Sega Saturn

[polar geode]

ooh, arcade accurate with zoom mode, this will be a fun afternoon

[ripe valley]

#1046941029296779344 message @polar geode

[sudden tusk]

Im up and running

[naive whale]

Well you can’t run sitting down

[sudden tusk]

Happy to report all japan pro wrestling featuring virtua loads up now

[sudden tusk]

No time for jokes! New build broh!!

Jk always time for jokes

[naive whale]

It’s always time for jokes

[sudden tusk]

Sound is rough af though

[naive whale]

Added that to my list @sudden tusk if you find more new stuff lmk. I’m gonna do a bit capturing session tomorrow before I go pick up my new PVM

[ripe valley]

Must be the SCSP DSP doing problems on the sound most of the time (rough/scratchy sounds).

[sharp dove]

Gokujyo Parodius boots on Deluxe Pack now, nice-

However Parodius DA still has the rendering problem for me (black screen despite there being sound. Also occasionally it flashes visual output, but yeah)

[sudden tusk]

Sounds good !

[undone oyster]

did anyone have any issues getting SOTN in game with Maria? it just hits a black screen for me

[sudden tusk]

Astra super stars backgrounds have been fixed

And dang is it a fun game

[undone oyster]

also I still can't get past initial loading screen on shining the holy ark

[sudden tusk]

Dang ..

That’s a bummer .. was hoping that one would work

[sudden tusk]

What region?

[undone oyster]

USA

[sudden tusk]

Let’s see if the glitches in Astal are fixed

[warped cliff]

anyone tried umk3? does it still have visual artifacts?

[polar geode]

I was thinking of trying out Galaxy Fight for its AST but it's kinda poverty

[undone oyster]

Ohhh SOTN Maria Mode worked this time

[polar geode]

The superior playable elder Maria

[naive whale]

Worked fine for me

[polar geode]

I love that she summons a blue salamander dragon from... Salamander

[naive whale]

First try

[ripe valley]

Not fixed for me.

[undone oyster]

Ohhh it crashed when I pressed Start...

[sudden tusk]

Yep confirmed

[polar geode]

I have single SDRAM, is there there anything in particular Im going to miss out on compatibility wise?

[sudden tusk]

Bummer!!

[ripe valley]

Too bad, Salamander 2 doesn't boot on Salamander Deluxe Pack Plus.

[sudden tusk]

A lot of new games working though

[polar geode]

Damn, I was hoping itd work. But it should run on the PSX pack at least

[sudden tusk]

Just noticed the option for the 4 mb carts

Sound in burning rangers is fubar

[polar geode]

Unless you have a large hankering for Final Fight Revenge the CPS2 core makes 4MB not needed for the most part.

[ripe valley]

Dead or Alive seems to freeze after character selection.

[sudden tusk]

I actually do .. its one of the few capcom fighting games I have never beaten ..

And I love me some jank fighters

[polar geode]

Enjoy your kusoge poverty my friend

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

OMg It loaded up

[polar geode]

Now excuse me while I boot up Trio the Punch: Never Forget Ne

[sudden tusk]

And it sounds amazing

Well guess there goes today

First playthrough is gonna be as mine haggard

[undone oyster]

Radiant Silvergun now black screen on boot

[mortal mist]

Works fine here

[undone oyster]

Hmmm

[mortal mist]

Several people above wrote that it also works for them

[undone oyster]

Guess this core still varies between people then

[mortal mist]

For sure

Long time no see @undone oyster 😁

[polar geode]

Single vs dual SDRAM maybe?

[undone oyster]

I been about, just been busy Kuba

[undone oyster]

Possibly

[pearl harbor]

Oh boy, I need to test this out later today!

[warped cliff]

I'm just stoked that there's now a decent way to play Quake on the MiSTer now

I bet the Saturn core will be quite stable by then

Pentium 60 would be amazing, but who would be crazy enough to develop that? 😄

[undone oyster]

Die hard arcade still has the exploding polys

[polar geode]

Isn't ao486 90mhz

[warped cliff]

yeah but it ain't no pentium, and no FPU

[polar geode]

I think at some point we are going to run into limitations of the DE-10

[undone oyster]

Also if using multi region BIOS and you have it set to Japan Die Hard Arcade is actually in Japanese 🙂

Guardian Heroes now Black screens on boot for me

OK it is loading after a core reload

But still black screen :S

[warped cliff]

Well the PSX core has at least one issue reported which has workarounds, but can't actually be fixed due to the limitations you speak of. So I'd say we've reached that point.

[polar geode]

That generation seems like a good stopping off point for cores anyway

[zinc vine]

controller support?

[warped cliff]

Yep, and I'm sure if we did get a pentium 60 core, it would probably also be crippled by limitations.

[thorn pagoda]

pc games are much less speed sensitive than psx ones

especially the kind that you'd want a p60 for

[naive whale]

Well this has been a fun Monday Morning

[ripe valley]

Radiant Silvergun works (with major sounds issues) for me. Dual 2.9, fresh reboot when doing the tests.
I've finished the 3 first stages with today's core.

[sudden tusk]

Indeed .. I got a bunch of new stuff to test

Been busy

[tall radish]

where do i find the latest unstable mister main to run with this update?

[blazing lance]

https://tenor.com/view/having-a-good-day-good-day-great-day-it-was-a-good-day-happy-day-gif-13288128

[sudden tusk]

Final fight revenge

[naive whale]

Who’s getting revenge? lol

JC?

[sudden tusk]

Amen

Been stuck playing final fight revenge lol

[untold lintel]

I’m sorry

[naive whale]

Final Fight Revenge is good if you embrace the jank

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[tall radish]

But thats the build before the new updated saturn core came out. Isn't there a newer one?

[mortal mist]

You need unstable main with cd changes

And new core from today

That's it

Each new unstable main contains things that were added earlier

Changes for cd were added on February 27

[sudden tusk]

It’s my first time playing it and I think it’s kinda fun in a mega jank sort of way

[sudden tusk]

Exactly!!

About to check out sf zero 3 to see if that works now

[naive whale]

Yeah lmk. I’d be curious too

[sudden tusk]

Alpha 3 looking good!!

[naive whale]

Awesome. I’ll add it to the list for capturing

[sudden tusk]

Sounds great too !

[polar geode]

Can confirm Dracula X is working with the improvement/language hack. I would recommend anyone play it this way over stock.

The sound effects and voices aren't working quite right, nor is streaming the music from the pcm files but I dont know if that is a Single SDRAM issue or just incomplete implementation.

[drifting frigate]

The first water section is bright yellow for me, which is kinda hilarious.

[naive whale]

Sound effects were delayed for me. Or wouldn’t play. Hit or miss. But mechanically worked great

Tomorrows video has some fun games that I captured. Some weirdo stuff

And some hits

[drifting frigate]

Wooo!

Loving Space Harrier already.

[naive whale]

Anyone try OutRun yet?

[sudden tusk]

Not yet

[naive whale]

Even with the Jotego core still want that on sat

[sudden tusk]

Trying outrun rn

And …

Froze on the sega logo

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-no-star-wars-mark-hamill-hanging-on-gif-11368455

[sudden tusk]

Mashing start just got me a black screen 😦

[naive whale]

So same behavior as before. Oh well. Next update maybe 🙂

I’ve got so many non working games on my SD card tomorrow to try anyway

[sudden tusk]

All the capcom stuff seems to be working perfectly now

At first glance of course

[naive whale]

What else worked for you?

Capcom wise

[sudden tusk]

Final fight revenge and alpha 3 so far..

Trying some more stuff as we speak

[drifting frigate]

I'm in on Outrun, but no sound.

[naive whale]

I’m def doing revenge for the next video (not tomorrows. That’s uploaded)

[sudden tusk]

Dual ?

[drifting frigate]

Keep in mind, I'm running off of a share, not local media.

Yes, but I can go check single. Gimme a sec.

[sudden tusk]

Wish I could provide you capture footage cause I’m learning some combos lol

[naive whale]

Gotta get a capture card

You can be my unpaid intern 😂

[sudden tusk]

Word ! One of these days

[sudden tusk]

I’m down than I can start my own channel eventually

[naive whale]

I am my own unpaid intern. Channel is such a money loser 🤣

[polar geode]

Single SDRAM:

Cyberbots - Working, music and sfx issues
Darius II - Working, zoom functioning properly
Dracula X (Improvement) - working, sfx and music issues
Kyuukyoku Tiger II Plus - hangs on loading screen
Mizubaku Daibouken - Working
Rockman X4 - Working again, now loads to intro stage
Sega Ages Outrun - Use Rev A dump, boots but does not have sfx or music
Sexy Parodius - Working
Shinobi Legions - no boot, black screen
Thunderforce V - now frozen on title screen rather than loading screen

[zinc vine]

street fighter alpha zero 3 work on dram

[drifting frigate]

Works on single as well, no sound. I'm using the SA North American release dual disc.

[drifting frigate]

Legit I'm unemployed right now and would happily do capture work.

[sudden tusk]

Ok cool I’ll give the North American version a shot

[naive whale]

Well if you get captures lmk. I can include them

[drifting frigate]

Sure thing. Already grabbed the first bit of SotN. But the audio triggered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOq1iUNcFHc

[naive whale]

I got SotN this morning. First thing I tried

[zinc vine]

outrun JP stuck on sega logo

[polar geode]

That cutscene with death has horrible sounding background noise on real hardware iirc

[drifting frigate]

Groove On Fight is working now, it seems.

I'm sure you checked that one right away though.

[naive whale]

Nice. That’s one I had slated to text tomorrow

I literally had time for three games this morning + quick edit and VO

And a core installation guide for people who needed it

[ripe valley]

Groove on Fight have some trouble with the backgrounds. Stripes-like pieces of puzzle if you take attention.

[sudden tusk]

I was about to get to that one

Sailor moon super S is working fine fmvs and all

[fallen terrace]

There are patched roms that remove the requirements.

[drifting frigate]

Groove On has that staggered column issue (as it did in the 'no expansion cart' screen) - in a lot of the backgrounds. Probably VDP sync issues. But it plays fairly well!

[sudden tusk]

Decathlete now displays properly but it has major sound issues

[ripe valley]

Some 3D effects between stages on Rayman are much more better rendered.

[sudden tusk]

Wait .. seems decathlete still suffers from visual glitches mostly in the backgrounds

[ripe valley]

I know, but for our mutual testing phase, that could be interesting to test with the card ROM files too.

[drifting frigate]

Here's some (terrible) GoF footage when it finishes processing. I got confident in round one then got NeoGeo'd in Round 2. https://youtu.be/Q_Qnc4-Kfno

[ripe valley]

Vampire Hunter have strange bugs : some sprites have color issues and the game tends to freeze after 1-2 stage(s).
EDIT : Hunter have bugs, not Savior.

[sudden tusk]

Let’s see if panzer dragoon II has sound now

And it does !!

[ripe valley]

It does, you were faster than me.

Could someone check X-Men vs. Street Fighter, it seems that the intro goes crazy and the game couldn't be started.

Oh and BTW, Tengai Makyou IV - The Apocalypse is playable now.

[sudden tusk]

It ain’t perfect but at least their is sound

Scratchy as hell

Let’s see if saga works now

Saga boot! And has sound .. intro fmv is glitchy af though

[ripe valley]

I hope that some future research on the core will go on the SCSP core + synchro with other chips.
Seem to be related from my previous knowledge on other Saturn emus testing phases.

[zinc vine]

X-Men vs. Street Fighter same and no sound

[zinc vine]

doesnt work

[patent ingot]

Try 2nd Revision of Outrun. 1st version had issues with original hardware related to later saturns.

[drifting frigate]

The NA dual disc does.

[sudden tusk]

Saga is working

Cutscene dialogue and everything g

[ripe valley]

I'm using "Sega Ages - OutRun (Japan) (Rev A)" for the tests, it works on my system - without sounds. And some road signs aren't correctly rendered (stripes).

[patent ingot]

https://youtu.be/bvPXTnCb2rI

[ripe valley]

I will check Snatcher, as I love that game (and Policenauts too).

[polar geode]

The 32 bit ports of Snatcher are kinda... =\

[ripe valley]

I know.

Sadly.

[polar geode]

So it's a matter of a bad version/rip?

[patent ingot]

yes/no: two versions of Sega ages Out run were released. 1st version is not compatible with newer saturn models. 2nd revision works with all. Need to make sure you have the 2nd revision of Sega Ages Outrun

not ruling out bad rips which can happen on either one

depending on source

[sudden tusk]

Holy crap i forgot how dope the cutscenes in saga were .. they still hold up ..

[patent ingot]

ive got both

youu want Rev A

[polar geode]

Cool, thank you

[patent ingot]

stick with REDUMP and you'll be good

[polar geode]

Always

[zinc vine]

never heard of that one before

[patent ingot]

ALSO:
There are other known issues such as In The Hunt not loading until you remove the controller, Croc's missing head etc that we need to be aware of, not to confuse it with the core being broken as it happens on original hardware as well

SEGA AGES OUTRUN

[drifting frigate]

It's also got Space Harrier (which works but WITH sound...OutRun has no sound).

[polar geode]

PSX In the Hunt is better anyway, has the least slowdown between SS/AC/PSX

[drifting frigate]

Irem 92 just walks through the room, pushing everyone out of the way.

Has @burnt matrix tested Bug! yet? I must know the latest Bug! news. But not enough to play Bug!

[polar geode]

Does the I92 core have a turbo function?

[sudden tusk]

Shoot can’t save games on the core yet ..

[drifting frigate]

Turbo shot? Or like... 'Make side arms go crazy' turbo?

Either way, I don't think so. But my stick does.

[polar geode]

Actual overclocking style turbo. M92 has slowdown commonly on many games, especially anything pre-team Nazca worked on

[drifting frigate]

No idea, but I don't think so. Pretty sure it's going for cycle accurate currently.

[zinc vine]

all we need now to add snac support into this build

[polar geode]

My retrobit Saturn pad is serving me well today

[polar geode]

I can confirm Sega Ages Outrun Rev A is booting fine. Thank you!

Single SDRAM:

Cyberbots - Working, music and sfx issues
Darius II - Working, zoom functioning properly
Dracula X (Improvement) - working, sfx and music issues
Kyuukyoku Tiger II Plus - hangs on loading screen
Mizubaku Daibouken - Working
Rockman X4 - Working again, now loads to intro stage
Sega Ages Outrun - Use Rev A dump, boots but does not have sfx or music
Sexy Parodius - Working
Shinobi Legions - no boot, black screen
Thunderforce V - now frozen on title screen rather than loading screen

[undone oyster]

Anyone else had SOTN crash on pressing start with Maria?

[hard reef]

I had the same but found that the JPN Rev A redump image worked where the other did not

The 60 FPS mode in OutRun is worth trying if you haven’t before

[polar geode]

Hold A + C on game mode in options, press left or right

Labeled as "smooth"

[hard reef]

That’s the one

[polar geode]

Nice to see Outrun running in 60fps on MiSTer. Once the sound issues are resolved this will be the better way to play Outrun on the platform, wish Turbo Outrun got a port like this

[zinc vine]

usb or snac?

[polar geode]

USB, 1ms lag

[sudden tusk]

Shinning in the holy ark now working

[undone oyster]

Lucky

[zinc vine]

oh i got snac version

[polar geode]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GenuineConfusedFoxterrier-max-1mb.gif

[ripe valley]

Powerslave/Exhumed textures are much better now.

[undone oyster]

I find it so hard to maintain the compatibility list with the randomness of the core

[ripe valley]

Yes, I can't even boot Rockman X4 right now (even after some tries and reboots), but others could do it.

[drifting frigate]

Core, setups, collections, SD speeds....I'm shocked it's as put together as it is.

That's a testament to your work.

[ancient surge]

Doing some testing with the dual RAM build.

Puyo Puyo 2 has the shadows fixed, but there's a new glitch where the highlighted graphic on the mode selection doesn't appear.

Sakura Wars Columns still has the obnoxious glitchy explosion sounds.

Waku Waku Puyo Puyo Dungeon still runs at half speed and has glitchy sound.

Twinkle Star Sprites now boots. The sound is a tad glitchy, but it's in a playable state.

[undone oyster]

I can't even boot Guardian Heroes or Radiant Silvergun any more

[patent ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-21978827

[mortal mist]

yes , unfortunately a lot also depends on the energy of cosmic rays 😛

[drifting frigate]

Same for RSG, it used to boot and no longer does.

[naive whale]

The sound was crackly for me this morning

Little hollow too

[ancient surge]

The Legend of Oasis still has busted sound.

Thunder Force V fails to boot now, a regression from older builds.

Magical Drop III has glitchy sound and a weird layering transparency glitch.

[quaint dove]

Does this latest unstable boot on current main and does it support yc?

[drifting frigate]

In my testing, no go on current main.

[polar geode]

TFV boots on single SDRAM but not on dual? Weird

[drifting frigate]

Requires the 3/26 main.

[mortal mist]

for me Thunderforce V launches, single ram

[rough topaz]

SRG320 when he releases an update.

[polar geode]

Freezes on title screen for me, single

[mortal mist]

unfortunately everyone has a different experience

[ancient surge]

Okay what the hell, Thunder Force V boots now? I double checked and now it boots like normal.

The first time I did it, it just hanged on a black screen

Unfortunately, it's still a unplayable mess.

[drifting frigate]

Sometimes the ram state can cause things to change. See: Duke Nukem boots.

[patent ingot]

considering the core is the same for everyone, it leads to quality of the ISO RIP. could help to check if the cores were transferred properly and or the rest of the mister main has no issues causing conflict.

hardware can be an issue also since it can vary for everyone as well

[polar geode]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/RJ8S5wYPQqZeApAJFz/giphy.gif

[mortal mist]

even ram

we use 2.4, 2.5, 2.9

I assume that we all use the redump version of games

[patent ingot]

hhaha we would hope so

[mortal mist]

I see only background

good for desktop wallpaper 🤣

windows etc.

[ancient surge]

Like I said, it boots, but it's still in an unplayable state.

So basically nothing changed.

[mortal mist]

yes , just kidding 🙂

[polar geode]

It runs fine in the PSX core.. if you want the inferior version I guess

[sudden tusk]

Daytona USA has full sound now

Glorious

[ancient surge]

Puyo Puyo Sun is the same, just some inconsistent loading and minor sound inaccuracies.

[pearl harbor]

Nice, Bulk Slash finally has a sky box!

[sudden tusk]

Rabbit working with sound

[pearl harbor]

Same with Panzer Dragoon II

[sudden tusk]

Interesting fighting game .. the art style reminds me of skull girls

[drifting frigate]

If I cold boot, I can boot them. So bad initial ram state?

[undone oyster]

I tried this

[drifting frigate]

Dang.

[pearl harbor]

I also had trouble booting Radiant Silvergun at first. But I was eventually able to get it to load. It's definitely finicky.

[ancient surge]

Cotton 2 has a glitched menu, music randomly cuts out in both cutscenes and gameplay.

[sudden tusk]

Road rash sounding really good

Woah cool you can turn the music volume up and down with the left and right shoulder buttons on the Saturn ..

Pretty sure you can’t do that on the ps1 version

[polar geode]

DOS version is king

Er.. Win95

[ancient surge]

Asuka 120% Burning Fest. Limited still has the glitchy audio and the broken shadows during matches.

[analog totem]

Curious to see if Astal still has sprite glitches…also want to check Powrslave

[sudden tusk]

It still does

Already checked

Bummer I know …

Sounds great though

Sega rally now let’s you continue onto the next race !

Don’t pause the game though or it’ll crash

[pearl harbor]

Interesting, I never had trouble continuing to the next race in Sega Rally before. Must have been another one of those anomalies between setups.

[sudden tusk]

Who knows .. it never let me continue before

[ancient surge]

I think the sound in Cleopatra Fortune actually got worse.

[sudden tusk]

Sonic R sounds amazing ..

[polar geode]

Maybe the R/W timing is really sensitive, and there are differences between SD card, network share, etc...

[sudden tusk]

Im just kicking it in the options menu listening to the tunes

[ripe valley]

Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari (Japan) works.

Very strange game.

3x3 Eyes - Kyuusei Koushu S (Japan) seems playable, at least the 10 first minutes.

[burnt matrix]

omg bug
🎶 🎷 🐛

[polar geode]

The only "bug" I want to hear about is Tempo.. which works on the Saturn core and the 32X core

[sudden tusk]

Sonic R has been running perfect for at least half hour ..

[ripe valley]

What have we done.

Sonic R works. 😱

[sudden tusk]

All further work on the core can seize now

[sudden tusk]

Super well.. it used to constantly freeze and music wouldn’t play .. you couldn’t retry races ..

Now it plays smooth af

[pearl harbor]

Sonic R running perfect means it's not perfect running.

[ancient surge]

Madou Mongatari still runs at half speed and most of the sound is missing.

[sudden tusk]

Shinning in the holy ark runs like molasses when inside a dungeon

[sudden tusk]

The soundtrack is perfect

[polar geode]

https://media.tenor.com/mFq8VnKG3CAAAAAC/shining-shinning.gif

[drifting frigate]

Game Hut gon' sue.

[burnt matrix]

jokes on him it never "worked"

[ripe valley]

Jon knows.

At least this time.

[burnt matrix]

I really enjoyed Game Hut!

[ripe valley]

Same.

[burnt matrix]

I'm happy for the dude though, so I'm not gonna complain he's not making more videos lol

[ripe valley]

'Was doing just a bad joke.

[sudden tusk]

Dang … NBA jam sounds on point

And plays perfect

Wait false alarm .. just noticed some minor graphical glitches ..

Anybody try last Bronx yet ?

[ancient surge]

Slayers Royal has the same sound explosion problem as Sakura Wars Columns. A bunch of static too. Some animation glitches during combat.

[sudden tusk]

Last Bronx now playing at the proper speed

[vagrant sapphire]

Hi everyone! Finally an update from Sergey!
I updated the core through the script but I get the Checking Disc Format screen on every game. 😦

[drifting frigate]

Are you using unstable MiSTer from 3/26? Currently required I believe.

[sudden tusk]

Let’s see if die hard arcade still has glitches

Gotta play deep scan first

[lavish wadi]

Final Fight Revenge!!!! Awesome 🤩

[sudden tusk]

Hell yeah!!

[lavish wadi]

Side question - Anyone here use the HDR in the .ini? Figured since I’m running unstable, wanted to know if it was worth giving that a try

[naive whale]

It is very organic for something purely digital lol

[lavish wadi]

Shinobi is now a no go on my end. As soon as the blade his on the tile screen, it freezes. Tested single and dual

[slow mesa]

i'm looking forward to trying that when it's working properly. I must have completed Revenge of Shinobi more than any other game but I've never tried the Saturn one.

[sudden tusk]

Lol the final boss of final fight revenge is a zombie version of the final boss of final fight ..

That’s a lot of finals

[slow mesa]

think i heard that at one point but I'd forgotten so good to know. I've not got the latest build of the Saturn core. One of my other favourite games ever is Landstalker so I'm hype to play Dark Savior as well but I'm waiting till there's a more complete core before I try play through the whole thing.

[naive whale]

Final Fight Inception

[full shore]

Street Fighter Zero 3 and Vampire Saviour run perfectly with the new 4MB cart option

[lavish wadi]

I did. That my preferred version as well

[sudden tusk]

Awww yeah beat the game as alpha 3 t hawk

[hot siren]

Dont know who controls the spreadsheet:
But at the moment "newsest Unstable Main" is needed again it seems ^^

[naive whale]

@undone oyster that’s you still yeah?

[undone oyster]

yeah, but it is very hard to do with the randomness of the core

like some games work for one person that doesn't for another

[burnt matrix]

I’m so ecstatic to see everyone so excited to play the greatest Saturn fighting game

Final Fight Revenge

[polar geode]

Poverty revolution

Dibs on Poison

[split gyro]

Do we have sound for Saturn Bomberman? Or working sound.

[ancient surge]

So how's the compatibility list looking so far compared to the older build?

[naive whale]

Makes sense. Nothing is consistent. Which I kinda love

[pearl harbor]

The only thing consistent is the inconsistency.

[polar geode]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DirtyUnevenBeaver-size_restricted.gif

[ripe valley]

I could try some boss levels on Rockman X4, after the training.
First time I could do it on the core.

Some game have improved sounds like Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo.

[naive whale]

I finished X4 on the Dec core myself

Now everyone will get to experience the superior glory that is SotN on Saturn

[polar geode]

Superior..? Ehhhh I dunno man

I like the new content a lot but that port is kind of a trash fire compared to the original, without the improvement patch anyway

[naive whale]

I SAID WHAT I SAID 😂

I’ll trade a little slowdown and lost transparencies any day of the week for Maria and extra levels

[ripe valley]

Shinobi Legions is a no-go on my side too.
Guardian Heroes is a pain to load on my system now, must be something blocking with the new CDD update and fixes.
But we have many games booting or are even playable now.

[naive whale]

I mean I own SotN, Japanese PS1 SotN and Saturn SotN. They are all great. But to me Saturn is my go to

[polar geode]

I mean, I like visiting the Human Face Tree down in the Underground Garden too but.. does all of the new content really aesthetically match the original?

[naive whale]

Haha no. Not at all

But it’s like being given a flank steak after a ribeye. Not as good but I’m still hungry for more

[polar geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459422032329834509/1093215388545859655/giphy.gif

[naive whale]

+1 for Leslie Nielsen

[polar geode]

http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/multi/collector-protogem.htm

I mean, I had a problem

[naive whale]

Lol you are talking to the OG “I have a problem” fan of games and hardware

[polar geode]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AffectionateElectricChrysalis-size_restricted.gif

[naive whale]

I’m sitting here getting excited to play Nocturne on MiSTer when I have my Saturn connected to my PVM and Nocturne next to it so 😂

[polar geode]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6184/

You're missing out

[slate karma]

For anyone who wants to extract Saturn CHDs to BIN/CUE in their own folder ready for their MiSTer, I modified the batch file from here (https://scunster.co.uk/?p=1732) to do just that:

md "%%~ni"
chdman extractcd -i "%%i" -o "%%~ni\%%~ni.cue"
)```

[naive whale]

Haha I’ve played it. It was also on my Saturn steam deck vid

And will be on my “x games to play on Saturn vid” soon

[ancient surge]

Honestly once we get options like turbo and transparency blending available for the core, you could genuinely argue that the SEGA Saturn version of Castlevania Symphony of The Night might be the preferred version.

But that almost feels like cheating in a sense.

[naive whale]

As long as Saturn has Bubble Symphony I’ll always love it

[polar geode]

There are some fundamental design problems on the retail version that only some hacking can solve.. thankfully it has been done

[ancient surge]

I know, I just mentioned that since the poor performance and heavy usage of dithering are among the more commonly criticized problems with the SEGA Saturn release.

[hollow snow]

until we have a T3 core

[naive whale]

That’s probably the most “needed” core as F3 hardware is a pain in the ass

Getting sync out of that board sucks

[hollow snow]

besides the konami stuff already being worked on the T3 and 68000 boards are at the top of my list

saturn will do til tehn tho

[naive whale]

PGM. That’s what I can’t wait for. And I have a PGM board and games

I want more people to play PGM

[hollow snow]

yeah i hated that cps3 got voted in over pgm with jotego. i love some SF3 but pgm seemed like more bang for the buck

[naive whale]

Makes sense though. I get why it won

CPS 3 has such a thin library but it’s also expensive AF for a multi so having it in FPGA will be great

[polar geode]

Demon Front ftw

[naive whale]

Martial Masters is a banger too. Spectral vs Generation is a personal fav too

[naive whale]

I am a huge SNK / Neo Geo fan but I admit Demon Front is every bit as good as the best Metal Slug

[polar geode]

I like it's different take on the Metal Slug formula, more so than Dolphin Blue

But Atomiswave is yet another topic, and I am junking up the Saturn channel with offtopic nonsense

[patent ingot]

Hell yea Demon Front! Happy to own this on PGM

[hollow snow]

especially bad to junk it up with stuff we will never see on mister..lol

[polar geode]

Cool topper for the motherboard

[patent ingot]

hell yea!!!

[sudden tusk]

Wtf is an atomis wave ?sounds like a special attack from a bad fighting game

[burnt matrix]

Bug isn't working for me on the new core, I am sad

[sudden tusk]

Bug too works like a champ ..

Or so I heard ..

[thorn pagoda]

atomiswave is a dreamcast derived arcade machine

[sudden tusk]

It’s not like I played it for an hour

[sudden tusk]

I know I’m just jk

[thorn pagoda]

oh sorry

[sudden tusk]

Not a worry friend

Wish I had one

[thorn pagoda]

you can play them on dreamcast these days with an ode

[sudden tusk]

So much to play already ..

Elevator action returns has perfect sound now

[thorn pagoda]

the metal slug on there is a bit disappointing

[sudden tusk]

Noted ^

[patent ingot]

What's your issue with Bug? I know it has controller issues with modern day controllers from brook, and retrobit on original hardware. I can't speak for how the controls are implemented in FPGA thoughh.

[sudden tusk]

Just play bug too

Better game anyways

Or so I heard

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-collar-eesh-loosen-tense-gif-7576451

[polar geode]

Or play Super Tempo, which stars a bug, and is actually good

[patent ingot]

Here are more SAturn games we can expect issues with that occur on original hardware

REMINDER! We're probably far off from experiencing some of the following issues. Saturn has bugs that occur with real hardware for the following games. Not to be confused with Saturn Core issues.

Croc (US & EU) Sometimes can appear headless, happens when the game doesn't initialize properly, recommended start game from BIOS CD Menu

Crusader No Remorse: Audio Cracks

In the Hunt: Game may fail to load if a controller is plugged in. Recommend plug controller after game past intro screen.

Slam 'N Jam '96: Game might not work properly unless it's started from BIOS CD Menu

Sega Ages Outrun: Game may freeze depending on hardware and bios. There are two versions of this game. Later version has higher compatibility.

[burnt matrix]

Title screen doesn't load after the intro movie

I'll try Bug Too

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, but the intro movie plays....so it's still able to terrorize a little.

That newspaper is triggering.

[cursive tree]

Any Sega 32X core new update?

[burnt matrix]

AND LO, THE SATURN GIVETH AND TAKETH AWAY.

Bug used to work for me but with the latest core update, Bug no longer works but now Bug Too! works.

PRAISE BE TO SEGA.
🙌🙌

[naive whale]

Buglegtric BUGaloo

[polar geode]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8afee8a988d7ece342f61e74c7175b5d/tumblr_o49yfjOOIO1s9fn3ko1_540.gif

[sudden tusk]

Both dragon force games display properly now but sound still an issue

Anobody know that the load cartridge bin option is for ?

[polar geode]

Maybe action replay?

[sudden tusk]

That’s the most likely option

Hoping it’s a way to save

[drifting frigate]

I'm sad to report But Too! does, in fact, work.

I never wished I was playing Gex harder.

[sudden tusk]

I just wanna dig into DF so bad but if I can’t save what’s the point G

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale you covered Amok already, right?

[naive whale]

I did yes

[burnt matrix]

Ok, well it’s still working great lol

[sudden tusk]

Holy molly if you disable SCSP sound in the debug options it gets rid of the farty annoying sounds!!

Dragon force sounds so proper now

[naive whale]

Fun stuff

[drifting frigate]

Oh no. Braindead 13 works.

Bulk Slash takes a long while, but boots! And seems to be playing OK. I need to find a manual.

[urban parcel]

Any suggestions if I get no HDMI out when I use that latest unstable Main?

[dawn moth]

is there a script to update unstable MiSTer? I'm staying in an airbnb 250 miles from my sd card reader, and I can only add stuff via mister scripts or through filezilla

[vagrant cloud]

Sometime it hang

[drifting frigate]

I'm sure it does. I got through the first level OK and it was quite fun!

[polar geode]

Are you people still playing Saturn? There's a wonderful world of PC98 games waiting for you on puu's buggy PC98 test core! Try not to trip over the hentai!

[drifting frigate]

I mean, with all those tentacles it'll be tough.

Saturn has all that PG-13 ecchi stuff. Steam Heart's. Visual novels. It's been a lot of cruft to remove.

[polar geode]

a gordian knot of potential tripping hazards

[drifting frigate]

HAH

[polar geode]

But Pia Carrot is so engaging

[drifting frigate]

Steam Heart's is good though.

[lusty rapids]

just embrace it in all the visual novel glory

let the 先輩ぃs flow through you

[drifting frigate]

Weird interactive episodes of Tenchi Muyo.

Like, I remember the onsen episode ....but now I can play it and maybe mac on a spaceship with boobs.

I did try Super Tempo and it's pretty great!

[zinc vine]

any good

[polar geode]

Tenchi Muyo? That's 90s dude, we watch Arion and Maris the Choujo in here

[drifting frigate]

Well, is that on Saturn?

Hehe.

[polar geode]

Plenty but my post was a joke. The PC98 test core is absolutely horrible to set up and has poor compatibility.

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-saturday-night-live-ooh-wide-eyes-open-oh-wow-gif-23601954

[polar geode]

BUT if you want to setup an emulator I can recommend some nice ones

[lusty rapids]

is there anything better beside np21w fmgen builds

because that's what I've been using/telling people to use

[polar geode]

Flame Zapper Kotsujin
Garudius 95
Kemesis
Night Slave (No, its not hentai)
Out Breakers
Rude Breaker
Rusty
Salamander (Gold Cats)
Thunder Force 1
Totsugeki! Mix
Ulifeforce
Uramander

These are all english friendly

[sudden tusk]

Goddang the Saturn port of alpha/zero 3 is just amazing and a pure joy to play way better than the ps1 version

[polar geode]

Still seems to the "best" unless you're on Linux or Mac

[lusty rapids]

it's still the best even on Linux

[polar geode]

That would be Kai

[lusty rapids]

linux builds of np21w don't work right, but np21w fmgen works great through wine

[polar geode]

IIRC

Oh, through wine

[lusty rapids]

yeah I've gone the kai route and had issues, np21w through wine is best

[polar geode]

My Epson PC Club is still in the closet..

Hate dragging out the old Dell LCD that supports 24khz to use it though

[lusty rapids]

I have all the access and ability to own a real pc98, but none of the space

[polar geode]

Japan life

[sudden tusk]

Yo nerds take your pc cartoon porn loving asses to pc chat

This is for Saturn edgelords only

[polar geode]

You know you want some of that Pia Carrot action

[lusty rapids]

pc98 had the original version of Policenauts, Saturn has a Policenauts port, therefore there is relation

[sudden tusk]

Well … you got me on a technicality,

Either test some Saturn games and talk about how the saturn is the dopest console ever to have been conceived or move along

Thank you in advanced

[lusty rapids]

well if sotn boots now I guess it's time for the daily sotn runs

[polar geode]

No problem, let's talk about Pia Carrot

[zinc vine]

https://tenor.com/view/stonedapez-stonedapezsaturnclub-nft-bored-ape-gif-24250281

[sudden tusk]

Ok I’ll bite …

What in gods green erf is that ?

[lusty rapids]

18才以上 lol

[sudden tusk]

English mon!

Me no speaka

[lusty rapids]

Age 18 and above

[sudden tusk]

Woah.. so those chics on the cover aren’t sisters ?

[lusty rapids]

they might be cousins in the sailor moon sense

I dunno I've never played this one

judging the book game by the cover

[polar geode]

It's cartoon porn.. on the Saturn

[sudden tusk]

Well goddang Japan ..

They got all kinds of pron in Japan no wonder their birthrate is tanking ..

[polar geode]

変態

[lusty rapids]

every first world country's birthrate is tanking

Japan just gets the flack for it

[sudden tusk]

True

[polar geode]

PCFX Pia Carrot has an english translation patch, for all you lower tier weebs

[sudden tusk]

Duck it

[lusty rapids]

is this where I can pop in here like a CRT person but instead I say the only true way to enjoy retro Japanese games is in their original Japanese

(/s)

[sudden tusk]

Hoping to find a pre patched version

[lusty rapids]

it's not the full experience unless you're playing the games in a 4 tatami mat room sitting on the floor in the corner

[polar geode]

https://www.romhacking.net/?page=translations&platform=13&languageid=12&perpage=20&order=Title

[wraith echo]

I actually think that you're right. Really need to start learning some day.

[lusty rapids]

just start working on memorizing the kana and go from there

but really I was just joking

[split gyro]

Sound in Saturn bomberman? Anybody?

[ripe valley]

Same as before.

Scratchy and white noise in background when playing.

[sudden tusk]

I figured out that by disabling SCSP SOUND on the debug menu it’ll get rid of the scratchy noises and make the game sound much cleaner ..

Works great for DF and DF 2

[sudden tusk]

Makes panzer dragoon II near perfect

[ancient surge]

One thing I always wondered about the SEGA Saturn core is if it was possible to force games to use the extra 1MB and 4MB RAM, as a possible solution to improve performance in certain games that are normally not compatible with the RAM cartridges.

[acoustic sable]

What model is that?

[viral pebble]

https://twitter.com/srg320_/status/1645754529713909761

Sergey Dvodnenko (@srg320_)

I like the Battletoads games. Couldn't resist trying to make a core for MiSTer.
https://t.co/IA4OYofdt5

Twitter · Apr 11, 2023, 11:43 AM

Dude is an absolute champ

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dedikodu-gossip-shock-şaşırmak-shocking-gif-19902616

[sudden tusk]

Dannnnnnng! And here I was grinning from ear to ear playing Pz II .. it’s like seeing a double rainbow ..

Sergey Dvodnenko is an Absolute legend!

[tawny forge]

Dude makes other amazing cores in between saturn core work for relaxing lol

Legend

[sudden tusk]

Wonder when it’s dropping !

[hallow fossil]

Wow, doesn't Battletoads have complex custom chips we don't have as well? That's not like doing an old Z80 based arcade as a bit of fun.

[subtle tusk]

Battletoads uses a TMS34010, a chip that also shows up in Midway cabinets like NBA Jam and Mortal Kombat.

[tall radish]

I just updated the beta core for the Saturn through insert coin and now none of the games are working? Is there a workaround?

[subtle tusk]

If that chip hasn't been done in FPGA before it would be extremely funny if we get a bunch of classic Midway arcade games because Sergey wanted to play Battletoads.

[mortal mist]

you need latest unstable mister main

[tall radish]

Where do I get that made?

Mate

Or maybe I should just leave it and wait for it to work with the newer one I’m in no rush

[sudden tusk]

Nah I think that it’s work that’s been underway for a while .. atrac17 mentioned working on MK and hinted at it coming sooner than later

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[tall radish]

Thank you kindly

[sudden tusk]

https://twitter.com/_atrac17/status/1641563104676052992?s=46&t=sGScFl9p-xh4HEuApg_BBw

atrac17 #CoinOpCollection (@_atrac17)

It has begun...

#CoinOpCollection #MiSTerFPGA

Likes

359

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 10:08 PM

I’m assuming all top developers share their work and findings ..

[subtle tusk]

Yeah SRG seeing all the hard work was done and using it to put together a Battletoads board makes more sense.

[polar geode]

We'll all be punching roid rats in the nuts soon, hallelujah

[sudden tusk]

Literally almost can’t contain my excitement ..

We don’t deserve such blessings!

[hallow fossil]

I would be surprised if srg320 was using atrac17 chips, especially since atrac17 hasn't pushed any code for this chip have they? I suspect srg has gone and made this in isolation.

[sudden tusk]

Who knows ..

We can only speculate .. but yes I would not be in the least bit surprised if srg concocted the entire core on his own

I can ask his bitch ass

[lusty rapids]

hard to know until it all comes out. atrac17 is certainly something and srg seems to squirrel away on his own for long periods of time as far as I can tell

[viral pebble]

As you can probably tell, I'm a diehard Rare fan by my avatar so this news is extremely exciting!

[lusty rapids]

ah yeah I recognize your avatar as bowser from beast wars

[tawny forge]

srg320 doesn't use other people cores

[sudden tusk]

Uhh “squirrel away”verbiage please

Also srg is in a literal war zone so squirreling away wouldn’t be how I’d describe his habits ?

[lusty rapids]

maybe it was a poor choice of words

but mostly just going on that I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow both worked separate from each other even if there's work that shares chips

no ill will meant

[sudden tusk]

No big deal bro

[burnt matrix]

I can’t let this hilarious comment go unnoticed. That was 💯

[hallow fossil]

With this arcade core, are there any Battletoads games that won't be playable on MiSTer?

[naive whale]

The erotic Battletoads VN from Japan

[hallow fossil]

What is that and what is it on? Although not sure I want to know the answer 🙂

[naive whale]

Battletoads: Kusoge No Regrettu. PC-98

[hallow fossil]

Ah, ok

[naive whale]

Clearly I’m fucking with you 🙂

[hallow fossil]

Hah, well if there was a weird erotic Battletoads game then PC-98 is where it would be at!

[viral pebble]

There's an Amiga CD32 version of Battletoads

[thorn pagoda]

he was like this before the war too though

very private, tends to be quiet for months then drops entire cores fully completed

he's only releasing saturn incrementally because of the circumstances

[sudden tusk]

I’m happy with what we got

[polar geode]

It's just the disk version slapped onto a disc IIRC 😦

[ripe valley]

The source code for Battletoads have been published on Git.

[polar geode]

😮

[vague wadi]

link pls?

[ripe valley]

#1046942006942900304 message

I wanted to add it to a correct section.

[untold spear]

i havent checked in on the saturn core in a long time. can you save games yet?

edit- found my answer with a search. darn. getting closer and closer

[burnt matrix]

@inner token Does it make sense updating your SNAC fork to the latest build or should we wait until Srg merges you work into the main build?

[ancient surge]

The lack of saving is why I'm hesitant to look into multi-disc games like Sakura Wars and Shining Force III

[hallow fossil]

Not sure if mouse support is in there yet, or anyone has looked at adding it and doing a PR, but Saturn had a lot of games with mouse support so that is going to be really fun to dig into at some point

https://segaretro.org/Shuttle_Mouse

[ripe valley]

Policenauts with mouse support.

[polar geode]

Oh, doesnt Policenauts support that?

Yeah

Mouse + Virtua Cop gun for best experience

[ripe valley]

I've seen some reference for lightgun on the latest source code.
SRG added a virtual controller and has done some major groundwork with the SCU.

[inner token]

I still need to rewrite the virtual controller stuff that got added to work with the snac code. And i kind of want to wait to give SRG all the room he needs too.

Can't remember if there's virtual mouse, but sega mice work with snac

[hallow fossil]

Is anyone making and selling Saturn SNAC yet? Is it a more advanced board like the PlayStation SNAC rather than the Megadrive, NES, SNES etc ones?

[untold lintel]

Misteraddons has Saturn dongles for his SNAC and SNAX

[inner token]

yeah saturn will be comparable to megadrive. passive adapters to use with snac or snax. and one port only

[hallow fossil]

Would the Megadrive adaptor not work for Ataris if support were added into the cores?

[burnt matrix]

Dude you’re awesome, thanks for putting that together. My wallet isn’t a fan though lol.

I got the Saturn connector from MisterAddons and it worked beautifully with any Saturn device I tested with it.

[inner token]

mega drive adapter works now with sega stuff on atari cores. but not with atari stuff because they changed a couple pins around.

I did do a multi port all in one thing but never released it. no safeties from people plugging in everything

probably won't happen, the systems were different enough even though they shared the de9 connector that it's tough.

[inner token]

One major pain has been the analog pins on atari 2600(used for paddles and 7800 controller). the supporting circuitry that was in the console isn't there on mister. so a passive adapter will never work for those

[hallow fossil]

Oh, is that something that could be added?

[inner token]

think it would have to be added outside of the core. i worked on it some but haven't finished it.

[hallow fossil]

Have you talked to Rysha about it?

[sharp comet]

Yes

[sudden tusk]

Why is your profile picture mike Matei?

[still bay]

Does anyone know the proper settings so the Saturn core is centered (or at least not cut off on the left side) on a PVM/CRT? Much appreciated 🙏

[pearl harbor]

That's just how it is right now. We need to wait for it to be fixed as the core continues development.

[still bay]

Ahh gotcha, thanks for the heads up.

[sudden tusk]

Always check the options menu a lot of games have their own screen centering options sf zero3 is a good example

[storm tusk]

Guys do you think we will still need 2 ram modules when the core is optimized or you think one is enough ?

[naive whale]

too early to say either way

[storm tusk]

i see thanks, trying to figure if i should get one or two 😛

[drifting crown]

Deffo get at least one

[burnt matrix]

It’s already running fine on one.

[sudden tusk]

I love how a lot of folks think that every problem in life can be solved by throwing some extra ram in the mix

[polar geode]

Its not clear whether the core will really need that dual SDRAM at this time, depends on where development goes

[visual grove]

You should get 5 ram, just in case

[quaint dove]

I got into the computing in the 90’s. Back then, it did.

[polar geode]

HIMEM.SYS

[ancient surge]

Considering how much is working now with a single RAM, I think dual RAM will be limited to stuff that isn't perceived by humans anyway. Like how the single RAM build for the PS1 core technically has extremely minor audio delay.

[lavish wadi]

Even then, it’s $60 (Unless your board does not have expansion)

I would pay that for perfect Saturn

[polar geode]

I think there was some discussion about the framebuffer for JT's Outrun/Turbo Outrun core maybe needing it

Wish Turbo Outrun had a nice 60fps Saturn port, I like it better than the original

[hallow fossil]

I added all the files need to a WIP database, so if you want to try that out then instructions are here:
#1046942006942900304 message

There are a number of different files needed to get Battletoads to boot right now

[slate karma]

Did anyone else experience quite a bit of regression with a number of games with the latest update? I now only get a white screen when booting Sega Rally, VF2 changes resolution (to 700x320 or whatever) but black screen and SFZ3 doesn't boot. I see other people can boot all those games fine though? Cleared old Saturn config file, tried different version BIOS and using original Redump bin/cue files. Single SDRAM module here.

[thorn pagoda]

yeah for me it ran some games better before too

sega rally is one of them

not really surprising, core in alpha and pushes memory really hard

[naive whale]

Welcome to the world if 8/12K video editing

Throwing ram at that problem solved so many things

[slate karma]

Okay, good to know it's just me then! Curious about the people who were able to get the games I mentioned working, I thought my mem was super solid but may not be in that upper echelon that allows everything to work.

[thorn pagoda]

usually the people having no issues have ram that tests over 150mhz

or just dual ram

[slate karma]

That explains it then. Even after only testing for a few minutes (I know, not conclusive) I only stop getting consistent errors at 143MHz.

[burnt matrix]

Noticed the 32X core got updated, any info on what changed or what "ci_build.yml" does?

[hollow sierra]

It was added to the unstable nightly builder today so it just built what was there. This was the latest change:

[naive whale]

Saturn core is gonna look real nice on this one. Newly acquired PVM

[visual grove]

I dig the look of that vcr, did you get the whole pile @naive whale ?

[hallow fossil]

Oh, what is that all the kit?

[polar geode]

What model PVM is this? Also what model VCR?

[visual grove]

20m2u or m4 maybe?

[lavish wadi]

Awesome beard!!!

[burnt matrix]

Thanks for the extra info!

[hollow sierra]

I wish I could tell you what ci_build.yml is

[naive whale]

20M4U

No clue on the rest. This was a pick up at someone else’s place. Old DVCam production hardware

[polar geode]

If you ever want to read off the model # let me know

Of the VCR

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ZgYBhq1x7L1bW/giphy.gif

[visual grove]

The vcr style reminds me of the ag-500, would be cool to have one of those

Those guys

[still maple]

Nice microwave.

Good thinking. Let's stick a fork in it — Mansion of Hidden Souls appears to be perfect. I can't imagine what else anyone would want to play on Saturn anyways.

...unless you're not into edge-of-your-seat gameplay, maximum graphics, and storyline that will reduce you to a gibbering pile of mush.

[burnt matrix]

Bug Too is the perfect game

[still maple]

Hmm. You must not be familiar with Mansion of Hidden Souls then. Don't worry, I won't ruin the surprise.

[dapper ridge]

Hi, where I can get tha file?

[still maple]

Are you looking for the saturn nightly?

[burnt matrix]

You know, I should actually play it. Thanks for the recommendation! 🍻

[still maple]

Yes, cheers indeed. And that brings me back to the lavish evening I once orchestrated for myself with White Russians and company none other than the many guests of the Mansion of Hidden Souls itself, all on a real Saturn, mind you. That was back when junk consoles were lame and thus affordable.

You're welcome. It's going to take a lot of white russians to enjoy MOHS though. Game Pro gave it a sublime 2.0 out of 5, denoting the "Fun Factor" with a half-asleep face. Riveting.

[naive whale]

Everyone knows the Saturn core will see one game played more than any other…Bubble Symphony. Saturn’s best game

[errant sand]

i can’t get past the character select in sotn jp, has anyone else had the same?

nightly mister/saturn single ram

[naive whale]

@old pasture had the same issue

So it’s not isolated to you

I did find that he uses a diff bios than I did though so perhaps that’s what’s up

[drifting frigate]

Oddly enough, the english patch seems to help some folks.

[errant sand]

yea? will test

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, when it first dropped someone mentioned they couldn't get into JP but the EN patched version loaded. Odd.

[polar geode]

qol is generally just better with that patch anyway partial translation but also general improvement

[novel turret]

that looks amazing 🥺

[errant sand]

hmm same issue for me with english patch

messing around with different bios now anyways

neh, same same - will wait out a fix/update

thanks dudes

[burnt matrix]

Maybe this is just the universe’s way of telling you to play the superior version on the PS1 👀

[polar geode]

I mean

You're not wrong

[errant sand]

(or 360!)

[lusty rapids]

do a 360 and moonwalk away

there's also the PSP version

[naive whale]

So odd. I specifically didn’t test the patch because it’s so hard if it doesn’t work…is it the core or the modded files?

[naive whale]

Go home. You are drunk. PS1 doesn’t have Maria

[polar geode]

PSP version, or the PS4 Requiem collection will allow playing as Maria, but she plays completely differently than the Saturn version, similar to her playstyle in Rondo

[burnt matrix]

Maybe not having Maria is a bonus 👀

[naive whale]

He says as he sits in a bar drinking lol

[polar geode]

She's jailbait anyway

[naive whale]

Maybe not having you is a bonus. BAN HIM! 😂

[burnt matrix]

lmao

[lusty rapids]

boom roasted

[polar geode]

Don't listen to this guy Robby, he wouldn't even tell me what model # his cool VCR is

[burnt matrix]

He knows me too well lol

[naive whale]

They should rename the game Castlevania: Robby’s Brain is a Symphony of Bad Opinions

[burnt matrix]

[polar geode]

Castlevania: Robdo of Poor Taste

[naive whale]

No I get it. It’s not technically the best version. But it’s my fav version and I’ll die on that hill

[burnt matrix]

Fine, im gonna go play Bug Too and not tell you how good it is!

[lusty rapids]

I highly doubt you can resist

[polar geode]

I still havent converted you to Super Tempo?

Im losing my touch

[naive whale]

Bug Too; Electric BUGaloo…no BUG noooo. Don’t go near the electricity!! (ZAPP)

[burnt matrix]

lol

[naive whale]

And Bug is dead

[burnt matrix]

I mean honestly, more content = better imo

[burnt matrix]

Saturn is so great, I love this core

[lusty rapids]

we all know Idol Mahjong Final Romance R is the best saturn game anyway

[burnt matrix]

Is that a real game

[lusty rapids]

yes

[polar geode]

No no, Welcome to Pia Carrot is the best

[lusty rapids]

does it have mahjong tho

[polar geode]

Real Gs play Go

[burnt matrix]

OH GOD

but like why

[lusty rapids]

lol

[burnt matrix]

I just watched a video of the Switch port

[lusty rapids]

what? it's just a nice wholesome game of mahjong

also real gs play shogi

[burnt matrix]

yeah

[lusty rapids]

that's why we need the SNES core to have that one NEC chip implemented so we can play that one shogi game

[burnt matrix]

for preservation

[polar geode]

But it's smart, that's why you have to wait for it to figure out what to do

[burnt matrix]

I really hope the Saturn blows up in popularity as a byproduct of the MiSTer core

I know I’m being silly

But it’s such a cool system, I don’t feel like I hear enough about it

[polar geode]

Hello? Yes? Whats that? You say everyone has shit taste but bathead?

[burnt matrix]

lol what

[lusty rapids]

there's so many saturns at any hard off I go to

you want saturns robby? I got saturns

we can blow 'em up

lots of "gold edition" saturns in the junk section

[burnt matrix]

It’s cheap there? That’s cool. I think they’re like $100+ USD here

[lusty rapids]

depending on condition yeah, but definitely less than $100 for a working saturn and controller with cables

maybe approaching that for a A quality CIB saturn

also by "gold edition" I'm being tongue-in-cheek, that's ones that have turned yellow from uv rot and/or being smoked near for years

[errant sand]

whoops, i think i corrupted my games folder on my SD... does mister have a chkdsk for the SD?

[lusty rapids]

those are super cheap, if you want a project

[burnt matrix]

https://youtu.be/f7gxfCqxWnI

[trim nimbus]

Could be worse, I bought MoHS on the sega cd (as well as double switch; I had really poor taste in games apparently)

[still maple]

Yes I think I played through half of the game earlier, even with the picture off-center.

I never opened my sealed copy of double switch. The Sega CD version really takes a hit on compression quality

[sudden tusk]

Wish I could save

[still maple]

Once you finish MOHS and Double Switch, I highly recommend SEWER SHARK.

[sudden tusk]

I recommend WIREHEAD

[old pasture]

I'm gonna try the US BIOS next. As I've pretty much exhausted all the Japanese variations.

Also, it made it into the game once, only once out of over a hundred attempts, and that was in a slow SD, the one that came with the DE10 NANO.

[naive whale]

My specs; 1.01U bios, SanDisk extreme 256GB Micro SD, 2.9 RAM module. Little bit of luck

[old pasture]

Btw, I don't have a bios that's 1.01U
The one I have is 1.01a

I have to wait a bit before testing as it's 4am over here

And my wife is looking for excuses to kill me.

If I go missing suspiciously, it was my wife

[old pasture]

The one time I got to control the character it was on the English translated version.

[errant sand]

yeah no luck on my end with different bios

same pack as @old pasture

from samba and from SD, same same

one step at a time 🙂

[old pasture]

I'll do some more testing later with the USA bios files this time.
My specs are pretty much identical to @naive whale
But none of My SD cards are the extreme ones (I think)

Btw, @drifting frigate thanks, I bought the extension you recommend. It's awesome

[errant sand]

same results using samba shares for me @old pasture

[old pasture]

I have Samba switched on, but I only ever use it to move small files.

So I always run from the SD

[errant sand]

yeah i usually dont, my saturn and psx etc are all on samba. but have tested the rom on the SD too, same same

[drifting frigate]

I'm also on samba for all my disc games. I just played Maria from intro to the top of the chapel, where a floating skeleton torso decided I was done. But apart from the weird graphical glitches, no problems.

[errant sand]

😦

[old pasture]

Nice

[tawny forge]

Which one is the recommended for the core?

[mortal mist]

1.01 JAP

but others also work , I have not seen a difference

[old pasture]

Before today the hi-saturn 1.01 was working great for me

I mean it still works,

SotN is driving me crazy.

I'm leaving the house with my family for a walk and a visit to my cousin's house

[burnt matrix]

hahaha

[mortal mist]

resolution ? slowdowns ? lack of transparency ? it's not important, THIS IS CASTLEVANIA 😉

i love SotN

[burnt matrix]

Everyone doing their dailies on the Saturn core? I’ve completed two SotN runs this morning, expecting everyone here to have 5 done today.

[ancient surge]

The biggest question is whether Death Crimson works.

[warped cliff]

It worked in the previous build didn't it?

[naive whale]

and we never saw him again

@old pasture is going to the store for a pack of smokes. He will be back in 18 years

[old pasture]

Haha, back already

Must.... Not .....try SotN....again.....

[naive whale]

I was just playing SotN on my OG hardware on this new PVM

so pretty

[old pasture]

Nice

[sudden tusk]

Rondo is better than Sotn

[naive whale]

they cant even be compared. Diff genres

Rondo is the best of its genre

[polar geode]

Shh, dont say that, thats insider knowledge

No no no

Castlevania on Amiga is GOATed

[naive whale]

I distrust you now

you mean "walking with shit in his pants Belmont: the game"?

[polar geode]

Clearly, you have not spent any time with this "port".

Haunted Castle is sub mid. But there are far worse games in the series trust me

[naive whale]

he walks like he ate a truck stop egg sandwich in the game

[polar geode]

Cant look at that site at work

ST? No such port. Are you talking about the AGA port using resources from the X68k Akdra?

🤔

Yes, Novotrade made some pretty peak kusoge with that port. Sumo Bettle Dracula, Redneck Medusa, DIsco Frankenstein, zombie trolls, and that pitiful scream when Simon dies

Also the wrong music on the wrong levels

Keep your eyes peeled and you'll catch an Attack of The Mutant Camels cameo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p66G528Wp-M

Here is another one I'd take HC over

[verbal topaz]

Would a saturn multitap work with a snac adapter on the core?

[wooden dew]

Is Nocturne generally playable for someone who's played the SOTN before (language barrier wise)?

[polar geode]

Richter and Maria have no inventory, so no Japanese needed. Alucard does, so it's different there. There is a partial translation patch available.

[wooden dew]

Haha, but you make a good point. I could glean a lot from watching a longplay

[naive whale]

doing some testing / capturing now

Zero 3 was a no go. Always stopped loading after FMV capcom logo...no matter how hard I mashed start

Snatcher was great minus a few audio crackles here and there...plus the fact its in Japanese so I cant play it lol

Sexy Parodius seems perfect

hey OutRun finally works! Rev A

Havent tried yet

Sexy Parodius never loaded for me before

Space Harrier boots too. Thats new

at least in my experience

Space Harrier is a slideshow though

I am not capturing existing games that worked yet. In a week or so I will look for improvements

[polar geode]

I mean.. Saturn Outrun is kinda better IMO..

[naive whale]

Space Harrier was 6 fps mode oddly

Cyberbots loads. Thats new for me

[polar geode]

2 Genesis games, no bonus additions IIRC

Thunder Force Gold Pack 2 gives you Thunderforce AC though

Well, it's there and such. I prefer 4 myself over 3

Gorgeous game.

[naive whale]

D-Xhird still freezes on load

Darius II works great but SO LOUD

[polar geode]

turn the volume pot down on the pcb 🫂

[naive whale]

😆

Densha De Go...still wont load. Not a huge loss but its a funny game

@old pasture tried SonT 1.5 Extend. Loads fine

same setup as I told you before

if anything Extend 1.5 felt better than actual Nocturne but I may just be seeing things

[polar geode]

I found it to be quite the improvement

[naive whale]

Final Fight Revenge is not booting for me but I heard its working so...not sure

rebooting to test again

nope

Super Puzzle Fighter 2 loads

and runs fine but mute

[hard reef]

Have you tried the US Sega Ages compilation that has Space Harrier on it? That one ran better for me than the JPN stand-alone did.

[naive whale]

no I just tried JPN

Zero 3 was a no load for me

[old pasture]

Thanks I tried that too, but no joy

I'll give it another shot later/tomorrow

[naive whale]

funny you cant get that to load and I cant get Zero 3 / Final Fight Revenge to work

Zero 2 still freezes at now loading after selecting arcade mode too for me

no SF for this kid lol

[old pasture]

Zero 3, or in fact none of the CPS2 fighters work. Final Fight no issues

[naive whale]

Hey Chase HQ + SCI boots now!

thats new

[old pasture]

I loved SCI in the arcade. What a game

[naive whale]

Works well too

bit of audio issue but otherwise solid

Virtua Cop still freezes after loading

Steep Slope Sliders is still a no load

got to name select on Panzer Dragoon Saga but then failed to load. Furthest Ive ever gotten but

[ripe valley]

Are you with a single RAM board ?

[naive whale]

yes

well I have dual too but its not build out

[ripe valley]

OK, I was asking because I have very different (better) results compared to a lot of people after 3 days of testing.
I'm with a dual RAM (v2.9) board and the games are on a USB stick.
Only Shinobi Legions and Guardian Heroes have regressed on my system (no-go even after 20 tries).

[lyric badger]

Personally I am waiting to play Last Bronx, Fighters Megamix, Elevator Action Returns, Virtual On and Sega Rally. Once those games work I am definitely gonna be on the Saturn core a lot lol.

[drifting frigate]

I keep lucking out with Virtua Cop somehow.

[naive whale]

got any longer captures? I can throw it in the vid as an example of "mileage may vary"

[drifting frigate]

I can absolutely get one. I was doing this one one-handed. I'll grab it after I'm done cooking lunch.

[naive whale]

begs the question of what the second hand was getting after 😆

in my imagination...big ass hoagie

[drifting frigate]

HAH! Second hand was balancing the rolling cart I wheeled out since I was using a wired Saturn pad.

My capture station recently suffered a monitor loss so I had to move it near my PC.

[naive whale]

got hoagie dressing on it didnt you

[drifting frigate]

It's GRINDER where I'm from, sonny!

[naive whale]

me too but hoagie sounds funnier

they are grinders in Vermont

[drifting frigate]

I'm a Hoagie fan just because of Day of the Tentacle.

[naive whale]

haha

[old pasture]

Lol, I'm the one on the right

[naive whale]

lol we've all been a bit busy this week it seems

people can stop releasing new shit this week any time

I am so tired of editing I am doing it with my feet up 😂

[polar geode]

Im having good luck with EA2

Ooh, pretty colors

[naive whale]

thats how I remember it looking on real hardware lol

[hard reef]

I have a similar setup to you (dual 2.9) - do you have a regression with Digital Pinball Necronomicon? I’m sure I had it working last time.
@naive whale Zero 3 works ok for me (with the 4mb cart on ofc)

[naive whale]

maybe a TINY bit more yellow

never tested that one

[polar geode]

I tried to go visit my tree homie in the underground garden, but the core froze on the loading screen

[ancient surge]

Dracula's Piss Room

[polar geode]

Protip: Don't blade dash through Slogra and Gaibon directly into a corner under the overhang

[ripe valley]

Same as you, green screen on that game.
Regression compared to previous core/main Mister changes.

[polar geode]

This current core release really lives up the name "Unstable" to be honest, consistency between setups is iffy and even between boots

[polar geode]

I mean, I always thought the Granfalloon/Legion room in SOTN/NITM was basically his food waste room

[drifting frigate]

I'm stoked I finally got to play Groove On Fight. It's got graphical bugs, but it plays pretty damned well.

[full shore]

Sadly Final Fight Revenge does boot for me. v2.9 single ram and JP1.01 bios. Seems fully playable

[full shore]

Loads for me, I was able to play through it with Gouki

[drifting frigate]

I also can't get FFR to load, but SFZ3 loads and plays great (sound cuts out at the beginning of every sample, but it PLAYS smooth).

[polar geode]

Zero 3's best ports are on the Street Fighter Alpha Anthology on PS2 (preferred by tourney players for accuracy) or the PSP port with additional characters from CVS2.

Saturn has World Tour mode over the PS2 ports though.

[cunning citrus]

Capcom did a great job with Alpha 3 PSX port though, using polys to cover some effects was clever.

[untold lintel]

but realistically nobody has used the PS2 port for a decade bc of fightcade/superguns

[sudden tusk]

What? That’s sad

[naive whale]

It is. Wanted to feature it in the vid

[sudden tusk]

Bummer dude

Did you enable the 4mb cart option on the menu?

[sudden tusk]

I have beaten it with Cody haggard and el gado so far

Poison run today for sure

[sudden tusk]

Luckily for me all the local monthly’s are played on actual cps2 and 3 hardware

Next one is this weekend ..

[polar geode]

Doesn't CPS2 Alpha 3 lack a bunch of characters from Upper? The Upper on the PS2 Alpha Collection was basically the CPS2 version with the additional content added in IIRC, and not based on Naomi/DC

[sudden tusk]

Not a bunch .. maybe a few

[wooden dew]

The sound can definitely be scratchy and loud at times, fair warning.

[polar geode]

Not so bad, my ears were bleeding from watching a ZX Spectrum homebrew game already though so I guess it's deafness by degrees

[wooden dew]

I seem to get it during the post-level cutscene transitions, I think maybe the volume has been tempered a bit since the last build.

[naive whale]

yep

[sudden tusk]

Well shit … no big loss plenty of other stuff working

[polar geode]

Tim Follin was proud of his work on the Speccy, but also described the results as sounding like "nails in a vacuum cleaner"

[noble ferry]

Anyone had any luck with Radiant Silvergun on single SDRAM?

[untold prism]

I am not having any luck.
I seem to be even more all over the place with this update. 03/26 unstable Mister + recent rbf + JP bios.

[polar geode]

The 128k had an AY-3-8912, generally when referring to shitty ZX Spectrum sound/music people are referring to 16/48

https://media.tenor.com/jOjqeitayKIAAAAC/sangrando-ear-bleed.gif

yeah thats the nails in a vacuum cleaner

https://youtu.be/U56KVYK5uTg

I mean we didnt have it much better over here ><

And people call Genesis music farty

[naive whale]

our favorite @drifting frigate got me a quick capture of Final Fight Revenge. I don't care what everyone says about him...I think he's alright 😆

[drifting frigate]

Just convince the court....

[polar geode]

He's the nicest Andorian you are likely to meet

Now if he'd just stop rifling through my trash..

[naive whale]

he's the servers own special trash panda

[sudden tusk]

I say it’s queefy ..

[winter phoenix]

A translated manual in PDF form (that I made!) is included with the English localization patch's ZIP file here: https://segaxtreme.net/resources/bulk-slash-english.105/

[drifting frigate]

Woah thanks! I really enjoyed what I played. I can't wait to go in with some more info.

[winter phoenix]

No problem! I hope it helps (and is fun to read through)

[untold spear]

i can't wait until this is done so i can sell the saturn

the ram cart needs to be positioned just right, or else it does nothing

drives me nuts

[lusty rapids]

those cart slots on the saturns can get finicky over time

[acoustic sable]

They really do. Trace cracks also. Lots of recommends to loosen the plastic slot's boltdowns or strip cart shells off entirely

[slate karma]

How are people going with booting Sega Rally on the new core? Mine was definitely working before but just get a plain white screen now. Single v2.4 XSD RAM, which tested is stable at 142MHz. Just wondering if it's RAM speed or there's something else, and if there's something we can modify in the Quartus files to get it working.

[ancient surge]

As I dig through the library, I'm noticing a trend where games are at the point of "almost flawless".

Like right now I'm digging through the Japanese library, and a common trend is games just having glitchy audio and maybe a minor graphical glitch.

For context I'm using the dual RAM build, so I don't know how the single RAM fares.

[drifting frigate]

I'm in.

2.9, 150. Also I'm using a SAMBA share, which has higher throughput.

[mortal mist]

Works with 2.9 , the problem is with 2.4/2.5

This will probably change in some time, remember this is still an alpha

[ancient surge]

Once the audio issues with the SCSP DSP sound gets fixed, I feel like that would automatically fix a lot of games at once.

[burnt matrix]

There’s a spelling error on page 5.

[sudden tusk]

Busy practicing rondo of blood no death 100% runs like a real alpha male

[winter phoenix]

🪦

[polar geode]

Go for it. When you're ready for the ultimate challenge VS Castlevania with all dips set to hard is waiting.

[burnt matrix]

lol I’m kidding there isn’t

[winter phoenix]

I think there are a couple errors but I never issued a new corrected version so 🤷‍♂️

[slate karma]

Are there speed differences with 2.4/2.5 and 2.9, or is there something else that is causing the issue? Might be tempted to order a v2.9 stick if it's guaranteed to work, even if it means there'll be fewer hassles with other more advanced cores in the future.

[ancient surge]

Has anyone had success in booting up Shinobi Legions?

[green jacinth]

Anyone else get this kind of glitch?

Just updated mister and saturn

2.9 ram

[polar geode]

Yes, normal

Well, for now at least

[green jacinth]

K thx

Happens on both translation and vanilla

Is being able to save new to this release?

In general?

[polar geode]

I dont think saving is supported yet, at least I havent had any luck with it

[green jacinth]

I saved and loaded in both sotn and Albert odyssee

That was without reboot in between

[polar geode]

Weird, I couldnt save my game as Maria in NITM

[green jacinth]

I rebooted a moment ago I'll go back and check

Trying grandia now it's looking bad as far as video

[polar geode]

Damn, I thought there was a grandpa game on Saturn I didnt know about

[green jacinth]

Lol