Sega Saturn

[glass aurora]

that makes sense then that they mention it on misteraddons, but say it's in early testing. that's why I wanted to check here first before I pulled the trigger on anything.

[burnt matrix]

From my initial testing, every Saturn controller I had worked perfectly.

[sudden tusk]

Where muh SEGA FAM AT! ?

https://tenor.com/view/letsgetiton-dmx-gif-21096087

[kindred peak]

Hello, Taco.

[sudden tusk]

Sap dawg

Here praying for srg to bless us with a new build know WHUT I’m sayeen

[kindred peak]

When he's ready and able, I'm sure he will.

[sudden tusk]

https://youtu.be/6CqXgs-7ico?si=2EbVgi05dXqkhKY4

[tiny flare]

always here, just patiently waiting for developments

[zinc flume]

is the saturn core close to an official release? i know its getting better by the day

[pearl harbor]

It isn't. Way too many games don't work or have issues. I'd be surprised if it has an official release within the next 12 months. It's in like an alpha or pre-alpha state.

[zinc flume]

ah gotcha

i just want update_all to grab it or downloader because im lazy

lol

[pearl harbor]

And keep in mind, the core developer lives in a war zone. Every time he updates the core, it's a relief that he is still well.

[zinc flume]

yeah im definitely aware of that, love the work

[pearl harbor]

That said! For the games that do work, a lot of them are damn near perfect. And with saving now part of the core, you can enjoy quite a bit with it in its current state.

[burnt matrix]

Maybe another 6 months to a year we’ll be looking at a final release

[zinc flume]

i have a mistercade on an astro city - so im very excited to see all the great progress. i couldnt do what he does under the best of conditions so all his work is much appreciated

current lineup

[pearl harbor]

If you're looking for any game recommendations, Robby highly recommends Magic Knight Rayearth! He loves the art style.

[zinc flume]

id like to give that one a shot. so many great Saturn experiences so little time. havent even played the grandia translation yet

[pearl harbor]

My personal favorite Saturn game is Dragon Force. Incredible strategy game.

[tight zinc]

lies - that game has at least 3 polygons

[kindred peak]

Put yourself in time out.

[zinc flume]

anyone else not able to boot the new saturn single ram night unstable?

i just get a black screen and the osd wont come up

[mortal mist]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

Load bios manually

[zinc flume]

boot.bin how do i load manually? like load the bios bin then the game?

[mortal mist]

Yes option load bios

[zinc flume]

awesome ill try that ty

[pearl harbor]

Once the core is finished, I'm going to miss helping people with the black screen OSD won't come up issue. It will be the end of an era. 🥹

[tiny flare]

one day we will all be able to play Sega Rally without getting a white screen or resetting a bunch of times, then it will truly be the end of an era

[burnt matrix]

That’s me today

[drifting frigate]

As one of the blessed few, I just got to play a bit with my old 3D pad (that I dug out for N64 testing, of all things) and I am kicking myself for not using it earlier. Never played Rally on it, but it's super nice.

[tiny flare]

damn it lol, I wish I could just send Sergiy my ram, apparently yeah he knows about the issue but can't repro it on his setup

classic "It Works On My Machine™️"

obviously don't blame him at all given the circumstances

[pearl harbor]

I'm also one of the bessed few who has no issues getting Sega Rally to run! 🎉

[burnt matrix]

That’s because we have accepted into our hearts

[pearl harbor]

I know I said no forgiveness earlier, but damnit Robby...

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-man-paul-rudd-peter-klaven-ily-i-love-you-gif-5204164

[ivory kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/bass-band-paulrudd-rock-instrument-gif-18969517

[sudden tusk]

It’s so uplifting seeing the sega fam come together

[tidal raptor]

https://fxtwitter.com/playsegasaturn/status/1701062499582554155 new Saturn translation release (I have no idea if the game works on the core though, not sure if anyone ever tried it)

[drifting frigate]

It works!

Stabbystab

The patch takes ages to apply, so if you're doing it and think it's halted, just wait.

(also requires .net core 5.0 for SaturnPatcher and it requires the version in the post. It won't auto install it for me on Win 11, so I had to manually grab it from Microsoft)

OK, doesn't quite work actually.

Some of the video just shows the first frame and freezes, but the audio plays and the game progresses. Major video changes play though. Just post-choice video seems to hang.

[fallen terrace]

Put the 21pin Fenrir switcher into my HiSaturn so I can now use the optical drive to play all those FMV CDs that I don't own!

[tidal raptor]

I never gave much look at the mpeg card for Saturn but, it really does improve the video quality a lot for some stuff. Super wild

[tiny flare]

I wonder if the core will support that, would be pretty neat if possible

[kindred peak]

It would give the MiSTer a core capable of VCD playback. That would be cool.

[kindred peak]

I had that ad hanging on my bedroom wall at one point. 😄

[burnt matrix]

With Bug! on the top right? Hell yeah.

[kindred peak]

So have any of you that are new to the Saturn spent time with games like Clockwork Knight yet?

[burnt matrix]

Yup!

[kindred peak]

Sega was willing to make any game so long as it wasn't Sonic. 😅

[wise brook]

which is fine

I dig that all 4 sega generations have distinct icons and mascots

although, I think it would have made good business sense to make Astal a Knuckles game.

just a little pallet swapping and a fresh fmv and voila!

[kindred peak]

But then we would've been robbed of the beauty of Astal. 😔

I enjoyed the new crop of games at the time. The audience was aging, so getting away from perceived "kiddie" stuff was welcome.

Gex was my edgy mid 90s mascot of choice

[topaz mica]

they just couldn't help themseleves though...and released Sonic R 🤮

[kindred peak]

Every cloud has a silver lining... we got "Supersonic Racing" memes out of it. Plus that Game Hut YT channel from the Travellers Tales founder.

[subtle tusk]

I remember being unimpressed with Clockwork Knight at the time but that was probably just me buying into the 3D hype.

[drifting frigate]

It's pretty ok. Speaking of Traveler's Tales, it feels a lot like Toy Story in many respects (not just that it's about toys). Solid little platformer series.

[kindred peak]

Clockwork Knight and Skeleton Warriors are kind of interlocked in my brain. Early examples of 2.5d and devs trying to figure things out.

The stage rotating as you rounded a corner in Clockwork Knight was a neat new trick.

[burnt matrix]

I think Clockwork Knight is an ok game that was buoyed by fancy 3D graphics. They really did nail the “Toy Story” aesthetic which I appreciate. I just feel like the gameplay really doesn’t do anything remarkable and movement feels stiff and slow.

[kindred peak]

Absolutely. It felt like the team had a heap of inspiration and a new system to mess with. Toy Story, Donkey Kong Country, etc... they're all in there. But the gameplay just didn't get to where it needed to be.

Edit: just looked and CW did come out before Toy Story hit theaters. Interesting timing.

[drifting frigate]

My favorite thing about CK is the main character's name.

(But I also literally buy a pickled pepper just because it's called Peppadew....then I walk around the house saying it incessantly. Maybe I do have some issues I need to work through....)

[drifting frigate]

Holy shit! I did not know that....honestly that makes CK a lot more interesting.

[kindred peak]

Yeah. Wild, huh? They were both 1995 in the US, but 94 in Japan. Putting it out a nearly full year prior.

[drifting frigate]

🤯 <-- for real. I always assumed it was inspired by it. Awesome!

[leaden dagger]

More than just aesthetic it feels like a spiritual successor to Toystory on SNES/Genesis

clunky weird

[kindred peak]

I haven't hooked up a Saturn in a while. Seeing all the talk in this thread has me wanting to spend some time with it.

[leaden dagger]

not great feeling

but really charming

[kindred peak]

And yet it came out BEFORE the Toy Story games on Genesis and SNES.

[leaden dagger]

Weird

maybe the other way around then

Goes to show how overlooked the saturn was

[kindred peak]

There's a lot of cool and weird stuff on the Saturn.

[leaden dagger]

I admit I'm not really a saturn fan

But there are games I love for Saturn

so it always made me wonder if I should get one

The Panzer Dragoon games
Shining Force 3
Deep Fear

Clockwork Knight

[kindred peak]

Very few of them were appreciated in their time.

[leaden dagger]

but if the Saturn Core ends up stable I don't feel I'll ever need one

[tall radish]

unfortunately because saturn games are rare, youre gonna be paying an arm and a leg for most physical copies

this saturn core is a godsend haha

[leaden dagger]

Ah yeah but I'd just put in an ODE

[tall radish]

yeah thats what ive done in the past

[leaden dagger]

The truth as to why I don't get many retro hardware stuff is space really

[tall radish]

same, i had a hitachi hi saturn ode setup

but i got tired of scart cables, switches upscalers etc

[leaden dagger]

I got all my old consoles but they're in storage
Maybe the one I'd absolutely mod is my Dreamcast
I need to build my Mister (got delayed due to life stuff... and not enough ports on my PC monitor

[tall radish]

i mainly got the mister for neo geo and pc engine stuff, but this saturn core is such a bonus

i do have my snes, ps1, ps2 n64 and megadrive connected to my retrotink 5xpro tho

that thing is amazing

[leaden dagger]

Same I bought my parts (Mister addons case) for Neogeo and PS1

[tall radish]

i have a ps1 with an xstation and memcard pro, its pretty much the best experience you can get

[leaden dagger]

I always wanted to ask
What is disk switching like on xstation

[tall radish]

its super easy

you just que up the disks, when you get to the second disk you just open the lid and close it and it switches automatically

[leaden dagger]

cool
If I am ever to mod my PS1, I'll do that then

[tall radish]

its worth it, the hardest part is lifting the cpu pins

[leaden dagger]

Oh I am terrible at that. Despite being an artist, my hands are not well trained enough for that filigree of work
I would probably save up and drop the money for a modder to do it for me

[tall radish]

i did it myself, i have some jewler's glasses for magnifying stuff

if you get a dental pick and just go slow its not too bad

[leaden dagger]

my thoughts now is do I wait for retrogem to drop

[kindred peak]

My modded PS1 has a PSIO...

I chose poorly 😅

[tall radish]

i had a psio as well, i hated it

the draconian way they manage their firmware

and it still got cracked

[leaden dagger]

Didn't they go after the crackers and basically forced them into taking it down

[kindred peak]

The window for anyone else wanting it has passed. The MiSTer core is a soothing balm for that particular burn.

[tall radish]

yeah i bet looool

ive never run into an issue with the xstation

[untold spear]

id actually say ps1 is better on mister than real hardware. love it

[kindred peak]

None of my PS1 consoles have left their plastic prisons since the core hit.

[tall radish]

thats how i feel about the saturn

once this core is done

[untold spear]

its basically a ps1 without any chance the disk reader will fail, an optional cache, read speed options, save states, mem card for every game, hdmi capable, rgb capable, cheat device capable

[drifting frigate]

"Playstation is my favorite atari.: - Shaggy Miyamoto, president of Coleco
https://media.giphy.com/media/kUONsIZh9DP0aaZ4It/giphy.gif

[untold spear]

its got it all

[kindred peak]

24 bit rendering is the quiet hero for me. Dithering on large HDTVs is... painful.

[untold spear]

hoping saturn gets to that eventually

[tall radish]

i think it should, this core's progressing pretty fast

[kindred peak]

I'd love if the Saturn core was capable of converting dithering to transparency. I have no idea how feasible that is, but I'd be fine with a composite blending option similar to the Genesis core.

The Saturn was similar in that it counted on composite to fudge things. The windows in Sega Rally are a great example. As are the way power-ups and shadows work in Off-World Interceptor.

[untold spear]

that would be composite blend

some have it

adaptive

[leaden dagger]

I think that's an important distinction
I've seen some people in YT comments get frustrated on videos tracking progress and its like... This is... incredibly fast. What do you want

[kindred peak]

Indeed. It's a good solution to the problem.

[tall radish]

yeah its not easy for one person to rebuild an entire console on different hardware lol the fact that most of the library is working now is nuts

[leaden dagger]

Yeah I think its... unfair expectations from the PS1 and N64 core

[tall radish]

when i got my mister setup people were saying the saturn n64 and dreamcast werent ever gonna be possible ol

[stiff patrol]

dreamcast isnt on a DE10

[leaden dagger]

I think he's referring to the prep one dev is doing on a core for future hardware. I don't think dreamcast will ever be possible on this platform, but I do think it will be on a more pore powerful one

[tall radish]

yeah, that

https://youtu.be/gD8ID9P_Drs?si=j_Vopxvc8wGY2BTY

[stiff patrol]

thats just an overly hyped You tuber. Electron Ash said he is doing preliminary work

not working on a core

[tall radish]

yeah thats what the video covers pretty much

[stiff patrol]

The problem as you go to later generations is the complexity ramps up and up. Its getting to the stage where one person cant cope with it all solo

[kindred peak]

Heh... Bacon did go pretty clickbait with that thumbnail. 😀

[stiff patrol]

no worse than the Mars FPGA posting videos of CPS3

[kindred peak]

...

Bleh. That thing...

[stiff patrol]

well both videos are the same

pure hype for hype sake

[kindred peak]

I dunno... VGE is really clear in his DC video above about what's actually happening.

MARSfpga is just being vague and weird to build hype around... something. They won't talk.

[stiff patrol]

yep I was just non plussed around the hype that was generated by one dev saying he was having a look and had a preliminary graphic viewer

[kindred peak]

Understandable. Given that most folks don't appreciate the time all of this takes. Especially when it's purely for fun.

[tall radish]

yeah i think thats pretty apparent that there's not gonna be a working dreamcast core, i havent seen anything about the marsfpga tbh

[winter phoenix]

Toy Story nailed the Clockwork Knight aesthetic

[sudden tusk]

Even some of the characters are similar like bo beep and the princess in clockwork knight

[kindred peak]

Crazy, right?

[sudden tusk]

Very similar designs bro .. so cray

[kindred peak]

It’s all just timing. Toy Story was in development for YEARS. Unless Sega Japan had someone copying homework on the inside, it’s just one of those universal coincidences.

IIRC from an interview, the original CW game went from concept to “finished” in a year.

So figure January of 1994 was when they started on it.

[sudden tusk]

I think it’s just coincidence ..

CG animation was in its infancy and it doesn’t surprise me a lot of artist hit on the same aesthetic ..

[wise brook]

you beat me to it

[kindred peak]

In fairness: I beat you both to it earlier. 😛

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-grr-gif-14857700

[kindred peak]

Let us, the battered and abused fans of Sega, not turn on each other in competition. Instead, we should celebrate the wars we survived to arrive at this point. 🤣

We’re still cooler than those Nintendo kids.

[sudden tusk]

In all fairness I was playing this like a month ago and my wife asked me if I was playing a Toy Story game ..

It was than that I saw the similarities

[kindred peak]

In all fairness...

Shut up. 😄

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-excuse-me-oh-yeah-gif-18904196

[kindred peak]

Love you, 🌮

[tall radish]

i cant get into clockwork knight, the music just ruins it for me

scud the disposable assassin tho

[burnt matrix]

Nice Wikipedia edit!!!

[kindred peak]

Big Clockwork Knight telling lies.

[burnt matrix]

lol holy shit I forgot the Saturn was 94

Woooow

I was still playing SNES while y’all were driving in Daytona

[tall radish]

i never had a saturn, traded my snes for a launch ps1

but my neighbor got one, so i would go over to his house and play panzer dragoon

[pearl harbor]

It's getting spicey in here!

[hearty carbon]

I worked my ass off all summer to get a Saturn and then my grandpa just bought me one as a reward for getting the money together on my own. First thing I ever really saved up mowing grass and doing helper jobs for roofing to buy on my own when I was 12.

[winter phoenix]

pls!

[tiny flare]

Turns out when all you have is early phong shading that creates plastic looking materials, it’s best to just lean into that

[polar mountain]

I convinced my dad to buy a Saturn while we were on holiday in America. Back in Ireland when we plugged it in it blew up.

[burnt matrix]

LOL seriously

[pearl harbor]

Your profile pic is your Saturn when you turned it on.

[polar mountain]

It was a bad day

[kindred peak]

What a bummer.

[lusty rapids]

North America and Japanese devices can't handle all the sparks the rest of the world puts out

[tall radish]

yeah voltages were different back then

[lusty rapids]

pretty sure they're still different now, just more things tend to have multi-voltage PSUs these days

[sudden tusk]

Sorry probably shouldn’t have laughed

[high bramble]

"yeah voltages were different back then"
Yep. You have to adjust for inflation today.

[polar mountain]

Nah man of course you should laugh. 13 year old me wasn't laughing though.

We actually inadvertently stumbled upon the surprise Saturn launch day over there.

[flat sedge]

There is also a Amiga port out. Plays well 😁

[burnt matrix]

How is that J.B. Harold game?

[drifting frigate]

It doesn't quite work on the core.

But it mostly works.

And it's....exactly what you'd expect out of a cheesy hard boiled detective FMV from the late 90s.

(Video that should play after making a decision doesn't...it doesn't start playing again until the scene switches back to cut scene mode....verified that's not the expected behavior with a YT walkthrough).

[tulip tiger]

Does Sega Rally actually works on the core? I tried both japanese "plus" version and the o.g US, it hangs in the white screen before the logo "Sega Rally Championship!"

[sudden tusk]

Try reseting

[tulip tiger]

hmmmmmmmm! Okay, I'll give a try, thanks

[daring spear]

Does anyone know off hand if the latest beta saturn core supports CHDs currently?

[lusty rapids]

it does not

[daring spear]

Thanks, bin/cue then?

[lusty rapids]

yup

[daring spear]

Can they be compressed with 7z, or need to be extracted first?

[lusty rapids]

extracted

bare bin/cue in their own directory per game

[naive whale]

I’ve only ever played in in Japanese on 3DO and it was exactly what you’d want it to be

[old pasture]

Weird one, my Single RAM core won't boot, I'm on latest unstable too 🤔

[high bramble]

When was the last time it successfully booted?

[old pasture]

I'm not sure, if I ever booted on this SD card. This may be a new SD.

I'm troubleshooting now.

Right now I get a black screen, and keyboard is unresponsive

[high bramble]

Have you renamed /Games/Saturn/boot.rom to /Games/Saturn/boot.bin and tried loading the BIOS from the OSD before loading a disc image?

At some point that changed. I had that problem too for a while.

[old pasture]

My SD corrupted a few weeks ago, so I bought a new one for unstable stuff

No access to OSD. I'll double check Bios now. Thanks

[old pasture]

Haha, thanks. I'm an idiot (certified), it was incorrect bios name.

Sorted

Thanks

[high bramble]

Awesome! 🙂

[old pasture]

☝️this guy is

[pearl harbor]

The beloved bios name issue. Our arch nemesis since early summer.

[high bramble]

Seemed like an odd change to happen... but oh well. At least there's a workaround.

[old pasture]

I honestly thought I renamed it when setting up my new SD.
So glad @high bramble mentioned it. It probably would have been the last thing I checked lok

[stiff patrol]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

it in the Faq

[old pasture]

I know, just an oversight.

I set the SD card up, and then tested nothing but N64 for 2 weeks

It was a nice change playing some Saturn earlier

[naive whale]

Saturn is still the best

[kindred peak]

It's out there.

[old pasture]

Hopefully, I'll have this uploaded soon

[drifting frigate]

Lethal Weapon....IN SPAAAAAAAACE!

[trim nimbus]

Does anyone know if Fist works?

[astral crane]

yes, it does

[trim nimbus]

I get the feeling Robby would like it 😆

[ancient surge]

Seifuku Densetsu Pretty Fighter is a fighting game that exists.

Fist is a pretty great psychological horror game though.

[pearl harbor]

Not fat baby enough.

[burnt matrix]

lol

There’s this weird fighting game called elan doree

I didn’t spent enough time with it to appreciate the game but it was weird

[pearl harbor]

You should play Pocket Fighter and Virtua Fighter Kids. Lot of fat babies in those games!

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, who thought it was a good idea to take a good fighting game with awesome sprites and polygon models and just ruin it

At least with pocket fighter they made it funny

[winter phoenix]

Why? I don’t see any trains there

[burnt matrix]

preach

[errant sand]

so sad, none of these games work 😦

rasm frasm memory

huh.. die hard works so thats cool

[burnt matrix]

yeah it’s a bit hit or miss but most of the games seems to be functioning which is exciting

[errant sand]

i think ive got the dodgy ram, i cant get any of the racing games running

[burnt matrix]

Maybe not, the core is finicky with ram timings at the moment

[errant sand]

yea, other cores are good... so far...

and sega rally used to work! i cant remember the build

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/AGWwV8roXPU

Its Saturnday

[kindred peak]

Pandamonium x VGE core when?

[burnt matrix]

When the ngage core drops

[kindred peak]

Worst version of COD, here we come!

[pearl harbor]

Insert Captain Picard engage GIF.

[tall radish]

Hey got a question, when I play certain games on my mister like virtual fighter or fighting vipers the resolution shrinks and the screen becomes a smaller window anyone know why that would be ?

[drifting frigate]

Those are interlaced 'high res' I think. Could be related.

If you have integer scaling it will have to drop a multiplier and fit will probably change.

I can test in a half an hour or so. Match screen height may help if that's the case. I'm just speculating.

[tall radish]

word, I’ll check out the settings

it’s not a huge deal breaker but it’s kinda annoying since that’s the only system it does it on

[hoary sable]

Not having a lot of luck with single DRAM. Panzer Dragoon Zwei is listed as working but even if I mash the start button to skip the opening FMV, it hangs after fading to black. Is there a way to know if my 128mb module is incompatible? e.g. would any of Jotego's SDRAM tests help understand if my memory is not capable of the necessary timings? Other cores (N64 WIP, NeoGeo, CPS2, etc) have worked fine with the module for the past several months so I don't suspect it to be outright faulty or anything.

[drifting frigate]

Memory from Antonio Villena (4chips on one side) doesn't work for sure. Some people have bad luck if they have memory that tests below 142MHz. Storage can also cause issues.

Wired network is the fastest and has given me the fewest problems.

Everything else is USB 2.0 speed.

[hoary sable]

2 chip version, first chip tests stable at 142mhz, second chip can go up to 150mhz.

[drifting frigate]

The core is oddly organic, so there's also just "nothing is going to for sure work for everyone" which can frustrate folks, but is just the state of it. I have 4 MiSTers in my possession right now (three are for various rooms, one is a gift....but Bilbo energy is coming off of it....why shouldn't I keep it!) and literally ONE works well for the core.

And it's a single ram build.

The world makes no sense.

[hoary sable]

With both chips, the auto test settles into a positive result around 143mhz, but I would hope that it's relatively stable at 142mhz. Hopefully as the core matures some of the timing sensitivity will get ironed out. I'm pretty optimistic, and in any case just so jazzed to see it get even this far! 😄

Digital logic in an analogue domain makes no sense. But then again that's why I wanted to be a programmer, not an electrical engineer.

[subtle tusk]

It's very funny that the N64 core has its own forum in the official MiSTer message board after playing games for a month but Saturn does not after over a year.

3DO needs a core so there will be a mid-90s console core less loved than Saturn.

[kindred peak]

Edgy 90s kids don't need a forum to discuss how great it is. We're underground, dude.

[polar geode]

Should have been 3D0 to represent the value of its game library

[kindred peak]

holds CIB copy of The Deadalus Encounter shhhh... don't listen to her

[polar geode]

Holds up plumbers don't wear ties. With a long pair of tongs and a gas mask

[quaint dove]

That's because it's period accurate and you have to get the Saturn stuff from Japan.

[dire tree]

3DO deserves a core, with turbo/overclock

[inner kayak]

ok, I've gotten the region free bioses. I renamed the USA one to boot.bin, I set boot.bin as the BIOS in the settings menu, the region in setting is set to USA

[dire tree]

i think you should use the official bioses

[inner kayak]

I then set the .cue file in the Alien Trilogy directory

and it still just pops me into the BIOS screen, no game

[dire tree]

if you want region free... I think Hitachi bios is region free

[inner kayak]

if I let it sit for 10 minutes at the "cehcking disc", it never detects it as a game disc

[dire tree]

hacked bios probably causes issues

[inner kayak]

that is not what is in the backlog of this channel

and not what I was told directly by @tough star when I had this same issue with original BIOS files

[dire tree]

carry on then

[pearl harbor]

I've used the Hitachi bios, and it does indeed work and is region free.

I've also used the Japan and US bios and they also work great, you just need to manually change the region.

[sudden tusk]

I have used the recommended bios from the moment of core inception ..

[pearl harbor]

You need to experiment more my Dragon Force brethren!

[sudden tusk]

It’s the same bios you got my dawg …

The hi-Saturn bios …

[polar geode]

Any of the region hacked ones are handy

[mortal mist]

be ready

OMG!

it's probably that time my friends!

[lusty rapids]

rework ram controller sounds promising

[mortal mist]

[willow pawn]

Its to something unrelated?

[mortal mist]

dualsdram still in building

[willow pawn]

Its the sys update

Its not the sdram update

If you want the new build you can grab the old commit and manually add the sdram one to it

New commit just dropped

[mortal mist]

hehe yes

let's wait 🙂

[wet hull]

He forgot to add VGA_DISABLE port

And he just added it 🙂

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/414b2547e7cb59f5c92cf1b0af4e15c5077e10cc

[mortal mist]

yeah

In about 50 min core will be ready

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/d4762f2a64845c6050d2229bf694648dfd3030f6

changes are for sdram , I wonder if anything will improve 🙂

[flat sedge]

Seems timing’s related things. As sdram1 is in both cores, i would expect that both cores get better. But why only one controller and not both? Perhaps the beginning of the ending for two versions ?

[mortal mist]

maybe the second one does not play such an important role ?

[flat sedge]

I don’t know, but can be

[marble lion]

i used the saturn script and i got the 23.09.15 release just now

[lavish wadi]

31 minutes left Kuba…tick tock 🤣

[mortal mist]

will be newer

[lavish wadi]

Seriously? Single and Dual?

[lavish wadi]

Thanks Kuba

[mortal mist]

• add missing port

[warm ledge]

Sorry Kuba, what this can mean?

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[flat sedge]

Seems I was wrong

Only dual ram

[mortal mist]

nah single is in progress

[tawny forge]

Whoa

[lavish wadi]

Has the Dual completed building already? Looks like you had it in process, but then looked like other changes hit. Does that one need to be rebuilt?

[mortal mist]

dualsdram is in progress

[tawny forge]

Promissor update for those with random problems with certain games

[tawny forge]

Hopefully it will fix sega rally white screen here 🙏

[lavish wadi]

Praying for Shinobi

[mortal mist]

dualsdram

build form github

[flat sedge]

Wonder how small is the core size compared to n64 core 😁

N64 is 50% more in size

[mortal mist]

saturn 4,5mb , N64 3,5mb

when it comes to file size 🙂

[flat sedge]

Link Shows 2.18MB

[mortal mist]

ZIP

[flat sedge]

😂

[hollow pier]

sega rally 🥲

[tawny forge]

Oh no 😔

Well, maybe he’s still getting stuff ironed out

Hopefully in the next update 🙏

[flat sedge]

Rome wasn’t also built in one day 😁

[hollow pier]

im sure if you leave it on that white screen it does eventually load

[lavish wadi]

Bummer.. Shinobi still broken here

[flat sedge]

Hope that some games are running better now

[mortal mist]

newer Dualsdram core is available in unstable nightlies now

haha Nights into Dreams doesn't work

at least for me

[flat sedge]

I do some tests with the single ram version today 😁

[mortal mist]

single build

yeah Nights works ok on core 20230828

but not now

🙂

[flat sedge]

So better leave that version also on mister

[mortal mist]

black screen after sega logo

[flat sedge]

Still cd bios not found error?

[mortal mist]

yes

no happy ending today 😄

[lavish wadi]

Well, the sdram1 rework had to be done. I’m just glad the dev is healthy and still plugged into the project 👍

[waxen vortex]

Sorry to keep asking. Which VERSION of SEGA Rally is causing a White Screen issue?

I have tried both the US and Japanese Versions of the Game and it always just works for me.

Again just tried the US version with the latest SingleSDRAM build and it worked straight away. If it helps I use a Region free Hi-Saturn BIOS.

[mortal mist]

as I wrote more than once , for some people it does not work , before it worked , for me it also changed with different cores , recently it is ok

[waxen vortex]

Apologies for continually asking. Am I just lucky then?

Its worked for me for some time @mortal mist

[mortal mist]

I do not change anything in my mister , I use the same set all the time

[tiny flare]

I have tried a bunch of different regions, images and bios revisions and I too have never been able to get past the white screen on Sega Rally

[mortal mist]

So I believe that for some people Sega Rally may not work, because I myself had this problem for a while

[tiny flare]

Haven’t tried todays build yet though

[waxen vortex]

Could it be RAM related?

[tiny flare]

Almost certainly

[waxen vortex]

Mine has always worked when others have said "its not working for me". It does show a white screen for 5 seconds or so but does work for me 🙂

[mortal mist]

Worse if that white screen is infinity 😄

[drowsy hull]

White screen is lack of imagination

[mortal mist]

and black ?

[drowsy hull]

Obviously a screensaver

[flat sedge]

My results was different with the the bios versions. Best for me seems also the highsaturn versions.

[tawny forge]

Hi Dave! Do you mind sharing your bios md5? 🙏

[tiny flare]

still a white screen on latest unfortunately

in fact yeah, this build seems to be a little bit of a regression in a few things for me at least, ie Virtual on now is a black screen, sound is messed up in Sega Ages Outrun

hopefully just a situation where things need to get worse before they get better

[mortal mist]

yes, same here

[ripe valley]

At least Panzer Dragoon and Pocket Fighter have regressed on my system, no more music on these games.

No changes for Rabbit, black screen on the last two versions.

[ancient surge]

Never had issues with SEGA Rally Championship. 🤷‍♂️

[undone oyster]

I noticed a couple of regressions so far

[ancient surge]

Well, actually there is the issue with sound, but you get what I mean.

[mortal mist]

Lucky man 🙂

[ancient surge]

Shinobi Legions now boots without the need for overclocking.

[waxen wren]

Only Powerslave works on my setup 😦

[ancient surge]

Bug! still has the problem of it being fickle with loading the title screen.

[ripe valley]

Too much instabilities and regressions for me after some more tests, I'm rolling back to the previous version.

[ancient surge]

Rabbit still fails to boot.

Shining The Holy Ark fails to boot.

[mortal mist]

I agree , the previous core worked much better

[ancient surge]

Sonic R got sound improvements from the last build.

[subtle tusk]

Having a hard time getting anything at all to run on this latest build, single or dual ram.

Not that the last build ran much better on my MiSTer.

[ancient surge]

This build is a mixed bag for me. Some games got improved, some games got worse. Some are just about the same, for better or for worse.

[polar geode]

Mixed bag for me, but any progress forward is good progress in the long run. And its shows srg is doing well

[subtle tusk]

Hopefully this is a step toward closer timings and less variability between hardware.

[winter phoenix]

No Patreon notes or tweet from Sergiy today

[tall radish]

use the hi-saturn bios. works

[hollow pier]

ill give it a go

[weary palm]

color comp video out is working, take that as a win

sega rally has been a white screen for me since the early releases, switching the bios doesn't fix that

(single sdram)

although not universally .. virtua fighter fails to sync

[pearl harbor]

Sounds like I should probably hold off on this latest build. Well I suppose I could just keep both builds on my MiSTer just to test it out.

[naive whale]

shit how did I miss this lol

@pearl harbor @sudden tusk you always ping me. SHAME on you both!

[burnt matrix]

No one here is complaining, I’m just posting this for lurkers or new people. As a reminder things will break in order to improve - #1046941029296779344 message

[pearl harbor]

Sorry! I only just found out myself! I will hang my head in shame.

[kindred peak]

Sounds like time for a public shaming in the next video to me. 😆

[naive whale]

that is a good idea lolol

[pearl harbor]

The masochist in me thinks this is a good idea.

[drifting frigate]

Burning Rangers voice doesn't cut out now....which makes it totally playable.

You can hear the blast whistle, which was inaudible before.

[sudden tusk]

Working bro

[pearl harbor]

Whoa! The audio seems completely fixed now in Sega Rally! Just did two races with all audio intact and not dropping out! Engine noise, music, everything! First time it's ever happened on my end with the core.

Even the menu music didn't cut out.

That's a huge fix for me.

[mortal mist]

I don't have any sounds or music

silence

[pearl harbor]

Interesting. Just another inconsistency with the core as usual I guess. I'm playing it right now with full audio.

[mortal mist]

sometimes some crackling 🙂

dualsdram and single

[pearl harbor]

Single on my end.

Sega Rally is always the first game I test, because I always want to see if the audio is fixed.

[mortal mist]

sdram 2.9 - 147MHz 🙂

[ripe valley]

I'm between the two of you with my tests, the music works great, but for a minute max.
Instead of 2-3 seconds on previous builds.

And Burning Rangers freezes on the initial save screen on my system (I've tried the Single & Dual builds - and retried with a personal compilation some minutes ago, just in case).

[pearl harbor]

Going to test Cotton 2 next, as that's another game where the music always drops out shortly after starting the first stage.

[ripe valley]

If possible, could someone test Pocket Fighter, as on my side the game doesn't have any music or sound on the introduction after the Capcom logo.

[pearl harbor]

Dang, Cotton 2's music still cuts out on my end. Though it does last longer than it used to.

[pearl harbor]

I'll test it in a bit. Need to add it to my games folder first.

[mortal mist]

Burning Rangers works here

[pearl harbor]

Can't get Nights to load anymore.

[mortal mist]

yeah , same

[pearl harbor]

lol, the audio bug in Elevator Action Returns is still there. Blow up them barrels for maniacal laughter!

[ripe valley]

I will check Nights on my side.

[mortal mist]

haha

[ripe valley]

It regressed for me two builds ago, even if I remove my initial save.

[mortal mist]

on my second Mister with one sdram Sega Rally works with music and sound

for some time

[ripe valley]

Like always, organic.

[pearl harbor]

Face portraits are still messed up in Grandia.

[mortal mist]

there were no changes in terms of bugs in graphics, etc.

sdram , memory

[pearl harbor]

The most organic digital thing ever.

[mortal mist]

and now i have white screen of death before race in Sega Rally 🙂

[amber lichen]

bugs still doesn't work

some other games that used to work for me getting black screen

[mortal mist]

uff Guardian Heroes works 🙂

[ripe valley]

Bug!, Rabbit, Super Tempo, Burning Rangers + regression on sound on games like Pocket Fighter and Wipeout XL on my side.
And now Nights doesn't work on the new build.

But Shinobi-X and Guardian Heroes work on my system.
And SEGA Rally boots after a 3 second white screen.

[polar geode]

Shinobi X froze on intro movie for me

[pearl harbor]

Just tested it. Same on my end.

[ripe valley]

Okay, so there is at least a bug somewhere in the new SCSP controller rework...

[mortal mist]

there is nothing left to do but wait 🙂

[ripe valley]

I will definitively reverse to a previous build and wait for a possible new version in the following weeks/months.

And hope srg320 will stay safe and sound.

[mortal mist]

yes, this, as always, is the most important

[ripe valley]

I've followed the developments of some Saturn emulators back then, the SCSP synchro and inner workings are evil in terms of stability.

Maybe more difficult than some VDP undocumented functions.

[amber lichen]

welp it was an opportunity for me to turn on my mister

I wonder if the new stable mister main might have something to do with it also?

I updated main mister this am

[mortal mist]

nope

[amber lichen]

kk, ty

[pearl harbor]

I'm just keeping both builds installed. If I want to play some Sega Rally, I'll do it on the new build. Everything else I'll stick to the old build.

[old pasture]

Anything significant in the new Saturn core update?

Thank in advance 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Not much. For me at least, Sega Rally's audio is completely fixed. Both in the menus and the races. But others don't have the same result. As is custom with this core. 😅

[old pasture]

Thanks, Ill give Sega Rally a go tomorrow, and see if it has improved sound for me too

[drifting frigate]

For me, Dual Ram is worse (lost all audio in Sega Rally, and now I get the white screen at race load on dual). Single RAM has voice in Burning Rangers that doesn't cut out after 30 seconds, so you can actually use it. That's the big standout for me.

[old pasture]

Thanks Andy

[exotic path]

Is the signal still offset to the left for composite

[drifting frigate]

Yes.

Though 'per game' once you launch games. But its's still offset in BIOS and whatnot for me.

[exotic path]

Thanks, good things take time

[drifting frigate]

Yep!

[warped cliff]

So is this a significant improvement?

[pearl harbor]

Doesn't seem like it.

[drifting frigate]

3D Pad input stopped working on Sega Rally for me. The triggers don't register and it doesn't detect the 3D pad as a wheel, which it always has before. I've tried a number of controllers, including a real Sat 3D pad over Reflex. I remember this working before, but maybe I'm wrong.

(Yes, I've set it to 3D pad in the Inputs)

I loaded the previous core, it worked. Went back, it worked. Spooky Saturn at a distance...

Weird.

[naive whale]

I’ve had a few comments on YT saying the four chip ram MiSTers are seeing a lot of success with today’s core where they used to flat out fail

Which is interesting

[open swan]

That's good to hear. Lemme see his changes. Might be a side effect or might be somewhat intentional. Hard to tell. That would be good for people who already have them.

Oh nice, yeah that looks deliberate to fix it maybe.

[tall radish]

It did for me

On both single and double. The WW 1.02 does bot boot sega rally but the hi-saturn does

[sudden tusk]

Read everyone’s reaction and decided to focus on drinking beer and watching gundam tonight

Love me some universal century ..dawgs!

[quaint dove]

I miss drinking beer and watching Futurama.

Bender was my drinking buddy.

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-bender-futurama-human-wooh-gif-19919438

[quaint dove]

Speaking of Bender

FPGA bending unit when?

[quaint dove]

Is that a gundam or a beer?

[tiny flare]

Which series/film?

[naive whale]

I’ve for years wanted to get a Vassar t shirt and then print on the back “we don’t wrestle dry”

[burnt matrix]

wow, just beat the full English translation of Princess Crown on today's Saturn core update

[polar geode]

Robby stop

[burnt matrix]

lol

[polar geode]

But I give you a 9/10 on that attempt

[burnt matrix]

wow, just beat the full English translation of Tengai Makyou: Daiyon no Mokushiroku, not working on the core though

do I get cool points for that one

[polar geode]

Yes yes, fine

[sudden tusk]

MS team rn

[teal saffron]

is there an update script for the saturn core like n64 or nah?

[burnt matrix]

Yup, it's in the pins. Link to the FAQ - https://vampier.net/Saturn/

right at the top you can select between either update script, single or dual

[teal saffron]

gorgeous, thank you

[naive whale]

You need a custom “shitheel” role

[burnt matrix]

that one is saved just for you ❤️

I'll try out today's core to see how it works for me, given what's been talked about today

[burnt matrix]

audio works great in Sega Rally but then I hit a checkpoint and the announcer just kept saying “checkpoint” over and over agin lol

[visual grove]

it saw how you played and tried to go easy on you

[ripe dune]

Would anybody be kind enough to recommend some Saturn exclusive platformers or RPGs?

Bonus points if it works (even a little) on the core.

[visual grove]

Astal?

[ripe dune]

Wow, it's gorgeous. I feel like the character looks familiar? But I definitely haven't heard of the game. Thanks!

Actually, it kind of reminds me of some of the Archie Sonic character designs. 😅 That might be it.

[visual grove]

yeah that's a pretty game, I owned it back when it came out too

huge beefy colorful sprites

[ripe dune]

Exactly what I was looking for. Appreciate it.

[burnt matrix]

Playing Sonic Jam makes me sad

The Sonic World area is pretty incredible and fun. If they had made a full game in exactly that style that would’ve immediately sold me a Saturn.

[ripe dune]

It was the first thing I started when I downloaded the core a few months ago. A lot of missed opportunities with Sonic, honestly.

[frail token]

I don't know if it was Sonic Jam but I remember seeing an ad for 3d sonic in magazines for Saturn and it had Sonic grinding rails collecting rings in space and I thought it looked badass

[ripe dune]

Sonic Adventure 2?

[frail token]

Nah

Way before sonic adventure

And was for Saturn

It was the first 3d sonic I ever saw

[high bramble]

Most likely Sonic 3D Blast.

[burnt matrix]

Damn Burning Rangers is cool but it looks like the polygons are barely able to keep it together lol

[frail token]

No

I had 3D Blast (and actually enjoyed it) lol

[burnt matrix]

Uhh holy shit, Virtual On is fully playable!!

[high bramble]

For Saturn, that leaves Sonic R, because Sonic Jam was a collection of older 16-bit titles.

When you mention grinding rails though, I immediately think of the Sonic Adventure titles on Dreamcast.

[frail token]

I assume it was Sonic X-Treme?

this looks a lot like I remember just different setting

[high bramble]

I didn't know that game was ever actually released. I thought it was cancelled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_X-treme

[frail token]

It wasn't but that doesn't mean there wasn't a screenshot in a magazine 🙂

[high bramble]

Ahh.. forgot that part. 😄

[frail token]

it's about gotta be X-Treme

[high bramble]

I incorrectly assumed you were trying to recall one that you had played.

[frail token]

nope I just remember seeing it and getting hyped

[high bramble]

Sorry. Yeah, might have been that one. Not too familiar with it myself.

[frail token]

was majorly disappointed with the Adventure games

[high bramble]

Yeah. They never seemed very... Sonic to me.

I mean, they were fun on their own merits... just not in the same way as most of the rest of the Sonic franchise.

[frail token]

very unsonic

[burnt matrix]

@tiny flare @mortal mist Virtual On works on latest dual ram!

[high bramble]

Hey, we're having a conversation here! How rude!

😉

[lusty rapids]

this is one of the few saturn games I own

Virtual On

[high bramble]

That was one of the few that I wanted back then but never bought. Looked wild.

[frail token]

for you

[tiny flare]

Nice, time to break out the twin sticks

[burnt matrix]

Haha sorry, was too excited

[frail token]

You're always too excited

[burnt matrix]

[craggy horizon]

Latest Saturn single sdram unstable build doesn't boot a number of games that boot fine on the previous test build. Just me, or are others noticing the same? Examples: Virtua Fighter 2, Daytona USA. (Yes, I'm also using the latest unstable MiSTer build with both unstable core builds.)

[drifting frigate]

It's SO good. And a ton of fun on the core....one of those flashback nostalgia bombs for me. I'm so glad more people get to experience it now.

[astral crane]

Daytona USA and Virtual Fighter 2 are working fine.

[craggy horizon]

Not on my end. They work on the 20230829 build but not on the 20230915 build.

[astral crane]

I'm using 20230915 build

single SDram

[tiny flare]

Yeah, just scroll up and you’ll see this same story for every single build of the core past a certain point, game X works for some and not for others, there’s definitely some variance between ram timings and the results you get

[burnt matrix]

Virtual Fighter 2 working for me with dual SDRAM

Using HiSaturn bios

[tiny flare]

No VF2 or Virtual on for me with this build unfortunately, but glad some are getting good results at least 😄

[astral crane]

I'm using HiSaturn bios too

[craggy horizon]

I was about to ask which BIOS.

[craggy horizon]

What's the md5sum of your BIOS?

[burnt matrix]

I dunno

[craggy horizon]

Can you please run md5sum on it?

[burnt matrix]

I’ll try tomorrow, already in bed. Sorry

[craggy horizon]

Ah ok

[tiny flare]

I wouldn’t get your hopes up, I and others have tried pretty much every bios revisions, different dumps, fast CIFS storage

Which leaves the one thing most can’t change, the SDram

[burnt matrix]

Oh weird

[craggy horizon]

Indeed, very weird.

No dice even with HiSaturn bios.

[astral crane]

Going on... I'm using the latest MiSTer unstable build

[high bramble]

By now though, the latest unstable is older than the latest stable. 😉

[tiny flare]

Ah, yeah here it was: #1046941029296779344 message

Pretty much confirmed there are timing issues with different memory that unfortunately srg320 can’t reproduce

So I really wouldn’t spend too much effort if something isn’t working for you

In fact most likely this last commit was aimed at that

[pearl harbor]

Youuuu son of a ||person who was once a fat baby.||

[craggy horizon]

Well, would it be helpful to srg320 for those of us who can reproduce the timing issues to run any kind of test core or test rom or other diagnostic to help shed some light on it?

[craggy horizon]

Ooh, that's a really good observation.

[tiny flare]

Maybe, you’d have to ask him I guess 😄

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I’m on latest stable

[coarse night]

no changes for me..... sega rally still shows only the infamous white screen, Virtua Fighter 2 only works reliably with the single ram version, Radiant Silvergun just shows a black screen.....

[mortal mist]

It should also work with the previous core 👍🏻

[burnt matrix]

Well damn, I didn’t know

[tiny flare]

I could get it partially working on the last build - the game boots fine, but arcade mode was a hang in the loading screen every time. Ranking mode would get in game some of the time.

[tall radish]

What’s the easiest way to get the latest stable build, just run update all ?

[mortal mist]

there is no stable core

it;s still alpha stage

#unstable-nightlies message

unstable nightlies or github (after login )

[mortal mist]

update all won't download core which hasn't been officially released

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

here you will find scripts that will download core

[high bramble]

Unless you're talking about the MiSTer main file, then yes. 🙂

[tall radish]

yeah i meant the MISter main file

cool thanks, whats what i was lookin for

[winter phoenix]

Exactly my reaction to Burning Rangers 😆 It’s being held together with bootlaces and luck.

[burnt matrix]

So it’s not the core?

[winter phoenix]

Oh no not at all, haha

100% expected performance

[burnt matrix]

Oh wow they were really pushing the system!

[winter phoenix]

Yeah. It was Sonic Team’s last Saturn game, came out in early 1998. They got pretty ambitious with it, although they seem to have cut a number of features to get it out the door sooner … the Dreamcast was looming at the end of that year in Japan.

[kindred peak]

It's out there.

[polar geode]

Working on a little something for the Saturn folk today

[tulip tiger]

Same. This core has been the same for me for like a year lol, same game that worked/didn't work with same audio/glitches...

[warped cliff]

A year ago, panzer dragoon was barely playable if I remember right

[old pasture]

I just finished capturing footage for a Saturn video. The latest update has broken as much as it has fixed lol

[quaint dove]

So it’s me working on my car?

[old pasture]

If I remember, I'm gonna add this to the latest video

[pearl harbor]

Booted up Sega Rally again just to make sure it wasn't a fluke yesterday where the audio didn't cut out. And yeah I played through the entire arcade championship with no audio issues at all. The game seems perfect to me now.

[waxen vortex]

My Region Free Hi-Saturn BIOS MD5 7ae047df81cd8e2eb86063164a93621c

Never had issues with SEGA Rally but I guess it could be RAM Related?

[kindred peak]

Segata Sanshiro is a Sega rabbit hole worth going in. 🙂

[naive whale]

Saturn vid is ready for tomorrow

with some real DEEP CUTS to end the video lol

hope everyone likes Chicago

[frail token]

Wish I was visiting the area again I'd stop by

[mortal mist]

Did you show all the games that stopped working?

[naive whale]

No. I just mentioned regressions happened so don't be surprised

[mortal mist]

Ok ok

[naive whale]

I try to not highlight what STOPS working, because then the comment section fills up with complaints

unless its a viewer request that stopped working

[earnest jetty]

Yeah, definitely some regressions, sound in particular seems a bit flakier

[mortal mist]

someone will start testing the core and start complaining because you only show things that work ?

[naive whale]

never happens...people comment and say "I tried X and it didnt work. Can you try" and they inquire

but if I show "hey X/Y/Z dont work any more"...less optimistic comments

I like to lead people to curious optimism, not automatic disappointment

[mortal mist]

Good thing I'm up to date 🙂

[pearl harbor]

I tested Top Gear Rally today on the N64 core shortly after playing a bunch of Sega Rally on the Saturn core. And oooof. That game is hella rough compared to Sega Rally.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah. SR is really S+ arcade racing. It's so well done. Even if the graphics aren't arcade accurate, the physics feel really great.

[pearl harbor]

Sega were the kings of arcade racing back in the day.

A shame that whenever they do a new racing game these days, it always seems to be farmed to an outside developer.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah. Rally on Dreamcast is still one of my favorite racers of all time. I need to play it more. I always focus on story games when I have time but I should dust off Rally.

[tiny flare]

I really wish the Dreamcast port didn't use Windows CE...there's no reason they shouldn't have targeted 60 fps like other arcade ports on the console...

[flat sedge]

Strange error in this game. Level need to restart some times, cause lost one Viking. And then this error appears 😁

[polar geode]

https://x.com/goddamnbathead/status/1703180139771937046?s=20

goddamnbathead (@goddamnbathead)

WIP. Need to tweak the track pregaps, and retime the vocals in stage 1's bgm track.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 10:52 PM

[old pasture]

Managed to add him to thumbnail and multiple times in vid

Edit - typo

[naive whale]

Top Gear is like the Kirkland brand Sega Rally

[drifting frigate]

"When our best is good enough, we're the brand for you."

[drifting frigate]

There's no modern SNAC build, right? I think I remember there being one last year at some point, but I don't think it's been getting built (and I may have just made it up like that time I made up the state of Westconland). I'm just wondering if the weirdness with my 3D pad and reflex is the core or the adapter. It's like the triggers aren't analog. So games that use them as a standard button work, but anything that uses the range doesn't.

[inner token]

no I need to do a new build, there was a few changes in the usb controller code, so I need to rework the snac code a little.

which of the recent saturn builds are best?

[drifting frigate]

Technically the newest one probably because it supports more RAM modules.

You are a hero!

[burnt matrix]

Oh my god, I’ll finally be able to use my Virtual On twin sticks. @inner token is a legend!!

[naive whale]

I was over at a friends house and they had Kirkland whiskey. I was so confused

Like sure you got a 1.75L bottle for $30. But at what cost to your enjoyment

[high bramble]

"I’ll finally be able to use my Virtual On twin sticks."
Wonder Twin powers, activate!

[untold lintel]

their bourbon is made by george dickel

[naive whale]

It tasted like it was made by Mr Boston

[drifting frigate]

OK, there's no way I'm not laughing a little at that name.

[untold lintel]

tennessee's finest sippin whiskey

in college it was a requirement you tennessee side sipped from the bottle whenever we had dickel

[high bramble]

Sippin' Dickel?

[naive whale]

You mean the over the shoulder pull?

Or is that a Vermont handle drinking move

[untold lintel]

thats how you do it with a jug of moonshine

but its imperative you hook the bottle into your lip on one side

and thats so you can keep a chaw in on the other lip without gettin it whiskey'd up

[naive whale]

That’s how we drank in high school. Plastic handled Mr Boston out in the fields

[untold lintel]

(none of us actually did dip but thats the origin of the move)

[naive whale]

And we had red man too. Our baseball coach played AAA so he gave us chew. Said we played better with it

(Vermont didn’t really have many rules)

[drifting frigate]

OK, so the issue definitely seems like it's with the translation for 3D pad from MiSTer input. It looks like it doesn't have analog trigger support (I'm guessing SNAC will work though). This might be a limitation of MiSTer since it doesn't seem like it maps R/L as analog. I think this would be the only core that uses analog triggers, though it could be neat for arcade paddle support. Super excited to try that SNAC build!

Ah, there are literally TODOs in the code for the hps2pad.sv for the 3D pad triggers. OK, that answers that.

[sacred goblet]

Tested new core release, white screen with single ram and dual ram in sega rally. Was working perfectly before without audio tracks.

[craggy horizon]

Similar experience here. Nothing new seems to be working, but a number of games that worked before don't work at all now, or that worked with at least some audio before don't play any audio now.

[drifting frigate]

Playing around with inputs, I got R and L to map simultaneously to analog X axis.... So that was fun...only accelerated when I steered! The MiSTer framework stuff is neat.

But compiling in Quartus takes 5ever.

[drifting frigate]

Do you have the ability to try network mounts? I can't get anything to load off of SD, but have had a lot of luck with CIFS.

[sharp mauve]

Quick random question: has anyone tried the patched version of Symphony of the Night with the core and does it work at all? (this one https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2021/09/17/castlevania-symphony-of-the-night-sega-saturn-mod-by-paul-met/)

I played it a bit on my real saturn but since i'm getting the mister soon i want to play it on that instead if possible

[drifting frigate]

The graphical corruption at the top is new with this core.

But it works.

[sharp mauve]

Nice, I'm hoping that stuff gets patched out eventually then, i think it's a really great way to play the game

[drifting frigate]

It's really nice. The translucency alone.

Oh...I should try the non-2MB one to see if the graphical stuff is still there.

Oh, I had them backwards. The 2MB one from your link doesn't have the corruption. HAH! But yes, it plays (even better).

And the sound works for me now entirely. It cut out before. Damn nice!

[sharp mauve]

oh woops, i didn't see i linked an older version, i'm playing the latest version of the patch (afaik) on my saturn with the extra ram enabled, i think without the ram the map and menu etc load really slowly

it's one of those games where, if someone walks in on me playing it and hears the music and sees it on a CRT, they ask me about it, it's just impressive all around

[drifting frigate]

Absolutely. Yeah, I should have noticed immediately. No 'sonic caching' screen on that video. Hehe. I haven't touched it since saving was introduced. I really need to actually play it now.

[sacred goblet]

I don't think loading from network will change anything ...

[drifting frigate]

It absolutely did for me. I ran a ton of tests.

[sacred goblet]

Really? Yes i could try

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it really changed the boot ratio for me. But as with everything on the core, ymmv. I may have just had a silicon lottery loser of an sd card. But it got me into Rally, Virtua Fighter, etc when direct sd didn't.

[sacred goblet]

I Always have "cd bios not found" when i start a game. Is possible to delete this message?

[mortal mist]

No, it's a bug

[teal saffron]

Yeah I've played the start of SOTN with the patch, it functions but it still had some slowdown so ??

[warped sparrow]

Anyone else having issues with the latest nighly? I get black screen on loading the core. Cant remember which release I had before this one. Guess i'll have to backtrack.

[mortal mist]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

Load bios manually via osd

Load game and have fun

[warped sparrow]

ok, will try. Right now i get a hard freeze. Not just black screen

thanks

[mortal mist]

Hard freeze = boot.rom

[warped sparrow]

cool, thanks

[subtle tusk]

Is Saturn going to get a database entry in downloader.ini like N64 now has?

[supple vine]

What’s the benefit of dual ram with this core?

[mortal mist]

In theory better compability

In practice, I have no idea at the moment

[wet hull]

No

[subtle tusk]

Ok

[pearl harbor]

New Saturn peeps here!? The Saturn legion is growing!

[drifting frigate]

For me (and this really is a personal experience core) dual is far less stable and fewer games have working sound if they do manage to boot. But as it matures it should provide a better experience.

[runic ridge]

Hello, I'm having issues with some games that, reading here, are supposed to work. Like Daytona USA (black screen), Sega Rally (white screen), VF2. My setup:

• Mister latest unstable is active ( menu date shows Sept. 15th 2023)

• Saturn latest unstable is used

• I have all known supported BIOS available, verified their SHA1 against the correct ones, they all match.

• No boot.rom, of course. And yes, I load boot.bin first, then the game. Tried multiple bios.

• I'm sure both Daytona and Sega Rally are the latest redump from a 2002 on archive.org

• I'm running a memtest for 40 minutes now, my ram is stable at 146 mhz. It's a single 128 ram with two chips.

• Tried loading the image from sdcard or CIFS, no change.

I'm really out of options, and lots of games are working perfectly fine with zero issues. Many other games don't boot but, but I'd rather concentrate on these ones that are supposed to be working.

[frail token]

I hope to gain new appreciation for the system through the core

[burnt matrix]

Sorry, friend but that’s how it is. Going to have to wait for another build.

[mortal mist]

This core is in active development and things will break. A game working in the previous build may not work with the latest build. This is normal and expected. If this is an inconvenience then please wait patiently until the core is done.

[glass aurora]

I think it's boot.bin not bios.bin

[runic ridge]

Sure but, I asked about these because, several users seems to have posted they DO work on the latest core so, I'm trying to understand what's different on my setting. The general consensus seems to be a possible ram timing issue. Mine seems to be a good one, at 146 mhz.

[mortal mist]

the name doesn't matter

[runic ridge]

Yes, of course it's bios.bin, I mis-typed it but, I'm sure this is not the problem, otherwise no game will work, when I have many that works perfectly.

[mortal mist]

you can name it loveyouSaturn.bin

and it will work

[mortal mist]

here all have different results when testing, this core is not 100% stable

there is no other reason

[high bramble]

People have been reporting wildly different results with practically identical setups for months. No rhyme or reason.

[mortal mist]

yes

compatibility list has not been updated for months for this very reason

[glass aurora]

there were also some regressions in the recent version of this core. I would try the core version from 8/29

[mortal mist]

What is written or shown in the videos may not necessarily work for you, you need to accept it and not suggest the results of others

[mortal mist]

yes, the last core did more to spoil things for me than improve them

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it could be named SegaDoesWhatNintenDont.bin and still work.

[runic ridge]

Just tried that one, no change.

[glass aurora]

Ok it's getting named Bug!_is_the_best_game_ever.bin

[high bramble]

N64MasterRace.bin 😏

That's probably what Robby named his.

[pearl harbor]

Nah, Robby would name his I-Love-The-Fat-Baby-Game.bin

[astral crane]

Sometimes you just need reset the game, for some random reasons this actually works

[warm mica]

The latest Sega Saturn unstable build is on my MiSTer but displays a black screen on my CRT through the analog IO. any fix for this? other cores don't have this issue

[mortal mist]

works via hdmi ?

the whole system crashes ?

[warm mica]

Kuba, I only use a CRT, no HDMI

[mortal mist]

rename boot.rom to boot.bin

if you haven't done this already

[warm mica]

I did and it can display but when loading a game I see on the screen CD BIOS not found

[mortal mist]

yes , it's bug in the core CD BIOS not found

but game should work

[warm mica]

Yea I can't get any to load

[mortal mist]

but you see bios ?

load bios manually via osd

than game

[warm mica]

Ok

[mortal mist]

changing boot.rom to bios.bin doesn't do anything , you still need to load the bios

[warm mica]

Yea I did that but games still load to a black screen

[waxen vortex]

I am sure eventually it will get sorted but for now, get into the Habit of opening up the OSD and booting the BIOS before picking a game.

[hollow quiver]

sound not working in many games but I guess people already know

[warm mica]

OK now it works

Is it possible to batch covert a bunch of CHDs to BIN/CUE?

[ivory kindle]

yeah, chdman can do it

chdman extractcd -i file.chd -o file.cue

are you on windows, mac, or linux?

[warm mica]

Windows

[ivory kindle]

for /r %%i in (*.chd) do chdman extractcd -i "%%i" -o "%%~ni.cue"

throw that into a .bat file

[warm mica]

Also is there any way to shift the screen over to the right? On my CRT the picture is too far to the left

[mortal mist]

not now , have to wait until someone corrects it in core

[ivory kindle]

the h-adjust knob? haha

[warm mica]

@ivory kindle strange because not all games are shifted to the left

[ivory kindle]

probably each game uses a different rendering res

[mortal mist]

yes, depending on the game

Sega Rally is ok 🙂

[vestal night]

for those who have a YC board, Mike added an update to the Ycconsole section for Saturn and n64

include Mike's kernel in update_all and it will be updated to the latest build

[tawny forge]

Daytona regressed to a black screen to me

[ancient surge]

Which one, Daytona USA or Daytona USA Championship Edition?

[tawny forge]

Daytona USA

[ancient surge]

I can confirm that Daytona USA does boot for me. There is no sound though.

Both single and dual builds produce the same result.

On a side note, I can also confirm Daytona USA Championship Edition boots on my end. Has sound problems though.

[tawny forge]

What’s the MD5 of your bios?

[ancient surge]

I don't know how to check that for the SEGA Saturn bios, but I use the v1.02 HiSaturn BIOS hacked to bypass region locking. Not sure if the bios has anything to do with it.

[tawny forge]

Probably the same as mine

[naive whale]

Saturn vid in 43 minutes. Let’s see if it has what it takes to bear N64 lol

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth time!?

[naive whale]

even better lol

but no...Ive satisfied your F Zero lust too much. Tomrrow's N64 has MORE F Zero

[pearl harbor]

Awww...fiddlesticks.

But happy to hear more F-Zero!

🤘

[burnt matrix]

🧸

[naive whale]

lol thats what I get for typing while doing laundy

I dont THINK Saturn will overtake N64 but we shall see

[pearl harbor]

It deserves to. It's the better console after all.

[naive whale]

dont tell them that over in the N64 channel

[pearl harbor]

Only Taco is brave enough for that.

[naive whale]

its a real F/M/K situation between PS1, N64 and Saturn

but if I had to kill one...N64 is getting the axe

[burnt matrix]

I can’t protest on your home turf so let’s just say we rumbling when you cross the train tracks

[pearl harbor]

We can take you!

[naive whale]

I dont come to Staten Island Guirrermo

oh and 3DO beats all

https://youtu.be/9lZ9TTPn6iw

its loose!

[kindred peak]

I love the 3DO as well, but even I can't commit to that statement. 😄

[naive whale]

banned

[kindred peak]

[naive whale]

@burnt matrix see him out

[kindred peak]

Robby...

[burnt matrix]

3DO fans inspire me. Even against impossible odds they still prevail.

[kindred peak]

Having to daisy chain controllers taught us tolerance.

[pearl harbor]

Hey, nice to see (or hear?) that Sega Rally's audio was working on your end as well.

[naive whale]

yep. Sounded great

[pearl harbor]

The audio is perfect for me now as well in Sega Rally.

[naive whale]

burning rangers getting audio is the bet IMO

finally get navigation and sound cues

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I was able to play for a bit. I like the game.

[naive whale]

it had nice things to say about you too

[burnt matrix]

My favorite character name of all time is in that game

[pearl harbor]

But not great things. An important distinction!

[burnt matrix]

“Big Landmass”

[naive whale]

shares a nickname with your mom?

[burnt matrix]

What a great name, probably only bested by “Diehardman”

[naive whale]

sorry...set me up there

[burnt matrix]

[naive whale]

You know Diehardman...he was in that movie with Carl Winslow and Hans Flubber

[burnt matrix]

haha

[naive whale]

the race is on. I will know at 4:31 is Saturn can beat N64

[pearl harbor]

Quick everyone! Watch the video 100 times each in the next...20 minutes.

[naive whale]

please god dont lol

YT will nail my ass to the wall

[burnt matrix]

good to know

[naive whale]

if anyone knows about nailing ass its Robby

[burnt matrix]

omg

[naive whale]

(I am only shit talking because nobody is here who doesn't get the joke. Saturn channel is a three person convo currently)

Three Saturn Kings

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[burnt matrix]

Saturn is really good

[frail token]

I hope to explore the library

[kindred peak]

Saturn is BEST, Bobbert.

[frail token]

when Killer Instinct Gold works let me know

[burnt matrix]

Best Saturn game

[silk vine]

I have the same thing.

[naive whale]

ram version?

[frail token]

almost as good as Ape Escape

[silk vine]

3.0 bought especially, I had 2.5 before

[naive whale]

I was playing Ape Escape 3 yesterday

[naive whale]

have you run mem test and seen the speed it maxes at?

also what bios?

[silk vine]

Yes, I test all bios files…same thing…. I did the mem test too and it was better on 3.0, about the same as you said from memory

[naive whale]

hmmmm...thats odd

try Sega Rally / Bubble Symphony / Burning Rangers

[silk vine]

Although sega rally was fine on 2.5!

[naive whale]

games Ive seen run on this core

[silk vine]

Mem is the key… happy to spend 30 mins testing

[burnt matrix]

Bubble Symphony is to help test how the core runs with a bad game

[naive whale]

I will come to Texas and beat you AT THE ALAMO

[burnt matrix]

lmao

[burnt matrix]

Love bubble bobble lol

[naive whale]

when people say "Remember the Alamo" they will mean "Remember that vicious beating that took place when that guy was yelling 'Bubble Symphony is the greatest'

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[pearl harbor]

I can already envision it.

[naive whale]

then i will spraypaint "Bub and Bob were here" on the front of the Alamo and walk away in slow motion

hahahahaha

[polar geode]

What is this nonsense

Bubble Symphony is amazing.

Robby you are not based

[pearl harbor]

Needs some kind of explosion behind you as well.

[naive whale]

a giant bubble pops and candy and snacks just fly out for everyone to enjoy 😆

[pearl harbor]

I was thinking Bub and Bob explode out of Robby's chest or something. But your idea works too.

[burnt matrix]

2D games suck, sonic r is the best sonic game, outrun is overrated ahhhhhh!!!!!!

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-hit-bonk-slap-gif-24662766

[pearl harbor]

@burnt matrix , time to ban @burnt matrix

[naive whale]

I think Robby's brain baked itself last time that glorious independent texas power grid saw a warm day

[polar geode]

Robby cannot self terminate.

Lower him into the liquid ban.

[silk vine]

Bubble Symphony seems fine

Ha ha… was a joke, I guess

[frail token]

so it's finally working in the core?

[naive whale]

Yeah. Robert puts forwards compatibility in the PS1 core. It runs PS2 now

[polar geode]

So it doesnt run a bunch of PSX games right now? Damn

[frail token]

Yet*

[polar geode]

Just imagine when PS3 support releases, and only older versions of SDRAM can run PSX games

[naive whale]

3 minutes and we shall see if Saturn can dethrone N64. Its looking CLOSE

[silk vine]

Daytona used to crash early at the screen with repeated Daytona coloured text…. Now just a black screen with 20230915 build

[naive whale]

first 30: 378 Saturn, 398 N64. But Saturn could come back

we will check back in on the race at 5 PM...see if our Sega horse finds its stride

Saturn is losing steam around the second turn

[tiny flare]

I don’t think that’s your fault, or the fault of the Saturn itself, it’s just a reality of the development pace of the core, for totally understandable reasons it’s a little slower than N64

[naive whale]

It’s a blood bath 🤣

[tiny flare]

Nah jokes, obviously n64 is superior, quads are for babies, tris are the future

[naive whale]

Obv just playing. Strong numbers. Also it’s football season. Sundays suck for views. So it’s disadvantaged

So many factors effect things like views. But framing it as a race is fun lol

[flat sedge]

Why choose, I enjoy them all 😂

[naive whale]

I’m just in a race with myself to grow

[tidal raptor]

Your steam deck video on Cemu got me to try out Cemu yesterday (on my desktop though, I don't even have a steam deck lol), and I'm impressed by how simple that was to get running. Ended up playing some Yoshi's Woolly World, very relaxing

[naive whale]

It’s super easy surprisingly

I’ve been working up a new evening series. “Emulation night school”. Setup guides for all the big emulators for PC. Those guides do well to bring in subs and views and they are good long term too. Not ephemeral

[silk vine]

@old pasture watched your recent video and you said outrun had no music. I disagreed as the previous core worked fine for me with music on outrun. Your right tho… 15th music ain’t working again.

28th Aug core

[tidal raptor]

Definitely fits well with the current crop of topics you cover, I'd point friends at it if they need help setting up certain emulators, your tutorials are very easy to follow and hit all the major points

[naive whale]

Thanks. They are fun to make

[silk vine]

15th no outrun sound

Even Daytona worked on 20230828 for me!

Championship always crashes here with 20230828

Just black screens on the latest

Sega Rally though hasn’t worked since I started using SD RAM 3.0

[naive whale]

@sudden tusk you get yourself in here now and answer for your sins!

See @pearl harbor what your fellow cheeseheads do??

🤣

[kindred peak]

You Midwesterners...

[forest shell]

Where's the best place to post compatibility issues? It's got a transparency bug in Magical Drop III. (which I've actually seen in uoYabause but not Beetle Saturn or real hardware)

[burnt matrix]

Wait until the core is more mature. It’s still WIP. Not all hardware features have been implemented and stability is a big issue as well.

[forest shell]

Ah, I can definitely wait for an actual confirmation that Srg wants to see any issues posted if he hasn't already.

[burnt matrix]

Thank you for your patience and great eye for detail on noticing bugs.

[high bramble]

I don't know if he's even interested in bug report submissions at this time. Has that changed?

[polar geode]

Finished my arranged music "hack" of Darius 2 on Saturn. It can be found on a site with archive in its name, or maybe in a link in my Discord profile

[burnt matrix]

I don’t think so. He’s still knee deep in adding all hardware functionality.

[ancient surge]

I still wonder what is causing the weird bug in Falcom Classics to have the sound slowly regress in real time. I can't find any other game that does that.

[burnt matrix]

I HAVE A SURPRISE FOR #1046941029296779344 !

https://tenor.com/view/sega-saturn-sega-saturn-sega-saturn-logo-earth-gif-3545008708553501614

[polar geode]

Still waiting on the surprise.

[visual grove]

The surprise was there was no follow up

[polar geode]

I saw what you posted Robby

[visual grove]

Damnit where’d it go

[burnt matrix]

ITS AMAZING

[polar geode]

Ooh

[pearl harbor]

He's giving us a bad name! Parodius is amazing!

[visual grove]

VO with the sticks it’s the only way to go.

[burnt matrix]

HEAVENLY

@inner token is amazing!!!

[inner token]

Robby is teasing again

[quaint dove]

The $59.99 I paid for Doom Eternal helped subsidize that didn’t it?

It was worth it.

[inner token]

I added a new usb option (Multitap). Right now the core supports 5 usb controllers. if you turn multitap on it will put 4 of the usbs as one port and the 5th on the other port.
Should be able to play some 5p games with usb now. If you use usb multitap with snac multitaptap I think it should be possible to do 4 each. so 8p may be possible

SNAC code works like it did, after you turn it on you can pick which port you want snac to act as, usb1 will be the other port.

If you guys can test some stuff out and let me know if anything is broke. think @drifting frigate was looking for a new build

[polar geode]

Nice of you to do that, the SNAC folk will surely be happy

[untold lintel]

I need to get a twinstick soon....