Sega Saturn

[visual grove]

Segata Sanshiro-san is very disappoint!

[burnt matrix]

I don’t get Nights 😢

[thorn pagoda]

don't worry no-one does

there isn't that much to get even, in reaity

[sharp comet]

it's pilotwings with harliquin

[thorn pagoda]

its just not very good

[burnt matrix]

I think it’s neat but I definitely wanted something else at the time, I played and had fun flying in circles but I was very much wanting something more traditional

[blazing lance]

I've been living a lie

There was an analog controller and I was forced to play Nights without it

[lusty rapids]

did you even have a childhood

[visual grove]

Yeah if it weren’t for the VFs and maybe Sega Rally I would have been pretty mad about the Saturn. But in the end it was a better system than WiiU for my usage just by virtue of the virtua

[burnt matrix]

why is your comedic timing so perfect lmao

[lusty rapids]

it's not me it's the strong zeroes

[burnt matrix]

I can’t get strong zeroes in Texas even though we have a Mitsuwa (Japanese grocery store) 😭

Never tried it

[lusty rapids]

blame weird US tax law. It's cost prohibitive to put a 9% liquor and soda mix into a can

where as in Japan it's the cheapest garbage you can get ahold of

it's like whiteclaw on steroids

[untold lintel]

The real tech is using strong zero as a mixer for vodka/rum drinks

[pearl harbor]

Everywhere did. I have the US version for my Saturn.

[winter phoenix]

Try Dead or Alive. Almost all of that is in English but it’s a Japanese exclusive

That’s pretty worrying about SRG. Maybe he just suspended his Patreon because he doesn’t have reliable enough electricity to work on the core right now? Who knows.

Is anyone able to contact him?

[amber lichen]

anyone having issues running doom on saturn core? Mine i stuck at teh green loading screen. I tried multiple versions of doom. I wonder if I have bad RAM?

[mortal mist]

No , it's just that it's core in pre-alpha version and many people get different results

Core works best with sdram version 2.9 , and doom works best with dual sdram

[amber lichen]

I see. I only have single RAM and my SDRAM is probably old since I bougth mister 1-2 years ago

[mortal mist]

So I wouldn't assume a faulty ram in the first place

[amber lichen]

I saw videos that doom was running and I couldn't get mine to run

[mortal mist]

Other cores working ok?

[amber lichen]

I only tried bug and doom and bug works

[mortal mist]

There is really nothing to worry about

[amber lichen]

ok ty, I was afraid I probably got one of the first gen sdram and it won't be compatible with saturn since doom wouldn't run

[mortal mist]

There is probably nothing to debate at the moment, it is worth waiting for the core to mature

[amber lichen]

yea, I will. Thanks

[mortal mist]

It may be that dual sdram will be required for the best compatibility, we don't know that

At the moment it is also recommended by the srg320

[analog totem]

obligatory post that makes this channel pop up on my sidebar

[drifting gulch]

Just right click on the channel name and click follow, then it will always be visible.

[analog totem]

eh, potato puhtoto

[fallen terrace]

Still debating the merits of vga output versus dual ram.

[burnt matrix]

As an owner of dual ram I don’t really see the benefit other than some Saturn games work better and I’m able to use the janky Atari Jaguar core since that requires dual ram

But most importantly I’m able to lord my superiority over all you single ram plebeians

[lusty rapids]

this problem is solved with multiple misters

💸

[fallen terrace]

I did consider it, but then bills...

Plebianism is underrated.

[burnt matrix]

Lol

[lusty rapids]

who needs a home when you have mister

hook it up in your local library

[quaint dove]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

Directvideo

[lusty rapids]

inb4 sir periwinkle snake of baskets says this is solved by getting an oled and throwing your crts in the pool

[burnt matrix]

CRT stands for Can’t Resist Terribleness

cast off your retro shackles and join the OLED revolution brother!

Imagine all the possibilities you’ll unlock with Dual Ram! Maybe play Atari Karts on the Jaguar? I think Quake Saturn runs better? That’s kind of it,

[quaint dove]

I'm doing directivdeo to a 35" trinitron with s-video and getting ready to take out my analog IO board so that I can dual wield sdram.

Finally loading my Saturn ROMs onto my MiSTer HDD...

Using xcopy of all things due to being sick and tired of Windows explorer crashing.

[fallen terrace]

I kinda like having both so I can drive my crt and split the hdmi off to a rotatable 17" lcd for tate purposes cos I'm not game to turn my CRT on its side so I can play DoDonPachi 🙂

[quaint dove]

That is an extremely valid reason and the main thing that has kept me back... But I've decided to sadly rely on my PC to emulate my TATE games.

My CRT has a nonremovable stand and weighs 298lbs so flipping it is out of the question.

[burnt matrix]

I just tilt my head sideways

[fallen terrace]

Mine is a 20" PVM which is about a third of that and I'm still not keen.

[quaint dove]

I tried playing DDP in Yoko mode with the controls rotated to match and my brain just can't cope

I've got a 24" monitor in permanent portrait mode on my computer for work, so that's where I do my DDP sessions.

[burnt matrix]

My dream is to have a rotatable HDTV mount

[lusty rapids]

I mean if your TV has a vesa mount, that's within the realm of possibility

[sudden trench]

They exist - just expensive for the better ones

[tiny flare]

PC monitors are good for this, they also often have VRR and happily accept whacky refresh rates, as a nice bonus

[novel turret]

I have 3 CRTs in my setup, lol. Two VGA monitors (horizontal and vertical with a VGA matrix, so I can play tate games if need be), as well as a CRT TV, if I want to play lightgun games or whatnot.

So, maintaining analog-out from the MiSTer is pretty important for me. Dual-SDRAM is not something that would work for me 😅

[edgy hollow]

Got lucky and found a cheap sega saturn to dc converter for like $7 (total control 3)

Sold for $120 at least on ebay

[silver cloak]

I feel like I recognize your pfp’s art style, X-pert

[wraith echo]

What do you plan to use it for?

[edgy hollow]

Virtual on for dreamcast using my saturn twin sticks

Too cheap to buy the dc twin sticks

[tiny flare]

Lucky, I’ve wanted one of those for ages, the Dreamcast dpad is so garbage compared to saturn

[wraith echo]

I can understand the Saturn twin stick reason, but aren't there other routes if you just want to use something with a decent d-pad?

[edgy hollow]

Yeah. Hated the dc controller for 2d fighters. Saturn feels so comfy

Saturn pads are really good though

[tiny flare]

There’s the ascii pad I guess, but that’s not quite as good as a real Saturn pad and also a little pricey for what it is

[edgy hollow]

Although would you say retrobits are close?

Pc/saturn version

[tiny flare]

Yeah the retro bit dpad is not bad, I have the wired USB pad and it’s pretty close to the real deal, but the build quality of the rest of the pad is not great

[wraith echo]

The Ascii pad is ridiculously priced now. I was thinking why not use something with a Wingman SD?

[edgy hollow]

Wingmans are only good for fighting games imo like 6 button fighting games since they use ps1 style settings.

Otherwise, you need to be able to remap for other games

I am considering blue retro since you can remap but its website ui is clunky

[wraith echo]

I'm trying to think of something that requires a lot of d-pad use aside from fighting games.

Are there any exclusive 2D platformers?

[edgy hollow]

Bug but 2.5d

[tiny flare]

Plenty of shooters too

[edgy hollow]

Astal but dont think it's very dpad sensitive

Although arent most shooters kind of better with sticks due to turbo?

Although i only have the virtua stick

[tiny flare]

I’m more of a pad player, but yeah a stick would work too

[edgy hollow]

So how playable was Segata Sanshirou: Shinken Yuugi? and is it worth a try?

[sudden tusk]

Anybody looking for a good tate consumer set .. I present to you the Toshiba AF series ! Perfectly shaped for tate !

[sudden tusk]

Same here

[novel turret]

It's from Rain, my favorite webcomic :3 It just concluded its story last year, in fact

[kind quarry]

i wish i had the room for something similar. i have a multi system and want to make use of the SCART output someday.

[kind quarry]

yo this looks so fun! nice

[delicate mantle]

I picked up a Flo monitor arm off ebay, and it's awesome but they are a bit pricey.

https://www.hermanmiller.com/products/accessories/technology-support/flo-monitor-arms/

I've got the Pioneer elite set up for most tate usage.

[fallen terrace]

Fwiw, MiSTer Addons is supposedly working on an analog board that allows 2 ram modules but it's not high on his list of priorities. Maybe one day!

[fallen terrace]

Wingman SD lets you remap everything to everything else. I used it so that I was able to use my Thrustmaster wheel and pedals to play Daytona on the DC. Can also use my Mayflash F500 fightstick with it.

[quaint dove]

Can’t get Galactic Attack/Layer Section past a black screen. Will dual SDRAM fix that?

[analog totem]

@quaint dove it might…Galactic Attack ran fine for me and i have dual ram…what version is your ram stick? I know I had issues with a couple of games that were resolved when I made sure my v2.9 was made the primary ram and I moved my 2.5 stick to secondary

[quaint dove]

Honestly can’t remember.

Got it from MiSTeraddons in October 2020

[analog totem]

that might be a 2.9 then but I can’t remember

[fallen terrace]

Works OK for me here, analog output, single stick from misteraddons.

Using Japan 1.01 bios which might help?

Never played it before, pretty fun game actually.

[quaint dove]

Believe so. The recommended one from the FAQ. I’ll check my sdram version later.

[plush jetty]

Same setup for me and it runs great

[edgy hollow]

yeah that bios is the recommended bios but I'm lazy and use the region free bios

hopefully we can use it like we use the region free Sega CD bios

[turbid crescent]

Anyone had details on sgr situation? Since his patreon seems deactivated.

[drifting frigate]

Paypal JUST went through for me! Held for 6 days, but it finally went.

Literally 1 minute ago

[winter phoenix]

for SRG's Patreon?

[drifting frigate]

Direct donation, I haven't had my patreon process this month yet.

And Patreon still shows Not a Number for payment. But at least paypal is processing again.

[fallen terrace]

The media has become bored of the situation so need to go actively hunting for updates these days. 😦

[sudden trench]

I follow some Ukrainian media but it’s impossible to sort out what is true from propaganda

[turbid crescent]

Sadly no way to directly reach him to see if he's ok, right?

Sent him a pm on Patreon... hopefully he replies.

[sharp comet]

alexey just talked with him a few days ago, he's fine

the patreon stuff seems like just patreon weirdness

he didn't close it or anything

probably patreon having to work around occupied warzone or something along those lines

[drifting frigate]

I figured 'maybe his bank got blowed up.'

But...thank you. Huge relief!

[acoustic sable]

Oh that's great news. Thanks Kitrinx

[burnt matrix]

That's an awesome update, thank you so much for sharing it.

[cunning citrus]

Great news, thank you.

[drowsy hull]

good to hear

[turbid crescent]

Thanks a lot for the update! 🥳

[grim pewter]

On the global settings / membership it still shows a $ value for SRG though

[wraith echo]

https://tenor.com/view/whew-goldblum-gif-13386685

[fallen terrace]

Maybe he could go bunk at Krikzz's place.

[edgy hollow]

Maybe they'll make a cheaper fenrir alternative together

that uses the cartridge slot

[wraith echo]

And has the MPEG card integrated into it?

[edgy hollow]

I mean it would beat satiator lol

[bitter vector]

How stable is the current build? All's I'm really interested in is Sega Rally.

[mortal mist]

game works ok, problem is with sound/music

[bitter vector]

Ah. Ok. I'll give it a pass for now. Cheers Kuba.

[subtle tusk]

I've seen this too, for a few folks I support. I sent Patreon a message and they said it's a bug that doesn't mean your support isn't going through.

[turbid crescent]

There is an early build that has music but no SFX/Voices. I can PM you later if you want.

Gameplay is fine, just the sound is missing.

[bitter vector]

I'm ok but thank you. Genuinely appreciate the offer. I'm waiting for a 'perfect' Saturn interpretation.

[turbid crescent]

Got it! Sega Rally on the Saturn is my favorite rally game to this day. So many hours put into it.

One of my main reasons to turn on my saturn.

[bitter vector]

Honestly? I'm no fan of the Saturn barring a few curiosities in its library. Sega Rally definitely one of them.

[turbid crescent]

Once the core is finish a lot of people will be surprised by what it has to offer. A lot of it is arcade related, but some great gems too.
Since I grew up with arcades in the 90's it's one of my favorite consoles.

[bitter vector]

That and Panzer.

I like you grew up with Arcades in the 90's but I never owned a Saturn. I had a friend who did and remember Sega Rally in particular very fondly. I'm more a PS2 and N64 fan, from that period.

[turbid crescent]

Panzer Dragoon 1/2 and Azel are great.
Orta is also really good if you have the means to play it.

[bitter vector]

I have Orta. Played via Series X BC is awesome.

It holds up pretty great.

[turbid crescent]

Some of the arcade ports are available on mister already, but not all of it and saturn was a 2d monster (weirdly enough a 2d console first, even though Sega in the arcades reigned in 3d).

[bitter vector]

Yeah. That's where we are spoiled to some extent with MiSTer. A lot of those great Arcade ports on Saturn are now playable literally Arcade perfect on MiSTer.

[turbid crescent]

Yeah, there is still a lot of it... also saturn had it's arcade version (just like PSX) with some great games too. So there is still a considerate amount of games.
Too bad a lot of things didn't make it to the west. Saturn was huge in japan. Being a saturn owner back in the day in the west wasn't fun. LOL

Anyways... between this and CPS3 I think we'll see a lot fo progress in the core this year.

[drifting frigate]

His membership tiers are also gone and I've not been charged for only that Patreon for two months. But good to know. Thanks for checking! I'm just stoked someone has heard from him.

[wooden dew]

258 releases in US and 1265 releases in JP

Such a staggering gulf between JPN and US exclusives

[tiny flare]

Makes sense given the staggering gulf in sales of the actual console itself

[winter phoenix]

plus another 34 games that came out in Europe but not North America

[untold lintel]

Wow didn’t realize it was quite that big a difference

[wooden dew]

Are there any French language saturn exclusives worth playing? I've always wanted to play a non-english exclusive but don't know Japanese.

[winter phoenix]

I guess that depends on what you consider "worth" playing. I honestly haven't checked out any of the European exclusives except for Wipeout 2097. I'm sorry I don't have a list of all of them right now but I'm planning on compiling one soon.

If I had to throw a few out there that are probably pretty good, I'd say Keio Flying Squadron 2, Parodius, Riven and the aforementioned Wipeout 2097. And maybe "Dragon Ball Z La Grande Legende Des Boules De Cristal" if you're a big DBZ fan...

Deep Fear, which was released in Europe, didn't come out in North America, either, although a North American beta is floating around the Internet (they apparently intended on releasing it here but decided not to)

[burnt matrix]

To add onto @winter phoenix's list above, these three EU exclusives are worth checking out as well:

• Formula Karts - Special Edition
• Street Racer
• Z

@wooden dew this link may also help - https://segaretro.org/List_of_Saturn_games_in_France

[wooden dew]

Sweet, I'll check it out

[clear condor]

from a quick Wikipedia scrape:
NA only: 16
PAL only: 11
JP only: 770
NA/PAL only: 39
NA/JP only: 22
PAL/JP only: 22
All regions: 166
Total: 1046

[lusty rapids]

must learn all the languages to have the truest saturn gaming experience

[tiny flare]

I feel pretty safe in assuming that I won't be interested in anything that never came out on saturn in Japan

[clear condor]

you're missing out on uhh, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3? Tempest 2000?

Duke Nukem 3D????

[edgy hollow]

Wonder how many photo cds for Saturn were made. Wonder how well those VF2 photo CD singles were sold

[winter phoenix]

The absolute disrespect for Formula Karts

[burnt matrix]

I swear it’s a fun little game. It’s of course no Daytona or Sega Rally but the game looks and plays nice.

[wraith echo]

Like with Doom, I reckon it's just better to go the source port route.

[tiny flare]

so I was throwing shade on western games and PC ports and stuff like that above, but actually the Duke3D Saturn port is really cool, it was done using the same engine as PowerSlave, which is a really cool shooter that had some really nice features on saturn like real time coloured lighting

definitely one of those few ports that went above and beyond

they also did the Saturn port of Quake using the same engine, which is also really cool

probably still not the preferred way to play the game in 2023 in either case, but still worth going back and briefly checking out if you are into that sort of thing

[wraith echo]

Oh, yeah, I guess it could serve as a mild curiosity for those who have already played it on PC.

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, PowerSlave is awesome. It has some Metroid style elements to it where you revisit areas as you obtain new abilities to access new areas and levels. It also did first person platform jumping better than most during that generation. Definitely ahead of its time. It kind of did the Metroid Prime thing before Metroid Prime.

[thorn pagoda]

bear in mind powerslave is quite different on pc

not bad, but its less metroidy

[burnt matrix]

It’s also pretty different on vinyl but equally as good

[pearl harbor]

The new remaster of the game is very good. It's a combination of both the Saturn and PS1 versions.

[noble escarp]

I've finished the older PowerslaveEX port and I loved it. I don't know if there's any difference to the new, commercial version.

[winter phoenix]

The Saturn/PS1 version of PowerSlave is vastly different to the PC version. The new PowerSlave: Exhumed remake uses the Saturn version as a base and adds the levels and enemies that were exclusive to the PS1 version.

[tidal raptor]

it's so cool that finally came out, thought it was never gonna get a proper re-release

[quaint dove]

I really enjoyed the recent remake.

Remaster. Whatever it was.

[thorny ridge]

Hello everyone

Im trying to install the Saturn core on my mister, however, Im new in this.. Do you know where I can find the instructions in order to install it?

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer I found this

[hollow sierra]

You can find the compiled core in #unstable-nightlies here: #unstable-nightlies message

There is a Saturn Core faq which includes installation instructions here: #1046941029296779344 message

[analog totem]

I lovvvve Powerslave but I hate that stupid first water level, I can’t beat it

and once I do like two attempts I’m burnt out and have to wait a while before I feel like trying again 😅

[burnt matrix]

every time I see a link to the github I get real excited for a split second and then realize what the post is about lol

[edgy hollow]

yeah, the only time I'll believe it's real is if the latest is far from the last chat I'v eread

[edgy hollow]

OMG, my sega saturn with fenrir arrived. Still stuck at work but the website sent me a notification. Thought it would arrive with my mayflash converter that I overpaid for because I am dumb.

[mortal mist]

congrats!

[edgy hollow]

thnaks, I'll post my haul at /r/segasaturn lol

[mortal mist]

my Victor ❤️

fenrir + fram mod and recap done

while waiting for saturn core 🙂

[edgy hollow]

Wish my victor card worked with fenrir for vcds

[edgy hollow]

Is it possible to make castlevania english and use 4mb cart patch? Or is it one or the other?

[mortal mist]

never tried

[turbid crescent]

tried the 4mb patch with phoebe. Very little difference back them. Was there any v2 of the patch?

[edgy hollow]

There were updates iirc but it's mostly still japanese

Videos really show almost psx smooth

[turbid crescent]

On emulators, last I checked.

On real hardware, it remains almost the same.

[edgy hollow]

Ah that's disappointing

Oh well psp version it is then

Although probably should play bloodlines first

[turbid crescent]

yup... on emulators it is really smooth. I may be wrong but I downloaded it as soon as word of it got out.

try for yourself, maybe things changed. Start with the original and compare.

[edgy hollow]

@mortal mist are you team scart, svideo, component, composite?

Annoyingly, component cable i got was bad.

[turbid crescent]

I remember KOF 95 got a patch too, but only for bootleg 4mb carts.

[edgy hollow]

Probably will just skip to psp, since the english tramslation is slow on saturn. Lije laughably bad

[mortal mist]

scart 🙂

[edgy hollow]

Asian tv. So no scart oh well

And want to use both crt and lcd

[turbid crescent]

ossc?

[edgy hollow]

Currently ossc + add on thingy but moving to r5x pro

[turbid crescent]

r5x became too expensive for now to me, specially after mister.

[edgy hollow]

Yeah like more than half the price and only 2 inputs

[turbid crescent]

hard to justify the buy, if almost everything is already hooked up to OSSC via scart

[edgy hollow]

Wish they didnt cheap out on the scart converter

[turbid crescent]

• mister

[edgy hollow]

Yeah mister + retro consoles that are too much fir mister = fun

[burnt matrix]

@edgy hollow pick up anything else cool, my friend?

[edgy hollow]

@burnt matrix Nothing new for saturn maybe a blueretro in the future

Here's what i have today, fenrir saturn arrived today (bought all starting last month)

Anyway gotta sleep

[winter phoenix]

No mouse? SMH ||just kidding, that’s a ton of Saturn stuff!)||

[edgy hollow]

I cleaned out locally lol

Like sorry retro collectors in my country

[plush jetty]

I’m just installed a Fenrir duo last night, but haven’t had time to fire it up yet

My Saturn looks a little different

If all you care about is good games, you should find that a 128 gb sd card is plenty of space

[mortal mist]

Yeah, 128gb is enough for me

[turbid crescent]

fullset is really big.

[mortal mist]

Indeed , but I like to have only my favourite games

[turbid crescent]

I'm thinking of having a 512gb sd for mister

I didn't fully setup my saturn yet but it already have a lot of fun stuff with 128gb

[edgy hollow]

I think fullset no double is like 800+

[fallen terrace]

I manage just fine with only 64 GB. Can only play so many games at once.

[wraith echo]

Off the top of my head, I can think of two reasons for having a high capacity SD card:

1. You are a travelling salesman

2. You have a New 3DS

[acoustic sable]

*glances at 400gig Switch and 512gig Dreamcast SDs” yep yep

[visual grove]

You are leaving out 3. Being too lazy to actively manage games on a thing

[tiny flare]

why yes, I am a travelling salesman, now please design me an algorithm to travel to all the places I need to go exactly once, for an arbitrary set of places, that runs in polynomial time

[acoustic sable]

I’m not sure I approve of polynomial time, it makes things happen too many at once.
Not saying I’m a fan of linear time either but it’s easier to organise a diary with.

[tiny flare]

I guess I didn't specify that I needed the shortest possible route, so I guess the algorithm just hands the list straight back to me

stunning, we've solved it in constant time

[acoustic sable]

0 not O!

More of this sort of thing

[tiny flare]

Now Big O, SHOWTIME!

[wraith echo]

Still need to watch that one...

[burnt matrix]

I got a 512GB and fully curate my library and added way too many games, still have 180GB free

[wraith echo]

I think that means it is time to expand your horizons and check out the dating sim/visual novel genre, of which there are many for the Saturn it seems.

[edgy hollow]

I know someone with 3 1TB cards on his switch

Also the virtua stick doesn't feel nice on games

Like tried out 2 shmups and i didn't like the feel of it even though it was responsive enough

@wraith echo are there many translated ones? Like I can only think of Sakura Taisen (sorta dating sim)

[acoustic sable]

I think I'd fit inside a 512gig (my 400gig is full) but that's with actually legit bought games.

[edgy hollow]

I mean 1TB can fill so many games

• switch has 32/64gb

Anyway, so have had my Saturn for 2 nights and I must say, I am enjoying itt more than my N64 that I've had for 6 months

and I actually played Mario 64 in UltraHLE when it came out

[wraith echo]

It looks translation efforts have been mainly going towards RPGs, judging by this list: https://www.reddit.com/r/SegaSaturn/comments/10i21uc/sega_saturn_fan_translation_projects/

Sorry to hear that Virtua stick isn't working out for you. Do you mainly use more traditional controllers?

[edgy hollow]

Been alternating between normal and 3d pad on most games

Did enjoy ysing neogeo asp via brook wingman

[turbid crescent]

Another one is organizing the collection. That's why some of us collect games and not just sell them as soon as we finish.

[winter phoenix]

Out of the 25 translations on that list, only five of them are RPGs or strategy RPGs. I guess if you don't count Shininig Force III scenarios 1 through 3 and its premium disc as all one thing, it goes up to eight out of 28. There's honestly a good variety of genres represented on that list.

There are mostly RPGs on the "playable/ongoing" list, though.

[plush jetty]

What kills me is curation across systems, like MiSTer vs Switch vs EmuELEC, not to mention that ideal game format for each can differ…

And two modded Arcade1up cabs

[burnt matrix]

@plush jetty living the dream! 🍻

[plush jetty]

Lol, now if only I had free time to play games…

[burnt matrix]

Does the Saturn have a lot of visual novels? What’s the gameplay like, just pressing A to continue the story? Genuine questions.

[edgy hollow]

Usually dating ones. So lots of dialogs and choices that branch

That determine if you end up with someone or not

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh ok, thanks for explaining

[edgy hollow]

Yeah not much gameplay

Focus is character development and story

Usually either good story or some kind of dating sim.

These days, they shoehorn in some gameplay sometimes

[untold lintel]

there's a ton of VNs on PSX

[burnt matrix]

did any ever get released in the US?

[edgy hollow]

Probably ps3 era had like steins gate

Psp got persona 3 portable technically

[untold lintel]

there's some translations of them

[edgy hollow]

Vita has a lot

[untold lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3-BRxB3Ky8

[burnt matrix]

I ask because in the translation list posted above one of the games was a visual novel so that got my curious. Thank you for the info. 🍻

[wraith echo]

Yes, that's what I was referring to earlier. I wonder what other non-RPG titles are worth translating.

[burnt matrix]

Tryrush Deppy?

[winter phoenix]

There are dozens upon dozens of them on Saturn

[wraith echo]

All I'm seeing are textless and voiceless cutscenes and Engrish congratulatory text for the endings. Interesting platformer though.

[burnt matrix]

Oh oops bad example then, haha

[edgy hollow]

I do wish langrisser 3 was translated somewhere

Saturn was wip only iirc

[wraith echo]

Yes, it seems that person who was working on it fell off the face of the earth around 2019: https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=23687.msg375153#msg375153

[edgy hollow]

So much for new hope

[ivory kindle]

has anyone heard from/seen srg320, coming up on two months since the last activity I see?

[burnt matrix]

yeah, Sorg reached out to him and he's fine - #1046941029296779344 message

[ivory kindle]

oh good

[naive whale]

Good to know he’s alright

And hope that stays the case

[drifting crown]

We all know it’s secretly you. Do another Saturn video so a new core appears

[burnt matrix]

the legend grows!

[naive whale]

Thursday

[wanton stream]

What’s the state on this?

Can it replace my sega Saturn console?

[untold lintel]

in the future, yes

its getting decently far along a lot of games are very playable, but lots of audio issues and the like still

[edgy hollow]

Not yet. You can't even keep saves and sounds kinda mostly not there

it will probably take more time for it to finish due to sorg's situation

also, my 2nd mission stick is on the way to me

and i bought that stupid virtua cop special pack just because I wanted a 2nd gun

[burnt matrix]

You can do what kids did on the NES, just don’t turn it off until you beat it!

[valid notch]

22

[pine bobcat]

sorg ≠ srg

[edgy hollow]

oh oops haha

[burnt matrix]

awbacon ≠ srg ?

jury is still out

[edgy hollow]

So do the wide screen hacks work?

http://meduza-team.ucoz.net/publ/romkhaking/modifikacii/modifikacija_igr_dlja_sega_saturn/3-1-0-5

[naive whale]

turn on the update spotlight @burnt matrix as I am doing Saturn in 2 minutes

https://youtu.be/69S6TKCPTWo

[edgy hollow]

Someone already disliked it... Probably lol

[naive whale]

lol not yet

but someone will. They always do!

[edgy hollow]

Missing manual of gun and vc2 but ordered vc2 separately. Not bad for total of $28, assuming vc2 gets sent

[naive whale]

good deal for box alone

[noble escarp]

The trolls. They're everywhere!

[edgy hollow]

I just wanted a 2nd gun for scud

And people at /r/segasaturn downvoting his videos

[naive whale]

lol if you like the comment best thing you can do is comment on the videos. YT loves that shit

[mortal mist]

I see that the question about the new core as always came up hahah.

[naive whale]

reddit loves to downvote

when I am on I will go upvote and leave a comment

[edgy hollow]

I know i always upvote and answer stuff there but secretly dislike your video

[naive whale]

lol

[wraith echo]

Really? How...strange. You would think that anything which brings positive attention to the Saturn library would be a good thing.

[acoustic sable]

🤷‍♂️ Reddit people

[naive whale]

Reddit loves to hate things. They are the Uncle Ruckus of the internet

They self hate what they built a community to show off 😂

[naive whale]

One time I released a bunch of 3DO prototypes that had never been released. Had like -14 on r/3DO

[mortal mist]

Nice 🤣

[tough star]

wait is there a new version?

[mortal mist]

Yes for 5000usd patron tier

🙃

[mortal mist]

No , it's december core

[tough star]

hope srg is ok

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[tough star]

ok

seems like shit is about to escalate there .... again

[mortal mist]

Unfortunately, everything points to this

[turbid crescent]

with the "proxy war" lasting this long... I'm afraid russians will press a button.

[pearl harbor]

Heathens!

[burnt matrix]

Remember everyone, the anagram of SEGA Saturn is anus grates

You’re welcome!

[sudden trench]

anus greats*

[naive whale]

If only the rest of the world would stop acting so fucking timid and just give them all the shit they want. Russia has proven they are no superpower

Can’t Vlad just fall out a window already so Ukraine can go back to living a good life and be left alone

[tough star]

the guy keeps on begging at every country that is willing to listen all while his people die and he enriches himself

this is fruitless - the whole place has been destroyed

horrendous war crimes have been committed from both sides

but this is not the right place to go into depth on this crap

[naive whale]

Very true

But Putin should still get taken care of by his own people permanently lol

@edgy hollow they finally showed up lol

My standard two downvotes

[mortal mist]

Soft emu bot 🤣

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that was me, haw haw get dabbed on

||Im kidding||

[mortal mist]

Don't lie

[drifting crown]

And we will continue to downvote you until you release the new core. Enough pretending to be an Ukrainian.

[burnt matrix]

[mortal mist]

@burnt matrix im kidding too 🍻

[burnt matrix]

Haha I know. You’re a hilarious dude, I appreciate you. 🍻

[mortal mist]

I know you couldn't do it 😋 , You love saturn, you love MiSTer and people 🙂

And you love Virtual Hydlide

[naive whale]

lol one downvote was from someone mad about ads

like they don't realize even if I DIDNT run ads, YouTube will run them anyway and keep ALL the $$

[drifting crown]

I gave you some upvotes in r/segasaturn to nullify the -1 from that chap saying you can just do the same with real hardware. Some people are just too precious. Probably worried their mint condition degrading plastic discs are gonna lose value.

[sharp comet]

actually some people, like myself, pay youtube to specifically NOT show ads and when youtubers do it anyway it's fucking us over

[naive whale]

how are you seeing ads if you pay for premium?

that's like the entire point of premium

[sharp comet]

I dont unless youtubers insert them as paid promotions

[naive whale]

lol well don't look at me

I refuse them all...I dont want to talk about world of warships or some janky ass lord title in my videos

[sharp comet]

as though I were stupid enough to care about nordvpn

[clear condor]

I block conventional ads and flick through sponsor promos

[naive whale]

now if Miller High Life asks me to sell ad spots...you are gonna have to deal with it! 😆

[clear condor]

the sponsor promo is a little bit more fun to me since the youtuber has to debase themselves specifically for that product

[sharp comet]

I use the addon that skips sponsor stuff but it doesnt always work

when im in a bad mood ill give a thumbs down when they have one

[drifting crown]

Todays video was brought to you by misteraddons, for all your mister add on needs…

[naive whale]

Ive turned down a decent amount...mostly because I dont care about what they are talking about

[drifting crown]

Maybe do random mid video promotion of obscure British candies

[naive whale]

if something made logical sense...like if an arcade hardware company wanted to buy one on an arcade video...maybe I'd entertain it

[clear condor]

So you don't need to care about what they're talking about in order to allow it as a pre-roll ad, but you do need to do it in order to actually use your vocal cords specifically to say "this video was sponsored by skillshare"

...sorry that sounds more accusatory than I meant it to - I'm not a content creator and I'm curious about the thought process

[drifting crown]

“The soundtrack to this is killer so have a listen for 30 secs whilst I enjoy some Maynard wine gums, enjoy!”

[naive whale]

lolol

[naive whale]

yep pretty much

I do not care what the hell YT shows you ahead of / behind my video. I have no input on that

but if I was to include something IN MY VIDEO, I'd have to care about it / want to talk about it...which I never do

Ive turned down VPNs, MMORPGS, controller skin covers, some weird company that sells inches of land in Ireland or some shit so you can make yourself a lord, some star chart birthday nonsense, etc etc

[oak python]

That video description was perfect :D

[pearl harbor]

I don't mind sponsored ads in Youtube videos. I just skip over them. They need to put food on the table too.

[rapid perch]

I make it game, can I hit the right arrow key the exact amount of times to skip the ad perfectly

And you get little blurbs of them talking about hello fresh in fits and starts which is hilarious

[edgy hollow]

I mean there are only a few youtubers that can do mid video ads well

[drifting frigate]

I watch Brutalmoose's Hello Fresh ads by choice every single time.

[sharp comet]

not at my expense they dont

youtube should have banned the practice immediately before it got hold

it devalues their own paid service

[sudden trench]

FreeTube is pretty good

[sharp comet]

does that cut nordvpn ads out everything magically?

[sudden trench]

Sponsorblock is an option for Freetube

[pearl harbor]

Hard disagree. But I'll leave it at that, since I'm not one to argue on forums like this.

[sharp comet]

I use sponsorblock, it's better than nothing

[sudden trench]

Also you can just not watch people who do that 🙂

[sharp comet]

I mean if you think it's cool for people just grub for money in different ways that's cool. You just grin and bear it, ill downvote the behavior see as gross

[pearl harbor]

Easy enough I'd say.

[sharp comet]

I would much rather just pay for high quality stuff than get free junk

besides, it's not like youtube isn't already paying them, and they could use the much less intrusive option of patreon to beg for money

[sudden trench]

Freetube is free tho

[sharp comet]

it's just them wanting to grub more

at the expense of their integrity and me

[pearl harbor]

🤷‍♂️

[visual grove]

I just downvote and tell it to stop recommending the channel..so it can still somehow show up later with another rec

Now there’s more crappy movies being recommended that I can’t stop it from recommending mixed in

[unkempt oar]

I don't mind skipping a minute of the video. Takes me 10 seconds and they can make money and keep producing content I enjoy. To each their own.

[edgy hollow]

So scud, gun or no gun? Gameplay seems much different

[sudden trench]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[unkempt oar]

I've always heard gun

[edgy hollow]

Literally bought a 2nd gun for it lol since it has dual wield

[burnt matrix]

I use nord vpn on my MiSTer when I run update_all

[naive whale]

Lol tell us how you really feel

[sharp comet]

youtube people are basically the same as SHOWTIME people on the subway

[naive whale]

Should I put my hat on the ground and dance to see if I can score some nickels? Lolol

(I hope you just know I’m joking around)

This gif sponsored by NORDVPN

[sharp comet]

well not all of them

some really do try to share knowledge

teach things, explain things

[burnt matrix]

what are SHOWTIME people

Ohhhhh busking

[sharp comet]

google nyc subway showtime

[burnt matrix]

One day I’ll learn you’re not making jokes

It wasn’t today though

[naive whale]

nobody ever wants to pay the entertainers and the creators...don't you know we all pay ours bills in "experience'

I've had to fight for more $$ on commercials I've done for KFC and Ray Ban

[sharp comet]

I pay youtube, youtube pays you

[naive whale]

tell that to all the free watchers who leave me comments telling me I am stealing because I run ads 😆

[burnt matrix]

what the hell

[naive whale]

I had one today

[sharp comet]

I dont think I should pay and have to see ads

im pretty firm on that

I pay youtube for entertainment

[naive whale]

sure. But all the people who don't pay and yell at me for ads...those are my favorite

[burnt matrix]

Can I just yell at you for no reason

[sharp comet]

well, they're naive

[naive whale]

hilarious stuff 😆

[sudden trench]

I on the other hand am not paying YouTube to pay you

[naive whale]

lol this reminds me of art school and being the only person in the room saying "I don't care that its art. I want money. All of it" and people looking at me like I was crazy

haha I am going through my old work and remembering what I got paid for it

or how much I LOST on some of it

[sudden trench]

I dunno nobody ever pays me in this hobby

[naive whale]

haha well YT is a money losing project no doubt about it

[sudden trench]

But most of y’all schemin 24/7

[naive whale]

I mean my actual film work. I don't leave the house for under X dollars

but in my personal work I spend stupid amounts of money I will never get back

https://vimeo.com/114083617

there is a fun old one. Couple hundred in LEGO and an anamorphic adapter...because I was bored

[sudden trench]

Someone paid you to make that?

[naive whale]

No I was bored and wanted to see if I could make something with LEGO

It's just another one of my ideas where I pipe a bunch of money into it that I will never get back. Like YouTube!

people pay me for one of three things; bring a boring project in under budget and ahead of schedule, to set up and streamline production processes or aerial cinematography

but those damn drones killed the aerial cinematography work

[drifting frigate]

I've put around 110K into productions (not entirely, I own the gear, so it's not like it evaporated) and I have received one residual payment for 25 bucks and one for 12.

Well, that's not true. I got paid my day rates as well, but on the producing side.

[naive whale]

most I spent budget wise was 1 million

on a production

[drifting frigate]

I did get the schadenfreude of watching their 'channel' endeavor fail and shutter this week though.

I have written checks for totals in multi millions, but my out of pocket is around 110K on a handful of films.

My out of pocket on SAG is probably 30% of my total overall earnings from SAG. So I'll never seen benefits. But they keep charging!

[burnt matrix]

I spent $500 on a PS5 once, beat that

[drifting frigate]

So you're WAY ahead.

But the experiences have been great. And our money EP has spent.... I don't even want to think about it. The CEO just kept milking that poor guy.

[drifting frigate]

You didn't happen to work on... shit. A scifi show out of Chi town. Web series, but it won a bunch of awards. I cannot remember the name of it. Something 5.

[naive whale]

I did not

I rarely do narrative. Its commercial / corporate

[drifting frigate]

They love blue flare.

Ah, coolio. Corporate is fun, but I even took a bath on that.

Which should NEVER happen.

[naive whale]

my last gig was Director of Content for a company downdown. Job was easy but boring. Then the company laid off half the staff lol

[drifting frigate]

My writer's girlfriend at the time worked for Big Fish Games. 60 spots. They paid us 5 grand.

Ouch

[naive whale]

thats....not good lol

[drifting frigate]

And I bought the pizza for production. Hehe. They were groups of 5-10 spots with basically the same setup, so it's not like it was 60 full on completely different pieces. We put all 5K on the screen and then some. But it was to get seen. Turns out, their media manager hated that we were hired and buried all of our videos. Intentionally would release our vids then IMMEDIATELY release a tip video on one of their hidden object games to push us off of latest. It was effed up. Got to use my MoVI though.

BTW, thanks for the video today. Those are two great games and I'd never even heard of them. Crows feels a bit heavy - like River City Ransom. Chibi characters with Final Fight tankiness. But it's beautiful and pretty damned enjoyable!

[naive whale]

glad you enjoyed it

[drifting frigate]

(This is hands down the best spot we did in terms of fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScGzN75NY8A - code blocked so as not to hyperlink)

[naive whale]

I am just over here editing a trailer for a new retrospective and spending way too much time on something nobody will notice lol

[drifting frigate]

I love that stuff.

[naive whale]

watching now

this is probably my fav work even if its old @drifting frigate

https://vimeo.com/132880026

[drifting frigate]

I am still waiting for the day 7 Winds is playable. But even the copyright screen is so pretty.

[naive whale]

that link is what I WISH people would pay me to do

[drifting frigate]

This is like if Lars von Trier had hope. But more complimentary than being compared to Lars von Trier sounds... I like this a lot.

[naive whale]

haha thanks. Nobody ever hires me for creativity...just for technical shit

[drifting frigate]

It helps to not make a living doing it so they can pay you table scraps and you can just go home and feel shame instead of being compensated. </crying>

[naive whale]

I need to make something creative soon

[drifting frigate]

I literally made this to avoid doing work at my day job. And it's one of the best things I've shot, in a weird way. https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/303114528

But if the day job is filming....

You can't do that.

[naive whale]

I try to sneak creativity into YT where I can but people dont like it lol

[drifting frigate]

People don't like anything. And then get mad when it's gone. It's an impossible chase but ... what else can you do?

[naive whale]

this is my fav YT thing...people HATED it lol

ignore

https://youtu.be/eUgq8oLHnn0

ASK TONY DANZA lolol

[drifting frigate]

Oh nice, this is where that came from in the Castlevania vids! People get so messed up with any iconography and the loudest people ... well you know. You deal with it daily.

[naive whale]

haha nobody cared about the inverted cross. They just said it was "too long"

[drifting frigate]

Vine wasn't wrong. They were just a couple years too early. 7 seconds might be too much these days. The fact that 2x is like a common viewing speed means I don't like using YT for narrative at all.

[naive whale]

yeah that was like a 30 second intro each episode. I'd have made it longer had I thought I could get away with it

[drifting frigate]

The Hammer 'long title' influence is part of the joy, too. It's so sad that people don't have time for references or any of the pacing nods.

They just want their references to be screamed at them from a speeding car on the way to their pre-chewed dialog. But I'm not bitter.

[naive whale]

haha the reality is I don't much care if people don't like it. I am just here entertaining myself

[drifting frigate]

That's the trick, cap.

[edgy hollow]

Well my mission stick will arrive after 2 months

[drifting frigate]

That's a while, but that's a cool get!

[edgy hollow]

Yup, can't wait to dual stick it for that 1 game. Hope that it works with mayflash or raphnet's adapter

[grizzled quest]

Cellular internet was blocked in Luhansk Oblast today

[zealous karma]

Hey! I was recently almost convinced to get NordVPN , but you seem to know these things. What VPN provider would you recommend?

[edgy hollow]

Not nord. They got hacked and didnt disclose it right away on 2018. Like they announced it 1 month later

I really do hope this core gets gun support. Tried out vcop1 pc + wiimote and the latency was so bad

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392161118052810754/1071040047370997830/20230203_201026_HDR.jpg

Was actually looking at a larger crt for the meantime

[naive whale]

Get a Sinden

Hyper Neo Geo video today is beating stats for Saturn FPGA yesterday. That’s odd lol

[wooden dew]

Not sure if this is sincere or not but I have had good luck with OVPN but I don't remember why I chose it over everything else

[split gyro]

Does elevator action returns work on the core?

[mortal mist]

Should work

[pearl harbor]

It does! And it's running pretty darn good.

[split gyro]

Nice

[fallow snow]

Bought a Saturn the other day, had fun with Burning Rangers and Radiant Silvergun so far

[burnt matrix]

@fallow snow I really want to play Burning Rangers. Seems like a fun and unique game.

[fallow snow]

@burnt matrix it’s definitely unique, I went in blind so I didn’t know what it was about and only did part of the tutorial on Mister. After actually playing the game it was a cool concept. I can’t wait to play more during the weekend

[burnt matrix]

Also Radiant Silvergun is amazing but everyone knows that lol.

Just surprised how little Burning Rangers is talked about.

[noble escarp]

I skipped Burning Rangers back in the day. Too much graphical problems. But it is a good game. Played it last year!

[fallow snow]

It can definitely look garbled at times

Doesn’t help that the lights go out in the game and have to look for switches too lol

[noble escarp]

3d in that era was ugly 😛

[drowsy hull]

also abysmal framerate

[noble escarp]

And I had a PC with a 3dfx card. So no excuses to play those ugly games that moved like powerpoint

2d games on the other hand were amazing

[fallow snow]

Yeah it did, I wanna try out Astal when I’m done with work

I played Marvel Super Heroes too, not a good port. SF Alpha 3 was great

[wooden dew]

Just be wary of some very strange and loud sound effects, unless something has changed recently

[naive whale]

its awesome

[edgy hollow]

Nah building gun4ir. Have all parts but motivation

[naive whale]

I’ve wanted to do that too but same as you. Where do I find the time

I’ve been fixing arcade boards all week

Another 3DO M2 repaired and ready for its new home and revived a Konami Viper for my personal collection

[sudden trench]

How many do you have?

[drifting frigate]

@naive whale So something interesting happened ...I moved all of my games to cifs and suddenly 7 Winds started working. With sound and everything. So I'm wondering how many other non working games will actually work over the faster storage.

[turbid crescent]

Try the versus games. They are nearly arcade perfect ports.

[drifting frigate]

Space Harrier loads...no black screen anymore..but then things get bad. Real bad.

[burnt matrix]

Like awesome bad?

[drifting frigate]

Yes, but only from a trainwreck perspective. The background layers load, corrupt, start doing some very strange line scrolling. No sprites.

[turbid crescent]

interesting, have you tested other games that freeze? Radiant Silvergun for example?

[drifting frigate]

A few. 3x3 eyes loads now. I'll try RSG.

[turbid crescent]

cool, will look into that too as soon as I finish moving. Thanks for reporting it.

[drifting frigate]

Treasure logo

ESP logo

No sound, but I'm seeing the ship

[turbid crescent]

the issue is right when the game starts

[drifting frigate]

Locks immediately.

Yeah

[turbid crescent]

yup, thanks!

CIFS =/= SMB? Heard the term loosely over the years but only used SMB

[drifting frigate]

Arcade mode works. I'm in game and getting my ass handed to me.

It's an SMB share, but the client side is cifs_mount

[turbid crescent]

Wait RSG works now!?

[drifting frigate]

In arcade mode. Not Saturn mode.

I beat the first boss.

[turbid crescent]

that's awesome, thanks!

[drifting frigate]

Huh. Now it's working in Saturn mode too.

Cool!

[tiny flare]

I wonder if it would help sokyuugurentai, I get freezing early in where some others have said they don’t

[drifting frigate]

Lemme try it.

[turbid crescent]

you just opened a pandora box @drifting frigate

[drifting frigate]

Hm. I guess I don't have Sokyuugurentai.

[tiny flare]

Boo, oh well

[drifting frigate]

Oh, I'm wrong. I split S because it's huge and forgot.

[turbid crescent]

are you using this wired for the share?

[drifting frigate]

Yes.

[turbid crescent]

gotcha

[drifting frigate]

Working great.

No sound and occasional pops or sputters of sound. And there's a pink screen immediately after you launch before you get control of the ship, but it's working great otherwise.

[tiny flare]

Oh sweet, that’s encouraging. Thanks for giving it a try

Yeah those other issues match what happens for me, only it hangs shortly after you get control for me

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, I'm through a few waves. I'm terrible at Raizing games, but no other issues at all.

Snatcher is on the 'not working' list...anyone know where it fails? I'm in a new game and the lobby is working fine.

Voices work. Audio popping, but everything seems good.

@undone oyster - I'm sorry for this.

Hehe

Grandia is working but with corrupt graphics. Game graphics are fine, but portraits are sliced up. It's an english patch, so the patch may be bad. The spreadsheet doesn't say what the failure is, but I'm definitely past the title screen.

OK, so it's all 2D elements... smoke sprites are all sliced up as well.

[burnt matrix]

Why would you want the play the inferior version of Grandia?

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/i-do-it-because-i-can-jack-donaghy-30rock-i-do-what-i-want-im-capable-of-doing-it-gif-21884978

The texture warping is something else.

[burnt matrix]

damnit you didn’t fall for the troll, I am getting too soft or you are too wise

[drifting frigate]

Woah. Once you get control it's SUPER slow. So I'm guessing, with the line order issues, this one is hitting an issue with the parallelization.

[naive whale]

Interesting. Test a few more and lmk what you find!

Thanks for pinging me

[tiny flare]

I guess this is just a symptom of the core's disk access timing still being early days? Presumably access from a CD rom is super slow on actual hardware too...

[drifting frigate]

So far from the Not Working list: Snatcher, Grandia (but with corrupt 2D overlay elements), abd Nanatsu Kaze (7 Winds) all work. And games that personally always locked for me (RSG) are working much better for me.

[drifting frigate]

Almost assuredly. This is only helping games that locked up, so I'm guessing it's cd related.

[fallow snow]

Gonna give them a shot, also thinking about getting an official arcade stick

[drifting frigate]

Super Puzzle Fighter is loading for me now, too. I also wasn't able to load it before.

[naive whale]

Very interesting

So what exactly are you doing?

[drifting frigate]

I have a 5 disk Raid + stripe hard wired to the network and the MiSTer also hard wired. I have all of my disk games on there in subfolders. That's it. cfis_mount is set to automount and I made an ini file that I could share between my MiSTers. But the big thing, I think, is just getting over that 20mbps USB2.0 hurdle. I think it's allowing more leeway to the current implementation of the CD system on Saturn by being a touch more responsive than the other busses.

So I'm guessing it won't do much for wifi since they're on the USB....bus. (Redundant TLA acronyms...)

But wired, it's worlds better for me, reliability wise. PSX as well. Steel Harbinger locks for me unless I use a share.

[turbid crescent]

If you have the means, even though we already have CPS2 on mister, it's nice to have arcade stick for the saturn games. A lot of great arcade ports in the system.
It was indeed a 2d monster.

[edgy hollow]

I mean you need turbo for saturn shmups

Sucks that not all games support full button reassignment if you use saturn to x converters

At least the one i know is in mister

[drifting frigate]

Here's an example of a game that doesn't work over SD and does over network (plus some no-talk gameplay at the end).
https://youtu.be/-3yWWuR8G-s

And of course I typo'd cifs as cfis.

[drifting frigate]

Any way you slice it, he's still meatloaf.

[naive whale]

I was just shooting a controller / arcade stick video this week talking about it

[drifting frigate]

Here's the list of what's working for me over the share from the non working column on the pinned list. @naive whale I don't know which of these are working because it's been a number of releases since they were tested and which are working as a result of the faster I/O, but this is the diff to the pinned list.

Zama Chouougi (Some sky textures missing in battles)
Tama loads, is VERY slow, has CD Read error for a movie file
Snatcher
Shining Force 3 Premium (occasionally get a disc dirty error, but it loads more often than it doesn't)
Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari
Mahjong Ganryuujima
Grandia (corrupted 2d graphics, slow)
Devil Summoner
Darius II (JP) - same behavior as Darius Gaiden - music, no sound, some corrupted transitions.
Cyberbots (Sound cuts out)
Arcade Gears vol4 ImageFight works.
Aquazone - no issues, but I don't know how long the previous tester let it run.
Aqua-world Umi Monogatari
Another Memories - No crashes after 5 min, no load issues.
Angelique Special (don't wear headphones!)
Angel Paradise Vol 2 - no idea what I'm doing and it feels like I'm gonna be on a list. But no crash.
Angel Paradise Vol 1 - See above. No crashes.
AnEarth Fantasy Stories - The First Volume
All-Star Baseball '97 Featuring Frank Thomas (Still made by Acclaim, so 'working.' v. long load times)
Album Club (Mune Kyun) - St. Paulia Jogakuin - No freeze after talking to the principal
Airs Adventure (Ear destroyer)
Air Management loads but is missing the overlay cursor. 
Actua Soccer - no music
3D Lemmings - loading bar doesn't show up, but game loads
3x3 Eyes (audio issues)
2Tax Gold

It's not much, but it's not nothing. I don't have JP discs for Darius II or Street Fighter Zero 2 (my brother is coming up and I may be able to have him bring his for SFZ2). The list isn't specific on the failures for a lot of things, and many are 1MB or higher ram cart requirements. So those are all out.

My bro came though and sent me his rips. Darius II works, music but no sfx. Street Fighter Zero 2 hangs after picking a mode, so still no go there.

[stoic umbra]

any new updates for the saturn core?

[pearl harbor]

Not since early December.

[fringe kettle]

tried out a handful of games on my own, don't recall seeing these on the list aside from the last one:

-Sakura Taisen Teikokukagekidan Taiin Meibo - near-flawless playback; humming noise on main menu is somewhat distorted and at least one instance of dropped voiceover audio that didn't occur on repeat attempts
-Sakura Taisen 2 Tokubetsuban (Demo) - boots and functions, but with frequent audiovisual errors (no voiceover audio, severe audio errors during opening FMV, fading and reappearing backgrounds during scene transitions); English patched version refused to boot whatsoever
-Sakura Taisen 2 - boots and functions but with severe audio errors and frequent visual errors```

[naive whale]

Just saw this. Awesome!

[edgy hollow]

$25 score

https://imgur.com/a/JWM5UoQ

Missing manuals included in the box. But games have manuals

Hotd is a timed demo

[short shore]

question: does the most current saturn core from 12/1 support snac? or is there a version of it that does? the latest core i can find supporting snac is the one misteraddons released on his twitter from 11/20

[mortal mist]

no support for snac

[thorn pagoda]

there's a build in here with snac isn't there?

i helped test it

doesn't work with lightguns

[mortal mist]

Don't know 🤷🏻‍♂️

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[inner token]

<#saturn-chat message>

[mortal mist]

Yeah i don't remember that, sorry

[inner token]

it was in the old thread, only difference between 12/1 and 11/20 is added virtual controls. and there hasn't been a saturn update since then.

[glass rain]

Found a larger microSD card here at the house so I'm finally taking a look at the Saturn library. Any shmup recommendations?

[astral crane]

Radiant Silvergun - JP

[drifting frigate]

Time Bokan Series: Bokan to Ippatsu! Doronboo Kanpekiban. And it's working perfectly with no sound issues for me.

[winter phoenix]

Battle Garegga, Cotton 2, Game Tengoku

[edgy hollow]

What is a nice beginner shmup on saturn?

Probably the kind that you can use turbo with

No Mars Matrix like games please lol

[tiny flare]

Sonic Wings Special isn't too hard

I mean I still found it hard, but I'm rubbish at shooters

[edgy hollow]

Sure I'll try that. Only modernish shmup I've played is mars matrix. At least DC version has a watch me beat the game mode.

[glass rain]

Couldn't get into Mars matrix

I like giga wing better -- although can only play for so long without autofire

Thanks for the suggestions! I see gunbird and strikers 1945 1/2 as well

[winter phoenix]

The three I named, actually. (I don’t like difficult games.)

[fringe kettle]

more random game testing, none of these are on the sheet from what I saw

Dragon Master Silk - Warped 3D environments, softlocks after walking several steps into the main dungeon
Tokimeki Memorial - totally flawless
Tokimeki Memorial Taisen Puzzledama - totally flawless
Segata Sanshiro Shinken Yuugi - music gradually corrupts and eventually goes silent, but otherwise flawless
Shining Wisdom (JP) - map tiles get jumbled making navigation difficult, but otherwise playable```

[fringe kettle]

also, on the spreadsheet, Street Fighter Zero 2 is currently listed under both the Working and Not Working columns, don't know if that's intentional or not

[mortal mist]

probably for someone this game works , for another person it does not

there have already been many such cases here and at this stage it is quite normal

sdram versions etc.

[tiny flare]

Looking at the results @drifting frigate was getting it can even vary by your choice of storage medium at this stage

Still very early days for timing in the core

[mortal mist]

yeah indeed

This is just an illustrative list of what runs and what does not.

[edgy hollow]

I mean lots of different things can cause games to not work on the current build

specially given there are different ram configs, bios and 2 builds, even storage has an effect iirc

[fringe kettle]

is that also why Powerslave and Space Invaders are both listed twice under 'working'?

[edgy hollow]

Probably. Some games just work in specific configs

[mortal mist]

corrected , thanks

[fringe kettle]

oh, lol

[mortal mist]

is a list simply for fun, mistakes happen, serious testing will still come 😉

[fringe kettle]

still a handy resource!

[mortal mist]

yeah, indeed 🙂

[digital basalt]

No updates on Saturn core yet?

😦

[mortal mist]

hard to work when missiles are falling next door , and the enemy is knocking on your door

[digital basalt]

Ohhhh yeahh. I hope he is safe ❤️

[thorn pagoda]

has he liked any tweets or anything lately?

this may be the longest he's been out of touch so far

[turbid crescent]

Kitrinx talked to him recently. It's either his conditions or that he's focusing on having something closer to a beta, or both.

He is the kind of dev who drops things, based on what I heard. Here is the patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/srg320/

[thorn pagoda]

that's cool, i hadn't heard kitrinx had talked to him

yeah i'm familiar with the legend, i was here for megacd and pce-cd 😄

[drifting gulch]

It was Sorgelig who talked to him

#1046941029296779344 message

[stoic sun]

frens, any chance i could locate the saturn core?

[glass rain]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer

[inner token]

<#unstable-nightlies message>

think that's the latest.

[stoic sun]

thanks guys! didnt expect such a quick response

[twilit forum]

Does anyone know why letter boxing happens unless I need the latest unstable for mister as well

[mortal mist]

It's normal , screen is shifted to the left

[twilit forum]

oh ok, I can't fix it yet then?

[mortal mist]

It's not optimized in the core

Alpha you know

[twilit forum]

ah ok I got it

I wasn't sure if it was a bug or anything

or something was wrong with my setup

[mortal mist]

All is good

Looks fine via hdmi

[stoic sun]

does your pvm not have centering/scaling adjustments?

most of mine have little knobs that you can adjust for each image

[analog totem]

I have a PVM (Trinitron 14N2U) that has no horizontal centering option on it

[rapid perch]

Same

I've learned to just love the black bar on the left in some cores

[twilit forum]

1943md doesn't have that

Just a feature to toggle overscan

[naive whale]

You can move it in the service menu

[twilit forum]

oh wait apparently I have to take off the back of the monitor to get to the potentiometers to adjust the picture

but I really don't want to do that

[analog totem]

nope you can’t with this set. Believe me, I’ve tried

there is a horizontal centering setting i n the service menu, but it only functions on the composite and s-video inputs. It doesn’t work for the RGB input.

[naive whale]

Odd. Bummer

[analog totem]

Yeah, it’s kinda lame…there are a couple tools like the HDFury3 and potentially this aliexpress picture adjuster box that might allow me to do it, though

[glass rain]

Saturn core badly off center on my consumer tv as well. Trying to just ignore it but it cuts off bomb counts etc in some games

Still early days tho

[edgy hollow]

how about direct video? still unaligned?

[glass rain]

Me? I'm using direct video yep. Haven't tried any other method

It's not the end of the world. But a few of the shmups that can do tate mode have useful info cut off

[stoic sun]

fwiw, my image is centered on my PVM

on the Saturn core

using component video

[glass rain]

S-video here via Y/C core

[mortal mist]

this is nothing unusual , it was the same in psx core in the initial phase,,, it will certainly be corrected in due time.

[edgy hollow]

Laughs in downscaler

Lemme take a pic

[mortal mist]

in general when it comes to games some will be centered, some will not

[edgy hollow]

I mean it will be fixed later

[digital ruin]

Could someone please point me in the direction of the current compatibility list for the core?

[mortal mist]

for now you can say which games run , which do not.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7x_uX7WLA60dgOlvGVqqSdf1Gez8-rXN2MBJS7ThA8/edit#gid=0

[digital ruin]

Thank you 😊

[burnt matrix]

@glass rain I know what your issue is

Your tv is on its side

[edgy hollow]

I kinda wanna get a rotating tv for tate

But it's like, i will use it to replace a full body mirror and attach a webcam lol wgen not in use.

But it's too far from the tv

Maybe i will just buy a perma vertical tv and make it a smart mirror... And tate lol

[twilit forum]

Also another dumb question, 2M for games means the 2M ram expansion right? Are these supported?

[edgy hollow]

There's 1 and 4 though

No idea if those tags are accurate in some packs

Also, i remembered my cintiq, not pretty but it works... no sound though

[mortal mist]

no, https://www.reddit.com/r/Roms/comments/fyhoit/redump_sega_saturn_collection_1m_naming_scheme/

is the name, not the requirements

here is the list with games 1/4mb : https://segaretro.org/Extended_RAM_Cartridge

and there is no support for ram expansion in the core yet

if it appears will definitely require dualsdram

[glass rain]

Idk, I did the gravity field adjust in the hidden service menu...

[edgy hollow]

Got jealous of tate mode

No sound though and had to use capture card- pc hdmi. Else pure hdmi is purplish

[glass rain]

If it's not tate, I don't wanna play it. Unless it's Progear, Giga Wing, Strikers 1945 Plus, uhh...

[edgy hollow]

Awful irl due to grainy cintiq screen protector

• 2 saturn extension cables

Switch is perfect for tate lol

If you 3d print

Too bad input lag there is high on zebra

[burnt matrix]

lol, in all seriousness that’s awesome you can play shumps as the retro lord intended!

[glass rain]

Any bigger and I'd be afraid to rotate it. 27", low hours

Used by me for a few years before I moved out, archived in the folks' basement ever since

[subtle tusk]

Sergey committed some changes to the Saturn CDB today

https://github.com/srg320

[mortal mist]

[stiff patrol]

changes dont trigger the auto build

Compiling it but no clue what was actually changed by the commit

[stiff patrol]

Single Ram

[burnt matrix]

@stiff patrol I hate to bug ya but could you do a dual ram build as well? Thanks in advance!

[stiff patrol]

Dual Ram

it was building

[burnt matrix]

Thank you very much!

[stiff patrol]

No idea what the changes do if anything

[burnt matrix]

His commit says "Update cdb", couldn't really figure out the changelist but maybe it's related to this - https://wiki.yabause.org/index.php5?title=CDBlock

[marble laurel]

This change is not on the core but on a different repo with HW documentations for Saturn.

[mortal mist]

Yes , correct

But it's good to see any activity of his on github 🙂

[tiny flare]

I'm confused, this doesn't appear to be a dependency of the main Saturn build, unless I'm missing something obvious

the build checks our srg320/saturn, not srg320/saturn_hw

so the above build should be totally identical to the last one right?

[mortal mist]

yes, no change

[tiny flare]

it's really cool that you guys are super enthusiastic I guess though lol

[mortal mist]

I'm just happy , that it gives a sign of life 🙂

[subtle tusk]

It's fine that it's not a change to the Saturn core. I'm just glad he's still plugging away at it.

[tiny flare]

For sure, I was just really confused when someone started sharing a build lol

[naive whale]

Always good to hear he’s still plugging along

[drowsy hull]

don't forget to switch the description text around again

[wraith echo]

Hey ho, here's a clear sign of life:

[mortal mist]

nice 😍 thanks for the info 🙂

[wet hull]

Good to know he is doing alright 🙂

[naive whale]

Just say that in my inbox

[edgy hollow]

Can't wait for awbacon's 30 minute video for this update

That robby will dislike

[glass rain]

Don't encourage people

[sudden tusk]

Has the latest core been compiled ?

[mortal mist]

there is no new core

[sudden tusk]

Oh … ok .. wth is Lu taking about ?

https://youtu.be/Tn-HpL892TI

[mortal mist]

don't know

the latest is from December

https://github.com/srg320

only the documentation has been updated

not core

github don't lie 🙂

[sudden tusk]

Yeah I wonder if Lu is confused …

[faint flicker]

srg320 released a patreon update talking about the part Lu is talking about, im sure Lu forgot to mention it as a Patreon Update about the core

but lets hope in the next 2 Weeks we get an update

[pearl harbor]

Nice to see a progress update from him! ❤️

[subtle tusk]

A big problem with the core right now is stuff not loading correctly or not loading at all so here's hoping this update comes with a significant compatibility upgrade.

[stiff patrol]

The only reason you are seeing the core is due to the War. SRG normally just drops them when done

[subtle tusk]

It's entirely possible that the core would be done by now if not for the war.

[naive whale]

@burnt matrix doesn’t like anything. Real pessimist lol

But I bet he loves PC-FX. Who doesn’t!

(I like PC-FX so that’ll be fun to talk about in Feb news)

[marble laurel]

Maybe add a banner informing the state of a news "release, announce, etc .."

[naive whale]

There’s always info on “can play now” or “in the future”

But I’ll show footage of games on X platform. So people know what it is. ESP for stuff like PC-FX

Would be fun on FPGA

I’m glad someone said something. I kind of forgot the 23rd is the last Thursday of the month. Feb always trips me up. Time to start compiling footage for news

[analog totem]

quite possibly, but it’s also srg320’s most complex MiSTer core so far, so hard to say

[plush jetty]

Not surprising, given how nightmarish it was to develop games for the Saturn and how it’s still among the harder retro systems to emulate today

[drifting frigate]

Sega: Putting Lipstick on a Pig Champions 1991 - 1998. "Our competition are..." "SHUT UP AND SLAP MORE HARDWARE ON IT!"

(I dearly love Sega, btw)

[clear condor]

Model 2 was no pig!

[inner kayak]

it was definitely not a sustainable hardware design approach, versus competition that would fully reconcile a hardware design more thoroughly rather than “piling on” the layers

usually not a bad strategy, if you are maintaining software compatibility (hence keeping old layers and not merging/reconciling them with new layers), but if you also aren’t going for software compatibility ( then what you are ultimately producing is the politics of your org chart in silicon/board form

(Also as a huge fan of Sega, and what they did to push the medium)

[plush jetty]

Haha, huge fan, too. Here’s my Saturn 🙂

[tiny flare]

everyone posting all of their awesome Saturn setups both here and elsewhere are really making want to mod mine now, even though I said to myself that I wouldn't bother and would just patiently wait for the MiSTer core...although it's more of a pain when it's PAL, I'd probably be better off just importing a new one from Japan...

[plush jetty]

JP Saturns are definitely the cheapest option, but I’m not familiar with making it work for PAL. Fenrir plus region Switch?

[tiny flare]

looked into it quite a while ago, iirc you have to do an oscillator mod to get it to run at the right clock speed for NTSC

[drifting crown]

Just stick an rgb lead in it and stay @ 60hz

[edgy hollow]

well PAL users also add a 50/60 switch, + VCD probably the best method to get 100% compatibility

since there are some PAL optimized games that don't work as well on 60hz

[plush jetty]

I have a small number of PAL games on mine, and assume they run slower? Fenrir automatically plays all regions. I’m on an NTSC CRT

[edgy hollow]

some PAL games don't display right on NTSC

https://randomisedgaming.tumblr.com/post/146372446412/the-complete-european-sega-saturn-60hz-guide-to

like:
3D Lemmings - Major PAL optimisation
Graphic corruption causes lines to appear, Overscan occurs bottom of screen disappears at 60Hz, game runs too fast. Note the Japanese release is a later code revision and includes Saturn Mouse support.

Not sure about the opposite case since I use Japanese

[plush jetty]

Ahhh, I only have PAL games that are exclusive, relative to US releases

[edgy hollow]

yeah for me I have to use Japanese version of 3d lemmings

since no US version and PAL has issues

awful game though

[plush jetty]

Haha, I only put the good/decent games on my 128gb card

Can share a list later if y’all are interested

And I welcome advice on missing gems

[edgy hollow]

Yeah 128 can fit all the good games. I went like 300 gb just to try stuff out

[plush jetty]

Yeah, I have about 10 gigs still free, and plenty of marginal games included

[naive whale]

if Bubble Symphony isn't on there go add it! (grumpy face)

[edgy hollow]

Makes me wonder if you placed like games available on MISTer like the fighting games

[plush jetty]

I know it’s on there, phew!

[naive whale]

haha I tell everyone to play that game

[edgy hollow]

how about that segata sanshiro something shingen

[plush jetty]

This process always opens me up to taking some torpedos, but I love trying to curate a great collection, and it’s only possible to do it right when you open it up to a larger community

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, for some reason there is a vocal minority of people who absolutely hate Virtual Hydlide who would flip if you put it in a great game collection.

[plush jetty]

Lol, my list is more about avoiding crap and redundant games than every one being fantastic

[sweet nexus]

Obviously its in its alpha state but do you think we are gonna need a dual sdram for complete compatibility once its goes release?

[lusty rapids]

magic 8 ball says: future hazy

[sweet nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goonies-chunk-come-on-please-gif-15099442

🙂

[mortal mist]

I think yes

4mb ram expansion for sure need it

[lusty rapids]

my take is if you're not a CRT jockey / don't need dual video output and you have some cash burning a hole in your pocket, might as well go with digital i/o and 2nd sdram.

who knows what the future holds

[turbid crescent]

CPS3 and other arcade boards might also benefit from dual sdram. Besides you can still use an hdmi converter, no loss there.

[sharp comet]

nobody really knows

it could turn out in a bunch of ways

like, maybe he'll work some science fiction and everything will miraculously make it with one ram stick

more likely some portion of games will work with one stick and the rest will need two

possibly it wont be stable at all without two

we just dont know

[edgy hollow]

i mean digital can still use CRTs although you have to do it with some sacrifices

1. Use direct video - sacrifices use for modern TVs
2. Use good downscaler - adds a bit of latency but allows concurrent use of modern and CRTs TVs. Very flexible, allows all stuff to work on 480p/480i/240p
3. Use cheap downscaler - you'd have to run stuff in 16:9 stretched to make it look correct in CRT. Can use concurrently with modern TV but you'd have to use 4:3 mode to make it look correct. There's also probably more latency. It's usually 480i only

I use #2 since I like ao486 stuff and it's 480p only and lets me use dual ram

[turbid crescent]

I like how you use the term miraculously and science fiction. 🤣 I think there will be a breaking point where some cores will require dual for one thing or other. A lot of people have CRTs but also a lot don't. Hopefully there will be a new design that allows both and people can finally move on from the constrains that CRT is "imposing" on devs,

[edgy hollow]

Probably not with MISTer maybe on MISTest

[sharp comet]

I'm not saying it to be spiteful or anything

sometimes it's just how it is

[turbid crescent]

I do remember someone working on a dualsd+analogue.

[sharp comet]

like ram can only go so fast, there's practical limits

[turbid crescent]

I know, I just thought it was funny. I was one of the "tinfoil hat people" who bought a digital IO board on early 2021.

[edgy hollow]

Kinda wish you can put 2 de10s together as like a larger fpga

[sharp comet]

you probably wont regret having it

if you only use hdmi, why not

[turbid crescent]

I decided not to go the CRT route a while ago and with the amazing job done on shadowmasks I'm not looking back.

[turbid crescent]

People are eager for a bigger fpga, but prices will keep the de10 as the standard for a while and that's fine. A lot of cores (mostly arcade ones, I know) still to be developed. I'm quite happy with what we got already and in no rush to go into another new hardware for now.

Dual might be the little push we need on some stuff... who knows.

[edgy hollow]

Yeah so far nothing out there really needs it but jaguar is said to need it for bandwidth

Although i really should mem test my dual setup

[turbid crescent]

2.9 is the latest version of the sdram, right?

my 128mb is quite old, I'm assuming there are some gains in speed on it.

[acoustic sable]

No - reliability and ease of production. If your RAM is working, you do NOT need to buy new. It's not an upgrade.

[turbid crescent]

Awesome, thanks!

[edgy hollow]

i mean core devs avoid the iffy frequencies nowadays

[turbid crescent]

That was my thought. I bought a 32mb for the second slot and it reaches better frequencies.

[acoustic sable]

The cores use the SDRAM at a speed they choose, to match what's useful for the core. They don't run it higher.

[turbid crescent]

gotcha. I think it isn't worth the headache of going higher and have half the community reporting issues.

[edgy hollow]

I just hope Jotego won't need those frequencies in the future

since he discovered the issue

[acoustic sable]

Pfft. He's learned some lessons about RAM the last couple of years

Don't push it, basically

[turbid crescent]

dualsdram is the future guys!! 🥳

[edgy hollow]

now I just wanna see how dual 128mb ram would be fully used in this generation

[acoustic sable]

Hopefully 🙂 Double the bandwidth, speeds no single stick could hope for

[edgy hollow]

even though they all say 128 + 32 is more than enough

[acoustic sable]

None of the consoles that'll fit in the DE10's speeds+capacity need more SDRAM than that, indeed.

Dual 128 is pointless, and I really don't see that changing.

[turbid crescent]

Arcades maybe? But most of them are within the 128mb rom size range I think. Even STV stuff.

[acoustic sable]

Machines with more are too fancy for the DE10, AFAIK

[turbid crescent]

probably, yeah.

Thanks for the clarifications on it @acoustic sable

[acoustic sable]

It's always a bit 😬 to see someone who wasted their money on a purposeless upgrade 👍

Good to head these things off early!

[turbid crescent]

I agree, that's why I always ask about things prior to be sure. LOL
I live in Brazil and the currency rate isn't looking great on our end. We are headed to dark times around here sadly. But that's too off topic. LOL

[acoustic sable]

Quick! Check my profile

[turbid crescent]

So I'm kinda pushing my international purchases while I can.

[plush jetty]

Here's my current Saturn list. Caveats: It's NTSC-focused, it ignores light gun games, and it deliberately doesn't include Lunar, since Fenrir can't handle the disc swap. Hope it gives y'all some ideas on what to try, and I'm always open to suggestions on additions 🙂

[turbid crescent]

Nice list! Fenrir doesn't do disc swap!?
That's odd. I have phoebe on my Saturn but it was a long and hard journey to actually get it.
Looks like it was worth it in the end, it was the only saturn ODE solution back then.

[turbid crescent]

Sorry, missed the mark on it. Squid?

[turbid crescent]

I'm the optimistic/glass half full kind of a guy. When I say "we are screwed" we are. 🤣

[plush jetty]

I should have been more clear. Fenrir is fine with disc swap if you save the game then load from the other disc, but there’s a small number of games where disc swap happens without the save first - those are not currently supported by Fenrir, but the only one that I care about in that small list is Lunar

[lusty rapids]

just become one with the dread

[acoustic sable]

Yup, same same.

[turbid crescent]

So yeah, disc swap.

If you can't swap discs on the fly, no disc swap support.

[acoustic sable]

There aren't any Saturn games that fail to save at the end of a disk, are there? It was a Sega requirement.

So no disk swap mechanic is actually needed. If you have one, cool, if not, reset and load the next disk and the save.

[plush jetty]

https://segaxtreme.net/threads/complete-list-of-saturn-games-where-you-dont-save-between-disc-swaps-so-the-only-way-to-continue-is-to-swap-the-disc.24903/

[turbid crescent]

There are always some odd cases. MGS comes to mind... I think Policenauts does it too... I'm not so sure.

[acoustic sable]

Hm. I'm not sure that list is accurate. Over in the Satiator discord a couple of guys played through several of those - they don't say they're saving but they do. I'd have to go dig on the github issues for details, and it's 3am so fuck it

[turbid crescent]

Not that many... But lunar (at least the PSX version) is playable in all discs, the only thing that is disc dependent are the cutscenes I think.

[plush jetty]

Not sure, I wouldn’t dare play Lunar that far to find out!

[acoustic sable]

Heh!

[lusty rapids]

Lunar is listed as fenrir compatible with no notes on the disc swap problem

[plush jetty]

Grew up playing the Lunar games on Sega CD anyway, so that box is checked for me

[lusty rapids]

Lunar 2 maybe has an issue tho

[turbid crescent]

Just start playing the second disc. If it asks for the first during a cutscene you'll know for sure.

[turbid crescent]

Wait. You never played the updated versions!?!?!?!/11/1/1/1/1/!?

[plush jetty]

Fenrir also supports screenshots, relatively new addition, which is nice

[acoustic sable]

Lunar 2 and most of those others do save at disk end, according to a tester at https://github.com/satiator/compatibility/issues/12

[turbid crescent]

cool, but I'm kinda on the "functional" vs pretty camp.

[lusty rapids]

you can be functional and pretty

[plush jetty]

I hear you on that, and lining up the file names and images names is not fun, I did not overachieve

[turbid crescent]

And please, if you never played the updated versions of Lunar, PLEASE just get the PSX versions then.
You are missing a lot by only playing the Sega CD versions.

One of my favorites jrpgs of all time.

[turbid crescent]

Not all the time, sadly.

[plush jetty]

Bigger challenge for me, I’m at a no-RPG stage of my life, with three young kids

[turbid crescent]

But but.. the games are short. It's not a 40hrs+ commitment.

[plush jetty]

One of these days! Thanks for the tip