Sega Saturn

[drifting frigate]

If you're new to this it can be overwhelming. I suggest hitting the pinned comments for a great faq/setup page from Vampier.

It answers a lot.

[mortal mist]

Yeah , and this #1046941029296779344 message

[quick sorrel]

So, still get the appropriate RAM build, single or double, place it in the console folder, have your own BIOS in the games folder, title it boot, and that's still the regular plan, yes? (I'll go over the pinned comments too.)

[drifting frigate]

"boot.bin" for this specific core. If it finds boot.rom it will crash.

[quick sorrel]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/ specifically, yes?

[drifting frigate]

yep!

[quick sorrel]

(Bah! I did have it as boot.bin from an older build. Makes sense why the updated one crashed now.)

Thanks. Time for bed but I'll go over that external site and try my best. Thanks 🙂

[drifting frigate]

NP!

[pearl harbor]

Okay @tough star spill the beans on this one! Every juicy detail! 🧃

[tough star]

the saturn FAQ hasn't been updated in ages

boot.rom comment is outdated

someone else must have gone through the code as I never looked at the code

[pearl harbor]

It will forever remain a mystery.

[untold spear]

You still gotta rename it and run it manually though right

Or is that old info

[pearl harbor]

As far as I know yes. I tested it on the new build and the rename/manual load issue was still in effect.

[untold spear]

awesome. going to try playing through some panzer dragoon games this weekend

wonder if svideo is supported

or if i'll have to swap over to ypbpr

[naive whale]

No I said it’s part of mister main. You don’t need unstable main. Core is still manual install and setup 🙂

[indigo lotus]

Hey dudebros, is there anything new in the new release?

[drifting frigate]

The BIG one is Guardian Heroes running perfectly.

[indigo lotus]

Lots of my games are reporting this game is not suitable for this system, regardless which bios file region I try. Is this due to the core or invalid images?

[drifting frigate]

Try soft rebooting from OSD.

There seems to be a small bug that causes it to fail to recognize the disc occasionally.

Oh hey, Ten Pin Alley boots now, too! It was locking at the bowling ball image last build.

[loud plinth]

Did you try switching region in the settings? I was getting the unsuitable message as well and changing region fixed it.

@indigo lotus

[drifting gulch]

Is the meta stability, or whatever it's called, improved? E.g. one game works on some peoples de10s but not on others.

[naive whale]

youd never know it wasnt real Saturn

[drifting frigate]

Sure I know... it's actually got a nice image!

[tiny flare]

for real though, Saturn supports RGB out of the box, it looks so clean on my PVM...N64 on the other hand, what a mess

mine is a later revision where they took out all the circuitry for s-video for literally no reason, why Nintendo...?

so it's composite only without mods

Saturn once again showing that Sega does what Nintendon't

[drifting frigate]

Failing caps have mine pretty noisy. 😦

[tiny flare]

ah yeah that'll do it lol

[drifting frigate]

Still, way better than my N64 before I gave it away, since, apart from the aforementioned weak ass output options, it wouldn't stay powered on for more than 15 seconds. The power supplies in those things are so flakey.

[untold spear]

the mister n64 core will solve all of those problems

and maybe even problems you don't even know you have

[quaint dove]

you got a problem, yo mister’ll solve it
check out this poly while the rdp revolves it

[burnt matrix]

8/10

I enjoyed that one

[drifting frigate]

It was nice. Nice, baby.

[quick sorrel]

Oh, that’s what I couldn’t quite catch. Sorry. (Love the videos you make BTW)

[naive whale]

No worries 🙂

[quick sorrel]

I’m still not that well versed in understanding the differences in mister main vs installing the core manually. So after placing the WIP core in the console folder, how does being in the mister main affect it as it is still WIP? (I also put the Saturn updater in the scripts folder for the next update.)

[drifting frigate]

MiSTer main is the system you see when you boot up MiSTer. It's not a core, it's the host UI. If you look at your SD card, there should be /media/fat/ and under that you'll see a file named MiSTer with no extension. That's 'main.' So if you want to use an unstable, download it from #unstable-nightlies and rename your old MiSTer file to something like MiSTer.bak then drop the new file in and remove the date code so it's just MiSTer, then power cycle.

Then, Robert's your mother's brother. You're in!

[quick sorrel]

Mister Main is the OS, basically? And that’s what also gets unstable nightlies for the improvement of the OS (if I got that right).

[drifting frigate]

Basically, yes. There is probably a 'well akshully' Linux discussion to be had, but pragmatically speaking, yes.

It's easy to change back by reversing the process and promoting MiSTer.bak back to MiSTer to restore it to main.

[quick sorrel]

Okay, glad I got the difference now. But with WIP cores, we don’t need to do anything with Saturn core as it’s part of the mister main, right? Other new cores that come out might not get added immediately to mister main so that’s why we’d need an unstable nightly to run that core (maybe right?).

[drifting frigate]

Correct. Right now there are a few changes in the unstable build, but those benefit N64 and A0486 mostly.

Everything for Saturn has been committed.

[quick sorrel]

Thank you for your patience with this slow witted fool. I really feel like I got it now. Any further updates for SS can be done just by using the SS update script until SRG finishes the core, yes?

[drifting frigate]

Unless something else has to be changed on MiSTer, yes. But generally it gets announced if you need an unstable build in this channel and both will get posted if that's the case.

Again, usually. Dev is in a war zone, so it's all up in the air, but usually.

[burnt matrix]

I appreciate your humbleness but you’re here in this Discord with us. You’re not a fool or slow witted. You’re amongst friends and you’re learning. Glad to have you here!

[drifting frigate]

Teamwork!

[trim nimbus]

Would be interesting to have sort of a “dual bios” option..if the mister main fails to start have it fallback to a known good one.

Or just let you switch between two copies.

[quick sorrel]

Thanks guys 😊 (I really do have reading comprehension issues, it takes so much effort just to get everything before I start tinkering around to avoid messing up)

Oh, I just realized something… can the current Saturn core have more than one BIOS? Doesn’t seem like it as the file name is a generic boot.bin instead of region names JP/US/EU.

[drifting frigate]

Yes, you just have to manually load the one you want.

There are also some easy to find region free bios out there.

[quick sorrel]

Didn’t know there were region free ones. Might be a good solution.

[drifting frigate]

That's my main go to right now.

[quick sorrel]

If you manually load them, do both still need to be called boot.bin or each something different?

[drifting frigate]

I'm pretty happy I don't have to manually region switch.

So, they don't need to be called boot.bin. That's just the go-to since it's an easy rename from boot.rom, which is what most people had, when that stopped working for auto load. But it can be pretty much any name.bin. So you can just drop a load of .bin files from an archive directly into /games/Saturn and load the one you prefer on boot. You don't technically need a boot.bin currently since it's a forced manual load anyway. It's mostly for convenience and ease of explaining to people starting out.

But yeah, should be fine to just drop them as is into the folder. Just keep in mind that one or two have issues. You can find those on Vampier's page in pinned messages. I think it might only be one, actually.

Yeah, 1.003 JP.

[quick sorrel]

1.003 JP is universal? (I’m on mobile and can’t see the pinned like on the PC)

[drifting frigate]

No, 1.003 JP is not working. Sorry for the confusion.

[quick sorrel]

(Damn, found the pins location)

[drifting frigate]

I can't link bios files here, but a quick google search of saturn region free bios should get you set on that. Should you choose to go that route. And even if you don't have region free, you don't need to load a separate bios for every region. You just need to swap the region toggle in the menu for the core. Again, it's way nicer not having to do that though!

[ancient surge]

OH MY GOD I FIGURED OUT A LOOPHOLE TO BOOT SHINOBI LEGIONS

[quick sorrel]

No worries. And yeah, that sounds like a good action plan.

[drifting frigate]

SHARE YOUR SECRETS!

[ancient surge]

I was toying with the RAM and CPU overclocking scripts, specifically CPU at 1000 and RAM at 1000, to see if how it would react to the WIP Nintendo 64 and SEGA Saturn cores.

[burnt matrix]

uh oh

[ancient surge]

I'm guessing increasing the frequency of the RAM might allow some games to boot.

[drifting frigate]

Oh wow. So it stabalized the timing a little somehow? Neat!

[quick sorrel]

Pretty cool. Wonder if that info could help development.

[ancient surge]

Testing out other games to see how they react to my settings.

[drifting frigate]

I'd be interested to hear about DiscWorld 1 and 2.

[ancient surge]

Hmm, Rabbit still fails to boot even with the overclocking...

[drifting frigate]

Oh dang. I didn't even know Rabbit had stopped working 😦

[pearl harbor]

I didn't know what the heck I was doing when I first came here. Still sometimes don't. But now I help people here all the time. You learn, you pay it forward. It's the circle of MiSTer life! 🦁

[quick sorrel]

This is the way. 😎. I really noticed that people are kind and helpful on here compared to random internet sites. More like interacting IRL.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, the last thing we want to be as a community is Stack Overflow, where if they could murder you for not knowing something with a button, they would.

[frail token]

or Reddit lol

[analog totem]

future infomercial: Shot of a couple holding hands “The MiSTer N64 core saved our marriage!”

[restive spindle]

planning to intro my 8yo to Guardian Heroes later, pretty happy with my filter setup now. Runs great.

[limpid sun]

I’m having the strangest problem with Daytona USA (USA)- is anyone able to get this to go past the license screen? It goes to black on me. Not sure what I’m doing wrong. By contrast, I am able to run Golden Axe - The Duel just fine.

Build is 230829

[tiny flare]

pretty normal, that Sega Rally and a few others have that issue for me for a few builds now, for some others it works fine

[limpid sun]

That’s what I get for checking the compatibility list. 😦

[mortal mist]

WARNING: This repository is in active development. There are no guarantees about stability. Breaking changes will occur until a stable release is made and announced.

[tall radish]

single or double?

[limpid sun]

Single

[tall radish]

works on mine. i will check later again.

[limpid sun]

If this was known, I couldn’t find it on the spreadsheet but I apologize.

[tiny flare]

if you run the memory test core what frequency do you get?

just as a data point

[mortal mist]

That is why we stopped updating the compatibility list a long time ago, what works for one person does not necessarily work for another. And this is not the fault of the user

[limpid sun]

Understandable. Was just trying to do the requisite research before reaching out.

[mortal mist]

It's always a good idea to check everything 🙂

[tiny flare]

interesting, I remember someone above suggesting that 145mhz or lower would be a source of issues with the current core, but that result seems to contradict that, assuming your memory can maintain that without errors

it's all some degree of speculation I guess, and yeah the core is relatively unstable between builds regardless

[mortal mist]

Here nothing can be taken for granted until the beta version is released

I guess , that srg320 is aware of some problems , but has other priorities at the moment with the core

[quick sorrel]

I was considering upgrading to dual RAM if the Midway games require it later on but, is there any real benefit to having dual RAM for the Saturn core? Or does it seem like it might be like the PSX core?

[stiff patrol]

no one knows its impossible to say

[quick sorrel]

SRG hasn’t speculated on it I suppose. (Just was curious.)

[coarse night]

At the moment there are some odd timing bugs in the latest saturn core. For me - dual 128mb ram 143Mhz - Virtua Fighter 2 works with the single ram build. Even there it sometimes takes longer than normal for the title screen to appear. With the dual ram build i only managed to get the title screen showing once - after about 2 minutes of staring at the black screen. In theory dual ram should take the pressure of the latency limitations of a single ram mister, but in this case this seems - at least for me - detrimental. So at the moment i would not worry to much about single vs dual ram. I think most quirks are due to some subtle bugs and just because they are triggered more often or not on some systems does not mean that single/dual/fast/slow ram will have any benefits if the core matures further.

If its any comfort - on my second very old single ram mister (barely 135Mhz according to memtest): Sega Rally and Radiant Silvergun work. On my dual ram mister (with "faster" ram, see above) they do not, neither with the latest dual ram nor the single ram core.

[burnt matrix]

Yah it’s wacky

[naive whale]

It’s the most organic “digital” experience so far

[sudden tusk]

The core is literally gestating rn

[quick sorrel]

Should the games be in individual folders ideally?

[burnt matrix]

Ideally yeah

[quick sorrel]

I've got a few bin/cue titles in there so that should be easy to do. Thx

[tall radish]

so i was wondering what happens if you launch a Dual RAM core on a Single RAM MiSTer.

cause i just started the Saturn DualRAM core on my single RAM MiSTer and it bootet, and also bootet a game.

[drifting frigate]

You unlocked the true power of the 90s.

[acoustic sable]

Now you can have a really big RAM disk

[tall radish]

why so cynical? it's a genuine question...

[drifting frigate]

It's not cynicism, I assure you.

[tall radish]

How can you explain the the dualRAM saturn core runs on a singleRAM MiSTer then?

[drifting frigate]

First, you didn't ask how. You stated it did. We were responding to a statement. The developer doesn't frequent this channel. It's neat that you found out it did, though.

Have you tested many games? Did you notice any differences? For me the dual ram build has, in general, been less stable than single, but I've only tested it on dual ram setups.

[pearl harbor]

I've even noticed some differences in the N64 core. Like I changed my SD card recently, and that alone created some different results for me with some games. In development cores are very organic.

Anyway, Saturn is awsome, and everyone should play Sega Saturn! 🤘

[vernal sun]

I have always had the best luck streaming from a NAS or another computer on the network.

[drifting frigate]

Unless you're his kids....

[drifting frigate]

This was the game changer for me, too. The extra speed you can get out of network storage over the usb 2.0 bus really smoothed out problems.

[pearl harbor]

What's great about the current Saturn core though, is that when you do encounter a game that works well, it's a great experience. Save support is here and that really makes certain games amazing already.

[drifting frigate]

Yep! And there's so much to discover. Last night I played The Incredible Machine by way of Ghouls and Ghosts. It's awesome!

Additionally, I got to try out those restored controllers over Reflex. Double win.

[naive whale]

Give Lupin a go. Weird janky 3D charmer of an action Platformer

Lupin the 3rd: the Sage of Pyramid

[tall radish]

No just one game and noticed nothing unusual. But i wondered because everyone is telling me it shouldn't work at all.

[naive whale]

It’s like 1/3 beat em up, 1/3 adventure and 1/3 Platformer. All thirds B tier but nobody ever mentioned having EVER played it

[mortal mist]

Well, maybe something changed now

Only srg320 knows 😉

If I remember correctly at the very beginning using the dual ram version with MiSTer with one ram, core worked, but very very slow

[tall radish]

Ok. Also psx2x works

[untold lintel]

That’s a single ram feature

[drifting frigate]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/blob/master/sys/sys_dual_sdram.tcl

Looks like it remaps some registers to the second GPIO. It probably will have some instability on specific games, but will load fine. I don't see any checks that the RAM exists. I'm totally going to try it myself though now that @tall radish has confirmed it boots. Neat!

[naive whale]

I gotta revamp my dual ram build this weekend. On camera. Dual ram is gonna be big come midway cores

[mortal mist]

#test-builds message here is dual

[tall radish]

Strange yes. Let's see the Midway core

[mortal mist]

psx2xCpu is for one ram

[drifting frigate]

So for me, Dual Ram launches BIOS but any game loads to a black screen on a single RAM build.

Oh. Nevermind.

It's just, as menioned above, SUUUUUPER slow.

[mortal mist]

yeah 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/slooo-wwwwllly-streak-alive-zootopia-sloth-slow-laugh-gif-13948105

[drifting frigate]

The screen was black for so long I assumed it just was dead. Hehe. N64 testing from 2 weeks ago all over again.

[untold lintel]

eons ago

[mortal mist]

Where can I find out more about this?

[drifting frigate]

Pram0d's twitter has a lot of info.

I believe.

[mortal mist]

I am a blinded psx core fanboy and don't know what is going on

haha

[stiff patrol]

its Narc and MK that are dual ram so far

[drifting frigate]

Yep, and if NBA Jam is possible, that will be as well I think he mentioned.

[mortal mist]

I once saw a post about MK

[stiff patrol]

although the message board boys are convinced its a conspiracy to force dual ram

and that one simple fix and they can run MK on a single stick

[drifting frigate]

Dual RAM or MARS or ... yeah, it's dicey in the coomments.

"You're just trying to sell X or Y!" when it's mainly just he doesn't want to kill himself making it work with consessions.

[stiff patrol]

got to love them. They dont develop on FPGA but apparently its just a lazy dev ruining their single ram fun

[tall radish]

Ok i will check more tonight. Which game did you check?

[tall radish]

But didn't it need something more to run it? Why not implement the 2x as an option in the main core?

[stiff patrol]

the 2X psx core is experimental

and was never made to be run full time

it was a test by Robert to see if he could run the processor fast enough to do the N64

[drifting frigate]

I tried a few. Some known working ones and a few non boots (Working I did Astal, non working I did Rabbit, Shinobi, and another that I've forgotten in the last 20 minutes). But the BIOS load screen was so slow it was unusable. Sounds like you have it running faster. Which is really neat.

[tall radish]

Ok will check these tonight

[supple vine]

I keep seeing videos of Guardian Heroes running perfectly on the latest Saturn Core, but for me it freezes already in the intro video. If I click through the intro video, I can start a game, but the sound and gameplay is stuttery as hell. What am I doing wrong?

[mortal mist]

yeah, I finally got it working on the new core

[supple vine]

Is there a trick to it?

[mortal mist]

it's hard to say why this is happening to you

[drowsy hull]

thoughts and prayers

[supple vine]

Does the intro video play fine for you?

Is it maybe the fact I only have one SD Module?

[drifting frigate]

Are you on dual or single RAM? My single RAM works great, my dual RAM stutters. But it literally might just be silicon lottery. It doesn't matter if I use the single ram core on my dual stick setup either.

Ah, so not that then.

[supple vine]

I was thinking maybe it is the metastability... runs on some MiSTers but not on others...

[mortal mist]

for me Guardian Heroes works great on Dual 🙂

[drifting frigate]

I'm also using CIFS which helps a LOT with stability and FMV playback. SD and HDD are limited to ~25Mbps whereas network generally sustains over 50.

[supple vine]

Ok I will try that.

[mortal mist]

and the most important thing

WARNING: This repository is in active development. There are no guarantees about stability. Breaking changes will occur until a stable release is made and announced.

😄

[tall radish]

We will see how it works when a dual ram only core will be released in October 😉

[tall radish]

did someone say recently shinobi x works now?

[mortal mist]

Yeah

This game should work

[drifting frigate]

They said it worked with a 1000MHz overclock

Not stock.

[tall radish]

[mortal mist]

For me all games work perfectly, I have the core version for triple ram 😉

[tight zinc]

and a 2x CDROM like the saturn only needs 300KB/s

[drifting frigate]

Yes, but it still improves the core's metastability. I've tested on tons of storage. CIFS works best.

[steady schooner]

I couldn't find in the search but is there a way to enable analog movement on the saturn core?

i was playing burning rangers but that game is horrible on the DPAD

[clear condor]

Yeah, there should be an option in the OSD to change controller type to the 3D Pad

[vernal sun]

Twin Stick support in yet? Would love to use the DS4 as a twin stick controller since I don't have one

[tawny forge]

Wondering if there's a safe way to send him another RAM module where he can replicate the issues that some users (including myself) are facing with the core? 🤔

[undone oyster]

Hopefully he can work it out

[tawny forge]

Hardly if he can’t replicate 😩

[undone oyster]

Yeah, I don't know how we can send him a module that has these issues without losing access to our own ones

[mortal mist]

Well, at most, after the release of the beta version , github will be flooded with a wave of requests related to this topic

[undone oyster]

I have a 2.9 module and memtest gives odd results in its timings

[mortal mist]

Nothing else can be done

[undone oyster]

It starts at 160, then 150. Then 145 then 144 and sits there for a while and randomly drops over time

[mortal mist]

I have the same , it is ok at 143

[undone oyster]

I still don't get sound on NiGHTs though

[mortal mist]

Me too

[undone oyster]

But in VGEs latest video sound is perfect for some people

[mortal mist]

Yeah , worked for me some time ago

Not now

I stopped worrying about it, let's wait for a stable core

[inner token]

i wonder if SRG knows the boot.rom broke a while ago? or did that get fixed?

maybe he always loads his

[burnt matrix]

@drifting frigate mighty soothsayer of Bug!, how does a simple man like myself conjur the Bug! upon my mister fpga

[drifting frigate]

So my attack plan is start it, wait for the newspaper to spin once before hitting start. Rinse and repeat until it finally 'takes.'

[ancient surge]

Oh yeah, maybe I should test booting up Bug! with the overclocked settings to see if that does anything.

I've been so busy that I had no chance to check it. orz

[drifting frigate]

I can do it fairly reliably, provided 'reliable' means 'within 15 minutes.'

[wraith citrus]

Nice. i thought the saturn core doesn't use ddr3 though?

or does it? I am not familiar with this core at all lol

[ancient surge]

Well it definitely has some affect on the core, as I managed to boot up Shinobi Legions. #1046941029296779344 message

[wraith citrus]

Awesome. I wonder what happens here

[ancient surge]

Safe to say it has to do with the RAM. Seems like the higher the frequency, the more stable the core gets.

Granted it's not a magic fix, as the core still has a lot of problems that need improvements. I also don't know how much overclocking fixes thing. But Shinobi Legions is the example that stood out.

[wraith citrus]

btw how fast can your de10 go? 1000 mhz? 1050 mhz? 1075? 1100?

For RAM

[ancient surge]

1000mhz

[wraith citrus]

mine crashes instantly at 1100 but i have seen it do 1075

[ancient surge]

That's what I chose personally at least, since I don't want to risk random crashes.

[wraith citrus]

I was hoping to help out N64 performance maybe, but apparently some other cores would benefit, like ao486. Haven't tested those at all

[drifting frigate]

Oh, can you check Night Striker with the overclock? It's another 'used to run' that I've been curious about.

[naive whale]

I’ll have to try OCing my dual ram build after I set it up on camera

[analog totem]

Dang that’s really interesting the SRG isn’t experiencing instability issues like a lot of us are…hopefully he can somehow figure it out or further work on the core just magically fixes things 🤞

[willow pasture]

Is Saturn core only accessible via patreon members?

[mortal mist]

no

chceck unstable nightlies

or github

[willow pasture]

ty

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

https://vampier.net/Saturn/ - read before use it 😉

[stiff patrol]

do not have a boot.rom present !

its now called boot.bin and is loaded after the core starts

have a boot.rom and you will get nothing

[ancient surge]

I can boot up Night Striker S fine. Both regular and overclock speeds produce the same effect, and the build doesn't matter.

Don't notice anything particularly egregious in-game either, aside from some minor sound glitches and the tiles in some backgrounds still not being rendered correctly. Still perfectly playable.

Also I can confirm Bug! is not effected by overclocking; getting to the title is still really fickle.

I tested out Shining the Holy Ark because apparently that is another game with issues.

Overclocking has no effect; the game still fails to boot. Using the different builds also has no effect.

[sudden pumice]

Is there a custom modeline that fixes the analog output being offset to one side???

[mortal mist]

nope

this must be corrected in the core, if you have the possibility then set it up on the tv/monitor

[sudden pumice]

Thats what I was thinking but figured Id ask since I saw folks using a custom modeline to fix analog output in the testbuild version of roberts N64 core. Wishful thinking. 😁

[thorn pagoda]

that'll likely get dialled in just before the core goes final

[summer anvil]

I can whip something up

Problem is I think Saturn has two resolutions that most games use so I'd have to see if I could get resolution switching working

[willow pawn]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn/blob/master/VDP2/VDP2.sv

Line 268

Wait no

Its in the parametrs in line 125

Hmmmm

It seems like it would be offset in one resolution

But not the other

One modeline is 320 49 32 16

One modeline is 352 17 32 41

[pearl harbor]

I can't get that one to run anymore either. Used to run for me as well.

[drifting frigate]

I'm gonna try all the tricks as well as a new image today, but that's where I am a well.

[half spire]

yo

I have a question on downloading the saturn core

I made sure to support srg320 on patreon though I'm not sure which thing do I download in the github link

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

Or github ( must be log on )

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/actions/workflows/test-build.yml

[half spire]

I needa github account?

[mortal mist]

Or scripts from here

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

[mortal mist]

Yes

[half spire]

on the git hub I see a billion files but nothing that shows the RBF

[indigo tendon]

Does the saturn core support chd files?

[mortal mist]

Not yet

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/actions/runs/6002925168

[green jacinth]

latest saturn build seems to cause my mister to hang

tried latest unstable mister release as well as latest mister test build with it

both hang

[mortal mist]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

[green jacinth]

k doing now

[mortal mist]

Then load bios manually

[green jacinth]

thanks gonna give it a try, its been quite a while since i looked at saturn

worked like a charm, appreciate the new info

[burnt matrix]

Thank you @mortal mist !

[mortal mist]

I didn't do anything 🤨

[burnt matrix]

You helped them. 🍻

[mortal mist]

That's what we're all here for, to help each other

We all share the same passion, games and MiSTer 🙂

[untold spear]

every game i tried so far has been working well. astal seems to glitch out sound after freeing the bird

not a bad glitch

but like.. scratchy

[mortal mist]

Guardian Heroes works perfectly

I love that game

[winter phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-moon-but-you-didnt-do-anything-gif-15435282

[mortal mist]

🤣

[winter phoenix]

(Mods pls don’t kill me for using gifs)

[burnt matrix]

One demerit!!

[winter phoenix]

😖😖😖

[mortal mist]

We are not testing the new core , there will probably be no problem

Robby will forgive us

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, the gif thing is just to minimize visual noise when there’s work to be done

[winter phoenix]

My fate is in his Hydlide-loving hands

[burnt matrix]

You have a Bug toy

You’re the king

[winter phoenix]

I do yes

lmao

It’s too bad there aren’t Virtual Hydlide toys

[untold spear]

no way yet to get saturn to fit on a crt correctly is there

[kindred sundial]

The other day I played Panzer Dragoon for like five minutes on the newest core before a freeze. Audio was working and it was a dream. I see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[pearl harbor]

Robby may have Hydlide loving hands. I have Hydlide in my hands!

[white yoke]

today I tested a japan prototype version of burning rangers plays on latest Core and the one before it with no sound or music

[untold spear]

burning rangers appears to not do anything for me. it gets to the point where i choose data and then hangs.. but almost like my controller disconnects. background is still doing its stuff

no sound after the opening video

[cursive turtle]

NiGHTs still doesnt launch at all for me but a lot of other games are working fine mostly 2D ones 3D games are more hit and miss

[drifting frigate]

Can you DM me your CRCs for your bin(s)/cue? I want to make sure I've got a good backup. I know it's not the best game, but it's legitimately one of my favorites, hehe.

[cursive turtle]

my SDRAM sits at 146 in the test so its not the speed I think

Virtua Cop 2 boots now and seems perfect for a while then becomes a mess so progress there at least

[drifting frigate]

Even if you can get in, the sound cuts out shortly after the game starts. You get a line or so of dialog, then nothing.

[untold spear]

ye. nights works, but no sound

there were more games that worked fine overall. think its at a point where i can likely beat most games id have wanted to play

[sudden pumice]

That would be pretty sweet!!! Let me know how it goes

[tiny flare]

Virtua Cop 2 plays so well, I really wish the core had SNAC + light gun support so I could use my virtua gun with it

[errant prawn]

Is there a version of the saturn builds for unstable mister...and another for stable?

[tiny flare]

the current Saturn build does not require unstable MiSTer main, if that's what you're asking

or if you mean is there a stable build of the Saturn core itself, then no, it's still a WIP

[errant prawn]

Like the ones from unstable nightlies?

If I have stable mister

Should the latest saturn build on unstable nightlies work...or do u need to destabilize my mister itself

[tiny flare]

yes, you can use the latest Saturn build with stable main, no you don't need the latest unstable main

[errant prawn]

Love ya

Thanks

[tiny flare]

no worries, I get the whole situation with various builds flying around can be confusing

[errant prawn]

My December build worked... finally grabbed the latest build...and my mister just goes black

[tiny flare]

have you renamed your boot.rom to bios.bin?

[errant prawn]

That's probably it

The mister community is amazing again

Thank uou my friend

[tiny flare]

no worries, we're all here to help each other have fun however we can 😄

[errant prawn]

I just wish I had an idiots guide to msx now....even the vampire faq didn't help...but meh...thars for another day

[strong zephyr]

You could try to search for the pez mister vids. I think you will still find em usefull even though there are a bit old. I think i got msx working with it. (Might be never vids as well but not tried those)

[worldly pulsar]

hi, where can i get the latest MiSTer file for the Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230829_04f601.rbf ?

[mortal mist]

You don't need Unstable Mister main

[worldly pulsar]

not anymore?

[mortal mist]

Not for now

[worldly pulsar]

because i became a blackscreen.

[mortal mist]

🙂

[worldly pulsar]

ok i will test it once more

[mortal mist]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

Load bios manually

[worldly pulsar]

with a new fresh download. everything is fine with bios files etc. I ran Saturn months ago but i renew my misterfile so i dont know where the problem is

[mortal mist]

Boot.rom cause system crash

[worldly pulsar]

thx for help/info

[cunning citrus]

Pro tip, you can press a button to skip startup animation, although the animation is awesome, it's good to have options.

[drifting frigate]

Saturn Bios: Diddly dee, psshhhhh! Twinkle twinkle.

Hi-Saturn: BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHTHXINTHEHOUSE!!!

[worldly pulsar]

You will laugh. The core didnt boot with the 8bitdo M30 BT. If i boot the Core with my PS3 Controller, everything worked well. curious....

[wise brook]

western saturn bios be like

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-13232766

Jp saturn bios be like:

https://tenor.com/view/thx-logo-logos-thx-certified-dvd-gif-16343140

y'all better appreciate this joke.
I went into my gif overdraft for it

[tawny forge]

Does this core support any multi-region bios? In case it does, could someone provide a compatible bios md5? Thanks!

Daytona USA works for me!

Audio is too low though! 🤔

[pearl harbor]

I believe the Hi-Saturn bios is the multi region bios that works.

But yes, it does support them

[tawny forge]

Thanks!

@sudden tusk Thunder Force V freezes here

[pearl harbor]

It's definitely a finicky game at the moment. I've tried it a few times, and some times it freezes early on, and some times I can play a couple stages.

[errant prawn]

I cannot find anything searching pez mister vids

[drifting frigate]

VGE has a vid, and so does SmokeMonster, but I think there's some drama with him. I don't quite know the details and I don't care to. Here's VGE's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEXPdeAKvAc&pp=ygUKbXN4IG1pc3Rlcg%3D%3D

@naive whale - this is still fairly accurate, right?

[naive whale]

@tough star is this still accurate? Lol

[tough star]

yes

[naive whale]

I think it should be fine

Seems new enough. It’s the “new” thumbnail style for MiSTer and Vampier gave me a lot of info for it

I think I need to redo the Amiga vid to update it but I need to go through all my guides and see what needs a revisit

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, the new Amiga Vision build is pretty great. I have mine set up custom, but if I was just running games I'd be all over that image.

[errant prawn]

I'll probably be trying to set up msx...at the very least to a point where I can get Metal gear to run

So I'll give it a pulse check for ya

[summer anvil]

Same I've never played any metal gear and wanted to start from the beginning. Can it run on an SD CRT?

[errant prawn]

Well on the original msx core....o found watching vge's video you van just download a metal gear vhd and be done....ping if you need a link

[polar geode]

MSX is 15khz by default, and runs fine on a SD consumer CRT

It's one of the older computers designed to do so really

[summer anvil]

Sick

[pearl harbor]

Last I tried Metal Gear on the MSX core, it required a key board to play, which just doesn't feel great when trying to play it on a TV in gaming mode.

[frail token]

you can remap to gamepad

I did it briefly

[regal osprey]

Game worked well on a ps2 controller so it’s doable

[pearl harbor]

I couldn't figure it out when I tried it.

[frail token]

It's in the OSD, I do remember that you remap them in the opposite order of what I assumed

like press keyboard key then the button you want to assign it to or something, might be vice versa

[polar geode]

🤯

[sharp dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNyDjjDCD4&pp=ygUMam95Y29uIGRyaWZ0

[sudden tusk]

SEGA SATURN HOMES!

[frank crater]

is Zero 3 still working for you on the latest? I tried to fire it up last night and it hangs after the initial loading screen

[sudden tusk]

Last I checked it was all good except for some weak sound effects

I’ll check real quick

[sudden tusk]

Still works for me bro

[frank crater]

I'm gonna try again later

Kiddo wanted to play dramatic battle

[pearl harbor]

It works on my end as well.

[strong zephyr]

Hope it's all sorted, VGE's vid is way newer. PEZ i also cannot find anymore, guess the vids were taken down then. A shame cuz the guy had a lot of humo(u)r in his vids!

[errant prawn]

I can play metal gear with the vhd from ?nosferatu? Links that vge had...so I'm a happy camper

[worthy helm]

i confirm Darius II PAL to be working with 100% sound and graphics

the only game that has both for me so far

[cursive turtle]

Zero 3 still hangs for me

[strong zephyr]

Awesome! Pez had some vhd files (and maybe thats why they were gone?) but i actually didn't get round to mg, did play some shmups, and had to try castlevania! But pretty ot. So will try and see if i can play virtual on with twin sticks on the sat core. after playing, saturn update script i guess 😉

https://tenor.com/view/next-time-gadget-dr-claw-gif-6931131038764098881

And gets stuck on loading and judging from older comments i am not the only one....one day i will experience VO with twin joysticks as the gods intented!

[naive whale]

I’ve gotta work on Saturn and n64 tomorrow. I can’t neglect my one true love…Sega

[pearl harbor]

Please include Magic Knight Rayearth this time! It needs more love outside of Robby's fat baby obsession!

[drifting frigate]

Again? (hehe, I played past the lost forest for a capture a while ago...love that game. Now that there are saves, though...maybe I'll push further).

[pearl harbor]

This is how Robby sees Magic Knight Rayearth.

[naive whale]

You two. Half these Saturn videos are @pearl harbor and @sudden tusk request time 😂

[pearl harbor]

Why whatever do you mean? 👀

Well if I can only get one request this week, I'll take my F-Zero X N logo!

[drifting frigate]

Sorry. You're gonna get a little more.

[burnt matrix]

They’re fat tiny children the size of a postage stamp. I’ve seen more impressive sprites from the NES!

[polar geode]

Like Little Samson!

Oh, wait..

[pearl harbor]

At least they've graduated from fat babies to fat children. Progress!

[polar geode]

Can't stop here, @burnt matrix. This is fatbaby country.

[burnt matrix]

That’s not a fat baby, that’s a horrible misshapen demon. It doesn’t even have a nose or mouth for godsakes!

horns on the left and right were the biggest clue

[polar geode]

Clearly not dealing with an NES kid

[pearl harbor]

Mega Man had a mouth, but his lack of nose was a deal breaker for Robby.

[burnt matrix]

No the lack of ducking was the deal breaker

Hello, I can duck. Why can’t my fantasy action game where I live my surrealist fantasies can’t duck??

Ridiculous.

[pearl harbor]

True dat.

[polar geode]

I guess growing up under the stockholms syndrome of thinking the N64 is a good system with good games rotted Robby's juvenile brain.

Into the incinerator with this one, it's a dud. Bring out another Bobert clone from the vats.

[burnt matrix]

Hello I am pleased to meet you. Ranma 1/2 is peak anime, SEGA Saturn is one of the best consoles ever made (Nights + Radiant Silvergun + Magic Knight Rayearth), and the N64 doesn’t hold up with shitty crude graphics.

[polar geode]

approving nod, hand on chin

[burnt matrix]

We should get a sequel to Aeon Flux, what a great show.

[polar geode]

🤔

Eh.

[prisma wraith]

reign the conqueror was also by the same animator. worth watching if you dig the style

[burnt matrix]

ok I went too far, my bad

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that show taught me to hate Pythagoras

[polar geode]

A squared + B squared equals dick squared.

Or something.

[frail token]

There was a really good movie way better than the show

[burnt matrix]

yeah right I ain’t falling for that one lol

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-gif-18806029

[polar geode]

Potatoe? Wait thats not Quayle

[burnt matrix]

I’m impatient. I really want to do my “why does Saturn use fake polygons” troll but I’ll have to wait for another day. I guess I’ll actually play Magic Knight Rayearth now.

[polar geode]

Why does my I Robot not have an arcade core?

Existential questions abound Robby.

[burnt matrix]

Wow that would be great

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/i-robot-sonny-hiding-subterfuge-gif-25954630

[burnt matrix]

omg this game’s intro is 90s as hell

Everyone is a lady

Oh wait no there’s a sword dude

[polar geode]

Clearly the overengineered perfection of Atari's 1983 arcade game is too complex for MiSTer developers.

[burnt matrix]

Omg there are mechs?

Is this like the spiritual sequel to Valis

Back in the Eiffel Tower

Holy shit I forgot, their heads are literally larger than their own bodies

Like how can they sustain all that weight in their head what the hell

So I’m at the Eiffel Tower and there’s a rabbit show, an aquarium, and a kid that makes fun of Pac-man

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-are-you-talking-about-man-brad-pitt-wtf-gif-17709683

[high bramble]

It's true

[burnt matrix]

I’m playing Magic Knight Rayearth!!

Wow this is some grade a writing @pearl harbor

Wow!

[polar geode]

squint Robby is not using vscale 4 or 5

[high bramble]

He put a pin in that, too. He'll come back to it.

[burnt matrix]

No that’s just how the image shows up. I tried to set it to widescreen to make y’all angry but it didn’t work lol

[tight zinc]

Robby's gonna get his heart broken cause that game has the feels

[polar geode]

You didnt try turning off background layers in the OSD to incite irritation?

[burnt matrix]

that’s pretty good lol

@lusty rapids is this an accurate portrayal of what they eat in Japan?

[lusty rapids]

exclusively

[high bramble]

She's just not having a good day...

[burnt matrix]

omg this game has voice

[lusty rapids]

sushi and ramen are just americanized Japanese food

it's only cheese wiz bento here

[polar geode]

🤯

[burnt matrix]

That’s awesome!!

[tight zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-aesthetic-food-ramen-gif-19220701

[burnt matrix]

https://www.mommypeach.com/2014/12/bento-making-cheez-whiz-bento-mommas/

[lusty rapids]

Cheez Whiz and The Bento Mommas is my J-progrock band

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[tight zinc]

when you beat it (there might be other requirements too) you open up the outtakes

that's something I'd love to see other games do too

[high bramble]

The outtakes were a pretty typical Working Designs feature. Loved 'em.

[lusty rapids]

Vic Ireland at it again

working designs, more like broken mess amirite

[high bramble]

I haven't tried the Unworked Designs patch for that particular one.
* All enemies and their attacks do the damage they did in the Japanese version.
* Enemy speeds have been reduced to their original levels.
Those patches are the only way to fly for their Sega CD titles though.

[burnt matrix]

LOLOL look at this drawing

[lusty rapids]

big brain is original Japanese release only

the most unworked design of them all

[burnt matrix]

Was it bring your kids to work day and have them draw it?

I am for the working experience

[high bramble]

https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=23436.0

[tight zinc]

didn't they make the US release harder?

[high bramble]

Yep, same as with Lunar

[tight zinc]

ah yup

yeah, MKR isn't terribly easy (not that it's particularly difficult either tho)

[polar geode]

You're a figure of speech, 3 fatbabies in an overcoat!

Damnit he deleted it

[burnt matrix]

@polar geode

HAHAHA

[tight zinc]

no, they just make use of chibi characters a good bit

[burnt matrix]

IZZ GEEEEWD AHHHRT

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/solyi-obs-laptop-smash-smash-keyboard-keyboard-smash-gif-24661083

[high bramble]

It's funny, but back when I was playing Lunar and Lunar 2 on the Sega CD when they were first released, I didn't find them particularly difficult... back then. Revisiting them many years later, wow. Yep, I see it now.

[burnt matrix]

omg my wife knew immediately it was magic knight Rayearth

[tight zinc]

I think MKR was one of the first isekais

[burnt matrix]

More like It’s a sky

[high bramble]

Then again, in my early 20s, many games weren't nearly as difficult as I find many of those same games to be now. 😄

[burnt matrix]

Cause that’s what they got teleported to

[tight zinc]

me attempting to play AC:VI

[burnt matrix]

@polar geode why does glasses girl talk like Data from Star Trek

[tight zinc]

because she's a nerd

[burnt matrix]

I just realized their eyes are like half the size of their heads

[tight zinc]

dat CLAMP style yo

[burnt matrix]

MOAAAR GEEEWD AHHHRTTT

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/mha-my-hero-academia-katsuki-bakugo-bakugo-kacchan-gif-26283890

[tight zinc]

I'm reasonably sure the audio still isn't quite right in MKR tho; pretty sure those falling sounds should be one long slide and not stepped like they are

[tight zinc]

I see someone just figured out they're all the same age

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/dk-nintendo-donkey-kong-gif-23203423

[burnt matrix]

lmao the bad guy just said “it’s time for child abuse” like he’s gonna throw his slippers at them LOL

[burnt matrix]

lol you know this game

[tight zinc]

It was like 1 of 3 games I had on the saturn lol

[burnt matrix]

AHHHH

[polar geode]

Straight outta ~~Compton ~~The Bydo Empire

[high bramble]

I had that and probably 4 other games. Saturn was such a disappointment to me.

[tight zinc]

damn spider is bigger than the mechs!

[high bramble]

Dragon Force was another I had. That was cool.

"But the Japanese library was sooo much better!"
Okay... and? I live in the US... and I only speak English.
🤦‍♂️

[polar geode]

Skill issue

[lusty rapids]

as I always say, git gud

上手になれ

[burnt matrix]

wow so true, Magic Knight Rayearth

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-anime-gif-25990750

[tight zinc]

real nerds who've played it before know there are polygons

[polar geode]

Robby is 40 polygons in a rubber skin suit

[tight zinc]

more like 4 jittery aliased non-texture-filtered non-perspective-corrected PSX polygons

[polar geode]

Viva la jaggies!

Ride or die

[winter phoenix]

You clearly skipped the amazing English-localized OP

[burnt matrix]

This is peak voice acting

[visual grove]

It’s describing N64

[polar geode]

We're having too much fun in here

No good will come of this

[burnt matrix]

lol “escudo” means shield in Spanish

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-batch-ban-group-ban-oprah-ban-gif-21239786

[burnt matrix]

WOW GEWWD AHHRT!

[polar geode]

Don't forget to tell your hip cool kids that you have mastered the fatbaby game on Saturn

[burnt matrix]

Literal fat babies! Look at that!

[pearl harbor]

I think you mean grade S!

[pearl harbor]

This should be a new emoji!

Robby playing Magic Knight Rayearth is peak Discord content. Keep it coming!

[burnt matrix]

Damn look at those Sprites. Wow the Saturn is a 2D powerhouse.

Three fat babies with neon hairdos and a bunch of eyeball spiders made of four pixels.

[polar geode]

Fatbaby content sells. Youtubers take note.

[untold lintel]

You’re not on a CRT Robby you just wouldn’t understand the true beauty

[burnt matrix]

the romantic tension in this game is through the 32-bit roof!!

[polar geode]

[burnt matrix]

also there’s a leather clad dominatrix lady

[prisma wraith]

ugh tell it to your body pillow

I thought this was the Saturn channel, not PC-98?

[burnt matrix]

GEWD ANEEMAYSHUUUN

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/baka-anime-gif-22001662

[burnt matrix]

game is pretty cool, I’m enjoying it

It’s basically “Anime: The Videogame”

[lusty rapids]

most of the good ones be like that

[drifting frigate]

My brother has a full original copy with everything but the stickers. He keeps almost putting it up on eBay. One day either the price will hit a limit and he will, or the core will drop them and he'll stop worrying over it.

[pearl harbor]

HA! I also have the stickers!

Your brother is a fake fan confirmed!

Robby on the other hand only has the disk. Couldn't be a more fake fan if he tried. (at least he has the best girl disk with Umi!)

[drifting frigate]

He put them on his door at an old house 😦

He regrets it.

[pearl harbor]

As he should.

[sudden tusk]

This malicious trolling must stop!

I challenge you to a battle monsters death match !

[sudden tusk]

I PREDICT A NEW CORE BUILD TOMORROW!

[high bramble]

I thought he was being totally sincere.

I was thoroughly enjoying living vicariously through his joy and jubilation of experiencing a game that truly pushed the hardware to its limits.

[sudden tusk]

And that working designs translation work is 100% perfectly localized .. Japanese people do love cheese whiz and banto boxes

[kindred peak]

Why do you lash out like this, Bobby?

[burnt matrix]

I wasn’t loved by as a child 😭

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-richter-tcb-tin-can-bros-solve-it-squad-no-way-gif-20577755

no way man , no way

[winter phoenix]

Sega always loved you. You just hadn’t found your way to Sega yet

[high bramble]

I was abused by in my early twenties.
They made the Saturn... a system they knew I couldn't handle and wasn't ready for, but did it anyway.

[silk mauve]

Yeah, at least Sony warned us properly

[high bramble]

$299!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pero-no-te-enojes-el-chavo-chavo-del-ocho-chavo-del8-don-ramon-gif-11507197

[silk mauve]

Everywhere I went, Sony was prone to letting me know I wasn't ready

Sega just expected me to land on a gas giant

[sudden tusk]

Im gonna work out on my sega Saturn shirt to make all those Nintendo nerds at the gym uncomfortable

[drifting frigate]

El Chavo y Chav....the show nobody wants

[tidal raptor]

I'm glad someone remembers battle monsters

[nocturne silo]

Any suggestions to improve audio issues with Saturn core , I keep seeing bomberman is working fully, but whenever I try it either the background audio goes or the sound effects, same happens on other games like parodius. Is this normal and I should just enjoy what is working ?

[ancient surge]

The core is WIP, so some games having issues with audio is normal. All you can do is wait until a new build comes to fix the issues.

[nocturne silo]

Yeah I assumed it was that but wanted to make sure it wasn't just me 😂

[untold spear]

a friend got me to test magic knight rayearth...

the beginning of the game puts metal gear solid to shame

just.. so much dialog and set up. lemme play a lil between will ya

worked fine though

[drifting frigate]

Are most folks using the Un-Worked version or the OG? I haven't played unworked yet and wanted to know if it's worth it.

[glossy vigil]

I played Magic Knight Rayearth over the weekend, from start to finish on the most recent core version, and it ran marvelously. The only graphical issue I saw were some transparency effects that may not be accurate when the party is in a building with multiple floors. Then again, I never played it on original hardware so maybe it's correct? What a cute, charming game!

[small bear]

I am getting a black screen with this last core release (Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230829_04f601.rbf) ? Should I do some different settings with this latest version?

[drifting frigate]

Check pinned messages for Vampier's page.
Short answer: rename boot.rom to boot.bin and manually load bios after launching core.

[stiff patrol]

we need a bot to scan for Black Screen and just paste that answer

[small bear]

Renamed already. It is crashing before launching the core. Weird. Did you use any specific resolution for this core ?

[drifting frigate]

It crashes if it detects boot.rom in /games/Saturn (all media, so make sure you check any storage you use)

So that filename can't be there (copying doesn't work...you have to rename or delete it)

I hope it gets addressed in a future core update, but it's not a priority compared to the fixes I suppose.

[humble viper]

I'm sure it's been answered before but I have renamed it to boot.bin, have tried it on both fat and usb0, MiSTer crashes when I try to load the core

running the 0902 unstable MiSTer, 0904 would not start

0829 saturn build single sdram

[pearl harbor]

Do you still have boot.rom in the games folder? It will still crash if there is a file by that name in the folder.

You also need to manually load the boot.bin file fromt he OSD.

[humble viper]

not that I can tell, i deleted it

using midnight commander

do you manually load the bios before starting the saturn core?

I can't even get into the core, as soon as I load it the mister is unresponsive

have to power cycle

[pearl harbor]

Start the Saturn core. Then bring up the OSD and load the bios from there.

If it's unresponsive, then that's exactly what happens when a boot.rom file is still in the games folder.

If there isn't a boot.rom file in the games folder, then I honestly don't know what the cause is. It would be the first time I've encountered that scenario.

[humble viper]

games/SATURN/boot.bin

no boot.rom present

this is on usb0, hard drive attached w usb. No games/Saturn/ folder on fat

[drifting frigate]

Not sure if it's case sensitive, but /games/Saturn is what's listed by the core dev.

Also check that you don't have a copy of boot.rom in a network share/USB /games/Saturn folder.

[pearl harbor]

It probably is case sensitive. Someone on the Neo Geo thread had a similar problem with the CD folder not using proper casing for the letters.

Also maybe try to create a /games/Saturn folder on the SD card and put the bios in there to see if that fixes it.

[humble viper]

case change did not fix it

wondering if I need to delete the saturn folder and start over

[drifting frigate]

Might be worth a try. And definitely try it on SD instead of USB simply because of the alpha state of the core.

[pearl harbor]

What is the file name for the Saturn build you're using? Does it have .rfb at the end? Did you download it from here under unstable-nightlies?

[humble viper]

Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230829_04f601.rbf

yes

is there a bios that works generally the best?

downloaded new bios, put it in games/Saturn on the sd card, renamed hard drive folder to something else, same result

I am using ftp to put the boot.bin on the sd card

[drifting frigate]

Binary mode?

[ivory spoke]

Rename boot.bin to bios.bin

[humble viper]

removed usb drive, disconnected from network

renamed to bios.bin

still crashes MiSTer

same with 809 build

[drifting frigate]

That's so weird. It's acting EXACTLY like when a boot.rom is present.

[ivory spoke]

I wish there were a deeper way to diagnose. The bios.bin change happened a couple builds ago from what I remember. After renaming, did you attempt to reboot the core?

[humble viper]

yes, power cycled mister

yeah I don't understand it, I physically unplugged the usb drive and created a new folder on the SD card with only boot.bin on it, then renamed it to bios.bin

[ivory spoke]

Hmm ... Go into /media/fat/config/ , if using FTP, and delete any Saturn files there too and try again ...

Or just /config/ on the root of your SD card if you're just directly plugging in

[humble viper]

well I disconnected it from the network so I am using mc

just a few scaler config files

deleted and same result

honestly I think I will just try a reformat and try again later

just a pain as its a 256 gb card

idk

out of time for today though

thanks for the help troubleshooting everyone

[whole igloo]

anyone else having trouble with the latest dual ram saturn core? https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/actions/runs/6002925177 I'm getting a black screen just trying to load the core itself. Tried redownload and still no go. My jaguar and psx dual ram cores work fine. Also went back and tested the single ram saturn core and it's still working fine.

[ivory kindle]

@whole igloo

[mortal mist]

yeah, but single works fine

[ivory kindle]

oh hmm

[whole igloo]

yeah I just found this post talking about it as well, hadn't said anything because I'm still testing

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=2110&start=540

I'm able to at least load the core now, however no luck with games yet

[pearl harbor]

Did you manually load the bios?

[whole igloo]

haven't changed the bios since switching to the new dual ram core

[pearl harbor]

You need to manually load it from the core's OSD.

[whole igloo]

crap lol i see now, i was thinking the country selection, just noticed there's a spot for bios too

all good now!

thank you all!

[sudden tusk]

Another life saved from boredom’s cold grasp ..

Well done good sir

WE ARE ALL SATURN!

[whole igloo]

seems games are kind of hit and miss atm, I knew it was a WIP though

[sudden tusk]

Yep , lucky for you a new build is coming soon

I’m guessing we shall see much improvement with compatibility and sound

[whole igloo]

it's been like an early christmas getting the saturn core and now an N64 core so quickly

not gonna bother with n64 though till it's on update-all probably

[acoustic sable]

Next week at the rate Robert's going

[whole igloo]

right?! lol

[sudden tusk]

Lots of stuff is playable , I suggest you at least try it ..

[untold lintel]

I’m waiting

[lavish wadi]

I have had this issue. Backing down the resolution of the MiSTer from 2560x1440 to 1920x1440 seems to bring it back to life. Then I have to readjust the resolution back up.

Although, it happens with both single and dual for me.

[pearl harbor]

Isn't 1920x1440 the better resolution option anyway? I thought the 2560x1440 option actually gave you fewer pixels per inch because of how it stretches the image. I know I've tried both, and the 1920x1440 option provides a cleaner image for me.

[lavish wadi]

Honestly I don’t know, Just figured it’s better all the way up for those few widescreen experiences.

[lusty rapids]

depends on your display and how well it handles 4:3 resolutions

[lavish wadi]

Would be interested to know

[lusty rapids]

like how the LG C2 can take 1920x1440, but it introduces extra lag when it does

[pearl harbor]

Interesting. Is it the same with the LG CX?

[lusty rapids]

I think the CX is safe? C1 is supposed to be I believe

but the C2 and later measure with lag in 4:3 last any one timesluthed it

[lavish wadi]

I would like to test input lag, but don’t have the devices for it

My TV is an oddity for sure and is hard to get further numbers on

[whole igloo]

I've been finding it just depends on the game. In the beginning I wasn't manually hitting the bios which seems to kick some games into gear. ;)

[lavish wadi]

It appears the MiSTer and my TV are just losing sync. Does not happen with any other core except Saturn

[whole igloo]

What kind of TV is it? Just curious. I'll look up an image of it because why not ;)

[lavish wadi]

Sony 85Z9K - Don’t Judge 🤓 I just love HDR

[whole igloo]

ah okay haha ;) i thought you were using an old CRT for this like some do since you mentioned sync hehe

[lavish wadi]

I have a LG 77W9 OLED as well. Never use it

[whole igloo]

i picked up an LG 77in C3 a while back, love the blacks..everything just looks feckin fantastic lol

[lavish wadi]

Believe me, I’m not slamming OLEDs, I’m just a specular highlight HDR junkie

Once you see 3000+ nits it’s hard to go back. That is if the TV can control the light obviously

[whole igloo]

I've seen some side by sides, it just depends on what you're after I suppose. Like I said I've never seen blacker blacks hehe

due to that even at lower nits the screens pop!

that being said isn't it funny how going after retro stuff like mister that people are buying the old CRT's? I mean I loved my Sony Trinitron to death, but the first time I felt the weight difference getting my first LCD monitor I was like OMFG thank you for saving my back lol

[lavish wadi]

So true! CRTs are awesome! I’m just not at that point in my life anymore

[hollow quiver]

saw outrun working so had my kid try it. Now if only the yc build lined up like all the other cores in the middle on the crt

[sudden tusk]

For WHUT dawg?

[untold lintel]

I have an everdrive I’m not in a rush to jump through hoops to play half baked iterations of the games. He will have the core done done soon enough at this rate

[sudden tusk]

I don’t have that luxury so whatever new developments happen I’m all about it

[pearl harbor]

The testing is half the fun!

[sudden tusk]

I concur

And let us not forget the circumstances SRG is developing this core under ..

[burnt matrix]

I am a dirty plebe, I lack an ODE!!!

I have a Saturn with a bunch of games but I am too lazy to hook it up LOL

Just stays in my closet.

[lusty rapids]

I've got two saturns, so check mate tsumi

[burnt matrix]

but why

[lusty rapids]

you clearly don't https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/512157493976367134.webp?size=64 hard enough

pretend that emoji worked

at one point I had 3 or 4 different genesiseseses 2 saturns and 2 dreamcasts

2 game gears

[burnt matrix]

oh my gosh

[lusty rapids]

clearly have lost control of my life but I got rid of most of the genesises

[burnt matrix]

LOL

I mean I think that’s super cool

[lusty rapids]

there was a point in time where people were literally just throwing genesis consoles away for no money

and I'd just take 'em cause they free

[burnt matrix]

That’s awesome!!

[mortal mist]

very well done, SNES was better

[lusty rapids]

I mean, SNES was the actual console anyone played at my house

but free game consoles, so I just stacked genesises

no one was throwing away super nintendos, but everyone wanted rid of their sega

[burnt matrix]

Is this Japan or US

[lusty rapids]

US

if it was Japan times I'd call them mega drives

[burnt matrix]

true true

Mega Genedrive

[mortal mist]

impressive

[burnt matrix]

Damn, all that hardware and it still can’t do mode7

[drowsy hull]

Megacd can do it and 32x might as well

[burnt matrix]

don’t ruin my trolling with your facts and logic!

[mortal mist]

Robby says there is no mode 7

I only believe him, sorry

[drowsy hull]

Then improve your trolling

[burnt matrix]

A bridge too far for me

[high bramble]

But SNES didn't have Blast Processing™️

...it barely had processing.

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

@burnt matrix help!!!

[burnt matrix]

It’s hard fighting a battle on their turf

[mortal mist]

I promise , when the new core appears and there will be time for testing then I will not upload any gif 😛

[kindred peak]

I'd advise against waging war with Sega loyalists.

We're essentially leaderless zealots at this point. We can neither be saved or reasoned with.

[cunning citrus]

I've never seen more than one 32X system on a single photo before.

[pearl harbor]

I hate to say it, but I'm the same...👀

Which is why I love the Saturn core!

[burnt matrix]

So y’all are Ronin is what you’re saying?

[kindred peak]

While you were galavanting around the Mushroom Kingdom, we were studying the blade...er, Virtua Fighter.

[winter phoenix]

more like nomadic barbarians

[acoustic sable]

Somehow misread that as nomadic ballerinas. Still works.

[kindred peak]

It's out there.

[hearty carbon]

Saturn had some good ads back in the day

Sega just in general

[mortal mist]

[kindred peak]

The pack-in demo video disc got a lot of play with my launch Saturn. It's silly we used to think that nonsense was edgy and cool.

[high bramble]

Yep.

Remember doing the same with the sampler discs with my Model 1 Sega CD as well as the one that came with my 3DO.

[kindred peak]

The Crystal Dynamics adverts on their 32 bit games were wonderful 90s cheese.

[burnt matrix]

Damn why is this console so cool

[polar geode]

banishes Robby to Virtual Hydlide hell

[hearty carbon]

it was

😄

[strong zephyr]

Saturn IS hooked up, ode, rgb scart but…hate the memory. Either a dodgy battery or use my memory cart, but then i don’t have my 4mb extension. And to play it all ideally you’d need a 1mb and unofficial 4mb cart, and…swapping carts is bad for the cart port 😭 (thought about getting a Chinese all in one but not much faith in the quality…)

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I hated dealing with the battery.

[untold spear]

i think the cart port was bad for the cart port

[acoustic sable]

At least half the models were self-breaking, yeah

[kindred peak]

I'd say something about my 4 Saturns never having cart slot problems... but tonight they'd all choose to unalive themselves.

[untold spear]

i only had the one. i mentioned it previous, but i had to position it perfectly or it wouldn't work. and i mean, very precisely perfect. a gust of wind through the window was enough to make it not work. and that was a saturn that was never opened new in box at the time

left a bad impression lol

[burnt matrix]

Best game on the Saturn??

I’ll go first!

[tiny flare]

I want to get off his Wild Ride

[strange acorn]

nights into dreams

[burnt matrix]

Isn’t that the Balan Wonderworld copy cat game

[tight zinc]

Virtual Hydlide

[burnt matrix]

[subtle tusk]

The Yakyuuken Special: Kon'ya wa 12-kaisen!!

[burnt matrix]

[polar geode]

Oh sorry

I thought you said worst

[burnt matrix]

Is that a real game?

[tiny flare]

Virtual Hydlide On

[pearl harbor]

Hey, at least they're not fat babies!

[naive whale]

I had to get out of 64 chat for a minute and get back to my one true love. Saturn

Hydlide > Quest

[burnt matrix]

HMMMM

[naive whale]

God you are like the herpes people get from your mom. Persistent and spreading

[polar geode]

Utsurun Desu > Hydlide > Quest

[naive whale]

Can’t a man talk JANK without Robby around!

[burnt matrix]

fine I’ll stop, was just trying to get conversation going in the Saturn chat

[naive whale]

Beats getting another dm question about MARS. People think I know something

All I know is Bomberman is the greatest

[polar geode]

Damn what a jerky piece of bacon amirite

[naive whale]

Robby and I are in a shit talking war. Of our own making. The Great Hydlide wars

[polar geode]

My puns are too good for you people

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[kindred peak]

@burnt matrix Why you gotta keep hurting the Saturn survivors like this? Haven't we suffered enough?

But to answer your original question...

Smash Bros basically stole everything from this originator of greatness.

[topaz mica]

I actually love the concept from an expansion standpoint, extra vram and easy region unlocking. But the cartridge slot itself seems dodgy.

[sage axle]

TLDR: What is the current state of the core?

[drifting frigate]

Still alpha. Some games load again (Guardian Heroes), some don't anymore (Night Striker S). But it's different for everyone. Someone here has Night Striker working, in example. Still very early.

[sage axle]

Got it, thanks 🙂 I have no nostalgia for Saturn, that's why I'm not very into it

[hardy lodge]

I have no nostalgia for sega in general, but it's super fun to dive into the entire library. It's almost like a parallel universe of games to me.

[sage axle]

I will probably try it, if it reaches any stable version. There are sure very good games on the system

[burnt matrix]

I have no nostalgia for Saturn but it’s become one of my favorite consoles

[plush jetty]

It’s so insane when you realize how many amazing Japanese exclusives it has

[drowsy hull]

Now please send sega a 1billion usd check to be used for reentering the hw business

[visual grove]

the magic is long gone from some of these companies, look at Konami. You send them 1billion and they’d build a casino

[plush jetty]

Or more pachinko machines

[burnt matrix]

I think the US library is good enough

[plush jetty]

Trolling? Haha. It’s ok, but adding Japan is almost like an entire additional console

Of course, I say this with a shmup bias…

[burnt matrix]

Oh sorry, I meant to say I think the US library is good enough to be happy with. I would’ve been a content Saturn owner at the time.

The Japanese library is pretty awesome too but there are a ton of really cool US games.

[visual grove]

Loved mine and I mostly played VF1/2 with my buds and little else

[burnt matrix]

VF1 is awesome but VF2 probably would’ve been my favorite fighting game of that generation. That console port is seriously incredible stuff.

[visual grove]

I didn’t even hate Bug

It’s amazing what they pulled off

[polar geode]

Super Tempo is superior Bug

Go big, go import

[visual grove]

VF2 & VCOP are the best examples IMO of porting something to a less capable system but keeping the play completely intact

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhhh Virtua Coo, I love light gun games so I would’ve been in heaven with that one.

I’m not fixing my spelling mistake

[polar geode]

Friday brain teaser: How do 3 fatbabies in an overcoat manage to coordinate typing on Discord?

[visual grove]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-vibes-emmit-fenn-who-dat-music-gif-18494627

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/goodfeathers-animaniacs-pesto-thats-it-explode-gif-22419563

[frail token]

https://tenor.com/view/grown-adult-vincent-gif-19621711

[burnt matrix]

hmmmm yes, I love the video game!

[polar geode]

HELLO FELLOW KIDS

[frail token]

Best part of that show

[burnt matrix]

@polar geode I figured out how to give myself the shitposter role, I am so happy

[polar geode]

Talk about some nepotism.

You call what you do shitposting?

Back to the DS development mines with you!

[drowsy hull]

He is trying

[polar geode]

I bet Robby didnt even take the dev unit home that lets you hook up actual big screens to it

[frail token]

Oh man now I want dual 65" DS screens

[polar geode]

A black mark on your career, but eternal DS enjoyment like a true gamer

[burnt matrix]

Yeah I honestly wish I had my devkit still. I loved that thing.

[kindred peak]

I was a day 1 Saturn owner, and by the end of 96, jealousy of the PSX library kicked in hard. 🥲

[polar geode]

🫂

[burnt matrix]

Yeah the problem is definitely when you compare it to other systems.

the PSX is super unfair IMO, that's one of the best platforms of all time

Saturn vs N64 is a great comparison

[polar geode]

Saturn vs N64 is just 2D vs 3D

If you choose 3D, you're wrong and should feel bad.

[burnt matrix]

oh

[kindred peak]

Maybe it was just the age group and friend circle I had at the time, but the N64 was looked at like a kids toy. Nobody in my circle had one.

PSX and a PC was the common combo. A few of us still had Saturns. But N64 was a joke to us.

This is all memories of the viewpoint of a very edgy teenager, and funny to look back on.

[polar geode]

Finally, someone who understands. I had no time for N64 stuff as an edgy teenage cool person

[kindred peak]

Selling Banjo Kazooie to an a-hole 18 year old wasn't going to happen. 🤣

[polar geode]

Twisted Metal, Tekken

Riiiiidge Raaacer

[kindred peak]

97-98 was a jaw-dropping time for PSX games. RE2, Metal Gear Solid, SotN, Gran Turismo, FF7... what a time.

[kindred peak]

Funny anecdote: buying a copy of Die Hard Arcade at Babbage's, the cashier says "you know you need a Saturn to play this, right?". Yes, I have one. They replied "oh..." and rang me up.

That pretty much sums up being a Saturn owner back then. 😂

[untold lintel]

lol

[visual grove]

Yeah I was a senior in HS when N64 came out, I didn’t care about pokemons. Played some in college on roommates N64 but that’s it. Almost exclusively Goldeneye

Didn’t even play my Saturn as much by college, too busy with rainbow6 & UT on the college network

I did buy a PSX for castlevania and FF7 but then it was stolen out of my future wife’s car when her car was stolen. Overall that time was a bit of a console gaming hiatus for me. In conclusion, suck it N64

[kindred peak]

Thanks for coming to Doyle's TED Talk.

[visual grove]

Please subscribe to my patreon

My supporters names are scrolling up the screen

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[polar geode]

What is a doyle, and why does it game?

Mysteries abound.

[visual grove]

The name Doyle is derived from the gaelic Ó Dubhghaill which comes from the irish “Dubh” meaning Dark and “Gall” meaning stranger. Dark Stranger is a description given to describe the invading Vikings

[polar geode]

So your favorite game is .. 3 dirty dwarves. Got it

[kindred peak]

You totally should've gone with GamingDarkStranger

[high bramble]

I've had my model 2 Saturn since it was released, and I still have zero nostalgia for it.

Digging the core though. 🙂

[warped cliff]

I totally feel that, though I have some slight nostalgia for nights into dreams. I briefly played it in 1998

it certainly left an impression even though I sucked at it

[polar geode]

I found a Saturn analog controller in my desk cabinet. Kind of wondering if it would be allright for N64 core

[drowsy hull]

Z trigger might be a problem

Left shoulder would be free for the usual middle grip, but might feel strange

[polar geode]

N64 channel says the triggers might be weird

But otherwise should work with the tweaked main

Just need to actually find a USB adapter for it that supports analog

Ah sonik's adapters support it

[kindred peak]

It's already hall effect, which is all the rage now.

[polar geode]

thinks about any 3D N64 games she might want to play

. . . . . .

Oh, nevermind I'll just send it to wizzo

[warped cliff]

It would be nice to see a 3d analog controller inspired N64 controller

[winter phoenix]

Same 🤝

[burnt matrix]

yeah but I just enjoy the Saturn, you're actively involved in making the Saturn fandom an amazing thing to be a part of lol

🥳 @winter phoenix 🥳

[winter phoenix]

Everyone who plays and talks about the Saturn is involved in making Saturn fandom an amazing thing 💪

[mortal mist]

@burnt matrix bleeehhhh Saturn is a very bad console , not even able to mode7

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/aOhKflH90k0?si=MV_eomgm6WUVIHQ_

Get on this fatbaby goodness @burnt matrix

[mortal mist]

love that game ❤️

[kindred peak]

Keio 2 would be more respected if it wasn't called Keio 2. 😄

[polar geode]

Yes I know it is not a shmup

But its fun!

[kindred peak]

It is! But it's like if R-Type 2 was a platformer.

[polar geode]

Its like if R-Type was.. a real time strategy game ... 🤔

[kindred peak]

Imagine if Daytona USA 2 was a Puyo Puyo game...

[kindred peak]

We aren't going to talk about that, batty.

[polar geode]

Or if Momotaro was... a train simulator board game

[kindred peak]

Where @burnt matrix ? Gonna need a ban over here.

[mortal mist]

@burnt matrix makes a surprise attack 😛

[kindred peak]

Maybe we can get Robby hooked on the 32 bit greatness of the Saturn, and his next game will be wobbly quads with sweet pixel art.

[polar geode]

But snart.

What if Rockman was a Monopoly clone?

[kindred peak]

What if Rockman was a soccer game?

[polar geode]

🤯

[kindred peak]

Checkmate

[polar geode]

defeated

[high bramble]

What if Rockman was a Rock-Paper-Scissors game... but he could only choose Rock.

[drifting frigate]

Rockman, Ben Grimm, and Dwayne Johnson need to make a decision. It does not go well...

[frail token]

It kind of is

[sudden tusk]

What if Rockman was a crack headed super hero , fighting crime for rocks

[half hornet]

The latest version of the core crashes my MiSTer when loading it up, is anyone else seeing this issue?

[pearl harbor]

Rename the bios from boot.rom to boot.bin. Make sure there is no boot.rom file in the games folder or it will still crash. Then load the bios manually from the core's OSD.

[hearty carbon]

I rented this once.

[burnt matrix]

what did you think?

[hearty carbon]

I remember the candles as life meters and how in an era flooded with bad fighting games it stood out as particularly bad. 😄

It looked good in screen shots when it wasn't moving and had a horror theme... I was fooled at the time

The stages that you could fight on being multi-tiered was kind of cool.

[kindred peak]

I bought it on release based on the cracked out Gamefan review. 😂

It's jank. But the fun kind.

[next bronze]

U DID IT

[strong zephyr]

Oh same here, was so hyped that we could get the quality in Capcom and snk that the extra memory provided. But the build quality and basically 3 carts required for ‘everything’ is annoying. Mister will solve that!

[strong zephyr]

Well not only did the saturn get (some) slow pal games in europe. We also did not get the ram expansions 😭. Still enjoyed the capcom stuff and pal kof95. Sega rally was awesome. And i had a pc so enough to keep busy. Would have loved access to import stuff back then though. Think i would have enjoyed the shmups a lot as well. Though i find myself mainly playing 16 bit stuff nowadays.

[verbal topaz]

Loving the saturn progress. Has their been any talk about multi-tap support? I would love to try 10 player Bomberman again at some point.

Sorry, didn't mean to reply to mario there.

[pearl harbor]

You may not have meant to, but you did! And now you have to deal with the consequences of me replying to your reply!

Regarding multi-tap support, I assume that it would work through SNAC? Honestly not sure though.

Robby is plotting against you @sudden tusk ! #1096015979055697940 message

[verbal topaz]

Yeah, it probably would. I was maybe hoping for someone to release a double snac like the PS1 https://misterfpga.co.uk/ PSX adapters.

I still have two multitaps and like 10 saturn pads.

Because I need to get out more.

[stiff patrol]

I dont know 10 people !

[pearl harbor]

I only have 2 Saturn pads. The "normal" one and the 3D pad that came with my copy of Nights.

[verbal topaz]

I lot of them aren't in great condition. But I haven't bothered replacing them, as who needs 10 saturn pads.

[pearl harbor]

We all need 10 Saturn pads!

[burnt matrix]

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don't mind me lol

[whole igloo]

It's a shame discord forces those messages into chat just to move pins.

[burnt matrix]

I don't know why but it didn't click with me that I could just delete those messages until I read your post. So thank you!

[whole igloo]

No problem. It wasn't bothering me any. I just think it should be a feature we can turn off.

[glass aurora]

Does the Saturn Twin Stick work with SNAC on this core?

[drifting frigate]

I don't think SNAC works at all currently (I may be wrong), but Twin Stick emulation works on a pad and Reflext supports a real Twin Stick HSS 0154.

[glass aurora]

that's cool to hear about reflex! I don't know much about how it works. looking for it to become available so I can play with it.

[drifting frigate]

I've been using it with a Saturn 3D pad and it's, to my feel, perfect.

Hopefully it comes back in stock quickly...it really is a nice piece of kit.

[tiny flare]

Mine is taking an eternity to ship, pretty sure it got to Australia pretty fast then it got stuck at the airport…

[burnt matrix]

No you’re right. SNAC hasn’t been incorporated in the core yet. There’s a forked build from late last year that had SNAC but it’s so old I don’t recommend anyone use it.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, I vaguely remembered that which is why I was cautious about being absolute. Thanks for the info!