Sega Saturn

[mortal mist]

time for Panzer Dragoon 🙂

[untold spear]

i will be.. once x6 is beaten

and so far, its actually beating me...

my will to continue wavers

[drifting frigate]

Anyone having any luck saving in Dragon Force? I get a 'no card present' but it seems like it SHOULD be able to save to internal memory (at about half the capacity, which is fine for the core since they all have different save states, but ouch back in the day!)

I've formatted memory before launching, verified auto save, etc. I haven't tried to save any other games in the newest two cares. I should give that a try.

[untold spear]

lemme try

[errant heart]

No, no music

[pearl harbor]

I was able to save fine in the game in previous cores. I'll have to try it again on the new core.

[drifting frigate]

This is my first playthrough. DFII I've saved in just fine.

[untold spear]

im not looking to play it right now so trying to rush through to the first save point, but man oh man

these npcs just won't stop

[drifting frigate]

Yep

That's the biggest reason I want a save.

Hehe. Not even for the campaign, just to be able to get fight footage without having to do the opening.

[drifting frigate]

Huh.

Weird. Maybe I have a bad rip.

[mortal mist]

sdram v 2.9 ? sd card, ssd , hdd or network ?

[untold spear]

lol trying to work from home, test games and brush cat at the same time. she demands i brush her

[mortal mist]

at my place it is 8pm 🙂

[drifting frigate]

Uploading RED Komodo footage to a colorist in Estonia, capturing footage, also petting a cat.

[mortal mist]

beer time and Panzer Dragoon 🙂

[inner kayak]

light patterns are in the video

[untold spear]

only 3pm here. i'll be going til 9. been working from home past month or so recovering from open appendectomy. its pretty much all healed now.. but ya know

[errant heart]

Not sure about RAM version, but running straight from a good SanDisk SD card

[untold spear]

max work from home i can take, i will take

[errant heart]

Both RAM modules were bought from MiSTerAddons

[mortal mist]

a long time ago ?

[errant heart]

One was a couple years ago, the other more recently

I'd have to take the case apart to figure out the versions

[pearl harbor]

Dragon Force is still saving fine on my end as well.

[errant heart]

Actually, maybe it's in my order history...

[pearl harbor]

Even deleted my old save and saved again and it still worked.

[mortal mist]

primary is the most important, maybe it is 2.4 , then you may have problems

[errant heart]

First module was bought Oct 2020

[untold spear]

it does seem like the recent updates were to try to get it more consistent. i wonder if that will improve, or if some ram types will just not be supported as well in the end

only time will tell

[errant heart]

Second was Mar 2022

Might just need to swap them over

[untold spear]

miracle it works on 1 ram

[mortal mist]

the first may be 2.5 , second 2.9

it's always worth trying to swap them out

[drifting frigate]

Do you have 4MB on? I'm seeing in the manual that Suspend has different actions. It's telling me I don't have a RAM cart inserted. Maybe I need to start the game with none selected? I have 4MB saved as default.

Testing now with it set to none.

See you all in 90 hours of dialog.

[zinc vine]

new core what got improve?

[willow pawn]

Rumble

[mortal mist]

nothing that can be seen

[drifting frigate]

For N64

[zinc vine]

probably n64

[drifting frigate]

But everything for Saturn is under the hood.

[willow pawn]

Oops

On Saturn its stability

Consistancy

[zinc vine]

does salamander 2 works?

[mortal mist]

because I'm starting to get confused, are you asking about today's change in SH for Saturn or about previous cores?

[willow pawn]

Yeah not the SH change

[mortal mist]

ok

[drifting frigate]

This is my first time with DF. Save == Archives. Versus Suspend/Resume. That's my issue. I have the durps. And have died from them.

So problem solved. It works fine.

[marble laurel]

Salamander 2 shows black screen but the 1st one works

[zinc vine]

thank you

[errant heart]

You're spot on, the original module is a 2.5 and the newer one is 2.9

[wheat citrus]

I put my 2.9 in my first slot and my 2.5 in my 2nd one

not sure if theres any point in doing that

[errant heart]

Mine are the other way round so I'm going to try swapping them

[wheat citrus]

so todays build is no different from yesterdays right?

[mortal mist]

nope

[zinc vine]

newer is 3.0

i check on misteraddon site

[mortal mist]

yeah, but if you have 2.9 you don;t need buy newer

[zinc vine]

oh ok

[wheat citrus]

tbh my 2nd slot being a 2.5 hasnt caused any issues afaik

[zinc vine]

i got 2.5/2.9

[mortal mist]

the primary slot is important

[zinc vine]

2.9 in the first slot and 2.5 second slot

[mortal mist]

yeah 🙂

[zinc vine]

i think you told me that while ago

[errant heart]

I think 3.0 is funtionally identical to 2.9 just with more ground connections

[mortal mist]

correct

[errant heart]

Ok, swapped. Let me go test it

[zinc vine]

it should work now

[wheat citrus]

only oddity on this core so far I am mostly seeing is the audio being either super quiet after a few minutes of playing or the audio just completely cutting out

im not on unstable if that matters

[kindred sundial]

How do I see what version ram type I have? Is it printed on the side? I built my Mister in early 2020 (February I believe). Don’t want to take apart my aluminum case if I don’t have to

[errant heart]

Yep, getting both music and engine sounds now 😄

[mortal mist]

great!! 🙂

[wheat citrus]

its on the modules themselves on the top edges

I checked mine yesterday

[high bramble]

I could physically pop mine out of the MMS, but I'd rather not. I'll just wait for the core to mature more.

[errant heart]

I have the aluminium case, I just removed the four top screws and took the top off. It's a little awkward to remove the RAM modules this way, but gently rocking them from side to side did the trick

Just be careful not to rock them too far or you'll start bending pins

[inner kayak]

No. The only things I scp over to the MiSTer are script updates (update_all, update_Saturn, update_N64), and game files

everything else I let the update scripts take care of

[ripe valley]

Okay!

[tall radish]

changed the line in the update script from boot.bin to boot.rom and it sees that the file exists.

[alpine pagoda]

MMS here too.... yeah, gonna wait for a while longer before doing that!

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I always have the 4MB turned on.

Ah, never mind, looks like you figured it out! 👍

Now get that Magic Knight Rayearth footage for bacon!

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, Words can mean two things. I'm an idiot.

[drifting frigate]

Sweet! I got him a capture about one hour and 40 minutes in before saves, but getting the whole game would be great.

I need to play it again.

[glossy vigil]

I just finished it a few weeks ago on the core, it was great!

Such a charming game.

[drifting frigate]

After beating the parents and going back to the house to get the special weapons I realized I was just playing tears in rain.

So save really makes it tempting.

[untold spear]

i wish i could test magic knight rayearth better

however the overwhelming amount of dialog at the start

its like xenosaga x3

just let me play

[kindred sundial]

I had a picture of my components pre build but the text is illegible in my pic. Oh well. Looks like it might say v2.5?

[prime hare]

I’ve played both versions, if that’s what your asking. The Saturn port is so much better.

[drowsy hull]

lacks the kusoge

[wheat citrus]

2.5 for sure

[drowsy hull]

it is fine, but there are many alternatives which are mote fine

[kindred sundial]

What is the issue with ram type currently? Some versions work better than others?

[drowsy hull]

who sells red ram?

[tall radish]

Ricardo is my go to for mister stuff. https://ultimatemister.com/

[kindred sundial]

I don’t remember who I bought it from. This was Jan or Feb of 2020

[high bramble]

Not all SDRAM modules are created equally. New revisions of the design address potential or verified issues with previous revisions. Then it's down to who assembled it. It could just be bad luck of the draw, etc.

[kindred sundial]

Ahh gotcha. Mine always did fine in memtest

[high bramble]

I think that's the current theory and general consensus so far... but not sure that anything's been proven or verified at this point.

Just seems a likely suspect.

[wheat citrus]

yeah I got my 2.5 (with my kit) and 2.9 afterwards from him

[high bramble]

Doesn't necessarily mean there's anything 'wrong' with the SDRAM module if you're having issues. Sometimes a new revision simply rearranges traces to make them shorter or make them all more similar in length, among other things. There's always a possibility where different trace lengths or capacitor values/placement could cause some edge case timing issues. That was the theory with one of Jotego's CPS cores quite a while back.

[inner kayak]

Ok, I did a repair on my SD card after updating and starting the Saturn core started giving me a black screen. I also ran the PC updater script on the SD card just in case. Put SD card@back in the MiSTer, still won’t boot — black screen with no HDMI output

[tall radish]

OUCH! Do you have a back up or another SDcard to try?

[tiny flare]

Did you update MiSTer main?

[inner kayak]

No, first time I’m hitting a problem like this. I only run updater scripts, I didn’t update anything manually

Is there a way to force the downloader script to refetch things, even if it’s already present in the card? @devout dawn

[tall radish]

Do you still have the 8GB sdcard that came with it. You could see if it boots.

[inner kayak]

I do still have that, and checked that first. How can I check if that still boots?

[tall radish]

turn off mister, put that sd card. Boot it up. Should show a linux prompt

[inner kayak]

With the PS3 controller connected via USB, I can see it activating as controller 1, then resetting again

[devout dawn]

Saturn is not being downloaded with Downloader, unless you set up some manual DB to do so. Are you using @tough star script for that?

[inner kayak]

yea, Vampier script

[devout dawn]

That one doesn't validate downloads afaik, so it could be a network error.

[inner kayak]

it kept working after that script ran and a reboot, this behavior started after trying to run Saturn core

[devout dawn]

So you got black screen for everything now?

Or just for the saturn core?

[untold lintel]

No, the actual arcade version. It’s like a completely different game

[inner kayak]

With only the de10 boot SD card, no HDMI output

[tall radish]

that's not a good sign.

[devout dawn]

That's bad yeah

I wonder if it's just the HDMI port, can you connect via ssh?

[inner kayak]

so weird, physically it hasn’t moved or been touched beyond the power switch for years

Good question, I’ll try that

[tall radish]

I would remove everything connected to your mister, including sdram and io boards. Oh good call, try another HDMI cable and port on tv/monitor. Also all things on USB.

[inner kayak]

but note that the PS3 controller over USB doesn’t initialize correctly

HDMI does get a handshake frame, my HDMI switch switches to it when I power it up. Just nothing gets displayed

[devout dawn]

I've heard people having problems with the HDMI port after hot unplugging/plugging it once, but not when it hasn't been touched at all.

[inner kayak]

A video showing the light patterns on the top

[tough star]

correct - but it only copies a new version to the destination when a download has completed

@inner kayak toss away the non working core and update again

[inner kayak]

It is no longer booting at all, no output over HDMI

[tawny forge]

@inner kayak do you have the original unformatted 8gb microsd that came with your de10 nano? In case you do you can try to boot it and see if Linux shows up on HDMI

Preferably without any addon or ram module plugged to the de10 nano

There might be an image for download on the terasic site for writing a microsd too

[inner kayak]

yes, that boot SD card is in there. I checked it for errors and none were detected. I could try reimaging the de10 card

[tawny forge]

I’m suggesting this because this was the first thing Terasic asked me to do when I needed their support once

[visual grove]

Got any CEC stuff hooked up to that tv?

[undone oyster]

Any changes with the SH update?

[visual grove]

Eg soundbar

[inner kayak]

but I’m curious why there are no lights on top when MiSTer SD card is removed, and there are lights when MiSTer SD card is inserted

[tawny forge]

No lights on corrupted sd is normal

[visual grove]

LEDs driven by mister framework, no sd no framework

[tawny forge]

Except for onboard de10 nano power led

[inner kayak]

Sort of, but nothing has changed in the chain in several years.

[visual grove]

Unplug other hdmi things

Plug in just mister

[inner kayak]

Ok, so does that meanxMiSTER framework is loading?

[visual grove]

And try again

[tawny forge]

No leds activity on io board = no mister framework loaded

[inner kayak]

right. but since the LEDs light up in the pattern shown in the video above, that means MiSTer framework is loading, right?

that would seem to show that the de10 boot SD is working and handing off to the MiSTer SD card bootstrap, right?

[drifting frigate]

That's off of the card that came with your DE10 nano, right?

So that's not MiSTer. That's Intel's preloaded FFT stuff.

[inner kayak]

video above shows when de10 card is in and MiSTer SD is in. When I take the MiSTer SD out, no lights on top at all.

[drifting frigate]

Ah, ok. My suggestion is the same. Get a fresh SD card, throw a fresh Mr. Fusion image on it with Etcher or similar. As a starting point. If you get nothing out of that, it's time to take apart hardware and remove pieces.

[inner kayak]

in case I’m not clear, there are two SD card slots.

[drifting frigate]

No

Only one boots. The one on the DE10 itself.

The expansion slot isn't for booting.

[inner kayak]

right. Ok, that’s my understanding:)

[drifting frigate]

So when troubleshooting just ignore the I/O slot entirely. I'm missing the part of the video with the original Terasic 8GB card, I guess.

[tall radish]

Bro we've given you the trouble shooting steps, and done so with compassion for your situation. Now it's up to you to follow those steps, and report what happens.

[inner kayak]

I wonder if I can stream in the Stage Chat…

Nope

[drifting frigate]

Lemme grab a little bit of info so I know 100% it's correct and then get back to you. Just so I know for sure what I'm saying is accurate right now.

[inner kayak]

Thanks, I'm appreciative 😄 I'm just trying to understand how to interpret the feedback the device is giving me at each step and attempting to be clear in my communications 🙂

[inner kayak]

original Terasic outputs nothing, and there's no external-facing lights that come on (besides Ethernet port, maybe)

[inner token]

?help-blackscreen

[idle vortex]

Having problems with your MiSTer? Seeing a black screen? Then try this:

1. Download the following files:
   https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Distribution_MiSTer/raw/main/menu.rbf
   https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Distribution_MiSTer/raw/main/MiSTer
2. Delete the files with the same name in /media/fat/ (or at the root of your MicroSD card if plugged into a PC).
3. Copy the two new ones to /media/fat (or the root of your MicroSD card if plugged into a PC).

That should resolve the issue. If the issue is still not resolved, try overwriting the Linux folder with the latest version:

1. Download the latest archive from here --> https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/SD-Installer-Win64_MiSTer
2. Unzip it to your PC.
3. Overwrite the Linux folder on the MiSTer (/media/fat/Linux/) with the Linux folder from the archive you unzipped.

[drifting frigate]

That's troubling.

[tall radish]

I get it. I would be devastated if my mister didn't boot. First thing is to try another sdcard. Remove extra boards, usb cables, and SDram. Try another hdmi cable and port on tv/monitor. Like one dude said. That's what terrasic will ask you to do if you contacted them. You gotta rule all of that out.

[tawny forge]

Everyone loosing audio on Street Fighter Zero 3, right?

[drifting frigate]

A fresh DE10 nano factory card, even with other hardware, should output this. If it's not, your problem is at the DE10 level (or a dying/dead attached device - troubleshooting should probably be stripped down the the nano itself) and you may need to contact Intel.

[inner token]

remove any power switch you may be using, someone had trouble with booting because of that a few days ago

[zinc vine]

audio alright from last build

[tawny forge]

Single or Double RAM?

[zinc vine]

double ram

[tawny forge]

I’m single ram and having audio issues with SFZ3

[inner kayak]

thanks, trying those steps now.

[drifting frigate]

They should totally get you working if it's just a corrupted MiSTer image. Fingers crossed.

[zinc vine]

which version of ram 2.5?

[inner kayak]

Nope, same as original video. if I try MrFusion, does it download to the second SD card after it boots? The docs make it sounds like it puts it all on the same SD card if boots from

[drifting frigate]

Ignore the second SD card.

It doesn't exist for troubleshooting.

This all needs to happen on the 'lower' SD card toward the back of the MiSTer.

[tall radish]

Dual ram. sound is good. Played one round against cammy, when does yours lose sound?

[tawny forge]

Right after the first match starts

[tawny forge]

Probably yeah

[tall radish]

arcade mode? That's what I tried

[tawny forge]

Yep

We need to see if it’s a single ram only thing

[drifting frigate]

@inner kayak - here's a rundown of the secondary SD card. If you're not using these cores, you're not using it at all. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki/Secondary-SD-card

So again, ignore it.

[tall radish]

If I run the single ram core it will only use one and not dual?

[drifting frigate]

(this is a bit out of date as x68000 doesn't require it anymore)

[zinc vine]

i read a few people here having the same issue as you using the same version of ram

[drifting frigate]

@inner kayak Also, let's move this to https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737505468670279710

[tawny forge]

Let’s see if anyone with newer ram faces the same with singlw ram core! Thanks!

[tall radish]

Single Ram core sound works for me. V2.9 ram

[tawny forge]

So CDDA audio doesn’t stop moments after the first fight begins for you? What bios?

[tall radish]

it runs fine with both single and dual ram cores.

Bios V-Saturn 1.01 (J) [!].bin I believe for japan

[drifting frigate]

Same, keeps playing fine for me. Single RAM 2.9, HiBios 1.03 (but I need to double check)

[tawny forge]

Can’t reproduce it anymore. Audio seems fine now. Oh well!

[drifting frigate]

Hah! Yeah, that's the way it always goes.

[tall radish]

haha, did you load it fresh or after another game was running?

[tawny forge]

I believe I did it fresh but I can’t be sure because of the beers 🤣

[mortal mist]

ok that's enough Saturn for tonight 😛 good night everyone

[tawny forge]

Night night @mortal mist

[tall radish]

All of my other games boot and run great. How ever I did find a regression. daimakaimura has an audio error and stops playing sound in the snes version. Then did lock up while hugging the princess. Tested Dual Ram V2.9

If anyone else wants to test and give feedback I would appreciate it. Thanks, and fun guys.

[drifting frigate]

Sure. Are there multiple collections, I forget? And if so, which one is it on?

Capcom Generations, right?

Thx! I'll check it out.

[tall radish]

Yes 2

it's the last one in the list. Same one as on the snes.

[drifting frigate]

How far in? I have a bug where I suck really bad at this game. Hehe.

Oh, I see the hug.

There's no shoot up. I forget that EVERY time.

[tall radish]

my sound went out and then it hangs. Were you able to get in game?

[naive whale]

There’s five on Saturn

[drifting frigate]

Yeah

[tall radish]

genesis version has a shoot up, but no double jump.

[drifting frigate]

No sound issues iether. Yep, I always get them confused.

I was never a G&G player.

[tall radish]

hmm. I better try again then. thanks.

[drifting frigate]

NP.

[drifting frigate]

It's daunting.

[tall radish]

and it;'s working. I think it was cause I didn't reload the core.

[drifting frigate]

The builds since the SDRAM refactor have really been flakey if you don't reboot, I've found. Makes marathoning captures tough. Hehe.

But it'll be worth it, surely.

[tall radish]

It seems slower than before too.

[naive whale]

So many. Not all as good as others

[tall radish]

but it is working.

[drowsy hull]

got to work for those ad revenue clicks

[drifting frigate]

Here's how mine runs. (CIFS, not SD, just so you know the full setup) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9MlZp5rQSk

Again, my gameplay is TERRIBAD. So....

I don't have any context for how it should run, personally. So hopefully this matches your experience.

[tall radish]

Yeah it's a little slow on yours too. I noticed you didn't get that freebie chest from the get go. It's a tough game. That's why I like it. only beat it once so far.

[drifting frigate]

Awesome! Consistancy is good!

[drowsy hull]

Ind the end, even with all that rebooting you'd still save time compared to an actual saturn and physical discs

[polar geode]

And TIL these compilations have arranged music tracks. Might come in handy for certain MSU-1 and MSU-MD/MD+ hacks.

[drifting frigate]

That would be awesome! I love MSU/MD+!

[naive whale]

I have the Saturn full set. Just no box. I dunno if they had a box for Saturn. They did for PS1

[tall radish]

When you see Mode 7 (saturn called it what?) and you threw two javs and the wolf/dog jumps at you. You can see it right there for sure.

[naive whale]

Wait that’s wrong. They both had a box. Misremembered

[drifting frigate]

All of my physical Saturn games are in various Xbox/PS1 CD binders. It's blasphemy. But also, I didn't have an actual Saturn until a few weeks ago.

[tall radish]

Double Switch actually runs right with out disabling a layer in it to get rid of gfx corruption. The core is all ready better than most emulators I have ever used.

[polar geode]

Is there any appreciable difference between Capcom Generations on PSX vs Saturn? Maybe some resolution limitations on Saturn version?

[tall radish]

Something about tate. I don't what that is. Then cropping is different.

[polar geode]

Ill have to do some testing myself

[naive whale]

Really good question. I have no clue. I got the Saturn versions back in the day just because they were cheaper

[tall radish]

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=37459

I bought both versions cause I didn't know what was better and I love the game to death.

right now, MSU1, restoration hack, turbo cpu owns. That's what I beat it on.

https://rumble.com/v3jdr8i-super-ghouls-n-ghosts-beaten.html

[polar geode]

Sounds like PSX versions are better except for Ghouls n Ghosts

[limpid wharf]

TL;DR on core update last night?

Any significant changes?

[tawny forge]

No significant changes

[inner kayak]

thanks to @drifting frigate , we isolated the problem to the SD card in the MiSTer (a genuine SanDisk 400GB). even though chkdsk reported it as fine, and I overwrote the MiSTer, menu.rbf, and linux dir with known good copies, the machine just won't boot off it anymore. Initializing a new SD card with Mr.Fusion and copying over games from the original SD card has everything back in working order. THe blinking order of the lights meant it was in a weird boot loop, is our best guess. Nothing to do with HDMI CEC, power supply, etc.

thanks to everyone who chipped in suggestions, I appreciate it!

[tall radish]

Awesome the first trouble shooting advice we gave you. Glad you got it fixed. Now go have fun!

[inner kayak]

was about to go upstairs and try Saturn games on the Arcade1up CounterCade MiSTer setup we have in my daughter's room XD

[tall radish]

You had another mister with an sdcard to try and didn't tell us?

We would have you had back up in and running in like 4m20s.

[drifting frigate]

Like....hehe...420.... have you ever done mister....ON SCHWEEEEED?

[tall radish]

It's always on schweeeed. Unless I'm just testing things out.

151 after 6 o clock. Cause I'm better than people who start drinking at 5. lol

[drifting frigate]

Literally just got this screen in a capture.

[inner kayak]

it has been foretold

[untold spear]

every time i see someone with a mister issue, it always seems to almost now be the de10. just how durable are these things

[manic mica]

Fwiw ive had the switches flip to different positions occasionally over the years without touching them. Never a bad idea to double check

[burnt matrix]

For the past year and a half I’ve been here it’s been mostly user error or just setup issues on their end. The de10s definitely aren’t perfect and they are fragile but its not as prevalent.

Other than breaking off the micro USB, hardware issues tend to stem from bad ram.

[untold spear]

its good to know they are pretty durable when all other things are good

[burnt matrix]

But to your point, if you’re someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing, it’s real easy to break a DE10 lol.

Bend a pin, break off a port, fry the thing with static electricity, etc.

[untold spear]

yeah i assume thats the case with anything like that

[untold spear]

the ports i'm always cautious about

namely hdmi..

[burnt matrix]

Yup that too. Half the reason why I bought a CEC stripper is so it just stays connected to the de10 and I plug stuff into it, reducing stress on the actual hdmi connection.

[inner kayak]

yea, the person who built mine told me to put it somewhere it won’t be jostled often

[polar geode]

Funny. Im actually looking forward to Laserbear's CEC restorer so I can have the MiSTer turn on and off with my C2

[tall radish]

I have two misters. One in a case. one in an arcade control panel. both work great still. Don't stress ports is my advice. Get extension cables or something.

[inner kayak]

having it come down to the SD card as the only major problem I’ve had in ~5 years isn’t bad at all IMO

[untold spear]

i do unhook hdmi often enough, put when i place it back in i use comical levels of care

[burnt matrix]

I think that’s really cool. The CEC stripper is for disabling it because the hdmi port isn’t built to spec and causes problems with other devices.

[untold spear]

few devices i've had the hdmi port just come loose very slightly and just stop working correctly

[inner kayak]

CEC only comes into play for me when there’s a full power failure and my Sony OLED come back on in the “wrong” order

[burnt matrix]

I would’ve bought a CEC restorer if it was available, haha

[burnt matrix]

I hate that lol

[polar geode]

Soon!

[inner kayak]

me too. I run the MiSTer through a near-zero latency HDMI switch (along with Analogue consoles) that goes directly into the TV (bypassing the Denon receiver)

More than the MiSTer, I’d love for the WiiDual to have decent CEC function

[polar geode]

Well, Im listening to the arranged tracks on the Capcom Generation 1-5 compilations sound rips.. it's a bit of a mixed bag. Not all of the soundtracks get arranged music, and those that do dont have the full soundtrack covered. Also some of these "arrangements" veer a little too far into remix territory IMO.

[drifting frigate]

I have a Seris X and a PS5 and they do NOT like playing well with CEC. The Denon receiver handling them is an idiot though. Legitimately it's one of my big tech regrets. 4K 120, but too early in that standard to be useful.

[pearl harbor]

Just last month I had that issue with mine, where it was that little fuse that went out on it. Luckily the amazing peeps here helped me figure it out and I was able to replace it to fix my MiSTer!

[burnt matrix]

That sucks, sorry to hear

[burnt matrix]

Oh my gosh, I missed that

I’m glad it’s fixed! What was the little fuse?

[untold spear]

not as bad as it sounds

[drifting frigate]

We heard tell of it today!

I wasn't even aware there were fused I/O boards.

[untold spear]

it was the retrocastle board that has an easy to replace fuse socket

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhhhh

[untold spear]

just need to pop a new one in

he even ships with a fuse in case it happens

[drifting frigate]

I like fuses on things. I actually envy British plugs. A lot. Partly because I've had too many shocks from US ones.

They're pretty great.

[untold spear]

spooky how it happened though

wasn't it doom 32x

[drifting frigate]

Oh? There's more to the story?

HAHAHAHA

[pearl harbor]

It was this.

[drifting frigate]

The Theater 4D experience for Doom.

[pearl harbor]

That's what I was testing when it happened. Doubt it was the actual cause though.

[polar geode]

Seems like volume 5 got most of the arrangements, which is of course the street fighter one

[polar geode]

Still goes with everything

[untold spear]

got a few boards and a couple extra sticks of ram laying around

just in case

[pearl harbor]

I bought 5 extra fuses just in case. Only cost $7, so they're dirt cheap.

[untold spear]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004408339175.html?gps-id=pcStoreJustForYou&scm=1007.23125.137358.0&scm_id=1007.23125.137358.0&scm-url=1007.23125.137358.0&pvid=f5855351-f483-43bb-b119-631684d5b878&_t=gps-id:pcStoreJustForYou,scm-url:1007.23125.137358.0,pvid:f5855351-f483-43bb-b119-631684d5b878,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238109%231935&pdp_npi=4%40dis!CAD!0.47!0.47!!!2.50!!%402101c5a716952559353058477e1b8c!12000029073803163!rec!CA!!ABS&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.smartJustForYou_6000995921049.12

[burnt matrix]

Worst case you can eat them like candy.

[pearl harbor]

I think you mean best case!

[untold spear]

retrocastle sells them for even cheaper

in case ya ever need more for some reason lol

[pearl harbor]

They're small enough that you could almost use them as sprinkles on a donut!

[next bronze]

I tried the latest unstable nightly and it seems to have added yc. It worked in composite, but it temporarily went to b/w a couple times (less than a second, but still happened).

[tall radish]

@tough star Need to change from boot.bin back to boot.rom for the bios in your script.

[tough star]

ffs

[high bramble]

And the FAQ, of course. 😉

[tough star]

I was waiting with the FAQ update till things got more stable

which is sounds like happened

[ripe dune]

Next release it'll go back to .bin

I hope.

[tough star]

updated

[ripe dune]

I just learned that one of the reasons .bin is used as a file format for Mega Drive / Genesis roms is because
those games belong in the garbage.

Nintendo 4 LIFE!

[burnt matrix]

LOL

you’re gonna be eaten alive

[thorn pagoda]

you can get really really far in resident evil on this core now

i ran into a bug that stopped me entering labs (last area of the game)

[polar geode]

That would mean every system that uses .bin (binary) as a file extension has to be composted.

Well shit, we'd better get started. Delete all those bin/cue rips first.

[ripe dune]

How dare you call out the fact that I didn't remotely think this through.

[graceful gorge]

CHD's for CHADS

[pearl harbor]

Not cool my dude. Not. Cool.

[quaint dove]

In the end only superior WOZ enjoyers on their apple ii will be left.

[polar geode]

... my Apple IIGS is not a WOZ signed model

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-booth-futurama-gif-2993468694121751372

[sudden tusk]

Wtf … you degenerate ! Get out of here!

[ripe dune]

well i'm convinced

[drifting frigate]

For @burnt matrix I wasted 10 minutes to show that Bug! is technically bootable on the current core.

With editing it was like 30.

I'm all caught up on bingeable TV.

[next bronze]

I should try Bug Too. Don't hear it mentioned as much as the first one.

[graceful gorge]

Looks more like a blow up dolly than polygons

[drifting frigate]

Last I checked, Bug! Too worked great.

I don't remember having any issues with getting into it.

[graceful gorge]

I never had a Saturn, is Bug a puzzle type game

[drifting frigate]

Platformer, but on a grid.

[graceful gorge]

So I am right in understanding that I can now rename BIOS to boot.rom not .bin now

[drifting frigate]

Yes, boot.rom is good and it autoloads when a cue is launched or when the core is rebooted.

[graceful gorge]

any recommendations on BIOS, I have been mainly using Hi Saturn 1.02

[tough star]

DAAAAYTOOOOOONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[zinc vine]

is there a trick to get bug to work

[drifting frigate]

Region free GameNavi Hi-Saturn 1.03 is my go to.

CRC C9881E3D

[graceful gorge]

Will try that have in pack

[drifting frigate]

Keep rebooting the core and press start as the newspaper starts to spin (after the Realtime and Sega Away Team bumpers). It can happen right away or take ages. That's what I'm doing in the video.

I don't know if there's an exact FRAME on which to hit start, but it feels like there is.

You'll know it worked if shortly after you press start there's a one frame blip of snow and previous video memory outside of the current vram area ... I think (in the video you can see a single frame with what looks like N64 portal in the frame buffer, which I was testing earlier).

[zinc vine]

yea i got it working

its time frame

[pearl harbor]

I should try Bug! too. I should also try Bug Too!

[drifting frigate]

I'd say have fun, but...it's Bug! so....

[zinc vine]

no bug

i need a spray

[drifting frigate]

Hehe.

[graceful gorge]

It is not a BUG it is a feature

[polar geode]

I like games with a good Tempo to them

[graceful gorge]

Have you tried Pandemonium

is also on PSX

But there was a Saturn of the first game

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it's really slow on the core currently. But works OK apart from that.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/tempo-sega-sega-saturn-gif-25898373

As funky as you wanna be ~

[drifting frigate]

"Why is my YouTube upload flagged for mature conOOOOOH."

[polar geode]

Shhh

Play Super Tempo

[lavish wadi]

Is this one region free?

[drifting frigate]

There's a region free version out there, yes.

If you check the CRC below that post you can check any region free pack you've found. Can't link here, but it's fairly easy to find.

[sharp dove]

[tall radish]

MrPete1985's link

[mortal mist]

I don't know if it's a good idea to post links here to sites that have bios....

[burnt matrix]

Sorry for removing the post but we need to be careful.

[limpid wharf]

@burnt matrix go to bed son

[burnt matrix]

got woken up by a kid and I can’t sleep 😭

[limpid wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

[tall radish]

i did not post any site link that has bios. i posted the link to the reddit post which there is another link in the comments....

[tall radish]

i did not post any site link that has bios. i posted the link to the reddit post which there is another link in the comments....

[quick sorrel]

Is it worse if it’s your own or a neighbors? 😜

[mortal mist]

leads to the same, the place where this bios is , it does not matter

[burnt matrix]

I know and you’re being considerate. I appreciate it. But with things like bios and roms we have to exercise a lot of caution. Sorry if it’s a bit overzealous but it’s to protect ourselves.

[tall radish]

no its not the same. sorry to be pendantic.
so i can't post any thread or post of any plattform who could have links in the comments which leads to roms or biosses? how should i know that in the first place?

[mortal mist]

I don't care , do what you want 🙂

[burnt matrix]

You wouldn’t know it. Which is completely fine. This isn’t a problem at all. Just for the future I’d avoid linking to anything that could directly provide access to copyrighted materials.

It seriously isn’t an issue. You meant well and again, appreciate it.

[tall radish]

again. how should i know that. if i post a link to an information that someone asks, do i need to read everything before posting it to be sure there is nothing bios or roms related?

[burnt matrix]

In this instance you knew and provided direct instructions to a commenter’s link. Which is why I had to take action.

In other instances, if there’s any doubt I’d avoid linking it.

You’re just being a nice guy helping someone out.

But we have to be very careful providing access to copyrighted materials here. I appreciate you understanding.

[mortal mist]

if I ever upload a link and there is something inappropriate in it I would like someone to point it out to me , I don't see a problem with that , I don't think this is malice ? maybe someone sees something I don't see ?

[burnt matrix]

I say this with genuine sincerity; if you disagree with my actions then you can reach out to the Admins. I report to them and the rules are their decisions. I would take zero offense, I just want you and everyone to be happy.

[lusty rapids]

oh man, wanting me to be happy is just gonna end in disappointment Robby

[tall radish]

no it's ok man. i was just trying to help e MiSTer user friend out.

would you guys recomend using the single or dual RAM core?

[mortal mist]

for me dualsdram works very well now

[tall radish]

i heard that some games run better with single though

[mortal mist]

after the last update works great

I think something will work better with one ram , and something will work better with two, we must wait for a stable core

for now it's hard to determine

But people are already starting to have similar results when testing games which makes me very happy

[tall radish]

me too. having the holy trinity of my gaming golden age is a dream come true.

[tawny forge]

How awesome is this little thing called MiSTer huh

[hollow glen]

saturn core is really fun to play around with atm

altho i am slowly realizing just how unique a 6-button controller with stick is ....

[turbid crescent]

DS here, the compatibility dramatically improved on latest. Finally able to enjoy sega Rally again.

People who couldn't enjoy the saturn before are in for a threat.

barelly tested, but Panzer Dragoon Saga seems to work fine now.

[polar geode]

The entire core development process on MiSTer reminds me of the emulation scene of every console when its emulation first started to get good. Its pretty fun.

[turbid crescent]

CPS2 decrypts by Raz...

[hollow glen]

is there anything to know about with file formats? do zips slow down loading?

[turbid crescent]

bin+cue is the one recomended AFAIK

the core doesn't support chds nor zip

[hollow glen]

ohh, i tested zip. it works but v slow

not recommended at all aha

[ancient surge]

We're definitely at that point where a lot of the SEGA Saturn games are in a playable state. There's only a handful of games that I can think of that don't work.

[polar geode]

Zakk has commented that CHD might be added soon, for now bin/cue

[turbid crescent]

great arcade ports that aren't available yet on mister. Saturn was a 2d powerhouse.

[high bramble]

Those were definitely a high point for me!

Favorite arcade platform.

[amber lichen]

Any advantage of using chd over bin/cue?

[mortal mist]

you will save more disk space

[high bramble]

With the Saturn core in its current state, none at all... because they are not supported (yet).

[burnt matrix]

Also your games will be in one convenient file instead of several. Especially handy for multitrack games.

[amber lichen]

I see thanks for info

[kindred peak]

"Winners don't use ISO files" - William S. Sessions, Director, FBI

[polar geode]

He passed away a few years ago. RIP

[kindred peak]

With the core this good already, I'm just going to burn all my Saturn consoles and games. I figure nobody wants them any longer.

[polar geode]

Well I mean you could sell them

[high bramble]

There were probably drugs that could have saved his life, but he refused. 😏

(too soon?)

[polar geode]

Oye vey XD

His daughter liked my respectful RIP tweet.. lol

[cursive tree]

Nights is broken with the latest update?

[mortal mist]

nope, works perfectly fine

[tawny forge]

Same here. Works fine. Single RAM.

[random shard]

Any fans of dungeon master here?

The saturn version just got translated

[amber lichen]

Well he probably didn't use ISO so he passed away?

[mortal mist]

Amiga version , yes 🙂

[random shard]

Try the saturn version

I beat the snes version with it's awesome soundtrack back in the day

[mortal mist]

I once tried but in Japanese

[minor cipher]

i'm curious, does saving to a ram cartridge work on the core yet? there are some games that don't want to save to internal and need a cart, like Hexen. i figured it probably just doesn't work yet but figured i'd ask

[kindred peak]

No, batty. Fire is the only answer. Purge the heretics.

[polar geode]

Heretic is a fine game, why would you burn it? Oye vey snart

[graceful vigil]

Before the .bin to .rom change I had been loading .cue's from a nas. Are we still able to do this? Seems like I'm unable to. Perhaps I missed something?

[polar geode]

"You know what really burns my ass?"

"... a flame about this high."

[polar geode]

I have a cifs share and am able to load bin/cues fine, if thats helpful.

[kindred peak]

It is fully too early for that level of dad joke.

[polar geode]

Oh, you

[graceful vigil]

Good to know. That's what I have, I'm getting a black screen on load. But, if I run the same cue of the sd boots. I'll keep tinkinker. In my saturn dir on the NAS are folders full of respective cue/bin's. in the parent saturn folder is the bios. Jive with your setup?

[polar geode]

Hm, as long as you have the bins and cues in their own separate folder for each game it should be fine. Make sure to use redump images, and double check your permissions on your NAS share

[burnt matrix]

Do you think if Saturn focused more on 3D games it would’ve been more popular?

[polar geode]

Well, in order for it to have been as viable as PSX for that the hardware would have needed to have been developed completely differently

[burnt matrix]

But games like VF2 looked amazing

[polar geode]

That were by Sega who knew the hardware in and out. The Saturn was not exactly the easiest system to develop for, by all accounts

[sullen sage]

Alguien ha probado satiator? Que tal va?

[ancient surge]

lol no

[burnt matrix]

Well why not?

[tall radish]

because they should have made the system simpler to programm

[kindred peak]

A lot has been said on Sega's decision to use quad rendering rather than triangle. With 3D being so primitive, they kind of backed the wrong horse. Plus didn't provide a great way for devs to easily go crossplatform.

While people squeezed a lot of things out of the Saturn, it came at great effort compared to the PSX.

[tall radish]

exactly

which is a pity. we never saw the full potential of the saturn.

[kindred peak]

So imo, it's not that they didn't focus enough on 3D. It's that they choose the wrong type of 3D, and did nothing to bridge the gap.

[acoustic sable]

And it was a swine to program, being three consoles in a trenchcoat.

[sharp mauve]

the saturn is the best console

[tall radish]

and they used basically 2x 32X chipsets instead of doing one beefy one.

Didn’t the Nintendo DS use quads too?

[sharp mauve]

this is a man's game

[burnt matrix]

Nope

[kindred peak]

DS could use quads, but why at that point? It cared more about vertexes

[sharp mauve]

that game makes me want to start smoking cigarettes

[wise brook]

I'm seeing a lot of wrong opinions about Saturn today.

sad

[waxen vortex]

Saturn is AWESOME

[drifting frigate]

Well, when he was adapted from Cronus much of the story changed so he fell in line with the agricultural nature of.....

oh

[waxen vortex]

My view on it back in the late 90's was very dim... But I grew to love it years later.

[ancient surge]

System was fucking dead on arrival because of a laundry list of bad business decisions.

[high bramble]

Whoa, hey now... that's a little too much truth for everyone to handle in here. 😏

[drifting frigate]

299

[high bramble]

thuglife.gif

[mortal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI

[pearl harbor]

You mean a fat baby!?

[pearl harbor]

https://youtu.be/BOHqG1nc_tw?si=s6bHTk06c_OpGUvK

[mortal mist]

it was a miracle that in Poland there was an official distributor of Sega Saturn (1996)

quite a few people I know , wondered what to choose

but PSX always won

[inner kayak]

So, something interesting happened after reinitializing MiSTer yesterday and copying over games directory.After running Saturn updater script, trying to start the core still causes a reboot of the system

[pearl harbor]

Did you check the folders to see if everything is where it should be after the update?

The script could be out of date since there have been new builds recently that changed things.

Though I admittedly have never used the script.

[tidal raptor]

https://fxtwitter.com/DRPGBook/status/1704711081414000841 another English patch just got released 🎉 although I haven't tried either the patch or the original game on the core so, hopefully it runs.

[mortal mist]

yeah, i will try it tonight 🙂

[stiff patrol]

do you have dual ram ?

because if you do you havent set the switches

see

https://misterfpga.co.uk/dual-sdram-mister-fpga/

[mortal mist]

can anyone check if they can hear the sounds in Die Hard Arcade ? for me only music can be heard

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I know, was just trying to encourage conversation. 🍻

[inner kayak]

Yes, and other dual ram cores are all working fine. I got the MiSTer with dual RAM ~5 years ago, nothing has changed with the physical setup beyond me changing the SD card yesterday

[stiff patrol]

have you checked the switches

multiple people have reported the crash and in every case so far its the switches

[pine bobcat]

In general, when there are differences in this core between memory modules (let's say 2.5 vs 2.9, or two of the same revision from different batches), will the memory test show any difference between them?
Or is the issue totally decoupled from max stable frequency

[stiff patrol]

my v2.9 clock at 150 in the memory test, my 2.5 at 144

[pine bobcat]

and is your 2.5 worse in terms of stability?

[stiff patrol]

I have it dual

so the 2.9 is primary and 2.5 secondary

but when I had it the other way around a few months ago it was less stable in the saturn core

I dont think its the version thats the issue just the speed it can clock to

[pine bobcat]

right, that's what I was trying to get at

[stiff patrol]

but generally 2.9 clock faster than 2,5

3.0 is the same as 2.9

[mortal mist]

my 2.9 is 147 🙂

[pine bobcat]

Wondering if you can quantify how well a module will perform from the mem test

[mortal mist]

second is 146

[pine bobcat]

I have a 2.4 here 😛

[stiff patrol]

My condolences !

[pine bobcat]

One of the first 128s from MisterAddons

[mortal mist]

I have a 2.4 and a 2.5 in my collection 😄

[pine bobcat]

I've been holding off on the Saturn core until public release

but wondering if the memtest will at least give me an idea of what I can expect

[warped cliff]

UMK3 looks so good on the latest core. it doesn't have the weird visual artifacts that it used to have

I think UMK3 on Saturn is the most polished MK3 port of all that are available on MiSTer

[umbral bluff]

x2 Hope it gets release this year (hopefully)

[mortal mist]

I still use 1.1 , after mod 🙂

32mb

[pine bobcat]

Still have my 1.1 too!
Just haven't modded it yet
Was considering for dual RAM in the Saturn, but seems like 2x 128 required now

[warped cliff]

srg320 is doing serious deep diving into the hardware it seems

[mortal mist]

nope, i use 2.9 and 1.1 🙂

[warped cliff]

there's nowhere near as much research into the Saturn as there is for N64 afaik

[pine bobcat]

Oh, someone said here recently that Saturn github now states 2 x 128

[mortal mist]

nah

works like a dream after last update

for me

From my tests , it seems that the most important is primary ram

in the second I tested 1.1 , 2.2 , 2.4 ,2.5 and 2.9

there was no difference

Hardware Requirements

128 MB SDRAM Module (Primary)
SDRAM Module of any size (32MB-128MB) (Secondary)

it's still up to date

[pine bobcat]

Thanks, good to know

[untold spear]

ah, looks like ill need a digital board after all then

but things are running so fine with 1

i wonder what games will have issues

without 2

oh that may have changed over time

the readme hasn't been updated in 10 months

[stiff patrol]

no it doesnt say dual ram required

Hardware Requirements

128 MB SDRAM Module (Primary)
SDRAM Module of any size (32MB-128MB) (Secondary)

Note: Dual SDRAM modules is recommended for better compatibility.

so no where does that state Dual Ram required

[analog totem]

Ah soo boot.bin is boot.rom again, eh? I guess that explains why my bios wasn’t auto booting when I tried last night

[untold spear]

never said it did require it. just that i was wondering what wouldnt be compatible

[stiff patrol]

no possible way to know as the core isnt finished

[untold spear]

👍

[stiff patrol]

But I wouldnt rush to buy unless you want dual ram

[analog totem]

we should get an exclusive dual ram channel (support group?) here where only verified dual ram owners are allowed…that way we can at least get access to something exclusive other than beta Jaguar

[stiff patrol]

PSX has a dual ram build

[analog totem]

yeah but the single rammers still get to enjoy the core too

[inner kayak]

so, all the dual RAM cores still work fine except for the Saturn one

[stiff patrol]

but did you check the switches

The new saturn core requires the dual ram is setup correctly to work

[tall radish]

Besides the loading, maybe

[tall radish]

Works for me

[stiff patrol]

works fine for me

[inner kayak]

CPS2.5 and other dual RAM cores all work, I've been testing and running memtest all morning

[stiff patrol]

doesnt matter

check the switches

CPS2 doesnt need dual ram

only the dual ram Jaguar and the Dual Ram PSX

exist

outside of the Saturn

Multiple people reported a crash on dual core saturn. In every case its down to the switches

it would take you minutes to check

[inner kayak]

ok. is there a guide with photos?

[stiff patrol]

https://misterfpga.co.uk/dual-sdram-mister-fpga/

[inner kayak]

did I mention that the Saturn core started fine on this same machine a week ago? It used to boot into the Saturn BIOS just fine

[stiff patrol]

I linked it hours ago

yes and the crashes only happen on the newest builds

after SRG changed the memory handler

[tall radish]

I heard Narc will require dual ram. Possibly MK1 if that ever gets worked on... Course UMK3 is what I want those most now.

[inner kayak]

ok, thanks! sorry for my being slow

[tiny flare]

The developer recently posted that they won’t be able to get Narc working at all on MiSTer, dual ram or no

[stiff patrol]

but thats likely political too as he will do it for MARS

but thats for #fpga-platforms

[stiff patrol]

Also memtest does not test dual ram at all. All it tests is the Primary slot

[tall radish]

thanks for the information. I was honestly just hoping the chips FPGA code would be useful to port UMK3. Kind of like I hope the n64 stuff helps with killer instinct 1.

[tall radish]

What the hell is CPS 2.5?

[tall radish]

Able?

[tall radish]

No

[stiff patrol]

yes

[drowsy hull]

maybe

[stiff patrol]

There is no Memtest for dual ram

There is a special build but its not releaseds

as it could cause damage to non dual ram setups

[tall radish]

That was just markering back in the day. The arcade board for KI1 has nothing in common with the N64 hardware.

[tiny flare]

Like @stiff patrol said, this a discussion for a different channel, but his exact words: #fpga-platforms message

[tall radish]

No, there is no dual ram test

[stiff patrol]

The released Mem Test core has no dual ram capability

BirdyBoy wrote one but its not released

you cannot currently test dual ram on the released mem test core

[tall radish]

Nope. This is about bringing narc to Mister or not. They where able, they just changed their minds because they are little divas who cant stand criticism.

[ripe dune]

Wow. We've got some opinions in this channel.

Everybody doing okay in here?

[tall radish]

I followed the discussion and it imwas embarrassing.

[ripe dune]

I'll take your word for it.

Is Bug! on Saturn?

Asking for a friend.

[tall radish]

Of course we are fine. Discussions are the spice of living.

[tiny flare]

Im not stating one way or the other lol, just reposting what was said, I honestly don’t care one bit about Narc, but yeah let’s keep discussion to that channel instead

[stiff patrol]

Narc talk is in #fpga-platforms not here

[ripe dune]

Hey. Please.

My Bug! question.

It's very important.

[tall radish]

Bug off

[stiff patrol]

Only way is boot it up and see !

[ripe dune]

I'll do that, thank you kind people.

I've heard Bug! is a masterpiece.

[tall radish]

Absolutely

You shouldn't play anything else anymore

[tiny flare]

On par with Virtual Hydlide I’m sure

[ripe dune]

Wow, you really like Bug!. And you seem like a really nice person. Now I'm extra excited.

[analog totem]

not to brag, but I own a physical (disc only) copy of Bug!

[ripe dune]

I'll be honest.

[analog totem]

sorry to make you all super jealous

[ripe dune]

That sounds like bragging.

[tiny flare]

I saw that lol, twice

[ripe dune]

typing on a stupid membrane keyboard, i hate it

[tall radish]

R4600 processor, damn. Well it's 100mhz cpu. Maybe there is still hope. =/

[burnt matrix]

Please, do not bring this issue up again. I understand your frustration but it's been discussed quite heavily and the core developer wants to be left alone. I do not want any negativity to come from this Discord towards their decision. I apologize for being heavy handed but please work with me here.

[tall radish]

It's my fault. I brought it up technically. Not knowing they scrapped it. I just knew it was going to use dual ram cause Lu said it on his video.

[tall radish]

I didn't start it. Just got up the discussion

[burnt matrix]

That is fine, it's no one's fault. No one is to blame. Let's just stop discussing it unless we plan on being pleasant about it.

[ripe dune]

Robby, everybody here is really nice. We were talking about Bug!.

[drifting frigate]

Well which is it? Are you being nice or are you talking about Bug!?

[polar geode]

I don't really agree with the decision to ban discussion of an arcade core, but ill comply

[ripe dune]

Y-yes?

[analog totem]

it seems fair to not talk about it in this channel at least

[ripe dune]

This is the Saturn channel, yes?

[stiff patrol]

Just to confirm when you say Dual Ram you are referring to 2 sticks of ram. And not a single Ram stick with 2 chips on it. The latter is not Dual Ram its single ram and no switches need to be set. If yopu have 2 ram sticks then the switches need to be set

[ripe dune]

I don't know a lot about Sega consoles, admittedly.

[drifting frigate]

I've played through the first few levels for core capture and it's better than I thought it was back in the wayback. Bug! Too is definitely more polished (and has better references....first level is Weevil Dead, ffs).

[ripe dune]

I first played the OG Sonic games on a GameCube...

[drowsy hull]

saturn has more rings than mars, argument finished

[tiny flare]

Got em

[burnt matrix]

I'm not banning discussion. I'm sorry it appears that way. The core developer has just publicly expressed having problems being vilified about his decision and I'm trying my best to curtail any negativity in this Discord towards that decision.

**EDIT: **I've said this before and I genuinely mean it. If you have problems with what I am doing then please speak to the Admins or Kitrinx directly. My goal here is to serve the community as a whole and if you feel I'm not doing so then let them know. I care more about doing a good job then my own feelings on this matter.

[ripe dune]

I've seen gameplay footage, but haven't actually spun it up! It does look...interesting. 😅 Just happy that MiSTer gives me a way to try it out!

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, and Bug! Too starts without tricks. Bug! requires WAY too much effort for the reward.

(Or it doesn't, if you get really lucky)

[inner kayak]

It looks like my second stick is/went bad, and somehow only Saturn tickles it into failure.

what's a reliable place to order a 128MB module in the US?

[drifting frigate]

MisterAddons

[ripe dune]

They've always treated me well, yeah.

[drifting frigate]

Though, honestly before going that road, I'd try removing the second stick, flipping the switch on the board back to single (they should all be on the same side for single, versus the one marked '3' flipped for dual), and using the single RAM build just to make sure it's all working.

[tiny flare]

Judging by the results posted here I’m not sure you will get more out of dual ram just yet anyway

[drifting frigate]

Exactly

[inner kayak]

fair enough!

[drifting frigate]

Are you 100% sure you have dual ram, btw? I noticed you switched your MiSTer on from a line switch, not from a side panel switch. Dual RAM is currently only installable in a digital I/O configuration, to my knowledge, and those usually have a power switch where the Sync on Green switch goes, so you don't need to use an inline power switch. I just want to make sure you're not off on a wild goose chase.

[high bramble]

You can leave the switch in the 'On' position and still control power from the outlet, right?

[drifting frigate]

You can, but I'm troubleshooting based on the fact you don't have to.

Because VERY SPECIFICALLY if you load dual ram Saturn on a single RAM mister, it reboots and that's the symptom.

[high bramble]

Ahh, gotcha

[drifting frigate]

Example

@inner kayak is this similar to what you're seeing?

Also he said his MiSTer is 6 years old. I don't know anybody who had dual ram back when MiSTer first started, so I just want to triple verify before he opens it up.

Also, the Aug 29 build and earlier would boot if you were on single RAM and ran dual RAM, it just ran like crap. So if he's been using dual ram builds it would have suddenly 'stopped working' even though it was the wrong build for a long time as of the SD rewrite.

[inner kayak]

I appreciate it, already opened it up. Looks like mismatched memory 128MB + 32MB, which normally wouldn't be a problem, but I know how sensitive this stuff can be -- especially these early dual RAM builds

[drifting frigate]

Here's the Aug 29 dual ram build on single RAM, in comparison with the video above of the reworked SD RAM builds post Sept 15. This SEEMS to really line up with your experience @inner kayak so I'm fairly confident you have a single RAM build and were installing the dual ram core. I know you only use scripts, but I highly recommend downloading this build: #unstable-nightlies message
putting it in your card under _Consoles/

That's not mismatched. That's fine. MiSTer uses memory over GPIO pins, so different sizes are fine.

[inner kayak]

using single SDRAM build works again

sorry for the confusion on my part here. I thought CPS 2.5 and some other early cores over the years required dual RAM, but either they didn't or it didn't tickle this problem

it's nice to know that there was a tweak on the Saturn side that made the problem reproducible

so sorry for the distraction, I appreciate everyone's help!

this explains why the BIOS screen was soooo slow, and why I could never get games to start as well

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, bailing on single stick in the dual build is a good thing, IMO. I'm really glad to see these timing changes/RAM cleanup. Also because it means srg is healthy.

[inner kayak]

absolutely. a miracle he and krikzz made it out.

I visited Kyiv a few times when I worked for LG, the engineers there were hardcore and gave me personal tours of the city. This was in ~2015, and they were telling me about how they fought the first Russian invasions as teens, showing me the remnants of those battles.

I took so many pictures of the city and the surrounding area, it has a totally different feeling than any other eastern european country I had been to.

Everything I took pictures of is gone.

[drifting frigate]

Ouch

[inner kayak]

again, sorry for al the noise

[drifting frigate]

All good, I'm glad you're up and playing!

[inner kayak]

Alien Trilogy started up 🙂 Super Tempo isn't, for some reason, but I'll keep fiddling tonight. Gotta pick up my kid and her friends for soccer practice now.

Thanks again everybody for the suggestions and patience!

[tall radish]

I loaded the dual ram core on my single mister and it worked with some games without any issues.

[tall radish]

Again, what is CPS2.5?

[untold spear]

i figure ive already got another 2.9 128 sitting around. if i need to, a digital board and case to support it wont be too bad

ill wait though

right now everything has been running so well im starting to wonder if the suggested ram for stability might change as the readme on the github is 10 months old

[hallow fossil]

Maybe a typo and should be CPS 1.5, which is what people sometimes refer to CPS Dash as

[drifting frigate]

Must be another MiSTer specific organic thing. I have two single rams and both rebooted with any DS Saturn build post the new SDRAM changes (so all the builds from Aug 28 and earlier boot, but anything newer reboots mine, and Matt's if using dual ram). It's all sorted though. He's good.

[tall radish]

Maybe the newer ones yes

[drifting frigate]

Specifically the newer ones. 8/29 and earlier work (but the menu is super slow)

[tall radish]

I'll try nmthe new one tomorrow

[drifting frigate]

Awesome, let me know how it goes!

[inner kayak]

Sorry, yes. I meant CPS 1.5. Early Patreon builds from Jotego required dual RAM IIRC

[frail token]

It's not too late to make it one

[high bramble]

Need to borrow a Sharpie?

[frail token]

Just saying the man ain't dead lol

[high bramble]

Ooooh... that too. 😉

[polar geode]

They werent actual signatures, just something printed on the case that looked like his signature lol

[high bramble]

Which means getting it signed by actual Woz will make it actually unique.

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-mutant-mayhem-tmnt-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-mutant-mayhem-sign-my-baby-famous-gif-14446932455369673591

(I forget who I made this for in the Discord...but it was appropriate)

[high bramble]

Besides the case, there was nothing really special about it. You can probably find that case for a decent price on eBay or something.

...or just the faceplate.

[shrewd patrol]

Just chiming in to say that the core FINALLY works for me to a good standard. I just completed a couple of levels of Panzer Dragoon and Sega Rally and they pretty much worked like they do on hardware. So good!

Only weird thing is the core won’t sync on my OLED at 1440 resolution + vsync 2. Just drops out constantly. Anyone else have this?

[burnt matrix]

🥳 🥳

[frail token]

EXACTLY

[frail token]

It was me ♥️

[high bramble]

It was... someone... can't think of who right now.
Started with a 'D', I'm sure of it...

[burnt matrix]

It was @lusty rapids

[lusty rapids]

i didn't do it I promise

[high bramble]

I knew it!

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-les-simpson-matt-groening-ouff-non-gif-12807779

[drifting frigate]

So I decided to look over the Rabbit boot issue. I removed an error check that was added to CBUS_IDLE: (all other changes remain, this just allows the CBUS_REQ assignment and status update if there's an error).
Single RAM build. I haven't tested ANYTHING else, but it gets Rabbit booting again.

[pearl harbor]

🐇

[drifting frigate]

This is the sv change

[zinc vine]

oh you hacking

[drifting frigate]

Like I have long covid

[zinc vine]

feel better

covid no joke

[drifting frigate]

No, I don't actually have covid. I'm 'hacking.'

[pearl harbor]

I've managed to avoid covid still.

I've also managed to avoid hacking.

[trim nimbus]

Funny, I finally install the core after all the hype about the latest version and everything working and Rabbit was the second game I tried.

[drifting frigate]

Oh did it work for you? I haven't been able to get it to boot until this since the last July build.

[trim nimbus]

No, that is why I said it was funny, my immediate thought was “well I guess I have bad ram”

[drifting frigate]

Aaaah. Hehe.

[trim nimbus]

Are there any tricks to get interlaced video to look better through the scaler?

[drifting frigate]

Honestly, probably a RetroTink4K... decombing is insanely expensive so I don't know of anything on the HSP that does anything beyond what we've got default.

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, I am definitely thinking a tink4k is in my future for that purpose but I was hoping there was something in the short term.

Being able to use direct video direct into the 4k is going to be pretty amazing

[drifting frigate]

Agreed.

[dire tree]

chd doesn't work yet, right?

[lusty rapids]

right

[ancient surge]

Not yet.

[dire tree]

thanks

[ancient surge]

Yeah some games still don't work. Shining in The Holy Ark also fails to boot currently.

[burnt matrix]

Other than some games not booting any features of the Saturn that have yet to be implemented?

[pearl harbor]

Not that I'm aware of. It there is, it would have to be a pretty obscure feature.

[lusty rapids]

does the mpeg card count as a missing feature? (not that I think there's space to even think about that)

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it'd be cool if the mpeg decoder on the ARM hps could be somehow hijacked.

[ancient surge]

Technically it's needed if you want 100% compatibility with the entire library, but that is literally for only a single game that is just an updated version of Lunar The Silver Story anyway. So it can easily be ignored if needed.

[trim nimbus]

I used to use my mpeg card heavily back in the late 90s

[drifting frigate]

Anyway, these ONLY fix Rabbit, but I haven't seen any regressions in anything I've tested. That being said, there's a reason Sergiy added those error checks, so it surely shouldn't be a primary driver. But IFF you want to play Rabbit, here are single and dual RAM builds.

[winged belfry]

lets talk byte swapping. The where and when of it in terms of bios. bread crumbs have led to a RF one but I don't know if I need to mod it further?

I guess i could just try also, but

[drifting frigate]

For flashing an actual Saturn?

[winged belfry]

nm sorry, it matches the crc you linked earlier, Im all set, sorry

[drifting frigate]

I think you only need to byte swap bios if you're flashing it to specific eeproms. But I might be wrong. That being said, I've never had to byte swap for the core.

Awesome!

[winged belfry]

I didnt see that earlier

about the crc

[drifting frigate]

Glad you are set...enjoy some Saturn! I'm loving this core.

[winged belfry]

its insane the progress both here and N64

[drifting frigate]

Yes. It's....honestly awe inspiring.

[winged belfry]

I am hooked on testing stuff even though i have a saturn and 64 sitting right next to it

Thanks to this community, appreciate you all

this is prime youth nostalgia for me

[drifting frigate]

My 64 stopped booting (bad power supply and I gave it away). My Saturn still needs an ODE. Discs are a pain. Hehe.

Yes!

So these cores are gold!

[winged belfry]

It's also very cool to see Robert/devs/YT folks all on this discord, it feels like irc efnet from back during early mid 2000s

[drifting frigate]

HAH! Discord is my BBS of choice!

[winged belfry]

why did i bother updating cyberpunk? this is all I will be doing for days 😆

[shrewd patrol]

This build is soooo good guys. Playing so much Sega Rally. Might already prefer it to my real Saturn. HDMI crispy af.

[drifting frigate]

CRUNCH! I love it. My head would have actually exploded like Scanners if I even tried to comprehend this as a kid.

[winged belfry]

ikr

young me would have been like 'this box does everything all the way up until 1999??? how?

yeah lets give an edit on that to like 2002 lol whenever the last 64 title I guess came out

[drifting frigate]

It's also my favorite way to play all the NEW games coming out for old consoles. What a time to still be alive. Hehe.

[pearl harbor]

I love me some crispy pixels. I get that these games were designed for the "fuzzy" look of CRTs, but I've always prefered my pixel art to be as crispy/sharp as possible.

[static flicker]

Any suggestions on best currently functional saturn games?

[tiny flare]

Sega Rally Plus, Virtual On, Dayton USA Circuit Edition, Virtua Fighter 2

[mortal mist]

Panzer Dragoon 1/2

Guardian Heroes

Nights Into Dreams

Bulk Slash , Wipeout XL

[drifting frigate]

Magic Knight Rayearth, and basically everything everyone else has said.

Oh, and Astal

[mortal mist]

Yesterday I played a few hours in various games, most Sega Rally , Nights and Panzer Dragoon

zero issues

occasionally some crackling can be heard with the audio , but it's a minor thing

@drifting frigate could you check if the sounds in Die Hard Arcade work ?

I can only hear the music

[drifting frigate]

Looking good for me.

Oh sounds...

Durp. It's late.

[mortal mist]

music works , but I can't hear the sounds of hits , shooting , etc.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, only music here.

[mortal mist]

ok thanks for checking !

[drifting frigate]

NP!

[static flicker]

awesome

extracting some chds to bin/cue now

[mortal mist]

remember to get images from a good source , redump

[tawny forge]

Just finished SFZ3 with Ken. Zero issues!

[static flicker]

Is there a folder naming scheme for dual disk games?

or is it more that.. dual disk games wont work so good atm

[mortal mist]

always good to have games in separate folders

[static flicker]

Just waiting for Double Switch to finish copying 😮

[mortal mist]

try doing a reset, here works fine , but it is quieter

[white yoke]

I've notice a change in the last three core files is that. For me I don't have have to change the bios as much as I used to. But I still have to change the region or it wouldn't play some of the games but it glitchy in that area

[mortal mist]

boot.rom works again, best to use free region bios and forget about loading the bios and changing the region

[white yoke]

thanks I'm glad that I'm not only one here with that problem

no I had to change the bios in the older versions of the core sometimes it was weird

it is

also some good news from me

also in the newest core I can now Play Deep Fear (Europe) with sound music and save capability but I haven't tried on the game itself the disc swap method yet

I'll have to try disc swap method again for D game

[tawny forge]

Anyone getting a black screen in Shining the Holy Ark?

[white yoke]

i do

in the last 5 cores it would just freeze on now loading that's it

in this core and the one before it i can now play dead or alive (Japan)

brb

[mortal mist]

works quite ok , there are sometimes occasional slowdowns

dualsdram

[white yoke]

for DoA yeah

also when playing single sdram version of this core i get green puke still on the screen for unreal tech demo but I can turn it off in the options

in dualsdram it's not there

been doing alot of testing

[mortal mist]

I think I prefer the PSX DoA version anyway 😛 although the Saturn version is faithful to the Arcade

[white yoke]

didn't know that good to know thanks

is it the music or gfx that's off in Psx version of DoA

controls

[mortal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysXsfFX8dHc

[white yoke]

wow thanks

[static flicker]

seems I cant edit the sheet at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7x_uX7WLA60dgOlvGVqqSdf1Gez8-rXN2MBJS7ThA8/edit#gid=0

Double Switch works though 🙂 (single ram)

[mortal mist]

this list hasn't been updated in months

by the fact that everyone had different results when tested

[static flicker]

ahh fair

[marble laurel]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn/commit/bf96f6fc1d180d5c9ccd97f8e35bcd4b75e5fa82

[mortal mist]

a lot is going on 😄

VDP2:

-fix VRAM reading for Normal scroll screen
-fix background color for disabled screen
-fix Field flag flip time

[ancient surge]

SRG is really going for that push to the finish line.

[white yoke]

thanks wark91

[sick hare]

Maybe this fix Shienryu tate mode

[mortal mist]

we have to wait about an hour 🙂

[wet hull]

These are big changes

This might fix the gekirindran background rotation

[tawny forge]

Hopefully it will fix everything and the core is finally released to the masses

[ancient surge]

Good, more people can suffer by playing Death Crimson.

[drowsy hull]

So shining the holy ark... ?

[mortal mist]

did you encounter any bugs ? , there is still no PAL mode in the core

[drowsy hull]

Or is no one greedy enough to do a local build?

[tawny forge]

Black screens

[wet hull]

SCSP sounds like outrun will benefit from it

[ancient surge]

There should be a MiSTer build that only plays Death Crimson and automatically boots up Death Crimson when it's turned on.

[drowsy hull]

Why is that rbf 500mb large?

[tawny forge]

Core is already using 94% of the FPGA right? Wonder how challenging it is to fix bugs and get timing correct at this point now 🤔

[marble lion]

ok i have the core

20230922

[mortal mist]

it;s not yet build

[marble lion]

you see the picture?

[mortal mist]

recently there was the same situation , that someone had core after 5 min from the script and was not up to date

yes i SEE

[ancient surge]

94% is slightly deceptive, since some of it is dedicated to stuff like the debugging tools and the unused features. Could maybe squeeze out a little more space with optimization.

[mortal mist]

if you think you have a current one then no problem 🙂

script downloads core from unstable nightlies, not there yet

[ancient surge]

Will this update fix the issue with Bug! struggling to get pass the intro cutscene?

[tawny forge]

There are two saturn related repos in srg320 github: Saturn and Saturn_MiSTer. Which one is being used by #unstable-nightlies ?

[mortal mist]

Saturn Mister

[tawny forge]

That one doesn’t seem to have the latest fixes yet?

[wet hull]

It does

It checks out the other repos (SH2 and Saturn)

[mortal mist]

commit to build core appeared 28 min

ago

[tawny forge]

Awesome! Thanks for the clarification guys!

[ancient surge]

Oh maybe this fixes the issue with Bug!

[wanton elk]

Awesome 🙂

[mortal mist]

hype!

[ancient surge]

https://twitter.com/srg320_/status/1705190841856168290?t=zoMDrvTx00FTnea6BBTWzg&s=19
https://twitter.com/srg320_/status/1705190844066611391?t=OmvsBU8jmuIYWlsXr_8nqg&s=19

Sergiy Dvodnenko (@srg320_)

Saturn FPGA progress update.
SH2: fix saturate mode in MULT module (Assault Rigs)
VDP2:
-fix VRAM reading for Normal scroll screen (Death Crimson)
-fix background color for disabled screen (Sega Rally)
-fix Field flag flip time (Thunder Force V, True Pinball)

Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 12:02 PM

Sergiy Dvodnenko (@srg320_)

VDP1: fix latch time for interlace setting
SCSP:
-fix reading undocumented bits of Monitor register (Code R)
-rework memory controller
SCU: fix interrupt status register (Bug!)
Rework sdram1 controller.
Fix bios loading.

Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 12:02 PM

[undone oyster]

I wonder if any of these changes will fix Shining The Holy Ark

[naive whale]

Again? Lolol

[ancient surge]

How games still don't boot at all?

[wet hull]

There could be many reasons

DMA

CD controller

Some games might rely on some hacky stuff

Hence why they wouldn't boot

[ancient surge]

...Okay that doesn't answer my question, but sure?

[shadow merlin]

I don't think anyone knows exactly how many games don't boot

Up until recently the number was different for each mister

[ancient surge]

Shining The Holy Ark and Rabbit fail to load anything, and I think someone mentioned one of the Konami Deluxe Packs having issues with loading a game.

[naive whale]

Fix bios loading. Wonder what that means (in practice)

[mortal mist]

boot.rom

[shadow merlin]

There's some Japanese games that probably don't boot but no one's bothered to try

[ancient surge]

Basically boot.rom works again, and it now automatically loads the bios.

[naive whale]

I just mean once the core drops I wonder if we will have to rename the file and loading the .bin will not work. We will know soon

Looks like I’ll be capturing Saturn this morning for 4 pm today lol

Good to see Srg320 is still good doing his thing

[mortal mist]

Single

[tall radish]

you where right. the dual ram does not load on single ram anymore.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-hackers-keyboard-cowboys-we-are-samurai-the-keyboard-cowboys-gif-24000545

[naive whale]

Outside of what’s notated in patreon email if anyone finds new games loading @ me so I can try to get them in the vid

Will start capturing once this mornings video is out

[wet hull]

What answer were you looking for

[undone oyster]

Still no signs of like in Shining The Holy Ark

[wet hull]

I highly doubt even srg would know that answer to why "how games still don't boot at all?"

[naive whale]

"because its not done" is always the answer

[frail token]

Maybe they meant how many?

[stone sky]

Yes, exactly what we all have to think "in development" means

[naive whale]

Got the games from the patreon post ready to test around 8ish

[undone oyster]

Bug now shows whole intro and goes to the title screen

[naive whale]

awesome

Will make a fun vid

[naive whale]

you still loading the BIOS in menu? Just seeing if that works before I go renaming stuff

[amber lichen]

@mortal mist Thanks for the new build

[undone oyster]

I am but that is because I have been too lazy to rename it back lol

[mortal mist]

dualsdram is already in unstable nightlies

[naive whale]

haha exactly what I asked

back soon. Operation Tiger pt 3 time

[ancient surge]

"How many games still don't boot"

[wet hull]

Lol

[undone oyster]

From what I can see out of the USA games only 1 so far

[naive whale]

anyone find anything new booting?

[shadow merlin]

Outrun (japan) has sound again. On dual ram

[ancient surge]

By the way, Bug! now works. Restarted multiple times to double check, and now it can get to the title screen consistently.

[amber lichen]

woohoo bugs fixed

[burnt matrix]

omg new build?

[naive whale]

yep!

[burnt matrix]

[amber lichen]

probably need to go home from work early to play with bugs

[ancient surge]

Shining The Holy Ark and Rabbit still don't boot.

[burnt matrix]

Mister is going to run you ragged lol

[amber lichen]

street fighter stuff boot?

[naive whale]

that and this kitten

[amber lichen]

last buikd just freeze on intros

[tawny forge]

Just finished Street Fighter Zero 3 with Ken this morning (single ram)

[undone oyster]

Which one?

[naive whale]

time to put the new core on

[amber lichen]

cool I think I tried sf2 collection and another street fihter that was dual disc

[hard reef]

Yes, sounds & music all work again

[ancient surge]

Hey, the character portraits are fixed now!