it just goes to a black screen and my mister freezes
#Sega Saturn
honest shale
the only one i can get to load the bios at all is the one under the #test-builds feed
from #test-builds message
but i can't get a single game to load
even with that
dawn moth
you have to name it boot.bin for this build. a typo in the code? We don't know why. It should load and tell you cd bios not found. Load it manually the first time. Then you should be good to go. It will keep saying cd bios not found, but it will load fine. if you see the exploding saturn logo the bios has loaded
burnt matrix
thank you!
To truly show your thanks you should play Virtual Hydlide or Bug! Both games officially endorsed by the MiSTer Discord.
honest shale
Done and done
winter phoenix
burnt matrix
SO GOOD!!! 
warped cliff
last I remember, alpha state means that it's feature complete. yet it can't handle saves?
hot siren
last I remember, alpha state means that it's feature complete. yet it can't hand...
In my defintion Beta is Feature complete but not release ready
There is no formal definition of this though
lusty rapids
let's just say, WIP aka Work In Progress
warped cliff
I've always known beta to mean that there are minimal if any critical bugs, and its ready for marketing and public testing
lusty rapids
as in, work is happening
frail token
last I remember, alpha state means that it's feature complete. yet it can't hand...
Sergei to my knowledge has never called it alpha or beta or anything he just quietly works on it and releases updates periodically
Sergey?
however it's spelled
srg320 lol
warped cliff
yeah exactly, it's not even a release
hot siren
yeah, srg320 has no official "nameing scheme"
warped cliff
also he hasn't officially released anything for Saturn
so it wouldn't be named anyway
warped cliff
pre-alpha would be accurate
lusty rapids
I really think WIP describes it
hot siren
I've always known beta to mean that there are minimal if any critical bugs, and ...
every organization has its own schema, the one I usually worked with is:
alpha: not feature complete, but some feature working, even though buggy
Beta: feature complete, but everythign is still buggy
Releas canidate: all known bugs ironed out, ready for intense testing
frail token
He posts on patreon occasionally and works on the code
frail token
every organization has its own schema, the one I usually worked with is:
alpha: ...
srg320 isn't an organization
he's a dude working on code
warped cliff
so your schema doesn't include pre-alpha..
hot siren
a) a dude working on some codne can still be on "organization"
b) this is completely besides the point and nitpicking
frail token
indeed
hot siren
so your schema doesn't include pre-alpha..
pre alpha: no feature is in any state of done
frail token
I'm just clarifying for whoever is arguing about what this core "should" or shouldn't have and the "official" status lol
warped cliff
🤔 what would be the point then?
lusty rapids
the status is code exists and we dick around with it
hot siren
The Org I work at the moment has btw none of these states and just tracks "build numbers" for example
hot siren
the status is code exists and we dick around with it
well there is an "official" status, which is "not released", since it only exists as Unstable nightlies 😉
In the mister sense the software stages could be organized in:
"pre everything"
"unstable nightly"
"released in the main repo"
if you wanted as such ^^
warped cliff
I guess we can conclude that some people call pre-alphas alphas and vice versa.. and the occasional confusion shall persist.
hot siren
that we certainly can say
lusty rapids
I don't know why we're trying to put any of this into stages. I don't know who it helps. It's just srg320 doing us a kindness
warped cliff
I just don't see a point in your definition of pre-alpha, that may was well be a prototype, but even that would have at least a few essential features
frail token
why is this even a conversation
warped cliff
gee thanks
hot siren
Because this is the way Conversation works.
Someone says something, somone asks about that, and boom, conversation
frail token
Yeah but why are we arguing about the status of Saturn and the made up status lol
warped cliff
we're talking about states in general
frail token
alright it just sounded like osmeone was mad that Saturn didn't have saving because it was called Alpha or something
lusty rapids
the stage the saturn core is currently in is hoobily doo, after that is bippty foo, then giggly gorb
frail token
maybe I mistook the direction of conversation
hot siren
well it said it was "alpha" to convey something, and from there a conversation startet what "alpha" means, not even in relation to the core itself, but from a thoretical standpoint
warped cliff
did I sound mad? 😄
frail token
ahh well carry on I just didn't want to see someone besmirching srg320 because "he" was calling his core "alpha" but didn't have saves lol
I probably just totally misunderstood
warped cliff
last I remember, alpha state means that it's feature complete. yet it can't hand...
@frail token in case you care, I'll tag it for reference
frail token
Yeah that's the comment I saw
warped cliff
note that I didn't mention anything about what srg320 is calling it
frail token
well right I was lacking context and took it the wrong way, apologies
hot siren
no hard feelings, misunderstanindigs happen 🙂
frail token
Don't let me interrupt now that I've disrupted the Alpha pre Alpha Beta pre Beta discussion 🙂
mortal mist
It's beta , zeta, omega ,psi
hot siren
Sierra Hotel India Echo Lima Delta
frail token
Charlie Foxtrot Tango
mortal mist
lol don’t expect to be able to save when the core isn’t even in beta yet
Ekhm ... Omega Psi core!
burnt matrix
All development phase descriptors of this core’s current state is made up based on conjecture.
So if someone says alpha and someone else says beta, they’re just really saying “shits not done yo, it be broke”
tidal raptor
Very very not done. Though, I guess the hype for Saturn is just too much.
burnt matrix
Very very not done. Though, I guess the hype for Saturn is just too much.
As someone who completely missed the Saturn in its heyday, dude this system is so awesome!
tidal raptor
Oh yeah for sure, I really love what the Saturn has to offer. It's been really exciting seeing each update slowly unlock more of it. Though I have my actual Saturn as the ready until the core is done done lol
dusty otter
Is there a prefered bios to use with the Saturn core? I've experimented with a few and the only boot up sounds I get are with the Hi Saturn bios.
hot siren
Is there a prefered bios to use with the Saturn core? I've experimented with a f...
1.01 JP
but since at the moment you can load bios manually into the core you could just experiment with several and see what wortks best
dusty otter
I've been through a few and landed back on JP 1.01.
Has anyone tested Tempest 2000? I read on the forums that's it's working but when I tested it you can play the original Tempest mode as that's just a vector grid but when attempting to play Tempest 2000 it has a shaded grid but it's displayed for me as flat white polygon so you can't see enemies on the grid.
polar geode
ancient surge
I use the region-free 1.02 Hi-Saturn bios for general use.
fleet trout
is there a specific folder structure for multi disc games?
frail token
is there a specific folder structure for multi disc games?
I don't know about this core currently as it's pre alpha or whatever, but traditionally you make a folder with the game name, then the two discs go inside (they can be Disc 1 and Disc 2 or whatever you like)
fleet trout
ok sweet thank u didn't see anything mention on the wiki so wasn't sure if it was anything specific
frail token
For PSX, Sega CD and TGCD that's the method anyway
fleet trout
ugh now its just not booting any games?
it says checking cd contents or w/e then its stuck on the set cd+g channel?
and not boot software
oh and the latest nightly wont even boot lol
mortal mist
for the last nightly - rename boot.rom to boot.bin
fleet trout
ahhhhh really?
mortal mist
yes
fleet trout
ok let me try that
mortal mist
load bios manually
fleet trout
ok now i can get the OSD to pop up but gives a bios error when loading a disc
mortal mist
load bios manually
fleet trout
how do you do that
mortal mist
load bios optio in osd
mortal mist
np
fleet trout
is there a way to make it auto load the bios?
mortal mist
not now
fleet trout
ah okay
yeah i was using a core from 2022 so it was very old
didn't know it changed
mortal mist
something has changed with the last core, it will probably be corrected
mortal mist
we also did not know that something had changed until the last core 😄
fleet trout
ahahaha
winter phoenix
All multi-disc games on the Saturn require a small save file to be created in the console’s internal save RAM, which is then used when the next disc is inserted to determine whether you can continue. Since the MiSTer core can’t save, I imagine no multi-disc games will work beyond the first disc.
thorn pagoda
it might? i've noticed you can actually save in some games, it just doesn't remember past a restart
its like saving to ram only
winter phoenix
Oh really? Well that’s nice, at least there’s some way, even if it’s not permanent yet
turbid crescent
it might? i've noticed you can actually save in some games, it just doesn't reme...
but the disc swap does restart the core, right?
sudden tusk
it might? i've noticed you can actually save in some games, it just doesn't reme...
I would stick to arcade ports on the core for now if your aim is to complete games
But of course you can always just leave your MISTer on
thorn pagoda
i'm just waiting for resident evil to get stable then i can finish it in like 2 hours ish 😄 no saves needed
silver gale
damn i don’t know how you guys manage to get anything working lol.
i wanted to see the progress made, i can’t even run any games anymore on latest nightly and non-nightly latest mister update.
i get the bios popping, loads fine and doesn’t go to cd player but then black screen and that’s it
been searching this thread and couldn’t find anything 😦
of course, just when i send this message… princess crown magically works.
green swift
It'll be nice to have an English translation of that some day. Looks like the one that started in 2013 stalled out.
silver gale
Yeah I checked again, such a shame. The game is beautiful and is great to play.
turbid crescent
hopefully AI will push some things forward, at least on the translation front. Better tools are showing up as well.
burnt matrix
Yeah, I feel bad for anyone who does game translations. Most of them will be out of a job in a few years. Just need one person overseeing translations instead of a team.
turbid crescent
AI will be a bigger game changer than the internet itself was, IMO.
Plus, very likely "soon" we'll have some AI dedicated to map traces as well, which will also help on FPGA versions of several chips.
sudden tusk
Well at least there is a very comprehensive English guide for princess crown , a couple of builds back it got me to the meat of the game but I stopped since I can’t save
astral crane
damn i don’t know how you guys manage to get anything working lol.
i wanted to s...
So do I, did u saw that the Saturn folder is missing after update?
scarlet goblet
Is AI translation as good as ahuman or is it another case where mediocre things are easy that used to be harder, and it drives away good ones?
burnt matrix
it’s not as good as human but it’s getting better day by day
It’s pretty mediocre to awful without any polish or review
lusty rapids
I think an AI translator would need to understand the actual game scene happening for the line it is translating
and understand the characters it is translating
so much context is just plain lost if you do text only
scarlet goblet
Someone put a Light Fantasy SNES fan translation on rhdn which says it was translated using chatGPT.
lusty rapids
there's a video out there for Welcome House which has a chatgpt patch
and it pretty much looks like any other machine translated patch (read: not good)
next bronze
Why is everyone talking about things being translated by the guy with the big nose from Happy Days?
scarlet goblet
I try to read old Perry Rhodan using machine translation through Google Translate. Requires some hacks, especially since Google has a size limit.
lusty rapids
as always machine translation has varying results depending on what the source and target languages are
next bronze
doh. forgot about the different l, so much for my silly joke
lusty rapids
but it's still really terrible for Japanese to English
ancient surge
A machine will never understand context no matter how much you teach it. That's why you still need an actual human so you make sure the right words are said in the right situation.
scarlet goblet
Perry Rhodan is German which isn't quite as bad. But it gets pronouns wrong very often.
burnt matrix
and it pretty much looks like any other machine translated patch (read: not good...
Oh man it makes the game funnier
lusty rapids
Pronouns are always so funny in Japanese -> English translations since they're not really used a lot in Japanese so you end up with the machine inserting random pronouns into places and just guessing
scarlet goblet
It gets them in the right places but it doesn't always get he/she/it/they right.
tidal raptor
as was said before, I don't think AI translation is ever gonna be completely solved, especially for a language that can get kind of ambiguous like Japanese. It'd likely have to also analyze the scene in which the dialogue occurs to get the context right. You'd need someone to double check those things for accuracy, and at that point, why not just have someone translate it by hand in the first place.
I however think we're gonna get a million AI translations in the future because it's cheap and easy, and that's gonna suck because the quality is gonna go completely out the window.
lusty rapids
I think AI can assist human translators a bit, but yeah I don't think it could actually replace any
deepl is actually pretty decent in isolation, some of the time, for Japanese, but it's awkward enough I can't really suggest people use it without any Japanese understanding
burnt matrix
deepl is actually pretty decent in isolation, some of the time, for Japanese, bu...
deeplは、単体で使う分には、日本語としてはかなりまともなのだが、日本語がまったくわからない人にはあまりお勧めできない。
Although deepl is quite decent as a stand-alone Japanese language, it is not recommended for those who do not understand Japanese at all.
perfect
lusty rapids
完璧だ
silver gale
So do I, did u saw that the Saturn folder is missing after update?
Ah, no. I just had to remove the boot.rom like everyone else hah.
I think my RAM isn’t fast enough as I see on other comments. I have the same issues like white screen on Sega Rally etc but I can play Powerslave and Sonic R 😂
winter phoenix
It just occurred to me that the universal translator in Star Trek would probably use AI 🪦
lusty rapids
it's just a babelfish inside a metal case
frail token
I like in Star Wars how two identical words followed by one other word can be an entire sentence
pearl harbor
Someone put a Light Fantasy SNES fan translation on rhdn which says it was trans...
Ha, I actually tried that out yesterday when I heard it was machine translated, just to see the damage. And it was shockingly bad. Even within the first 5 minutes, I knew I could never play it that way.
brazen grove
Ah, no. I just had to remove the boot.rom like everyone else hah.
I think my RA...
Just as a data point, I'm new to Mister, but am trying out the Saturn nightly with 2x 128MB SDRAM 3.0 boards in place. In Sega Rally, if I use the Dual SDRAM build, I get a white screen and no gameplay. If I use the single SDRAM build (with dual SDRAM still installed), I can play Sega Rally OK. 👍
I haven't read all the posts above, but just thought I'd mention. 😃
silver gale
Oh. Surprising that the dual ram does this.
I’m no expert at all , maybe the core is not ready at all so maybe he didn’t figure out the timings yet for the RAM? 🤔
polar geode
Things are very random with this core, even between different revisions of ram and builds, on single or dual ram systems so its too hard to pin down overall compatability right now. Core needs time in the oven, basically.
subtle tusk
I have dual ram but both ram boards are kinda spotty with not great test results. I figure this is why the Saturn core seems to run worse for me than it does for other folks.
polar geode
I have older revision RAM board from 2-3 years ago myself, been thinking of biting the bullet and getting digital i/o and buying 2 new ram boards
subtle tusk
If I continue to have trouble with the Saturn core as it gets more complete I might have to do the same thing.
burnt matrix
As a reminder, some things will break as the whole improves. It’s normal part of development. Especially since optimization isn’t the priority now.
If the latest core update is no longer running your favorite game. It is what it is, no one has a sure fire solution. Expect that moving forward.
That wasn’t directed at anyone. I post that reminder once in a while for people who either are new or lurk.
frail token
I took it personal
burnt matrix
I took it personal
I’m sorry
burnt matrix
I guess today we saw the REAL Robby
Big if true
frail token
True if big
sudden tusk
That wasn’t directed at anyone. I post that reminder once in a while for people ...
You think we are FPGA noobs ? I have never been so insulted in my life !
pearl harbor
That wasn’t directed at anyone. I post that reminder once in a while for people ...
No forgiveness.
burnt matrix
cold egret
I guess you'll have to do a ukulele apology
kindred peak
Robby has struck a hurtful blow to this entire Discord.
pearl harbor
No good deed goes unpunished.
turbid crescent
You guys will be in for a surprise in a very short period of time with AI.
Don't take ChatGPT as the "standard", it's as alpha as the saturn core, currently.
errant heart
Where does one download the Saturn nightly core these days? I thought it would be in a pin but it's not
Does srg320 provide builds on Patreon?
I'll find out in a minute, just signed up!
zinc vine
#unstable-nightlies message
errant heart
The dualRAM build seems to completely hang my MiSTer
Oh wait, I need MiSTer nightly too don't I
mortal mist
Rename boot.rom to boot bin
errant heart
Ah thanks, I'll try that first
Ok, core is booting now but I'm getting the message "Game disc is unsuitable for this system"
Oh, might be a region thing
Yup, that was it!
My games are all US region
naive whale
Robby has struck a hurtful blow to this entire Discord.
he really is the worst
native dagger
https://youtu.be/2dj0i1B_9hw
Never played it but does the water normally slide around like that in Panzer Dragoon?
clear condor
next batch of fun
"about as good as a d-pad, which is to say, nowhere as good as a wheel"
Have you tried Saturn Daytona CC with a wheel?
(or an analog joystick)
naive whale
"about as good as a d-pad, which is to say, nowhere as good as a wheel"
Have yo...
it was more just general conversation about d pad vs wheel
clear condor
word
After I submitted the PR with the other controller options, I was curious if it was working out for people, lol
burnt matrix
MiSTer FAST FACTS
The SEGA Saturn was named after SEGA’s then President Sega Jackson’s desire to come up with a brand name that perfectly encapsulates SEGAs place in the market. After realizing SEGA was just a hollow shell constantly orbiting Nintendo’s success, the rings from the planet Saturn was the perfect inspiration.
random shard
As a reminder, some things will break as the whole improves. It’s normal part of...
I have a mode and a fenrir 👍
kindred peak
***MiSTer FAST FACTS***
> The SEGA Saturn was named after SEGA’s then President ...
Who hurt you, Robby?
burnt matrix
I have a mode and a fenrir 👍
Ahh that’s really cool
I love Saturn, I wish I had an ode
shrewd patrol
Should I buy a Saturn and an ODE or be patient for the core? I’ve never played a Saturn game
mortal mist
it depends how much you want to wait 🙂
hard to say when core will be ready
we all know what situation srg320 is in
shrewd patrol
My curiosity might get the best of me
tawny forge
Or not 🙃
untold lintel
Have you considered trying out the core…?
sick hare
Should I buy a Saturn and an ODE or be patient for the core? I’ve never played a...
I'm in the same situation, but the core is promising and fenrir is expensive
acoustic sable
I got myself a Satiator when that came out, maybe three years back? I don't regret it, but it was three years ago so I've had that time to play Saturn games. I wouldn't consider getting one now.
lusty rapids
there's always Saturn and a pseudo Saturn Kai cart as a cheaper alternative
(if you still have to have cdrs and a CD burner around)
lusty rapids
sometimes I forget some people don't have a stack of drives sitting around
acoustic sable
TBF people here are more likely to have a still-working CD writer than most audiences
lusty rapids
I've gone through the process of repairing old drives because redump garbage
still tho, if someone happens to have a disc drive around, a Pseudo Saturn Kai cart isn't a bad choice
drowsy hull
Satiator was a wild ride
PoF video and then years of nothing
Meanwhile everyone and their dog released saturn odes
lusty rapids
well, there's mode from awfulonion and fenrir from Mr never in stock
glad satiator finally came out as an option for people willing to spring for it
drowsy hull
He cannot produce enough esp32 based boards with 3-4 passive xomponents on ti?
acoustic sable
PoF video and then years of nothing
There was a continuous dev blog
kindred peak
Yeah, in fairness he was incredibly transparent. Just very slow progress.
acoustic sable
Hobby projects innit
visual grove
I’ve been happy with the satiator
zinc vine
satiator was unavailable at that times of purchase
visual grove
But I came in late when the problems were basically all fixed / being wrapped up and didnt have to wait to get it
kindred peak
Can't all be stuff like BigPEmu that just comes out of nowhere and does what everyone wanted without asking. 😆
Advantage of commercial backing, right?
drowsy hull
I miss the option to connect a simple button to fenrir which acts as a lid toggle/next image button with fenrir
Unless such a thinh was added after the initial release
noble escarp
I miss the option to connect a simple button to fenrir which acts as a lid toggl...
I use fenrir web interface for this
burnt matrix
***MiSTer FAST FACTS***
> The SEGA Saturn was named after SEGA’s then President ...
MiSTer FAST FACTS
When SEGA decided to name their newest console the SEGA Saturn they still hadn’t decided what visual direction to take their games in. President Sega Jackson had an epiphany, to make all their games like the planet Saturn’s rings; flat, lifeless, and unpopular. Thus Sega prioritized 2D games for the Saturn.
kindred peak
Robby woke up and chose violence.
brazen rampart
I tried running the latest nightly and all I got is a black screen and no OSD
the nightly from May doesn't have this issue
ok, renaming the bios to boot.bin fixed it
turbid crescent
I use Rhea/Phoebe for some years now, when it was the only solution.
Remember staying up through the night hitting refresh on the GDEMU site.
burnt matrix
Robby woke up and chose violence.
No one takes my bait, people here are too smart lol
kindred peak
No one takes my bait, people here are too smart lol
Well you can't go from being the nicest person here to a troll within 3 messages. Let the trolling breathe. 😆
burnt matrix
@silk mauve shut me down well though. I would’ve also accepted Astal.
kindred peak
<@103452322310406144> shut me down well though. I would’ve also accepted Astal.
See... A real troll would've mentioned the PlayStation version as a response. Wouldn't have ported it to the superior console if the Saturn was enough. 😄
kindred peak
Silhouette Mirage was, but I'll claim the accidental double troll! 👏👏🤯
kindred peak
Sorry, batty. You got got!
polar geode
🤯
burnt matrix
I’m at a science museum with the family and of course I immediately recognize a GRS spinner installed in one of the exhibits lmao
kindred peak
Double dork dad points for taking out your allen key set (because you're a nerd), tightening it, and proclaiming "that's not going anywhere".
polar geode
I posted in the wrong channel, sorry
subtle tusk
I had a Saturn, the one I bought new in 1996, but it disappeared in one of my moves over the years. I still have all the games, the controllers, even the cables but not the console itself.
If I still had it I would have installed an ODE in it.
kindred peak
Prolly time to jettison those games if you're not attached to them. Saturn market is super high.
lavish wadi
Saturn just needs a good HDMI mod like Dreamcast.
clear condor
Hopefully someday there will be some kind of FPGA Saturn that can load games from an SD card and output over HDMI
polar geode
Uhh
clear condor
Maybe it could even play Atari ST games
kindred peak
Dare we dream.
burnt matrix
remove the Atari ST part and you’ve got yourself a deal
drifting frigate
remove the Atari ST part and you’ve got yourself a deal
"Lose the Celine Dion tickets and you've got a deal."
naive whale
after a delay due to that whole ER thing...the Virtual Hydlide signed copy...the winner via an RNG picker...is a member here
kindred peak
It's Robby, isn't it?
naive whale
which is probably not surprising because the entire video was because of this channel but still...announced at 5 pm
frail token
It's me
old pasture
Remember I withdrew my entry, as I don't have a Saturn. Please let someone else have it 🙂
hollow quiver
https://tenor.com/view/silhouette-mirage-treasure-video-game-sega-saturn-gif-225...
I can barely understand how to play it tbh
naive whale
Remember I withdrew my entry, as I don't have a Saturn. Please let someone else ...
lol you didnt win
33 minutes and the lucky unlucky member of this discord will find out
old pasture
lol you didnt win
Thanks, I was worried there
pearl harbor
Please be meee!
naive whale
5 minutes!
naive whale
60 seconds
drifting frigate
Still an eternity in Yipes Stripes flavor time.
naive whale
but that gum is DELICIOUS for a second
drifting frigate
Condolences.
naive whale
DM me your address...ill get my signing pen ready 😹
naive whale
It has been signed...no spoilers what I wrote until it arrives
drifting frigate
"You deserve this for the evil in your heart." Obvs.
(Legit, it's better than people make it sound and can be very enjoyable if you happen to be in the right mindset)
pearl harbor
It has been signed...no spoilers what I wrote until it arrives
I will unveal the secret to all when it arrives.
naive whale
I will unveal the secret to all when it arrives.
@drifting frigate saw it and approves
kindred peak
Congratulations, @pearl harbor 🥳
meager remnant
Is the core being developed using current saturn emulators as reference or it’s being done in other ways?
thorn pagoda
probably a mixture , i'm pretty sure we've seen photos of his saturn which is like, insane looking, hundreds of wires coming out of it
but we also know he made the snes core without really looking at a snes initially
meager remnant
Ah, that’s cool! Is it too early to tell if it will turn out to be more accurate than the current state of emulation then?
thorn pagoda
based on his previous work i'm sure thats the goal
if its achievable only time will tell
how is saturn emulation anyway? i've never looked
meager remnant
To be honest I don’t know myself, just was looking at the current progress of the core and the question came to mind.
kindred peak
It's decent. The Kronos core in RetroArch has been improving. I last used it about a year ago, so probably even better now.
thorn pagoda
can u run it outside of retroarch?
kindred peak
I don't believe so.
kindred peak
Could just run Launchbox and then it's a non-issue.
thorn pagoda
its cool i've got a saturn 😄
kindred peak
All you'd have to do is figure out how to exit RetroArch 😅
sudden tusk
80s pc gaming sucked!
hollow quiver
All you'd have to do is figure out how to exit RetroArch 😅
escape, escape
kindred peak
Heh. My response was meant sarcastically. 😄
drifting crown
can u run it outside of retroarch?
You want mednafen for stand-alone
crimson girder
Also mednaffe is there if you want a decent front end.
Mednafen has been the most reliable emulator for Saturn in my experience.
visual grove
MARI0 dm me your address and I can mail you a trash bag to store your prize in
hardy lodge
Is the 8bitdo m30 a good choice for Sega saturn games and sega games in general for the mister?
pearl harbor
It's worked well for me so far while testing stuff on the core.
clear condor
It's great
hardy lodge
I've never had a sega system, but if I'm trying it on mister I want to try it in style^^ thanks for the replys.
drifting frigate
Is the 8bitdo m30 a good choice for Sega saturn games and sega games in general ...
I love it. Having the face buttons is key. It does a great job!
indigo lotus
Hi guys, has anybody been able to run the july 2 release of this core?
It crashes my Mister
I have run update all so everythings up to date
Core used to work but not this latest one
Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230702_10a569.rbf
indigo lotus
Thanks man
waxen vortex
renaming didn't work for me. The core would just crash on Launch so instead I have no Boot.Bin file and select one from the Core Menu which boots the BIOS I select fine.
naive whale
https://vxtwitter.com/Plissken___/status/1680260766924931073?s=19
@drifting frigate and you literally played it a few days ago in Japanese 😂 timing is impeccable
drifting frigate
Well...I wish I could say that it made a lot more sense....it certainly was more readable!
tidal raptor
It is a very bizarre game
drifting frigate
David Lynch and David Cronenberg had a baby and that baby was a game....
ancient surge
The funniest part about Baroque to me is how it was developed by some ex-Compile staff that worked on the early Puyo Puyo games.
Like damn how do you go from funny blobs to eldritch horror.
drifting frigate
Technically, Baroque has some funny blobs.....
tiny flare
bizarrely enough there was a remake on Wii which I tried a long time ago, something was definitely lost in the "upgraded" visuals it could be argued
not that I even realized it was a remake at all until later
drifting frigate
It's quite interesting for sure...I'll probably jump back in on it when saves work. Or maybe on PSX.
ancient surge
bizarrely enough there was a remake on Wii which I tried a long time ago, someth...
The pre-rendered and stilted look of the original worked because it complemented the eldritch vibes Baroque was going for. It made everything feel unnatural in a positive sense.
The remake tried to clean all that up, but as a result it made everything more generic.
pearl harbor
So is the Saturn version better? Curious what the differences are.
drifting frigate
A cursory check (and take this with a grain of salt because I've only played this on the current core), the PS version seems more polished in general and more fluid.
No idea how that would hold up on a complete core or on a disk emu on real hardware, but in a quick check, that's how it panned out for me.
And of course, it's also Dither Me Timbers on Saturn.
tidal raptor
The funniest part about Baroque to me is how it was developed by some ex-Compile...
if you look at the original versions of Madou Monogatari it's not too surprising
first games are pretty dark and graphic
burnt matrix
bizarrely enough there was a remake on Wii which I tried a long time ago, someth...
If it ain’t baroque then don’t fix it, that’s what I always say
frail token
If it ain’t baroque then don’t fix it, that’s what I always say
And that was the day Robby was banned
drifting frigate
Pachelbel your bags.
burnt matrix
I learned a new one, thank you @drifting frigate
burnt matrix
And that was the day Robby was banned
I feel like I’m here on borrowed time
frail token
I feel like I’m here on borrowed time
Expecially after your recent outbursts
Shameful, just shameful
pearl harbor
I did find a web page that goes over some of the differences between the Saturn and PS1 versions of Baroque.
"The most striking change in the Playstation version is the total loss of the film noir aesthetic the original game was conceived around. Instead of stark contrast, heavy use of shadows, and bold lighting, the PS1 port settles for murky, uniform lighting with little contrast. The heavy use of red and black in the original has been replaced by a sickly green that permeates everything, which spoils the original’s gorgeous atmospheric lighting. The characters and Grotesques have also received noticeable downgrades, with sprites being stretched considerably. Even worse, several animations are flat out missing, such as the Hungones' swaying as it moves across the ceiling. Gone too are a huge number of sound effects and ambient noise that added variety and flavor to the soundscape of the Nerve Tower. The music transitions have been cut entirely, so tracks now just abruptly halt at the end of a floor. Widescreen support has also been dropped."
Sounds like the PS1 version runs better, but lacks some lighting, animation, and audio effects.
winter phoenix
So is the Saturn version better? Curious what the differences are.
The differences are detailed on the website from which the new patch's translations come from: https://nervetower.neocities.org/lore5_versions
Look at this. Brutal. Massive L for the PlayStation tbh
ancient surge
Always interesting to compare these SEGA Saturn and Playstation versions of different games, because the different approaches to textures and polygons often forces developers to make significant changes.
ancient surge
if you look at the original versions of Madou Monogatari it's not too surprising
That only applied to the PC-98 version of Madou Monogatari 1-2-3. All the other releases are pretty tame.
ancient surge
Wish the PC-98 core wasn't stuck in development hell.
polar geode
Apparently he wants to work on FM Towns, learn from that, then take that back to the PC98 core
FM Towns doesnt boot games yet
burnt matrix
lol
polar geode
tbh Im hoping alan's AI translation efforts for Japanese PC documentation are successful so western devs can have easier opportunities to improve the situation
magic fable
How about PC-95
magic fable
Yes a Famiclone. I wish I could get the rom from it
polar geode
16 in 1?
magic fable
It has a bunch of educational apps on it. Typing, Music creation, Math
It is available online, but the one I have has dual languages
polar geode
I found one marked for the Arabic version
magic fable
Oh yeah nvm found it too
polar geode
👍
ivory spoke
I am unable to get video output from the latest Saturn test core (Saturn_20230702.rbf). Is there a specific MiSTer Main that must be used?
still maple
I am unable to get video output from the latest Saturn test core (Saturn_2023070...
Are you on CRT only? You'll need an LCD to set/ reset settings for the update. That's the case this time.
ivory spoke
I am using HDMI output currently. I'm unable to see MiSTer settings screen as well
still maple
Yes total blackout. Hmm.
ivory spoke
The display is getting signal as well, when I boot I just have to reset. The IO board is showing solid red/green lights
still maple
I gave up at that point. Reply me when you fix it please.
ivory spoke
Yes, the previous core works (Saturn_20230510.rbf) just fine so not sure... I'm using single SDRAM for what it is worth. Tried all of the basics like resetting settings, different BIOS, etc. Hopefully next build works for me!
ivory spoke
Works now! LMAO I assume this is what batty had meant earlier.
winter phoenix
My body is ready for PC-99
Gotta stop there, though. That naming scheme isn’t Y2K compliant
worthy helm
Hello, I'm looking for the latest stable Saturn core
for the unstable core i need the latest unstable mister build which will mess up my mister installation
ancient surge
Hello, I'm looking for the latest stable Saturn core
#unstable-nightlies message
mortal mist
There is no stable saturn core
worthy helm
oh
there used to be though at the very beginning of the development
oh well ill wait a few years then
mortal mist
It's pre alpha core , or beta gamma zeta who knows 🙂
mortal mist
You don't need unstable mister main for the latest saturn core
polar geode
It's pre alpha core , or beta gamma zeta who knows 🙂
Mega Turbo Super Champion Dash Alpha Gaiden New Generation Second Impact Third Strike Arcade Release Candidate
worthy helm
@kuba just tried running the latest unstable on my stable mister build, i only get black screen
no menu
mortal mist
Did you rename boot.rom to bios.bin?
worthy helm
fingers croseed
many thanks @mortal mist it works, I've just tried virtua fighter and it works
and without graphical glithces! but no sound or very bad sound
a year ago the character select screen was full of glitches , srg320 is doing gods work
mortal mist
Yes progress is very good
drifting frigate
Look at this. Brutal. Massive L for the PlayStation tbh
Oh wow. Yeah, the core isn't doing it justice yet, then. That's much better.
frozen shard
Which set of files do you have? I'm a little perplexed trying to arrive at a CHD file. I hate when I come across a share (or official-patch instructions) that isn't a BIN+CUE 😮💨
I'm just doing some housekeeping so I'll be ready for the stable core release down the line
twilit forum
frozen shard
Well, that makes sense. I also have an unpatched set of JPN BIN+CUEs. The trick is in coming out the other end of the tunnel with BIN+CUE, apparently.
I'll mess around with it a little bit and see what I can come up with
frozen shard
Yo, all I had to do was have PowerISO convert the ISO file from CDR_m_nce to BIN+CUE. Looking great, hasn't crashed yet after several intro-FMV and menu loops.
tiny flare
images you can just hear immediately
lusty rapids
do do do do-do-do
do do do doo doo doo
halcyon mica
do do do do-do-do
do do do doo doo doo
🙂
naive whale
Yo, all I had to do was have PowerISO convert the ISO file from CDR_m_nce to BIN...
I can hear the soundtrack
10/10 intro track
still maple
Renamed boot to bios.bin. Have both. Still just a black screen. What am i missing for build 7-2
mortal mist
Renamed boot to bios.bin. Have both. Still just a black screen. What am i missin...
you can't have a boot.rom file
this causes the system to crash
still maple
Wowzers
mortal mist
you must have the bin file (bios) to load it manually afterwards
still maple
yippee it worked!
drowsy skiff
Got this core working last night after reading around in here for a bit. My system doesn't seem to notice a difference (besides having to load .bin manually) between having the bios named boot.rom or boot.bin, games behave the same either way (hangups/music drops in same spots). It's clearly gonna get there but it's not making me forget about my Satiator just yet
Dracula X Nocturne hack - Hangup after character select
Radiant Silvergun - Black screen for me but heard this was supposed to work
Dragonball Shinbutoden - Sort of hangup after character select, game keeps playing but won't move to the next screen. Music drops too.
Godzilla - Music drops
Batman Forever - I think this actually works perfectly
iso's came from my Satiator loadout which are all good redumps and work on that device
*bin/cues
mortal mist
yes, it's not perfect, after all it's pre-alpha 🙂
drowsy skiff
Yeah of course. I was kinda shocked to see Batman working so well
mortal mist
once the beta comes out for sure every test and bug reporting will be important, at the moment we are testing for our own pleasure 🙂
stiff patrol
And being glad SRG320 is still well in Occupied Ukraine
drowsy skiff
Didn't know that one, another Krikkz situation. Glad he's well
ancient surge
Once the core is fleshed out enough, I hope we get the typical QOL options like faster loading.
SEGA Saturn is actually generous with loading, but I always like the option to speed it up regardless.
winter phoenix
A lot of games rely on there being load times, though. They're programmed to expect it, so if you "speed them up" you may break some games. Possibly most games.
ancient surge
The PS1, TurboGrafx-16 CD, and Neo Geo CD cores have options to speed up the loading. I just would like the SEGA Saturn core to an option like that too.
Though I can imagine with the SEGA Saturn it might be more tricky to implement, since the SEGA Saturn has hardware specifically for speeding up disc loading.
wise brook
the sh1?
kindred peak
Yeah, I'm curious too. What hardware is being referred to here for speeding up disc loading?
vestal basin
How to fix offset?
mortal mist
How to fix offset?
pre-alpha core my friend... pre-alpha .... 😉
old pasture
Didn't know that one, another Krikkz situation. Glad he's well
I got an everdrive delivered a few days ago, all good
Doesn't look like I'll have to pay customs either
mortal mist
" The good news is that KRIKzz has safely and successfully made it out of Ukraine. KRIKzz has posted on twitter that he is safe with family in Spain."
old pasture
Nice, everdrive came from Ukraine, so operations are still there
drowsy skiff
That was really briefly at the beginning, he's back in ukraine now and they still ship everything from there
mortal mist
ok I only know this information , I do not follow his activities
winter phoenix
OK which one of you posted this on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/SegaSaturn/comments/151slzg/probably_the_best_game_of_all_time_right/
kindred peak
Not Virtual Hydlide = Not one of us.
kindred peak
Bug!, Virtual Hydlide, and Bulk Slash
🎵One of these things just doesn't belong here...🎵
pearl harbor
Bug!, Virtual Hydlide, and Bulk Slash
I think you meant Bug!, Bug Too!, and Virtual Hydlide
warped cliff
pre-alpha core my friend... pre-alpha .... 😉
Thanks for the accurate assessment 👍
frail token
Bug 2: Electric Bugaloo
sharp dove
hollow quiver
about to play the new saturn port of cosmic smash
burnt matrix
about to play the new saturn port of cosmic smash
Yeah? How is it?
hollow quiver
was jk. But on the last few weeks much more stuff is working. I think a release or two from now the core will be really good
ancient surge
A lot of the games I've tested mainly suffer from glitched sound, so if that is solved that would automatically improve quite a number of games.
mortal mist
A lot of the games I've tested mainly suffer from glitched sound, so if that is ...
Yeah, I look forward to the full Sega Rally experience 🙂
ancient surge
I just want to play The Legend of Oasis without the speakers screeching at me with audio vomit.
mortal mist
Haha
dusty otter
Doesn't look like I'll have to pay customs either
Careful, you've potentially fallen for the old "I didn't get charged" trick. They can bill you weeks after receiving it. I hope you are right but I've been stung many times like that.
old pasture
Careful, you've potentially fallen for the old "I didn't get charged" trick. The...
I usually receive the bill before they handover the item, at least in the case of Royal Mail
Usually they hold the item, and I have to pay for it and collect it from their depot
dusty otter
Oh if it's RM you are good most likely. DHL and UPS have a habit of billing you weeks later.
burnt matrix
was jk. But on the last few weeks much more stuff is working. I think a release ...
lol I totally believed you
polar geode
I just want to play The Legend of Oasis without the speakers screeching at me wi...
Turn off the sound in the debug menu 😉
kindred peak
lol I totally believed you
You deserved to be fooled.
burnt matrix
Very true lol
polar geode
Robby's troll game is about level 6, out of 10 currently.
I of course am an 11.
kindred peak
Robby merely adopted the trolling. You were born into it. Is that what you're saying?
sudden tusk
Lol I’m the ultimate troll!
pearl harbor
Begun, the troll wars have.
tawny forge
Robby's troll game is about level 6, out of 10 currently.
I of course am an 11.
Then @twin canyon is lv 12 then
You’re all beneath him
drowsy hull
nah, we walk on top of the bridge
tawny forge
You wish
Snake is the father of all trolls
@burnt matrix could be the mom, but he’s too green
polar geode
Then <@153526759818657792> is lv 12 then
Please.
sudden tusk
Indeed basket is a legendary troll , but I am superior in every way
polar geode
Your golden cow will be struck down by my power.. if I feel like it.
kindred peak
batty is a vengeful, yet lazy god.
polar geode
Mostly the latter.
drifting frigate
You're mostly god?
polar geode
Mostly lazy.
drifting frigate
"Wiseguy huh? If I wasn't so lazy I'd punch you in the stomach."
"But you ARE lazy, right?"
"Ah don't get me STARTED!"
polar geode
drifting frigate
Fargin' ice holes.
polar geode
Deported to Sweden
Claims he's not from there
frozen shard
The PS1, TurboGrafx-16 CD, and Neo Geo CD cores have options to speed up the loa...
It's kinda fun riding the speed setting on the NeoGeo-CD. I find for most games 4x works for about the first 85% of the progress bar, and then I have to knock it back to 1x to finish it out. Played through Top Hunter all the way on my first playthrough and really enjoyed the tunes on headphones 👌
wanton elk
It's kinda fun riding the speed setting on the NeoGeo-CD. I find for most games...
Are you using the latest update with the unibios? I thought that fixed most of the loading issues.
frozen shard
Are you using the latest update with the unibios? I thought that fixed most of t...
I'll try Friday evening. You talking about an update to the core or the unibios?
sudden tusk
I PREDICT A NEW BUILD WILL DROP BY THE END OF THIS WEEK !
“In shadows cast upon gaming's mystic sphere,
A Sega Saturn core descends to appear,
This week, a marvel from past worlds arise,
Nostalgia's joy, a gamer's heart shall cheer.”
-Nostradamus-
twin canyon
Indeed basket is a legendary troll , but I am superior in every way
Sit down
twin canyon
Bitches get stitches
sudden tusk
Y’all lucky I’m in a peaceful mood
“In shadows cast upon gaming's mystic sphere,
A Sega Saturn core descends to appear,
This week, a marvel from past worlds arise,
Nostalgia's joy, a gamer's heart shall cheer”
polar geode
Y’all lucky I’m in a peaceful mood
naive whale
https://tenor.com/view/fortune-the-prophecies-nostradamus-predictions-gif-115931...
I have another Saturn testing video for tomorrow so to not have to wait 3 weeks due to MiSTer news next week. Lets see if that makes a wild core appear
sudden tusk
I have another Saturn testing video for tomorrow so to not have to wait 3 weeks ...
It usually does
ancient surge
I figure we won't get another update until next month at least. Maybe longer, it depends.
sudden tusk
@naive whale I have a video idea! How about .. best pack-in games of all time ..
sudden tusk
naive whale
<@484201598218928128> I have a video idea! How about .. best pack-in games of al...
Haha find me a list
And maybe I’ll do it
sudden tusk
Ok I’ll try
sudden tusk
Haha find me a list
Not a huge list though it is more than I thought ..
But you could divide it into generations , hell I didn’t even know the neo geo aes came with games
sudden tusk
I’ll consider it
It was just a thought .. if this is as far as it goes I’m happy with the results lol
scarlet goblet
That list isn't complete,for instance they had lots of 3ds special editions that came with games.
naive whale
That list isn't complete,for instance they had lots of 3ds special editions that...
Well find me a better list. Show @sudden tusk up!
sudden tusk
Well find me a better list. Show <@934507875978584125> up!
Fuck the 3ds we don’t talk about that shit
drifting crown
Best launch day games? Though that will be won by F-Zero.
tiny flare
Wii Sports
sudden tusk
Wii sports is a hell of a good pack-in game
frail token
Super Mario World clearly
drifting crown
Super monkey ball
sudden tusk
SMB/Duckhunt is the greatest pack in of all time .. for reasons that are literally too numerous to list here with my limited time
kindred peak
Soul Calibur
visual grove
Definitely SMB/Duckhunt
kindred peak
https://tenor.com/view/sophitia-soul-calibur-soul-edge-gif-16613652
That's Soul Calibur 2, pleb.
sudden tusk
That's Soul Calibur 2, pleb.
I know .. it’s my favorite..
viral pebble
Combat for the Atari 2600 is the clear winner
sudden tusk
Combat for the Atari 2600 is the clear winner
This is a serious conversation sir !
Although combat does have historical significance
visual grove
Combat is actually pretty great for 2600, forgot it was the pack in
kindred peak
Loooota childhood fights over rounds of Combat.
sudden tusk
I agree combat is a great pack-in and has historical value
viral pebble
If we're talking pack-ins at launch and not launch titles per say, gotta go with Wii Sports
kindred peak
ROBBY
sudden tusk
Couldn’t you also play as a plane in combat ?
viral pebble
Couldn’t you also play as a plane in combat ?
Yeah. 2 games in 1!
sudden tusk
If we're talking pack-ins at launch and not launch titles per say, gotta go with...
Wii sports is a top contender
viral pebble
Going by sales it's either Wii Sports or Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt
sudden tusk
Guess it’s safe to say Nintendo has had the best pack-in games
kindred peak
Ocarina of Time ♥️. I like that they made Zelda orange.
viral pebble
Can't wait until the N64 core is done so we can play another abomination...Superman 64
kindred peak
Guess it’s safe to say Nintendo has had the best pack-in games
I mean... They're really the only ones that had consistent pack-ins.
viral pebble
Crash N Burn on the 3DO is a pretty funny pack-in lol
kindred peak
sudden tusk
I guess the game was impressive for the time
viral pebble
It predicted the 3DO's future with its title
visual grove
3DO doesn’t count we were talking about game systems
tiny flare
Tetris was a pretty good one
sudden tusk
Nintendo strikes again
viral pebble
I guess Interactive Multiplayers don't count as game systems?
Should Entertainment Systems count?
visual grove
3DO is a gaming adjacent meme system
viral pebble
3DO is a gaming adjacent meme system
I can't disagree lol
visual grove
Yeah Nintendo crushes it
viral pebble
Don't forget the great Kinect Adventures
visual grove
I own a Wii U but I forget was that when they quit including a game?
sudden tusk
Well looks like we’ll have to open a new category of worse pack-in game
visual grove
Or switch?
kindred peak
Everyone does bundles eventually. But you pay extra.
viral pebble
It's crazy to me how 1-2 Switch wasn't a pack-in game
tiny flare
1-2 Switch is the worst game that should have been a pack in
viral pebble
It's def not worth retail price
sudden tusk
I forgot what the pack-in was called for the Wii U
tiny flare
Nintendoland
sudden tusk
Wasn’t bad
tiny flare
that was actually pretty fun
kindred peak
Just so we're clear: the original question posed was best launch games. Not necessarily pack-in.
tiny flare
in that case Nintendo can cheat again with Breath of the Wild
sudden tusk
Just so we're clear: the original question posed was best launch games. Not nece...
Uhhhh no .. the original discussion has been best pack-in game
visual grove
Haha aww suck it WiiU
sudden tusk
Game that comes in the same box as the machine
kindred peak
Then Altered Beast on the Genesis is the clear winner.
sudden tusk
#1046941029296779344 message
kindred peak
Ahem... #1046941029296779344 message
visual grove
I scrimped and saved for a Saturn buying it entirely due to its pack-in VF
Since I was a big VF nerd in the arcade
kindred peak
I scrimped and saved for a Saturn buying it entirely due to its pack-in VF
Ah, a fellow person of taste/horrible choice maker.
sudden tusk
VF did carry the Saturn in Japan
visual grove
I got my moneys worth
sudden tusk
The Saturn had some cool pack-ins later on in its brief life
visual grove
My buddies and I spent countless hours playing VF / VF2
tiny flare
apparently the Saturn I inherited just came bundled with a demo disc, that is almost certainly lost forever now
raw deal
kindred peak
That first Christmas with a Saturn was the big payoff. Last one too.
tiny flare
visual grove
Sadly I don’t have my original Saturn, it got lost in one of my moves as an adult. Had to rebuy it. Ah well
sudden tusk
Pal?
tiny flare
sadly
naive whale
start the new core lookout in 2 minutes...its Saturn testing day!
burnt matrix
start the new core lookout in 2 minutes...its Saturn testing day!
I’m excited for your STD!
burnt matrix
lmao
viral pebble
What's you view on the sate of the core? Is it safe to call it alpha or is it still pre-alpha?
naive whale
I'd personally still say pre-alpha
a lot of games don't run, diff results on diff hardware, diff results on SAME hardware...so many variables it really feels pre-alpha. Id think of alpha as "90%+ games boot and can be tested)
viral pebble
Yeah that's fair
naive whale
I still say in every video "this is for testing. It doesn't save. Dont expect to finish games. Just test for fun"
burnt matrix
In my experience alpha generally means all features are in and testable but there will be loads of issues and non-final UX/art
I’d say “pre-alpha” is correct as not everything is implemented
polar geode
I played through Rockman 8 on the core last night and beat the game on stream. It worked fine except for the sequencer music not looping again sometimes and leaving random stages witout music until the music reloaded.
naive whale
I played through Rockman 8 on the core last night and beat the game on stream. I...
The Megaman games all seem bearable. I’ve beaten them all
Same with Saturn Bomberman and Bubble Symphony. I’ve seen the credits on those too
burnt matrix
I played through Rockman 8 on the core last night and beat the game on stream. I...
You stream games?
kindred peak
Robby: New trolling vector detected
kindred peak
In fairness, we know where he works... 🤪
lusty rapids
and here I am, just streaming consciousness
polar geode
@burnt matrix twitch link in my discord profile
burnt matrix
Oh cool! I’ll need to check it out next time you stream!
kindred peak
I sent it to you too, @burnt matrix ♥️
polar geode
Its at completely random times, so dont expect anything scheduled lol
west quail
I've downloaded the latest saturn single test core and none of the games run anymore. Is there a new way to run them?
west quail
What does the bios need to be named?
polar geode
bios.bin
Is what mine is now
Then once the core loads load your bios via the osd menu
west quail
I'll give that a go, thanks.
frail token
I didn’t know 😢
I didn't either
kindred peak
Sounds like a future @polar geode stream watch party is in order. No pressure, bud 😅
pearl harbor
Crash N Burn on the 3DO is a pretty funny pack-in lol
Ohhh, I played the heck out of Crash N Burn back in the day. ....mostly because it was the only game on the console. 👀
viral pebble
To be fair, it was pretty impressive for a 1993 home console release
pearl harbor
It was pretty impressive at the time. The biggest problem was that it really was the only game on the console. It took awhile for another game to release on the 3DO.
I spent way too much time playing the sampler CD as a result. That Batman The Animated Series Mr. Freeze episode was a nice bonus!
And Two Stupid Dogs.
burnt matrix
Am I going to have set a schedule
At least give me heads-up the next time you’re streaming so I can join
polar geode
If you subscribe and hit follow it sends you an email
random shard
https://youtu.be/togUAnvw4X8
Tested using the july 2nd build ?
brazen grove
I still say in every video "this is for testing. It doesn't save. Dont expect to...
Really appreciate all your videos, if you are one and the same, video game esoterica! I think I now watch them all, especially as a big fan of arcade racing games 👍
naive whale
Really appreciate all your videos, if you are one and the same, video game esote...
That’s me! And thanks 🙂
brazen grove
I cannot wait to try out the new Saturn core 🤓
polar geode
Is there a way to like, mute a specific user on a server without blocking them? 🤔
brazen grove
Rude
viral pebble
Don't mind batty. Just a goofy and fun loving soul
polar geode
I cant help it, just too much salt cured pork you know
viral pebble
Big fan of your posts. Top tier stuff. Keep up the good work!
polar geode
brazen grove
That’s me! And thanks 🙂
Which build of the Saturn core were you using in today's video? Just watched it 🙏
naive whale
Is there a way to like, mute a specific user on a server without blocking them? ...
Most recent from unstable
polar geode
Most recent from unstable
drifting crown
That’s me! And thanks 🙂
Still can’t say “Manx” correctly. It was like nails down a blackboard to bikers from the northwest of England. Please tell me you were doing it on purpose.
naive whale
Still can’t say “Manx” correctly. It was like nails down a blackboard to bikers ...
Who knows why I do anything 😉
I have been known to leave things in videos just to troll quietly
kindred peak
@naive whale - this is the only explanation you need to offer.
naive whale
I mean I leave every console dusty just because one person emailed and threatened me so 🤣 you never know what I’m doing and whether or not I meant it
brazen grove
Dusty Console is my porn name
dusty otter
Ok, not sure how you can pronounce Manx any differently from it's supposed to be pronounced. Need to watch the video now so I too can be outraged.
brazen grove
This podcast has someone from teh Isle Of Manx saying it several times if you want to compare: [Northern News] A Colony of Wallabies (with guest correspondent Pierre Novellie) 🅴 #northernNews
https://podcastaddict.com/northern-news/episode/160927789 via @PodcastAddict
dusty otter
Ok, I'm suitably appalled!
brazen grove
Which video is this in?
dusty otter
Lol I hope that's on purpose.
naive whale
man I just finished a hour hour arcade mod project and damn it was the most complex one yet
wise brook
stv titan?
naive whale
No. I am keeping it quiet till I show the video but its a stupid rare Taito board. Like I know of three that exist
wise brook
well I am looking forward to it.
brazen grove
Man-X is clearly @naive whale 's porn name
kindred peak
wise brook
goddamn I can't wait to live in a world where everything up to Naomi is running in a common fpga framework
naive whale
Man-X is clearly <@484201598218928128> 's porn name
Manks for the good times
pearl harbor
Man-X is clearly <@484201598218928128> 's porn name
I will wash this information from my mind!
edgy hollow
Anyone have the ascii controller with the turbo switches dual pad x? Any good?
polar geode
Manks for the good times
naive whale
A weird hidden gem if there ever was one
cursive turtle
mortal mist
soft valley
Who would have thought that a console with an official design stamped with “This is Cool” is actually, like, really cool
On top of that, the smoke gray shell may actually be the coolest design
Back when companies were honest, am I right?
naive whale
On top of that, the smoke gray shell may actually be the coolest design
Nah. White Japanese is the best!
polar geode
My favorite Saturn is the core thats being worked on
soft valley
Nah. White Japanese is the best!
Fair I have a white model 2, they rule
Matches the bomberman multi tap
naive whale
Matches the bomberman multi tap
A player of tastes I see. Saturns best game is Bomberman IMO
Pure 32 bit 2D perfection
Well second to Virtual Hydlide obv
soft valley
Yeah I’ve had the opportunity to do some 7-player matches with friends, was awesome
pearl harbor
One could say that the Saturn is both hip and cool.
minor cipher
Can't wait until the N64 core is done so we can play another abomination...Super...
why wait when you can play PSX prototype on MiSTer today!!!
viral pebble
why wait when you can play PSX prototype on MiSTer today!!!
Not enough flying through rings on that PSX version friend lol
minor cipher
in fairness flying thru rings is the best part of that game
the indoor sections are horrific
also those "SAVE THIS PERSON" oops you didn't save this person in 5s, back to rings for you buddy
viral pebble
Haha yes. My friend had Superman 64 and I thought it was a good game when I used to go over to his house. Little did I know
minor cipher
anyway sorry not saturn related xD
superman 64 is a font of joy... just not for the right reasons 😄
viral pebble
I enjoyed flying upside down and through the water. I think my friend beat the rings challengs so I could free roam. Is actually fun to fly once you get past that intro lol
minor cipher
N64 games are pretty consistently interesting because the usage of analog sticks was really not uniform at all across devs
"interesting" can be real unpleasant too haha
there's a JP only golf game where you have to push the stick down and then push it forward real fast to swing your club. not an uhhh successful experiment lol
i did some testing on the core recently, Gex plays pretty well
Gex Works Good, time to pack it up
limber patio
Yo, all I had to do was have PowerISO convert the ISO file from CDR_m_nce to BIN...
did u overwrite the cue it came with when converting to bin/cue
frozen shard
Yep. CUEs are pretty easy to spot issues with, at least in terms of filenames they reference
limber patio
and do u have 3 boot.rom files in your game folder?
frozen shard
and do u have 3 boot.rom files in your game folder?
One UniBIOS I got recently
limber patio
and u rename to "Boot.rom" rigt
frozen shard
Yeah
limber patio
got it to work
policenauts seems to run perfectly except the opening credit, the dev names are kinda funky
elfin apex
Os that a Netlink being plugged in? Seems too tall for anything else.
I can't claim fond contemporary memories of Netlink, but I did buy a couple of them cheap on eBay ca. 1999, gave one to a Saturn-owning friend, and taught him the swap trick to boot CD-R so that we could play a few direct-dialed games of Virtual On.
quaint dove
It’s a damned shame Virtual On died right as twin analog sticks became the standard.
elfin apex
(it turned out that the swap trick was harder on his Saturn than mine; it took a bit of finesse to flick the CD-R as you put it in, or else it would time out or something)
naive whale
I just came in to say Virtual Hydlide. Happy Friday everyone
burnt matrix
If we’re lucky, maybe that game’s name will get banned too
polar geode
I found what appears to be a mostly complete English translation patch for Saturn SOTN/Dracula X NITM. Basic testing shows it works as well as the stock game in the pre alpha core.
polar geode
That is the one yes
scarlet goblet
It's rare to just find a game online that people don't know of, and when you find such a thing it's a good idea to look for the original source so you aren't using one several versions old.
polar geode
?
scarlet goblet
Nm, it is late here. I had read tbat as "I found this in some random place online."
In which case you need to be sure you have the latest onebut you didn't actually say you found it in a random place.
naive whale
Happy Hydlide Sunday
jagged isle
saturn!!
mortal mist
psx!!
jagged isle
haters.....
sudden tusk
Ooo burn!
sudden tusk
Psx does have a superior library .. 😦
burnt matrix
The Saturn is really awesome though. At least for someone who didn’t enjoy it at the time.
drowsy hull
you are part of the reason why they failed
wise brook
Saturn is a tresure trove of great games.
especially for those of us who are日本語上手
burnt matrix
Nah I didn’t work for SEGA of America in the 90s.
drowsy hull
but did you buy 4 saturns?
warped cliff
I'm really enjoying the games that are mostly playable already
burnt matrix
but did you buy 4 saturns?
no : (
drowsy hull
then you have the cd dust of a thousand virtual hydlides on your hands
drifting frigate
pearl harbor
All of a sudden it was for sale
I remember my friend had his Saturn on preorder, and when Sega suddenly announced that the Saturn was available now, we were suddenly playing Virtua Fighter later that day in his basement. Obviously a stupid move on Sega's part, but I have to admit that was a fun memory.
river wing
I remember my friend had his Saturn on preorder, and when Sega suddenly announce...
How comes so many americans have actual playing/resting/working rooms on their basements? Don't you have radon gas over there? Here in Spain, nobody would do that.
tiny flare
Meanwhile in Australia we don’t even have basements in our homes at all
drifting gulch
Well you only need to have some ventilation.. But preferably you should have a some kind of radon extraction device, especially in the winter months...
newer houses have a airtight and insulated bottom concrete base
so no need
keen bison
Where are the Mods?!!!!!
tiny flare
They’re too busy spruiking the virtues of Quest-based games on systems with a bit width of 2^6
subtle tusk
How comes so many americans have actual playing/resting/working rooms on their b...
"Radon vents" are pretty common in America, just don't ask how a pipe going from beneath the basement floor to above the roof is supposed to mitigate a gas that's heavier than air.
hardy lodge
"Radon vents" are pretty common in America, just don't ask how a pipe going from...
If there is a ventilator in there you could suck it off the floor.
burnt matrix
How comes so many americans have actual playing/resting/working rooms on their b...
Thanks for posting this, found out I’m in the lowest level for Radon.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2018-12/documents/radon-zones-map.pdf
subtle tusk
If there is a ventilator in there you could suck it off the floor.
Yeah when I was doing plumbing there were some cities that required active ventilation but the state plumbing code was just a pipe that attached to corrugated drain pipes under the concrete.
Also that was 20 years ago so maybe it's totally different now
sudden tusk
How comes so many americans have actual playing/resting/working rooms on their b...
Personally I tested my basement for radon and the yeah no radon at least in my basement or at least it’s low enough where it doesn’t matter
pearl harbor
How comes so many americans have actual playing/resting/working rooms on their b...
I run on radon gas.
sudden pumice
TIL: there is a thing called radon gas that is apparently the second leading cause of lung cancer in the US…
Had no idea
river wing
TIL: there is a thing called radon gas that is apparently the second leading cau...
If you live in a granite rich zone, I may have save your life in the future 😄
Here in Spain, it's not recommended to have it over 200 bq/m3
But maybe in USA there's a different reference safe value
Here at home I have 85-100 bq/m3
hardy lodge
TIL: there is a thing called radon gas that is apparently the second leading cau...
I quit smoking a few years ago so I guess it should cancel each other out, right?
naive whale
Personally I tested my basement for radon and the yeah no radon at least in my b...
The way you act I assumed you just inhale radon
😂
sudden tusk
The way you act I assumed you just inhale radon
No , I just smoke it
burnt matrix
Radon Bungeling Bay was an interesting shooter
kindred peak
tiny flare
This is quite the downgrade from the original Danger 5 clip…
kindred peak
Agreed, but gotta mix it up.
tidal raptor
Danger 5 was such a fun watch. Glad it got a blu-ray release
pearl harbor
I shall make my prediction on when the next build will arrive. ||Next month on August 17th!||
hardy lodge
How far is the core away from being finished? Just approximately.
pearl harbor
It's anyone's guess honestly. The progress has been slow, but also very noticeable with recent builds. I'd guess we're still a year out at least.
In my experience, the biggest issues that need to be addressed still are stuff like audio, the ability to save, and of course certain games just not loading still. It really depends on the game of course.
hardy lodge
I've been following the video game esoterica vids and the pace of the updates seems good, but still some way to go.
I've never been into Sega, but when that core is done I'll have myself some panzer dragoon. 🙂
kindred peak
Best way to support continued dev is Patreon 🙂
pearl harbor
It's also been very organic, with some people being able to load games and others not having the same results. Saturn is a mysterious beast!
hardy lodge
It's also been very organic, with some people being able to load games and other...
Yeah I heard it has all kinds of whacky architecture.
pearl harbor
One thing that we can agree on though, is that it will be glorious once it's ready! 🤘
hardy lodge
I'll get an m30 for that core. (And all the other sega cores^^)
pearl harbor
The m30 is great. I have two of them.
hardy lodge
I think I have more controllers for the mister than any other console. Than again, it plays more games than any other.
pearl harbor
Same.
I also ordered one of those Neo Geo CD controllers that 8bitdo is releasing next month.
hardy lodge
Looks good. I can't decide wether or not to get the pc engine one. It's not like I'm playing much other than rondo of blood on it and the nes controller is somewhat close. But it'd still be nice.
pearl harbor
I use the Turbrografx-16 usb controller that came with my Turbografx-16 Mini console. Works great on MiSTer.
hardy lodge
I'm trying to stay wireless
pearl harbor
Understandable. Most of mine are wireless as well. I just already had one of those, so I figured I may as well use it. I also play a lot of PC Engine stuff.
@naive whale knows of my love for shmups. 😅
I probably single handedly keep his shmup content alive!
magic fable
It's also been very organic, with some people being able to load games and other...
Yeah, I have had hard times loading games that others can load normally, it all depends
hardy lodge
As far as I understood the pc engine has the same button layout as nes right? The 2 extra buttons are just turbo.
pearl harbor
Pretty much. North American controlers had switches on them for turbo instead. There were controllers released with extra buttons though for stuff like Street Fighter 2.
kindred peak
When Turbo was added to them, the Japanese controllers had turbo switches as well. The whole 4 button thing is 8Bitdos weird touch. 😄
hardy lodge
I guess they have to keep them somewhat different to avoid copyright drama or something
kindred peak
Probably cheaper to manufacture, is my guess. The bonus is that there's a 4 button mode you can run the PCE controllers in.
hardy lodge
Sadly there's only a 2.4ghz version and no bluetooth. But I guess I still have some unoccupied usb ports for these kinds of shenanigans.
naive whale
I probably single handedly keep his shmup content alive!
hahaha...glad someone watches shmups
cursed genre for me
kindred peak
Sadly there's only a 2.4ghz version and no bluetooth. But I guess I still have s...
They're great controllers. Slightly smaller than originals, but they "feel" the same when playing. Except the whole turbo button instead of switches. Had to fight back 30 years of muscle memory on that one.
hardy lodge
Can you use one 2.4ghz dongle for multiple controllers?
kindred peak
Nope. It's 1 to 1. Which I know sounds blech, but it can make life easier.
still maple
or get an extron RGB interface with H-shift
Do you recommend any model? Thanks.
untold lintel
I have a 192
still maple
Wow it's that cheap
untold lintel
It only does H shift, theres other models that can do H and V but im not well versed enough to tell you specific models
can also function as a sync combiner
still maple
Well CRT emu driver just sits too far to one side. mister is centered much more so
untold lintel
I used it to combine RGBHV into RGBS to hook my PC up to a PVM
pearl harbor
cursed genre for me
That is legit heart breaking.
still maple
So ill use it for that and saturn. Crt emu driver offers composite sync, handy.
hardy lodge
Pretty much. North American controlers had switches on them for turbo instead. ...
Is black or white more og? 😄
Really thinking of grabbing one
hardy lodge
I guess it was also white in europe? But it's really hard to choose.
pearl harbor
You really can't go wrong.
hardy lodge
Yeah the only controller with clear regional superiority is the SNES.
pearl harbor
I'd argue that Saturn also had regional superiority in Japan.
Not just in color, but also design.
hardy lodge
Deng, that ones pretty
pearl harbor
I love that the m30 also comes in the Japanese white variant now. Got one of those for myself recently.
wooden dew
I don't know if I got one with bad build quality or not, but something feels off about the dpad on my m30.
Like if I press down with the amount of force I would on a SNES controller I hear and feel a little click coming from under the dpad that does not sound right.
tiny flare
I don’t think either of mine do that
(Yes I was silly enough to buy a second one in the new colour)
wooden dew
But I also never owned a Saturn controller. Was it substantially different from the genesis d-pad?
It might be fine, I think I just struggle using any dpad that presses down in the middle from a lifetime of SNES and Gameboys.
tiny flare
The m30 pad feels very close to my Saturn pads, I never owned a Mega Drive so not sure if those are substantially different
Maybe a smidge stiffer? I’d have to compare directly again
ancient surge
The SEGA Saturn controller is very similar to the six-button Mega Drive controller.
hardy lodge
I love that the m30 also comes in the Japanese white variant now. Got one of tho...
On german Amazon they only have the black one. Maybe I'll order it from 8bitdo directly, as they also don't have the pc engine one in stock.
tiny flare
Not sure what shipping is like to Europe but they had free shipping to Australia at least from their Aliexpress store
Which is nice because they rarely have their latest stuff in stock on Amazon AU
hardy lodge
Shipping on the n64 modkit was 1 buck, so I guess thats not an issue. But takes a few weeks to get here, so I'll probably grab a bunch of stuff next time I order there.
I just noticed they only link to amazon on their site for regular controllers. You can only order diy kits directly from them.
pearl harbor
Yeah, I haven't had any issues at all with the d-pads on either of my m30 controllers. They've been excellent for me.
blazing lance
Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo should be ashamed their controllers for current consoles don't have this D pad.
Bc all 3 have failed miserably there
pearl harbor
I actually think the Series X dpad is pretty good.
trim nimbus
Just wish there was actually a native Saturn receiver for the m30
still maple
Those are nice but they're nothing like official sega 6-button I've noticed. Looks like Retrobit has a more accurate model but $$
For genesis i mean
trim nimbus
Retrobits are the same price? I have some of them but they have issues in some games
still maple
Oh rlly. Dang. So 8bitdo is still the most reliable?
blazing lance
tiny flare
Not sure about retrobit’s Mega Drive offerings, but the Saturn controller I got from them was not so great, flimsy feeling and the shoulder buttons broke
pearl harbor
I have a Retrobit 6 button Genesis controller, and it is not as nice as the m30's d-pad. My actual Genesis controllers are also nicer.
trim nimbus
For Saturn, sadly sega is still the most reliable
still maple
Oh man i never tried retrobit stuff. Looked promising. Ill have to skip for now.
trim nimbus
My retrobit Saturn controllers are passable.
I think I paid like 30? For modern pricing it was definitely worth that.
They are better than the old school little brother controllers at least
pearl harbor
For the 3 button controllers, the best reproduction controller I've tried has honestly been Nintendo's Switch Genesis controller. That thing is like a perfect reproduction of original Genesis controllers from a build quality and "feel" standpoint. Shame that it's wireless only though.
trim nimbus
Yeah, agreed.
pearl harbor
It does work great on my MiSTer though. It's just blutooth or bust though.
still maple
Don't give me wrong, I do like the 8bitdo six-button controller. But I think I was under the impression that it was intended to be like Genesis when it's actually much more similar to the official Saturn controller. That's all.
pearl harbor
Yeah, it's definitely closer to Saturn.
I hated the North American Saturn controllers though.
This thing sucked.
kindred peak
😅 that's the controller that feels "correct" to me, even after all these years.
tiny flare
The one nice thing about my PAL Saturn, it didn’t come with one one those monstrosities 😆
kindred peak
Well if anyone has v1 NA Saturn controllers they would like to part with, I am offering them a good home. 🥲
untold lintel
I’m glad I still have my official USB Saturn pad
tiny flare
I kind of want to start collecting different versions of the Saturn pad, like yeah the original PC one, the Ps2 one, all the different colour variations of the original, and even the whacky NA one pictured above
but it would probably be way too expensive
kindred peak
I think the only one that would truly murder the wallet would be trying to score a skeleton "this is cool".
wraith echo
I kind of want to start collecting different versions of the Saturn pad, like ye...
Ever wanted to have a Saturn Bomberman party?
magic fable
Discord logo controller
untold lintel
I kind of want to start collecting different versions of the Saturn pad, like ye...
I'm super kicking myself for never getting around to buying the purple darkstalkers PS2 one
they're insane now, $200-250ish
notably the PS2 ones are nice because it has start and select
naive whale
I'm super kicking myself for never getting around to buying the purple darkstalk...
That is a pretty controller
tiny flare
I guess one cool Saturn-like controller I have is this ASCII-Pad for Dreamcast
thorn pagoda
rad