Sega Saturn

[ivory kindle]

black screen here too

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/actions/runs/5425302655 from here

using DS

[drifting frigate]

Ah, I see. I grabbed mine off of Github. Not out of the Unstable drop.

[thorn pagoda]

the unstable drop is the same thing isn't it?
https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230630_175af7.rbf

[ivory kindle]

different size

[drifting frigate]

It should be, but I grabbed mine out of workflow artifacts and it is just Saturn and Saturn_DS, without the nice extra stuff.

[sudden tusk]

I manually loaded it into my sd card

[slow osprey]

AT is using single RAM build

[ivory kindle]

oh do'h

[slow osprey]

DS isn't working

[pearl harbor]

Single RAM build isn't working on my end.

[drifting frigate]

OK, moved to the ones from the link.

[ivory kindle]

ok weird, still not the same size

top one from unstable-nightlies, bottom one is the artifact from srg320 repo

[zinc vine]

someone gotta compile one

[sudden tusk]

Thunder force V still not displaying properly

First load the core / soft reset the de10 / load bios / works for me

[open compass]

Black Screen

[naive whale]

which bios you on @sudden tusk

[ivory kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-10393204

[river wing]

Black screen here

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, I don't get to any point where I can load bios. It's DOA.

[ancient surge]

I haven't tested out the new build yet, but I'm going to do my usual vetting to see if anything changed.

[zinc vine]

i got the hi-saturn bios

[sudden tusk]

The same ones I had from the beginning

The hitachi

[sudden tusk]

Same

[zinc vine]

when i load it its black and i cant bring up osd

[ivory kindle]

yeah it's ded

[river wing]

same here

[pearl harbor]

The curse of Virtual Hydlide. We flew too close to the sun today.

[drifting frigate]

The core knows Bug! will work now and throttled itself for the good of the world.

[native dagger]

Must be diamond rank in street fighter to play, I guess

[vocal timber]

is a problem with bios.rom , if i quit the file in the games\saturn folder the core start , and can select a bios

[zinc vine]

i cant compile Error (12006):

[sudden tusk]

Not me bro

I am favored by the hydlide

Maybe you guys are just bad at MISTer

Lol anyways sega rally now has voices but music cuts out

Testing grandia now

[ripe valley]

Black screen with the DS build from Unstable.

Cannot even open the core menus.

[zinc vine]

which bios you got?

[ripe valley]

Hi-Saturn JP

[drifting frigate]

1.01 or 1.02?

[ripe valley]

I don't remember, I will do some hashing.

[sudden tusk]

The new shading looking nice , fighters mega mix has slow down in a the airport stage but after that it’s running full speed looking good

[zinc vine]

can you sewnd me a pm with your bios

[sudden tusk]

Sound effects work but music is queefy

[naive whale]

can you elaborate? having an issue parsing the meaning behind "quit the file"

[sudden tusk]

Any stage with a cage in fighters mega mix slows down the game

Still playable

[vocal timber]

black screen if i have bios.rom in the games\saturn folder

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, that's been the MO if you're able to get it running. It just sort of crawls with a cage.

[vocal timber]

if i delete bios.rom the menu in the core works ( delete the file in the sd)

then load the bios in the menu with load bios

[ripe valley]

Sega Saturn BIOS - (Hitachi Hi-Saturn) (v1.01) - 3ea3202e2634cb47cb90f3a05c015010

I can't send a PM right now.

[drifting frigate]

Ding ding ding!

That's it

[naive whale]

ok so 1) delete bios.rom, boot rom, load bios from alt space that is NOT in the sat folder?

[drifting frigate]

Thanks for clarifying albconde!

[naive whale]

@sudden tusk why cant you be more like @vocal timber Hydlide frowns upon thee

[ripe valley]

Okay, let's try it like that.

[vocal timber]

sorry boot.rom not bios.rom

[naive whale]

Hydlide has chosen @vocal timber as today's hero of the realm

[drifting frigate]

Yep, working great for me with the 'delete boot.rom' step finally clarified.

[naive whale]

I will clarify that in a video...delete boot.com from Games\Saturn, load core, load BIOS from alt location that is NOT Games\Saturn

[winter phoenix]

"get your saturn core to work with this one weird trick"

[drifting frigate]

or 'rename bios.bin' then load after launch

[earnest terrace]

would it need to be renamed to a .bin?

[drifting frigate]

It seems so, the load function specifies *.bin

[naive whale]

that would be the logical extension

[earnest terrace]

it sure doesn't seem to like boot.rom->boot.bin, or at least it claims it can't find a CD BIOS

[drowsy hull]

shining force III cliffs/water transition looks nice now

[winter phoenix]

So the problem, seemingly, is that SRG had a typo where the core is looking for boot.bin instead of boot.rom?

[drifting frigate]

Not sure. I haven't tried renaming it boot.bin yet. Just deleting it.

[zinc vine]

yes that weird as fudge

[drifting frigate]

Can someone confirm that it autoboots fine with boot.bin?

Ah, I'll just try it.

[sudden tusk]

Hey at least I proved it works

[drifting frigate]

Yes. Renaming boot.rom to boot.bin DOES fix it.

[sudden tusk]

Hydlide hath showed me the way

[drifting frigate]

In the Saturn folder.

It's funny because the error message still pops up 'CD Bios not found' since boot.rom doesn't exist. So def. a typo.

It loads fine.

[sudden tusk]

And how come I didn’t have to rename anything ?

[drifting frigate]

But the error pops.

[sudden tusk]

It’s a dang mystery YALL!

[drifting frigate]

Were you manually loading your bios before @sudden tusk?

[sudden tusk]

Si

That means yes

[drifting frigate]

That's why.

[shadow merlin]

Quake looks better, it has lighting now

[drifting frigate]

"Si. I mean oui."

[zinc vine]

it doesnt autoboot

[drifting frigate]

It does if you name it boot.bin.

[zinc vine]

i did

[drifting frigate]

I just did it and it's working great now.

[zinc vine]

where you put the bin file same folder

[naive whale]

I had money on you were messing with us lol

[drifting frigate]

So I'm using CIFS, but games\Saturn\boot.bin works for me.

[zinc vine]

umm

[drifting frigate]

I'm currently using HiSaturn.

[sudden tusk]

That’s why I uploaded the vid to quell any doubt !

[hard reef]

Tempest 2000 is much more playable now the webs are shaded

[naive whale]

Camera tricks...some CGI you whipped up 😆 (I am messing with you)

[shadow merlin]

Powerslave looks better now too

[zinc vine]

mine works if i manually load it but it doesnt autoboot

[sudden tusk]

Virtua fighter remix looks and sounds great

Full on music and sound effects

[shadow merlin]

Awesome, it always froze on the 3rd stage for me so lets see if it gets past that now

[drowsy hull]

cannot get dark saviour start a new game anymore :(

[zinc vine]

now it works few reboot

[sudden tusk]

Dang it froze on stage 3

[sudden tusk]

😦

[shadow merlin]

Just froze for me too, but it never used to say "Fight" so that's progress I guess 😅

[ripe valley]

Burning Rangers is much better with GFX but the sound is horrendous or missing.

Astal is working great so far.

[sacred goblet]

I have black screen with the last build when i load thz core

[ripe valley]

The problem was just an incorrect name for the BIOS, thanks!

Rename it 'boot.bin' (Thanks to @drifting frigate)

I need to test Rayman (if some errors are squashed like on the main map screen).
And if Super Tempo works once more on my system...

[shadow merlin]

Hellslave was working until this happened. Still playable though...

[ripe valley]

Interesting.

[earnest terrace]

it doesn't autoload for me as boot.bin but it can be manually loaded

[shadow merlin]

Used to freeze before

[earnest terrace]

I still haven't been able to get sound on most games but I never looked into it long enough to determine whether it was just the games I was picking to test or not

[sudden tusk]

Fighting vipers is running a little slow but otherwise looks great and sound effects work .

[zinc vine]

it should autoload leave it for a few second

[sudden tusk]

Disable DSP sound though

[drifting frigate]

I've never played Tempest 2000 before. It's basically LSD Tapper.

[marble laurel]

With the last update SH of Today

[ripe valley]

Playing cards and some parts of the foreground are rendered correctly now on the two Clockwork Knight games (+Gouraud shading).

[sudden tusk]

Woah I did not know last Bronx had an intro anime complete with original song

[wet hull]

Is this different from the unstable?

[marble laurel]

I didn't know there is unstable build with the SH update of today

[wet hull]

Oh that is the s32x

[winter phoenix]

oh yeah. it's awesome.

[wet hull]

Sorry

[marble laurel]

np !

[naive whale]

a fun intro added that Model 2 obv didnt have

[sacred goblet]

I have very much bugs with this release i did not have before ...

[earnest terrace]

I let it sit for a few minutes but the only workflow that has worked for me was manually loading a boot.bin from the menu and then doing a core reset

[hard reef]

Data seems to be getting written to system memory now - boot a few discs and you can see multiple saves in the browser. Not saved to storage AFAICT

[ancient surge]

Shinobi Legions still doesn't work.

[sudden tusk]

First thing I tested lol

[zinc vine]

lol

[drifting frigate]

Wow, you folks weren't kidding about PowerSlave looking better.

[sudden tusk]

I feel like this can be properly called the first beta release

[ripe valley]

Testing the ENG translation of Grandia now.

FMV are incorrect like before.

[drifting frigate]

Still all sliced up?

[ripe valley]

Yep.

[shadow merlin]

Radiant Silvergun seems to have a bit less slowdown

[sudden tusk]

Made it to stage 3 of panzer dragoon and god that game is timeless

[ancient surge]

I've noticed the loading is now stable in Puyo Puyo Sun. Still some sound inaccuracies though.

[sudden tusk]

Panzer D II now has sound but make sure you disable DSP sound to reduce the queefiness

[ancient surge]

Magical Drop III has regressions with the sound.

[earnest terrace]

I guess I might as well ask this and finally try to get this figured out while there are a lot of eyeballs on the new build, but when grabbing any of the green games in the pinned google doc are most if not all of them expected to output some audio? I don't think I've ever gotten consistent audio (either BGM or SFX) with anything other than Parodius but even that's still spotty. This is with either the Hi-Saturn 1.01 BIOS or the JP 1.01 one listed in the doc.

[pearl harbor]

Green just means that they boot and can be played. Not that they run perfectly or with audio.

[earnest terrace]

are there any notable examples to test with mostly working audio at this juncture?

[pearl harbor]

A fair number of 2D games have worked pretty well with audio in my experience. Stuff like Magic Knight Rayearth for example.

[sudden tusk]

Goddang PD II is amazing .. level 3 is breathtaking

[vagrant cloud]

Dang blackscreen here..

[mortal mist]

same here

[sudden tusk]

Read above to find the answer

[mortal mist]

nah i like black screen

[sudden tusk]

is a problem with bios.rom , if i quit the file in the games\saturn folder the core start , and can select a bios

[mortal mist]

looks good

[sudden tusk]

Delete boot.rom

[vagrant cloud]

Thanks got it..

[zinc vine]

rename to boot.bin

[sudden tusk]

ROAD RASH!!

[vagrant cloud]

Dytona glitch gone, nice

[naive whale]

which one?

[winter phoenix]

always go with Felicia

[zinc vine]

this one

[zinc vine]

bootleg

[winter phoenix]

a recolored Felicia is still a Felicia.

[naive whale]

thats what I was leaning towards too

[grand sundial]

Aww man I’m away, wanted to test Grandia on the new build

[sudden tusk]

Booty shot

[naive whale]

uploading now for tomorrow AM

an @drifting frigate collab

Hydlide and new core in one day...I should go buy a lotto ticket

[drifting frigate]

Hey, it helps schools. Go for it!

[naive whale]

eh the supreme court took about 24K out of our pockets this morning...so I think I will save my dollar

[drifting frigate]

Yep. :/

[naive whale]

I hope one of those six chokes on their caviar tonight...or at least has to be a heathen and eat it from a bone spoon and not mother of pearl

(and now I want caviar for dinner...)

[native dagger]

May they be forced to play through hydlide

[naive whale]

oh no...they dont get the right

only Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing for them

for eternity

[tough star]

hmmmm - new core blackscreens on me

fun

boot.bin it is

[wet hull]

Restart

[tough star]

nah remove boot.rom

renamed it boot.bin

loaded that

loaded a cue

set the region right

it boots

however 'no CD bios found' error

still it works 😄

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it's probably looking for boot.rom for the error check.

Hehe.

I'm sure it'll get sorted.

[tough star]

wow 🙂 massive improvements

sprites are good

[sudden tusk]

Magnanimous

Improvements

[tough star]

perspective now works

scaling

[sudden tusk]

Check out last Bronx

[tough star]

oh yeah chd

I'll do bin/cue for now

daytoooooonaaaaaaaah

[sudden tusk]

I am the Saturn whisperer

LETS GO AWAY!

[tough star]

amazing

this almost looks good enough to do a release

[sudden tusk]

No release until you can save

[tough star]

oh yeah

didn't know that wasn't implemented

not really following this day to day like I was PSX

[sudden tusk]

That’s my most wanted feature , can’t wait to go hard on some dragon force 1 and 2

[drifting frigate]

I want to play through Magic Knight Rayearth. I put an hour and a half into it and would love to continue, but not until I can save.

[ripe valley]

Virtua Fighter, Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Fighter Remix & Kids version are much better now (shading and all, but music and sounds have problems like before).

[sudden tusk]

You forgot virtua fighter remix

That one hangs at level 3

Or third fight

[ripe valley]

I've just tested 2 stages, sorry.

I forgot about that problem, thanks for the reminder.

[sudden tusk]

Battle monsters working perfectly

[drifting frigate]

My back yard today is full of butterflies, bunnies, deer, and snakes. And none of them know there's a new Saturn core. Sad.

[naive whale]

I was gonna go to the lake and go swimming...but instead I tested Saturn. Worth it

[kindred peak]

Man out here saving lives with this critical work.

[drifting frigate]

We just had a monarch hatching so we've got a mix of tigers and monarchs. It's really pretty. But they'll all be dead in a week. 😦 Or obsessed with capturing Dr. Venture.

[sudden tusk]

All work on the core can cease now that battle monsters is perfect

[sudden tusk]

You probably woulda caught malaria from a mosquito at the lake anyways

This elan dore dragon fighting game is wild af

[tough star]

I started collecting CHD images

[pearl harbor]

Nice, I can get past the title screen now in Stellar Assault SS now.

Also the title screen options are fixed in Cotton 2 now. The options are properly highlighted when you select them.

[eager nacelle]

what bios sha1 are you guys using?

[kindred peak]

record scratch

CHDs work now?

[tough star]

nope

[kindred peak]

Thanks. I'm coming in late. 😄

[eager nacelle]

yeah, my core doesn't do anything. Replaced boot.rom -> boot.bin and nothing

[naive whale]

Worked for me. Worked for @drifting frigate too

[eager nacelle]

single or dual?

[naive whale]

I had such big plans today for work and instead I made a Saturn vid for tomorrow and a Neo Geo cd for thurs

[eager nacelle]

tried that already, nothing

its ok. I was just going to test if homebrew compatilibity improved

no big deal

[drifting frigate]

Are you on a network share? Make sure there's no boot.rom in your SD card directory if you are. That hit me on one of my MiSTers.

[eager nacelle]

ohh it was the previous image

i copied another game in (That time dumped the real disc)

and it worked

but I had to reset settings first

[sudden tusk]

Neo geo cd is overrated

There I said it

Im still gonna watch the video and comment about how overrated it is

[dawn moth]

hey all late to the party. Haven't tried the core yet. I need to rename my boot rom?

[sudden tusk]

Just read up bro ..

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-face-sports-oooh-ref-gif-13632662

[thorn pagoda]

house of the dead seems almost fully working

resident evil still glitches out in the ingame cutscenes

[drifting frigate]

Sonic R still sucks. Not the fault of the core, mind you. But it sure looks nice.

[thorn pagoda]

tomb raider seems to hang during one of the start fmvs? (the core one) i think thats new

oh sega rally is starting for me again now aswell

[ancient surge]

I can tell the lighting is not quite there, as Sonic Jam looks wrong.

Still, at least the lighting fixed the flatness with a number of games, so I can't be mad.

[thorn pagoda]

duke3d seems basically perfect, might even be completable

neat build overall - exciting

[slate karma]

I still can't load Sega Rally :/

[sharp dove]

Huh, did something new emerge

Ouuuuuuu

Lets see if I can boot Gokujyo Parodius with this

[thorn pagoda]

rename your boot.rom to boot.bin

[ripe valley]

Nope, I tried just a minute ago.

[thorn pagoda]

we don't really know why u just have to for this build

[sharp dove]

Here huh?

[sharp dove]

Dang

[ripe valley]

Thunderforce V, Salamander Pack, Gokujyo Parodius Pack remain the same.

[sharp dove]

How on earth are these still stuck on that phase?

[ripe valley]

I can't boot Super Tempo, but SEGA Rally works.

[sharp dove]

I'll prolly wait for next build to try my luck

[sudden tusk]

I’m getting a black sky on the first level with single ram

[sharp dove]

Still, glad to know Sorg is doing well-

[sudden tusk]

Shinning in the holy ark has amazing sound

[ripe valley]

We have far better GFX results on 3D games which use Gouraud Shading.
Shading remain WIP on games like Croc, Nights (which regressed without backgrounds).

Same on Sonic R.

[ancient surge]

Noticing a trend with things breaking with this update.

[ripe valley]

Hard rewrite of the VDP1, that's possible.

[noble ferry]

Downloaded the new unstable with the downloader but the core just hangs in a black screen after loading. Did I miss anything?

[slate karma]

I think some things are working better, or maybe I'm just testing more games. NBA Jam TE has fewer graphical glitches and as mentioned before Tempest 2000 is looking a lot better with goraud shading

[ripe valley]

Yeah, they are better now.

[slate karma]

But still failing with Sega Rally, so whatever is with my setup is still not good enough for the core to use (yet)

[sharp dove]

Oh dang

Might indeed wait on then on my end

[inner token]

this might have been a typo, but srg320 isn't Sorg, it's Serg or Sergey. they're different people. both contributed alot to mister

[sudden tusk]

Quite the opposite for me .. been testing generally the same list of games since the first drop and I just cannot agree with this statement

A lot of games have better sound and are running at the proper speed

Shinning in the holy ark is a good example

[sharp dove]

Oh, thx for clarification

[thorn pagoda]

dw everyone does that

[inner token]

yeah people get that mixxed up all the time, just figured it was a typo

[thorn pagoda]

i think it took me about a year after i got my mister to realize they were seperate guys 😄

[ripe valley]

For me, the core have really progressed - just two regressions with backgrounds on Sonic R and Nights, otherwise it improves quite a bit 3D games, sound is better with some games and speed seem better.
Minus, the differences beetween systems (SEGA Rally, Super Tempo at least) and the strange bug with the BIOS with this release today.

[drifting frigate]

Same, but at least it's not entirely flat.

[slate karma]

Hm, I recall Donpachi was quite slow with the old core but seems full speed now? Dodonpachi was super slow too and isn't full speed yet, but is WAY better than last time I tried.

[noble ferry]

renamed the boot.rom to boot.bin, the core loads, but not a single game starts (got message CD BIOS not found)

[slate karma]

I think you might need to manually load the bios via the menu as well?

[sudden tusk]

Can somebody just pin the instructions ?

[slate karma]

What are the "official" ones? Rename boot.rom > boot.bin, then manually load it from the menu as well?

[sudden tusk]

Castlevania 4mb hack has full sound

Time for some speed runs

[noble ferry]

Yeah, that did the trick. But games that weren't working continue to not work and SFZ3 hangs after loading.

[slate karma]

Yeah, same. I think for those of us that couldn't load Sega Rally since a few updates ago, the only improvements are to games that were already working a la Powerslave

[drifting frigate]

I was finally able to get Stellar Assault to load with the newest core. It locked after a bit, but I got some gameplay which is a first.

[pearl harbor]

Gale Racer's graphic corruption is fixed now.

Well except for area 1-3, the night coarse. It's nearly pitch black now, including the road.

[sudden tusk]

Die hard arcade running perfect but weak sound

No more glitchy polygons

[sudden tusk]

Made it past the first boss

Didn’t know it was a problematic game

I’m gonna test dark savior next .. it locked on me with the last core right before gameplay

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, on two of my devices it locks either at the Sims screen or shortly after choosing a ship.

Dark Savior worked for me today. Neat game...I've never played it before.

[sudden tusk]

Dark savior just froze on me when trying to walk out of the first room

This core is bonkers

[drifting frigate]

It really is.

[sudden tusk]

Decathlete is a heck of a lot more stable for me this time around

[drifting frigate]

I tried to do the shorcut outside the ship in Dark Savior and realized I'm not very good at isometric.

[pearl harbor]

I was able to finish the first stage in Stellar Assault.

[sudden tusk]

Same

[drifting frigate]

It locked up right after the wave of enemies. Went to now loading and never recovered.

Pretty neat game, though.

I'm using the EN patch. Maybe that's why it's not loading well for me.

[naive whale]

Saturns best game

[winter phoenix]

Really shouldn’t affect anything … we didn’t change anything about the graphics, and we used sound files that are the same specs as the originals

[sudden tusk]

Best beat em up .. yeah fo sho

[hearty carbon]

You know, I really enjoyed that Die Hard Trilogy that came out later. Totally different game but it was tons of fun.

I'm sure it holds up terribly.

[old pasture]

I'm hoping it just works for me

[old pasture]

I have difficulty with isometric stuff too. To think I was great at Zaxxon at one stage

[drifting frigate]

Well, you know what they say. Zaxxon....Zaxxoff.

[old pasture]

Haha, well said

[tawny forge]

Latest unstable just black screens to me 😩

[mortal mist]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

[tawny forge]

Thanks @mortal mist

[fallen terrace]

1.01 JP recommended bios?

[mortal mist]

I have no idea why it has to be done this time 🙂

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer#compatible-bios

these should work ok

I use free region bios

[tawny forge]

Core loads but it doesn’t seem to run any game? Just black screen for Sega Rally! 🤔

[mortal mist]

I guess you have to load the bios

[tawny forge]

Just did it

Lemme reboot

Yep! Rebooting mister did it! Just white screen after loading the game. Same behavior as before!

Thanks!

[fallen terrace]

Power Slave looks amazing.

Runs well as Y/C too

[mortal mist]

I noticed that there are no longer slowdowns during explosions in Wipeout XL

[ripe valley]

Noticed that too.

[tiny flare]

Tried a few different shooters, Sokyuugurentai, Hyper Duel, Layer Section 1/2, Radiant Silvergun, almost all are a black screen, or hang if you manage to get much farther

Darius Gaiden is the only game I tried that didn’t seem to hang (iirc was already pretty much perfect in previous builds anyway)

[tiny flare]

Oh well, good to see updates, will just continue to patiently wait

[waxen vortex]

Just black screens for me on launch and locks up the MiSTer...

[drowsy hull]

.bin your .rom

[waxen vortex]

Ah ok 🙂

So .bin my BIOS image?

[drowsy hull]

yes

[waxen vortex]

Thanks arit

Still a black screen as soon as the Core Launches, Can't open OSD.

[drowsy hull]

hmm, try moving your bioses temporarily away

[waxen vortex]

I am using CIFS by the way and have the same BIOS files that worked on the previous build

Moving them away the core fires up, I then have to manually select a Boot.BIN file and then games work...

But it now says CD BIOS not found... what is happening?

[drowsy hull]

error/warning can be ignored

[waxen vortex]

Cool looks like Die Hard Trilogy is fixed! I get the correct graphics for the CD on the main menu!

[ancient surge]

No idea why the bios acts so fickle with this latest build.

Typically I need to restart the core in order for it to work right, which is something I didn't need to do before.

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/ZIt88KXrtZ8

fun stuff

[ancient surge]

Stellar Assault is more stable for me. Game still has problems with glitches, but it's stable enough that I can actually play the game.

[undone oyster]

Still having same issues with the games I am struggling to run, Shining the Holy Ark, Radiant Silvergun still don't boot and Nights still doesn't get passed the Sonic Team logo on its own and audio is still missing

But Skeleton Warriors works really well

But shadowing works in Virtual Hydlide now

But I noticed something that has been fixed and that is exploding polygons in Die Hard Arcade

And Daytona USA no longer has exploding polys

[tawny forge]

Is daytona fully playable with sound and all?

[undone oyster]

Few crackles here and there but music is playing fine and looks great

But nothing is still really classed as fully playable lol

[tawny forge]

Damn. I think I need to get a new ram module then 😅

[undone oyster]

🙂

Or it is just the core and your set up

Like certain games work for some people and not others

Like I keep having crashes trying to get to or off the menu on Burning Rangers but awbacon can play the game

Some people can get in game on Shining the Holy Ark and for me it hangs at the now loading screen

[tawny forge]

It’s my ram module, it’s old

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $33.59 41％ Off | Ultra-thin V2.9 128MB Board for Bitfunx Mister SDRAM XS-DS Replacement Memory Module for Terasic DE10nm FPGA Game Accessories
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKZD5vS

Is bitfunx a good vendor at Aliexpress?

[undone oyster]

I want to get a 3.0

[tawny forge]

Good call

Will look for 3.0

[undone oyster]

I will do eventually or wait for a 3.1 board, I am pretty broke right now after recently upgrading my PC after the CPU died

But it was getting old and now I got a new powerhouse of a PC 🙂

[naive whale]

CPU died? That’s not something you hear every day

[undone oyster]

Yeah it kept hanging randomly so I was running some hardware benchmarks to find out what was causing it and anything multi core would cause it to just freeze lol

It was an i7-6700k so pretty freaking old now

[naive whale]

Surprising. You OC’ing it?

[undone oyster]

Nope

I was even running my RAM without XMP

[naive whale]

I wonder if it was your power supply getting old? I’ve seen that happen but usually when the CPU is asking for extra voltage overheads and the supply rails are getting shit

Anyway what does it matter 😂 I am just always curious why stuff breaks

[undone oyster]

PSU only got changed a couple of years ago

[naive whale]

Shit breaks weird sometimes. My last PC went away because of bios corruption issues. I could only get it to post if I removed the bios battery, reset the bios, waited ten minutes and powered on. It needed a bios chip replacement but it was old so it was sold for parts

[undone oyster]

But yeah I mean I was planning an upgrade soon anyway and this just forced it to be quicker

[naive whale]

Wasn’t about to hand rework a 5 year old motherboard

[undone oyster]

I got a Ryzen 7 5800X and an RTX 4070 now so I am happy 🙂

Double the cores, Double the threads and 3 generations higher GPU

RAM is 3600mhz as well

[naive whale]

I was thinking of switching my 3090 to a 4090 but the Resolve benchmarks didn’t move enough to justify the expense

Also work is slower in Chicago so I no longer care about render times as much 😂

[undone oyster]

Yeah I went from a 1070 to a 4070 so the difference is insane to me

[sudden tusk]

PSA : REMEMBER FOLKS , If a game sounds super scratchy try turning off DSP sound in the debug menu

OMG BULK SLASH SOUNDS PERFECT

[naive whale]

I am running a i9 12900K with an OC, 64GB of ram and the 3090. Enough for now

[undone oyster]

Very nice

[naive whale]

I still mention in vids sometimes the best thing to do with the core is mute your TVs audio and then slowly turn it up to make sure you don’t get a game with the wild clipping / unnaturally loud garbage audio. It’s an ear bleeder

I’ve had a few “rip headphones off head” moments testing versions of the core

[sudden tusk]

The only game that does that for me is NBA jam

[sudden tusk]

But yeah a lot of loud bleeps and bloops

I generally turn DSP sound off right away and turn it on after I load a game if I don’t hear any sound at all

Bulk slash rn is sounding perfect with DSP OFF , voices and sound are coming through clean

[polar geode]

Is anyone having trouble with the latest Single SDRAM build for Saturn? The core will not boot for me, and freezes my MiSTer

Oh, its the bios apparently

[ripe valley]

Retro Frog (Todd Gill) explained he was stolen from some of their designs by that cloner company even recently.
https://twitter.com/ToddsNerdCave/status/1673892757700476932

So, at your risk, just passing the info.

[tawny forge]

Will stay away from those crooks. Thanks for the heads up!

[inner token]

those bitfunkers trademarked misterfpga also and had nothing to do with it. stay away from them

[tawny forge]

Bitfuckers

[mossy crystal]

Y/C?
Is Y/C enabled on the latest build??

[kindred sundial]

Is panzer dragoon playable without issue in this newest core?

[unkempt kelp]

They tried to trademark it but I blocked them

[inner token]

oh, for real?

[unkempt kelp]

Yeah had my lawyer challenge the filing and they didn’t respond so it went to default summary

[inner token]

🙂 not all heroes wear capes. Nice move

Porkchop does indeed wear a cape sometimes though

[unkempt kelp]

Haha well kind of. The only way to keep it from happening again was to apply for the TM myself. I don’t plan on abusing people in the community though, maybe just shady Amazon sellers that have been jerks to me, and butfunx

[naive whale]

You’d still have to theoretically contest other uses or it can end up going into a situ where the lack of defense may open it up to an abandonment claim. Maybe your lawyer could write up a $1 license agreement? So it’s technically “defended” but also not “kept away” from the community?

Or a penny. An even funnier amount lol. Also $3.50 is a good time 😂

[unkempt kelp]

Right it’s a neutral position by default

[naive whale]

Plenty of fun ways to do it

[stone sky]

AliExpress. Mister fpga 128m sdram v2.9
https://a.aliexpress.com/_msoE1jm

I recommend this one, I use it in my two misters of it and I have no problems with any core, even in previous versions of saturn core

Retrocastle at least has good products.

[wise brook]

when are those affected finally gonna lawyer up and protect their rights?

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-saul-goodman-usa-united-states-of-america-gif-5322556

[wanton elk]

I get no music in Tempest 2000 😦

[wise brook]

and makes his own stuff

[naive whale]

Lol I can say as someone who's had to defend myself in court 3X times (and won all three times)...involving lawyers isn't usually the best move unless you like to spend money

[wise brook]

fee-shifting not make a big difference in your state?

or also sue for legal fees?

[naive whale]

mostly my insistence on it being wholly needless in the first place to have gone to court + my stubbornness

2x identify theft cases and one dispute with an editor who never finished the work on time but still wanted to get paid

all three were OBVIOUS wins and I think the total time before dismissal / decision was like 4 hours on all three

very simple stuff like "contract states must complete X by Y date for Z payment. Failure to complete X by Y = bad things"

other two were just creditors trying to make me pay on identify theft where I had police reports / paperwork showing the identify theft / charges against the party that had done it

[unkempt kelp]

No idea why you would buy from Aliexpress if you live in the us

https://misteraddons.com/products/sdram-xsd-2-9-128mb

100% machine assembled

[frail token]

Great, machines taking our jobs again

[naive whale]

"damn robots taking all our jobs"

[frail token]

I'd rather have cousin Ed with the lazy eye assemble it 🙁

[unkempt kelp]

Ah, so you are for “manual welding” with free bonus flux left on board haha

[frail token]

"Are these two contacts supposed to be bridged by a 1/2" blob of solder?"

[naive whale]

dont make fun of my fine pitch soldering skills 😆

[wanton elk]

Anyone tried the symphony of the night hack? I get to the char select screen and then nothing...

[naive whale]

someone above said it was working

it was @sudden tusk

[wanton elk]

I think I've tried the worng hack

Nocturne in the moonlight is the best one, right?

[naive whale]

Nocturne Extended V1.5

Ive tested and captured before on earlier cores and it worked

have not tested on yesterday's

[old pasture]

While at home earlier, I tried SotN, and it didn't work. Hopefully I'll get some time tomorrow to spend some time on it.
@naive whale thanks for the video, the instructions to Rename the Bios was useful

[naive whale]

I think you might be cursed

[old pasture]

lol, I streamed NGCD earlier, I went in blind and paid the price lol, I didn't have the correct bios or ROMs, it was still fun though.

I think I'll have a better time tomorrow

[naive whale]

I was playing with the core some with Andy D...some of the loading speed increases are gold

[old pasture]

Deffo. Shame I found out after the Stream

Btw, your 25k video was pure gold

I don't have a Saturn, so please don't enter me into the prize draw

[naive whale]

wait till you see my 4th of July video

filled with weirdness

[old pasture]

Tom Cruise wheelchair game video

[old pasture]

I commented for fun

[inner token]

it should be fun to tell everyone they need to get boot.rom again after that's fixed

[old pasture]

Decent

[naive whale]

oh wait didnt I show you that already? lol

cant remember

[old pasture]

Haha

Nah,

Right back to work, I need to go through some paper work for Lifts/elevators (no action), before I can chill and begin messing around.

Have a good weekend all

[naive whale]

is that what you do? Elevator engineer?

I kinda assumed you were in the cherry distribution business lol

[inner token]

he's playing real life Elevator Action

[old pasture]

Nah, I just have to make sure all the safety requirements are up to scratch. I get a bunch of guys doing the work. I just gotta put the results together. Book in repairs etc, if required.

I'll send the report off at the end of my shift, so it looks like, I've been working hard all shift.

[old pasture]

I wish lol

[naive whale]

death traps...all of them

elevators and roller coasters...out for blood

[old pasture]

Well, now, I have a machine gun

[naive whale]

(VGE admits to phobias of elevators and amusement park rides)

[old pasture]

I got stuck in a lift at work once. I was good. I had Netflix Castlevania downloaded to my phone, so I watched that for an hour and a bit before I got rescued.

[wanton elk]

Nocturne hack (v1.5) does not work for me either

same thing that I get to select a character and then just a black screen

using CIFS and not sure what ram version I'm rockin'

[sudden tusk]

Worked for me@

[wanton elk]

Guess I have to entertain myself with Bust-A-Move 2 instead 😦

[sudden tusk]

4mb Sotn hack

[naive whale]

try bubble symphony

a banger

[sudden tusk]

Mesh transparencies just suck though

Who the fuck thought that was acceptable ?

Just play bulk slash

Got to mission 5 of the English hack before my wife had to pry me away

[naive whale]

makes me want to go play games vs sitting here editing videos about them

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-do-it-flames-fire-shia-labeouf-gif-17696690

[sudden tusk]

Why don’t you just do a let’s play??

[naive whale]

this might not make sense but playing a game for capture vs just playing a game are two diff things

I am trying to make certain things happen when capturing / thinking about edits...takes the "game" out of it

[wanton elk]

It's got not music on my mister

[naive whale]

bummer...thats half the charm

[wanton elk]

restarted the core and now I have music 😉

some sound effects are a bit rough but other than that it seems to play just fine

[naive whale]

awesome...dumb fun game

one of my favs on Saturn

so much so...

Literally keep it next to my PVM

[warped cliff]

I'm surprised VH didn't get a mention on the new video 😂

especially considering we're dealing with someone who loves their jank 😂😂

[naive whale]

haha the world can only handle so much Hydlide in a week

my subscribers can only get so hard

[warped cliff]

I'm a subscriber, and I'm only semi hard 😂

[naive whale]

here let me fluff you then

more colorful?!?!

saturn version is like a rainbow had a baby with a bag of skittles and the full pantone book

[native dagger]

Like an E3 presentation

[naive whale]

taking guesses...whats the SECOND Saturn game I keep next to my Saturn and PVM at all times

nope

there is a hint in where its kept next to

[pearl harbor]

For my birthday!

[naive whale]

they made a movie about you then

[dawn moth]

This new core is really awesome. nearly everything I tried loaded. I noticed I had to reset the core fairly often between games. If something didn't load the first time, I reset the core and it loaded. Finally Daytona doesn't have the exploded polys.

[naive whale]

😂

Bad news. Nobody cares about Saturn

[warped cliff]

😆😆😆

you didn't get a screenshot with the shadows though?

[naive whale]

Hydlide? that was before new core

oh nvm I am dumb lol

[grand siren]

Sega Rally & Daytona still don't work with my v2.5 ram 😦
They used to work fine up until a few months ago's updates

[tawny forge]

There’s some meta-stability to be ironed out yet

[grand siren]

yeah, all good 🙂 I'm patient

[tawny forge]

Let’s give this core some time

[rigid obsidian]

I gotta see how spiritual assassin taromaru runs on the new update, last one was a regression for me on it, when before it was running smooth as butter

[alpine jewel]

Happy to see development still happening with this core. More so happy to just get any updates that he is safe.

[strong zephyr]

What about Guardisn heroes! Or even that game where they go inside a whale, and beers are health restores, but the kids can’t use em 😂

[drifting frigate]

GH still locks up with music only for me on 3 different setups. Hot Blooded Family runs well.

Lots of sound issues, but it plays well.

[strong zephyr]

Thanks for testing but it was a reply on ‘die hard being the best saturn beu’. Tbh i don’t even care personally as i get burned out after playing then for a longer time. Generally i do prefer 2d games over 3d, and come on GH is treasure that means we gotta worship it right? 😂

[drifting frigate]

I had already done it, so it's a freebie for the joke.

And I absolutely love GH. Hot Blooded Family is absolutely worth checking out as well. So regardless, it's pretty cool that it works well. Because sometimes you need to beat a mf with a telephone pole. And that's the game for it.

[strong zephyr]

Well as far as games can be judged objectively, i feel gh might be the best one on Sat. But it was a bit of a let down for me personally . I think i was playing cadilacs vs dinosaurs and AvP and golden axe 2 in the arcade around that time and that’s what i was looking for? So kinda ‘judging fish tree climbing skills thing’. And also generic BEU fatique, which is less of an issue in an arcade as i mostly was a one credit per game guy. And didn’t wanna spend to much money. Hbf i never played but saw often on yt. Will give that a quick go.

[simple hound]

heya all - I was trying to download Saturn_20230630.rbf - I cant seem to find it.... is it patreon only?

[willow pawn]

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/Saturn_SingleSDRAM_unstable_20230630_175af7.rbf

[strong zephyr]

lol, thought i found a nice english translation, turns out it was a ps1 version, And boy that version is a bit rough, read it was a launch title? curious how the saturn version compares. Bonus points for being of the first ps1 games i can remember that advertises another game on boot 😄

[west moss]

Morning, just in case anyone is having issues getting the layest build to work.. I couldnt get anything to load at all and I tried every bios in existance. Turned out you need to run the Mister Main Unstable nightly.

The old build worked fine, I guess i swapped back to the main mister when we was told on the last build the unstable was no longer needed.

[mortal mist]

I use the latest stable main and it works ok

v230526

[west moss]

weird.. It wouldnt load any game at all, It just saw them as a audio CD.

The new core is amazing though, kyuukyoku tiger ii plus plays like an absolute dream.

[tawny forge]

Wrong region set?

Core config must match the game region

[west moss]

No, I changed the region to match the game but it literally just saw every game in my library as an audio CD until i changed to the unstable main.

[wet hull]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/commit/7614a93a18a8ab42bb3e657e69d271029273b30f

He fixed bios loading

[mortal mist]

nice! thanks for the info 🙂

[vestal night]

please help, when launching the last Saturn kernel, a black screen and no response to the menu call, what could it be?

[mortal mist]

new core with bios fix is on the way 🙂

[tawny forge]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

[mortal mist]

or maybe wait for new core

🙂

[mortal mist]

I don't see any difference, still boot.rom crashes the system

and there is still a message about the missing cd bios 🙂

I guess it's something else

[naive whale]

Wow so technically two new cores in one day. Hydlide delivers

[sacred goblet]

I have white screen on sega rally. You too?

[mortal mist]

sometimes 😉

[sudden tusk]

Praise be the hylide

[verbal pollen]

Zophar starts sweating

[naive whale]

we really should just rename this channel the "Virtual Hydlide...and Saturn" chat

[sudden tusk]

I second this motion

bangs gavel

[clear condor]

It's kind of cool that people are using this Virtual Hydlide core to play Sega Rally somehow

[verbal pollen]

It’s a shame the core doesn’t go faster than 7fps unless you play one of those other games

[tawny forge]

What are you guys talking about?

[sharp comet]

@ancient surge tee hee

[ripe valley]

When I try the new core, I can change games without having to reboot the core almost 2-3 games now.

[ancient surge]

Oh you weren't joking.

[sharp comet]

do I ever?

muahaha

Quest64

[tawny forge]

🤔

[frail token]

isn't that a feature of whether or not they are in a folder together? Or separate from that

[sacred goblet]

I have the message "cd bios not found" when starting a game. I dont have sound in Sega Rally and panzer dragoon. Panzer dragoon has some freeze during vidéo. Nights freeze just After Sonic logo... I dont recommend this build!

[ripe valley]

I wanted to explain that I no longer have a crash or game that starts to crash when I continue the tests.
I could already change discs in the same directory when a change of disc is requested (Policenauts, for example), but now I can play 10 games in a row without error or freeze when changing directories.

That's better than previous builds.

[frail token]

oh okay

[waxen vortex]

SEGA Rally working fine for me (with a few audio issues which is to be expected).

I don't like the "I don't recommend this build"

[sudden tusk]

It’s not even in alpha yet

Personally sega rally works for me , no music but voices work fine

[tulip urchin]

With the latest build from today, do we still have to rename the bios to .bin?

[mortal mist]

for me SR this time also works, in the previous core did not work

[fallen terrace]

What's hydlide?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Hydlide ?

[mortal mist]

yes

[tulip urchin]

thanks

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/asain-japan-gif-19431061

[dawn moth]

so what's changed in the second core? Nearly everything I've tried has run fine. Some have excellent sound now, radiant silvergun sounds ghastly, though.

[sudden tusk]

Yep better sound and more stable polygons plus the shading implementation

[dawn moth]

I mean the new new one. did he fix the boot rom glitch?

[tough star]

Quest sixtyfour for you but not for me 😄

[wise brook]

Virtua Quest

oh fuck, wrong game

[sharp comet]

damn you, always making me add more terms to the filter

[tough star]

whahahha 😄

I shall not be beat!

[user was banned for this comment]

[drifting frigate]

Not the rename issue, but the core reboot issue. Still needs to be bin.

[dawn moth]

ok. I noticed having to reset the core more often than before.

[warped cliff]

Quake looks a lot better now that lighting works

[frail token]

There's Quake on Saturn? I continually discover new games I didn't know where ported

[harsh dew]

to get the latest rbf do i just scroll back in this chat to the last one posted? or is there a github build repository or something?

[inner token]

try the Unstable nightlies channel here.

[subtle seal]

Well done 🙂

[naive whale]

Glad you enjoyed it

[subtle seal]

guess i need to install the new core now!

can confirm the 7.2 core, uploaded this morning to #unstable-nightlies , does not work as expected. Both single and dual sdram boot to a black screen, cannot access the menu. i had the 5.10 and 6.8 versions prior, both worked fine. This is with the unstable main as well from yesterday, 7.1.

[drifting frigate]

If you scroll up you'll see a big discussion about this. Rename boot.rom to boot.bin and load after launching the core (Load Bios in OSD). boot.rom being in the root will cause it to crash entirely... alternatively you can delete boot.rom and load any *.bin bios file manually. I just renamed it boot.bin to keep it consistent and easy to swap back if/when it gets fixed.

[subtle seal]

ahh, appreciate, trying that momentarily.

[drifting frigate]

NP! The core is massively improved in a lot of ways, but some stuff has regressed around loading for some people. Just a heads up.

[subtle seal]

k, working. trying the greatest game ever, virutal hydlide

[tiny flare]

yeah, unfortunately even with the renamed bios file extension I still get stuck on black screens after the Sega logo a lot of the time, or just hangs later - hopefully just some hitches on the way to improved accuracy in the long term

[subtle seal]

oooooh, frame rate feels crappy like it should. that's not a knock btw - i'm being for real. i think it's running at the real saturn speed now. felt overclocked before.

i've run this game hundreds of times so i'm used to the choppy frame rates - prior cores felt too zippy.

sounds good

[verbal pollen]

lets go 10fps instead of 7!

[subtle seal]

no no no we want the 7, speedrunning accuracy 😉

[verbal pollen]

🤣

[subtle seal]

there's some oddness on the ground when running i didn't notice in the last core, like white streaks

[drifting frigate]

I think that now that there's shading, it's dropping it down to 'real hardware' levels. I noticed that as well.

Also, Dracula being hit is maybe the funniest sprite I've ever seen in my life.

[subtle seal]

yup that's right hahaha

never saw it in a freeze like that

sound effects sound more accurate too in the menus

[drifting frigate]

Yeah. And the voices were there for me. Never cut out.

Which they did before.

[subtle seal]

is the vampire voice backwards like it should be?

[drifting frigate]

It's Japanese in my copy.

[subtle seal]

last time i tried the core, the vampire's voice was wrong

yeah shouldn't be, should be backwards

i know that sounds odd, but that's what the us version does, backwards speech

on real hardware.

lighting bug is fixed, nice!

[drifting frigate]

'Guresuru nimpu wo erande kudasai' it sounds like.

It's really muddled.

OK, I've listened a few times. I'm pretty sure it's purei-suru ninzuu wo erande kudasai.

Which is "Choose how many people will play"

WTF?

My version IS the US version, btw. I double checked. CRC checks out.

Definitely Japanese and not backwards English.

Any JP speakers wanna take a crack at it? I'm VERY sure the back half is '選んでください

[lusty rapids]

I can only hear プレーする人数を選んでください just like you said

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

Sound designer probably had it lying around from some other game and was like 'welp...'

[cursive turtle]

I tried Virtua Cop and it was pretty stuttery and Virtua Fighter 2 locked on a black screen. anyone else have these issues? just wanna see if the problem is with the core or with my hardware, I'm dual ram

[lusty rapids]

I wonder if the JP copies have the same voice lines

[drifting frigate]

It's to hot to do anything so I guess I'll check. Hehe.

[drifting frigate]

I've got 2 dual ram and 1 single ram (with analog). Dual ram is DEFINITELY less reliable. Which is backwards from how it used to be. It doesn't matter if you use the single ram core or not. If jump 3 is flipped, it is just less reliable, period, it seems.

[cursive turtle]

Hmm weird, oh well I'm sure it'll smooth out with time. I can play Saturn Bomberman and Darius Gaiden at least though with muffled sound

[warped cliff]

it might be the best version of quake that is currently available for the MiSTer

[frail token]

Seems like it would suck to aim

[tiny flare]

I'm having issues similar to that on single ram at least

[drifting frigate]

Same in the JP version.

[lusty rapids]

interesting

in my head I was like maybe they did this in the US version because no one would notice

but JP having such a nonsensical voice line...

weird

[drifting frigate]

Very.

I got a good RNG. I should write the world code down. Excellent sword in the graveyard.

The bats were hyper aggressive though. I don't know if that's dictated by world variables or I just happened to approach each one at a bad angle.

NLLTNGFJSQ - world code for heavy armor outside of the graveyard, 2 really nice sword drops inside the graveyard. Can't say how good it is after. 3 orbs on the lower level of the castle, 2 on the mid, good drops. (edit: there are always 5 orbs, I just must have slept through one once)

[subtle seal]

hang on, let me show you what i mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC2A42uVHUg&t=2114s go to 7:40 @drifting frigate

of course i'm talking over the vampire like a fool

but listen carefully. in the us version, on the saturn, he speaks what sounds like a nonsensical string. it's actually what you said, but backwards.

so the saturn core is doing something that isn't what a real saturn does what that sound byte. it's supposed to be playing it in reverse.

can confirm on my real saturn.

[drifting frigate]

Oh, I didn't get that far. Just the first vampire after the graveyard.

OK, I see, it plays backwards in the beginning as well.

Yeah, still not playing backwards.

[subtle seal]

correct, the saturn core on mister plays it forwards both times instead of the correct way on the saturn which is backwards.

[drifting frigate]

But it's the same clip.

[subtle seal]

same clip

[drifting frigate]

Just in reverse... weird.

[subtle seal]

yeah i think it was likely a T&E soft "joke"

or they ran out of money

so they gave the vampire a backwards japanese line to sound like a vampire language

[drifting frigate]

That explains why it would be in the JP version as well...if it's playing backwards. Forwards it makes no sense. Hehe.

I take it this also happens on an emulator because ProJared did a run and it played forward. I just found that while trying to find sources on the line.

So this is a good test for future updates.

Gonna guess there's a flag on 'play sound' that can be set that's not implemented yet.

It also was a woman's voice. They slowed it down. Neat stuff.

[sharp dove]

https://youtu.be/xhnD2UGg05o

Saturn was an interesting platform for 90s' Anime games, eh

[dawn moth]

interesting platform for crazy weird anime game intros. Holy crap the intros are weird.

[errant sand]

@old pasture still no SOTN?

[old pasture]

I gave it a quick shot one time, but no joy, I'm hoping to get sometime today or tomorrow to sit with for a bit.

[errant sand]

same same - single ram system, infuriating watching it work for everyone else 🤣

[old pasture]

Lol, all good. I'm sure it'll happen one day....

[errant sand]

still amazing work, of course 🤙

[old pasture]

Indeed 😀

[polar geode]

The glitch on the loading text for Akumajo Dracula is fixed

Thunderforce V seems more stable in the menus, but still doesnt load into gameplay

[polar geode]

Any progress is good progress, and I just hope the core author is safe and healthy

[polar geode]

I can make it to the second stage on Astal now, thats new

Asuka 120% now loads too

[ancient surge]

Weird, Asuka 120% always loaded for me.

Are you playing the Limited Burning release or the technically canceled LimitOver Burning version?

I can confirm Asuka 120% Limited Burning Fest still has the same issues of incorrect shadow rendering and sounds randomly cutting out.

[polar geode]

Limited Burning Fest

[naive whale]

I remember this...super useful still

[polar geode]

Oh wow, it was what I used for burning PC Engine CD games to CDR back in the day

[naive whale]

I keep a host of old burning software around for diff consoles

[polar geode]

Twinkle Star Sprites loads for me now as well, would not before

[naive whale]

I thought it always loaded...then I remembered I was thinking of the NGCD core 😆

[ancient surge]

It used to hang on a black screen with older builds, but in more recent builds it boots. Albeit the initial boot is unusually long.

[polar geode]

It was quick for me

[mortal mist]

for me only hitachi Hi-Saturn bios works with sound

[polar geode]

Same

[tiny garden]

v1.01?

[ancient surge]

The BIOS works for me without any issues.

[mortal mist]

Core plays full bios sound on startup like here? https://youtu.be/XQdSVNn8x5k

[ancient surge]

I use the Hi-Saturn bios, and the intro plays out like it normally does. Not sure about the other bios versions, but at least on my end it plays sound with no issues.

[mortal mist]

Yes , hi saturn works with sound

[ancient surge]

I might test it out, but I remember older builds working fine.

[mortal mist]

The others have no sound on startup

[ancient surge]

Okay so the original BIOS intro has no sound. I even double checked the different revisions, and they all lacked the sound.

[mortal mist]

Thanks for checking 👍🏻

[ancient surge]

Also the RAM builds have no affect, it just lacks the sound regardless.

[naive whale]

Probably the best boot jingle of the generation

[sharp dove]

Gotta wait for now before I can hear the legendary jingle (maybe it'll be fixed the same time the picture output's put to correct position in analog output)

[wise brook]

super important question

what's gonna be the best, most convenient way to play 10player saturn bomberman on MiSTer?

[clear condor]

The MiSTer framework itself actually only supports connecting six controllers to it, so that'd have to be expanded

which leads me to believe that for a while it'll be multitaps over SNAC

[vernal sun]

We need netlink support and a netlink hacked version

[wise brook]

if I had to do some weird db8 snac to blueretro combo.... that would be fine

[noble escarp]

Would require a 6p multitap over snac and 4 other controllers over usb/bt. Right?

[clear condor]

Can Porkchop's SNAX (or equivalent offerings) do two SNAC ports on Saturn?

[noble escarp]

One thing that I'm very curious about is to try making a multitap for more than 6p. Would games support it?

[clear condor]

...nope, 4p max for now

Hey I was gonna do that

SNAC on Saturn is all super speculative for now anyway

[noble escarp]

I mean, games already supports the 4p or the 6p multitaps (genesis and saturn ones)

[untold lintel]

bomberman is the questionmark

it does 10p

[noble escarp]

Yes, with 2 multitaps. And if I remember correctly, can be a mix of saturn (6p) and genesis (4p) taps.

So, if one made a new multitap for 10p. Games would support it? XD

There's also this 3rd party 4p saturn multitap. No idea if it reports as a 4p or 6p device

[inner token]

saturn snac can only do 1 port but as Sonik said the sat multitaps have 6 ports.

so think that is a typo on the spreadsheet.

can't remember if there's an option to use usb pads as a multitap yet(i don't think there is)

[noble escarp]

BlueRetro can simulate a saturn multitap

[errant sand]

bleh, is sega rally broken for anyone else with the latest build?

[turbid crescent]

For a while for me. The core is not consistent for everyone.

[hot siren]

does the latest unstable need unstable main again?
Tried to load the newest core and it seems to crash my mister

[turbid crescent]

try to rename the bios.rom to bios.bin

[turbid crescent]

Out of curiosity. What SDRAM version are you using?

[drifting frigate]

I can play Sega Rally on my 1x128 MiSTer but not on my 2x128 MiSTers. All using CIFS and the same share.

(all 2.9)

[turbid crescent]

SDRAM ver?

[errant sand]

not sure on the ram version, tbh - how can i check?

[turbid crescent]

it's written on it.

[drifting frigate]

2.9

[errant sand]

ill open the mister up later on today and check

[turbid crescent]

I don't have a 2.9 and some games aren't working so I assumed it would be it.

Does it requires 128mb for it though? Maybe I'll try my 32mb 2.9

[drifting frigate]

I'm not sure. I don't think it requires a full 128, but I may be wrong.

Eh, per Github it's a full 128.

[turbid crescent]

Thanks, just trying to trim down the possibilities, but as Andy pointed, it might not be it.

[errant sand]

no worries - i havent had any luck with SOTN this whole time. crashes after selecting character. i assume its all related...

[turbid crescent]

haven't tried it yet. My focus was only Sega Rally, but it's been a long time since it last worked, then the cd behaviour demanded the new unstable mister and I gave up.

white screen for me now.

[errant sand]

ahh, ok - sega rally was working great for me on previous builds. but yes, white screen now.

[slate karma]

Sega Rally is down to the RAM speed, not the version. If you can get over 140MHz it seems to work, anything equal to or below doesn't. Regardless of version.

I think it's just that v2.9 is more likely to be fast enough... but doesn't mean that it is.

[turbid crescent]

Thought the speed was tied to the version... my bad.

[drifting frigate]

On my dual ram build (whether I use dual ram or single ram rbf) I get a white screen.

[turbid crescent]

like all 2.9 were at around the same speed or something.

[drifting frigate]

Single RAM seems way more stable now, which is new.

[slate karma]

It kind of is, but it just means that with 2.9 you're more likely to get 140+. But the Saturn beta core prefers, say, 142MHz+

[turbid crescent]

got it, so I wasn't that off then, thanks for explaining.

[drifting frigate]

All my sticks are >140. Which is likely why it works on single.

[slate karma]

No problemo 🙂

[turbid crescent]

Guess I'll have to dig my saturn eventually.

[slate karma]

Not at all.

This is an unstable/beta core. Just be patient, there's next to 0 chance the final release won't support slower RAM

[turbid crescent]

Yeah, it's possible. Still I'm assuming it could not be the case and we might have some "odd core" that requires it.

[errant sand]

was going to play with PC Saturn emulator and realised i dont know what the "go to" emulator is

[slate karma]

Don't base it on that though. For starters, there's no way of guaranteeing you'll get faster RAM unless it's been tested to perform better by the seller. And even they don't know before they test. And secondly, this is a beta and hardly optimised. If it worked on an older core with this SDRAM, it will work on future ones... eventually. There are other priorities (core-wise) for srg320 at the moment though.

[errant sand]

Mednafen still "good"?

[turbid crescent]

been a while since I last checked, but it was the good one.

[tiny flare]

definitely the best out there currently

[turbid crescent]

I get it, not just core wise, his whole situation is far from ideal. Part of the kick for me is being able to test things out.

Had a blast in the early CPS and PSX days.

[hot siren]

now it tells me "CD BIOS not found" (though it doesnt crash the system anymore)

[errant sand]

@turbid crescent yea same. looks like that era of "testing" may be over

[turbid crescent]

Load the bin manually in the load bios option and it should work.

[hot siren]

thanks that did it

(didnt update my MiSter in month)

[turbid crescent]

Nah, we have n64 and I'm sure other stuff will come around. Sadly it looks like JT is more strict with his betas. Most of it come pretty stable recently, but it's taking longer. I ended up buying a NGPC and a Card Fighters for "cheap".

[errant sand]

ah cool, fingers crossed.

eep medna still has no gui

thats cool... i guess

[tiny flare]

people tend to hate it for various resaons, but retroarch is probably your best bet if you want to quickly get up and running with it

[subtle seal]

The original US BIOS did have sound. i owned an original saturn in 1995 and while that one's now lost to the sands of time, it had a sound like almost "star sparkles", i can hear it in my head. just not in this core

[ancient surge]

Thank you Captain Obvious.

[subtle seal]

oof.

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-thanks-yes-sir-gif-18484184

hehehe...

[frail token]

Hey have some respect

That's MISTER Captain Obvious

[subtle seal]

Lord Captain Obvious is good too. 😉

[frail token]

I'm rooting for the day you get your Doctorate in Obvious Sciences

[inner token]

Dr. Lord Captain Obvious Phd?

[drifting frigate]

Must. Get. To. Latrine....

[drifting frigate]

Oh, I'm aware. I actually.... and I shouldn't admit this.... kinda like it.

It's ugly. It's VERY ugly. But it's not the worst game I've played by a long shot.

[burnt matrix]

[tiny flare]

I feel like I'm getting gaslit into playing this game eventually

[ancient surge]

I wish Grandia wasn't a broken mess on the Saturn core.

[drifting frigate]

Even if it worked perfectly, not being able to save is a killer on that one. 😦

[frail token]

Esquire

[burnt matrix]

I wouldn’t let others tell you what’s good or not, you should experience things through your own eyes

Thanks to the Saturn core, you too can enjoy Virtual Hydlide

[drifting frigate]

After yoiu do, come back and tell us which words in that sentence are doing the heavy lifting.....

@burnt matrix - have you run across any good starting world codes by chance? I'm wondering if there are some that are better set up for first time players.

[burnt matrix]

AVOIDNOID

[drifting frigate]

Guessing there's at least one agreed upon speed running one.

You can use FAIRYPLATE or ARMOUR or HYDLIDE to get good items up front.

[tall radish]

strangely i have an older core version with snac support. works fine.

[twilit forum]

Just chiming in to say I can't figure out how to not get the CD Bios not found error when loading games

I renamed the BIOs to boot.bin

using JP v1.01

[mortal mist]

you can't do anything about it, it's just a error, it doesn't matter

games work ok with this message

this will probably be corrected at some point

[twilit forum]

for some reason, the BIOs will load but the core will read the game as an audio disk

now

[mortal mist]

latest stable mister main ?

[twilit forum]

yea

used update_all last night

loaded bin and cue for my games

[ancient surge]

Did you make sure the region is correct?

[twilit forum]

my region is set to Japan and im trying to play tokimeki memorial and policenauts

both launch as an audio disk

[thorn pagoda]

i've had that happen a few times (randomly?) try resetting the core after the image is mounted

[twilit forum]

ok ill give it a shot

wow it randomly works now

also theres still a small graphical glitch on the konami logo sequence for tokimeki

[shadow merlin]

That glitch used to be worse on previous versions of the core, so it's getting better. Sound is improved in that game now too

Stellar Assault works pretty well now

[twilit forum]

yeah i played a little bit of it. it works well but i still cant get policenauts to load

its a little too unstable to boot games for me to use but progress is being made for sure

[ancient surge]

It's better than the last core build, but it still randomly crashes for me.

[mortal mist]

same , but I am glad that we can test core 🙂

[tiny garden]

How do you check the speed of RAM? Is it some where in the settings?

[mortal mist]

Memtest

[burnt matrix]

Me too. I wonder if @inner token sees any value in updating a recent Saturn core to include SNAC again.

[tall radish]

i talked to him and he was not aware people are using this. he will release a snac version latter on.

[burnt matrix]

He did a great job! I ended up buying a fair few Saturn accessories because of that build hahahaha

[inner token]

I'll try to do another unoffical build sometime. there was a change that allowed usb controls to act as different saturn peripherals, then another change after that reworked that. I still need to work out the best way to incorporate the snac code into that, then have you guys test to check if I broke anything.

[twilit forum]

I got policenauts to load and it works great audio wise. just a couple graphical errors with the credit names in the OP and some lighting errors in the beginning

I didnt play too much of it because I'd have to get my HDMI monitor out to play it since my tv cant stretch the picture in rgb and I dont want to play games underscanned

[rare zephyr]

I cant seem to get the newest unstable Saturn (single) to boot. Ive update_all.sh'ed, rebooted, and even downloaded the new core directly from Sergey's git. Im just getting a black screen and I cant even bring up the MiSTer menu. Requires a hard power cycle. Anyone else experiencing this?

[vagrant cloud]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

[rare zephyr]

I did, both in the BIOS folder as well as the Games folder :/

[vagrant cloud]

delete config and reboot

[burnt matrix]

There shouldn’t be a bios folder

[burnt matrix]

Happy to do so when you need it!

[rare zephyr]

There's one in the root dir. @vagrant cloud that seems to have made a difference, but its acting kinda wonky. I can load the .bin as a 'game' and it will boot to the Saturn's main system menu, but it wouldn't load the game, even if I opened the menu and 'inserted' a disc. Trying to load a game specfically (In this case Pocket Fighter) gave me the no BIOS found error. It looks like thats common for now? Saw a couple comments about it here. But then I tried it a 3rd time and the game booted. Not sure what made it work that last time.

[burnt matrix]

That’s odd, it’s located in media/fat?

Well that’s not related to your issue so it doesn’t matter. No cores use a bios folder so it’s superfluous but it doesn’t harm anything.

[rare zephyr]

Yeah, been there as long as I can remember:

[burnt matrix]

That’s not standard but it doesn’t do anything bad.

When you load the core have you tried manually loading the bios?

That’s what I need to do.

[rare zephyr]

Hm, I know I didnt add it myself, because there are subfolders in there for cores Ive never used like CoCo3, PC88, etc.

[rare zephyr]

Yes, that will load the bios fine, but it wont load a disc. That top left icon doesn't turn into the little "s" logo indicating there's a disc in the console. But then opening the menu and inserting a disc/cue did nothing.

[burnt matrix]

Is the core set on the right region for the game?

[rare zephyr]

Yeah, JP.

Otherwise it would just say disc is not suitable for this system.

it just doesnt act like a disc is inserted at all.

Honestly I dont know what made it work that last time lol. I have a seriously atrocious short term memory. I gotta bounce, wifey wants me to take her somewhere. I'll have to fiddle w it later on. Thanks for the assists.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah no problem, we’ll get it sorted, friend. 🍻

[drifting frigate]

On a default Mr. Fusion install it's under Utility > SDRAM Test

[errant sand]

@drifting frigate the top right yellow being the mhz?

how about i just google it, haha

143 it is

and no, no sega rally here

er, but virtua racer just loaded up for the first time yay

[cunning citrus]

Is renaming the bios file still needed?

[drifting frigate]

Currently, yes.

[delicate mantle]

Still trying to figure out why Radient silvergun stopped working on my office set up. Updating the stable cocktail table to see if its different

[delicate mantle]

Weird, no change, Battle garegga and Sexy Paradious are working wonderfully though.

[ancient surge]

I still wonder why Waku Waku Puyo Puyo Dungeon and Madou Monogatari run at half speed.

As far as I'm aware, those are the only games that have this problem.

[naive whale]

at least those!

[delicate mantle]

It's strange it tries to load but just black screens.

[turbid crescent]

I think the bios animation is a bit slower as well. Maybe I'm just remembering it wrong.

[sharp dove]

Saturn can't handle the godly power of Arle unless pushed to it's limits

[pearl harbor]

Not yet. Probably not for a long time honestly. I would assume it would arrive after more critical features are added first (like game saves).

[tall radish]

Anyone having luck with loading the bios automatically? boot.rom does not work. I can only load boot.bin manually.

[tiny flare]

I still need to manually load it every time I load a game disc, even after renaming it to .bin

[digital basalt]

I am having issues with loading Saturn core, it just shows black screen

not able to open Mister menu also when I load tht core

[tawny forge]

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin

I think we need a bot for this 🤔

[digital basalt]

i tried

still having black sceen issues

😦

[faint flicker]

you sure there is no boot.rom in the folder anymore? for me the problem persisted as long as i had the boot.rom file in de folder, i first made a copy and called it boot.bin but that did not work, i really had to remove the boot.rom file

[digital basalt]

sorry, iut works now

it

btw sound and sfx still have issues but games run smooth

[magic fable]

I have been playing Sega Rally Championship on the newest release and loving it. I know almost nothing about the saturn so I'm trying what I could 😬

But there seems to be an issue with the X-axis when playing on a crt. The bios picture is more to the left of the screen with a black bar on the right. While in some games the picture is a tiny bit to the right of the screen

[turbid crescent]

Screen position is a problem, core is in alpha state.

[magic fable]

Thanks. I'm not up to date with everything about the core, still it's a fun time messing around in it

[turbid crescent]

Saturn is amazing, glad more people will be able to enjoy it.

[naive whale]

editing more Saturn testing videos and Virtual Hydlide got another mention!

[gentle musk]

Hey folks, how do you get game saves to commit on this core?

[hot siren]

The core is still very much in alpha and can not yet persist saves to the SD card

[zinc flume]

if saturn core gets CHD support thatd be sweeet. converted my games to bin cue but love me some chd. i have a mistercade and think its so cool that one day ill have all those games working

on a blast or astro city just feels so right

[wise brook]

Bulk Slash on a real Sega cabinet would be lovely

[honest shale]

guys i need help... where do i get the latest main saturn build..

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[honest shale]

do i need to update my mister to an unstable build to play it?

[tiny flare]

Not for this version no, latest stable will be fine

[honest shale]

okay, thanks i'll try again.. maybe the .cue i was using wasn't good

[next bronze]

The main Saturn build doesn't support Y/C?

[mossy crystal]

Not yet

[honest shale]

i dunno why this linked build doesn't work for me

it goes to a black screen and freezes my mister

[inner token]

you renamed boot.rom and manually loaded bios with that build?

[honest shale]

yeah, i did

i grabbed the bios it suggested in the FAQ and named it boot.rom

dropped it in the games folder on my usb hdd

games>>saturn

and i loaded that .rbf into the _console folder on my root

ran update all

updated everything

but when i load that build kuba linked