Sega Saturn

[naive whale]

Playing some real Saturn

Forgive the cord mess. Setup in progress

[green jacinth]

I only have English patch grandia but it's not working right for me very glitchy

[polar geode]

The cool VCR is gone, I can't be arsed

[naive whale]

it was replaced with a 3DO M2 FZ-21

[green jacinth]

Double checked I was wrong about saves it didn't keep saves after rebooy

[naive whale]

touch rarer

[polar geode]

You monster

[ancient surge]

I can back this up with the dual RAM build.

[blazing lance]

What's the scoop on single vs dual version at this point

[polar geode]

Sounds like you need a family plan

[blazing lance]

Lol, fixed typo

[lusty rapids]

I'm more of a single softbank myself

[ancient surge]

FMV cutscenes in Grandia seem to be glitching due to the interlace resolution not lining up properly, so it seems like an obvious fix at least.

[sudden tusk]

Can’t save.. once you unplug your mister all data is wiped

[polar geode]

poverty ryu will lead you astray

[ancient surge]

I find it revolting Death Crimson actually boots and is one of the most stable games I've tested.

Death Crimson

[polar geode]

stupidly goes to see what this is

[sudden tusk]

Da fuq I do?

[polar geode]

Well nothing, Im just kind of a jerk

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mg-mega-man-mega-man-robot-animated-shocked-gif-17556784

Is it because I said I could beat you at street fighter ?

[polar geode]

Well I mean.. maybe..probably

[quaint dove]

Are we having a street fight?

[sudden tusk]

It’s the truf maing

[sudden tusk]

Yeah you want some ?

[polar geode]

To the PC Engine! It is time for Fighting Steet!

[sudden tusk]

The sf II port isn’t bad on tg 16

[quaint dove]

It’s really good

[sudden tusk]

It’s not as good as the snes version but it sounds better than the genesis version ..

It’s right smack in the middle

[polar geode]

I've heard a lot of people say its the best 16 bit port between SNES/Gen/PCE

[quaint dove]

Wasn’t Fighting Street a CD release?

[polar geode]

Yes!

[quaint dove]

WHY

[sudden tusk]

I would rank it right below the snes version but above genesis

[polar geode]

For that sweet sweet arrange music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVmBzQCOeGI&t=1578s

[sudden tusk]

I still gotta give that a listen ..

[sudden tusk]

I’ll wait to experience it in game ..

[polar geode]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/6Mrd6Uv3hGQFtuZ6MO/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952k91z76aooc28zsssx3jlvnqpjn1irduayeiulq4r&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[sudden tusk]

Yo bat you gonna play tekken 8?

[polar geode]

Aint got shit to run it

[sudden tusk]

Ahh, get a ps5 bro

For SFVI and tekken 8

[burnt matrix]

PS5 is for chumps, all the real g’s go X

[sudden tusk]

Whatever you corporate bro

Sony is a corporation too so nvm

[lusty rapids]

sony gives us a station to play at, ms gives us a big ❎

[sudden tusk]

Damn corporations !

Zaibatsus!

[burnt matrix]

“EXCUSE ME SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY PEE ESS FAIVES IN STOCK? HYUCK.”

https://tenor.com/view/onfleek-kieran-culkin-smiling-nerd-gif-6019514

your average Sony fan right there

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-warden-come-on-now-chad-warden-really-gif-18774263

[polar geode]

DO YOU HAVE ANY GREY POUPON

[burnt matrix]

meanwhile over in the Xbox “YO I’M A REAL GEE, HOOK ME UP WITH DA POWR OF X!!!!’”

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gangster-gif-18328585

[sudden tusk]

Everyone knows ps pentuple is the most balla game system out there

[burnt matrix]

damn look at the Xbox kid

He got game

[lusty rapids]

xbox got no game

gonna give it a pass

[sudden tusk]

Xbox kid looks like he’s about to get shot by the cartel for talking shit

[burnt matrix]

yeah probably

[green jacinth]

Cha warr'n. Got dat ps tripple

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ballin-chad-warden-gif-19888516

PS PENTACLE BALLIN!

PS PENTA BALLIN!

[sudden tusk]

Yeah you know what it is ..

We done upgraddde to the ps penta naow

[burnt matrix]

Meanwhile the MiSTer kid is like “WE GOT BATTLETOADS AND PANZER DRAGOON BITCH. We even got Adventure Vision! I don’t know what the fuck that is!!!”

https://tenor.com/view/little-superstar-dance-midget-gif-19969269

MiSTer always comes out on top, the real hero

[sudden tusk]

Mannnnn do I love me some fucking panzer dragoon

Goddang

Can’t wait till we can save so we can all play through saga

[burnt matrix]

AMEN BROTHER

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pope-gif-9351894

[burnt matrix]

im kidding, I’ve got a PS5 and Series X, both are cool

[sudden tusk]

Hey add me on ps5 !

Fight me!

[burnt matrix]

Bro I suck

But ok

[sudden tusk]

Ahh it’s all good … maybe you can learn some new stuff

[burnt matrix]

Hell yeah

[sudden tusk]

And it’s all in good fun

[quaint dove]

I have a series s and nothing else because I’m poor

[lusty rapids]

I'd tell people to add me on ps5/4 but my account is set permanently to appear offline so it's sort of worthless

[polar geode]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYjFlMTkyNTJkMmIyYTc4YTg1Y2QwYjNjYjJjNTM5YzJjZmJkZWM3MCZjdD1n/BPVvNqseZHL9jo5IVY/giphy.gif

Too busy with my C64 core to be wastin' time on PS Pentups

[sudden tusk]

You are just afraid !

[burnt matrix]

Honestly, I love the old PC cores a ton. Thank goodness for curated packs.
It’s like every game I play is a gem.

[polar geode]

Give One Must Fall 2097 a try on ao486

Year 1994

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0FNUDLdT4A

https://media3.giphy.com/media/1Mng0gXC5Tpcs/giphy.gif

[blazing lance]

What are you supposed to do when the Saturn core just says the lid is open

[burnt matrix]

I might be crazy but I think there’s a core option for that?

[sudden tusk]

Not for the Saturn , psx has it though ..

[burnt matrix]

Thanks that’s what it was.

Never-mind ignore me lol

[drifting frigate]

Usually that means you haven't loaded a valid cue file. But given the situation lately, I'm guessing it means you are using the release MiSTer build and not the unstable one from 3/26.

If you're using the unstable from 3/26, verify you're using the proper saturn redump images (bin/cue, not CHD) and try loading a cue from the OSD menu. If you don't get the Saturn logo or 'This disc cannot be played' (which just means you have the wrong region selected), the bin/cue is probably not recognized and you may need to source other backups.

[blazing lance]

Thank you. It's probably the files as you suggested, I am on unstable fwiw

[drifting frigate]

Can't wait for the changes to hit stable! Hehe.

[mortal mist]

No one can guarantee anything now , core is in a very early version. I suggest to wait. I don't know if it makes sense to change the sdram just for the alpha version of saturn core.

[mortal mist]

ahhhh like this game

trash it

[sudden tusk]

Sometimes a reset is all you need

[blazing lance]

AndyD, it was my ROMs

working now

Real Bout Garou does some interesting effects when you hit your enemy

This is also a decent baseball game

[edgy hollow]

He asploded him

[turbid crescent]

Change the ram to 1MB. Neo geo = 1MB ram for better compatibility.
Capcom = 4MB
Behaves the same on real hardware.

Some games from snk work with 4mb, but not all of them.

[ripe valley]

I remember the game does some illegal byte writes to VDP2 CRAM, which provokes missing colors when that case is not simulated/emulated correctly.

[kind quarry]

i had one of those “all in one” carts and often the 4mb ram one would cause a lot of problems if not specifically supported

[blazing lance]

Very interesting! thanks for the tip.

so what was this like on real hardware, was this RAM modules you had to insert?

[kind quarry]

it would go in the cart slot, and official ones didn’t have any save capability. you’d have to save to the system memory. which often lead to a loss of save.

the saturn cart slot was really, really touchy. most recommend never removing a cart once it’s loaded. you risk losing all your savings when removed (i lost all of mine a few years back when i was hooking it back up). it was sad but it just gives me a reason to play sonic R and panzer dragoon saga again.

[willow pawn]

FYI Just 3 games require 1MB RAM, all SNK, and one of them is Real Bout Garou (Others are Kof96 which has a patch)

Oh yeah by the way, new core doesn't support kof95 original, right?

[ancient fractal]

There were official 4MB RAM cartridges, as well as save data backup carts

[turbid crescent]

you need to change them accordingly as stated. Samurai 4 uses it too. But to be honest, leave Neogeo to the neogeo core and use it for the capcom ports that are unique. Vampire Savior on Saturn has more characters to choose from if I'm not mistaken.
But this behavior is the same as OG hardware, not a bug.

SFA3 too... but I'm not so sure.

[polar geode]

Cyberbots is enhanced over the arcade, ftr

[untold lintel]

Not really

It has a new character and a bunch of missing animation frames and such

[polar geode]

You can play as Devilot and Shade right from the get go, and it has voice acting in it unlike the arcade

[untold lintel]

We made a romhack where you can use all the secret pilots on the arcade and simplified the secret character codes

[polar geode]

It is like MSH in that it supports 1M or 3M RAM modes

[polar geode]

Is there an MRA for this on MiSTer?

[untold lintel]

Yeah, it’s called Cyberbots access mod

[polar geode]

Many thanks

[untold lintel]

Should be in arcade offset

If not shoot me a dm I can dig it up

[polar geode]

There it is, under unlocked. I'll take the full animation frames over the voice acting.

[untold lintel]

Bots is one of my favs. We found a ton of dope tech

[polar geode]

I really loved my A/B board of it when I had it

[untold lintel]

I’ve got one I’ve had for a while

I got to meet up with the JP scene when I was over there a few years ago

[polar geode]

Mine was a grey asia set, not that it mattered after a phoenix anyway

[untold lintel]

And have run some events at combo breaker and makai for it

[polar geode]

You use a supergun?

[untold lintel]

Yeah, mister now though!

https://twitter.com/svk_jpn/status/1640727922393911296?s=46&t=HWVuKjRVwZ90DwvT2xG9-w

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[polar geode]

tech ~

Woah

Uh that MRA crashed on character select lol

The Vampire aesthetic mod hack crashes too, bummer

[untold lintel]

Oh, there’s a workaround

I’m not at a PC, but basically there’s an older version of the core they work on that you edit them to launch the old cps2 core

When he fixed the O Deejay crash, it broke those 2 Roms

[polar geode]

Ah, okay

[sudden tusk]

I have never ever seen anyone ever pick old deejay

[woven veldt]

I have no such luck as you guys with the latest Saturn core release, mister main updated, right bios. What I have is when I launch the core, I have the bios showing up and when I select a game cue/bin (redump), for ex Akumajo, either it stays on the bios page or freeze at the konami fmv at the beginning. Also I have no sound in bios startup nor the Konami FMV some random crackles time to time. 128 MB ram test good with solid 147Mhz. All the other cores works fine with no issue with my DE-10. Anybody else having a similar issue as mine? (also previous Saturn core release was working fine)

yes I did latest release on 26/03: MiSTer_unstable_20230326_21806d

[mortal mist]

game starts , it can't be main

what version of sdram do you have ?

2.4,2.5,2.9 ?

[woven veldt]

I have the 4 chip version that came with my IronClad board: https://www.d3fmod.com/product/mini-itx_ironclad_plus/

128MB

[mortal mist]

ok so it;s sdram

[woven veldt]

ok you're 100% sure? I mean I have everything else working 100% fine...even the bad apple demo

[mortal mist]

yes

[woven veldt]

neogeo, psx, etc...

[analog totem]

I was having trouble with my all-in-one cart a couple months ago and what fixed it was shoving a piece of thin cardboard behind the cart 😅

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/5

[analog totem]

@woven veldt afaik this core currently has compat issue with 4 chip ram

[mortal mist]

it;s alpha core

[woven veldt]

Thank you for this!

[mortal mist]

does not work stably for 100%

[woven veldt]

ok

[mortal mist]

there are even differences in performance with sdram version 2.4-2.9

all we have to do is wait 🙂

[woven veldt]

Ok I'll wait when things stabilize with future releases and if I see it's still the same then I'll swap the SDram module with an official one....Thanks for the prompt reply!

[kind quarry]

ha, I did this too. i used tin foil. apparently the RF fields can mess up stuff.

[analog totem]

@kind quarry I actually opened my cart up and used that metal tape (had some laying around that I used for a dryer vent) on the inner cartridge shell to shield mine

[plush jetty]

Simple fix that’s helped me on at least. Two different Saturns: loosen the screws a bit on either side of cart port

[slate karma]

I'm having a similar issue as well and have regular "official" RAM, so a different official RAM won't necessarily fix it. I think just waiting is the best course of action for now 🙂

[quick smelt]

I haven't installed yet- anyone know if 10-player Bomberman works yet?

[untold lintel]

6 controller hard limit for time being

Haven’t tested the game in particular just setting expectations

[quick smelt]

Right on. Is it thought that one day 10 player will be possible, or currently unknown?

[cunning citrus]

To add, the 6 players hard limit is for whole Mister environment.

[quick smelt]

Ooohhhhh... Did not know, that's a bummer. Not likely that we will get 10-Player Bomberman then, eh?

[zinc vine]

how can i compile battletoad?

[viral pebble]

I opened a feature request to add 12 player support which the Saturn supports on a few games. Sorg denied me. Here’s the ticket fyi: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/issues/465

Maybe if enough people annoy Sorg he’ll reconsider lol

Pretty lengthy discussion on the ticket for those interested. I wonder if it’s a logic issue? With the N64 core being announced maybe it’ll eat too many valuable resources to add more than 6 players?

[untold lintel]

The Russian version of “counting your chickens before they hatch” is pretty good

Sorg posted: In Russia we say: "Splitting a fur of not yet killed bear."
Saturn core is not released yet.

[polar geode]

This is like people bothering pass about 64DD implementation when the alpha core isnt even out yet

[viral pebble]

To be fair I did mention that I’d like the player count to be increased from 6. There are dozens of 8 player PSX games and a few 8 player Genesis games

I mentioned that I’d be content with 8 and he still wouldn’t budge lol

[polar geode]

Wish I had 9 other people that wanted to play MiSTer with me 🤔

Weeb life is hard

[untold lintel]

I’ve played 4 player on mine a number of times and would probably put together 8 here and there

[quick smelt]

Yes. I often say, my Number 2 goal in video games is to play 10-player Bomberman. My Number 1 goal is getting 9 people to play it with me

[untold lintel]

Come to Atlanta in July and it’ll be at Southern Fried Gaming Expo

[quick smelt]

Tempted

Bomberman is just such a great beginner/casual/introductory game. Anyone can play it and get it and enjoy it. When I found out there was a TEN player version, I was stoked

[untold lintel]

A buddy has brought his setup last few years running

[quick smelt]

Haha yeah he really wasn't having the discussion, was he? I appreciate your effort, thanks for inquiring about this. Maybe someday someone else will somehow come up with a hardware solution that lets us do it

[polar geode]

the sorg giveth, and the sorg taketh away

[noble escarp]

Saturn snac is single port only, but supports the multitap.
A combo of snac and usb devices would work.
And for snac, one could use a real multitap with saturn controllers, or a blueretro adapter.

[edgy hollow]

Well at least I can justify that I have a saturn with 2 multi taps

if ever the core gets stable

[ripe valley]

I've tried the English translation of Policenauts on the current core yesterday.

Some minor graphical rendering errors on names during the introduction, seems to be a text layer over the FMV.
Otherwise the game plays and feels great now.
I've not tried to connect a 'lightgun' type controller on Player 2 though.

On the previous core version (December 2022), the game was freezing just after some minutes of gameplay.

I've played though a part of the game for 2/3 hours, the disc change is possible with 'saving' just before changing the disc on the core interface and doing a soft reset.
The core cannot detect directly a disc change, but a workaround is possible for that game.

[old pasture]

Btw, I realised something, not sure if it's been mentioned here.

So far I've gotten into SotN twice. When I did the music during name and character select did not stop and the game started.

All other times when it fails to get into game, if the music stops during file/character selection

I've honestly tried around 400 times lol

Thanks everyone for suggestions and help troubleshooting

Haha, I'd love too, but I can't commit to any streaming until the end of the month, early next month.

Part time YouTuber life lol

[naive whale]

Haha not a bad idea

[sudden tusk]

What if you use a multi tap through snac ?

[wooden dew]

If save data is persisting across resets I wonder how far off we are from saving to disk?

I guess we can really only speculate wildly

Just waiting for 32x to be able to save as well so I can play that Demons of Asteborg game with all soundtrack elements working

[sudden tusk]

I wanna beat all the nba teams on nba jam!!

But I’m working on that on the sega cd core ..

[polar geode]

I just want to play the beta arcade versions as Sub Zero and Scorpion in little booty shorts running around the court

[sudden tusk]

That’s kinda weird bro ..

Why you wanna see scorpion and sub zero in booty shorts broh?

[polar geode]

"bro"

[sudden tusk]

Bro ? I’m serious bro? Why?

Explain to me why that is appealing to you ?

[polar geode]

Im non binary, but I will be your bro if you like.

I just kind of find it hilarious that you can play as Sub and Scorp in NBA Jam lol

[sudden tusk]

My best friend growing up grew up to be non binary and we still bros

[viral pebble]

There’s an NBA Jam arcade rom hack that recently came out that adds Jordan to the Bulls

[sudden tusk]

Is that the 2K22 hack?

[viral pebble]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g3019aGZN60

NBA Jam Rewind is the game

[tidal raptor]

that's really cool

now they just gotta add the outtake voice clips from that leaked snes build lol

[polar geode]

That was great

[sudden tusk]

Get that shit out of here!

[naive whale]

John Stockton or go home

[drifting frigate]

All that Jazz.

Growing up in Spokane for a big chunk of my childhood, I was sick of Stockton before I knew who he was.

[polar geode]

WA?

[drifting frigate]

Yeah.

He was from there and went to Gonzaga. His dad was something of a hometown blight.

[polar geode]

I was there like.. 6 or 7 years ago. It had 3 really good classic gaming stores, I was kinda surprised.

[drifting frigate]

My favorite tabletop store ever (before they moved) was Merlins in Spokane. There are some good things there. Some.

I went to Lewis and Clark HS and was in Farwell in Mead a year ahead of Jerry from Penny-Arcade. But I wouldn't suggest it as a bucket list destination, that's for sure.

[polar geode]

A friend was visiting from Maine, and he had a friend in Spokane, so we drove out to what (I believe) to be the middle of nowhere to the place. I scored a Little Samson cart out of it, which at the time was important to me so no gripes

[drifting frigate]

Noice! It sucks to say this, but having had my own personal collection ransacked by my cousin for meth, the drug problem there does mean a LOT of games go to pawn shops/second hand store. I found some great stuff 10 years ago when I went back.

[polar geode]

What is it with meth in the PNW.. it's all over

[drifting frigate]

I have no idea but it was rampant.

[polar geode]

you cant get sudafed in OR over the counter because of it

[drifting frigate]

There's a cook house near my wife's parent's in Boise Idaho that has been busted maybe once every three years for the last 30. It's just constant yellow tape and 'hazardous materials' signs for as long as I can remember.

Same here (western WA now).

[polar geode]

Dont forget to visit Nintendo HQ

[drifting frigate]

Wife worked there in the contingent test group. I worked at Redwest at Microsoft (a block away).

Nintendo in WA sucks. Treehouse and the front facing stuff is all remote offices in downtown Bellevue and those are cool, but Nintendo HQ is a bleak, minimalist nightmare business park with a semi-good 7/11 nearby.

[polar geode]

Sounds a bit... post modern

[drifting frigate]

That stretch is one of those 'anywhere in America' liminal spaces, apart from a few old growth trees here and there. It's all flat offices parks.

[polar geode]

The architects I used to work with bitched about post modern design a lot

[drifting frigate]

Density in work spaces is good. I hate sprawl. It's ugly and takes all of the life out of an area.

This is no longer Saturn talk, though.

Hehe.

[polar geode]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/wu2nCG9rOy7AY/200w.gif?cid=82a1493b5gjr5yx1at8gtkng9pc4hc7xridnmmgm40m2kxau&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

Who says it needs to be

[tiny flare]

I feel pretty lucky to have only ever worked Melbourne CBD (ie. downtown) - so many great places to get coffee and food. That's probably the one thing that sucks about working from home, not many options out here in suburbia, although I guess you save a bit of money just eating at home...

also yep lol, totally not related to the Saturn core

[drifting frigate]

It makes me six button sad. There. Saved it.

[tiny flare]

Sega Sad-shiro

[polar geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prplYuk-7kk

Anyway! Here is a Saturn game!

[drifting frigate]

I am actually six-button sad. I got a couple Retro-Bit Big6 controllers in anticipation of Saturn and for arcade fighters and the 2.4Ghz receivers corrupted my SD card. They were just utter crap. I guess I'm done with RB as a brand (this also belongs in controllers, not here, but face buttons and saturn are strongly integrated to me).

[zinc vine]

sandisk sd card cant go wrong

[drifting frigate]

This one did. But it wasn't the card's problem. The receivers were just garbage. PC kept flipping out when they were inserted and they mount and unmount as a drive very quickly like they were stuck in update mode or something.

[polar geode]

That sounds... sub optimal. Were they sending over 5v over USB or something?

[zinc vine]

i got 2.4 ghz retro bit controller doesnt work on the current core but it did work on theold core snac edition

[drifting frigate]

I couldn't even flash firmware because the instructions have states they never entered. Flashing, solid, nope. Just a dead light on both.

I can totally use the Genesis + snac, that does work on both.

[drifting frigate]

Not sure. I am going to probe one with a scope this weekend. I am way past return. I should have opened them immediately.

[tiny flare]

wow, I don't think I've ever had such an amazing failure from a controller before, although yeah I have the retro-bit saturn USB controller and it is pretty bad in terms of build quality

which was what put me off them

[polar geode]

I keep hearing people say that, but the one I have has been excellent. Maybe the build quality went down later?

[tiny flare]

not sure, mine is just really creaky, and the shoulder buttons eventually caved in and the switches stopped working, which I was fortunate enough to have some spare Xbone replacements to solder in instead

[drifting frigate]

These are bad, too. Very light, very thin plastic, they feel like a pack in for a clone console.

[zinc vine]

i have the 2.4 ghz and it works with the actual saturn

[polar geode]

🤔 I must have gotten mine from some magical run

[drifting frigate]

Maybe Castlemania got a batch of grey market knockoffs?

[zinc vine]

and i have a blueretro for saturn with m30 8bitdo that good too

[drifting frigate]

I returned my wired saturn, though. They said 'analog' in the description then confirmed after I verified it's a digital 8 dir pad that it was 'analog compatible with games that can use the digital pad.'

I should have written them off then.

[tiny flare]

8bitdo M30 is really good, probably the one 8bitdo controller I have that I would be comfortable recommending to anyone

[drifting frigate]

My favorite pad! I should really just get more of them instead of gambling on cheaper (not in the long run!) ones.

[zinc vine]

who made the old core support with snac?

[drifting frigate]

Oh, sorry, I was using this on Genesis. The Big6 comes with Gen, not Saturn. But it works for that just fine.

[vernal sun]

I just want to put out there that bro is a universal term that carries with it zero expectation of gender, race, species, or even life. A rock can be your bro and that's cool. That's what makes bro such a good word.

[old pasture]

I think it may be worth trying a RetroArch Netplay session or even Fightcade 2 one day. It could be fun

I don't think there's much point in online MiSTer. Fightcade does a great job of it.
One of the main things with MiSTer is the lack of lag, and online will add that.
Don't get me wrong I love playing online, but I don't think it's worth it with MiSTer.
Happy to be proven wrong.

[tidal raptor]

the m30 is such a nice controller, totally fit my need of a genesis controller on MiSTer

now, just gotta get back to beyond oasis at some point lol

[lunar tapir]

Has the compatibility improvements with the latest core been worked out yet? Have many more games been fixed? Its hard to tell from the compatibility sheet

[hot siren]

SRG320 is a tear.

[mortal mist]

There are a few games that work better for example VF Remix /VF2 , Symphony of the Night works for some

The problem is that many people have different results when testing

The core does not work completely stable, much depends even on the version of sdram

[old pasture]

Yeah, I love it, the RF one is particularly good.

[ancient surge]

So what's the deal with the new build that just dropped?

[mortal mist]

There was a change for SH for S32X , Saturn shares the same file , that's why it was compiled

I don't see any other changes

[sudden tusk]

Bro!!!

[slate karma]

I'm still having the same issues as earlier, which was seemingly down to RAM timing sensitivity. Still a white screen on Sega Rally, and VF2 just showing a black screen.

[sudden tusk]

Sega rally works fine for me .. until I pause

[lusty shell]

White screen on sega Rally with dual or Single ram setup? I am on dual and also have white screen.

[mortal mist]

More people reported the same problem

Sdram v2.9?

[potent furnace]

For me it's working fine with dual RAM 128MB v2.9

Sega rally US version

[mortal mist]

Yeah , problem is with 2.4/2.5

[lusty shell]

Make sense. Dual 2.4 here. But with the previous Core version sega Rally started

[mortal mist]

this core needs a lot of improvements , it does not work completely stable, after all it is an alpha.

[burnt matrix]

If you’re not downloading the core from the Update script, expect nothing to work correctly.

And yes it’s very normal for things to work, then break on the next update, then work again later.

[naive perch]

i haven't played the saturn core for a while what do we do after we load the cd ? iirc on the top left the button should be like start ?

[drowsy hull]

if the cd was recognized correctly it should be something like start game

[naive perch]

mmmm i had no issue with batsugun before

now anything i press insert it doesn't do anything

just says drive door open

[zealous karma]

you need the latest Mister unstable

[naive perch]

i do have it

i thought unstable would fix the issue cuyz it was happening to me to an older saturn beta

instead of play i see
Set CD+G channel

[zealous karma]

I dont mean the Saturn unstable, I mean the Mister unstable file

#unstable-nightlies message

[naive perch]

yes i have both

it wouldnt load the core if i didnt anyway

[zealous karma]

To me it did load the core but not the discs when I was on older Mister

[mortal mist]

core will load with the old main also but not the game

[naive perch]

im not sure if i fiddled with a setting before, i haven't played the core for like 2 months, mister is on unstable now

[zealous karma]

you use redumps?

[naive perch]

ngl not sure but they played all just fine on previouys version of the beta

[zealous karma]

when did you update Mister Main?

[mortal mist]

just make sure you have the last available main unstable and core, do a cold reboot and you should be ok

[naive perch]

today

like 5 mins ago

[zealous karma]

lol

then I dont know what to tell you. Your problem sounds exactly what happens when you are on older main

Just to confirm, you renamed the Mister main to just "Mister" right?

[naive perch]

yes

[zealous karma]

ok, then I got nothing

[naive perch]

i checked the number too on the file and the menu

ah batsugun now loads

[burnt matrix]

I think you’ve offended the gods and need to make amends. Spend 5 hours in the SG-1000 core and beat Congo Bongo to enter back into their good graces to play the Saturn core again.

[polar geode]

That's just mean, you could have at least said Pitfall II

[zinc vine]

any changes on the new rbf?

[mortal mist]

no

[zinc vine]

k

[naive perch]

in this end it was something like this porb

got another one and works

time to play as maria

[earnest jetty]

Ah, is that so. I've got a 2.5 module, so I'm guessing that's why Saturn's been a bit flaky for me. Is the core likely to eventually support it, or do I need to get a newer module?

[mortal mist]

It's not worth investing in new sdram now, this is an early core version, a lot more improvement is needed

Should work with any sdram

Time will tell

[drowsy hull]

but having +1 mister setups is never wrong and for that one you would also require ram which would be of the newest revision

[plush jetty]

Which update script? Hoping to get Saturn fired up tonight…

[burnt matrix]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Downloader_MiSTer/blob/main/downloader.sh

[plush jetty]

Thank you 🙂

[burnt matrix]

That won’t download the Saturn core because it’s in development but that was what I was referring to

[burnt matrix]

The latest Saturn core build can be found here: #unstable-nightlies message

[polar geode]

It doesnt update anything significant, correct?

[mortal mist]

nope

[polar geode]

Rats

I feel entitled something amazing for every mundane update, darnit

[ancient surge]

What do mean Virtual Hydlide is not running at 360FPS 8K??

[polar geode]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WhirlwindOldfashionedBergerpicard-max-1mb.gif

[ancient surge]

Probably tied to the framerate, so expect it to be an unplayable mess.

so basically just the status quo

[mortal mist]

This is the best game that came out for the Saturn, no need for 360fps and 4K, am I right @burnt matrix ?

[ancient surge]

Even with the game being buggy due to the core being incomplete, I am enjoying my time with Saturn Bomberman. Just one of those games I always enjoy playing through.

[tawny forge]

Any recommended good games which are stable with non v2.9 ram?

[hallow fossil]

Is non 2.9 RAM really an issue?

[quaint dove]

Running the latest YC version based on I presume latest release, and none of my cue files have the option to start the game anymore. No matter the region/etc

[tawny forge]

No idea. Just because mine is not v2.9

[hallow fossil]

I would be very surprised if things worked on 2.9 but not 2.5

[tawny forge]

And I wanted to try a game and actually play it

[unkempt kelp]

I haven't seen any difference between V2.5, and V2.9 SDRAM

[tawny forge]

Awesome

[hallow fossil]

dual ram vs single ram seems to be the big difference on what is playable on the core

[unkempt kelp]

But this week's Saturn core builds seems to load fewer games than previous builds.

[tawny forge]

Oh damn

Will wait for it to get more stable then

[unkempt kelp]

Or try the release before last week

[mortal mist]

I see a big difference between 2.5 and 2.9 🤷🏻‍♂️

[unkempt kelp]

Specifically for Saturn or?

I should say I haven’t tested V2.5 on Saturn, and I haven’t sold it in nearly 2 years

[mortal mist]

Yes , saturn

I tested games with 2.4, 2.5 and 2.9

Most games run with 2.9 without any problems

An example of this would be Sega Rally

I'm not saying this has to apply to everyone, but more people here have reported this problem

[naive whale]

2.5 has worked fine for me. I have a 2.5 and a 2.9 build. I’ve noticed no differences

[burnt matrix]

Exactly, Virtual Hydlide is an artistic masterpiece. It doesn’t need improvement because it’s already perfect.

[polar geode]

Please make a new level pack for this wonderful game

[burnt matrix]

No, I cannot. It’s already the perfect recipe. Adding my ingredient would upset the balance of flavors

[polar geode]

Oh, okay.

How about some new content for Strife on DOS then?

[mortal mist]

Good for you 🙂

[naive whale]

“Perfect”

[hot siren]

hmmm update all didnt downlaod the new core, but delete the old...

[inner kayak]

Great to see the new Beavis & Butthead already showing up in memes

[old pasture]

I'm in 2.9 and most things are running fine apart from the game I wanna play the most (SotN),

[old pasture]

Thanks. I only have a single stick. I'm not intending on using a second stick as I use analogue and digital video outputs simultaneously.
I guess I'll wait for now. Some people have been getting it running with Single stick without an issue.

Edit - typo

[ancient surge]

So is there a list documenting the differences between the single RAM and dual RAM builds?

[naive whale]

I picked up another NANO so I could do an exclusive dual ram / living room tv build

[old pasture]

Nice. I just started watching your N64 video

[naive whale]

I hope next week is quiet. Three one offs in a week. My schedule is now basically confetti on the floor lol

[old pasture]

I've only been able to throw out videos, because fortunately I was on annual leave for a few days.

Your N64 video is very well explained

[naive whale]

Annual leave = gets angry in American 🤣

We’re more of a “time off? No! You die at that desk wage loser” kinda society

[old pasture]

Oh wow, my annual leave is quite generous. 28 working days per year

I take, like the whole of August of (pretty much), and then some random stuff throughout the year

[naive whale]

I can’t complain. My last job was unlimited PTO. But that’s the exception, not the rule

Job before that was two weeks (ten days) total

[tough star]

the update_saturn script doesn't work anymore - the Saturn core has been removed from the unstable nightlies JSON file

nothing I can do about that

[old pasture]

Ten days is too little. But I know that's the norm in many countries

[naive whale]

They want us to work then die before we spend too much of our healthcare providers money lol

I need to get my Italian passport and leave. I can get it via family history

[old pasture]

My wife has a sister in Italy, it's nice.

[naive whale]

I think we still have family there. My grandfather left when he was 10 and his sister and brother stayed behind because they were married adults. So if they made it through the war they’d still be there

[tawny forge]

So italy is a good country for old sick people? Please enlighten me

I’m 42 so I might need to migrate soon

[drifting frigate]

There's a pinned list, but it's changing so fast (and there are additional factors like how games are stored) so even that isn't going to tell the whole story. Even the last game you ran can impact what loads next.

[drifting frigate]

My wife's company started unlimited PTO, but everyone is too afraid of it being a hidden metric so now they're all taking fewer days than ever. Which feels very 'by design.'

[naive whale]

Oh I’m sure

I took every Friday off for six months. Nobody cared

[light magnet]

Eh, people care, but won't say it overtly. My supervisor used to take one day off every two weeks, minimum, and that frustrated people.

[drifting frigate]

I loved it when my manager took time off. I actually got work done instead of doing a stream of interrupting meetings. But I'm sure HIS bosses hated it.

But the burndown was never looked at holistically. Just as a weekly metric to demoralize the team. If they looked, they'd see we always had more closed stories those weeks.

[naive whale]

I was head of the department and also the entire department so 😂

[polar geode]

Ah, metrics. The inaccurate bane on every employee's existence. Game the system or get screwed by it.

[light magnet]

Meaning they couldn't say anything

My manager didn't care that my supervisor took those days off, because he just had me, the $15/hr associate, do his job, which meant handling tens of thousands of dollars of company money. Bleck.

So, uh, how's that Saturn core alpha coming along?

[polar geode]

Dracula X works. Go play

[light magnet]

Does the enhanced translation work?

[polar geode]

Sure does

And I would recommend using that one for the QOL changes

[light magnet]

By the way, since your username suggests you're a huge fan, what are some good underrated titles in the series?

[polar geode]

Well first and foremost

Akumajo Dracula X68000 is my favorite entry in the entire series

I think the MSX2 Akumajo Dracula is very interesting and fun, as well

Portrait of Ruin gets ragged on a lot by plebs, but it's extremely good

Circle of the Moon is also very solid

[light magnet]

I really think Belmont's Revenge gets overlooked, as do a lot of handheld titles for other series.

[polar geode]

Belmonts Revenge is a pretty good game

Legends isnt as bad as people say either

[burnt matrix]

I just realized that thanks to Bluetooth I can I can finally use the best controller for the Saturn!

6 buttons, superior d-pad, bigger shoulder buttons, and an analog stick all in one. It’s like it was custom built for the Saturn.

[drowsy hull]

I always valued the n64 d-pad as being borderline trash

[burnt matrix]

I’m embarrassed for Sega. Imagine coming up with a last-Gen controller and Nintendo makes a better Saturn controller for their own system.

wow

[drowsy hull]

and yes, I am aware that this take is so hot, even sentient6 would burn herself

[pearl harbor]

N64 controller d-pad is actually extremely good.

It's actually my preferred way to play Tetris on my Switch because the Pro Controller's d-pad is genuine trash.

[burnt matrix]

it’s my preferred way to Saturn games that’s for sure. Amazing for Street Fighter Alpha 2.

[sudden tusk]

Wow this is actually kinda disturbing …

It pops up if you type “Nintendo rules “

[polar geode]

aw its gone

[sudden tusk]

Too crazy

[sudden tusk]

Just search “Nintendo rules”

[pearl harbor]

Too Advanturous even for Tacos.

[sudden tusk]

Indeed ..

I am old

I’m gonna go play some haunted castle ..

[polar geode]

WTF is an advanture. Cant you spell? JFC!

[sudden tusk]

Nahhh.. can’t speel

[burnt matrix]

Yeah if your goal was to shut me up and scare me away, then you certainly did it lmao

[sudden tusk]

?

[polar geode]

あなたは私の家に恥をもたらします

[burnt matrix]

That gif, I was like “NOPE NOPE NOPE” and left the thread lolol

[sudden tusk]

Yeah I removed it .. sorry

[burnt matrix]

Nah it’s all good, now you know how to always win against me

[sudden tusk]

All I did was type “Nintendo rules”

Too cheap ! I don’t use such tactics

[polar geode]

Now type "Nintendo blows" and turn off the child filter

[sudden tusk]

Bathead was into it

[polar geode]

Baghdad, jesus. That was unintentionally brilliant

[sudden tusk]

Or was it?

[polar geode]

goddamnbaghdad

[sudden tusk]

lol change your pro pic to sadam

[old pasture]

Haha, the best type of department 😂

[old pasture]

I love CotM, but have tried liking PoR, but can never get into it, beyond the first couple of hours.

[polar geode]

Its stupid because.. at the time on all the Castlevania forums and such the discourse was "we need more areas outside the castle" and other such requests. Konami does this, people complain about the paintings ><

[old pasture]

My favourites are the two sorrow games

[polar geode]

I'll play DoS, with the hack that disables the glyphs

[old pasture]

Yeah, I hate the glyths

I dealt with them first time around

But welcomed the hack that got rid of it.

There are so many good DoS hacks, and more keep coming

The recent one with mario and Luigi looks particularly good

https://youtu.be/y8JYHrpgbzg

[old pasture]

Contra OoE is real good too

For novelty value of course

[polar geode]

First @burnt matrix puts Green Zone in SOTN, and now this.

[old pasture]

I'm looking forward to that

But I get it, it's not your thing

[polar geode]

Lol, its fine.

The workmanship is admirable.

[old pasture]

I also enjoy the Streets of Rage 2 hacks, especially the Street Fighter ones

Going back to Castlevania, if I had to recommend one hack, I think it'll be one called Revenge of the Findicicle for HoD

https://youtu.be/dMZuglThLDE

This one is top notch, great work

I'll stop about the hacks now lol

[polar geode]

Ah HoD, furniture collecting was oddly fun

I was wondering when someone would add 16 bit Simon into HoD

Haunted Castle sprite, oh lawd

I hope it has the X68000 Simon sprite, thats what I always wanted rather than NES Simon

[paper yarrow]

Hey just tested the Saturn core on my MiSTer with Sotn 😄 just wanted to say big thanks for the job so far! The progress is simply awesome, really appreciate that

[subtle seal]

Actually, the saturn core makes the game run ridiculously fast compared to hardware. Source - me (world record holder of both emulator and original hardware Any % Virtual Hydlide, founder of Zophar's Domain). 😉

[warped cliff]

Hmm.. I don't have dual ram so I can't really test it on my end. would you mind giving the single ram a try?

@subtle seal

[subtle seal]

yeah, sec

[quaint dove]

So... is Virtual Hydlide any good or is it 100% pure meme jank? Likes does it have some weird redeeming features?

Cause I've grown fond of some pretty awful games in the past.

[warped cliff]

@quaint dove well, zophar has been speedrunning it for a long time.. probably because the music is good 😄

[subtle seal]

i love the randomness of the worlds, i think the soundtrack's not bad, and the game is wonky as hell but it's got a charm, despite graphics that look poopy and poor framerates everywhere

@warped cliff single has the same problem

goes to cd menu but doesn't recognize it as a game disc, only as audio

and btw none of the tracks play anything, all silence

this didn't happen on the december build, games loaded.

is there some super secret setting i have to enable/disable on this new build to make any games work? heh

see the problem? doesn't see it as a game disc.

or any of the games i load now.

[quaint dove]

I get the same thing.

[subtle seal]

yeah, there's a problem with the core.

[warped cliff]

do you have the region set right?

[quaint dove]

It recognizes the tracks, but doesn't let me boot. I toggled through whole bunches of regions.

[subtle seal]

tried japan, usa, europe on dual

[quaint dove]

Maybe we're missing a BIOS file.

[subtle seal]

i'll try them all again on single, sec.

[quaint dove]

I'm on single and had that issue. @subtle seal

[subtle seal]

nope, bios is the same one i've been using since last year

and it wouldn't have a disc drive menu at all if it was missing bios - that's part of the bios.

nope, tried usa, europe, japan, asia, all the same.

[warped cliff]

is it the 4/10 build or 4/15?

[subtle seal]

4/15

[quaint dove]

What format are your files? Mine are still .cue .bin, in /media/usb0/games/Saturn/A-F/gamename/

and my bios is /media/usb0/games/Saturn/boot.rom

[warped cliff]

hmm... perhaps it might be worth giving the 4/10 one a try, because when that dropped, people were all over it, and no one complained

[subtle seal]

theyre .bin./.cue - all worked on the december version of this core.

@warped cliff - have you tried either yet 🙂

[warped cliff]

haha nope 🤣🤣🤣

[quaint dove]

I'm using the core that got delivered via the YC updater

[subtle seal]

there ya go. 🙂 love ya, haha...

[warped cliff]

I'm a tax man, kinda busy 😛

[quaint dove]

So mine is SaturnYCBeta_20230413.rbf

and has the issues Zophar is seeing.

[hot siren]

You need the newset unstable MiSTer main

[subtle seal]

and there it is

[hot siren]

had the same issue until I updated

[subtle seal]

can you link me that?

and tell me which dir it goes in

[hot siren]

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Main_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/MiSTer_unstable_20230413_21c1d8
This goes into to root of the SD card

rename it to "MiSTer", no extension.
make a packup of the old file, jsut in case

[subtle seal]

that worked. thanks @hot siren !

[paper yarrow]

so you are the one responsible for me spending most of my time on the internet when i first entered it 25 years ago, man i am getting old. 😄 But i salute you sir, for the innumerable soundtracks i discovered on your site (besides the other content )

[tall radish]

Is there already a SNAC version of the latest core update? I only have the SNAC version from the last november.

[tawny forge]

Does the core play nice with multi bin files?

[drowsy hull]

I think it supports only muti bin right now

[ancient surge]

As long as you have all the files, a SEGA Saturn bios, and the correct region set in the settings, it should boot.

Though keep in mind due to the core still being a work-in-progress, some games won't boot regardless.

[tawny forge]

Zipped CD images with MiSTer is actually a very bad idea

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

Support for save s32x

[thorn pagoda]

i think at some point a change was made so mister wont even try zipped cd images anymore

[wooden dew]

Oh hell yeah

[sudden tusk]

Finally I can start defeating all nba teams in jam

Hopefully this also means Saturn saves are around the corner

[ancient surge]

I hope, because it would give me an excuse to play the much longer games like Sakura Wars and Shining Force III.

[waxen vortex]

Is the Saturn Compatibility sheet still being maintained like we did for the PSX Core?

I am updating it anyway as things have changed somewhat 🙂

There are more games which work.

At the moment PAL games will run weirdly due to the lack of a 50hz Mode within the Core. Pretty sure that will get added at a later time.

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately, the problem is that people have different results when testing

[waxen vortex]

Ah I see. I will update as I am seeing things 🙂 I hope you trust me from my PSX Testing Days ;0

[mortal mist]

Sure i trust You 🍻

Everytime

[hot siren]

whait what?
you mean "multi bin converted so dingle bin"
"Multi bin compressed to a zip file"
or
"actual CHD support"?

[hot siren]

Not being able to save is literally the only thing stopping me from playing Sakura wars,,like right now so here's hoping.

[sudden tusk]

I wanna play through dragon force II mostly and PD SAGA

Not to mention unlocking everything in Sonic R

[ancient surge]

I want to break the game with Super Sonic dammit!

[polar geode]

The game is broken on boot my friend

[sudden tusk]

Don’t be a hater , although Sonic R is not a great game it is peak kusoge

And that soundtrack ./

[polar geode]

Oh, I didnt say I didnt like it.

I just said it's busted.

[sudden tusk]

Definitely

Busted lol

[pearl harbor]

Busted as in it busted past the barrier of just being hip or cool into the realm of being both hip and cool!

[wooden dew]

I tried Demons of Asteborg and the save data persisted across reboots. So it works with Mega Drive games too.

[mortal mist]

great , thanks for the info 🙂

[dense kernel]

That is a strange Sega Saturn Controller 😅

[polar geode]

Thats a really weird looking controller.. going to test it out?

[hot siren]

not the weirdest controller I've seen, still weird though

[dense kernel]

Yeah, was searching for my CD32 controller and then found this one

Both fit the weird label though 😅

This will have to do... 🙈

First cleaning it up a bit

[hot siren]

4 button sega shaped controller.
That is what I call weird

(yes it is for the CD32, but the shape ... "evokes" expectations" 😉 )

[dense kernel]

Even have a 4 button shaped Sega Genesis controller 😅

[hot siren]

Some people just want to watch the world burn

[cunning citrus]

Jam uses eprom to save iirc.

[ivory kindle]

new core update running great here. dual ram, I have a 128M 2.9 and an ancient hot-wired 32M in the 2nd side.

I can finally play Batman Forever as god intended

[dense kernel]

I can't get it to run. Old core runs perfect new core loads into the Saturn Menu and doesn't start the game. Changed BIOS, changed region all the same. 🙈 Was waiting for someone else with the same question. 😅

[mortal mist]

You need unstable main

[polar geode]

Does it just sit in the BIOS and not change the icon to start the game? If so, probably a MiSTer main file issue

[dense kernel]

Understood. Thanks 😊

Will replace the main tomorrow.

Think that is the issue

[wooden dew]

Are there any other games with bugs in the Genesis core that are fixed in 32x?

[verbal topaz]

When will unstable main become stable enough to become stable main?

[turbid crescent]

Probably still under validation. Just do a backup of the old one to be on the safe side and update it.

[naive whale]

Well that looks ergonomic lol

[old pasture]

Combine that with a power glove and you'll be unstoppable

[naive whale]

A true pro gamer

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/powerglove-gif-7324368

[sudden tusk]

Lukas Barton the god

[blazing lance]

It's amazing Sega wasn't just shut down the day this game was released

[mortal mist]

because it's a very good game

[blazing lance]

I actually did have fun playing it, it just cracked me up. That transition to early 3D was rooooough.

[silk mauve]

At the time, it was not considered as rough as we see it today. It was a novelty!

[drifting frigate]

"I wonder what he's up to these daOHGODNO!"

[polar geode]

Ooof yeah

I try not to remember that x.x

[sudden tusk]

What he do ?

[polar geode]

I dont want to talk about it 😦

Dont look him up if you value your childhood

[sudden tusk]

Advice heeded

[tawny forge]

Ok, Sega Rally just gives me a white screen after sega logo

Will wait for another version of the core

[ivory kindle]

single or dual?

[waxen vortex]

Works fine for me.

[mortal mist]

yeah , works for some 🙂

But many people report the same problem with a white screen.

[ivory kindle]

if I could get my f'n bluetooth to work I would test it here

[tawny forge]

Single. Everything is updated, including main with latest unstable.

[ivory kindle]

mine is white screen with no cartridge

and works with cartridge 4m dram

[tawny forge]

Hmmm.. Will try with cartridge inserted. There's an option for that in the core, I assume

[ivory kindle]

there is, yes

let me get a pic

[mortal mist]

For me it works ok with single and dual, no cartridge

[ivory kindle]

let me try again with no cart

ok ya, on that try it did work with no cart selected

[mortal mist]

I generally only do short tests, I will play longer when core is more stable 🙂

[ivory kindle]

i played a bit yesterday and it's very stable

[mortal mist]

I only finished Guardian Heroes

my fav game

[ivory kindle]

opening the menu can introduce static until you reset a game i've noticed in a few games

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately it can crash at any time , there is a problem with music , sound etc.

some games are entirely playable

the time will come to play longer 🙂

[polar geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1adLXFGntbg

Sonic trying to sell me a car with that voice wtf

[ivory kindle]

lol that is awful

[polar geode]

And I thought the new games were meme worthy

[sudden tusk]

Chad sonic

[ancient surge]

"Hi my name is Sonic!"

[polar geode]

"You may have seen me in such games as "Sonic Crackers"

[sudden tusk]

You may know me from my hit video game sonic jam

[rough topaz]

Quick question about needing the unstable main… If I run update all, will it replace unstable main (that I drag/drop) with the current stable main? I’m the kind of guy to run updates often so I don’t want to overwrite something I need. I am also wondering if the unstable main that I drag and drop will eventually be replaced by the next stable main with update all?

[mortal mist]

will not overwrite your main

As I remember correctly if main by update all will be newer (contains all the fixes) than you currently have then it will download the new one.

[rough topaz]

Sounds good. Thanks!

[waxen vortex]

You may remember me from such classics as Sonic Triple Trouble and Sonic Typing

[twilit cobalt]

Hey everyone, relatively fresh to the MiSTer and especially new to the Saturn. Thought I'd try it out but I'm stuck on the Saturn "Home Menu" and can't get any game to run - no idea how to boot anything out of this screen. Rom is loaded, it's in the .cue format if that makes any difference - boot.rom is in place. What stuff should I check to see what I'm doing wrong?

[mortal mist]

You need unstable mister main

#unstable-nightlies message

Download and rename to Mister

[twilit cobalt]

Thanks, just read through this thread a little and tried again with a cold reboot of this nightly build - MiSTer_unstable_20230413_21c1d8 - now my MiSTer won't boot anymore though

[mortal mist]

Rename to MiSTer

If you renamed it and it still doesn't work copy this file manually (If you are copying over the network )

[tawny forge]

Tried with cart and same thing. White screen. I think I will just sit and wait for a more stable version. But thanks! 👍

[twilit cobalt]

Which file, you mean the nightly build? Doesn't give me anything, just a black screen so far - even tried with the one before, no chance so far

I copy over network

[mortal mist]

Try manually , change name to Mister

[twilit cobalt]

you mean through SD card?

[zinc vine]

put sd card to pc

[mortal mist]

Yes

I had a problem with this for example through Filezilla

[twilit cobalt]

That's the program I used 😄

[mortal mist]

WinSCP is good

[twilit cobalt]

Tried again with WinSCP and that worked - thanks, FileZilla will be uninstalled. Would have never gotten to that solution by myself 🙂

[tiny flare]

IIRC you need to make sure FileZilla is set to binary mode, otherwise it gets confused and does funny text encoding stuff to your files

Or yeah just use a different program lol

[drifting frigate]

I use FZ all the time, and yeah...just make sure binary is always used. But I'm gonna try out WinSCP.

[burnt matrix]

WinSCP is glorious, make sure the data setting is on

[drifting frigate]

I like how clean it looks for sure.

And I'm a little unsure of the ownership/situation with Filezilla now. So I'd rather use this anyway.

Them getting bought by a for-profit kinda goes against their initial charter....a lot.

[mortal mist]

Yeah , i just prefer winscp

[drifting frigate]

I like that you can use a single client for scp/ftp and more. So far I'm down.

Thanks @mortal mist and @burnt matrix!

[tawny forge]

scp FTW

[sudden tusk]

Almost done beating final fight revenge with the entire cast

[tidal raptor]

wonder if that game will ever see a re-release

[naive whale]

Self flagellation at its finest

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chapelle-cant-stop-wont-stop-dance-gif-10008705

[naive whale]

I actually like it. For the jank. It’s a fun time

Anything with Haggar can’t be bad

[sudden tusk]

Bro i just had a blast playing as Eddie E ..

Game is bonkers!!

Got guardian heroes loading up by messing around with the debug

[burnt matrix]

I wish the homebrew community would take the Sonic Jam 3D world engine and make new levels

Would love to play a Sonic game in that style

[frail token]

I love Sonic Jam on my bread

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-futurama-fry-take-my-money-money-gif-15195954

Sonic jam jam!

[frail token]

I tried making an AI picture of it but it was too gross

[pearl harbor]

And I wear Sonic Jammy jams to bed!

I tried.

[sudden tusk]

“ Sonic jam Jammys!” Yw

[subtle tusk]

Sonic Jam Jam would do Sonic as much justice as Sonic Jam for the Game.com

[naive whale]

Please....everyone knows Sonic Preserves is the best title

[dense kernel]

So When I activate the MiSTer Unstable I get a black screen. But I can access with FTP. When I chance the original file back the screen is back. Does some experience the same issue?

[naive whale]

No. More details? HDMI or analog? Screen res/type/etc

sounds like its not syncing / pulling a signal

if you could also put your INI file here some of us could take a peek

I will be sitting at my desk for the next half hour or so

[drifting frigate]

"I've got a need. A need FOR SEEDS!"

[naive whale]

take the pluralization out and you have a whole diff ball game there

😆

[hollow sierra]

I am guessing MiSTer Unstable file got corrupted.
Assuming you loaded the file via FTP: Rename the old MiSTer file MiSTer.old before transferring the new Unstable one. Then wait 30 seconds or so before rebooting. Computers don’t like it when a file they are using gets deleted/replaced while it is still being used.

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[sudden tusk]

Gonna beat it with rolento today!

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-alpha-rolento-gif-18278145

[mortal mist]

ahh final fight revenge

[drifting frigate]

I thought it was going to be terrible. I actually didn't hate it. It's so cheesy it has a certain kind of arrogant charm about it.

[sudden tusk]

Hell yeah!

[sudden tusk]

I’m just amazed capcom released it .. I love it .. the end boss is amazing

[polar geode]

Wasnt it developed in the US?

[drifting frigate]

Haggar chomping a rectangular stogie after his match was so silly. I enjoyed my time with it. It also doesn't play too bad. I expected much worse.

[sudden tusk]

Edie E throwing cuffs on fools after defeating them with a super is better than any Mk fatality ever

[polar geode]

https://www.fightersgeneration.com/nf9/char/edi-finalfightrevenge-super-on-haggar.gif

[sudden tusk]

And this

[drifting frigate]

From the files of Police Squad.

[old pasture]

I need to play this some more, hopefully over the weekend

[sudden tusk]

Worth a look for the silliness

[old pasture]

That is awesome

Definitely, I love silliness

[polar geode]

Hey look whatever gets people talking about Poison more

https://media.tenor.com/Gqp4RaPrgwUAAAAC/final-fight-revenge.gif

[sudden tusk]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133671036591?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1tFvEkdYVSaikhSen4brgIQ82&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=133671036591&targetid=1587262742577&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9018885&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=pla-1587262742577&abcId=9307911&merchantid=262594118&gbraid=0AAAAAD_QDh9jsfhpX7m1RFZn7XzgkJnM9&gclid=CjwKCAjwov6hBhBsEiwAvrvN6FCTDhungpmAJh-MdLt938241aeCMU65xGsmnRHwYrqKLluv6Hp2yRoCBkEQAvD_BwE

WHY!!

[polar geode]

Speculation/collectards

[sudden tusk]

This came out the same year soul calibur did .. lol

[tidal raptor]

super late and obscure capcom saturn game

yeah, it's gonna be pricey lol

the alpha 3/zero 3 port is also up there

although gotta say, how do you release a fighting game in 99 with no practice mode

how am I supposed to learn my optimized janky combos Capcom?

[sudden tusk]

Omg the final boss doing the thriller dance during the end credits is priceless , also I noticed Jon st John is credited as a voice actor

Duke Nukem himself

[dense kernel]

This was the Solution. How can FileZilla turn bad on me.. 😦

[still maple]

poison is my waifu, NOT BILLY

[polar geode]

BIMMY*

[old pasture]

Damn

[sudden tusk]

Right !

[polar geode]

Sometimes kusoge is expensive.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314114305537?hash=item4922abee01:g:JBwAAOSws5NjAEAM&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4Kf0OFiLUZX0nng1RlKe%2FF3Wgslkn9QWJhY8DP3bFeYiTzEdK5lIdcmnULK8%2B4OqSWa9fP01ew55wc9tlEeNMS6SpHPm12JuVpOiIThiSLLRrDYH7C1QeGizNm%2BTo5ngqvnChLbi%2BPXyopt67GtCvUpVia8gqZFSehCgrW%2BqXtEsu2aphgsptV7rnU7EOa%2BngsrqqzbzcT%2BWIn9HTiSfSORmz7Zcldw%2BMWE094b3x2opNlSUd10COSKjQkuXDGtf5PEgngXJkuAYYVzfAX%2BgwVpB1GYtGTxt%2FMo7YG%2B0LyIg|tkp%3ABFBMzPvduPNh

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/chappell-good-gawd-gif-7920004

[errant sand]

can do funny stuff with binary vs ascii files too. winscp ftw

[drifting frigate]

Never had a single issue, however I definitely like WinSCP better so it's now driving for me!

[blazing lance]

Space Jam has some weird issue where when you first get into a game it just plays every sound clip in order.

Unrelated to what you're actually doing

[grizzled quest]

That issue exists on the MODE as well, interestingly enough.

[burnt matrix]

That sounds like a sign to not play Space Jam.

Segeezus works in mysterious ways….

[blazing lance]

It's so bad it's good

[burnt matrix]

Haha is it really? I never played it but I unironically enjoyed the movie as a kid.

[blazing lance]

It's got some mini games on top of just playing basketball, but it's basically NBA Jam/other similar style basketball with the characters

The mini games are super dumb

The very first one is getting Michael Jordan's basketball shoes and you just navigate one of the toons in a single room

[sudden tusk]

That do sound fun! Is there a psx port ?

Nope , used to work on the last build

Maybe try shin shinobi den ?

[naive whale]

thanks to @drifting frigate today for some help with Saturn testing vid

[old pasture]

Andy is a legend. Always helping

[sudden tusk]

Someday I’ll contribute!

[naive whale]

send tacos

thats how you can help

[sudden tusk]

You couldn’t handle my tacos bro …

[naive whale]

top ten lists of jokes to be made

number 10 : things your mom has never said to me

number 9: I heard you've been giving everyone that taco

Number 8: Ive never met a taco I wouldnt eat

Number 7: it burns when I eat it...why???

[sudden tusk]

Lol

[naive whale]

Number 6: I'll split that taco like dynamite splits rocks

ok im gonna stop...they are gonna start getting real inappropriate lolol

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-happy420-marijuana-cute-gif-16954043

[naive whale]

I am still hoping to be alive on 2069 personally

[sudden tusk]

Big announcement for SFVI today featuring lil Wayne !

[naive whale]

remind me: April 20th, 2069

[sudden tusk]

You’ll probably be a robot but ok

https://tenor.com/view/lil-wayne-weezy-deal-with-it-gif-5179071

[naive whale]

Id be 85

def not gonna make it

and I probably dont even want to lol

[sudden tusk]

Who knows man ..

[kindred sundial]

Anyone test Nights on the new build yet? Do we have sound?

[shadow merlin]

Just booted it up and it has sound (dualram)

if you set 3d pad as the input you can even use analogue sticks. Don't know when that got added but I'm only just now noticing it 😅

[ancient surge]

It has sound on the dual ram build, but it's still glitchy.

Also has that lack of lighting(?) issue that causes it to look abnormally flat.

[drifting frigate]

Never a problem! I like helping.

[old pasture]

We have Taco Bells here in the UK. I tried it once and it wasn't too nice

Within a certain Street Fighter circle, there is a running joke that I chose Taco bell over KFC, and it always comes up.
The UK Super Turbo players love fried chicken, especially KFC.

I get trolled with Taco's

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/modest-too-modest-you-are-too-modest-gif-12345313

[sudden tusk]

I never purchase tacos because no entities on earth tacos compare to mine

[drowsy hull]

now stomp on it

[burnt matrix]

Imagine playing RPGs without transparencies

couldn’t be me

So I borrowed that game from a friend over 10 years ago

Still haven’t played it LOL

You wound me

[polar geode]

Wha happun

[stoic umbra]

RIP.
Sad day

[blazing lance]

Maybe MiSTer was a mistake

[sudden tusk]

Oh snap I wanna play this

[quaint dove]

I PAID FULL RETAIL FOR THAT GAME DESPITE OWNING VF2

what was wrong with me

Saturn owner starved for games

VF kids is literally VF2 with different models and sounds. Combos are kinda iffy because their giant heads get in the way.

[ancient surge]

I like how it's called Virtua Fighter Kids, but they're not even kids.

[quaint dove]

Virtua Fighter Hydrocephalus just doesn’t roll off the tongue

Endings were cute though. https://youtu.be/unBHas4Z3HA

[lavish wadi]

I did as well 🤓

[quaint dove]

We were fools with money

[blazing lance]

hope that PSX core 480p hack gets an equiv on Saturn core

the interlacing is rough

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-scammed-ripped-off-robbed-fraud-scam-gif-25071505

[naive whale]

It can be a bit ugly. Fighting Vipers / Last Bronx id say are the worst offenders

[blazing lance]

@shell cedar I can't play games w/o it on PSX core on my monitor, it is big visual boost to me

Also no one is asking but the Asus ProArt monitor is beautiful

You can get them for ~150 USD refurbed on Amazon, 360 rotating tate stand, amazing colors for non-OLED, Adaptive Sync

16:10 24in

Which ones, maybe I need to experiment

Not sure what game that is but if I can figure out I'll see what it does on mine. Haven't seen anything like that

[burnt matrix]

Tobal 1, Bloody Roar 2, and Formula 1 (Psygnosis)

[blazing lance]

I did not have a PS1 growing up so most of the library is equally bizarre as the Saturn to me 😂

I was primarily PC gaming by then

[burnt matrix]

To be fair, I’m really well versed on the PS1 library but I even had to do some sleuthing to figure out the F1 game lol

[prisma wraith]

https://www.retrorgb.com/saturn-ys-fully-playable-in-english-thanks-to-fan-effort.html

anyone tried this yet on the saturn core? was thinking about recording a first video for the core soon and this one would be great

[ancient surge]

Last time I checked, the Falcom Classics releases all suffered from sound issues.

[prisma wraith]

Hmm.. whats are some games that don't have bad sound issues currently?

[sudden tusk]

Sound issues are mitigated in a lot of games by disabling the second option for sound in the debug menu

But some games sound great without disabling anything .. good examples are final fight revenge and sf zero 3

https://youtu.be/oGzK8-Iyg8M

[prisma wraith]

Thanks!

[naive whale]

Sexy Parodius has as close to "perfect sound" as Ive found on the new core build

[sacred goblet]

This is normal if i dont have the sound during the saturn bios?

[ancient surge]

I double checked Falcom Classics again, and yup same sound issues.

It's one of the weirder examples I can think of, because at first everything is normal, but then the sound slowly breaks the more you play. Normally with glitchy sounds, it's immediately apparent something is wrong.

[sudden tusk]

Try messing around with the debug menu

[prisma wraith]

Any other Saturn fans here watched the anime "Uncle from Another World"? Just started watching tonight and it's pretty zany so far, with a lot of Saturn references 🙂

[polar geode]

Yeah, loved the part where he tried the golden axe jump attack technique on a group of monsters

[tawny forge]

Is saturn compatibility improved with the new just released main?

[tawny forge]

It loos like no

Just a release. No new stuff since last unstable main

[fallow jewel]

It may be a little early to answer this question since the new version has only been available for a few minutes 🙂

[tawny forge]

Checked github history. No new stuff for main

[fallow jewel]

The final is a promotion of the unstable version, so it is normal

[wanton elk]

Does update_all grab the latest stable version if you use an unstable build?

[fallow jewel]

Who's winning the Console War ? Is it SEGA ?

[blazing lance]

Came here to ask same question

[burnt matrix]

@wanton elk / @blazing lance Nope, neither does the main Downloader script (which update_all uses)

[burnt matrix]

#news message

Main got updated, that means a Saturn update is coming soon!

🙌🙌

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-golly-butters-south-park-oh-gee-oh-boy-gif-21989887

Sega 32X got some sort of saving feature implemented … hoping that somehow means we are getting a save feature for Saturn !

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/intense-hype-intensifies-intensifies-hype-toad-gif-6037351

[tawny forge]

Nah

[sudden tusk]

Nay sayer!

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-dunham-silence-i-kill-you-skeleton-gif-11563568

[burnt matrix]

NON-BELIEVER, cast him out!!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/unbeliever-life-of-brian-gif-22638310

[burnt matrix]

Only those pure of heart and Sega of mind can receive the blessing of the SATURN CORE

[sudden tusk]

Amen

Brother

https://tenor.com/view/les-inconnu-skippy-made-in-gif-14971350

The cult of Saturn.

[burnt matrix]

Amen, Brother Taco. Keeper of the Faith, and steward of the Sonic. You lead us in dark times but your unwavering devotion is a beacon for us all.

[sudden tusk]

Peace be unto you , glory to the sonic spirit .:

Well I reached my quota for blasphemy for the month Better chill before god gives me the boils

[sudden tusk]

“Updated Saturn support “.. wonder what that means

Well, gonna update all real quick and find out

[vagrant cloud]

Thats mean you dont need use unstable mister anymore, it now support by this update

[polar geode]

@burnt matrix @sudden tusk

The gods hate both of you, stop blaspheming.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/droopy-gif-9758451

[tall radish]

Means that xou dont need the unstable main mister anymore.

[sudden tusk]

I was hoping for more!!

[pearl harbor]

I asked this same question on the help thread recently, and was given the exact opposite answer.

[burnt matrix]

Maybe I’m wrong lol

I swear though I’ve grabbed the latest unstable update_all has never replaced it for me

[alpine slate]

Hi folks do the saturn roms still need to be bin and cue? since the update they just read as music files now when trying to load ?

[mortal mist]

Yes, bin + cue

[alpine slate]

Any idea why they are not reading kuba?

[mortal mist]

You must have an up-to-date mister main and the latest core

[alpine slate]

Is todays update for the mister ok?

[mortal mist]

Yes

[alpine slate]

thanks

[wise brook]

I just received the 6th volume. it's delightful as an anime and a manga

[tall radish]

Does anyone know where i can reach blue212?
https://github.com/blue212

[mortal mist]

here @inner token

[visual grove]

It’s a great show, very funny stuff and all the SEGA references are awesome. Gets a little pervy/porny in a mostly satirical way but I wish they’d toned it down a bit since it’s my only ding against it. But that’s anime it’s hard to find stuff that isn’t at least a little pervy

[tall radish]

Good morning everyone. I can’t gets to works sega Saturn on my mister .. I can’t find link for unstable mister..

[hallow fossil]

Just run the update script so you have the latest Main, and the latest unstable Saturn build is here:
#unstable-nightlies message

[inner token]

hi, what did you need?

[tall radish]

I sent you a pm

[vernal sun]

Anyone tested the 8bitdo mod kit for the Saturn controllers? Curious what the lag is like with them

[prisma wraith]

yeah i felt the same way. it just feels shoe-horned in like a necessity for the product, like most anime

entertaining first season for the anime though, i'll probably watch the follow-up

[visual grove]

Same

[untold lintel]

https://twitter.com/GuileWinQuote/status/1651025108591427584

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ (@GuileWinQuote)

Finally went through the Saturn owner rite of passage and played 10 player Bomberman

Twitter · Apr 26, 2023, 12:47 AM

[sudden tusk]

Saturn hype is dying down ..

N64 hype took over

[verbal pollen]

nah I just got saturn core today

hype af

[sudden tusk]

Hell yeah welcome to the next level

[verbal pollen]

its so funny how bad UMK3 is vs MKT

[sudden tusk]

What you need is final fight revenge

[verbal pollen]

imma get errything

[sudden tusk]

Or panzer dragoon II

[verbal pollen]

then of course I'll end up buying a saturn controller

friggin money pit mister

[sudden tusk]

If the sound is scratchy in a game open up the debug menu and disable the second option for sound ..

It’s near the bottom of the list

[verbal pollen]

ah good to know

😄

[sudden tusk]

Check out some nba jam TE

Get yo game on!

[verbal pollen]

hell yeah

it bothers me that this torrent doesn't have everything in the IA collection I got the torrent from

[sudden tusk]

You gotta hit the archive !

[tidal raptor]

that's a common issue when people upload files afterwards

[sudden tusk]

Re dump

[verbal pollen]

Gotta love it

[lusty rapids]

I use the ia cli and some magics to fetch everything from the archive. Large collections always seem to have a busted torrent

also I don't think Saturn supports CHD yet? So you might end up needing to unchd those

[verbal pollen]

Oof

[lusty rapids]

pretty sure there's bin/cue collections out there if you want to start again

[verbal pollen]

Yeah I was just trying to save space hehe

[lusty rapids]

chd at this point in the saturn game would be weird. The core as it is right now has shown that even storage speed (sdcard/usb vs cifs over ethernet) can impact compatibility

[verbal pollen]

ah

[untold lintel]

You crazy

[verbal pollen]

I meant on the saturn

the loading is so much worse

[quaint dove]

UMK3 is forgettable to me while MKT is delightful jank

[warped cliff]

The N64 version is the best if you're embracing the jank

[untold lintel]

it's also the most mechanically unique which is why people play it over the other ports

[sudden tusk]

CHD = CHODE

CHOAD FILES

[untold lintel]

I play UMK3 on arcade : )

64 trilogy has no recovery on teleports and a bunch of missing animation frames that make moves recover faster, so it plays a lot different

the other trilogy games don't really get played because they're just kind of bad UMK3

but 64 is it's own weird beast, it also has the 3v3 mode

Only a little

[verbal pollen]

CHODE

[sudden tusk]

Lol my bad .. hadn’t had my coffee yet

WHATS UP YOU SEGA CHODES!

[verbal pollen]

xD

[burnt matrix]

Imagine playing Mortal Kombat when you could be playing Final Fight Revenge

couldn’t be me

[dusk sonnet]

I use this controller, is awesome and my standard controller, no lag

[rancid adder]

I heard that the unstable mister main build is no longer needed for the Saturn core to work. Is that correct?