Sony PlayStation

[manic citrus]

you change the cue from PREGAP to INDEX 00 and now the qsound jingle plays fully

[tropic stratus]

how much trouble all the "non-standard" images have caused over time...

[serene nebula]

Noice

@neon oar are you using a single bin image

[manic citrus]

yeah, they are. that's the only way that thing was distributed

[serene nebula]

Oh!

[stable perch]

Yeah, I saw the same nonsense - PREGAP, when used with file-per-track sets, has always meant that it's blnk data to be added before the file, used as a lead-in (since TOC points to index 01).

I recently saw PREGAP used in one of those single-track images, and found that it was referring to data within the image. Essentially "index 00", which can be part of the image (for example, when two audio tracks don't have silence in-between).

And all this makes sense when you're talking about, say, track 05

But it get really confusing when talking about track 01 - is the pregap part of the image file in that instance (for single-file images) ?

Seems like a poorly-considered "standard"

In any case, BACK IN THE DAY(tm)... "PREGAP" meant a blank space. If you wanted to put actual data in that spot, it would instead be required to be INDEX 00. But of course, somebody must have come along and not understood that, and messed up the entire standard

I put my money on MAME

[serene nebula]

Damn you mame nerds

[mortal oracle]

The wealth of knowledge in this discord is mind boggling sometimes

[serene nebula]

Or frightening! Imagine if Zakk wanted to be evil instead of a nerd

We must keep him occupied with MiSTer at all times lest he becomes bored and decides to take over the world

[desert otter]

I just imagine a Dr. Doofenshmirtz scenario.
Coming up with a bunch of random -inator's and being rivals with a random type of animal

[manic citrus]

mame gets it right too, the comment there is just weird. the resulting chd from that image exhibits the same issue with cutting off the start of track 2. why it doesn't exhibit the slowdown I have no idea.

[tropic stratus]

is it really slowdown from the core itself or maybe wait due to waiting for CD data at some origin that doesn't exist?

could test this with turning of "pause when HPS slow"

if it's the core itself, i would assume the cd info data is different betwen chd and cue/bin

[dawn wind]

why data so hard

[desert otter]

Cuz he's made of 24.6 kilograms of tripolymer composites, 11.8 kilograms of molybdenum-cobalt alloys and 1.3 kilograms of bioplast sheeting.

[dawn wind]

And zero grams of dolomite so once again bender wins

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-dance-gif-4195777226086506084

[neon oar]

wasn't putting data in pregap a common practice in the 90s with music CDs? which lets you put a hidden bonus track if you rewind past track 1

music CDs released commercially by big corporations, to be clear, not just homemade burned CDs

[stable perch]

That's index 00 though. Pregap is technically a null area in the undefined space between a data track and an audio track, or in the 2 seconds lead-in area at the start of disc. Again, not a data space.

pregap is not the correct term to be used in-between tracks of the same type

[serene nebula]

so the moral of the story is to get a good game dump?

[somber steppe]

Get good dumps, take good dumps. The circle of life.

[final salmon]

Always a treat to check chat in the morning 😄

[tawny palm]

I've always been a fan of the massive dumps.

[civic pumice]

I've been playing the game for a while and kept having weird behavior on good runs so it's nice to feel validated

[lime grove]

Wow I found one game that actually does not save automatically before a disk swap prompt

Or give you a chance to save at all

[wild sinew]

On what system?

[lime grove]

PS1

I was playing a Refrain Love 2 which is a dating sim only released in Japan

game wont let you save before the disk swap prompt

very rare and won't affect most people here but i thought it was mildly interesting

thought that was common sense

[deft sphinx]

Is that a core specific issue or also on real hardware?

[scenic reef]

that's on real hardware i think

there are a couple games like that

where if you don't have disc swap in your emulator you could lose a lot of time

[burnt rock]

I've been playing point blank recently but it keeps dropping sync on my HDTV between mini hames (144 hz VRR capable display) is there a setting that can prevent this or is it a side effect

[abstract drift]

try vsync_adjust=1 in your ini

you can put it under [psx] to make it core specific

[runic edge]

There is an option in there somewhere to do with 480i menus displaying properly on hdtvs I think

Sync 480i for hdmi

[meager parrot]

anyone know if any PAL-only PS1 light gun games have NTSC patches?

[serene nebula]

No but you saw that Rescue Shot has an NTSC patch?

[meager parrot]

Exactly what i'm searching for, thanks! Thats a PAL version that got a NTSC selection patch. Hoping to find other PAL-only game patches also.

the ghostbusters game looks pretty lame, but ghoul panic might be cool

[serene nebula]

Yeah it’s like point blank

I think the Moorhuhn games are the only PAL exclusive light gun games

[meager parrot]

just saw there are guncon patches for the justifier games also. Gonna try english patching policenauts and throwing the guncon patch on also. that would be neat if it works well

[serene nebula]

@meager parrot found software called “PAL4U2000” that patches PAL to NTSC and vice versa

https://www.reddit.com/r/psx/comments/ae1u3a/whats_the_best_method_to_patchconvert_pal_games/

[storm barn]

This should be fixed.

[serene nebula]

What should be fixed?

[manic citrus]

people playing PAL games

[final salmon]

How could you 😭
PAL is my friend, my eyes couldn't possibly comprehend >49.7Hz precisely

[storm barn]

This

[serene nebula]

Oh, that’s not something that needs fixing. I think PAL games running at their original speed is great. But it’s nice there’s external utilities that lets us adjust it to our liking.

There is also a core option to increase PAL to NTSC speeds called “PAL 60Hz Hack” but that may also adjust game time so games/music are a little faster.

That option is under the Miscellaneous menu if you’re not familiar with it.

[tropic stratus]

yes, it really runs the games 20% faster

however, only video timing. So cd audio, SPU and cpu speed is still original, so depending on the game the experience might be good

[feral swift]

Why not just run PAL games with the turbo core? Would that not help? In my opinion PAL games have a specific vibe to them because of some games running at slower speeds. The Resident Evil games are a good example, which feel totally different compared to their NTSC versions.

[serene nebula]

games with uncapped framerates can run better but a lot of games have fixed framerates or they max out at a fixed Hz like 50.

[weak widget]

Some games were optimized for pal regions, like crash bandicoot and wipeout. The latter is very fast on psx with pal

[serene nebula]

But V2000 is unplayable if you don’t use the Turbo core lol.

[weak widget]

https://consolemods.org/wiki/PS1:PAL_Optimized_Titles

[serene nebula]

PAL exclusive and it’s pretty damn cool but man, the fps is no joking low teens most of the time and even goes into the upper single digits when there’s action onscreen.

I can only speak for myself but you do get used to it. Especially if it’s a game that runs at 50hz, the difference isn’t that big from 60.

[weak widget]

I agree, as a kid I never knew about the slowdown. However, I have to say I felt screwed when I found out. Once I did I preferred playing ntsc over pal, except for the optimized games.
Also I really like hacks that convert pal only games to ntsc in a proper way like Terranigma, a pal rpg +and Japan) exclusive
That said, in Europe we had the luck of rgb image quality.

[empty yacht]

nono, slower games = more time required to finish = less money spend

[somber steppe]

I lived through pal. It was hell. The face of tidus still haunts me. So many crappy conversions. Steer clear.

If you think pal is nostalgic you must also think getting kicked in the balls by your schoolmates is nostalgic.

[serene nebula]

don’t kink shame

[empty yacht]

pal prepared me for a world where everyone is obese

also PAL green hill zone > ntsc green hill zone

[viral inlet]

Armored Core is a good series

[somber steppe]

I really liked the first one, but project phantasma wasn't great and master of the arena was good, just not as good as the first one.

[shut escarp]

all of them except Area51 sadly

[twin walrus]

Victory Zone - Vamper Heart 2. I love this game. It has music and announcements going on in the background.

[meager parrot]

Can't get 2-player controls to work in the PSX core.
Player 1: SNAC
Player 2: Digital (USB Hori Fighting Commander)

Just no response from player 2 controls no matter what I try. Is this a known issue?

the snac port is a normal digital PS1 controller SCPH 1080

[runic edge]

I always just assumed that you couldn't mix and match when snac was involved.

[meager parrot]

figured you could since it works on other cores that way

[runic edge]

It does!!?!?

[meager parrot]

yep

[runic edge]

I didn't realise

[abstract drift]

think your having the same problem n64 used to have

you can do it the other way round, p1 usb, p2 snac

but when you do it your way round essentially both players are mapped to p1 and then snac overrides the usb

if you've got another pad to "fill in" the p1 slot you can do that too

[runic edge]

Ah so you have p1 snac and p1 USB, and the next USB controller is p2?

[abstract drift]

yeah

n64 core fixed this super elegantly, we just need a bored developer to port that over to psx sometime 😄

[runic edge]

It's cool to know

[abstract drift]

that wasn't aimed at you Rob i know your busy !

[tropic stratus]

should be much easier on psx, at least without multitap

ok good, i will not do it 😛

[abstract drift]

much more excited to see your gba game

[tropic stratus]

same for me 🙂

[abstract drift]

are you doing stuff like, that only you could do since you understand the hardware top to bottom?

are we going to see some like "shouldn't be possible on gba" graphics?

[meager parrot]

i'll give it a try, thanks!

cool that this is already sorted on the N64 core also

[abstract drift]

i had this exact issue trying to do like, snac guncon+usb pedal

[runic edge]

This issue also exists kinda when using an ipac for p1 and p2 and then trying to add a third player.

But I think I might be the only one left using an ipac

Also nothing warms the cockles of my heart more than new games being released on old systems.

[shut escarp]

Can second what freddo is saying, and also dealt with it trying to get my pedal going for time crisis lol

[serene nebula]

That’s what happened to me! What was the solution? P1 needs to be digital and P2 needs to be SNAC?

[shut escarp]

Activate a usb controller as P1, activate usb pedal as P2, set P1 to SNAC

[serene nebula]

Ok that sounds like something I didn’t do

I’m going to rebuy that usb pedal again!

[meager parrot]

does this work for time crisis? that would be rad if so. I have a usb pedal also

and a usb adapter for my racing wheel pedals that would be interesting if it worked also lol

[abstract drift]

yeah

you probably want a digital pedal though no a racing wheel one

[serene nebula]

Yeah @shut escarp gave me a great recommendation. There’s these usb foot pedals that are meant to be mapped to like some basic action in windows.

They respond as a keyboard button

They’re like $15 USD

[meager parrot]

ive used those for push to talk on pc while playing FPS games for a long while, got a couple ready to go.

can be handy for using as an OSD button too, for OEM controllers without enough buttons.

[meager parrot]

Well hellooooo mr. fancy pedal 😅

[shut escarp]

Ka-Chunk

[twin walrus]

One game I keep forgetting I like a lot is Starfighter Sanvein. Used to have a copy of it back then, but the box art was so generic, I kept thinking it was a lame game. Rediscovered it again on the MiSTer when the PSX Core got CHD support. Just remembered it existed today again. 😒 Severely underrated game.

[sand minnow]

Thankfully, someone remembered it since there's a character (and stage) based on it in Cotton Rock 'n Roll/Fantasy

[twin walrus]

SOMEONE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT LOL

I had no idea Cotton and Sanvein were associated.

[surreal raft]

Question for someone who has a ff7 save this far into the game

I want to know how the dithering on psx core looks compared to an actual ps1 and ps2

[desert otter]

Or even a PS3

[lost coyote]

Note that the dithering pattern for Final Fantasy VII, at least in certain scenes or areas are different in PS1 vs PS2.

For example in battles in green fields in the world map, the ps1 would show diamond dithering patterns

On the same battle field, the ps2 would instead show vertical dithering patterns. This also happens in some older psx emulators.

The PSX core follows how the PS1 displays it.

Of course, when I say the PS1, i meant the version of the ps1 with the more common updated GPU. I don't know how FF7 looks in the early PS1's with the older gpu

[abstract drift]

don't think the dithering changes between ps1 revisions, it's only the ps2 thats different

and yeah ofc the core is authentic to the psx dithering

[final salmon]

Thats really unexpected!
I also think there is a difference in rumble between PS2 and PS1 (using the MiSTer core). Would be good if anyone every tested to confirm the core is correct to PSX. Bizzare there is a difference at all, but I guess it's possible like the dithering

[lost coyote]

It's because PS2 merely emulates the GPU of the PS1

[mortal oracle]

Core > PS2 😎

[desert otter]

I was pinged

[mortal oracle]

Always wanted to use the emoji

[spring elk]

Pingwen...

[visual depot]

Can you link this pedal?! 😮

[shut escarp]

It's an actual arcade pedal I put a spare encoder into mapped to "X"

i bought a TC2 boardset from a buddy that runs an arcade, mainly for the two pedals

[weary patio]

Does this one work with the PSX core?

[full nimbus]

yes

Both Negcon and Jogcon work via Snac

[weary patio]

Nice!

Thanks

[feral swift]

Is it possible to play back audio-cd images through the psx core, as if playing back an audio cd through the original console? If so, what's the best way to go about doing this?

[shut escarp]

I had an absolute blast playing through Ridge Racer 4 with mine, highly recommend

[serene nebula]

Jogcons are awesome

[weary patio]

Will do! Have to find mij drive with PSX back-ups 😊

[abstract drift]

yep, though you'll need to force it into negcon mode for most games that are not RRT4

(which is the same as on a real psx)

[fluid condor]

You can load cue of audio cd dump.

[feral swift]

@fluid condor awesome, thanks 😉

[abstract drift]

easiest way to make one is rip a real cd you've got

producing them from mp3's is a bit involved, though i think someone found a tool

[feral swift]

What I need to do is to create an audio cd image that I can use to play back specific audio measurement tones used for audio filter development.

[meager parrot]

you can use it for other games/cores via the Reflex Adapt from misteraddons also. here are some examples:
https://youtu.be/uj9-FWOwvxs?si=rFfdL7Ieo8KNFK1p
https://youtu.be/cBvUfjvNgQg?si=maoLY1b2TKyK57h-
https://youtu.be/2OEcqY_qkQs?si=lzWhVtSGXxuAvuQ5

[silent bridge]

Wouldn’t a regular PSX to USB adapter still work for NeGcon and jogcon ?

[meager parrot]

for basic dpad & buttons, but the wheel wouldnt work

[silent bridge]

So SNAC/X or reflex, any would give wheel support?

[meager parrot]

Only SNAC for the standard wheel control on PS1 with ffb and the negcon mode for other games. Reflex has modes that turn it into a analog wheel, spinner, paddle or "fake spinner" which allows digital button presses to be assigned to the wheel, which is what I used in the video above.

[abstract drift]

some actually work reasonably well for the negcon when used with a PC but due to the nature of misters analog axis mapping you can't quite map it the way you'd want

i tested like, 8 different kinds when the psx core was new 😄

[silent bridge]

Oh, well I have 4 PSX to USB adapters but I’m far from my controllers. I could always try them out and worst case just gotta get a snack adapter.

[abstract drift]

yeah or reflex can handle it too, its like, doing weird custom mapping you'd never want on pc but it works on mister

though personally i think snac is best for these stranger peripherals

snax specifically

[zinc rose]

How do I switch to PLAYER 2 on PSX core?

Stuck at Psycho Mantis part on Metal Gear Solid

[final salmon]

You may need to just add a second controller for MiSTer to allow seeing as Port 2.

[abstract drift]

it is possible to defeat him without doing that its just a bit harder

[zinc rose]

Done. I did without P2

I swear I am loving Metal Gear Solid. What an immersive game

[abstract drift]

its amazing

[silent bridge]

A six-hour podcast about Tomba? 🤯

[meager parrot]

what do i need to do to get the usb pedal to work in time crisis? any specific binding? cant seem to get it working, and I have a USB controller plugged in along with it to take care of the p1/p2 USB/SNAC issue

nvm i think i got it. had it set to emulate a keyboard button press from using it for push-to-talk in windows, and switched it to a gamepad button input in its mapping software. seems to be recognized now 🙂

[random gust]

I've never used a USB pedal before. Do they typically require their own mapping software to be installed?

[abstract drift]

most just appear as keyboards i think, it really depends what pedal you get though

tbh if you dont play time crisis like every single day, just take a pad you don't mind abusing a bit, stick it on the floor under your heel and use it as a "pedal"

thats actually what they meant for you to do back in the day anyway, they made it so every single button on the pad works

[little ledge]

Pogging

[meager parrot]

Just picked up a PS1 multitap. Anyone know if this will work for 2 light guns on SNAC?

[twin walrus]

Some PS1 games in general won't acknowledge the controllers on ports 1-B, C, and D.

[zinc rose]

I am not able to load Disc 2 for METAL GEAR SOLID

How to load it?

I loaded disc 2 and then game be like insert disc 1 and then I go to load game and it shows nothing on memory card even though I saved it

I am not able to go to Disc 2

[meager parrot]

all discs need to be in the same folder

[somber steppe]

Afaik it's best to put every game into it's own folder, multi disc or not, as the virtual memory cards are created depending on these folders. If you put all games just on the psx folder you'll have one shared memory card for all games.

[mortal oracle]

The authentic 90s kid experience

[somber steppe]

Pls talk to my memcard pro about that.

[mortal oracle]

Haha. I had one of those multi-memory card things too 😅

https://retroravengames.com/products/mega-memory-card-playstation-1

That bad boy 😎

[somber steppe]

Yeah I remember those. But you had to manually toggle between several "internal" memory cards, right?

It's insane how small psx memory cards were.

[viral inlet]

lol, I had one of those

[silent bridge]

128kb is mammoth compared to cartridge save data... For one game 😛

[mortal oracle]

Yeah. It was a nightmare 😄

[mortal oracle]

8kb per “slot”, right?

[silent bridge]

8x16=128, sounds right but I can’t recall the exact number of saves per card off the top

[mortal oracle]

And that 8kb would have contained an animated icon for the UI 😅

But they were probably tiny and only 2 frames anyway

[storm barn]

I've had one card that had 3 leds on it, and changed pages using Select+L1 or Select+R1, some games had issues saving to it.

Also I had a Net Perfect Memory card, it had a disc that allowed to change pages, it use compression to store the pages into the card. The utility also allowed to use cheats, explore the disc data, playback XA audio and video files.

[somber steppe]

15 blocks per card

[mortal oracle]

8 kb for metadata?

[somber steppe]

Maybe. I just know it's 1 megabit (not byte!) And 15 usable blocks.

[marsh fern]

Hey folks. I have a virtual memory card that isn't loading.

[desert otter]

Was it created by the core on MiSTer?

[marsh fern]

I think. I've been able to save Hot Shots Golf 2 ok.

Never mind, I think it was because I didn't open the OSD after I saved in-game.

[desert otter]

As long as it's one created by the core it should work. Trying to use virtual cards from elsewhere made by and for emulators usually don't work

[marsh fern]

Testing now. When I opened the OSD after saving in-game, it worked. Rebooting the core to see if it sticks.

[serene nebula]

👀

[viral inlet]

I've passed save files between Duckstation and the MiSTer core, is that something that only works a certain way or a case by case basis?

Did I maybe start the save on MiSTer and then pass it around? 🤔

[meager parrot]

got ghoul panic working on a NTSC CRT with the PAL 60hz hack in the psx core. calibrating the guncon didnt seem to work at first but if i kept spamming shots around the screen it eventually would get some sort of calibration and the aiming dot would show up. a few more attempts and I got a calibration that was pretty close to centered and it worked pretty damn well. surprising that worked as well as it did

[somber steppe]

You can also pass them between memcard pro and mister. Just change the file ending.

[eternal vapor]

Anyone had any luck with the King's Field 1 fan translation on this core? Doesn't seem to detect it as a game when I try to play it, just boots into the regular bios menu

The unpatched japanese game runs fine though, so I guess the patch is messing with it somehow

Problem solved, seems to have been the dump

[glad copper]

Question for everyone interested in answering:

What is your favorite controller to use with the PSX core?

[somber steppe]

8bitdo pro2

[ivory verge]

DualShock 4 or PS classic controller 🙂

[glad copper]

How do they feel compared to the original psx controller?

[ivory verge]

The plastic is different to the touch , but the controller is of good quality

[tawny palm]

I always use my DualShock 4.

[glad copper]

Does anyone have feelings on ds4 vs dualsense?

[tawny palm]

DS4 has a better d-pad. Dualsense supposedly has slightly less input lag when wired compared to DS4 wired.

[desert otter]

I use a Dual Sense because it's ergonomics are so much better than the DS4

I tried using my DS4 once not long ago and it felt so bad in my hands

[somber steppe]

No dualsense lasted for me longer than a year. They all got stick drift. Before you buy another get the sticks replaced for hall effect sticks.

[visual depot]

Honestly I use a ds4 with my physical PS2 always. The dualshock 2 sticks were ripe with issues like getting stuck with age or the rubber topping collecting the oils from your skin and getting all grimy and mukky, and the x button eventually requiring you to mash it hard to push it all the way down to its sensor.

Idk if any of this was due to misuse but in my opinion I felt the dualshock 4 perfected the original dualshock design. I do prefer the DualSense over the DualShock for overall sense... But it's a completely new design, which I think is the reason for the new name.

But for an original feeling PS2/PS1 design without all the qwerks of the older models (don't get me started on the latency or cable choice of the dualshock 3), dualshock 4 for me.

[ivory verge]

I also use DS4 with ps1/ps2 👍

[final salmon]

Dualsense ergonomics don't seem quite right for me, but not owed a playstation since PS2.
Wish Dualshock 4's were still available to purchase, internet seems ripe with knock offs

[silent bridge]

Wired yeah?

[ivory verge]

bt

[silent bridge]

Found new toy 😃

[meager parrot]

DS4 or original ps1 digital or analog controller, depending on the game.

[abstract drift]

(stupid answer) Negcon

[wanton crown]

I do this aswell but missing the pressure sensitives buttons for some games is annoying

[mortal oracle]

DualShock 3 😎

[somber steppe]

Glad nobody answered defender

[serene nebula]

Defender

[mortal oracle]

Microsoft Defender

Don’t wanna catch a virus!

[spring elk]

As long as it doesn't have the control layout of arcade Defender, how bad could it be? 😄

[desert otter]

Windows Defender is pretty good these days. I haven't bothered with third party AV in a long while

[vestal thicket]

I have small hands and feel the opposite. The biggest downside of the dualsense is that it's too big and uncomfortable for long play.

[desert otter]

I just have good browsing practices as well so I'm pretty safe with it. not catching any day zero brand new malware

[tawny palm]

They still have DS4s at my local Best Buy.

Their website shows that they have them right now. Ready to ship.

The dark blue and white models are both in stock.

[chrome kindle]

Matte box around the funky sun on ps2

[serene nebula]

I got a $5 coupon to spend there

[tawny palm]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

[serene nebula]

Sorry I know that’s “cool story, bro” material lol

[tawny palm]

Beat Mark_Eire to the punch and get every last one!

[final salmon]

I should keep looking, maybe there are some in Europe still. You'll never get them all!!!

[visual depot]

YEah I was gonna say @wanton crown The DualShock 3 still have the pressure sensetive buttons. Very few games use them or need them.... I just remember playing Racing games and it was annoying why I'd get opponents catching up to me. Some of it was rubberbanding but it took me a long time to figure out that I had to keep my finger mashed on X or the car wouldn't keep going top speed... and it's hard to pay attention to that while you also need to steer. lol

[wanton crown]

Unfortunately it’s pretty much required for mgs games

[somber steppe]

The retrofighters defender actually has pressure sensitive face buttons.

[final salmon]

Thanks for the heads up, turns out there are indeed DS4s here. Must have looked at a bad time before. £45, might be worth getting one.....

[hard laurel]

Watch out for FAKE DS4's.... they do exist

[visual depot]

just be careful where you source them. A lot of the ones, even at Gamestop, can be returns that were fake. And fakes have gotten EXTREMELY good

It's so hard to notice a difference without having a real one in hand to compare to now

but also... do know that there were two iterations of the DualShock 4. The default and the Pro model. They were different and are most noticeable with their different sticks

[hard laurel]

There were "V1" and "V2" DS4's. V2 DS4's had part of the "Light Bar" on the touch pad and had better stick caps.

[glad copper]

Thanks everyone for all the feedback!! 🙏

[glad copper]

Yeah i noticed on ebay they have a bunch of new ds4s for $30 which looked pretty suspicious.

[final salmon]

V2s around some shops it seems. I guess the pros/cons of not having replaceable batteries, but I'd be curious how it feels compared to Dualsense.

[spring elk]

The DualSense is practically perfection.

Easily the most revolutionary thing to come out of this current console generation.

[hard laurel]

I wouldn't say its perfection but its a good controller.

[spring elk]

In my opinion, compared to everything else on the market, it's the closest to it.
The DualSense Edge's price keeps me from making that claim about that particular variation... even though I do think it's better.

No one else has to think that though. What I think is all that matters to me. 😉

[abstract drift]

the shortstop triggers on the edge make it feel more authentic to the old dualshocks with digital l2/r2

[glad copper]

Does anyone use dualsense edge for mister?

[abstract drift]

yeah sometimes

[crisp ether]

dualsense edge is the best pad out there imo, yeah. wish it wasn't 200 USD

i guess they haven't released it in anything other than white yet either

[mortal oracle]

200 for a regular controller?! Is it made out of solid gold or something?

[spring elk]

It's not a 'regular' controller though. It has some really nice additional features to the standard DualSense.

[buoyant plinth]

"reassuringly expensive at triple the price" being one of them.
"Better analogue sticks that don't start drifting" is not one of them

[hazy otter]

I bought into 'current' gen playstation a few days ago, the price of PS4 systems dropped by half at retail. Girl ringing up the sale asks "would you like another controller?"

At half the price of the console? Fuck no, was my response.

[glad copper]

You got a ps4?

[hazy otter]

yeah. Wanted to be ready for Raiden Nova.

Not really sure it was a wise investment, but $230 AUD new was hard to pass up.

[serene nebula]

PS4 is a great console imo

[glad copper]

Nice. From what I've heard people say, half the new "ps5" games are actually ps4 games

[serene nebula]

It’s the same architecture generally speaking

[somber steppe]

I like the ps4 games that run at 60fps on ps5. Days gone, sekiro and ghost of tsushima come to mind.

[hazy otter]

My experience has been... less than entirely satisfactory. The interface is clunky, it wants to sell sell sell stuff all the time, but the storefront is terrible. Prices are high, the refund policy stinks, and just about everything I could play is also available on PC, usually for less.

Controller feels weirdly cheap, but works well enough. The console keeps turning off when I put it in standby, which I haven't investigated yet.

Bizarre region controls on the storefront, nonsensical terminology ('full game' doesn't mean 'all the stuff') and you gotta install discs before you can play? No manuals with new games? Some stuff you can buy on the PC on their PSN store site, some stuff is only available through the console (resogun DLC is available anywhere, the main game is console only). Huge swathes of clickthrough boilerplate all the time. It's enshittification as a console.

[glad copper]

wow I don't have much ps4 experience but that is not how I feel about the Switch.

[hazy otter]

I thought about getting a Switch but the price is still super high, and honestly I couldn't name one game I want to play badly enough to look into it. But I feel like Nintendo's online skills are weaker than sony's. And their prices are somehow worse. =/

I think maybe modern consoles aren't for me. ^__^

[glad copper]

Well, if nothing else, it sounds like you have a favorable controller (ds4) for the psx core.

[visual depot]

Some people say that power issue is due to a bad or third party power brick https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/712098/Why+is+my+PS4+turning+off+in+sleep+mode

Makes sense as that would have to do with the power chain when entering some sort of power efficiency mode

[hazy otter]

I just assumed it was power saving. Standby for a while, then power off.

Also the PSU is internal, so...

[visual depot]

If a PS4 enters rest mode it should not be turning off after a time to my knowledge.

[hazy otter]

interesting. I'll have to read more about it.

[visual depot]

You can still find them. https://www.amazon.com/ps4-slim-power-supply/s?k=ps4%2Bslim%2Bpower%2Bsupply&tag=ifixitam-20

[hazy otter]

It's 5 days old. I'll just return it. 🙂

[visual depot]

XD doesn't sound like you've particularly enjoyed it anyway.

[hazy otter]

that is very true. I wonder if they'd refund me or try and give me another one. 🤔

[visual depot]

Going to be honest I still wouldn't spend $230 AUD for that imo.

[hazy otter]

yeah I didn't really think it through. Retail therapy followed by buyers remorse.

[mortal oracle]

By “regular” I meant not something more “specialist” like a steering wheel, arcade stick or similar. 200 is still a hell of a lot for a controller in my eyes, but if it’s worth it to others, that’s cool with me 🙂

[visual depot]

I hear ya... Honestly ... If you fancy a PC... Just get a steam deck for a console and load it with emulators 😛

The switch has a lot to offer but.. if you play online games.... Yeah it doesn't have a lot in that. However, the online play has gotten better since prior consoles from Nintendo tbh...

Monster Hunter rise is actually very awesome.

Also splatoon is pretty good about online, however it's... Obviously not for everyone lol

I personally stick to the plethora of single player switch titles I enjoy... Like Xenoblade. :3

[hazy otter]

I don't play online, really. My jam is arcade stuff, hence the anticipation for Raiden.

[mortal oracle]

The switch is hands down my favourite modern console. The quality of Nintendo’s first party games is outstanding

[visual depot]

The nice thing about the switch is really the realization you're not tethered to a TV

Even when you're at home you'll find relaxation in laying on your bed or on a recliner and just going to town on handheld.

[mortal oracle]

Day 1 purchase of the Switch 2 for me, if it has backwards compatibility 😎

[visual depot]

Steam deck offers that same benefit though.

And it emulates switch fairly well xD

[hazy otter]

I have found that gaming doesn't really resonate with me unless it's in a gaming ... station, I guess? Playing games on an arcade cab is 400% more fun than the same game on the computer. Something about the dedicated setup makes my brain happier.

[somber steppe]

Xenoblade as a series is borderline... orgasmic. I'm not planning on picking up Nintendos new console but if and when they show a new xenoblade game I'll probably empty my wallet on the spot.

[hazy otter]

so, no portables for me. <gestures at box full of NGPCs, GBs, PCEGTs, LTs, GBAs...>

I am swiftly going off topic. I will cease. Desist, even.

[visual depot]

I get it 🙂

No judgement on that here haha

I'm excited for the MiSTer handheld Taki is brewing.

[somber steppe]

Yeah I'm really glad now I never picked up an analouge pocket.

[crude hedge]

I've seen a Google Doc of compatability for all N64 games, but is there one for PSX? If so, where can I see all current compatibility Google Docs for all cores/systems?

[spring elk]

The best PS4 is a PS5.

[mortal oracle]

On PSX specifically, it’s safe to assume that the game functions perfectly unless there’s an issue logged on GitHub. There are only a very very very small number of games known to have significant issues.

Generally for MiSTer cores, the above advice also applies. It’s only the N64 where the compatibility is a little less, as it’s really pushing the limits of the DE10 nano. (The Saturn also has a few more issues but that’s because it’s still in active development so isn’t “finished” yet).

Generally - assume perfect unless GitHub suggests otherwise 🙂

[chrome kindle]

If you encounter video/cutscene stuttering, turn off turbo, cd speedups and make sure you're running the game in the appropriate video format (NTSC vs PAL)

[ivory verge]

Compatibility list is useful while the core is in development , to make it easier for people to test and to know which game launches, etc. When the core is finished or its development has been stopped for various reasons everything should be on github. At least I have this approach to it.

[final salmon]

You may also want to put GPU Slowdown On.
Last I checked, the default is off, but on is closer to original hardware I believe based on comments from Robert.
Less well tested though, so milage may vary. Fixes an odd bug though

[chrome kindle]

Aha

Does it slow down rendering noticeably? I don't have an original PSX to compare with

[final salmon]

I don't think it's noticeable in general terms at all. It just fixes minor bugs as far as I'm aware, like the main menu in Driver.
There's a list on GitHub I think

[chrome kindle]

Good to know, thanks

[serene nebula]

That absolutely should be the approach.

[serene nebula]

With MiSTer, assume it’s identical to original hardware until proven otherwise.

[crude hedge]

Thanks, y'all 👍

[desert otter]

What do you mean by not having replaceable batteries?

[final salmon]

Well, Xbox controllers seem to still use regular batteries, so you just swap them out, or swap out a rechargeable bit (bought separately)

[desert otter]

Oh you mean removable

Ok

[final salmon]

My understanding is Playstation batteries can be replaced when they die, but how do you get them?

[desert otter]

Ali express

[final salmon]

I suppose so!

[desert otter]

It's just a little lithium ion battery

I bought new ones for my PS3 controllers not long ago

They even have a higher capacity

[buoyant plinth]

Or at least say they do 🙂

[desert otter]

I tested them and they lasted longer but that could be because they are new and not old as shit

[final salmon]

Should see if they have high capacity WiiU batteries. Those get gobbled up

[desert otter]

Who knows

[buoyant plinth]

My usual technique for choosing replacement batteries on Ali is to get ones that say the same or at least no more than ~10% higher capacity than original models, at slightly above the general price of other listings

[desert otter]

Usually can find someone making a battery that goes into almost anything, especially game related stuff

[buoyant plinth]

Which seems to be working out okay for my stuff so far

Most recently a WiiU gamepad and a PSP

Neither have gone up in flames or down to 5 minutes power 😄

[twin walrus]

is there a fix for this on the PSX2XCPU core?

[ivory verge]

nice game 😛

I haven't encountered anything like that yet

[twin walrus]

I'm thinking it might be OBS or the capture card

it's OBS

I wanted to make sure OBS was capturing 720@60FPS because any higher and it goes down to 30FPS.

I just had to have faith in OBS doing what I need it to do and returned the setting back to it's defaults.

[opal carbon]

It’s honestly nice to hear this, I truly hate my PS4 for exactly all these reasons and feel like a crazy person because the whole world cherishes this console. There were very few exclusives that I cared about and the console was awful to use. Last game I tried to play was the last Gran Tursimo and my experience was:

• turn on console, it complains it lost power and has to do a chkdsk
• console must update, 30min affair on a wired connection with fast internet
• put game into disc drive, game requires a 100+ gig update that takes 4 hours to complete.

So my total time from “put disc in machine” to playing the game was 5 hours. My Xbox One tended to just let play games when I wanted to, which I appreciated.

[desert otter]

is that High Stakes?

[twin walrus]

Yeah, apparently it's a good game. I couldn't get into it though.

[abstract drift]

a lot of this is fixed with ps5 - it updates whle its asleep and even if you do have to wait on one they're incredibly fast now

[opal carbon]

Yeah I suspect the PS5 would be a lot better but I went Xbox Series X this generation and so far have no regrets. This generation hasn’t been incredible IMO and most of my time is spent on retrogames so the few exclusives I miss (FF7: Rebirth) aren’t a big deal.

Plus I like that the controller has AA batteries. All controllers should have AA batteries.

Also the PS5 is very hard to look at. Such an ugly console.

[desert otter]

the elite controllers for Xbox are rechargable I think

PS5 can be used as a headphone stand for my headset though

[opal carbon]

The regular controllers are fine for me. The elite controllers are like $150 yeah? The only controller I’ve met that’s worth $150 to me is the Steel Battalion controller

[willow sundial]

I just wish the ps5 could sit flat without a stupid little stand lol

I bump it just a little and the piece of plastic comes loose

[desert otter]

?

You have a digital one don't you

[willow sundial]

nope

[desert otter]

That's not a thing with mine

[willow sundial]

this guy is so lame

[desert otter]

Um, idk what that thing even is

I can turn mine sideways and I don't have that

Is that a slim?

[willow sundial]

no this is the original

you use it standing up too

very bad design

[desert otter]

I never used the stand on it when turning it sideways

[willow sundial]

you might have the slim. I think it has little prongs

[desert otter]

That's probably your problem

[willow sundial]

slim has these little legs that come out

still ugly but more sturdy

[restive delta]

Can the core do any sort of video playback?

[desert otter]

assuming it's an FMV that's on a PS1 game that gets loaded by the game then yes

[restive delta]

Yeah I'm just reading into it - looks like .str is the standard ps1 video format

this is interesting https://www.psxdev.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=277

anyways, probably over my skill level but I basically want to make a video playable on the core, looks like it could be possible

[desert otter]

if you are just trying to use your MiSTer for media playback like an HTPC or other media device try using Groovy MiSTer instead

[restive delta]

That's an option for sure thanks

[desert otter]

I assume you are connected to a CRT as well right? @restive delta

cuz otherwise there's no point in using Groovy

[restive delta]

yeah

[desert otter]

it's only able to output 480i at most so no 480p in case you were also trying to do higher resolutions/progressive on a PC or HD CRT

works best with ethernet but WiFi is doable

[restive delta]

so its like a whole new Mister fork or whatever?

or is it a core

[desert otter]

no (to the fork thing), it basically allows you to stream a video feed from your PC over network to the MiSTer for the MiSTer to display on your TV

it utilizes the underlying tech from Groovy MAME but attempts to apply it to more than just being used with MAME

[restive delta]

i see

[desert otter]

so it works with Retro Arch and a lot of cores on there (sadly I think Dreamcast is still a no-go though). I think it now works with desktop in general or at least VLC or something like that which is how you can then watch videos with it

I haven't dabbled with it yet myself.

but I intend to at some point

[restive delta]

Might be overkill, I'm just trying to display a video I made on my crt so that it looks & feels like a ps1 cutscene

I think I could just mimic the ps1's video limitations and run it through to my crt in some way

but anyways thanks again

[lunar sinew]

Hello guys
Can fpga behave like a ps1 with net yaroze?

[serene nebula]

In theory yes but the core does not have a serial port connection

[shut escarp]

But you can play all the net yaroze games

[rapid garden]

i've heard that emulating rhythm games like Parappa and Vib Ribbon are basically unplayable. they better on mister?

[chrome kindle]

They should be better if you have a good input and output device hookup

I.e. low latency input and a CRT

[rapid garden]

hmmm... no CRT but i got low latency controllers

[oblique frost]

they play fine with low latency controllers on a low latency display, the same as running a real psx through a scaler, to your hdtv

I'll warn you though, Parappa will feel wrong because the timing on it is wack from the factory. That one always trips people up who haven't played it since it was new

[chrome kindle]

Parappa was the first of its kind

Perhaps the only

[serene nebula]

Unplayable on anything but original hardware or a MiSTer imo.

CRT best of course but a low latency HDTV will still work.

[serene nebula]

Check out Jung Rhythm on the Saturn if you want great value parappa lol

[somber steppe]

Maybe I'm inept but I didn't get koudelka (my waifu) to run correctly on pstv or any emulator I tried. Only device other than a real psx that ever ran it correctly is mister.

[desert otter]

Doesn't have to be an HDTV though. It could be a computer monitor as well with HDMI input. Especially if it's one used for gaming, it guaranteed has no extra processing and a low response time. Much lower than a TV

[serene nebula]

Woah that’s weird. I never tried playing that game on a PSTV or software emulator. Ask me why.

[somber steppe]

Because you're a mister alpha male and not a pstv plep of course. 😎

[serene nebula]

No…

IT’S BECAUSE THAT GAME SU

oh wait no it’s COOL

@somber steppe Has great taste

[somber steppe]

Don't talk smack about the best girl that never lived.

The cutscenes were performed and mocapped by a real theater group in the us.

That's why the acting is so amazing.

[serene nebula]

Oh, makes sense! The CG animated very well

[somber steppe]

Before I die I want to break into an abandoned monastery in wales just to see if there is a cool goth chick waiting for me.

[chrome kindle]

We vikings already raided the monasteries, sorry

[opal carbon]

How bad is the combat in Kodelka? I’m very very interested in that game

[desert otter]

If you're interested just play it then and find out

[opal carbon]

My backlog is insane and my time is limited so I triage based on semi-random internet opinions 😎 also I just like talking about games and hearing perspectives

[chrome kindle]

I can give you my opinion: I've never heard of it

[tawny palm]

I really need to play Kodelka. It's the first game in the Shadow Hearts series, and I absolutely love those games.

[abstract drift]

its fine, a bit slow paced maybe

if you use the turbo features on the core it speed up a lot

i think they tied fps and gamespeed together

also on the core iirc there's cheats to just disable random encounters, which is reasonable if you just want to explore

overusing it will leave you underlevelled so its not that abusable

[opal carbon]

Sounds like my kind of game. Gonna bump it way up the list!

[somber steppe]

With that kind of amazing combat music it can't be too slow.

[bright girder]

At least it’s better than Great Value Ghostbusters

[mortal oracle]

@serene nebula You gotta believe!

(…the Virtual Boy core is coming one day)

[hallow gorge]

I want apple //gs over virtual boy

[mystic loom]

IIgs would definitely be awesome, too - I've got a Woz Signature Edition, and it's such a great machine.

[hallow gorge]

MOST BEAUTIFUL MACHINE MATE

VERY.....VERY......VERY BEAUTIFUL

machine

I would love to use the apple //gs system 6.0.x for work to be honest hahah

--- closes his eyes and moans --

[forest spoke]

So I am a little confused to the fastforward function in the core.

I am playing ffix right now and wanted to speed things up. Using the turbo function in the 2x core absolutely works.
But binding the "fastforward" to a controller button seems to do nothing, in neither the stable core or the 2x core.
I thought it would be a on/off toggle or a fastforward button + up/down or something like that, but that does not seem to work either. Didn't see anything about it in the readme either.

How does the fast forward function operate in the psx core?

What I am trying to convey here is, how to I use the controller mapped fast forward?, because it would be easier than opening the menu every now and then to toggle the turbo function on and off.

[abstract drift]

i think you just hold down the button don't you?

[forest spoke]

Yeah that seemd like the most obvious way to use the function, at least so I thought, but nothing happens for me.

However it might also be FFIX in this case that respons differently to the function.

When using the turbo function for instance, I notices that low and medium in the 2x core actually does not impact the games speed in any way, but when high is active, the fps in pre rendedered areas jumps from 30 to 40, world map from 20 to 30, and battles from 15 to 20. But they remain the same in medium or low.

Now I have no knowledge if the fast forward and turbo functions is using the same technique or if it's totally different, but this draws me to the conclusion that the fast forward maybe does not goes above the needed threshold for the game to speed up?.

I should not that I have not used the fast forward on any other game, or any other core that has a fast forward implementation. So I have nothing to compare.

I had not even noticed the turbo settings until today, when I was doing a annoying mining minigame in ffix, that I wished I could speed up, and was trying to get the fast forward to work.

But I will definitely now play around with the turbo setting in other games.

[desert otter]

from my understanding the Turbo function should be overclocking the CPU.
At the very least, setting it to High on the 2x core is what enables 2x CPU speed

the faster CPU speed in some cases causes the game to speed up because the fps tends to go up as well and they are tied together, in other cases you get more frames but the game is still operating at the same speed

[serene nebula]

Yeah, just depends on whether the game clock is tied to framerate or not.

[forest spoke]

Yeah, I have to test the fast forward and see of it works in other games than ffix

[serene nebula]

Anything recent posted that needs a pin?

[tropic stratus]

fast forward works in FF9, but fast forward has limits on the psx core: it only works with vsync adjust 0 and via digital out, because it increases the vsync rate to 96hz and your TV would not tolerate that, so it will auto disable

with vsync adjust 0, the output rate will always be 60hz, so it can be used

[desert otter]

otherwise if you hook it up to a high refresh rate monitor it should then able able to vsync just fine at 96hz right?

[tropic stratus]

maybe, but the core will not allow it

it can't see what monitor you are using, so for convenience (and my sanity) it's blocked

[forest spoke]

Then that is probably the reason, as I played with vsync=2

Thank you for your explanation!

I changed vsync to 0, and indeed the fast forward button on my controller is working with ffix!

[shut escarp]

good to know, i had briefly putzed with that button ages ago when the core came out (on a CRT), and it didn't work for me and I just went on to other stuff.

[mortal oracle]

UEP Systems!

[mortal oracle]

I hope you all heard that as you read it 😅

[serene nebula]

Yeah damnit I did lol

[feral swift]

Is this a known issue, I mean the green tint: https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/comments/1eh2d0e/greetings_i_recently_noticed_a_problem_with_the/

[forest trench]

cooooool BOARders!

[tropic stratus]

yes, the mdec is not 100% correct, causing decompressed images and video to be very slightly off. Typically it happens on color bits that are not visible in the end, but sometimes these errors accumulate to some strange effects. RE is known for that and some other game.

at the time the core was written, it was the best knowledge available. In the meantime, that knowledge has evolved

unfortunatly the MDEC module is highly optimized to even fit in the core with all the other parts, which makes it very hard to adjust now or even compare against e.g. duckstation which has it fixed

[desert otter]

Close enough is good enough for me

[tropic stratus]

i mean, it's not impossible. There are exports for the generated data and this could be compared to e.g. duckstation. Still i would estimate it to about 2 weeks of full time work and i currently don't have that time

(of course it would be better to first write a test for real hardware to see if duckstation is even 100% correct now. but then it easily sums up to 4-6 weeks)

here is an existing testrom for the mdec and you can see the differences in the right upper edge

unfortunatly the newest duckstation hangs at black screen when running the test, so i cannot see if it would match now

if anyone wants to try in other emulators, the test can be found here:

https://github.com/JaCzekanski/ps1-tests

(mdec 15bit dma)

[elfin rapids]

Sorry if this question is asked before, im new in this channel, will the PS1 core ever support PBP (mainly for multi disc games) ?

[serene nebula]

No, sorry about that. But it supports CHD compression which is better and is a great alternative. As for multidisc, all you need to do is place all discs in the same folder..

[elfin rapids]

Yes, I;m aware of CHD and multi discs in a single folder, was just wondering if it's ever gonna be possible, but thanks for you answer!

[visual depot]

PBP was a format made specifically for PSP, and actually loses data when compressing. It is not a lossless compression and not recommended for normal play.

Leave that to PSP, and use CHD for anything else (or BIN/CUE if you have the space tbh)

I doubt anyone wants PBP support for MiSTer

May not even be possible since I'm not sure the core could actually translate the data from that format the same way

That would probably require a MiSTer main update, and nobody would want to do that for a lossy format

[serene nebula]

@ruby nymph here's a list of the PAL games I have for my PS1:

• Anna Kournikova's Smash Court Tennis
• Attack of the Saucerman
• Bishi Bashi Special
• Blaze & Blade - Eternal Quest
• Chaos Break
• Crisis Beat
• Discworld Noir
• Diver's Dream
• Firebugs
• Firo & Klawd
• Gungage
• Hellnight
• Jeff Wayne's The War of the Worlds
• Jinx
• Klonoa Beach Volleyball
• Little Big Adventure
• Mega Man - Battle & Chase
• OverBlood 2
• Pet in TV
• Psychic Force 2
• Puchi Carat
• Radikal Bikers
• Rapid Reload
• Shaolin
• Space Debris
• Tank Racer
• TechnoMage - Return of Eternity
• Terracon
• Toshinden 4
• V2000

Not all of them are exclusive to the PAL region, some also came out in Japan but I included them because they have English language options.

[shut escarp]

Somehow I missed there’s a PS1 Radikal bikers port

[mortal oracle]

I have that game

[solid seal]

Rapid Reload = Gunner's Heaven in JP

[dark mountain]

Little Big Adventure EU ≠ Little Big Adventure JP

I had the chance to discuss some years ago with the person in charge of the conversion of the EU version.
And how the JP was so different.

[mortal oracle]

How does Need For Speed: High Stakes look as good as it does?! 🤯

[desert otter]

Cuz PS1 GPU is very capable in the hands of the right devs

[mortal oracle]

Probably the best console of all time imo

[serene nebula]

Why aren’t we best friends? We should be best friends.

[viral inlet]

but if the PS2 plays PSX games wouldn't that make it the best console of all time?

[viral inlet]

backwards compatibility is beautiful

[oblique frost]

but if PS3 plays PS2 and PSX, would that make it the bester console of all timing?

[viral inlet]

And here comes the PS4, disappointing everyone

[oblique frost]

PS3 was sony flying to close to the sun

wings melted off and we got the PS4 and PS5

[viral inlet]

Forsaken by the gods, we built emulators and pc gaming so that they could never close us out of heaven again.

[lost coyote]

Not if it can't play Tomba 1 or Thousand Arms properly

[desert otter]

This depends on if you consider software emulation a viable way of playing PS2 on PS3. Otherwise this would be limited to launch models with the EE chip in them and doing a Frankenstein mod to swap the CPU and GPU from a slim model into the original fat.

[oblique frost]

yeah just have a launch model

also I don't think we were being particularly serious with that conversation

[desert otter]

I wasn't really reading the whole conversation either lol. Only came in on that message and added to it in a minor way. I have a launch model that needs to be frankensteined if I want to revive it and give it new life but that's expensive so as it stands just having an early model slim (that supports cfw) and a fat PS2 modded separately works well for me and I probably wouldn't want to bother with having the PS3 do it all.

[oblique frost]

does frankenstiening actually do anything? I thought the fix these days was to just redo the caps

[desert otter]

On a PS3?

[oblique frost]

yeah

take out the tokin caps, replace with tantalum

[desert otter]

When it comes to the original fat models Nvidia dropped the ball with the chips and the like balls underneath get dried out and crack which causes issues and instability with things like voltage and stuff. A Frankenstein mod takes the smaller nanometer chips that are more improved in efficiency and design from newer slim models and then swaps it onto the board of the original fat.

The NEC Tokens are chips and it's not necessarily necessary to replace them. But it has been found that they fail every so often on some models, so there is a replacement option that is developed by the community for them.

[oblique frost]

when that fix came out, a lot of people were reporting revivied ps3s from ylods after shoving in tantalum caps

[desert otter]

But the actual major issue is the actual NVidia chip

Ylod isn't what the Frankenstein mod is for though. It's for reviving systems where the Nvidia chip burned itself out

[oblique frost]

because as those caps age, it actually makes those voltage problems really prominent, but with better caps it's not so much an issue

seems like new caps and a delid+repaste can stabilize a ps3 that hasn't died yet

[desert otter]

Anything you do with an og model is just a bandaid and prolongs the inevitable.

[oblique frost]

I mean that's true for kind of any hardware, but it seems there's a lot of success in just swaping the caps out (tokins are just caps, they're not special chips), delidding/repaste for better cooling, and at the very very worst reballing if you let things get too bad

swaping around the RSX seems to be the highest risk mod

[solid seal]

I remember seeing this video that lays all of that out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0UMG3iVYZI
Bad time for consoles. I went through 2 360s before the HDMI model came out. I have a late model fully backwards compatible PS3 I bought around the time MGS4 came out that was still working when I boxed it up and bought a slim to use on a regular basis. Of course now it's easier to just soft mod a slim PS3 and a PS2

[oblique frost]

decent computer and a real dualshock3 can get you pretty far without having to rely on a real ps3 or ps2 tbqh

[solid seal]

yep - PS1, 2 and 3 living on through emulation is awesome (with some FPS perks). It just amuses me how cheap PS3s are now when it seemed like such a luxury at the time. I've gotten 3 used slims for ~$60 a piece in the last couple of years

[mortal oracle]

Is PS3 emulation any good these days?

[oblique frost]

still a bit rough, but things like mgs4 are fully playable, and even can be run at higher res if you got a strong enough computer

[mortal oracle]

That’s pretty cool. I don’t have a good computer, but good to know I might be able to retire my PS3 one day

I assumed the PS3 was just far too fast and complex to get reasonable emulation

[serene nebula]

That’s not true, with all those cutscenes MGS4 was never fully playable

HUA HUA HUA

[grand sage]

a man of culture 😉

Anna Kournikova's Smash Court Tennis

[serene nebula]

Yeah, who knew it was some Namco game lol

The cheat codes available on the core lets you unlock all the wacky Namco characters

[solid seal]

The Fighters MegaMix of tennis games?

[serene nebula]

It’s also four player!

[mortal oracle]

I don’t cheat because I am a gaming Adonis

[serene nebula]

DAMNIT LOL, you used my jokes against me!

[tawny palm]

I'll start plans for the funeral. Your contributions to the fat baby community will be honored! 🫡

[full nimbus]

You dont get to decide that

[serene nebula]

[desert otter]

the PS3 isn't all that fast. What makes it hard to emulate is all the stupid SPUs it has. (Synergistic Processing Units)

[frail storm]

Wasn't Kutaragi removed from head designer after that uber-stupid PS3 architecture?

[spring elk]

I don't know if I would consider the architecture itself stupid. It was very powerful and efficient if one was so inclined to make the effort to fully leverage it... but that was the problem. It was such a radical change, requiring a complete rethinking of how to do even basic tasks.
The decision to use that architecture certainly wasn't the smartest decision. Too little consideration was given to parties outside of Sony's own internal dev teams.

[solid seal]

Plus split RAM and a weak GPU really forced developers to learn how to use the cell. Great for 1st party development, but bad for people doing ports. Overall though bigger games suffer, but smaller stuff like Sega HD arcade games work just fine. Those games would hard to play right now if PS3 emulation/soft modding wasn't around

[mortal oracle]

Sony did a SEGA with the PS3

[opal carbon]

I really should sell my PS3 phat. I originally bought it to make an Uberconsole before I understood the YLOD stuff and now I think I’d rather just have a PS2, PS3 and a MiSTer (for PS1)

[mystic loom]

Odd request here, but is there any chance for a PocketStation core which could interact with files from the PSX core?

[mortal oracle]

It’s certainly been discussed before: #1046940919607345272 message

Hasn’t happened yet, but maybe one day someone will take it on

[mortal oracle]

The eternal struggle: NTSC Gran Turismo for the framerate, or PAL for the better soundtrack?

[abstract drift]

didn't someone romhack that

there's a whole world of romhacks for psx GT games

[mortal oracle]

TIL. I’ll have a search

Thanks!

[serene nebula]

It’s absolutely possible on the MiSTer, but no one is interested in doing it.

[tawny palm]

My old PS3 phat also got the YLoD a long time ago...

[somber steppe]

Yo mum is so phat she got a yellow light!

[hallow gorge]

Hey guys I have a core question

If I want to use real men card to save my saved game for psx on misterfpga …. how do I do that?

[ivory verge]

Snac + mem ports or multitap

[somber steppe]

It's also really easy to convert the save between the core and a memcard pro btw.

[tawny palm]

Found @hollow stratus 's alt!

[hollow stratus]

Your momma so PlayStation I’ve been playing with her since the mid 90s

[serene nebula]

4/10

[tawny palm]

But I was born in the 80s! Are you...are you saying you're not really my father!? Have I been living a lie!?

[chrome kindle]

Wait... did Darth Vader just diss Luke

This recontextualizes everything

[hallow gorge]

Where can I buy the botom one please??!

• bottom

found it. It is in eBay. Thanks.

I have one question to ask. I moved the PSX games into the PSX folder into my external hard drive under the folder PSX. When I go back to Mister, it does not see the files. Where did I go wrong?

[mortal oracle]

Should be games/PSX on your external drive, as far as I know

At least that’s the setup I think I have

[somber steppe]

Doesn't the mister look on the sd card first? If so there shouldn't be a psx folder on the sd card I think.

[mortal oracle]

Oh, yeah. I think I also deleted that

[hallow gorge]

ooh

I need to delete psx folder in the sd card first?

[mortal oracle]

Yep, but you’ll wanna move across your bios files if they’re there

[hallow gorge]

No no..I want to keep bios where it is

I will see if it is going to work

[mortal oracle]

…why?

Pretty sure the bios needs to be in the same place as the roms

Might be wrong, but reasonably sure

[ivory verge]

Yes, bios must be in the games folder

Just copy the entire psx folder from the sd card and problem solved

[serene nebula]

You could keep the bios in the original folder but symlink it to your external drive

[mortal oracle]

That’s a good suggestion

[serene nebula]

I mean I don’t know what he’d be accomplishing by doing that but it’ll work!

[mortal oracle]

We are fortunate to be in the presence of a Linux King!

[tawny palm]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-simba-throw-away-gif-5375444

[worthy zenith]

Am I missing something to get the 8bitdo pro 2 to work in this core? The mister itself recognizes the controller and when checking the inputs they all register correctly but when using the controller the buttons don't do what they are supposed to. Is this a known thing?

[mortal oracle]

Have you tried mapping the buttons in the core itself (and remembering to save)?

[worthy zenith]

@mortal oracle Yes. When I remap the controller in core it goes through all the inputs but as soon as I try to play a game all the buttons register an output but it's not what it's supposed to be. For example if you're in a menu the up button works but pushing the down button also acts as an up button. I remap it and it's still that way and it's only this core. Other cores work as expected.

[hallow gorge]

I don't get it.

I have uploaded all the chd files into the filezilla

and into misterfpga

and every single one of them returns black screen

just black screen...it says the region it is switching too but blac....wait

bios?

did I get rid of the psx boot.rom??

[desert otter]

did you?

I might also recommend WinSCP instead of FileZilla. I love FileZilla but WSCP is better

[hallow gorge]

Ooh! Yes I did get rid of bios - sigh -

[serene nebula]

delete your core controller config, make sure the controller is in x-input mode, redo controller bind in main menu and core

[serene nebula]

also make sure your default transfer type is set to binary in filezilla

[worthy zenith]

Thank you for your help. Got it working after updating the controller firmware, and setting the controller to s-input oddly enough.

[serene nebula]

oh lol, well im happy you have it working, brother

[hallow gorge]

heheh got psx running.

It is amazing how there are HUGE and I mean HUGE...I mean HUGE..like this - distances his hands apart - HUGE like enormous giantic level of HUGE of garbage libraries of PSX games that should be deleted and will get deleted. Same for PSX 2, same for PSX 3, I MEAN FOR SURE PS 4....I am noticing a trend. O_O

[chrome kindle]

Are you saying there aren't 8000 great games on the system?

It's quite fascinating, how prolific the system became

[serene nebula]

PS1 is amazing, @hallow gorge is silly

[hallow gorge]

I mean...let me see

deleted music dance games

deleted racing games

[serene nebula]

Damn

[hallow gorge]

deleted sports games

[serene nebula]

You’re killing me

[hallow gorge]

put those into the shredder

• turns the shredder on - aaah music to my ears

I am keeping adventure games, rpg games, adventure platform games, horror games

-- hugs them -- Mmmm

[chrome kindle]

Unexpected way to curate your collection

[hallow gorge]

heheh

I love how you speak Jensen. You could be a novalist.

I like you! - grin -

[hard laurel]

Oh my.... PS1 had some amazing Racing Games and Sports games. You can shred the Dance games 🙂

[somber steppe]

I dunno if I played the first or second need for speed as a child... but dang that was good. If only there was a core to relive my childhood.

[mortal oracle]

First is awful. Source: me - played it for the first time the other day. Second is much better, so I hope it was that one 😉

[desert otter]

Yeah but unfortunately MiSTer isn't capable of running a proper PC core for something like Windows 95/98se

[hallow gorge]

hehehe

[runic edge]

Sometimes I fill my bathtub up with psx games and slip in and relax aaaaaaaaahh...ouch...aaaaaaaaaahh 😌

[desert otter]

with all them jewel cases? yikes

[mortal oracle]

Maybe they like to blend them to a jewel-y liquid

[vernal tendon]

My discs were always black though

I think the final appearance of the ps1 bath would be more like a tar pit

[ebon tinsel]

I got my first ever silver PS1 disc about 7 years ago. I ordered, from Sony, FFVII. They were still running prints until a few years ago, which is mind blowing. But the discs were silver. It felt...wrong.

[vernal tendon]

Way to hype up a normal looking disc by calling it silver...

[desert otter]

Pretty sure a good amount of later print games like the greatest hits were silver and with basic black/white/silver disc art

[ebon tinsel]

Yeah, I have heard that as well.

[bright girder]

I have no skills and this will never realistically get done, but I suddenly have a real desire to back port Final Fantasy III to the ps1, like the 2d pixel remaster version but make it like the missing Final Fantasy Origins game. Pie in the sky daydreaming at work lol. Just thought I’d share.

[somber steppe]

Pls port (or rather remake I guess) it for the gba as well so I can have all of them on the go.

[bright girder]

Final Fantasy III: Dawn of Souls

[somber steppe]

It's a shame that 3 never got a proper western port till pixel remaster. Though I have to say that nes rpgs are still very playable and ff2 and ff3 have pretty great translations available.

[bright girder]

It did get that 3d remake. I would probably just play the nes one.

It’s just one of those wish fulfillment things because it was glaringly missing from final fantasy origins and it was the only missing ff on ps1 at the time.

Reminds me of castlevania chronicles 2 which is teased in a behind the scenes thing. Which was supposed to bring Rondo to ps1 (maybe ps2?) at that time

One thing I might like even more is if infidelity did his nes to snes ports of 1-3 and added the pixel osts through msu1

[somber steppe]

The 3d one is not very good imo. That's why I said proper. 😅

The nes ff are way more playable than the dw games imo. Simply because they have a world map. The first one has at least. Right now stumbling through dw3 without a clue.

[waxen elk]

A pocket station phone app that interacts with the mister would be neat as well

[mortal oracle]

Soon you’ll be able to play a modern version of DQ3!

[chrome kindle]

How can we figure out the % of games working on this core when there are SO many?

[little frost]

@chrome kindle some dedicated individuals who want to do rigorous testing on all the games that most people don’t really care about

[abstract drift]

all the really famous games are tested extensively, which was probably about 500 games total? total guess

i know someone checked all 7000 games or whatever at least boot

[little frost]

oh wow, I didn’t realize someone went that far

cause I was just about to come back and add that the best we could hope for is someone to test that every single game at least boots 😅

[abstract drift]

they'd drop by every few days with a handful of games found not booting

which were all fixed afaik, so at this point we kind of just assume that most of the library works, excepting the few issues logged on github

i'd assume thats the case for all psx recreations really (emulators etc)

[little frost]

yeah

[runic edge]

How long can we all go on pretending everything is fine when Virtual Pool 3 doesn't sound right?

[vernal tendon]

The missing menu music for pachinko pandas 2 chinese bootleg keeps me up at night, slowly driving me mad

The main issue is that I don't know what to look for, I felt stuff was pretty good in south park rally 64 but it's a shitty game to begin with so you'd have to check with a real console to make sure there's stuff to take note of beyond checking wether it boots or not

My ps1 discs were bad even then, finding some obscure title and then hoping it performs well enough for testing seems like a nightmare mission

[mortal oracle]

I have to admit I was a little bummed out when I read about Virtual Pool 3, but only because I had that game as a kid and was a little keen to replay it. But I can always use a software emulator - and I’d have probably only played it for 5 mins anyway 😅

[chrome kindle]

I want every magazine disc to count

[little frost]

Maybe we’ll be blessed with a PSX Ruleset counterpart who will come along and fix some of these games on an individual basis 🙏

[abstract drift]

we have a lot of people around with xstation in PSX which lets us bypass a lot of disc related issues

[vernal tendon]

Makes sense, I bought a mister to bypass disc related issues, which is good for me but not ideal for bug testing

[abstract drift]

if you post something on here with a nearby save-file then someone will probably check it out eventually

the save file is kinda crucial though

[vernal tendon]

I honestly feel it's a very solid experience, I've played through maybe 10 games, some more obscure, nothing has felt off about it yet

Not 100% sure about the turbo core or turbo options, if there's an "expected" behaviour, often I don't notice anything at all

[desert otter]

a lot of games just don't respond to the typical Turbo options.
Instead you would want to use the 2x core and set turbo to high which makes the CPU clock at 2x speed, and the result ends up being one of three things:

More FPS but same game speed.
More FPS but with a slightly faster feeling game speed but nothing drastic.
More FPS and more game speed to go with it making stuff feel like it's being fast forwarded.

The last one results in a few different things as well:
Everything just moves faster and works fine.
Everything moves faster and it breaks certain game mechanics or physics.
Everything breaks.

for me personally I only ever use it on games where it increases the FPS and either doesn't affect game speed or only slightly affects game speed feeling (but only cuz realistically 50-60fps is going to feel different than 20-25fps) and I turn it off for everything else.

[vernal tendon]

The ones I tried haven't been impacted positively, in the cases where I noticed it at least. You have some titles where you find it improving the game?

I assume 2d titles like symphony of the night are not of interest here

[serene nebula]

It’s 100% until proven otherwise.

[spring elk]

All of them are non-working until proven otherwise. 😏

[abstract drift]

turbo helps a lot in a game called koudelka , especially the battles

[somber steppe]

Why would you want to speed up the battles in koudelka when it has the literally best battle music of all time?

[abstract drift]

i guess i never played it the slower way much but it really seemed frustratingly slow

[vernal tendon]

Ohho I actually quit that because of the insanely paced battles, it seemed interesting otherwise

[abstract drift]

if you turn on the fps counter you'll see they run at like, 20fps normally and 30 with turbo on

i'm pretty sure they intended it to run at 30 because it feels way better

[desert otter]

At least it's not like Legend of Dragoon where the battles run at 15

I think one of the FF games on PS1 runs at 15 as well in battle

funny thing about LoD though. if you try to get more FPS with the turbo core it speeds up the battles a bit and it makes it almost impossible to play cuz of the timing button press hitting thing

needs to be at the original 15 fps

[serene nebula]

I’m not excusing it but if the game is consistent about its framerate you get used to it

or maybe I grew up with N64/PS1 so I’m just used to it

[desert otter]

same

I played on CRT and low FPS growing up.

slow downs were just normal for me. especially with Castlevania

[serene nebula]

Yeah, I think with action games and early shooters when things slowed down that meant the game was throwing everything it had at you, which was pretty cool

[desert otter]

and if you could somehow survive with choppy and laggy gameplay you were king

[somber steppe]

Fun fact: on psx the battles are at 15 but the menu runs at 60. That's important for tifas limit break ect. On the rereleases on ps4 and switch ect. Everything runs at 15. So they're just worse.

[solid seal]

The SNES Gradius 3 SA-1 patch that removes slowdown actually makes the game harder. I just pretend it's bullet time when there's slowdown and a game is tied to the frame rate 😆

[abstract drift]

That was inherited from the first old old old pc version iirc

All modern versions of ff7 are descended from it

[desert otter]

all because they lost the gold master copy

only one they had at that point was the port master copy

I think the PS4 version though is still pretty nice. even if menus run at 15fps it has a fast forward game speed thing you can enable which helps move everything along faster

[somber steppe]

I don't get fast forward features tbh. Makes me rush through the game.

[serene nebula]

The use case was RPGs where there was lot of grinding and not a lot of detailed input required from the player other than mashing A.

[empty yacht]

Sounds like a dead end office job

[chrome kindle]

Some RPGs are yes

[mortal oracle]

PSX version of FFVII is king

[somber steppe]

FFVIII and FFIX as well. Probably also FFT, there is a patch that brings all the new content from the PSP version to the PSX I think.

[spring elk]

The ASCII Grip is what I used most when FFVII was released.

[abstract drift]

those are neat

[tacit fox]

Anyone getting eventual black screen on NFS III with vsync_adjust=2 on HDMI?

[empty yacht]

There are no modern equivalents to that grip, right?

[spring elk]

I don't think so. They released a PS2 version with an analog stick instead of D-pad, but I never got that one. It came in black or translucent blue (may have been other colors, too).

[abstract drift]

the closest modern equivelant might be the ps3/ps4 Move Navigation controller?

not sure if they work on anything but playstations though

[spring elk]

Closest in feel, yeah, but lacking in buttons... no triangle, circle, or R1/R2 buttons on the navigation controller. Would probably be forced to use that and the motion controller in tandem.

[abstract drift]

oh yeah huh

in my memory it had 4 facebuttons but yeah thats the move controller itself

[chrome kindle]

Looks like an industrial controller

[empty yacht]

Shame

[chrome kindle]

No that's cool

[empty yacht]

Yes, but that there isnt something modern available

[chrome kindle]

Perhaps a corner of the market someone could fill?

[empty yacht]

Birdybro could maybe produce some shells...

[chrome kindle]

Someone has to make modern bluetooth versions of these anyway, quite soon

[forest spoke]

My best friend had one of those, I always wanted one as well.
I sometimes use one Joycon today to somewhat do the same thing.

[cosmic tulip]

Didn't limited run games put one of those out

[spring elk]

CD-i can't even... 🤣

[serene nebula]

I bought one of these well after the PS1’s heyday and they’re pretty cool. Wish I had one for RPGs back then.

[spring elk]

The only issue I had was during the motorbike chase/battle sequences in FFVII. That was a lot going on for that controller and the button placement.

[serene nebula]

Oh lol, sounds like you’d be doing finger twister on that controller during that segment

[spring elk]

It was... problematic. 😏

[mortal oracle]

Is that on the original? Pretty sure I never bothered guarding or using the ranged attack 😅

[spring elk]

I probably would have fared better if I was more adept at throwing gang signs.

Yeah, the original on that one-handed Grip controller.

[mortal oracle]

Oh, for sure - looks a nightmare on that!

[tacit fox]

Wondering if this is related to the DE10 Nano not being able to keep up with video_mode 12 or 13? I can't reproduce this on my second MiSTer.

This is also not 100% reproducible on the DE10 Nano that presents this behavior

[tacit fox]

Time to get another DE10 nano 🥲

[tacit fox]

Nah! It just happened with the other DE10 nano.

[rapid garden]

Good thing those clone drives are getting made

[tacit fox]

Ok, so it seems that enabling “Fixed HBlank” (along with the already enabled “Fixed VBlank”) helped Need for Speed III and I couldn’t get eventual black screens during gameplay so far. I will keep testing to rule out any coincidence.

[tacit fox]

Yep! “Fixed HBlank” really seems to help here. No idea why, though!

[serene nebula]

Glad you figured it out and thanks for posting how you fixed. it'll help others who run into that situation

[tropic stratus]

the reason is probably that the game changes the resolution or screen centering (e.g. screen shake) and this will cause a sync drop

it's the old tradeoff: fixed v/hsync -> stable image, unfixed -> more screen space used

as the screen drop outs will hit less users, because only few games do this, but black bars all around the image will be seen (and complained about) by basically everyone, i decided for unfixed...

[chrome kindle]

What is more "original"?

[grand sage]

can anyone recommend a good psx-to-usb controller adapter for the ps1 core? i'd rather use usb instead of snac. i hear the raphnet one is good but it's out of stock

[tropic stratus]

both are. The aspect ratio is the same. fixed blanks gives you less screen space, but allows for the screen to shake without moving the image outside the screen. With analog out this parameter has no effect

[chrome kindle]

I did notice something changing with Direct Video

But maybe it just flickered briefly

[scenic reef]

Direct video adapters sometimes lose sync, rarely.

On resolution changes.

[final salmon]

This is surely best for most people. I figure I'll raise my hand just to show the oddballs do exist. H/V blank always on. Borders always on in other cores. Think I'm used to it after starting with PAL Master System 😂

[mortal oracle]

Pretty sure I also blank, but I also crop, losing a couple of lines (I think) but basically get full screen output

But I might be wrong…

[tropic stratus]

yes, crop helps with getting less black bars, but sometimes you also lose some real image. So you would need to adjust for every game

[mortal oracle]

Agreed. It’s usually not a big deal, but every now and then you need to turn it off

[somber steppe]

Would crts also show the black edges or would they just auto fill?

[mortal oracle]

I’m probably not answering your question, but CRTs back in the day didn’t seem to care about the resolution changes, so I’d suspect you could just leave the blanks off and it would be fine anyway

I guess modern TVs are a bit more finicky

One day I’ll get a CRT again 🥺

[somber steppe]

One day new high quality crt will be produced (I hope)

[hard laurel]

I have to say I doubt this will ever happen due to the work involved.

[somber steppe]

😦

Amazing how expensive and huge retro gaming got but how it's not picked up by hardware suppliers.

[hard laurel]

Its part of the reason why I decided to go for a MiSTer.

With how expensive original hardware can be (even though I do have a number of Consoles in my collection).

[buoyant plinth]

I'd just started HDMI-ing my consoles when I discovered the MiSTer, saved me significant money. Glad I started with the Dreamcast!

[mortal oracle]

I should dig out my 6th gen consoles and get them modded rather than relying on emulation there

[abstract drift]

i'd be very surprised if anyone starts up making CRTs ever again, they require massive glass-blowing foundries that just dont exist anymore

[runic edge]

What about hand blown artisan crts? Eh?

https://hackaday.com/2012/07/12/building-a-crt-and-bathing-yourself-in-x-rays/

[crimson steeple]

Should be solved when the retrotink 8k comes out lol.

[solid seal]

CRTs are not just scanlines shadow masks

Perfect motion clarity and 0 display lag is the true reason to use a CRT

[chrome kindle]

As well as flexible resolution and refresh rate

[buoyant plinth]

I like the whine

[chrome kindle]

What whine

[buoyant plinth]

Ah, your ears have healed over. Congratulations.

[chrome kindle]

Can you speak up?

Honestly my hearing has a falloff starting at 8kHz probably

[buoyant plinth]

Scrolling distortion is the other best thing about CRTs 🙂

Never noticed it before LCDs. Can't unsee it ever since.

[chrome kindle]

it makes the game alive when the steel deck of the space ship rolls like gentle hills

Or you're not talking about nonlinearity?

[buoyant plinth]

I am, yes

The only CRT I actually use is in my vectrex, which isn't able to demonstrate the issue 🙂

[chrome kindle]

Yeah and it's unusual as CRTs go 🙂

[buoyant plinth]

Lil bit 😄

[chrome kindle]

Instead of scanlines, it draws the game graphics

I need to see one irl again

More pixelation free than a retina display

[buoyant plinth]

Slower refresh as the game gets busier too

[chrome kindle]

What really seemed cool were those 1960s/70s vector displays that had memory, where you could draw arbitrarily complex vector drawings and it would just stay visible

[buoyant plinth]

Turn up the gain and you can see the electron beam path, looking behind the curtain

[chrome kindle]

Hehe

And the electron beam probably looked into you, using x-rays

[buoyant plinth]

Explains my glasses prescription

[chrome kindle]

Should move to #crt

[buoyant plinth]

Nah, they're dead tech

[chrome kindle]

Heresy

[buoyant plinth]

It's okay, so's everything else the MiSTer does. Zombie systems are the best 🙂

[chrome kindle]

Yup

[twin walrus]

Juggernaut is missing a foot in X-Men Mutant Academy 2 😆

[chrome kindle]

It is a fight to the death, though

[twin walrus]

yeah

[chrome kindle]

I see what you mean, she has more legs on the left

[ivory verge]

what core version ?

[twin walrus]

8/14 I think

[ivory verge]

it occurs all the time ?

[twin walrus]

yes

I thought it was PSX2X, but it happens in normal core as well.

[ivory verge]

default settings ?

[twin walrus]

AAAHHHHH 😩

One thing I forgot to test was if using the unlock all cheat causes it.

[ivory verge]

I can't reproduce it

[twin walrus]

ok just turned on my MiSTer. I am using 24.04.18

[ivory verge]

default settings 20240418

[twin walrus]

I'm currently trying to recreate the circumstance

so by default I usually go to PSX2X, enable an unlock everything cheat, and that is how I got it

might be a PSX2X bug then

[ivory verge]

with PSX2X may be so , we do not report errors with this core

[twin walrus]

yeah, my bad. the bug followed me into the normal core so I thought it was consistent

actually

I disabled the unlock all character cheat and the rendering is normal again

on the PSX2X core

here it is in the normal core. it was the All Characters cheat that causes the bug.

[ivory verge]

yeah

[twin walrus]

so cheats related bugs aren't reported then, right?

[ivory verge]

nope

If it works ok with default settings (that is also without cheats ) then it is ok

[twin walrus]

alright, at least I should know better and test as many variables before reporting.

[lapis tide]

No news about gran turismo Replay bug? Will bé fixes oneday? Even if it Can be fixed manually in activing turbo mode it prooves that core timing aren't 100% accurate ...

[ivory verge]

As has been said here more than once, Robert has spent a lot of time to find the cause without success. Do you know the cause of this error ? Also, no one has ever said , that core is 100% accurate.

[storm barn]

I think one is supposed to enable the cheat, save the settings into memory card, then reload from memory card without cheats.

[twin walrus]

I should try that

[hard laurel]

In fairness, people like Smoke Monster who said the goal of MiSTer was hardware accuracy will have set that expectation. Not trying to say anything against any of the cores as they are absolutely amazing.

[ivory verge]

of course they are amazing 🙂

I love playstation and I love this core , I don't even use my playstations anymore, core is amazing

[mortal oracle]

My favourite core, for sure ❤️

(Followed by the N64 core)

[ivory verge]

I was never a big fan of the N64

but there are some interesting games

[empty yacht]

three or four

[mortal oracle]

I never had one at the time. Played it a bit at a friend’s house and enjoyed it though

[ivory verge]

maybe two 😉

[mortal oracle]

5th gen is the best gen 😎

[ivory verge]

PSX , SNES and SATURN are very important to me

nostalgia

[mortal oracle]

I grew up in a SEGA household, until the PSX came out, then it was SEGA and Sony

(RIP Dreamcast 😢)

If all PSX games were lost forever (including if they were also released on other consoles) - which 3 would you save?

My vote (no particular order): Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil (original has more nostalgia than 2 for me)

Although I’d miss symphony of the night and the crash games 😩

[ivory verge]

Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Soul Blade 🙂

but there are too many games

[mortal oracle]

Soul blade ❤️

Yeah, far too many. That’s what makes it a tough choice 😅

[ivory verge]

more fair is at least 10 games 😛

[mortal oracle]

10, hmm…
MGS, RE, FF7, Gran Turismo 2, SotN, Crash, Spyro, Tomb Raider, Tekken 3, Tony Hawk 2

Now I’m missing Oddworld 😢

Also Time Crisis 😭

[ivory verge]

Ridge Racer, Tomb Raider, MGS, Symphony of the Night, Soul Blade, Tekken 2, Gran Turismo, King's Field , Vagrant Story , Vandal Hearts

90 more games but 10 is 10 😄

[mortal oracle]

Ridge racer over 4? 😄

[ivory verge]

yeah

[mortal oracle]

🤯

[ivory verge]

those first PSX games made a huge impression on me

[mortal oracle]

It really felt like the future had arrived back then

[ivory verge]

it's all nostalgia, I return to the first ridge racer practically every week

[mortal oracle]

THREE dimensions?! You mean to say there are THREE dimensions 🤯

[ivory verge]

😆

[mortal oracle]

It’s funny, playing RE1 still gives me insane anxiety, even over some modern games that are more scary

Just because I think it’s conditioned based on how I felt playing it as a kid

Kinda like the opposite of nostalgia 😅

[ivory verge]

PlayStation blew my mind , nothing was the same anymore

I jumped from Amiga to SNES and from Snes to PS

[mortal oracle]

Yeah, definitely

Amstrad CPC -> Master System -> Mega Drive -> PSX for me

(Maybe the Master System was before the Amstrad in terms of when I got them)

[ivory verge]

those were fun times, nothing impresses me as much now (well apart from the cores on MiSTer 🙂 )

[mortal oracle]

Definitely

[hard laurel]

MegaDrive too I would add to this.

[mortal oracle]

I would have thought from your display picture that you were more of a Nintendo fan…

[broken timber]

RE: Dir. Cut (non ds ver), Alundra, R4, Tekken 3, MGS, Symphony of the Night, Silent Hill, FFIX, RE2, Bishi Bashi Special

[mortal oracle]

Bishi Bashi Special is awesome!

[broken timber]

Right? Great (and funny) party game

[dusty narwhal]

hello all! I have a question: is there a way to shorten/avoid the approx 1 second of screen blackness that occurs whenever resolutions chg in the PSX core? I notice it when going from menus to gameplay to fmv, etc

I have the following [PSX] specific settings in my ini:

[PSX]
vsync_adjust=0
video_info=0

(note: those settings were from an old reddit post, though the poster decided to delete their original posting (I just checked)...

[void scroll]

Have you tried the sync 480i for HDMI option? Also fixed vblank and hblank.

[dusty narwhal]

are those 3 diff OSD options?

[void scroll]

They are inside the PSX core video options

[abstract drift]

either use sync 480i for hdmi (though bear in mind this actually breaks the interlacing for any analog output) or enable vsync 1 or 0

[dusty narwhal]

@abstract drift so I have "sync 480i for HDMI " = on, plus those settings i shared above

i guess i could play with turning vsync_adjust=1

[abstract drift]

and its still dropping?

[dusty narwhal]

yes

[abstract drift]

oh check your video resolution settings, its critical the video output resolution is static

[dusty narwhal]

mind if i copy/paste my ini?

[abstract drift]

sure

[abstract drift]

weird that all seems correct

sorry not sure, you might want to post over in help this isn't exactly psx specific psx is just the core that does it the most

[void scroll]

What game are you playing to test the resolution changes? Maybe I can compare with my setup.

[dusty narwhal]

@abstract drift thanks for looking!

Castlevania SOTN

just the PSX load screen / opening SOTN video / etc

you can tell within a few second of loading the game

[tacit fox]

@dusty narwhal please post a picture of the core video settings in the OSD

[silent bridge]

Since that’s the case, didn’t you ever put in an audio CD after the game had loaded to listen to other music while playing? We found a few that were very good matches. Wonder if there’s a way to make your own mix for the game now. Seems like there should be.

[solid seal]

I've wanted to experiment with this for VibRibbon too. I think that putting the music cd in the same directory as the game, then picking it after the game loads would work

[void scroll]

I just tried it and have no issues with 1 second cuts on the intro. You should double check the video settings in the core menu.

[tender tartan]

You can also put CD audio discs anywhere and put an empty file named no_reset.txt in the directory

[dusty narwhal]

@tacit fox @void scroll here are my OSD video settings

maybe the file type im using has an impact? I have the bin/cue files unzipped in a game-specific dir in .../psx

[manic citrus]

turn off vrr

[void scroll]

The only differences with my settings is that I have fixed vblank on and black transitions off.

[abstract drift]

try turning off black transitions? though its only meant to be like 1 or 2 frames i think so it'd be surprising if thats what you're seeing

but do the vrr thing first for sure

[manic citrus]

vsync_adjust=0 + vrr -> sorg's monkey paw "real vrr"

[abstract drift]

i always forget that exists

its bad right?

[manic citrus]

if you have whatever magical display sorg had that worked when he tested it with the genesis or whatever: probably great

everyone else: probably bad

[desert otter]

I would think VRR is wildly inconsistent and cheap implementations with TVs but much more reliable and guaranteed to work with a lot of PC monitors that have freesync that's mid tier quality or better (not the bottom barrel implementations)

[silent bridge]

That sounds like it would work for Ridge Racer as well, wouldn’t it?

[dusty narwhal]

so i turned off VRR and black transitions...it is somewhat better now

is the general consensus to NOT use VRR (e.g. VRR = 0)?

in terms of monitor, I use HDMI with the Asus ProArt Display PA248QV

(which was considered a decent monitor according to the mister fpga forums)

(and thank you all, btw!)

[manic citrus]

vrr is fine, just not with vsync_adjust=0

[dusty narwhal]

oh ok, i have vsync_adjust=2 (= low latency mode)