Sega Saturn

[ancient surge]

Bug! still fails to load even on the unstable build.

[pearl harbor]

Had a lot to take care of this morning, so only now just starting some testing. And wow, this build is really good!

Full audio fixes for pretty much all the games where audio would drop out.

Cotton 2 works now, Thunder Force V, Nights into Dreams. They all have good audio now.

I've been waiting for Cotton 2's audio fix for so long.

Still getting the weird Elevator Action Returns audio bug though. Explosions = maniacal laughter.

Going back and reading some of recent posts. So the bios issue is finally fixed!?

[wise brook]

yup

[pearl harbor]

Huzzah!!

[wise brook]

and you can see I got Shinobi x working

[pearl harbor]

I think I've been using a 60fps hack for Shinobi X, and that "version" still doesn't load for me. I'll have to try unmodified versions.

[untold spear]

anyone very familiar with nights wanna give that a test

i can't say if this is a bug or me being shit at the game lol

[drifting frigate]

No audio (so no point) but Discworld II is getting way further than before if you mash start.

[wise brook]

have you tried the controller thing

[untold spear]

ye i tried the shinobi x 60fps hack and it fails

controller thing you say..

[wise brook]

on real hardware the pal audio would de-sync with the game

[pearl harbor]

Not familiar with it.

[wise brook]

set 1 to digital and 2 to off

or vice versa

[drifting frigate]

Oof, that sucks. Especially for a game like this.

[untold spear]

that worked

controller magic

that was the only game on my list that wouldnt load

[pearl harbor]

Wow that did work.

[drifting frigate]

Actually, @tough star you may want to add this to the FAQ.

[pearl harbor]

Shinobi X time!

[drifting frigate]

There's a controller trick to get into Shinobi, Night Striker, and a few other games.

[wise brook]

Andy we're heroes

[drifting frigate]

Mostly you.... hehe. I'm helping with some debugging, but you found the root cause.

[pearl harbor]

WTF, what a strange way of getting those games to boot! Yeah, Night Striker S works now too.

In the Hunt also boots with that fix!

[wise brook]

Bug! demo started, seems good so far

[pearl harbor]

This is wild.

[cursive turtle]

Audio cuts out for me in Cotton 2 but the game boots now so I’m not complaining too much

[prime hare]

So rename the boot.bin(s) back to .rom(s)?

[drifting frigate]

Discworld II has sound on dual ram. BUT the controller disconnects constantly in game. On both builds.

[mortal mist]

yes, boot.rom

will load auto.

[pearl harbor]

I will miss helping so many people with boot.rom/boot.bin.

[untold spear]

until its added to mister stable, still going to have to

[wise brook]

cease

[ripe valley]

The game does have a controller bug documented on the original hardware.
You even need to remove the controller after launching the game and replug it when you have passed the KOKOPELI logo.

[untold spear]

or is it fixed with the core

[wise brook]

it's fixed with the core

[ancient surge]

i will miss being a smug asshole by booting up the games that others struggle with

[untold spear]

ah good

[mortal mist]

its core fix

[wise brook]

I've played enough astal on my Sarurn that I can hear the slightly off note in the MiSTer core

[mortal mist]

I didn't scroll to the end , sorry 🙂

[pearl harbor]

This is easily the biggest update since the save support update. Not that that was all that long ago, but still!

[untold spear]

yep. every game i've tested works probably completely or only has minor issues

[mortal mist]

I no longer have to turn on the Saturn, all the games I wanted work ok on core now

[untold spear]

i think grandia may be playable? but i think the art is still confused with what its trying to do..

[mortal mist]

playing Panzer Dragon now

[drifting frigate]

Yes

Re: Grandia

[zinc vine]

yes

[untold spear]

Grandia: Confused Portraits Edition, exclusive to mister

[drifting frigate]

The status tile graphcs are still sliced up. The FMV is still problematic with interlacing/duplicating. But the game itself is smooth and no longer has slowdowns/has music.

[pearl harbor]

I haven't tested Shining Force III yet for crashes. It always crashed during the first battle for me.

[untold spear]

think i'll just leave controller 2 off unless a buddy comes over and wants to play something

[ripe valley]

That's what I also do.

[untold spear]

shinobi x gameplay i like, the way it looks not so much

[tough star]

please provide me with the verbatim wording for the FAQ

i don't have time to follow all the cores

[inner token]

I was wondering if what people were seeing happens on real hardware.

can someone try Shinobi or one of the other games mentioned on real saturn with 2 pads connected?

[amber lichen]

I'm so used to loading the bin i keep doing it even though it auto loads now

but now I have to click the staurn start icon for my games to start

[mortal mist]

nothin unusual 🙂

[drifting frigate]

I'll do it on the other chat.

[tough star]

thanks

[silk vine]

He did it…l many many many problems and compatibility resolved over all other builds. RC… soon

[drifting frigate]

No problem.

[wise brook]

played some nights. just like the real thing.
couple of crushed sound effects and I can tell the gouraud shading is slightly off but besides that it's beautiful

got my usual c grade

[untold spear]

did you get a weird sort of alarm effect that stacked more and more?

or was that just me doing something i wasn't supposed to

lol

i try it, but i have no idea what the hell i'm doing

going through hoops

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise brook]

collect blue orbs and break open the lock

https://youtu.be/vIRNNs-OHs4?si=b6oZANgKOvqT8Wkh

recommend viewing

[untold spear]

ill give it a shot. im just briefly testing games rn now. i'm in the middle of a megaman x marathon excluding 7 and 8

don't wanna dedicate to any other games until thats done

i am going to have to toss on more games for saturn now though. insane stability improvement

[drifting frigate]

Widescreen Nights feels weird. It's really pretty though.

[umbral radish]

Just a quick question folks, am I the only person who isn't seeing an improvement in the audio side of things? Games like Daytona CCE & Sega Rally are constantly dropping the audio although the game doesn't crash. Radiant Silveegun is another one for me, audio stops (as well as some sound effects) but the game continues.

[high bramble]

Wait, hold on... I'm writing this down... 😉

[untold spear]

did you update mister main as well to rule that out? it was updated too specifically for saturn

[silk vine]

Outrun sound still not working… last seen okay in build 20230828
Tried many bios and diff settings.

[drifting frigate]

Lemme try it on dual ram. I've been having a lot of luck with 'no music' games dropping music on the dual ram build (it's finally doing something BETTER than single...)

[untold spear]

sorry, not update

i mean use unstable

[umbral radish]

yep, Mister main was updated to today's unstable build, core updated. So far I'm putting down to having a very early 128mb sdram (when it was first introduced).

[untold spear]

oh that could very well be it, but who knows

[drifting frigate]

Nope, no music on either dual or single.

[silk vine]

But on the older 28th Aug?

Just checking so the issue can be easily reproduced and hopefully traced back

[drifting frigate]

There's not really a point in doing regression testing on older builds as srg isn't taking issues currently. But if you had luck with it, for sure keep a note of it in case those doors open.

[silk vine]

Exactly.. happy to help when needed

[drifting frigate]

The SDRAM is very very different now. He's really done a massive amount of refactoring.

[frail heath]

Batsugun seems to work fine gameplay wise, I get the music but no other sound effects on single RAM build

[umbral radish]

I'm starting to wonder if I need to upgrade my SDRAM to the lastest revision, a little reluctant to at this stage though because everything else on my MiSter works just fine.

[stiff patrol]

the core is still alpha

dont spend anything until its been completed

[umbral radish]

I know! Just a little jealous with everyone else seeing the improvements and I'm not!

[untold spear]

i wonder

might not make a dif, but what are you playing it on

crt?

[umbral radish]

no, over hdmi - modern flat panel

[untold spear]

got a crt available?

[umbral radish]

sadly not

[untold spear]

just for the sake of ruling out absolutely everything, cord and all

lol

im in the habit even dumb things to try to find a fix, because for some reason it often seems to be the dumb stuff that works for me

things that shouldnt work, but do

[high bramble]

As usual, I still think not everyone is seeing the same improvements, even with the same builds (single- or dual-RAM). There still varying degrees of success, depending on several factors.

I wouldn't (yet) place too high a priority on trying to configure a dual-RAM setup.

[untold spear]

from the looks of it, i don't think n64 or saturn will need dual, but some arcade ones seem like they will need it

[faint flicker]

For me Sega Rally stopped working completely. After the bios boot is get a white screen and that's it. Single and dual RAM with newest core and newest mister unstable main

[high bramble]

Which BIOS, and what is it currently named?

[umbral radish]

I know that has been the case with the Saturn core, I have been here since the start of it, just that with today's build the general consensus seems to be that it's vastly improved .... while it is improved for me in that the games are no longer crashing or are now working (Rally, Daytona, Silvergun) I'm getting terrible audio performance from these games (& presumably across the board, although I haven't tested other games yet)

I have the region free Hi-Saturn bios, named to boot.rom, and that is now auto-loading

[faint flicker]

I load the 1.01 Japan bios by hand. Other games work so I guess it not the bios

[drowsy hull]

you had your sega rally run for the last months of core updates, now let others have that

[tiny flare]

holy shit, Sega Rally is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and Virtual On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[high bramble]

I believe you should be able to name it boot.rom and place it in the root of the Saturn folder again. I think the consensus is that you no longer need to load the BIOS manually now.

[tiny flare]

Fun to wake up to such amazing and unexpected updates

[mortal mist]

Yes boot.rom works again

[faint flicker]

Oh good to know, will try

Thanks

[tiny flare]

Thanks, I somehow missed that with all the posts since I last logged on

[frail heath]

Cool! I seem to have some issues in general atm, but good to know, thank you

[naive whale]

Saturn vid in 2 minutes

[silk vine]

Yeah, thanks! My us region free is now all I need in general

[silk vine]

Sorry mate, what’s the channel?

[naive whale]

ill leave a link when its live

[high bramble]

PixelCherry something...

[naive whale]

haha nice

https://youtu.be/jsCm5b3SwWk

[silk vine]

Ha ha

[untold spear]

ima watch it

[silk vine]

That’s you? Pleased to speak to ya mate VGE is awesome

[high bramble]

The one and only. 🙂

[naive whale]

haha yep thats me

[silk vine]

Outrun in the next Video!

[naive whale]

Saturn had what it took today

[umbral radish]

Does anybody here happen to have a 2.4 revision of the 128mb sdram? This is the revision I've got and is still giving me no end of audio issues. Everybody is mentioning the 2.5 revision, eould be curious to know if anybody using the 2.4 revision is seeing what I'm seeing (or rather "not hearing" )with this version of the Saturn core.

Would be good to know if anyone else is using a 2.4 revision of the sdram

[naive whale]

I dont know of anyone on 2.4

not in my comments section or on here. Seems like 2.5V or later

run memtest. See your speeds and if you start seeing errors. Thats a good starting point

[umbral radish]

Tried that already!

[lavish wadi]

Shinobi?

[umbral radish]

I'm starting to conclude in my mind that SRG has optimized the core for 2.5 & above. For those of us who got the SD ram very early (I got mine from Porkchop) I'm starting to think we might be out of luck!

I think I tested Shinobi earlier and I don't think it booted at all (any version - PAL, NTSC, Pal patched to 60hz)

[marble laurel]

Since today the 2.5 is not good but we have great improvement I will wait until real statement saying V2.4 is not correctly supported

[mortal mist]

I can check 2.4 tomorrow

[drowsy hull]

I remember being slightly unhappy about the 128ram being a preorder of uncertain time, so I assume I should have gotten a v2.4 from him as well

[umbral radish]

If you could kuba, that would be appreciated - I don't think there's too many of us with a 2.4 revision

[drowsy hull]

and shinobi (jp) at least just starts to freeze when skipping the post intro title screen video

[marble laurel]

For shinobi you need to set pad 2 to off on the OSD to not have freeze

[drowsy hull]

well, something to try at one point

[umbral radish]

I';ll give that a try now ....

Disabling pad 2 (thanks wark91), the USA, JPN & Pal 60hz patched Shinobi all work on 2.4 sdram (with music as well)

[cursive turtle]

My audio cuts out with Daytona too and I’m on 2.5 SDRAM I’m gonna wait a bit before I consider upgrading to a newer revision

[naive whale]

I had the same experience today

[drowsy hull]

without checking it, I guess it should work with the setting wark91 posted above

[drifting frigate]

Same with Night Striker. Pad 2 off and it'll boot.

[faint flicker]

Got 2.5 dual RAM and most games have audio problems still. I guess it's best to wait for a stable release of the core before getting worried

Games where the audio sounds perfect to me are Astal and Guardian heroes. Some Sound good but the volume is super low.

[tiny flare]

I’m on 2.9 SDRAM and this is the first build in ages that had worked for me with eg. Sega Rally, Virtual On, VF2, no noticeable audio issues yet but I haven’t had much time to play

[tawny forge]

Wait, are there different behavior between different ram versions?

I’m pretty sure errors should be consistent now

Provided we’re testing with same images and conditions

[tiny flare]

I don’t know about versions, I’m pretty sure it’s just memory timings, seeing as others with the same version were able to play eg. Sega Rally just fine on previous builds

[tawny forge]

Latest core version should have same behavior

Isn’t it the case?

[tiny flare]

Doesn’t sound like it?

[tawny forge]

For example?

[tiny flare]

@umbral radish ‘s post above?

[umbral radish]

@tawny forge not from what I'm seeing. I'm on a 2.4 sdram, seeing (hearing) audio cutouts in Daytona, Rally, Silvergun while others are reporting sound to be fine

[tawny forge]

What’s the speed reported by memtest on your ram when running for 15mins?

[umbral radish]

I'll run the test again now .... back in 15! 🙂

[tawny forge]

Are you using an SD card or USB?

[umbral radish]

usb (ssd)

[tawny forge]

Try with an SD if you can

Also check if you have a good game image

[umbral radish]

I know my game images are good (redump)

[tawny forge]

Latest main unstable right?

[umbral radish]

yep

[tawny forge]

I will test more from my side when kids are sleeping

Also I think I have a v2.4 ram module

[umbral radish]

running the memtest now, I'll report back shortly with the results.

[alpine pagoda]

Same issues here, I tried from the SD card instead and it was the same

[tawny forge]

If it’s 130+ you shouldn’t have issues

[tiny flare]

I’d like to think that srg320 fixed all the memory issues with this build, but it wouldn’t be surprising at all if there were still differences with different timings

[tawny forge]

Which issue exactly on which game so I can try it too?

[tiny flare]

The cores been plagued with it up until now

(Through no fault of his by the sound of it, it was all working fine on his end)

[tawny forge]

Also which bios?

[alpine pagoda]

Music stops on sega rally and nights for example, I think the region free J.

[tawny forge]

I’m using a hi saturn free region bios v1.2 if I’m not mistaken

[alpine pagoda]

My mem tests at about 142/3

[umbral radish]

So, Daytona USA CCE, Sega Rally, Radiant Silvergun, Sky Target, CD audio drops out and lose sound effects that turn into pops ...etc

Bios is Hi Saturn region free

[tiny flare]

Same bios for me

[tawny forge]

That’s expected and it should happen to everyone IIRC?

How long after game starts until we get those issues?

Will make sure I test long enough

[tiny flare]

Haven’t played that long so not sure yet, was able to play through one round of rally arcade mode without anything noticeable though

[alpine pagoda]

Maybe I wasn’t paying enough attention this morning, I got the impression a lot of things were working perfectly for some

[tawny forge]

Maybe some didn’t test long enough? 😌

[drowsy hull]

perfectly is mostly an overused word

[alpine pagoda]

Rally cut off around the end of first race, nights immediately when the game starts

[umbral radish]

for me, it within seconds of the game starting usually. But the game doesn't crash. When there's a change of cd track it will startplayng again

[tiny flare]

It’s very likely there were issues that I just didn’t notice while playing…

You could easily miss a small audio skip if you aren’t looking for it

[ripe valley]

Done 3 races on SEGA rally without any cut off on my side, dual SDRAM v2.9.
And done the first stage and boss of Nights without a sound problem.

[tawny forge]

My tests were very limited this morning before work

[lavish wadi]

Thank you!!!!!

[tiny flare]

Want to try more Virtual On when I can

Only got 2 rounds in before work this morning

[vocal stirrup]

is there a proper step by step tutorial somewhere i can use to get this thing working that has best practices for bios versions and which menu options to use? i've historically had terrible luck with Saturn core and i'm absolutely sure its just me not knowing what i'm doing with this one

[ripe valley]

I've seen X-Men - Children of the Atom works now, no more "sound driver error" message when starting the game.
Done 3-4 fights without a problem.

X-Men vs. Street Fighter boots further into the main game too and the intro doesn't auto reboot/crash anymore during the first part.
But random crashes during the first stage + colors are rendered incorrect (like with Marvel vs. Street Fighter).

[tiny flare]

Anyone try Sega Ages Outrun on this build? Audio had regressed for me on the last one, 🤞it’s fixed now

[ripe valley]

No sound for me on Outrun with that build.

[tiny flare]

Ah well

[next bronze]

Tried the latest YC build. VF Remix, Taromaru, Twinkle Star Sprites are working with sound. VF Remix for Seganet isn't working.

[ripe valley]

Many other games are working now, but Outrun regressed.

Taromaru needs to be checked after the stage 3, as it was freezing on previous builds.

[next bronze]

oh ok. I haven't checked that far.

[ripe valley]

I've found that bug completely by luck one day, as you need to play that game at least for 20-25 mins.

The bug occurs just a little after debarking from the boat to the coast once more.

[amber lichen]

I get sound when loading bios now previously build I didnt

[fallow surge]

Someone talk me into updating to unstable mister. First and last time I tried it I borked my mister and lost all video. Reverted to previous mister main, mister ini, and one other file I forget. And didn’t get better, had to mr fusion reformat. And my n64 replica controller and Saturn controller have been sitting here

[untold spear]

the dual build is right above the single

[undone oyster]

FTP into your MiSTer and rename the file MiSTer to MiSTer.bak
Download the MiSTer unstable from #unstable-nightlies
Rename the download to just MiSTer and FTP it over
Wait at least 10 seconds and cold reboot your MiSTer

[untold spear]

yes

[astral crane]

This happen to me too

[untold spear]

there is also a mister unstable build that does something for cd loading on saturn

[tiny flare]

@fallow surge , @astral crane do either of you happen to use FileZilla? If so make sure it’s set to binary transfer mode and not ascii

That’s also a classic gag when it comes to transferring MiSTer main

[astral crane]

I'm using it :/

[fallow surge]

Same

Guess we solved that. Preferred client?

[undone oyster]

WinSCP

[tiny flare]

WinSCP works well with default settings

[high bramble]

WinSCP

[umbral radish]

@tawny forge the memtest is stable at 144, just going to transfer a few things to the SD card to try.

[tiny flare]

Lmao, jinx

[fallow surge]

I’ll grab it now Ty

[tidal raptor]

isn't FileZilla full of adware now? I remember that's why I stopped using it years ago

[tiny flare]

I think it’s fine now, but the default ascii transfer mode setting is a trap

[fallow surge]

My copy isn’t. If that’s worth anything

[tiny flare]

It’s otherwise fine if you change that

[tawny forge]

Excellent result!

[tidal raptor]

this was probably like more than 6 or 7 years ago lol so good to know that's not the case anymore

[high bramble]

It's fine if transfer mode is set to binary (which it should be by default)... just preferred the interface of WinSCP more.

[tight zinc]

BitKinex works well for me

[high bramble]

Right pane is MiSTer, left pane is my local backup on my PC of MiSTer's SD card. Very easy to keep track of things and revert files if necessary.

[fallow surge]

Reminds me of that hilarious bitcoin scam

[tight zinc]

except bitkinex does multichannel transfers for stupid fast speeds

[tall radish]

i wish @tough star would make a script for saturn that works with update_all

[naive whale]

Happy to do the vids

[sudden tusk]

Dayuuumm I missed everything today

[vocal stirrup]

it's not a proper lunch break if i dont have a VGE and Guga video back to back lol

[sudden tusk]

Still radiant silvergun though

Ima dig into that

[next bronze]

Not quite the same, but the Saturn YC core is picked up by the YC script. Should be similar to the single sdram core and works with HDMI as well as YC (which can be toggled).

[naive whale]

Lol I’m exhausted. I did nine hours in my studio today and knocked out four videos

[tough star]

Not gonna happen anymore

[tawny forge]

update_unstable.sh FTW!

[high bramble]

You do a great job of keeping people up-to-date on the latest developments, @naive whale. I'm sure it gets tiring.

[tall radish]

I get it. Thanks still though.

[naive whale]

It’s fun. Keeps me busy while film work in Chicago is bust

[high bramble]

Yeah, that's gotta be rough.

[umbral radish]

@tawny forge - for the final test 3 games moved over to the internal sd card. All showing the same results as when they were on the HDD

Daytona CC£ - (USA) Music cuts out seconds into a race
Sega Rally - (USA) Music Cuts out shortly after starting each stage
Radiant Silvergun - (JPN) all sound cuts out after a couple of minutes

Couple that with the 144 memory test (2.4 sdram).

[tawny forge]

Will run same tests! Thanks!

I also challenge anyone not having issues with those games to test them again properly 😌

[umbral radish]

so sorry to open this can of worms

[untold spear]

i havent tested those at all, but i'll give it a try in... 22 mins

21..

[umbral radish]

Are you working with srg320 on this, @tawny forge?

I'm sure there are other games where I will see similar results, but those are the ones I've focused on.

[untold spear]

now what would you consider a proper test

i'll start with daytona

i'm on 2.9 stable at 150

[naive whale]

Someone over on a diff discord was having the same issue

[drifting frigate]

Playing through BR as Tillis and....Sho pronounces his last name Amabarney in the EN dialog.

[ivory veldt]

How is the audio in radiant silvergun? It always ran with no audio on my dual ram hoping now there is audio

[limpid wharf]

I’ve not tried radiant silvergun but the other two were the same for me using cifs

[naive whale]

I still raw dog it into the micro sd card slot and have never set up any other storage

Only diff is I throw way overrated SanDisk cards at it. Stuff you’d use in a camera speed wise. No clue if that affects anything though

[limpid wharf]

Yeah, I doubt it would. Just don’t use absolute trash SD cards.

[drifting frigate]

Sustained read (which pro cards are designed for) is the big issue.

[naive whale]

I only use them because I’ve got a drawer filled with them. Like maybe 30

[drifting frigate]

The throughput is all capped at USB2 for it though.

[limpid wharf]

I moved to CIFS because I just plug in an external SSD into my NAS and share it. So easy.

[drifting frigate]

But yeah, I/O read on high rated cards is more about the sustained stream.

[drifting frigate]

I'm never going back. NEVER!

[naive whale]

I need to set it up as some point but I need to do a lot of shit “at some point”

Also I know 95% plus of my audience is using micro sd so I try to leave my testing setup as “common” as it can be

[limpid wharf]

I only set it up recently, and neither. Barring some MiSTer 2 thing.

[drifting frigate]

Haha...it's a whole ass thing. I just had to do NAS maintenance and took apart the power supply to replace the extremely noisy fan. 3 hours gone (I had to wire up a new 2pin adapter and I did it right with heat shrink and solder rather than fast, which is my old MO).

More dust than the 1930s south.

[naive whale]

Hence why I probably won’t do it. I can barely find the time to finish the projects I WANT to, let alone the ones I don’t really NEED to do

[limpid wharf]

Every time I clean my NAS I’m surprised by how little dust there actually is.

[drifting frigate]

Mine is low and we have a cat. That's the only thing I can think of. Well, and we live in the sticks.

[limpid wharf]

Cat will do it for sure.

[drifting frigate]

But it was pretty foul. I just cleaned it 9 months ago, too.

[limpid wharf]

I’d love to have a cat, but I’m deathly allergic.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, that's no bueno.

[astral crane]

Thx for the tip this software is ultra fast

[naive whale]

I’ve still got an arcade board I fixed four months ago and said “just wire in controls this week so you don’t forget”…sitting next to my desk waiting for me to actually do that

[tawny forge]

Nah! Just wanna make sure we’re all clear on memory metastability issues before we can start real testing here

[zinc vine]

all game suggested works on dual ram

[manic mica]

not sure about dual ram but there is audio on single ram - it is a bit quiet and kind of scratchy like its peaking but actually pretty good overall

sounds,bgm and voices all playing

pretty mindblowing tbh

[ivory veldt]

Yeah Dual in previous builds had no BGM

[manic mica]

tested a fair amount of games today and alot are playing for a good while before audio hangups

leynos 2 is working alot better now

very exciting to see so much progress

[umbral radish]

ok, off to sleep now. Will be interested to see other peoples results using the 2.4 sdram. I'll check back in the morning. Goodnight folks!

[amber lichen]

@naive whale I always look forward to your videos

[naive whale]

Appreciate that! @drifting frigate has been a big help lately too

[next pivot]

I am testing rightnow with 2.4, and I am losing musics in Sega Rally

[burnt matrix]

Delisoba Deluxe @pearl harbor

[amber lichen]

I haven’t been thus excited about the fire since the core was announced

Doom never ran for me till this build

Damn autocorrect

Is there a way to tell which version ram module you have without opening the case?

My case is so fragile now it’s going to break if I keep taking it apart. I bought the aluminum vase but the usb bridge I have is too big for the case

[craggy horizon]

That sounds so dirty

[naive whale]

That’s kinda the point lol. My entire MiSster is raw dogged. No case

[limber shard]

any chance chd support is in yet?

all my saturn images are chd lol

[craggy horizon]

I once made the mistake of diagnosing why an acquaintance's PC kept crashing. They were a smoker with multiple cats. When I opened their PC, I discovered every fan was siezed and burnt out due to being wadded full of a combination of cat hair and yellow-brown sticky cigarette smoke residue, and there was a dead rat lying on the back of the video card. That's when I swore off ever helping anyone with their PC problems ever again.

[craggy horizon]

I had to convert all mine to cue-bin using chdman.

[amber lichen]

When I worked at bby if there was roaches ir feces we would not touch the pc

[limber shard]

I converted mine FROM bin-cue to CHD when the saturn core was announced, i really don't wanna convert back lol

[craggy horizon]

I still want to know how a rat ended up inside of their PC, and apparently without them even noticing. Scratch that, no, I don't want to know. 🤦

[craggy horizon]

Why'd you delete the original set?

[untold spear]

so i booted up daytona cce and it didnt have sound after the first bit... but i think i figured out something

will post back if its actually useful

[craggy horizon]

leave us in suspense

[untold spear]

if region is set to japan, sound always cuts out

switching to usa makes it work

just reset 6 times switching back and forth

[craggy horizon]

Are you using a JPN or USA BIOS?

It might matter.

[untold spear]

using the region free

[craggy horizon]

Try with JPN

[untold spear]

i wont. going to stick with region free for now

if i switch region to usa it fixes sound completely

games run with sound using jpn just fine in most cases

[untold spear]

but its not auto setting region per gamw

game

i wonder if that is causing sound issues for some

[fallow surge]

Thanks fuzz. Saturn is next have to sort bioses etc

Not trolling with n64 stuff here. Just showing winscp helped me copy files and not fuck myself over

[untold spear]

hey, what is your region set to when loading these games

finished a race with sound on USA region fully

anyone at all with sound issues here that others dont have using region free bios wanna test if region is correct?

or switch region to see what happens?

[alpine pagoda]

No change here on rally

[next pivot]

No change for me switching region to USA

my bios is probably japanese

[untold spear]

try the region free one and see if it makes a dif

i was able to force audio to not work and work repeatedly with 10 resets getting the desired result each time

[tawny forge]

Can’t reproduce on Sega Rally. I can play until I get retired in the mountains (because I suck at this game haha). No audio issues so far.

Will try radiant silvergun now

[untold spear]

boot, can you try swapping the region setting in menu to jp

and see if daytona cuts sound

[tawny forge]

My region is always set to USA

[undone oyster]

You are most welcome 🙂

[untold spear]

i was able to reproduce sound loss

[tawny forge]

Lemme check

[untold spear]

daytona cce that is

[tawny forge]

No audio issues on Sega Rally with Japan region set

Will copy daytona cce to sd now

[untold spear]

i havent tried sega rally

ill give that a go

[tawny forge]

Copying...

[drifting frigate]

Ooooh no! That's the WORST!

[tawny forge]

Here's my BIOS md5: 7ae047df81cd8e2eb86063164a93621c boot.bin

My 128MB sdram is old as fuck, so probably a v2.4 or v2.5

[untold spear]

sega rally does work fine no matter what setting

[tawny forge]

yep

[untold spear]

but daytona seems upset by region

[tawny forge]

5 minutes to go with daytona cce here

damn slow wifi

[untold spear]

which makes me think some sound issues some people are having might be bios/region related

[tawny forge]

it could be yeah

[tawny forge]

@umbral radish this is my BIOS MD5

[untold spear]

think hes offline. i sent him a message

[tawny forge]

ok, daytona cce is in. off to test it out

[untold spear]

try jp before loading the game

im guessing you are using the hi saturn bios too

[tawny forge]

Yes, this one: "Hitachi Hi-Saturn BIOS v1.02 (1995)(Hitachi - Sega)(JP)(M6)[h].zip"

[untold spear]

yep same one

[vocal stirrup]

i have successfully managed to get Daytona CCE up and running myself tonight and it works great. NBA Jam TE and Mega Man 8 both working perfectly as well as far as i can tell. Took some doing on my end, i had somehow gotten the wrong version of the core so i updated to unstable mister nightly and latest single ram saturn i could find(same dates but different file sizes) and so far so good. Using standard saturn US v.01 bios for the moment

Is there a cure for the uncentered display on CRT or is that just something i have to live with for the time being?

[untold spear]

i think someone had some sort of temp fix for it

might have to search

[vocal stirrup]

i had read earlier that someone had a centered screen but it didnt seem they had to do anything special

i'm noticing different games seem to be located differently

[untold spear]

yep. same from when i tested

[vocal stirrup]

oh! an extra note in case it helps anyone, i had to convert my existing CHD roms to bin/cue. my googling says chd should work but in practice didnt seem to be the case

[ripe valley]

Mega Man 8 / Rockman 8 have some problems with the FMV intro (desync with some trying to resync multiple times and sound drop off, even with the recent build).
But, in-game, it's perfect.

[vocal stirrup]

Agree, in-game seemed to be in good shape. FMV worked but i didnt pay enough attention to find any issues with sync

[ripe valley]

The JPN version have lyrics, so it's more obvious. Like, when Mega Man shoots on the giant snake, you can hear the lyrics two times and rewinding some seconds before on the same scene.

[tawny forge]

@untold spear can't get any audio issues with Japan region set in daytona cce 🤔

[untold spear]

weird

[untold spear]

it 100% breaks for me with jpn selected

[tawny forge]

These are my settings

[untold spear]

only thing i might have set different are second controller off and autosave on

[tawny forge]

Everything as "Enable" inside Debug here

[untold spear]

... for the sake of trying things

wonder if it makes a dif

[tawny forge]

Didn't mess with second controller off yet

lemme check

[untold spear]

well.. scrap that. i cant force the sound to cut out now with a core reload

[tulip urchin]

Out run has no sound with the newest core

[untold spear]

yep that one everyone is having the same issue with

[tulip urchin]

😦

[ripe valley]

The sole game I found with a sound regression.

We will need to wait a little bit.
Sound is vastly improved on other games.

[tawny forge]

Sound is still fine with second controller disabled in daytona cce with Japan region set

@untold spear are you using a soundbar or external receiver?

[untold spear]

yeah i cant make it not work now

no

i reloaded the core

and now things play no matter the setting on daytona cce

[tawny forge]

lol

[untold spear]

now i have no idea anymore

[tawny forge]

Seems like an easy fix. Hopefully kikusui has the same luck 😄

[untold spear]

will try one other thing

see if i can make it happen through core reloads

nope.. i cant make it break anymore

😦

sorry for the false hope

[burnt matrix]

SNAC Build

Grab the latest here - #1046941029296779344 message

(the SNAC build is courtesy of @inner token; SNAC will need to be turned on in the core’s Systems menu and only the SNAC + SNAX adapters from http://misteraddons.com are verified to work)

[zinc vine]

new build or new @burnt matrix

[burnt matrix]

new

those need boot.rom too; based on today's build

[zinc vine]

let see if it works with my retrobit controler

[inner token]

will be the same results i bet

[burnt matrix]

I know I keep thanking you but you're pretty awesome for being on the ball with these SNAC builds.

Everyone here is in your debt!

[polar geode]

What a nice person that blue1! is

[inner token]

Thanks Robby you're doing a great job

[zinc vine]

even the blueretro receiver

[tawny forge]

@untold spear after switching between several games, I got audio loss after the first mini boss in radiant silvergun

A core reload fixed that

So it's probably related to game changes

[untold spear]

weird

[tawny forge]

A core reload seems to fix it

[inner token]

if anyone tried the 9-15 snac builds now it will black screen if you have boot.rom. So figured I better do some new builds

[tawny forge]

I suggest doing a fresh core reload before testing any games to make sure the core is fully and properly reset

[zinc vine]

ahhh nope neither work

at least the blueretro should work

[pearl harbor]

What the heck is this!? Had to youtube it, and I've never heard of this one. It's so weird!

[burnt matrix]

It’s by Cave

[pearl harbor]

And all is right in the world!

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I saw their logo and was like WTF!?

Love Cave's games.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

[naive whale]

Back on top!

[untold spear]

someone had mentioned megaman 8 was having issues with the opening fmv. seems to be running fine here

[zinc vine]

@inner token i can use genesis snac in the menu but in game it doesnt work. could be the code is different i know it was working when you did the first snac build

[inner token]

that's probably game specific, the game would have to support the genesis controller. the bios does

[untold spear]

the one after starting the game though i cant tell if its just crappy saturn fmv or an issue

nah definitely an issue

[zinc vine]

well im playing dodonpachi with genesis snac pair with m30 2.4ghz

[warm fjord]

Does the saturn core work with analog connection? componenet --(to)--> crt?

[polar geode]

Should work fine. You'd just need the forked Y/C core for S-video

[warm fjord]

Are you saying if im going to use S-video i need a Y/C cabel or this is also for the component connection?

[polar geode]

Y/C core fork is only for S-video

You're good to go

[warm fjord]

okay sorry I never looked into a Y/C core fork so i didnt know what it was

[astral crane]

It's a little of the center, but looks ok

[warm fjord]

man the nintendo switch graphics on ur profile pic scared me (thanks tho!)

[astral crane]

Mileena scary power 😄

[prime hare]

Just got a 1CC with Ryu on Street Fighter: The Movie - The Game
https://youtu.be/pu6P25g5fZE?si=ZLsaMZe-3o9hSmQH

[craggy horizon]

Daytona CCE has no sound for me, but Daytona CCE NetLink edition does have sound. Weird. But yeah, in general, this latest Saturn unstable build seems much better (fixes many games that the last unstable build broke).

Clockwork Knight refuses to load at all with this build, though... it stays on a black screen for a long time, before finally giving me this:

[zinc vine]

i fixed it with blueretro adapter everything working but retrobit 2.4ghz doesnt work its probably there issue

[craggy horizon]

Okay, weird... I just cold rebooted MiSTer and tried it again, and this time it loads AND plays the intro video for the first time ever.

[astral crane]

This is how I "fix" some blackscreen games

[prime hare]

The Hitachi bios is so nice. I don't have to select the correct region now.

[craggy horizon]

Is it inherently region-free, or are you using a hacked version?

[zinc vine]

i told you this when you was steaming n64 and you said it some game having trouble

[hidden grotto]

If you are resetting a game, loading another, that previous reset doesn't necessarily reset everything correctly

it's best to sometimes reload the core

between every game

[prime hare]

inherently region free

[prime hare]

Previously it gave people trouble. Seems to be working great on this latest build and unstable main

[craggy horizon]

Okay, great safety tip, thanks Egon.

[craggy horizon]

Guess I should start using it then 🙂

[hidden grotto]

When you do a "reset", there's a chance that some feature of the core doesn't actually reset. Think of it like a reset signal going into the core. The core decides which parts are actually reset... so if Srg320 hasn't wired up something to reset that actually needs to reset, then the system will have somethings reset, and others not.

[zinc vine]

yea using the latest snac build with blueretro awesome

[craggy horizon]

Makes sense.

[inner token]

what was the fix?

[craggy horizon]

Nice! That got the sound working in Daytona CCE.

[whole igloo]

Interesting I just tried the hitachi bios, clearly it's loading them but still complaining about the region

[hidden grotto]

yeah, it's actually really annoying when you start doing any core dev. You have to pass the reset signal through to different parts of your code. And in some parts, reset can be active high, or active low... So you might have to invert the signal or act on different edges of the signal.

[tall radish]

shinobi working for anyone?

using the hi saturn bios and it freezes before the start menu loads

[zinc vine]

i restore the fw and then updated to the latest now its working. probably it was corrupts fw. the retrobit doesnt work its retrobit issue

[craggy horizon]

I can give it a try

[tall radish]

lemme know if it freezes

[prime hare]

rename or move all the boot.rom/bin files, and cd_bios.bin out of the Saturn directory. Have only the Hitachi v1.02 as boot.rom

[whole igloo]

i renamed the previous bios already, never had a cd_bios in there, trying a hard restart now

[prime hare]

if something doesn't work, reboot the core

[craggy horizon]

It's stuck on a black screen after hitting Start in the HiSaturn BIOS.

[tall radish]

word not just me then

[prime hare]

I'm using the latest unstable mister main too

which fixed some cd loading

rebooting the core inbetween every game.

[craggy horizon]

same here

[whole igloo]

getting a cd bios not found

[prime hare]

maybe you had that set as your boot rom? try selecting the boot.rom

I used to get that error with old betas.

[craggy horizon]

It always says that regardless

Seems to be a bug with the core

[whole igloo]

directly after it kicks me to the hitachi cd player

only doing this with this hitachi bios though, works fine with the regular

[prime hare]

oh, gotcha. not sure then

[whole igloo]

thought i'd give it a shot since someone mentioned it was nice not fiddling with the region anymore ;)

[hidden grotto]

Has anyone seen the core corrupting external storage?

I've had it corrupt an externa games/Saturn folder on a USB stick I had

anyone know if it's still doing that?

[prime hare]

I had that issue with old cores on the SD card with Saturn game. Would corrupt the cue file

[pearl harbor]

Never happened to me.

[hidden grotto]

Another question... I am right in assuming Salamander2 is still not working on the Salamander collection?

[craggy horizon]

trying it now..

Doesn't work for me. After selecting "SALAMANDER2", it just fades to a black screen and remains stuck there forever.

[craggy horizon]

Doesn't seem to be on my end. To get it to load a JPN game, I still have to switch to JPN region in the OSD, unlike with my region-free-hacked Saturn bioses.

[polar geode]

The PSX version of Deluxe pack is equal to the Saturn version more or less, isn't it?

[astral crane]

black screen here too

[zinc vine]

black here too

[untold lintel]

that's not ken

[feral fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[kindred sundial]

This new update is so exciting! Lots of games that didn’t work for me but worked for others in past builds are now booting and with sound! Been a real joy checking out more Saturn games. One of my friends had one growing up but all I played on it was Nights and Panzer Dragoon.

[polar geode]

AFAIK there is no particular reason to play the Konami Deluxe Pack releases on Saturn over PSX

[tough star]

Salamander 😄

[worn meadow]

All the games I tested before that never worked now work on Single RAM including Street Fighter Zero 3 (with 4M ram enabled), Daytona USA, Thunder Force V, Street Fighter Alpha, Cotton, etc. The only game that has not worked so far is X-Men versus Street Fighter. It works fine while playing the title and demo screens but as soon as you start the game, it turns blocky/pixelatd. This is a MASSIVE update yay!

[polar geode]

Outrun still has no traffic on the screen and seems to have suffered a sound regression, but thats the only downside I could find on this release

[errant sand]

holycrapballs, everything is working when it wasnt before

[worn meadow]

I played and beat Cotton with 4M RAM setting enabled and it was perfect. It always froze before on level 1

Thunder Force 5 never worked before and I played several stages, no freezing all perfect 🙂

[next pivot]

No sound problem? Do you know which version is your SD Ram?

[worn meadow]

Grandia still does not work but sorta does? It has dual pixellated video and graphics now lol

I think my SD ram is 2.5? it is older. I got it prolly 2=3 years ago when I got my Mister

[next pivot]

Looks like v2.4 is causing Sounds problems

[worn meadow]

Sound is perfect for me in Thunder Force V

[sacred goblet]

Does Saturn and psx core are working with chd format?

[lusty rapids]

PSX can use CHD
Saturn cannot use CHD

[hidden grotto]

I have actually had more luck with unzipped games too

[thorn pagoda]

er, yeah you shouldn't zip any cd games

[coarse night]

Maybe we should pin a post about games like "In the Hunt" and "Shinobi Legends (X)" which only work if you disable the port#2 controller.

[mortal mist]

ok then which games have a problem with it ?

In the Hunt , Shinobi Legends (X) , Night Striker S - turn off the second controller port - then games start correctly

[coarse night]

Those are the ones i verified..... and that come up here often as not working......

Maybe an entry in the compatibility doc would suffice, if its up to date?

[mortal mist]

the compability list not been updated for months

due to the fact that everyone has different results when testing, as you can see from the posts above , they still occur

[coarse night]

true, then maybe just pin a post with the port#2 issue for these games. I was not aware until very recently and just assumed they did not work for a long time.

[mortal mist]

@hallow fossil can this be pinned for a while ? 🙂

[mortal mist]

Unless it is to be done differently , If anyone has any ideas, please post

[rigid obsidian]

Ooh, it used to be that the Saturn core could only output up to 1080p for me, no 1440p. But on the latest core it gives me a full 1440 now. Awesome.

[thorn pagoda]

yeah i noticed that - frameworks been updated

[paper crest]

The dual ram version is crashing my mister, do we need the unstable nightly main build? Thanks

Still crashing with the new unstable nightly

[paper crest]

Any thoughts would be appreciated

[tawny forge]

rename boot.rom to boot.bin

[paper crest]

Yep tried that

Crashes before I get a chance to select the bios

[tawny forge]

Latest unstable main installed?

[paper crest]

Yep

[mortal mist]

Mister is set to dualsdram mode? Core for Jaguar , psx dualsdram works ok?

With the newest core boot.rom works fine

Boot straight to bios

[tawny forge]

Oh that’s great

Will switch back to boot.rom then

[stiff patrol]

Make sure you have followed this

https://misterfpga.co.uk/dual-sdram-mister-fpga/

[mortal mist]

no more information about the lack of cd_bios

[stiff patrol]

in that guide I posted ensure the switches are correct

I would be willing to bet you didnt flip the switches

[paper crest]

Ok will double check that, thanks all

[hallow fossil]

If you can write a quick descriptive post (i.e. these games don'e work because of X) then sure I can pin it

[paper crest]

Worked, thanks for your help

[mortal mist]

The games In the Hunt , Shinobi Legends (X) , Night Striker S , don't work properly when the second controller port is active. It's recommended to disable the second port.

@hallow fossil

it;s ok ?

[mortal mist]

thanks

[faint flicker]

there were too many messages since last night for me in the channel here.
But we are all at the Same page that the Core still behaves differently between different RAM Versions right?

[tawny forge]

Nope

Most issues are resolved with a core reload

[faint flicker]

ok, Sega Rally worked last build, this build its not working anymore, at least on my system

[mortal mist]

yes , we still have different results when testing

[tawny forge]

Probably unreliable reset

[mortal mist]

especially when it comes to music and sounds in games

but it is already better when it comes to games that run

so it is already very close

I currently have music and sounds in Sega Rally, Wipeout XL, Panzer Dragoon , Panzer Dragoon 2, Nights, Bulk Slash, Virtual On, Virtua Figters games and more

fmv also works perfectly

some people still have problems with music and fmv

[next pivot]

Do you guys have sound with Sega Ages Outrun?

[faint flicker]

interesting, i tried some games yesterday and Astel and Guardian Heroes worked great Sound wise. Sega Rally does not work anymore at all, crashes on boot, Panzer Dragoon 1 works but without Sound (i hear silent cracking when i shoot)

[tawny forge]

@faint flicker what BIOS are you using?

[faint flicker]

the 1.01 Japan BIOS with bin/cue (USA) Version of Sega Rally and in the Core Menu i set the Region to USA

[tawny forge]

Give it a try with "Hitachi Hi-Saturn BIOS v1.02 (1995)(Hitachi - Sega)(JP)(M6)[h].zip"

[faint flicker]

thanks i will, never heard of that bios before 😄

[tawny forge]

It's region free 🙂

[faint flicker]

still at work but will give it a try later

[mortal mist]

Yesterday I tested Sega Rally for an hour, the other games for about 30 minutes and there were no problems with music, sounds, loading

[tawny forge]

I had a sound problem with Radiant Silvergun once, but it was because I was switchin between games a lot without a core reload

[mortal mist]

someone wrote yesterday that there is no music

[tawny forge]

After a core reload, no more sound issues

[mortal mist]

Yes, Radiant works fine , Thunder Force V too 🙂

[tawny forge]

Yep! Thunder Force V used to freeze in the first screen for me before. Now it works perfect too

[mortal mist]

I can now enjoy this core , because before that not much worked well for me

[tawny forge]

I also think that for this to work you'll need USA bios as cd_bios.bin inside the sega rally folder

Otherwise just go with the region free bios I suggested 🙂

[tawny forge]

Same here! 😄

[mortal mist]

of course I know what the situation is and it's core in a very early version

but it;s fun now 🙂

[marble laurel]

https://github.com/srg320/SH/commit/357ccd8b6e116e24ddc0ac8d47e9248bec1a0ac5

[mortal mist]

no way

new commit ? 😄

[faint flicker]

Maybe Robert told him his ancient secret of time travel 😄

[marble laurel]

Update S32X with SH update

[mortal mist]

thank You!

[marble laurel]

i didn't test it for the moment

[sharp dove]

Actually some of them tend to be more accurate to the Arcade-originals than conversions to PSX

Saturn-versions are superior releases basically

[waxen vortex]

What is the "SH" update?

SH 2 (CPU)?

[faint flicker]

that worked! thanks Sega Rally boots now!

[tawny forge]

See? Results are definitely more consistent between users provided same working conditions! 😄

[mortal mist]

Hitachi Hi-Saturn is good 🙂

[tawny forge]

Don't forget to reload the core before diving into a serious game test session, folks! 😄

[waxen vortex]

That is what I have been using all along when I have said Sega Rally boots fine for me.

Has done for months

[mortal mist]

I don't use this bios, and there are no more problems with Sega Rally 🙂 works beautifully

[faint flicker]

But are you using the 1.01 or the 1.02 version of the Hi-Saturn Bios? i realized i just tried the 1.01 Version

[marble lion]

same here

but 1.01 is working for me

[undone oyster]

1.01 hi-saturn works fine for me as well

[waxen vortex]

1.02 as mentioned before 🙂

I even posted the MD5 of it

[tiny flare]

JP 1.01 and Hi Saturn 1.02 seem to work equally well for me with this build

I have region free Hi Saturn though so sticking with that for convenience

[mortal mist]

same here

[waxen vortex]

Same here. But for now I don't run any PAL Games as the Core doesn't have a 50HZ mode yet 🙂

[mortal mist]

I tried Virtual On PAL and I do not recommend it 😄

although that was 2 core backwards 😛

[waxen vortex]

Until we get the 50hz mode 🙂 as it can causes issues such as that 🙂

[mortal mist]

yes , I'm only testing ntsc

I was just curious

I played Panzer Dragoon for a long time yesterday , great game, never gets boring

[waxen vortex]

I did experience an Audio Cut Out from Victory Goal Worldwide Edition (Sega World Wide Soccer). The match starts, commentary started and then nothing. No sound at all.

But by and large things look really good.

[mortal mist]

it's good that you like testing football games , I don't touch them haha

[ripe valley]

If someone could compile the Single RAM build with the SH2 change from today, I could take the Dual RAM compilation in the maybe next 15 minutes.
Thanks.

[tawny forge]

This one, right? "Hitachi Hi-Saturn BIOS v1.02 (1995)(Hitachi - Sega)(JP)(M6)[h].zip"

[marble laurel]

maybe we can asked epsylon to trig it and able to get them from the script unstable

[mortal mist]

I have just started with single RAM

but I have a hunch that something else new will appear 😛

[waxen vortex]

Mine has RF in its title to denote Region Free

[tawny forge]

@waxen vortex this is your bios’ md5 also, right?

[waxen vortex]

Yep 🙂 @tawny forge

hold on no

7ae047df81cd8e2eb86063164a93621c

That is my MD5

[tawny forge]

Whoa

[waxen vortex]

Hi-Saturn v1.02 (JAP-RF).bin

[tawny forge]

Wait

That’s the same md5 I’ve posted lol

[mortal mist]

yeah, the same haha

[waxen vortex]

Dave can't read

I got lost in numbers and letters 😉

[umbral radish]

hi @tawny forge, just been catching up on your testing overnight. Much appreciated. After reading through the comments while I was offline I've replicated all of your testing on Rally, Dayona & Silvergun, but I'm still getting the same results as I did yesterday with no real changes. Super appreciate your efforts though!

[tiny flare]

7ae047df81cd8e2eb86063164a93621c
so, same, for me, unless I too can't read

[tawny forge]

No problem. Just in case, have you checked if the DIP switches on your DE10 nano are in the default/correct position?

[ripe valley]

And sorry for the mention, wark91.
Dual SDRAM build, maybe kuba will have the Single one later.

We're at 93% of the FPGA with that core.

[umbral radish]

I've not fone that for several years, but was something I checked when I first got the de10 so I'm confident the switches are as they should be.

If they weren't I'm sure it would have presented itself as an issue long before now

[marble laurel]

no problem it seems we gain 1% 🙂 previously I have 94% on an old build

[ripe valley]

Highway to the "Danger Zone".

[burnt matrix]

Pardon my ignorance but what’s new with that build?

[wet hull]

SH fix

[wet hull]

Here

[ripe valley]

The MULT module on the SH2 needed a fix, srg320 published it earlier today.
The S32X core is already recompiled and published a little above in the discussion.
I took the opportunity to compile the Dual RAM build as I could be faster than waiting an Unstable script to be launched.
Kuba was compiling the Single RAM build earlier too.

If people wants to test already the change.

[burnt matrix]

Y’all are too kind. Thank for you for the explanations!

[wet hull]

Anyone that wants to verify knuckle chaotix intro and see if it freezes?

[wet hull]

Here is the latest S32X build

[tawny forge]

Do you mind posting your main MiSTer's md5?

Mine is:

/media/fat# md5sum MiSTer
6027389a4a71e193f19581afc7bbb396 MiSTer

That should be the latest unstable

[ancient surge]

Knuckle Chaotix still breaks.

[wet hull]

Thanks for checking

[umbral radish]

This is the md5 @tawny forge
6027389A4A71E193F19581AFC7BBB396

[tawny forge]

Yep. You have the last unstable too

Alright, before putting all the blame in the RAM, let's check your CD images

Lemme DM you

[ancient surge]

Not noticing anything different with the new SEGA Saturn build. The games that don't work still don't work.

[mortal mist]

it's more gfx fix

[umbral radish]

That fine, I'll keep an eye out for the pm

[mortal mist]

single build

Logic utilization (in ALMs) 39,509 / 41,910 ( 94 % )

[ancient surge]

Keep in mind some of it is used for unused features or debugging tools, so he could remove both to squeeze out a little more room on the FPGA.

[burnt matrix]

how are you able to tell?

[mortal mist]

flow summary from quartus

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh that’s cool

Y’all are so smart

[quick sorrel]

I'm a bit out of the loop... does the bios only need to be in games/saturn/ or does it need to be in each individual game folder?

[mortal mist]

bios -> games/saturn/boot.rom

[waxen vortex]

However the core would crash for me if I had it named as boot.rom so I manually load the BIOS in

[mortal mist]

boot.rom works fine now

nothing bad should happen

[ancient surge]

That was fixed in the latest build.

[mortal mist]

The message about missing cd_bios.rom was very annoying

[quick sorrel]

oddly enough my saturn single ram updater only gave me the 19th, not the 20th

[burnt matrix]

I loved it

It felt like I was telling the system I didn’t give a shit it didn’t have a bios and made it play the game through sheer willpower alone

[mortal mist]

and then system takes revenge and games don't work and there is no music 😛

[quick sorrel]

that i saw plenty of times (or the music starts and just when it seemed fine, blammo, gone~)

[quick sorrel]

so with the bios in that location, just boot the .cue from the game folder and alls good?

[mortal mist]

yes, correct

[wise brook]

biblically accurate virtual-on

[quick sorrel]

Thanks 😄 Gonna arrange the folders, bios and try it now

[high bramble]

Hitachi Hi-Saturn BIOS v1.02 (1995)(Hitachi - Sega)(JP)(M6)[h]

Yes, this one's region-free as well. That's what the [h] means in TOSEC's naming convention (hack).

[wet hull]

Cannot find this one

Only find 1.02

[modern dirge]

oh, the h doesn't mean hentai? 😭

[wet hull]

Ok found it

[high bramble]

That is 1.02... of that particular BIOS. 🙂

[quick sorrel]

any hints?

[high bramble]

They've been 'archived'. 😉

[quick sorrel]

oh

[high bramble]

Search for that exact file name. You should be able to find an 'archive' of it.

It's from the TOSEC set.

[quick sorrel]

shoulda searched for the exact file name instead of sega saturn bios

found it real easy this time, thanks!

Here we go~

[burnt matrix]

Ohhh where are we going?

[mortal mist]

to SATURN!

[quick sorrel]

Hitachi Hi-Saturn BIOS v1.02 (1995)(Hitachi - Sega)(JP)(M6)[h] --- renamed to boot.bin, when I load a CUE, it still says CD BIOS not found, am I still supposed to load the bios first and then cue?

[mortal mist]

boot.rom

not boot.bin

if you want boot.bin then you have to manually load it from osd ->load bios

but I recommend boot.rom 🙂

[high bramble]

Yep. boot.rom functionality was recently re-added.

[quick sorrel]

oh crud, missed that, thanks guys

then loading the CUE should work, yes?

[mortal mist]

yes

can you see the bios?

[quick sorrel]

YES! 😄 I renamed it, loaded the core, it showed the Saturn BIOS splash screen, took me to the "no disc in drive" screen, mister menu, selected a cue from a game folder, saw bios, saw game 😄 THANKS!

[mortal mist]

feel the power of Saturn

[quick sorrel]

(just notices that Shienryu is somehow horizontal haha)

[tiny flare]

Ok I played a fair bit of Sega Rally this evening and yeah, it seems like the longer you play the more likelihood of audio hitching or cutting out

[quick sorrel]

I heard a few squelching sounds at the Radiant Silvergun bosses (but i've also turned down the core volume by 2 just in case)

[mortal mist]

it didn't happen to me once with new core 🙂

yes I am shocked haha

[tiny flare]

I had to play through like multiple arcade runs in one sitting and sometimes you might get a hitch

[high bramble]

I tried Sega Rally last night with the new single-RAM build, and couldn't even get audio to play at all. I'll have another go at it when I get home from work. I'm sure I've missed something obvious...

[ancient surge]

No idea why the SEGA AGES ports of Space Harrier, OutRun, etc. regressed so badly with the recent build.

Like, Space Harrier in particular has a weird bug now where the game keeps pausing every time you shoot.

[quick sorrel]

So what's one action or STG that y'all recommend?

[tawny forge]

So it looks like that some RAM modules (specially the ones which are picky with some of the JT cores) are still not 100% compatible with this core.

[tiny flare]

Soukyuugurentai is pretty good

Haven’t tried it on the latest core yet, used to freeze often for me on older builds

[tawny forge]

Which one?

[tiny flare]

The middle one was the image I tried, IIRC

[tawny forge]

Will give it a try! Thanks!

[ripe valley]

I've done some stages yesterday, and it worked perfectly.

[tiny flare]

Awesome

[ancient surge]

-Game Tengoku - The Game Paradise
-Guardian Force
-Batsugun
-Battle Garegga
-Radiant Silvergun
-Twinkle Star Sprites
-Thunder Force V
-Darius Gaiden
-Rayforce/Layer Section
-RayStorm

Really the SEGA Saturn has a pretty healthy selection of STG titles to pick from, so don't be afraid to dig around a bit.

[quick sorrel]

BTW, any idea why Shienryu is horizontal instead of vertical?

[ripe valley]

That list lacks of some Parodius, I'm sad. 😟

[ancient surge]

Oh I could of easily listed more, I just wanted to stick to ten suggestions as a way to ease people in.

[tiny flare]

And there I was trying to pick just one lol

Pretty hard on Saturn

[ancient surge]

One strength of the SEGA Saturn is the strong selection of STG titles to pick from. I can't think of many examples that I would call a straight up dud.

[tall radish]

I just played Space Harrier on my single 128 config, and itc was flawless. What are you running?

[ancient surge]

Funny you mentioned the single RAM build, because I quickly tested that out and it turns out Space Harrier doesn't like the dual RAM build for some reason. Maybe the way the two RAM modules are handled is causing a bottleneck?

[tall radish]

Huh - I'm used to assuming single RAM would get me the weird artifacts

[zinc vine]

Salamander2 works?

[ripe valley]

Nope.

As well as one Parodius games on the specific compilation, you can have sound but no image.

[sudden tusk]

another Saturn drop!!

[marble laurel]

le build auto arrive 🙂

[sudden tusk]

We back on top!

Screw them N64 kids !

[faint flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/game-sack-smelly-gif-11008588

[mortal mist]

[burnt matrix]

oh my good that’s amazing lmao

[burnt matrix]

@polar geode more ammunition for you

[tawny forge]

@umbral radish another build! Please test and report! 🙏

[thorn pagoda]

whats new today? commit message looks the same as yesterday

[mortal mist]

small fix for SH

[faint flicker]

i saw this gif like 3 weeksa go and waited for the right situation 😄

[sudden tusk]

I am currently testing shinning force III

And it still locks up when you try to use a healing spell .. bummer

[tall radish]

And yet another commit?

[sudden tusk]

Shinning in the holy ark still black screen

[ancient surge]

Just do a no healing run then.

[sudden tusk]

Double bummer

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/extreme-gif-8818707

[mortal mist]

I wouldn't expect any spectacular changes hehe

[sudden tusk]

Yeah nahh I value my sanity too much

And rabbit still a no go

Graphical weirdness still persists in the backdrops of groove on fight

[prime hare]

Doh! Fixed.

[sudden tusk]

To be fair they do look alike ..

[marble lion]

oh what happend to the sega ages outrun audio

[sudden tusk]

Lol

[marble lion]

sounds like my alarm going off 😛

[untold lintel]

take that @feral fractal

hehe

@prime hare have you played the arcade SFTM much?

[naive whale]

Drinking my morning coffee…sees new core…oh for fucks sake

[mortal mist]

Nothing new to report

[old pasture]

Nice, another update

Does it just negate the need to mess with inputs?

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale / @old pasture there might be some improvements with the 32X core though 👀

[old pasture]

Thanks

[burnt matrix]

#1046941029296779344 message

I also pinned it in #1096614378968727652

[naive whale]

Interesting

I’m never gonna relax this week am I? Haha

[burnt matrix]

this is how I troll you, I've schemed with all core developers to keep you in a constant state of recording video

[polar geode]

I was unaware of this. How are the PSX Deluxe Pack releases less accurate?

[naive whale]

32x isn’t hard / that can be held a day or two

[sharp dove]

AFAIK, I've noticed this mainly applying to Parodius Deluxe Pack due it being a launch title release: it omits some minor graphics or animations from Gokujyo Parodius (SHOOT-text when approaching a boss is not in PSX + water effects from 2nd level not being transparent are main examples)

Gradius + Salamander Deluxe Packs came later, and have more older stuff so I think they're good - still pondering if to see through them tho

[naive whale]

N64 today, Saturn tomorrow, 32X Friday. Robert just needs to chill a minute for me to pull that off 🤣

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

Batty learns a thing every day

[ancient surge]

PS1 has more limited RAM than the SEGA Saturn, which is why a common trend between the SEGA Saturn and PS1 is the PS1 version cutting out frames of animation in order to fit everything into RAM.

[polar geode]

Im aware. I just didnt think that occurred with the Deluxe Packs

[warped cliff]

oof, just had a hang in Quake

004400

rumble works on DS3, it's subtle though

[mortal mist]

N64 ?

[ancient surge]

Also find it kind of interesting how the PS1 never got any sort of RAM expansion like the Nintendo 64 and SEGA Saturn, even though it was obvious the limited RAM was handicapping developers.

[warped cliff]

haha whoops

[mortal mist]

Haha

[warped cliff]

I haven't tested Saturn quake in a while though

[polar geode]

I never thought about that. Maybe it could have supported that with the rear expansion port?

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-sheen-steamy-smoke-gif-9495044

[sharp dove]

Just me being a decade-old Parodius-nut~

On that note, checked out Hardcoregaming101 quick and yep, Gradius + Salamamder Deluxe Packs are essentially arcade-perfect on both versions - in fact, Saturn-version cannot render Salamander in it's native resolution (256x240) so you're stuck with either pillarbox or stretched display

So actually you're correct that PSX-versions are mostly fine

[ancient surge]

I guess they had more ambitious plans to use that expansion port, but because the PS1 was so extremely profitable that they were never pressured to use it.

[polar geode]

Interesting. I did not know about the Paro thing though thats cool

[sharp dove]

On that end, happened to remember how Jikkyo Oshaberi Parodius PSX omits some voice clips from SNES-version compared to Saturn that keeps them (I.E When you get Twinbee's Option, Announcer says "Funshiin" in SNES and Saturn, but PSX just reuses "Option")

PSX though gets the "Accidents"-feature ("challenge" stages inbetween level transitions from defeating a boss to a "dogfight" phase)

[polar geode]

Hm, so the Saturn version would have limited resolution as well on the Paro pack yes?

[sharp dove]

The resolution for both Parodius DA! and Gokujyo is 288x224 - so I don't think so?

[polar geode]

Oh okay, thats a good thing

[umbral radish]

@tawny forge pretty much the same results with today's core. No change, sadly.

[burnt matrix]

Parodius isn’t good

[sharp dove]

[burnt matrix]

It’s so awesome! Holy shit how did I miss out on this awesome series?

Which ones should I play?

[sharp dove]

Because Konami kept fooling you to thinking they only make Metal Gears or Castlevanias for last few decades since millemium?

[sharp dove]

All of them are good! As I'd say, the games only get better and better. (My faves' Jikkyo Oshaberi with Sexy coming in close second)

MSX Parodius might be a bit of an outlier though due how less it might offer with it's ship variety (all characters use same weapon set) - but historically speaking, it's an important title.

Parodius Portable BTW has an enhanced port of the game - might suggest that collection highly (though I don't like some of the music changes due copyright, boo)

In fact I'd suggest you'd watch this vid where I ended providing good bit of info for the creator:

https://youtu.be/xlFNPp-kHik

I have been sitting on my sad arse for literal years now on pondering when to kickstart my videos detailing the various history and trivia you can gleam from this series (because it reminds me of Proto-Smash Bros or Marvel VS Capcom in a way)

(Video is embarrasingly old so not gonna share a link, I was very young back then and it shows in the "commentary")

Anyway, ahem... back on-topic

[burnt matrix]

Thank you very much, @sharp dove !

[pearl harbor]

So today's new update doesn't really change anything noteable?

[polar geode]

Wait you're GTV????

[sharp dove]

No - just a one-time collaborator for them for that vid - though I'm in their Discord but haven't really visited it for a long time or checked out their content

[polar geode]

Oh okay, sorry XD

Id love to join their Discord tho

[sharp dove]

I wonder if it used to be public, if it still is - (or maybe I got a private invite - it's been years so...)

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-liotta-laughing-happy-lol-gif-15802525

[compact marlin]

chd isnt supported yet right?

[sudden tusk]

I had the complete opposite reaction

[sudden tusk]

Negative

Would be on the release notes if implemented

[pearl harbor]

Awbacon dodging them bullets again today.

[silk vine]

#single 128 v3.0 here, no sound.

[high bramble]

I wouldn't even know how to determine the version of my SDRAM module in the traditional sense. Mine is built in to the first batch of MiSTer Multisystem boards that were sent out.

[untold spear]

was there another update to the controller?

[tawny forge]

It seems to be an update on the SH only

[sudden tusk]

Probably literally since he lives in Chicago

[errant heart]

So Sega Rally works again now, but I'm not hearing any engine sounds. Is that expected? Running the dual RAM build

[mortal mist]

As always, everyone has different results ...

for me works perfectly

[ancient surge]

SEGA Rally Championship works fine in both builds.

[pearl harbor]

It wouldn't be a Saturn core if it wasn't organic!

[untold spear]

i seem to have a rare issue or two swapping through games and cores with saturn, but just reloading fixes

every game i have on my list seems to work perfect

[crimson girder]

I don’t know if anyone else has this problem, so I’ll just mention it. The games that have audio run well but the audio will randomly duck and sound muffled at times.

It’s been like this for a few builds.

Other than that a lot more of the games I want to ply run really well now! Also the text in policenauts is fixed!

[ripe valley]

Time for some Lethal Weapon in SPAAAACE!

Thanks for the test @crimson girder as I wanted to try it once again later tonight.

[untold spear]

i think the only 2 games i saw minor sound issues on were megaman 8 new game cutscene(not opening cutscene, it was fine) and shinrei jusatsushi taroumaru(occasional sound pop)

[tall radish]

The Horde game play is like 100% I think now. FMV audio is desync'd but it works as well. Woot.

[untold spear]

now that i think about it, maybe the megaman 8 one could be a bad image? wonder if people are getting it from the same place

[ripe valley]

I need to test further more with Taromaru, I need to know if the freeze after stage 3 is fixed.

[untold spear]

ah i never got that far

i kinda suck

[ripe valley]

I have the same problem since... always on the core.

[untold spear]

you getting it from archive?

[ripe valley]

I'm one of the original dumpers.

And others at Redump have validated my dump too.

[untold spear]

dumped yourself?

[sudden tusk]

Lol

[untold spear]

probably just the core then

oh uh.. wait

i own the game

and definitely dumped it

[sudden tusk]

Dumped this morning

[untold spear]

👍

[tall radish]

Double Switch is pure FMV. Its sync'd up and plays great. Actually better then the emulator cause you don't have to disable one of the layers.

[crimson girder]

No prob, I think every one on here has their short list of 10-20 games that they test every new update. Policenauts is one of mine.

[untold spear]

im very happy with the state of it now

[tall radish]

Albert Oddysee tells me the cd tray is open.

[untold spear]

try resetting it

or reloading core

[tall radish]

tried both and nothing. I'll have to check my image now.

[untold spear]

ill try it too and see if it works

[tall radish]

it was my image. Reripped and its working now. Thanks.

[supple vine]

Why does the unstable builds channel keep posting builds from the same exact commit?

[drifting frigate]

There was a new dependency commit. SH got rebuilt and it triggerd upstream, I'm guessing. https://github.com/srg320/SH

[mortal mist]

Damn , fourth place in Sega Rally, I got out of practice 🙂

[drifting frigate]

Brother....</hogan>. I feel that. I'm SO out of practice.

[mortal mist]

this game brings a lot of fun

[untold spear]

i can only get like 15th place...

[inner kayak]

After running the updater script, selecting the Core now reboots my MiSTer. Anyone else seeing this?

[drifting frigate]

Oh no. The script is now out of date. Rename boot.bin back to boot.rom for the last...two? cores.

It still shouldn't reboot though.

[inner kayak]

I updated the script last week, is there an even newer one?

[drifting frigate]

Not yet, I'm guessing.

The boot.rom thing is pretty new.

Oh, does it not grab latest unstable MiSTer? I don't think it's required, but it's specifically designed for the sat core changes.

So that might help.

I don't use the script at all and have no idea how quickly the update turns around on changes.

You need #unstable-nightlies message
and then rename boot.bin back to boot.rom.

Try again after that and see what happens.

[inner kayak]

actually, now the MiSTer won’t boot even after good power on

[drifting frigate]

Oh. Uhhh. Unseat/reseat the SD card?

[inner kayak]

Nope. No sgimsl at all over HDMI now

[drifting frigate]

You won't get signal until the SD card loads the OS, so usually this means something got corrupted on there. Do you have a second SD card you can try fusion on just to see if it will boot? Don't wipe your current card just yet.

What lights are you seeing on the MiSTer?

[untold spear]

which IO board? isn't by any chance the retrocastle one

probably sd corruption, but the retrocastle board also uses a fuse that can sometimes burn for whatever reason

easy fix though

[errant heart]

Everything else seems to be working just fine. I get co-driver announcements and even the wastegate sound when I lift off the throttle

[naive whale]

Ends up I won after all. But I’ll do a testing vid soon!

[mortal mist]

and absolutely no music ?

[drifting frigate]

Oh that's rough. Better than blowing another component, though (I'm assuming surface mount, not just plug in a new one).

[untold spear]

nah its made so you can just pop in a new one

even usually comes with a spare

just in case it happens

think its there to protect the board and de10 from weird usb-c power options among other things

[drifting frigate]

OK, that's badass.

Having the foresight to do that.

Looks like he's got the MisterAddons aluminum case though. Is it compatible with that board?

[untold spear]

nope

so not retrocastle

MARIO was having that issue and figured it was worth mentioning even if it wasn't the case

[drifting frigate]

It's good info. Thank you!

[ripe valley]

Did you transfered the Unstable MiSTer with FileZilla ?
The standard transfer mode on that program is on ASCII instead of Binary, and the "MiSTer" file is corrupted through the process.
You need to transfer it with Binary mode, otherwise the MiSTer system won't boot correctly anymore.

[stiff patrol]

or just use WinSCP and never have the issue

[untold spear]

and ye retrocastle is great. i usually recommend to friends who want one to go retrocastle or misteraddons

depending on shipping costs lol

whichever is cheaper at the time as both are good quality

oh and another game i tested for a few hours last night. baroque

the translation

i intended to only test it for a few mins

but ended up playing for like 3 hours

no bugs in the 3 hours of playing

game is quite fun.. and really weird

[mortal mist]

I am completely absorbed by saturn core for now