Sony PlayStation

[timber flint]

I'm old

I'm cranky

I just wanna play thru the damn game lol

[somber steppe]

I'm not that ancient but I actually appreciate games giving me noticeable resistance since playing dark souls. Git gud.

[spark ermine]

I try to only use savestates sparingly like after a 5 minute cutscene you can't skip so it saves me from having to watch it everytime i die

[abstract drift]

i think they have a lot of uses and its up to everyone to use them responsibly basically 🙂

another good one is lightgun games, skip all the calibration and intro cutscenes etc by just having a savestate right at the actual beginning of the game

[spark ermine]

Relying on savestates is awful to play any game, seen some people save over their main state on a death and now they have to restart the whole game xD

[abstract drift]

thats a definite downside too yeah

they can also just randomly go wrong sometimes, i'd hate to have a savestate 90 hours into FF8 or something and no actual saves

[mortal oracle]

Sounds to me like you need to build up your RPG stamina

[tropic stratus]

My most loaded savestate is by far the track selection of DDR. The game kicks you out every 3 tracks or when you fail once and you have to go through the menu all over again.
Instead I just press F1, select the track I want and go. Saved me many hours in total over the last years.

[mortal oracle]

I did use save states to finally help me beat Alex Kidd in miracle world (master system) – I could consistently get to the same level and kept dying on that level, but didn’t have the patience to keep grinding through the beginning of the game - by reloading the save state I could learn the pattern for the level, and then I beat the game from beginning to end without save states - it only took me ~30 years

[pearl shell]

After all my reports of them not working and you not wanting to fix them until you had fixed other things first, look at you now, you are completely hooked on them 🙂

[lusty coral]

Normally, I don't use save states. But I think its a great feature for people.

[somber steppe]

I only use them for games that don't allow to save the game, like megaman x or metroid on nes. But only at the password screen, not to skip content.

[sinful bloom]

perfectly valid

[tropic stratus]

yes, it has become my cardio training. I never liked any rythmn games and still don't do, but being able to play with movement instead of gamepad really was refreshing for me.

[buoyant plinth]

Ever looked into Beat Saber (and similar, Samba de Amigo if you want to stay in real space 😄 ) to give you arm days as well?

[sinful bloom]

Beat Saber is still probably the most approachable VR game

hey there

if you want, you got a challenge to look and see

actually, I'll take a looksie, with a save file that has a date with Barret

here's that save file, if you want it

[serene nebula]

So uhhh what the issue? It’s just darker on software emulators?

[sinful bloom]

it's darker triangle-y overlay over the gondola

[serene nebula]

Oh I see, the bottom image is on the PC, not from a real PS1

[sinful bloom]

Bummer

The bit depth doesn't matter

[empty yacht]

maybe his playstation is broken or its some of those bizarr revision things

[timber flint]

Give BeatMania a try sometime.

[restive plover]

Since you enjoy DDR so much now, how likely is a System573d core? Afaik 100% of the security system functionality of the mp3 board is known and documented by 987123879113 (I used their tools to start a ddrextreme decomp/translation). It's "just" a psx with different peripherals attached (a "normal" cdrom, flash memory interface, the mp3decoder board , dongle, and the jammaio).

[somber steppe]

I finished dragon warrior 7 on the core. No issues whatsoever. Just mentioning it since it's an obscenely long game.

[spring elk]

Trophy Unlocked

[tropic stratus]

The core seems to be very close to the ps1, unlike some other ps-based arcades. Also mame does support it, so information is out there.
I would be optimistic that the effort would be acceptable for what you could get (amount of games) unlike most other arcade systems

As i'm completly unfamiliar with arcades, I have no idea if there would be significant interest in the community for those. Probably would need to be a project to support multiple boards...e.g.
https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=582
https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=823

[spring elk]

Though the underlying hardware might seem very doable, there doesn't seem to be much point when you factor in all the additional hardware most of those games require to even make them playable.

[still palm]

Some people have the DDR setups though, and you could play them with controller if you don't have the gear.

This seems like the arcade project that he would do if he was going to do one though.

[waxen elk]

The psx/Saturn arcade adjacent cores I'm most interested in are the two Tetris Grand Master games and densha de go.

[serene nebula]

DENSHA DE GOOOOOOOO!

🚂

[manic citrus]

TGM1 is the only console adjacent TGM, TGM2 is on a completely custom board that just happens to use the same cpu as a saturn

TGM2 is basically an SH-2 and a big custom chip

[shut escarp]

there's a TGM1 arcade hack that runs on the PSX core that's very good

[waxen elk]

Yeah, but it doesn't save high scores

[shut escarp]

the bishi bashi stuff would be sick to have from 573

[waxen elk]

How long would it take to learn enough verilog to do it myself. For context I'm a 10x JavaScript dev with 6+ years of deleting the wrong files.

[manic citrus]

an infinite amount of time since the core is written in VHDL

[shut escarp]

I'm probably about to dump my 573 into storage soon

planning on getting a snekboard to hook my arcade pads up to a pc and go the ITGmania (and data) route

[restive plover]

oh itg (i founded Boxorroxors which lead to openITG when Konami snuffed out ITG)

those were fun times

[kind ravine]

I’ve been writing code in various forms for ages… I tried to learn a little about this kind of stuff, and it does seem like it would be decipherable, but it also feels like a completely different paradigm. Maybe if you have an electrical engineering background it could be easier to understand what’s going on at the beginning? I don’t know though, because I don’t, lol. If you’re serious, it looks like fun but you should allow a lot of time and set yourself reasonable small goals, like with anything new I guess.

[waxen elk]

I've been curious and have looked at books. The thing that actually stops me is the reverse engineering side of things. That's a very different skill set

Also joking about the 10x JavaScript developer but. I'm a dot net fanboy.

[empty yacht]

Always think about the 10+ minutes compile times, then decide to do something different

[tropic stratus]

The issue is not so much with the language, but rather with understanding the idea behind.
It's not a program or program flow, but rather hardware that runs in parallel.
Like every line is run by a seperate thread in parallel with synchronization after each execution/clock(simplified)
I found it most helpful to learn this by looking at the schematics generated for each module. So you would write short code and then see what is really generated from it.

[kind ravine]

Yeah, that’s the big challenge I could see in the little time I spent looking into it, it’s just such a different way to have to think

[waxen elk]

Do you think a good starting would point to just work on reimplementing instruction sets on a simpler CPU?

[abstract drift]

if you like dancing for exercise then yeah beatsaber is great but synthriders is sublime

i play like 10 hours a week every week for years now its insane, its become my most played videogame by a gigantic margin

[serene nebula]

How about the ole fashioned hitting the gym

[empty yacht]

boomer

[shut escarp]

That’s sick. There’s an ITGmania tourney going on alongside the fighting game event I’m at this weekend.

[manic citrus]

I was unaware of the existence of poverty RGC

[bright girder]

Chaos heat is my ps1-arcade game wish. Also the least likely to happen I think… 😅

[abstract drift]

is high level ddr always played leaning on the rail like that

pretty disappointing if true tbh

[shut escarp]

it is, but if you saw the difficulty of the songs you'd realize its still an insane feat

[spark ermine]

Insane feet

[hushed sentinel]

toetally crazy

[vestal thicket]

The bar is a godsend on the higher foot rating songs. You’re moving so fast you can’t really maintain balance. I suppose you could with enough practice but it’d be a significant physical barrier to overcome for most people.

I have a cobalt flux pad I picked up in like 2003/2004 and it doesn’t have a bar. I am better when I have access to a bar at an arcade than I am at home without.

[dusky ore]

As someone who came from the Extreme era of DDR it's insane to see how people play with a greater focus on maintaining stamina

[hushed sentinel]

east germany

[little frost]

I like save states a lot for everything really because they save me time in a lot of games where I don’t want to have to start back at the beginning of a tough level when I die, etc. I also use them a lot when I do my viewer request streams where I only play games for 10 min. sprints. It’s great because if the same game gets requested the following stream, then I can pick up exactly where I left off rather than replaying the same parts over and over. Obviously, that’s more of a niche use case, but I love having savestates for that.

[scenic rain]

Using save states means you are a bad person and should feel bad for doing so. I know this because I use them sometimes.

But for realsies: As a new father, save states fucking rule. End of the argument for me, I wish every core had them.

[magic arch]

What does dual sdram for PSX actually do? I know whatever it’s does it basically unnoticeable, but what is the benefit (however small) of dual sdram for PSX?

[somber steppe]

It aggravates @manic citrus

[spring elk]

That's the frustrating thing about being a gamer when I'm older with numerous other responsibilities: I need to stop gaming at a moment's notice and take care of other stuff. Save states are great for that.

[magic arch]

Is that the dev for the PSX core?

[spring elk]

No.

[somber steppe]

Nah just some random dev.

[magic arch]

Oh.

[spring elk]

That would be FPGAzumSpass.

[magic arch]

So (at least as of 8/31/2024), dual sdram resolves audio lag that is prolly less then a millisecond or something if @dawn wind is being this mocking about it.

[chilly kraken]

and the tradeoff is that the dual ram build runs too fast (again, by an imperceivable amount). So really you have to decide which brain worms you want to satiate

[timber flint]

Exactly. I have a 2 year old and a 4 month old. Save states are an absolute life saver for me.

[sinful bloom]

https://imgur.com/XDiE9cM

just something I've noticed in 480i menus in Driver

[mortal oracle]

There’s a workaround - use either 24-bit rendering, GPU slowdown, or enable texture filtering. The GPU being generally a bit too fast causes this iirc

[feral swift]

Enable GPU slowdown if you don't want to enable any of the other settings. I asked Robert about it and he said it's safe to use this feature. It will fix the issues like these, which are caused by the GPU being slightly too fast in the core, without chaning the visuals in any way.

[sinful bloom]

There was also occasional junk in the graphics but it's only noticeable in the first garage mission, likely fixes that

.... Oh yeah and save stating the last mission screwed up the game and messed up the film director

The game gave me the wrong gameplay and failed the mission even though it was a success

Fun stuff

[tropic stratus]

I can't believe, no one passes the license test!

[abstract drift]

its maybe actually the hardest part of the game lol

you can't even luck out you actually have to drive well

[ruby ermine]

Back when the game came out, I spent an unimaginable amount of time trying to beat the damn license test.

[feral swift]

I must have spent like half a day as a kid to beat that "tutorial" level.

[sinful bloom]

nah, that's the final mission which I labored over 8 hours on

the "license test" is easily beaten if you bother finding (admittedly easily missed) tutorial section in the menu to see what inputs for what are required

although that time limit is a real bitch, I will give you that

[amber horizon]

hello 👋

im about to try this core out, is there anything needed for the new weave that i need?
is there a new mister main unstable i need to enable an additional video filter? i think i remember something about a new vertical scanline option to improve the new weave?

or is the "new bob" implemented in this dev core??

[amber horizon]

yeah, it looks like there was a new vertical video filter added to the mister main unstable, which lets you "apply a vertical filter to 480i content".

but, if i already have the 480i to 480p hack enabled in the PSX core, do i even need that? does the core Zakk posted already have those new options rolled in to the "new weave"?

[void scroll]

New weave won't need to be used. The vertical interlace filter does that. You need unstable main to get that option. The benefit over 480p hack is that you don't get combing artifacts on 2d. Also on N64 it allows the use of the original VI filters.

[amber horizon]

i see!

ok, so i need the unstable mister, enable that vertical interlace filter, and then grab the new PSX unstable "psx_weave" and then i should be good? (and dont enable the 480p hack?)

[void scroll]

No need for the psx weave test build. Just set the regular psx core to weave.

[amber horizon]

ahhh

thanks so much for your help!

[orchid bone]

Hello! New to MiSTer and looking for some help on the PSX core. I got the core running (I think) but when I go to load a cue file nothing happens and I just stay on the like PS1 main menu with memory card and cd player options. What am I doing wrong?

[winged sage]

Is each set of cue + bin files in its own subfolder?

[void scroll]

Try another bin/cue or maybe a chd file.

[orchid bone]

Nope they’re just all together under the psx games folder.

[winged sage]

I don’t know if this is actually causing your problem, but all the mister cores for cd based systems need to have each games’s cue/bin files in a subfolder named after the game. The cores produce save files based on the subfolder

Do you have the bios files?

[orchid bone]

I do have the bios files named boot.rom

So I need two sub folders for each game?

[winged sage]

No, one subfolder for each game. All the cue/bin files or the Chd file go in there

[orchid bone]

Ooooooh let me try that

Just to be clear it should be (E:) > games > PSX > Game Folder > bin and cue file. I have four other files in the PSX folder being boot.rom, boot1.rom, boot2.rom, and a zipped sbi folder?

[winged sage]

that looks right to me. here's the core documentation in case there's something in here you haven't seen yet: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer

[orchid bone]

I figured it out, I’m an idiot. This is my first cd core but with all the other ones I would rename the rom files to get rid of like (USA) and better alphabetize them but apparently you can’t do that with these ones because as soon as I reverted the names they worked perfectly.

[amber horizon]

with the new intl vert filte, are there preferred scanlines to use? i currently have the soft SNES scanline applied, but im not sure if theres something better, or if the adaptive scanlines are what i should bee using

[desert otter]

Put them into their own sub folders though. You can name the folder whatever you want for your organization needs

[winged sage]

the .cue file is just a text file that tell the emulator how and in what order to load the bin files, and expects them to be named a certain way.

[desert otter]

Plus, by doing this, each game gets to have its own memory card. And also multidisc games work properly

[amber horizon]

or, m i not supposed to use scanlines for that intl vert filter and use an interpolation filter instead?

[manic citrus]

some light interpolation is probably best, but some people do like scanlines even if it isn't "correct".

[desert otter]

Try using a CRT filter

I'm not a fan of just simply doing "scanline" myself. I've been using either 5th gen or computer

Depends on the game. Games that are inherently darker I use the computer filter with. And games that are a little on the brighter side I use the 5th gen

And I use integer scaling in MiSTer

[amber horizon]

ahh, i dont use any of those preset filter packs things. i found a suitable combination of filters way back when and have used those for pretty much everything, and then depending on how blurry/less blurry i want, i adjust the horizontal interpolation. which is either 50% or 75%

[void scroll]

There are no presets yet that include the intl filter as it is not even part of main. You can just use a preset of your liking and add a filter manually as intl filter. It will only be enabled for 480i content so scanlines will keep working on regular 240p. I would recommend GS Sharpness 005 and go up from there while testing a 480i game. I have found that anything higher than that I can see combing artifacts but ymmv.

[manic citrus]

and if the game only uses 480i for menus you're probably fine with no filter

we need a bigger fpga, lol where's my MA deinterlacer

[void scroll]

Forgot about that yes, the filter is used to hide the combing artifacts during motion. So no need for that during static screens. Still it's not really that bad if you leave it on.

[amber horizon]

is silent hill for PSX and pod racaer for N64 the best to test with the intl vert filter?

ive found with silent hill, if i use bob, my monitor will have some slight persistent image retention

(on the menu and map)

[void scroll]

That is common with bob and some IPS screens. Just skip bob, no reason to use that if you have intl filter now.

[amber horizon]

yeah, that is partly why i was so curious about this new weave option

[void scroll]

Pod racer would be better as that shows combing artifacts during motion. During static screens weave does a good job so no need for the filter on silent hill.

[amber horizon]

in my initial testing, a 50% or 75% comp blend H filter is best with the new vert int filter. using a vertical filter with the int vert filter gives me some weird uneven lines

[void scroll]

Just find the one that looks best to you with the games you play. Zakk wisely gave us the option to customize the filter to our hearts content. Any soft enough filter should be good. Most of 480i games I play are fighting games and those really need a very aggressive softening filter to avoid combing artifacts, hence my recommendation for GSsharpness005 and start from there.

[abstract drift]

you can rename the cue's but not the bins since the cue's contain references to the bins by name

but also its better to just not and name the folders however you prefer instead

[forest trench]

Or you could just convert to .chd and rename to whatever you want

[manic citrus]

you're still renaming folders if you're doing a proper setup tho

[forest trench]

true

[timber flint]

You don't have to make folders per game with CHD though.

I just have 4 folders Translations, Europe, Japan, USA, and dump the games in their corresponding regional folder

[desert otter]

You do if you are playing multi disc games and if you want a memory card dedicated to each game

[timber flint]

I wonder how Monster Rancher works

With all the disc swapping

[manic citrus]

you don't have to, but you should make separate folders

on top of the multi disc games and memory card situation, if they are in separate directories the core will auto-reset when you load them

[timber flint]

I don't really care bout separate men cards for every game. But I get why that'd matter to some

[somber steppe]

15 blocks should be enough for everyone.

[timber flint]

I just erase as need be

I am gonna have to go thru my hard drive now though and put all multi disc games into folders. I'm guessing it works the same with with the Sega CD and Saturn cores as well

[mortal oracle]

Nobody will ever need more than 15 blocks of memory

[mortal oracle]

I’ll never understand the resistance to this. Creating the directories and moving the CHDs is like.. 3 lines of bash, and the directories kind of act like individual files for the purposes of the MiSTer anyway (i.e. you don’t need to navigate down another level)

[timber flint]

It's not "resistance" I just found it easy to have all files in regional folders

[mortal oracle]

Every time I read the resistance, I feel like it’s because there’s a a person who thinks they’re going to have to manually “right click, press new folder, copy and paste the name” etc

I don’t just mean you in this case. I’ve read it probably hundreds of times on here 😄

…and then when something doesn’t work properly they complain 😄

[timber flint]

I'll just move all my multi disc games to folders and call it a day

I don't know how to mass create folders in the way you mentioned either

So it would be right click new folder for me

Over 2,000 PSX games on this drive so f that

Add Saturn to that mix and Sega CD too

[desert otter]

@timber flint in case you are interested

@echo off
for %%i in (*) do (
 if not "%%~ni" == "organize" (
  md "%%~ni" && move "%%~i" "%%~ni"
 )
)

just make a .bat file with this, throw it into the location of all your loose files, and run it.

you can just call the file organize.bat

[timber flint]

That's pretty neat. I'll give it a try

[desert otter]

and as for multi disc, each disc will get it's own folder so you will have to manually grab those and put them into a single folder but there's not many of those games out there so shouldn't be too hard

actually... if you have bin and cue files, this will make a folder for each file. so it might cause work in that regard

[somber steppe]

That's how I did it!

[desert otter]

my brain was thinking on the default of having chd which is a single file. totally spaced on the two file setup of bin+cue @timber flint

or... since the file name is the same just type is different it might still only make one folder...

[timber flint]

All my disc images are in chd

[desert otter]

oh well then that removes the possible issue of multiple extra folders lol

[somber steppe]

You know what also removes all possible issues? Doing it by hand. Like me.

[desert otter]

I wouldn't dare. not with a library of 2000 games

as it is though, I get folders for my CHDs by default because the chdman script I have set up creates a folder for the CHD when I run the compression and puts it in there

so I'm not dealing with loose folderless files to begin with

[timber flint]

well i tried it on my translations directory first

since there's only 100 disc images in there

and it worked absolutely perfect so thank you very much!

[sinful bloom]

Hexen says hi

https://imgur.com/TwqYXi9

That's just one character progress out of three

[somber steppe]

I remember diablo also taking an mc for itself.

[mortal oracle]

They all become converts when they see how easy it is 😉

[pearl shell]

Not sure if anyone answered you at all but if you put the noreset.txt file in with the game and go through the insane amount of issues making a multi bin audio CD then this works really well 🙂

[sinful bloom]

Can you make an audio CD bincue out of random mp3s flacs?

What if I wanna see what happens if I have an audio CD that has numerous versions of Rick Astley's Never Gonna Give You Up?

-# and run through all of them in Vib Ribbon

[pearl shell]

So what I did way back when multidisc support was being added was convert flac to wav, make an audio cd iso with them then used isobuster to save each track as a bin then put them all into a cue sheet generator and then copied it to my MiSTer

[shut escarp]

"i just erase as need be" is wild when you have literally infinite memory card space

as need be is never

[feral swift]

You can actually rename the rom files, that's no problem at all, but in doing so you also need to open the .cue file and make sure that the .bin files it points to also get renamed the same way. Otherwise the .cue file will point at nothing and the game will not load when you try to boot it.

[timber flint]

Because why clutter things up

Besides if the point of Mister is to be close to the original experience as possible, I didn't have 17,000 memory cards when I was a kid

[serene nebula]

Sounds like someone’s parents didn’t love them. I got 5,000 memory cards for me birthday one year.

[shut escarp]

as close to the original experiece... + a million nice quality of life things like every game at your fingertips and infinite memory cards

[timber flint]

I had 3. Never needed anymore

[timber flint]

Sure but after I've completed a game I don't really need the save file anymore anyways.

[serene nebula]

Damn ok, I only had 2 lol

[shut escarp]

It took me a while to get a memory card as a kid

[timber flint]

Now VMUs.....

[serene nebula]

I lost even when trolling lol

[timber flint]

I lost count of how many VMUs I owned

[shut escarp]

and i still remember the horror of leaving my PS1 on for WEEKS to eventually unlock and play as Heihachi in Tekken 1.

Then one weekend my mom came down and was cleaning the basement and saw it was on and turned it off

i would like try to hide the ps1 or like put a game on top of it to hide the green LED

[timber flint]

I remember a buddy of mine bought a shit 3rd party memory card m made it to the great glacier in FF7

[shut escarp]

There’s another 4-5 ps1 cards floating around too

[timber flint]

Then his card died

[serene nebula]

lol the ting raider card

That’s awesome

[timber flint]

Never saw that before. That's awesome

[shut escarp]

Ive got saves for a lot of the fighting games that have like 20 characters you gotta unlock by beating the game once for each

Also highly recommend throwing this in your PS1 folder:

https://github.com/Pezz82/MemCard-Pro-Packs

pre-done saves for a huge slew of PS1 games with all unlocks done type thing

[timber flint]

Nice

[shut escarp]

so if you wanna jump into like some racing game and have all the tracks and cars or a fighting game thats missing characters, its really handy

[scenic ledge]

@manic citrus , will the new interlace filter work for N64, Saturn and PSX? Or just PSX?

[manic citrus]

anything that uses 480i

[scenic ledge]

And it is probably advised to turn off the individual interlace solutions to not interfere?

[tawny palm]

I would use it with weave.

[scenic ledge]

Composite Blend hopefully will not interfere as well

[tawny palm]

It does not.

[scenic ledge]

Great. Thank yoy, ppl!

[scenic ledge]

Of course, I was wrong. You cannot fully turn off deinterlacing. Thus I will add the filter to (old) weave

[mortal oracle]

Does anyone else find that with fixed HBlank off that things look more “correct” (i.e. squashed with it on)? My understanding is that fixed HBlank = on is the right aspect ratio, but without a PS1+CRT to check, I can’t be certain

(Similar to the “original” vs “corrected” aspect ratio on the Sega consoles)

Was everything really squashed back in the day? 😅

[sinful bloom]

The aspect ratio through HDMI never matches my CRT

It's not squashed on the CRT, it's slightly stretched horizontally but I can never dial it to be exactly like it on flat panels

[spring elk]

Because CRTs are flawed and imperfect. 😏

[desert otter]

Have you tried choosing the integer option in the core at the top for scaling

Along with h blank and horizontal crop

[sinful bloom]

yes, and it is squashed 4:3 compared to my CRT

[desert otter]

Is your CRT overscanned?

[sinful bloom]

no, not much

[desert otter]

Do you have the Mister itself set to integer scale for output?

[sinful bloom]

it's set to "fit to screen" but it's the same with integer scale output mode

lemme make some screengrabs

[desert otter]

Might depend on the calibration of your crt. If it's set to settings that over scan a little bit and it's not perfectly identical overscan in both directions, it can make your image look a little different

[sinful bloom]

there are no calibrations options there, unless I somehow stumble into the service menu

[desert otter]

What CRT you got

Model

As mentioned CRTs are imperfect. And unless you calibrated it to have the image properly maintaining the aspect ratio then it's possible things are a little off on the CRT

[sinful bloom]

Toshiba 29VH36G

[desert otter]

Oh good a toshi. Should be easy to get into the service menu. Let me look it up.

[desert otter]

Page 34

Use 240p test suite PSX version

[sinful bloom]

Okay, thanks! I'll play with this.

[sinful bloom]

I am gonna lose my mind endlessly tweaking this shit

[mortal oracle]

Oh, the 240p test suite thing - I could use that!

[sinful bloom]

Hey, guess what

https://i.imgur.com/hhMkpsH.mp4

There's mouse support in GEC's Doom Master Edition

Awesome

[abstract drift]

quite a lot of psx shooters support mouse its nice

[timber flint]

Never heard of Doom Master Edition. What all does it add?

[desert otter]

you can only do so much with the menu, but it's looking pretty good in these pictures with no overscan or weird parabelum effects.
I hope you aren't basing the aspect ratio off how the mister OSD looks cuz that'll always be more squished on a CRT

[sinful bloom]

nah, it's based on linearity test on circles

[sinful bloom]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101161-gec-master-edition-psx-doom-for-the-playstation-beta-4-released-11162022/

all Doom 1, Doom 2, Master Levels, TNT Evilution, Plutonia and even Sigil maps (the current beta builds don't have og PSX maps though, not yet)

as well as scraps

-# yay even more shitty maps by Christen Klei

[desert otter]

if it's not looking right to you, then perhaps the service manual mentions default values you can reset things to and tweak out from there again

[sinful bloom]

I think I dialed it down right and it looks like the flat panel now

[desert otter]

nice. gg.

and now you have a CRT picture that doesn't bug you anymore and you can enjoy

did you use 240p test suite on PSX to dial it in? @sinful bloom

[sinful bloom]

yes

[desert otter]

if so, did you ever switch it into 240p mode or did you do it all in the default mode?

[sinful bloom]

both 224p and 240p

I am currently working so can't play much right now

[desert otter]

ah. I was just gonna say if you dial it in for 224p that'll cover PSX and Sega Genesis well, and 240p will simply be slightly overscanned top and bottom

[timber flint]

That's pretty sweet

[waxen elk]

Does it actually have every map? Viewing the map list on the post I just see unique maps that weren't in the original psx/final doom

[sinful bloom]

They are aiming to put in everything including scraps that didn't make it into Master Levels

-# oh joy

Right now only previously missing levels are in the .bin with merger with original game for all the levels planned for final release

[waxen elk]

Ah okay. I shall wait then.

[zinc jungle]

I absolutely have to ask

Any Bemani heads test out Pop'n, Beatmania 5 Key, GuitarFreaks, etc?

Controllers and games?

[serene nebula]

Yeah, all works great

[violet dirge]

Hey everyone. Does anyone know if the PSX PWM core is up to date with the latest changes?

[desert otter]

Hmmm.

Did we get any changes recently?

Oh yeah, The weave thing. I don't know if that was pushed to main yet though

The weave thing is kind of useless though if you are using a CRT

At which point I would say the pwmcore is up to date enough with the version before all this new de interlacing stuff.

https://github.com/Jokippo/MiSTer_PWM_Cores/tree/main/_ConsolePWM

you can download PWM here. as well as PWM versions of the turbo/overclock cores

[violet dirge]

Perfect, thank you!

[violet dirge]

I went down the color rabbit hole… Would the 16bit be more similar to a real psx than the 24bit/pwm?

[sinful bloom]

I don't think I've ever seen a real PS1 with color banding

[zinc jungle]

Ive wanted to ask so I know

Any ways to get accessories for the PS1 to work?

NeGCon, Fightsticks, Mouse, etc?

I wanna play Ridge Racer with this

[spark ermine]

Snac

[zinc jungle]

Oh okay!

[tender tartan]

PS1 supports 24-bit color modes, so no

[tropic stratus]

@violet dirge when looking at the color modes, you have to make sure to keep the context:

• PS1 supports 24 bit for 2D content only, 3D(gpu rendered) is only 16bit
• In the core, the 16bit rendering option behaves exactly like that(with 24bit for 2D). If you enable 24bit rendering, 3D does also allow 24bit

[serene nebula]

Leave all core options at default and it’ll be like an original PS1

[violet dirge]

Thank you @tropic stratus. I really appreciate this detailed explanation.🙂

[desert otter]

With PWM, assuming they are using a 6.1 board because otherwise anytime there is content trying to output higher than 18bit it'll get that color banding issue

So not 100% like an actual PS1

If they are using a pro board that can do up to 24bit output then they won't need PWM.

[shut escarp]

It works like a charm through SNAC, Ive played a bunch of R4 with NeGcon and Jogcon

[bright yacht]

Anyone with experience with this controller?

I'm using one with snac and pop'n music game but the buttons are all messed up.

[serene nebula]

I have it, I think.

[zinc jungle]

Someone mentioned them working!

That's the Pop'n music controller for PS1 yeah?

[serene nebula]

Yeah, worked fine for me through SNAC

[bright yacht]

This is a 3rd party one (from Blaze). Buttons are totally out of order.

[zinc jungle]

Ohhh

[bright yacht]

WTF

[spring elk]

For use with BLEEM 😄

[bright yacht]

This thing is not a pop'n music controller

[serene nebula]

Damn, I love weird ass controllers like that

[bright yacht]

I would love to play pop'n music and not that bizarre game

[serene nebula]

Yeah that’s my pop ‘n controller

[bright yacht]

Mine is a poop controller

[desert otter]

Poopin controller

[bright yacht]

The more I search, things are getting weirder...

Lol. I cant even test the controller as I dont have the game... And...

[zinc jungle]

Wtf

[desert otter]

Yeah, only the Pokemon one has been archived

https://bootleggames.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon_Crazy_Hit

Bootleg games

[still palm]

maybe you can rewire it.

[bright yacht]

For pop'n music, it wont work... some buttons sends multiple button presses.
But I can try to make it work via usb. The core have a pop'n mode.

[bright yacht]

Testing it right now. Awful game! XD

[zinc jungle]

That's not Pikachu, that's Chuggaflu

[desert otter]

That Pikachu is for the streets

[chilly kraken]

@ornate lance I am going to assume you are the same jacob vincent who reported the PSX crash bug on github. If so, try this build of main #dev-talk message

[hushed sentinel]

Pikachu wtf

[lusty coral]

One more mercenaries run and the rocket launcher has been unlocked. (One of my favourite games on one of my favourite cores)

[scenic ledge]

Crazy Hits?

[lusty coral]

Resident Evil 3

(The Mercenaries mode)

[somber steppe]

I never liked rankings in games. I'm not having fun getting good ones yet I feel compelled to ace them all.

[broken timber]

It’s funny, when RE 3 came out it didn’t click with me at all. I was a big fan of 1 and 2, but with Nemesis, I finished it once and that was it.
I decided to give the game a chance again on the mister core a few years back, and playing it on hard mode I finally GOT the game. Now I keep coming back to it once every few months

[lusty coral]

RE3 and Code Veronica are my favourites.

[sinful bloom]

RE3 is my first survival horror game and I cherish that

[broken timber]

Yeah, I think playing the easy/light mode setting kinda killed it for me the first time around. The depth of the ammo mixing system as well as the branching paths… really well made.

Code Veronica I need to revisit. That’s another one I haven’t played since DC

Or no, wait, I did play CVX as well

But even that was like… 2001 or 2002?

Did you play the other two in the PSX trilogy, Wesley?

[lusty coral]

On the PSX, I had 1,2,3 and survivor.

My most played would be 3, then 2, then 1 and finally survivor.

I didn't have Silent Hill growing up so I was a bit late to that. Not really played any Dino crisis nor parasite eve. (Can't think of anymore survival/psychological horrors).

Oh, I haven't played clock tower either

(I know you didn't ask me but I thought I'd chime in haha)

[bright yacht]

Got it working as a pop n music controller on the core. Can finally enjoy the game 🙂

[broken timber]

Haha no worries, I appreciate the answer 😊

Silent Hill is really awesome too. Aaand you really oughta try out Dino Crisis!

[serene nebula]

Yeah RE3 didn’t feel like a step forward for the franchise at all. Especially with Code Veronica on the Dreamcast and the rumors of it being the true sequel but couldn’t be a numbered entry because of a Sony deal.

[broken timber]

You still feel the same way about the two entries?

[serene nebula]

Huh

[broken timber]

RE3 vs CV I mean

Or are you saying that’s what it felt like back then, but now you’ve changed your mind?

[serene nebula]

Oh I dunno. I think I appreciate the Nemesis gameplay more than when I was a kid and I think I’m less impressed with Code Veronica now as I was back then.

[chilly kraken]

We didn’t have the vocabulary back then, but I think if re3 came out today, we would have called it dlc for re2. CV felt like the true sequel

[spring elk]

Yeah, that's an accurate description.

[broken timber]

It sure is if we’re talking about the remake of RE3 😛

[serene nebula]

They’re both cool games for different reasons. I think back then, as a kid, it was like an either or scenario for me. One had to be better and the other had to be inferior.

Which is of course dumb. I think they’re both great in different ways.

[broken timber]

I see what you’re saying though

[spring elk]

I appreciate both though... similarly to how I appreciate Castlevania: Bloodlines, even though it was quite the deviation from the norm. Truth be told, it's one of my favorites in the franchise.

Same way I feel about the Terminator: Salvation movie. At least it had the guts to try something different. 😉

[serene nebula]

I’m only talking for myself here but I feel as a kid I was a lot more close minded when games did something different. Not that I didn’t like it but I always felt like it was bad when a game deviated from expectations. Now that’s what I love, yes do something wacky with the established norms of the franchise, it’s fun.

[spring elk]

I was the same way. When I was younger, I just wanted more of the same.

...because I was younger and didn't know any better. 😄

[mortal oracle]

TLoU2 entered the conversation

[spring elk]

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say 'wacky'.
Terminator: Genisys was wacky.
Please don't do that again...

[mortal oracle]

But it had the… confidence? to try something different

[serene nebula]

Yeaaaaah gimme da wacky

[broken timber]

Well, when it comes to Terminator I feel like we said all we had to say with two (great) movies

[serene nebula]

Like Mario Odyssey

It’s wacky

[mortal oracle]

I love that game

Best 3D Mario by a long way (although I haven’t played galaxy 2)

[spring elk]

Astro Bot did it better...
runs and hides

[serene nebula]

don’t make me choose, I can’t do it

[spring elk]

It's tough, ain't it?

They're both sooo good.

[mortal oracle]

I still need to get that one

[serene nebula]

it’s brilliant man

[mortal oracle]

Maybe after Lunar is over

[serene nebula]

Especially if you love Sony

[mortal oracle]

I don’t love Sony

[serene nebula]

I lose my mind over all the nostalgia tugs that game does

[mortal oracle]

I tolerate them 😂

[spring elk]

It's been a long time since a game made me feel that good while playing it... just grinning almost the whole time. Astro Bot is such a joy to experience.

[mortal oracle]

They killed my beloved Shenmue

And then revived it

[mortal oracle]

We all know you love a good tug

[lusty coral]

I just read some Slander about RE3

I am not happy

[serene nebula]

I was there for the Shenmue 3 kickstarter reveal at the Sony press conference. It was like pure adulation and then absolute confusion as to why Sony just wasn’t paying for it and resorting to Kickstarter.

[mortal oracle]

it’s libel

[serene nebula]

RE3, more like RE Pee

[mortal oracle]

Literally cried tears of joy at that reveal. No form of entertainment has ever done that

[lusty coral]

I am extremely disappointed.

😦

[mortal oracle]

But that’s cos it had such an impact in my life and I’d given up hope

[serene nebula]

RE3 is like someone made Resident Evil but said “let’s make it bad”

[serene nebula]

And that’s why you’re always out at the docks looking for sailors

[hushed sentinel]

I didn't know there was a a shenmue >1

[mortal oracle]

Exactly

[mortal oracle]

Play go back to 2001 and Shenmue 2

[lusty coral]

Because of that blasphemy Robby. I will not release the Virtual Boy core I have 100% built.

[hushed sentinel]

oh was that shenmue 2

I thought it was shenmue 1

[mortal oracle]

3 is disappointing, but it always would have been. 2 is a masterpiece

[serene nebula]

No I am sorry, I was kidding!

[hushed sentinel]

walking around town.exe

that's shenmue

[mortal oracle]

The first, yes

[hushed sentinel]

oh?

[mortal oracle]

But nothing had ever had that level of realism or detail before

The second has a lot more action and story

[hushed sentinel]

hmm

[lusty coral]

Going back to my retropie raspberry pi 3 now.

I bet the retropie discord really enjoy RE3.

[hushed sentinel]

I may have merged 1 and 2 in my mind, I meant the Dreamcast one

[mortal oracle]

1 and 2 both came out on the Dreamcast

In Europe at least

Only the US didn’t get 2 on the DC

1 is in Yokosuka, 2 is in Hong Kong/China

[hushed sentinel]

yes I'm in europe

[hushed sentinel]

hmm so is shenmue 3 called shenmue 2 in the US?

[mortal oracle]

No

[serene nebula]

Hello Europe

[mortal oracle]

They’re three different games

[hushed sentinel]

I realize that yes but

sometimes they skip one or more

[mortal oracle]

Shenmue 3 came out in the USA as Shenmue 3

[hushed sentinel]

alright

[serene nebula]

Europe more like Ur Slop

[mortal oracle]

How are those tariffs treating you?

[serene nebula]

I only buy American made products!

[manic citrus]

we're making China PAY

[mortal oracle]

I’m sorry

[hushed sentinel]

so what is Shamoo

[serene nebula]

I’m actually am a big fan of the Evercade and they’re a British company.

[hushed sentinel]

well how grand of you

[serene nebula]

They stopped distributing to the US for the time being lol

[mortal oracle]

Raspberry Pis are also made in the UK

[serene nebula]

I also just told their marketing director to stop posting everslop lol

[mortal oracle]

As is the MiSTer multi-system

[serene nebula]

I like OOHKERS

[mortal oracle]

Hookers with dyslexia?

[serene nebula]

people from the U.K.

That’s how you pronounce it right

[hushed sentinel]

please don't pronounce it

[mortal oracle]

Oh yeah, of course

[cosmic tulip]

I think code veronica x did a lot to damage that game's reputation

[somber steppe]

I only played the gc version. How is it worse?

[cosmic tulip]

Lot of story additions that kinda ruin it

Wesker was a late game reveal that sort of turned the script on its head

Now he appears earlier and is very clearly super juiced earlier

[mortal oracle]

Spoilers bro

(I don’t really mind)

[cosmic tulip]

Over 20 years old I think is a moratorium on that personally. Plus hes on the back cover of the ps2 version

[mortal oracle]

I don’t really agree on a retro gaming discord, but I don’t care enough to argue about it

[cosmic tulip]

Fair enough

[sinful bloom]

He's on the freaking title screen

[cosmic tulip]

Lol

[sinful bloom]

Anyhoo back to PS1 goodness

https://i.imgur.com/3Sb8JCI.mp4

[mortal oracle]

I’ll give you both that one 😂

[sinful bloom]

I am going to spend unhealthy amount of time to see how many PS1 games support the mouse now

I am also curious if there were good options back in the 90s to output PS1 to the CRT monitor

[cosmic tulip]

See this is why I hope the mistest/mister 2 has dreamcast capacity. Because I want more folks to play og cv

[sinful bloom]

And actual good mouse options

[mortal oracle]

My life would be complete with DS and DC cores

[cosmic tulip]

See I want to live to a point where we can see either 7th gen fpga or static recompilation for xbox, gc and ps2

And dreamcast

There are so many games that need something better than emulation

Mainly seaman

And d2 and illbleed

And blue stinger with restored fixed cameras

God I love dreamcast

Favorite console with the most limited library

[sinful bloom]

ah, there ya go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m0keN5vN4E

[forest trench]

I actually still have one of these, was using it before I got a ps1digital
(and I actually still have the ps1digital, was using it before the MiSTer core 🙃 )

[sinful bloom]

you ever had issues with PS1 freezing or stopping reading data?

I took a look and the caps are all fine so whatever my woes are they're hidden under a soldered heatsink plate where the XStation is

[forest trench]

Well, like most people I had that with a real drive in '96, but never since X-Station

The interesting thing about the Waka is that it's the only officially licensed 'upscaler' ever produced for a console. Has it's own SLPH peripheral number.

[sinful bloom]

I got a stupid thing on my mind

what's the highest resolution MiSTer (cores) can output? just 480i?

is uprezzing to some magnamous 960p to HDMI out of the question?

[crisp ether]

minimig can do 1920x1080 with RTG

[mortal oracle]

Good job you have a MiSTer!

[sinful bloom]

I'm dumb, it was a 256gb kingston on my XStation

I'm testing out the 128gb sandisk ultra that was on my MiSTer

[sinful bloom]

Oh, goodie

I am shelving it back

I don't think Driver 2 loads it's missions for 10 minutes

[lapis creek]

Beautiful clean white walls you got there

[sinful bloom]

It's darkish gray

but thanks, was fussing long over them

[broken timber]

I love the idea of DC on an FPGA as we would then be very close to covering all the major consoles of the 90s. Having a PS2 implementation would be a dream come true (unlikely, I know, but I can still dream), considering how finicky PS2 modding and emulation can be

[cosmic tulip]

Which is why I think static recomp will work better in the long run

If there is a FAR OFF console I want... its probably PSP on fpga

[cosmic tulip]

But then you'd need to run something that can get up to 333 mhz and its gpu

The only reason it ~might~ be possible is the fact that its not much more powerful than a dreamcast

[broken timber]

yeah, but then we're really reaching, I'm sure

Anyway

Did you ever play Dino Crisis 2? I've heard it's good, but very different from the first one. Thinking about getting into it soon

[cosmic tulip]

yeah its basically an arcade game

I like

it

the true survival horror sequel is Dino Crisis 3 and... welll

best leave it at that

[rapid garden]

Xbox exclusive 🙂

[cosmic tulip]

more to the point terrible TERRIBLE fixed camera angles

[broken timber]

Gotcha, so no need to even try 3 then?

[cosmic tulip]

Well its an interesting story

But its just... borked

But if you got like a working xbox it wouldn't be a terrible waste of a couple hours. Just frustrating

[spark ermine]

Dino crisis 3 killed the franchise haha

Dinosaurs in space

[cosmic tulip]

I mean technically there was Dino Stalker which they said is within canon

But yeah

[rapid garden]

Dino Crisis 3 killed it and Exoprimal covered the coffin in cement

[cosmic tulip]

Actually no.

1. exoprimal is not DC related
2. There are rumblings of a RE2R style remake

It is consistently the top of the "What games do you want remade" surveys they put out every quarter

[sinful bloom]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1568800/Dino_Crisis_Original_Soundtrack/

capcom put this out

a while ago

without any sort of rereleases

-# why

oh, it's on gog now

[cosmic tulip]

yep

and DC2

[sinful bloom]

question

is there a concise, complete, readily accessible repository of PlayStation demo discs?

[broken timber]

EU discs? I believe there is one on the usual site

(Like ps magazine stuff)

[sinful bloom]

all regions

[broken timber]

Hmmmm, ok then I’m not sure, sorry

[waxen elk]

Does psx require opening the osd to save? Maybe it's just saving really fast, but half the time I check it says it's already saved

[sinful bloom]

it does save visibly to me

assuming you did set it to "Save on OSD"

[waxen elk]

Yeah. Guess some saves are small enough that it's near instant

[sinful bloom]

try Hexen and its chonkin' 16 blocks of save data

[lusty coral]

I also make sure that when I quit and turn off the mister. Il always go into the OSD menu and click reboot.

[strong hatch]

Tbh if you look at the franchise, there is no consistency lol
DC1 : classic style survival horror
DC2: action game
DC3: action game in space
DS: lightgun game

I would really like a full on remake of 1 done nicely, but like, this franchise has never really had a clear vision lol

But yeah, the re-release of the games on GoG is at least something, there is definitely interest in revisiting the series for something new

[spark ermine]

I hope they do decide to remake dino crisis and it performed well sale wise so maybe they'll decide its worth reviving the franchise with another entry

[cosmic tulip]

Check archive I found a complete collection of dreamcast demo disks

[hushed sentinel]

is Dino Rex basically Dino Crisis 4

(before you say it, I know it's not LITERALLY)

[chilly kraken]

I mean it has half the name

[hushed sentinel]

yeah

[zinc jungle]

Has anyone tested out X5 Addendum?

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6131/

[lapis creek]

I finished the game with both X and zero with no issues

[bitter lintel]

Opening theme replaced with the Japanese opening song “Monkey”

best romhack

[sinful bloom]

`Enigma/Shuttle RNG exceptions:

Enigma/Shuttle launch with no parts will always fail.
Shuttle launch with all 4 parts will always succeed.`

and that's how it should be

the way vanilla game generated a random seed is BULLSHIT

easily manipulatable but god damn

Cutscenes and dialogues skip by pressing START

also as huge as shutting up Alia

yeah these are all great changes, I approve

[zinc jungle]

Exactly

[zinc jungle]

Also yesss

Alia can be turned off in the menu at the start

[silent bridge]

Used it for RR, RRR, and RageRacer. Was absolutely perfect for the games.

[bitter lintel]

never played mega man x5

played a few on the nes and x on snes

[sinful bloom]

it's a polarizing game that comes off as cheaply made after X4

[bitter lintel]

not finished one

i like the boss music in 8

[hushed sentinel]

I dunno, I think X4 was the most surprising, being a space game

no sign of mega man

[sinful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-bored-tired-not-in-the-mood-monkey-gif-16493448

[harsh shale]

I've beaten mega man 2 and got to the end of X lol

[somber steppe]

The megaman games are too hard for me

I like their style though.

[harsh shale]

Megaman 2 is a lot easier than I remember

[hushed sentinel]

is it

hmm

maybe I should try them again

[tulip moat]

Mega Man 2 mainly suffers from several "do-or-die" scenarios, but otherwise it's mostly fair enough.

[harsh shale]

I was shocked that I could beat most bosses with just the Mega buster

[harsh shale]

Yeah the crash bomb screen is some BS but just save state and look up the right order lol

[sinful bloom]

"Normal Mode" is a new easy mode to americans

"Difficult" is the original difficulty

it is a great introduction to newbies nonetheless and less patronizing than the platforms over bottomless pits in MM10

[harsh shale]

I've only ever played the US version on normal

I suspect most people are

[pallid quartz]

It's literally the list of my favourites to some extent xD Great fighters in there

[pallid quartz]

I'm curious: does the 2x core pinned up there contain the new deinterlacing method?

[serene nebula]

Probably not

[void scroll]

The new deinterlacing method is not core dependent. You can use it with any core as long as you are using the latest mister unstable. Just set the deinterlacing method to weave and set a intl filter in the video filters section.

[manic citrus]

eventually the cores will have the improved bob, but honestly I'm not sure how useful it even is at this point

[chilly kraken]

It will fix the weird cropping stuff on the morph

[manic citrus]

shouldn't you be feeding the morph DV without bob anyways?

[somber steppe]

Yeah, I'm not aware of any cropping issues on the tink.

[chilly kraken]

it bob’s twice in DV

[chilly kraken]

load up fighting vipers and you’ll see

[chilly kraken]

there are none, it’s morph only

You can also load up any jaguar game

or turn bob on in the PSX core

[somber steppe]

Wild. But how? DV is just the interlaced signal, isn't it? The mister doesn't do anything like bob or weave or whatever to it, it's all the scaler, isn't it?

[chilly kraken]

it is something with the current bob being a hack. at least I think that is what zakk said

that video is from when I was troubleshooting it with the morph guys

[somber steppe]

Well, they were shooting blanks then.

[chilly kraken]

[manic citrus]

you shouldn't have bob on if you're using dv

that's the solution

I know you're not trying to have a multi-purpose mister here. if you want one that you can use with non-DV hdmi, you damn well know you need to purchase yet another mister!

and yeah, bob strips the field flag internally on the mister, so the bit of code that relies on that to set the DV metadata no longer sees the video is interlaced so it unsets the flag

[chilly kraken]

how do I turn it off?

because things like the jaguar core just have it on

(even in DV)

[somber steppe]

Just buy a tink.

[chilly kraken]

Have one 🙂

morph is for my desk upstairs

[manic citrus]

what games on jag are interlaced?

[somber steppe]

Step 2: throw morph in the trash.

[chilly kraken]

It happens on the bios

[chilly kraken]

but did you see how pretty it is?!

[manic citrus]

jag seems fine here. there's no deinterlacing involved with jag

[chilly kraken]

in DV?

[manic citrus]

yes

Troy Aikman is blessing my screen as we speak

[chilly kraken]

This is what troy looks like for me

both the morph and the core are in default settings 🤷‍♂️

[somber steppe]

I always assumed that morph and tink are pretty comparable. I think @serene nebula has morph friends that gave him one for free. Maybe he could use his corrupt power to make them fix it?

[manic citrus]

it works fine on my morph

[chilly kraken]

I wish I knew what setting it was - it does this on the TV downstairs too

[somber steppe]

Can you update it or something?

Maybe a fresh ini

[chilly kraken]

it's running the frimware from literally today

yeah, just did a factory reset ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic citrus]

lmao, it's the morph firmware

I just updated from some 3.9 to 3.11 and now mine is messed up too

riot

[somber steppe]

Can you downgrade?

[manic citrus]

yeah

[chilly kraken]

Oh no shit?

Let me know if downgrading fixes it

[manic citrus]

I'll do it later today/tonight. I helpfully don't remember which 3.9 I was on

[somber steppe]

Downgrade to a tink then.

[manic citrus]

I already have too many scalers

[chilly kraken]

Let me try some versions.

[manic citrus]

I updated to 3.9 like a month or two ago so pretty recently

[serene nebula]

It's really nice

[chilly kraken]

Mike saves us from sinning by not releasing tink4k STLs

[somber steppe]

Tink4k STDs?

No thanks!

[serene nebula]

@grand dirge just bringing your attention to this

[chilly kraken]

i'm tracking down whihc version it broke in right meow

was going to ping him in the dev channel so we stopped shitting up the psx channel with our nonsense

[somber steppe]

Right meow!

[chilly kraken]

https://tenor.com/bjPcw.gif

[desert otter]

Goated movie

[grand dirge]

sure, spend over twice the money (close to RTX 5080 money) for pretty much same results

[grand dirge]

forwarded it to team

[somber steppe]

It has analog inputs!!!!

[desert otter]

Pretty sure the tink4k is only $750 and the cut down version of the 4K is like $400.

[grand dirge]

$475

vs $375 for Morph

[desert otter]

Yeah. A 5080 is like.... $2000

[grand dirge]

same ADC chips

msrp is $999

it's as close to price as 5080 as it is the morph lol

[desert otter]

Msrp don't mean shit

[grand dirge]

wait closer

[desert otter]

Actual retail prices are all that matter

[grand dirge]

way to focus on the wrong thing lol

jesus

[serene nebula]

I'm very happy we have options for scalers.

[chilly kraken]

can you call yourself a retro gamer if you don't buy both?

[somber steppe]

Don't forget that the internal scaler on mister is an option as well, and it's FREE! So best choice for the money!

[grand dirge]

best scaler

[desert otter]

Just get a crt

[chilly kraken]

IM TRYING STOP TAUNTING ME

[zinc jungle]

So I got a question for y'all

Any of you try any GT hacks on MiSTer?

https://taiyoracingcompany.com.ar/aspec/

Like GT2 A-Spec

At work, thinking of trying it but doubting it would work lol

[desert otter]

If it works on original hardware it should in theory work perfectly fine on MiSTer

[digital zinc]

Trying it out real quick, seems to be working just fine on MiSTer. Can go into the new menus, hear new music, and do some license tests

[zinc jungle]

Oh sweet

[zinc jungle]

I keep forgetting MiSTer emulates hardware

[zinc jungle]

My Snax comes Tuesday with the PSX adapter!!!

Excited

[desert otter]

Yes. And from what I know pretty much all cores are fine with ROM hacks that work on original hardware.
The only exception right now would be still in development cores like Saturn and cores that are not 100% perfectly like original hardware due to not having enough logic for it on the fpga or something to do with the DDR3 memory which would be the N64 core (which currently at the moment has people developing a compatibility list for ROM hacks)

But PSX is complete and not missing anything and pretty much perfect as far as I know so all games hacks/mods that work on original hardware should work on the core

[serene nebula]

Sorta, it’s a speed issue with the DDR3, not a logic issue.

The only missing “feature” is the mpeg board compatibility but that’s mainly due to lack of interest than hardware limitations.

The DDR3 speed issue can also be fixed by using the fast timings option in the single sdram version of the core or using dual sdram.

[desert otter]

That requires manually changing it for the specific use case right? Or using an mpl?

[serene nebula]

For the mpeg card? I do not know, it’s been requested since 2023 but there’s no interest to implement it.

[desert otter]

Can y'all explain how you guys are getting the gradient applied to your username?

[desert otter]

I'm talking about the ddr3 speed thing you mentioned

[serene nebula]

It’s some server feature thing, I don’t know. Birdybro/Kitrinx changed it.

[serene nebula]

Yes it’s a manual toggle-able option.

It hasn’t been thoroughly tested for every single game out there to see if it breaks comparability which is why it’s off by default.

But so far no one has reported it breaking any games. 🤷‍♂️

[desert otter]

I think they've applied it to most all the default roles in the server. But I might have to ping one of them and ask them if they can apply it to the custom roles like mine

[rigid ruin]

I suppose the only issues I've ever encountered with the psx core is with some of the PAL modes, the NTSC versions are always fine. Quickest demo of a PAL issue would be the intro video of Gran Turismo, where the video appears at the top of the screen instead of vertically in the middle. But it always causes issues with vscale options too, even at 60Hz

[lusty coral]

Right

Ive heard there's some deinterlacing core or something for the PSX. I have a couple of questions

Is there a 2xcpu version?

Is there a noticeable difference in the deinterlacing? My mister is connected to my TV via hdmi if that makes a difference

[manic citrus]

it's just a different version of bob that doesn't bounce as much. honestly use a unstable main and use the new interlaced vertical filter. for high motion stuff set some sort of interpolation there to smooth out the motion combing artifacts

[lusty coral]

Okay dokey, thank you Zakk.

[tawny palm]

I do still think the new bob is worth keeping since it's just a different vibe. It provides a sharper image than the other option with a pretty minimal bounce effect.

[shadow fractal]

Thanks lol

[covert rapids]

Hi all, could use some help troubleshooting. I had the PSX core work for me once, then I turned on DV1. After that, I just get a black screen on load. No bios splash screen.

I've deleted the core, bios files, and ran update_all again, which put everything back. Same behavior. I see one of the pinned messages mentions deleting the core config. Can someone point me to where that's stored? I didn't see an obvious location for it on the file system

Switching back to DV 0 doesn't fix it 😦

[desert otter]

It's in the config folder

[chilly kraken]

when it boots, can you still open the menu?

[covert rapids]

Yup, can still open the menu. When I load a game it displays a region in the upper left, but nothing.

Thanks I'll dig for the config folder when I have a moment. Guessing it's not in media/fat

[chilly kraken]

I'd bet it's the bios

are you loading everything off an SD card?

[covert rapids]

Games are off a CIFS share, but like I said, no BIOS splash screen. The ones downloaded by update_all should be correct right?

[chilly kraken]

yes, but it depends on where the core is looking

are the bios files on the cifs share?

(they need to be)

In theory, update all should be putting them in your cifs share, but if the cifs isn't mounted when you launch update all, it will put them on the SD card

[covert rapids]

That did it. Moving the boot from files to the CIFS share allowed the core to boot! Odd that it's not really mentioned in the GitHub. It's pretty explicit about having them in games/psx

Thanks for the help!

[chilly kraken]

It’s because, when you mount cifs, your cifs share becomes /games/psx

[shut escarp]

@tropic stratus

Thought you’d appreciate this. One of the local guys in the Rhythm game scene made a board that lets you interface the arcade pads to USB, PS2, GC, or Xbox

[manic citrus]

system 573 core when

[hushed sentinel]

we already have DDR memory

it's a done deal

[shut escarp]

Someone was trying to sell him on it not long ago…. I would love it obviously lol

[tropic stratus]

Looks good. I have this one currently, 1ms USB is fine for me 🙂

The arcade DDR games would be interesting for sure. Hopefully they are not that hard as the japanese DDR games on ps1.
I mean, the US ones you can miss 15-30 steps each track.
On the Japanese it yells at you if you missed 1 at all and if you miss like 3-4 in a row you loose instantly

[hushed sentinel]

man they're serious about fun

[shut escarp]

LTEK makes really solid stuff for sure

[lapis creek]

Same one I have, they make really good mats

[tropic stratus]

Only downside i noticed is some corrosion(?) on the detection metals below the plates.
After some months of not using it, I had to open it and scratch with a knife between the metals.
Simple solution: I'm using it 1-2 times per week now.
Good for the device and for me 🙂

[hushed sentinel]

sweat is quite corrosive

[somber steppe]

My sweat destroyed the charging contacts on my Fitbit. That's why I wear a casio gshock gbd200 now.

[hushed sentinel]

is it moulded as one piece or something?

[somber steppe]

The gbd200 has a stainless steel back and runs on a cr2032 battery, so no contacts that could corrode. But it still has a step counter so I can track my daily exercise.

[red lodge]

Apologies if this is already detailed somewhere, but when playing a multi disc game, how do I consolidate the saves into one .SAV file?

Context: playing Armored Core: Master of Arena, a 2 disc game. Completed the 1st disc. Can't find an option to switch 'discs' (.bin/cue files) while the game is running. When running disc 2 from boot, I had to manually mount the disc 1 save, but from there it's not clear if it then writes to the disc 1 save, or creates a separate disc 2 save from that.

[manic citrus]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/cd/?h=multi#multi-disc-games

[red lodge]

Ah, whoops. I suppose I'll just have to rename the .SAV to the title of the subfolder, then.

Thank you!

[bitter lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-cage-fabulous-gif-5425947

[red lodge]

Ok, have I done this wrong?
I put disc 1 and 2 inside a subfolder, and renamed the save, but it still created a 'Disc 1' save on boot.

Game folder.

Game subfolder containing both discs.

Still created a 'Disc 1' save.

The non-disc-specific renamed save is directly above it. I had to mount it manually again.

[manic citrus]

you have directories inside of directories

both discs files need to be in that same directory, the 'Armored Core - Master of Arena' one

[red lodge]

Oh. I see.

[dusky ore]

snek board?

Or something different

[shut escarp]

yup snekboard

[dusky ore]

I know the person who makes those, good stuff

I would love to get a DDR cab but I just don't have enough space

[shut escarp]

Yeah I met him at MaxMode a couple weeks ago, they ran an ITGmania event alongside all the fighting games

[shadow fractal]

I'm trying to get Bishi Bashi Special working with a second player using a snac adaptor. Every other two player game works fine but Bishi Bashi for whatever reason only detects player 1

I just figured it out lmao

Player one selects BOTH players

Then the controllers work in the main game

[ruby ermine]

Finally decided to try and sell my complete PS1 Playstation Underground demo disc collection. Its so hard to not pull the listing for these.

[fierce shale]

Just noticed a bug, R Type Delta playing just now - latest core, the walker on stage 3, its legs dont work correctly - it never lifts them but instead just judders

PSX v250102 R Type Delta USA

[dark mountain]

Okay, I've done a savestate just before entering the third stage.

MiSTer v250430
PSX v250401 >> Sole change is the new deinterlacing method implemented.

I can't see any issue right there @fierce shale

The game works as intended, please verify with the savestate, and if you don't a cheat code activated which could break your game.
And finally, try to change your game dump.

[serene nebula]

MiSTer wins again!

[spring elk]

Gottem!

[mortal oracle]

MiSTer is a scam

[bright girder]

It’s not working on my mars console

[dark mountain]

Next time, try with a Neptune.

[harsh shale]

Was literally what that one dude said in his video lol

Canadian gamer or something?

[rapid garden]

it's called mars cause you have to go to the planet Mars to get one. also it's a one way trip. also you die. also there is no console.

[little frost]

I remember that. He was either ragebaiting or generally just didn’t understand what MiSTer actually is. I remember he kept referring to it as an upscaler

[foggy quiver]

All this talk about MiSTer successors. It just confuses new users, they think they will wait for the next big thing which then never happens.

[chilly kraken]

There is no mister successor

It’s that easy

[river otter]

Only ZUUL

[chilly kraken]

Mars may be a real thing. Taki’s new board may be a real thing. The de25 nano may be a real thing

But they aren’t right now

And so there is no successor

[chilly kraken]

Tell them about the Twinkie

[river otter]

God I need to watch that movie again some time, its been so long

Hearing everyone chanting "GHOSTBUSTERS" to the theme song at the end of the movie in the cinema is such a core memory

[chilly kraken]

It is one of my favorites. My godmother took me to see it in the theater when I was two and I’m told I sat quietly for the whole movie and watched it. First movie I saw in theaters technically

[river otter]

Damn, couldn't imagine what was going inside your little brain at two in that movie 😂

[chilly kraken]

I remember not liking the librarian reveal for a while after. Other than that it was fine. I guess the dog in the closet scared me for a bit too

[ruby ermine]

Chat GPT is helping me make a Solid Snake Poggers Emote LUL

[cosmic tulip]

That's not poggers
Chatgpt is feeding you pepe

Also it looks bad

[visual depot]

It looks hilarious personally.

[ruby ermine]

Its so bad its funny LOL

[spring elk]

❕

[ruby ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/pixelart-mgs-metalgearsolid-ui-alert-gif-7311955311579892943

[fierce shale]

i posted a video of my R Type Delta issue if anyone has played it and can look, https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues/313#issuecomment-2892239311

walker acting funky

[bright girder]

I’m also a Canadian gamer, and Mister has destroyed my finances because I had to take out two mortgages to buy it.

[lusty coral]

#1046940919607345272 message

[fierce shale]

will try without the cheat on but this is what happens

[void scroll]

I did try it when you first posted the issue but couldn't replicate it. Have you tried different region dumps?

[fierce shale]

verrrry interesting

so I just tried it without the no death cheat on and it works fine. TBF I dont usually play it with cheats on at all and was messing around with settings so that is curious as to why that causes it... but without works fine

[dark mountain]

So, the cheat was breaking the logic of the boss.

[fierce shale]

yes weird

[cosmic tulip]

Lol I luckily got my order in from digikey.ca before they hiked the prices

[bright girder]

I got mine from all over in about 2019. Smokemonsters countdown (specifically the neogeo part) made me pull the trigger

[cosmic tulip]

Yeah I bought mine in 2023 from digikey and mister addons but my dad passed away so I didnt fully build mine till early 2024

[void scroll]

It wouldn't be the first time cheats break something in game.

[spring elk]

So it's probably good to close that issue then.

[dark mountain]

The issue should be closed, yes.

[serene nebula]

[spring elk]

💪

[delicate spire]

Is this the recommended core version to play PlayStation games on the mister?

[serene nebula]

No. The recommended core is whatever the update script pulls.

If you want to test things and deal with any potential complications an unstable core has then you can grab that one.

[delicate spire]

I see! Thanks 🙏

[tardy oxide]

my PSX core is being weird. I can only load one game (only tested with CHD roms) at a time. and if i switch games it does nothing. I have to re-launch the core every time I load a new game

not sure how long this has been an issue as I haven't really touched the PSX core in a long time prior to recently

[sinful bloom]

Are all .chd's inside /games/PSX?

No subfolders?

The current behavior is that the core counts a subfolder as a one game, and inside it can have one or multiple discs

It seems it switches discs without launching a new game because it thinks you just loaded a different disc from the same game

[tardy oxide]

yes, they are all straight in /games/PSX.

when I try to load a new game the mister menu does say "Region US" on the top left corner but doesn't actaully change anything.

[desert otter]

And the reason why was just explained to you 🙂

[tardy oxide]

yup, gotcha. thanks! 😅 i always wondered how i'd manage multi-disc games i guess that explains it

[desert otter]

Ye. Every game needs to be in its own folder

It also makes it so that every game gets its own virtual memory card

[desert otter]

You don't necessarily have to relaunch the whole core though. If you select a new ISO you can then open up the menu again and at the bottom select the reset option which is the same as hitting the reset switch on a real console

I have a batch script that can put everything into its own folder for you if you want to use it. Multi disc games will require you to go and manually consolidate them into one folder

[tardy oxide]

i'm good, thanks! I don't keep too many of of the CD-based games on my SD Card at a time

[nimble pond]

Little by little, every hidden gem in ps1 is getting translated https://x.com/vervalkon/status/1925523373771137375?t=YfAzNS-73FeUQpsVtY3JIg&s=19

Verneri Kontto 🕊 (@vervalkon)

I am very proud to announce that our English translation patch of Wonder Trek is now done and released on RomHack Plaza.
Thanks to Chapu, PSXCraver and @MiniOmegaKing . What a wonderful project!
See reply for details.

X · May 22, 2025, 12:05 PM

There's never been a better time to be a ps1 enthusiast

Or to have a great FPGA core by the amazing Robert Peip

[hushed sentinel]

why is it legal to call these gems hidden

[serene nebula]

Because MetalJesus didn’t trademark the term

[hushed sentinel]

damn

[somber steppe]

What is next when y'all are done with the hidden gems on psx? Still waiting for a translation for neon genesis 64.

[mortal oracle]

Hidden gems on the Sega 32X

They’re so well hidden nobody has discovered a good game on the system yet

[nimble pond]

Is there anything interesting about that game other than being about evangelion?

[serene nebula]

That would be nice

[nimble pond]

It looked lame based on youtube videos TBH

[somber steppe]

Does there need to be anything more?

[nimble pond]

Yes. There are many other eva games.

You can play the ones Derek pascarella translated

I mean, no hate from me, whatever floats your boat

[somber steppe]

"We have evangelion at home" is all I hear.

[nimble pond]

I think there is a dedicated n64 translation group you could probably ping them on the everdrive forums

https://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=5692.0

There it is

Evangelion was suggested

[somber steppe]

Love how they also use the term hidden gems.

There is a korean translation, so I imagine there has been some of the groundwork done to get this going.

[nimble pond]

Nevermind, the translator hasn't participated in the forums since 2018

No blog, no page. Maybe try your luck at rdhn forums

[timber flint]

I hope we eventually see an English translation of Kowloon's Gate. That game looks so messed up. I want to play it so bad

[serene nebula]

A bunch of those got translated fortunately.

I’d love for the Doraemon games to get a translation.

[nimble pond]

We will for sure if cargodin is working on it https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=39950.0

Also, very exciting, he's doing fox junction and tengai makyo 4

[timber flint]

That is awesome to see. hopefully we see it sometime this year!

[serene nebula]

Oh shit, is that the one that’s takes place in the US?

[nimble pond]

YUP

[silent bridge]

Would you post the link? (I don’t have twitter so I can’t see the replies where the link is)🙏

[serene nebula]

https://romhackplaza.org/translations/wonder-trek-english-translation-playstation/

[bright girder]

I was so happy when I saw this game pop up. We’re running out of high profile games to translate though. A good problem to have. Plus there’s a never ending supply of obscure jank to translate.

[serene nebula]

It would be nice to have that summer vacation game translated

[hallow quartz]

I played the translated 2nd Boku game on PS2 last year and it was an absolute joy, I highly recommend playing that whilst waiting for the first game to be translated.

[hallow quartz]

There's still a TON of interesting PS1 games like Gunparade March, London Seirei Tanteidan or Panekit which I would kill to see translated. There's a massive amount of games that sit between high profile and jank which would be appreciated by the community if they got translated.

[serene nebula]

I bought Natsumon for Switch. I should really play it.

[hallow quartz]

Got that on my Steam wishlist for when I have better hardware. Initially I was disappointed that the painted backgrounds are no longer a thing but it looks like it still retains the charm of the Boku games.

[bright girder]

Cyber Org, Deep freeze, Gadget, Silver case and Fist of the North Star are what’s coming to mind for me. The jp ps1 library is vast though, like the Saturn.

Oh I forgot about Panzer bandit

[sick shadow]

Has anyone tried to play through the first Suikoden on MiSTER? Im having an issue

Teo is unkillable in the duel As soon as his life bar gets lower I start doing 2 or 3 damage, youtube videos dont show this.

[spark ermine]

Do you have cheats on?

[sick shadow]

no

[spark ermine]

Ok had to ask because that's broken things on other games before

[sick shadow]

when I load up the game cheats are on but nothing selected , I turn cheats off, then start the game, load my save sit through the 8 minutes of cut scenes. Get my ass handed to me by Teo and reset

at first I thought I was under leveled, till I found a youtube of a guy at a lower level with the same gear doing more damage and taking less. Then when I finally lucked out to getting Teo almost beaten, and stared doing 3 damage, I knew something was wrong

be happy to pull my save/save state off if someone can help

[serene nebula]

What’s the repro rate on the issue?

[sick shadow]

100%

[serene nebula]

Oh I mean how many times have you tried it

[sick shadow]

for the last 5 hours

about 200 times?

[serene nebula]

Oh wow

I would’ve given up after two times lol

[sick shadow]

at first I thought i was under leveled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd2OoFZHCNc

Im a higher level than the guy in this video with the same gear

damages are all wrong on my game, tried 1.0 and 1.1

[chilly kraken]

can you make a save state right when you're about to beat them?

[sick shadow]

I have a save at the start of the fight

[chilly kraken]

yeah, but I'm not good at that game, so a save state right at the end of the fight would help me try to reproduce it

[sick shadow]

well there is no "good" its rock paper scissor

this close enough?

[chilly kraken]

if you can get us a save state where he is one rock from being killed, we could get a couple of folks to try and reproduce

[sick shadow]

I dont have the patience to do this anymore tho....

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198843-suikoden/faqs/80674/part-8-an-inevitable-encounter

thats the guide on what to pick, its zero skill

he shouldnt be taking zero damage when you attack and he defends

where are the saves at on the mister?

[chilly kraken]

/media/fat/savestates/PSX

saves are in /media/fat/saves/PSX

[sick shadow]

that should have beaten him with like 50 damage but it does 3

after that Teo attacks and kills you no matter what you do

this is near the start of the fight .

should mention your life bar is on the right not the left

heres the MC

[chilly kraken]

the only save state that I can get to load is the first one

the 2nd one you posted just reboots the core

and the save says "no data found"

[sick shadow]

I just used them all with no problem wtf

loaded, then re-saved the state

[chilly kraken]

got it

[chilly kraken]

I can’t beat them either but I also don’t know how the game is supposed to work

[sick shadow]

youtube video should give you roughly the expected values

as the CPU has less health he takes less and less damage, thats not how the game is supposed to work

[chilly kraken]

yeah, we would need someone to take your save and try it against real hardware

[tropic stratus]

is this a mandatory fight? Asking, because i know that this game was completed already on the core.

if a savestate works for you but not for others, it highly suggests it's not the same CD image used or some different setting(stability relevent setting, not something like resolution)

[mortal oracle]

In the MiSTer’s realm of cores so grand,
White names struggle to understand.
“Why won’t this load? It’s all astray!”
Pink and purple: “Did you update_all today?”

I don’t know the game, but it’s pretty popular so I’d be surprised if multiple people hadn’t already beaten it successfully. Maybe some of the hardcore RPGers can help? @somber steppe?

[empty yacht]

Worked back when we didn't even have sound yet.

[sick shadow]

mandatory for it to happen, you dont have to win but if you lose you cant get the best ending

[sick shadow]

vanilla settings other than the controller set to digitial

[empty yacht]

It being suikoden I would not be surprised if it was just a bug in damage calculation

Would be interesting to use the normal save in an emulator (though more cumbersome real hardware).

[sick shadow]

oh and scanlines

[empty yacht]

I vaguely remember having seen something like that decades back on a s2 playthrough on real hardware

[mortal oracle]

That’s a good idea- try the save on a e.g. duckstation and see how that fares. Still not original hardware, but another data point

[scenic ledge]

I am too stupid. Where is the new zakk filter hidden?

The deinterlacing one?

[spark ermine]

If you search zakks name and look under files posted by him you'll find it. That's the easiest way i search for things

[scenic ledge]

Isn't it installed by default?

[spark ermine]

No idea, wouldn't be surprised if it's not