didn’t want to throw out their work. I remember getting stuck in those dungeons even with the guide that came with the us version.

[high bramble]

I never liked that every battle took place in an empty void with that blue grid. Even the first Phantasy Star had varied environmental backgrounds during each of the fights, depending on were you engaged in battle.

Oh, I definitely made use of that guide. Those dungeons were brutal for getting lost and backtracking.

[trim nimbus]

https://shmuplations.com/phantasystarii/

[high bramble]

I seem to remember an interview where that was mentioned... the battle screens were so plain and bland and empty of environmental background graphics because of serious time constraints.

Still one of my most beloved and most played Genesis titles back then. That cart never left my console for several months.

I do regret that PS4 was the only cart I never bought. When it was released, I had a really difficult time justifying the almost $100 price tag... so I never bought it. I first played it many years later on Kega Fusion. I felt so ashamed. 😄

[misty raven]

If I recall Shining in the Darkness is a real cool aesthetic matched with the most straight-ahead asinine dungeon grind imaginable.

Some real walk in a circle and grind out some xp for an hour shit.

[dusk orchid]

Wow, I had no idea PSIV was $100! Prices have been standardized for so long, we forget how wild of a time the 90s were.

[misty raven]

PSIV is a big boy

[drifting frigate]

True, but like I said, unpopular opinion. I loved it. The backtracking (pre internet) was part of the whole thing. The aesthetic was objectively unique and I really dug that, but I did like the gameplay as well.

But I like Phantasy Star better than II or III, personally. Also a backtrack fest. It's likely nostalgia driven, but yeah... I just love 'em.

[fallow surge]

geeze i dont check in for a day and all this progress is made. maybe i dont come back for a month and we celebrate official release?

[drifting frigate]

Maybe Dec 17th....Saturnalia.

</s>

[lucid needle]

Has anyone else tried Shienryu? The game scrolls the right way but all the game object are oriented horizontally for me 🙃

[marble laurel]

on the option you could change the orientation but not tried all cases to see one working with yoko orientation

[ancient fractal]

I’d guess Shienryū uses an unimplemented VDP feature to flip the screen from the native tate render into yoko.. as mentioned tate mode works

[burnt matrix]

If there’s tate and yoko. Does that mean Zaxxon is a naname shooter?

[polar geode]

....

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[marble laurel]

Maybe 👍

[modern dirge]

Hmmmmm….

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/09/sega-saturn-mini-could-become-a-reality-thanks-to-retron-fpga

[stiff patrol]

its a fake

[modern dirge]

Isn’t hyperkin the company that got in shit for stealing emulators and claiming them as their own?

[stiff patrol]

see #fpga-platforms

its just a mister in a box on display

[modern dirge]

Yeah that sounds like hyperkin

[earnest ginkgo]

Just to clarify, the latest core still throws up the "cd bios not found" error when booting a game correct?

[stiff patrol]

no thats been fixed

[wise brook]

^

[earnest ginkgo]

Hmm, I'm still getting it.

[tawny forge]

Rename boot.bin to boot.rom

[wise brook]

have you done the name change thing

[stiff patrol]

#unstable-nightlies message

[earnest ginkgo]

Ok, will do that now...back in a min

Perfect, that seems to have fixed it right up. Many thanks for the help!

[wise brook]

what ya playing first?

[earnest ginkgo]

Oh straight into Sega Rally there. Amazing progress, it feels flawless!

[tawny forge]

Core is almost there for sure

[high bramble]

I still cannot get audio to play on Sega Rally Championship at all... just very occasional blips and pops every so many reboots. The game otherwise runs beautifully with good performance. Was thinking maybe it was a limitation of the single-SDRAM build over optical audio out (on my MiSTer Multisystem), but other games seem to work just fine. Depending on the game, all 3 audio options in Debug stop/start the audio when toggled, so I'm guessing this is something specific to this game... or my rip of it.

[tawny forge]

Runs perfectly in my single run setup. And I’m one of those that used to get a white screen on that game

[wise brook]

heck yeah, use the netlink edition for the best most refined version

[high bramble]

I would get a white screen on previous builds for just a few seconds, then I would see the SEGA logo and it would proceed.

[minor cipher]

someone yesterday was asking if there was a 4th course in sega rally - there is, just need to finish mountain in first and then you get to try lake side... which is a brutal track!

[wise brook]

what ram ya got?

[high bramble]

That's the thing... it's the MiSTer Multisystem board, with SDRAM 'built-in'.

[wise brook]

well, you're up shit creek son

I had a ram problem myself

[minor cipher]

i had white screen in all versions of sega rally until i think the 9/19 build and now it works, but i get the same thing as MJY71, audio cuts out before too long

[wise brook]

had to swap out the Antonio RAM for some orthodox 3.0

[minor cipher]

my RAM is a single 128 from misteraddons from like... 2020? 2.4 probably

[high bramble]

Audio just never starts for me... no music, sound effects... nothing.

[minor cipher]

interesting

i get some audio but before long the music goes away and i just get SFX

[burnt matrix]

You must accept in your heart first for the core to work for you.

[wise brook]

In time I have no doubt that srg320 will be able to address these ram timing issues.

although he might need access to the daughterboard in question; which will be difficult as he lives in a literal war zone

[high bramble]

There's not really anything unique about the SDRAM that Heber used. They followed reference designs as closely as possible. I just don't know what 'version' it is, in the traditional sense.

[jagged quartz]

Just came to say... I've had a mister plus USB setup from Antonio villena, with his supplied ram, and have had nothing but issues. Just got a new 128 ram stick from mister add-ons, and so far problems have been eliminated.

[high bramble]

I could pop it out and install a different module, so that's always an option if it is the SDRAM module.

[wise brook]

I'd seek a return. unironically

[high bramble]

It just comes pre-attached to the main board for convenience.

[jagged quartz]

I've had it for a few years... back when he first offered it

[wise brook]

it doesn't look like they cheaped out on the components at all. just a slight difference in configuration could be the issue

[tawny forge]

Or track lengths

[wise brook]

^

[jagged quartz]

The only bad this is the mister add-ons ram doesn't quite fit right in the mister plus USB setup .. it's kinda wedged in there.... but it works

[tawny forge]

Capacitance is our enemy here

[jagged quartz]

Time to load my old USA bios... gotta hear that jingle

[high bramble]

memtest shows it's stable at 140 MHz for over an hour. Trying different rips of the game might yield better results. Worth a shot. Thanks! 🤷‍♂️

[tawny forge]

memtest historically fails to trigger edge cases that only some extreme cores do

[jagged quartz]

With my old AV ram, memtest couldnt be stable until 127 mhz...