Sony PlayStation

[foggy quiver]

Pong the next level is surprisingly good. It has a varied singleplayer campaign that is tons of fun. It is made by SuperSonic, the same devs that made the great Micro Machines Clone Circuit Breakers. Their Breakout sequel on PS1 is also amazing!

[serene nebula]

Hell yeah

[foggy quiver]

I played through both games on my PS1! They are awesome once you get used to them.

[serene nebula]

I should check out Circuit Breakers, thanks for the recommendation!

[grand sage]

huh maybe I was in a bad mood when I tried it, I’ll give it another go and try the breakout sequel too

[desert otter]

Oh my gawd, could that cover art for pong be any more 90s?

[grand sage]

It’s Back! ponq The NEXT LEVEL

fucking love ponq

[lilac scaffold]

Playing pong with a pinball is pretty next level

[willow sundial]

Thought this was an interesting update today from Mike chi about a issue with the misters output signal. Don’t know if this is psx core specific or mister wide but it’s missing typical signal info.

[serene nebula]

I assume it’s just a feature MiSTer didn’t support because it had no reason to.

Great to see him fixing it on his end though

[desert otter]

So this is basically a fix for RetroTink 4K peeps on modern displays

not necessary for me and my laser beams

[somber steppe]

I hope to become a rt4k peep soon.

[desert otter]

I'm personally fine not using a modern display. I've seen how all the filters look for scanlines and none of them come close to matching an actual CRT.
Perhaps possible to overcome the shortcomings of a filter when using an OLED display but otherwise it's just not as good.

[somber steppe]

I got no room for a second tv in my flat, so it's not really a choice.

[desert otter]

I feel that. I had no room for my second CRT, so I had to completely re-arrange my space to have literally just enough space for it against the wall lol

[tropic stratus]

https://twitter.com/GillsDuTweeb/status/1736081546971386056

maybe someone wants to check it

[desert otter]

You want others to replicate the issue?

[tropic stratus]

there are probably 10 things that can go wrong with 4player psx, so it's always good to have someone look at it

[desert otter]

I can try, but it will be by using a combination of two PS5 and two PS4 controllers with USB cables

I don't have SNAC

[tropic stratus]

i doubt this was done using snac

[desert otter]

ok. I can download that game and give it a whirl. want it tested on both mainline and 2X build?

[tropic stratus]

normal core is fine

i have snac+ multitap but only 2 pads, so i cannot test it with snac anyway

[desert otter]

what exactly is this game's name?

[tropic stratus]

he wrote simple series 1500 vol. 30: 1 on 1 plus

i don't know it, sorry

[desert otter]

I am dumb. It's Japanese only lol. Took me a minute to find it.

[tropic stratus]

sorry, i have to leave for today, maybe i can also test tomorrow

[ivory verge]

yeah jap, I don't know why he has the region set to PAL

but rather it shouldn't matter

[desert otter]

So far I don't see an issue pressing start on a second controller while all 4 are connected at once. clicking start on second controller makes the OSD pop up saying P2 as well as it saying P2 in game with a cursor for character selction.
Further pressing start on the other controllers makes the OSD pop up come up correctly saying P3 and P4

@tropic stratus

[hot marsh]

So weird question, are there any commercial snac for psx that has 100% compatibility?

Like tact, vpick and tambourine have issues due to low current/power provided by most designs

Like in my experience, tact is not responsive and tambourine works well if you are short

[desert otter]

nothing about anything involving addons for the MiSTer is commercial.
It's all home made stuff. Either you're making it yourself, or someone else is and you're buying it.

there is a difference between the hastily slapped together stuff that costs a few bucks, and the more premium stuff that people make by hand.
Some stuff is crap chineseum, and other stuff is proper DiY.
The proper DiY stuff is a bit more pricey though.

[merry hound]

I have SNAX and it works with everything I've tossed at it

https://misteraddons.com/products/serial-native-accessory-converter-snac

[desert otter]

@hot marsh
So, you can either of the following from MiSTer Addons

SNAC V1 (currently discounted to $10 otherwise is $30)
https://misteraddons.com/products/mister-fpga-serial-native-accessory-converter-snac
Coupled with adapters for your controllers for about $10
https://misteraddons.com/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?variant=39785701671045

Second option is the one linked above that I was just about to do by @merry hound for $55
Coupled again with adapters I just linked above for your controllers.

[hot marsh]

they both seem to have the same issue

[desert otter]

The SNAX V2 I think just comes with a single PSX adapter

[hot marsh]

which will make the 3 controlelrs not work well

[twin walrus]

Would it be possible to implement mouse support as a substitute for guncon?

[hot marsh]

probably not

guns work based on crt timing and stuff

at least on snac level

but why not just use a wiimote?

[merry hound]

You can in some cores https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXdZwcgRehk

[twin walrus]

That's what I'm playing right now lol I wonder how they implemented it

[twin walrus]

how easy is it to setup?

I'm also worried about input delay

[hot marsh]

i mean, it won't be as good as crt's guns

[twin walrus]

cause I remember the tracking was bad even on crt

[hot marsh]

since it's IR based. i mean the guncon 3 isn't that great either

it will be on the level of the wii ones

where you'll need a cursor

but it's very playable

it just won't feel like as if you played with a guncon1

[twin walrus]

i should probably grab a pair

[hot marsh]

the premium ones are either the one with a border and gun4ir

or if you have CRT, guncon1/2

[twin walrus]

yeah I have a CRT

does component mess with timings?

[hot marsh]

nope

it works well

and I use an HDMI->component

[twin walrus]

cool just gotta wait until my next paycheck

[hot marsh]

i do wish the saturn one worked on saturn

[twin walrus]

I sold my Sega Stunners to @sage aspen, I keep forgetting to ask him if he's gotten around to checking them out.

[hot marsh]

in theory GC2 can probably work with SNES/Genesis too

[desert otter]

So to clarify, you have a SNAC adapter both v1 and v2.
You also have an original PS1 multitap and when plugged in, only 2 controllers can be powered up and used at one time? @hot marsh

[hot marsh]

I'm using a generic one and based on design, it follows blue1's design.

Based on snax, they seem to have the same issue unless you can tell me that vibration works like on actual PS1

since iirc all PS1 commercially sold snacs have much weaker vibration due to using 5v on 7.5v pin

like in terms of design of snax, I don't think they'd add 7.5v circuit on the hdmi connector

[desert otter]

@humble thorn sorry for the ping, but if it's possible to weigh in on this that'd be great 🙂

[hot marsh]

And for clarification, the 3 controllers worked well once i added 7.5v input

[desert otter]

right, but as for why it works on Porkchop's snax and not whatever you're using and knowing some more intricate details is what I am after with pinging him.

On a side note though, he is releasing a four port SNAX adapter if you're interested in that
https://misteraddons.com/products/copy-of-mister-fpga-serial-native-accessory-converter-snax64-coming-soon

[serene nebula]

I signed up for notifications lol

[desert otter]

ye, an all in one 4 port solution that's small and clean is a really nice selling point

[serene nebula]

finally I'll be able to yell train station names in densha de go

my 10 year journey is coming to a close

[merry hound]

I have a prototype and it's fantastic

[serene nebula]

you're a prototype

[desert otter]

once it ends, your additional 20 year journey shall begin

[merry hound]

I am indeed, one of a kind, thanks!

[serene nebula]

you win this round

[desert otter]

how do I tell if my analog board is 6.1?

I forgot

[twin walrus]

it's printed on the board

[desert otter]

ugh. I have to take mine apart to do that.

[merry hound]

Where did you buy it from?

Seller might know

[desert otter]

It was pre-built, but I have taken it apart once before. It is one of the cheaper ones from Ali Express rather than the more expensive one you can get from Porkchop

[torn yoke]

what deinterlacing setting are you using?

[twin walrus]

weave

[torn yoke]

Hmm I noticed Bob screws things up

What video settings do you have enabled?

[torn yoke]

ooh

man

Turn Sync 480i for HDMI off

you are getting some bad jiggles because of it and its never using the correct fps (Should be 59.9), the video time is off when you enable that

You probably see dot crawl when interlaced video is on because of it as well

Anyone using analog should always have Sync 480i for HDMI =OFF

[twin walrus]

the hdmi is going to a capture card

got the analog io for crt

is it still affecting it?

[torn yoke]

Yep

[torn yoke]

interlaced looks like crap on a CRT if you have it enabled

[twin walrus]

thanks, I had no idea. gonna try a game out. Slap Happy Rhythm Busters is almost entirely 480i I think

holy shit, you're right!

oh well I can see the difference on my CRT

[torn yoke]

Yeah haha

Does it make any difference on HDMI?

[twin walrus]

the capture card doesn't show the difference

I don't think 480p hack is showing any difference

gonna look at DoA, I think that had in-game 480i too

sync 480i doesn't have an affect on the capture card, only the CRT

I wish I had known that sooner

the 480p hack thankfully doesn't show any affect to the CRT, but it helps the capture card footage a lot!

[torn yoke]

Yeah, I feel like it should be a bit more clear, maybe @mystic violet can add it to his page

[mystic violet]

what who when?

[torn yoke]

SYNC 480 FOR HDMI makes interlaced content on the PSX look like ass on a CRT

It should always be off

[humble thorn]

@desert otter and whoever else was wondering, SNAX does indeed have a boost circuit for PSX rumble.

It outputs around 8V

And it only goes to the 1 pin used by PSX controllers for rumble

SNAX64 has everything that SNAX does and adds 2 more N64 players

I also added an extra 3.3V regulator in case people want to try using N64 hardwired rumble packs

When testing SNAX rumble I hooked up a multitap and had all 4 controllers rumble for a few minutes straight (if memory serves me)

[twin walrus]

this man makes results!

So I can buy the 4 port SNAX for PlayStation and hook up a multitap with full rumble?

[humble thorn]

Yeah the multitap only needs 1 port so it works the same on SNAX as it will on SNAX64

[mystic violet]

@torn yoke let me add that

in a more kid friendly term 😄

[desert otter]

@hot marsh there's your answer above. Porkchop's includes a boost circuit.
which brings me back around full circle to what I originally said, there's cheap chineseum and proper DiY.
You get what you pay for 🙂

[humble thorn]

❤️ lots of good solutions but I always put a lot of thoughtful design into mine.

[mystic violet]

weird

I still have this a WIP for the core:

Bug Hunting / Resolve
Serial Port
MultiTap (Markun) - current solution is a hack```

anyone know if this is still the case? for Serial Port and MultiTap

Serial Port probably never happened

[still palm]

he's talking about usb multitap there

no Serial port because I never did it.

[tropic stratus]

Multitap can not do 4 emulated dualshock with memcards like a real with SNAC could

Only 4 digital/analog works. Probably enough for 99% of the use cases, but not for all

[twin walrus]

AH ok it's the SNAX64 in question

[tropic stratus]

thank you very much!

[tawny palm]

Guncon 3 is actually very good on MiSTer. It's accurate enough that you don't even need an on screen cursor. Just aim and shoot.

[lost pecan]

depends on the crt too. I wasted a lot of money (different guncons, pedals, snac with composite input, leads) only to find out my BVM needs to be set to unplayable high brightness for the gun to see the screen. I wouldn't touch a ir/mousetype gun though, I was spoiled by time crisis arcade and can't accpet anything less than proper gun experience

[twin walrus]

I'm using a consumer CRT

[lost pecan]

it might work, if you can borrow a setup to test. If you're in the UK I can send you all my unusable junk 🙂

[twin walrus]

How does the Guncon 3 interface with MiSTer? I have a PS3 so I should benefit from finally being able to play HotD 3, 4 l, Overkill ajd tye Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles

[twin walrus]

I'm in North America haha I appreciate the offer. I do know someone with some Wii remotes but I'll need to source my own USB sensor

[lost pecan]

probably the same experience with wiimotes as guncon3 if that's mousetype/ir. Still better than a pad but not as good as a guncon1

[twin walrus]

Do the PS1 Guncon 1's work on other cores?

Otherwise, I'm willing to compromise and grab somethijg tjat works across the board

[lost pecan]

you mean nes and sms? I never tested as the whole brightness thing put me off but you can probably google it

[twin walrus]

I'm watching Wii and Guncon 3 setup for now. Otherwise I guess the mouse is fine for supported games haha

[lost pecan]

I found this for guncon 2 : https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=4161

[lost pecan]

In the end it's whatever gives you fun and nostalgia that counts.

[twin walrus]

That's an interesting thread.

[twin walrus]

I never played the console versions of several of these lightgun games so I want to play them as closely to the original as possible haha

But the investment for a curiosity makes it hard to just drop on a pair of guncons.

[shut escarp]

Guncon 1 with SNAC is a lot better experience than Guncon 2 usb.

Fortunately, the PS1 games are by far the best light gun games available on mister. Lots of really good ports and a few unique games

Time crisis and Project Titan play amazing. gunfighter the legend of Jesse James is basically Wild West time crisis. Point blank 1-3 are incredible.

You can use guncon1 usb with PorkChops reflex adapt to use it on non-ps1 cores but that’s the only way to do it with GC1

[hot marsh]

Wow it works without snac on other cores

Sucks that my crt guns hate my crt (upper left corner area is offscreen) only xbox one is good with it

[twin walrus]

Is Porkchop's GunCon2 breakout worth it?

[twin walrus]

also asking because Saturn has some lightgun games I might wanna play too and having universal setup that fits my budget is preferable.

[ivory verge]

unfortunately saturn core does not support lightguns yet

[shut escarp]

It’s only really necessary if you can’t easily plug in to the RCA plugs on your TV/ only have SCART / are using in an arcade cab and don’t want to splice off your sync

[tawny palm]

It's basically like an IR controlled mouse, only it can be calibrated to be accurate to an extreme. You can quite literally turn off the on screen cursor, and it just works by pure aim. A Wii remote cannot be calibrated with the same accuracy and would be impossible to use without an on screen cursor.

Also, just an FYI, the guncon 3 only works with the three Namco games on the PS3. It does not work with games like House of the Dead 4, Umbrella Chronicles, etc.

I can also say that over Thanksgiving last month, I showed the guncon 3 working on the MiSTer to my brother-in-law and niece, and never explained to them how it worked. I just handed the guncon 3 to them, and they were hitting their targets in games like Point Blank and Duck Hunt without any issue. No on screen cursor at all. Point Blank in particular was a big hit with two player mode (two guncons).

[mortal oracle]

How does the guncon 3 accuracy compare to the guncon 1 with a CRT?

[tawny palm]

They're fundamentally different techniques, and nothing can beat what a guncon 1 and CRT were doing. But I was able to calibrate the guncon 3 to the point where simply aiming at the target would register a hit, so the experience in practice just seemed roughly the same.

[fluid coral]

yeah I think I need to get both styles of guns, just trying to decide if I need anything fancier than the wiimote for IR style. gun4ir offers angle compensation which doesn't seem important

[twin walrus]

I'm starting my lightgun journey on MiSTer from scratch. Recently started playing Resident Evil Survivor and the game is harder than it has to be with a dpad. Unfortunately, it doesn't have mouse support otherwise I'd be fine with the mouse.

My main concern is that while Guncon 1 will be the best experience on the PS1, I'm sure once Saturn gets lightgun support, I also want to play those.

[shut escarp]

SNAX + PSX adapter + saturn adapter + Guncon1 + Virtua gun

there are some 3rd party guns that can do PSX GC1, PSX justifier, and Saturn Virtua gun modes, but they're typically a notch below a real corresponding lightgun

[twin walrus]

oh yeah I've come across some of these on eBay

there was a Saturn/PS1 lightgun which is cool

[shut escarp]

240p has a couple of those, I don't have much personal experience with them

i think the nubytech one

my lightgun bin is getting pretty full now lol

[twin walrus]

Has there been any development with the PlayStation move? nah nvm they're too expensive for what they are.

I did find this lot in case I go the Guncon 3 route.

[spark ermine]

I've got a couple guncon 3 but haven't got the emitters but gonna have some soon to try. Mainly just for modern displays. Got guncon 2 that's worked decent for most of the things I tried

Old video testing duck hunt with guncon 2

[twin walrus]

Guncon 2 seems like a good balance.

[spark ermine]

Seemed like the most convenient option at the time so that's what I went with

[twin walrus]

Are you still using it?

I found several appealing deals on ebay and if I can use it with 4th and 5th gen cores (maybe arcade cores one day?), I'll just take those. Wii and Guncon 3 seem like a slight hassle and I remember Wii being laggy.

[spark ermine]

It's been a while since I have done any lightgun stuff but that's what I'd be using. I'll try guncon 3 soon, I'm expecting to be blown away by it

[twin walrus]

MiSTer Addons sells the sensors but I would like to know if they work on CRTs.

[spark ermine]

I don't see why not. I remember a friend having them for time crisis on ps3 12 ish years ago and worked fine there from what I remember

If using a crt with mister probably better with a real lightgun like a guncon 2 I would assume

[twin walrus]

What were the concerns with Guncon 2?

Oh I had to scroll up. Kajoq already mentioned GC1 is better than GC2 for PS1 games. But if the experience is still better than Wii or Guncon 3, I'm starting to think GC2 is a good middle ground solution.

damn, too bad this is specific to it's platform.
https://polymega.com/products/gc01-retro-gun-controller

[spark ermine]

That looks ugly af lol

[dusky ore]

It's Sinden tech which, I actually don't know the status of that on the MiSTer, whether it got support

Guncon3 isn't bad, just a matter of getting or making sensors

[rose ermine]

You can get sinden working by using the guncon 2 mode, but it requires an rpi, an arduino and something to draw the border, plus there are still kinks to work out. Wouldn't get sinden for mister tbh

[dusky ore]

Right, I'm not counting that though lol

That's called "basically getting a Guncon2 to work"

[rose ermine]

A guncon 2 that needs to be hooked up to an rpi which outputs to an arduino which is then connected to mister which then in turn needs to output to a retrotink or OSSC

[dusky ore]

Yeah, that's too much of a mess

Native support would be ideal but from what I recall it was a case of both drivers and software support.

Maybe some day, I did manage to try the Sinden guns on the Gungeon lightgun game and they feel pretty alright

Guncon3 at home works just as well for me though

[twin walrus]

I just watched Lu's year old video on the Guncon 2 and it appears to not have any lag.
https://youtu.be/s0F8KnqeOd8?si=-hX0P0J7tXZO2lN2

maybe I will go the route Kajoq suggested at first and grab a Guncon 1 or maybe a two in one for Saturn lightgun when that inevitably becomes available.

also, I was reading that several PS2 games support Guncon 1, and some with limited functionality because GC2 has an extra button or two.

[rose ermine]

I'll say this with regard to lightguns. Gun4IR blows everything out of the water and if you can make one yourself, it isn't too expensive. The pre built ones are insanely priced though.

Guncon 1 via snac works perfectly, exactly as it does on console, as you would expect. Guncon 2 works well if the game is bright, but poorly if the game isn't, for example the end of area 2-2 in time crisis where you go through the dark room or the "shooting the criminals in the dark" level on point blank. Guncon 3 is okay if you just want to play casually, but really isn't up to snuff if you're trying to set high scores

[dusky ore]

I just use GC3 since I had them lying around lol

[rose ermine]

IIRC, only virtua cop and gunvari collection don't support guncon 1 as well as the NTSC versions of time crisis 3 and crisis zone (the pal versions do support gc1)

[dusky ore]

Gun4IR does seem promising and I would probably try going that route at some point if I had all the stuff handy

(course, i do have a good 3D printer available now... 👀)

[rose ermine]

I would highly recommend it if you're really into light gun games. It's the only thing outside of sinden on PC (and even then only when sinden is set up properly) which actually feels close to a CRT light gun. Especially if you can print an odcon or icon. Gun4IR can also be used on PC which opens up a surprising amount of games. Hell virtua cop 1 and 2, house of the dead 1 (port of saturn version), house of the dead 2 and 3, big buck hunter arcade, die hard arcade and of course emulation are all on PC. Some take a bit to get working, but they do work.

[dusky ore]

Yeah, I can certainly see the appeal of it. I do love lightgun games so it could be worth investing in for me

[twin walrus]

I'm barely getting into Lightgun stuff and it's only because of wanting to play Resident Evil Survivor properly 😆

[shut escarp]

@twin walrus the main issue with GC2 is some games with lots of dark screens/reds will have dead zones in spots. Some games it’s no issue, others can be really bad. T2 on Genesis is an example of one that’s really touch and go with GC2

It’s definitely the best catch-all solution for a single gun right now though

[twin walrus]

Yeah, the only thing about the GC2 is that while I do have a PS2, I'm not sure how to feel about it being a mouse pointer on MiSTer.

[shut escarp]

If you have a PS2 also, definitely get a GC2

It has a ton of great gun games

[twin walrus]

If I have to narrow down my choice of games for a proper setup, I'll just get the GC1+SNAC now and if I want to play the PS2 game, I'll pick up some GC2's later. Right now Resident Evil is my main curiosity.

I played tons of Time Crisis at the arcade back in the day so it's not an itch I absolutely have to scratch but glad it's a game that works with the GunCon.

On the PS3 side, I think House of the Dead and Resident Evil seem to only be PlayStation move games and I haven't looked deep enough for a definitive answer on if it works with the GunCon 3.

Besides, the main reason I got a MiSTer was to experience the games as closely as possible to the real hardware 😆

Also, does anybody know what the situation is for Justifier games? Can the MiSTer trick the game into using GunCons over Justifiers?

[shut escarp]

They do not worth with Guncon3. Only time crisis and deadstorm pirates do sadly.
For ps1 justifier there are patches for every justifier only game except Area 51, but GC2 can spoof that usb

Or GC1 with reflex adapt

[twin walrus]

oh nice, apparently the NTSC US version of Resident Evil needs a patch anyway

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4196/

[spark ermine]

I still need to get around to trying that with the lightgun

[twin walrus]

That's the first game I wanna play with the GunCons

[tawny palm]

The sensors are completely independant from the TV, so you can use them on any kind of display. Same as you can use a Wii sensor bar on any kind of TV.

[tawny palm]

It'll probably be the first and last time you play the game. 😅

[shut escarp]

I wasn't gonna say it lol

[sand minnow]

I wasn't impressed by one of the sequels when I played it in an arcade (Code Veronica Gun Survivor, IIRC).

[spark ermine]

I played that on ps2 without the light gun and it was okay for a one time play through as a curiosity.

If you're a big resident evil fan anyways

[twin walrus]

I'm still trying to beat it with a dpad

[twin walrus]

oh damn I forgot there are two Guncon Resident Evil games

ooooo dang

[spark ermine]

Second is super short

[twin walrus]

I'd believe that. Umbrella Chronicles is very very abridged and packs in the original Resident Evil trilogy in one game plus extra story

fortunately, that series is very great on analog stick

[tawny palm]

Actually Umbrella Chronicles doesn't include RE2. That game is covered in Darkside Chronicles.

🤓

[desert otter]

one of those is Wii, the other I think is either GC or PS2

I think Umbrella is Wii, and Darkside is... maybe also Wii and I just didn't know...

[tawny palm]

Both are Wii. And later ported to PS3.

[desert otter]

I wonder if the port was any good and takes advantage of 1080i or if it's better to just play on Wii in 480p

[tawny palm]

Sadly, Darkside Chronicles is super rough due to the bizarre decision to use a shaky cam in a game where aiming is important.

I've only ever played the Wii versions, so I can't comment on the PS3 ports. If they added 60fps, that would be the biggest upgrade.

[desert otter]

I don't think 30fps on Wii games is an issue with CRT

I haven't noticed it at all when playing 30fps games

[tawny palm]

On a bit of a tangent, but man the best lightgun style game on the Wii was Dead Space Extraction. That game is incredible. Well best original game anyway. House of the Dead 2 and 3 are the best on the console.

[desert otter]

HotD are the best on any console lol

which was PS1, PS2, and Wii

maybe there was something on GC. Don't know

[tawny palm]

Well HotD was on Saturn, not PS1.

For obvious reasons. 😅

[desert otter]

maybe I was thinking of just PS2 then lol

[tawny palm]

HotD 1 on Saturn. HotD 2 on Dreamcast.

[desert otter]

You sure there wasn't one on PS2?

[tawny palm]

Maybe 3?

[desert otter]

then perhaps I am thinking of Time Crisis games

[tawny palm]

Not sure.

[desert otter]

Those were also good

[tawny palm]

Yeah, Time Crisis is on PS1, PS2, and PS3.

[desert otter]

I mainly played HotD and TC in the arcade, and only ever saw them on console with light guns when visiting someone elses house where they had them

Only light gun I ever owned was NES for Duck Hunt

Used other people's if it was for anything else lol

[tawny palm]

Saturn has games like Virtua Cop and House of the Dead.

[desert otter]

you ever play Die Hard with light gun?

[tawny palm]

I don't think so.

[desert otter]

it's ok. probably for the best

even though it gets listed in top light gun game lists

[tawny palm]

The PS1 games I've played with a lightgun are both Time Crisis games, all three Point Blank games, Project Horned Owl, Lethal Enforcers 1 and 2, and Elemental Gearbolt.

[twin walrus]

nah, 60fps is obvious when you see it after playing games that can barely keep 30

the more I think about it, the less I wanna bother with light guns lmao

I bought taiko drums for the PS2 game and stopp playing it a month later XD

beatmania though, I play the PS1 games and PS2 games all the time.

[tawny palm]

Respectfully disagree regarding 60fps. It's a massive improvement and game changer in my opinion.

[grand sage]

Has anyone tried playing FF8 on the core and noticed any graphical glitches? I think I found noticeable glitches during Squall's Renzokuken. Especially the Blasting Zone one.

Not sure if it's a configuration issue, though...?

[tropic stratus]

I cannot remember that. Played through the whole game but it was a while ago

[ivory verge]

if you play on default settings ( no turbo, cd speed hack etc. ) , do not use modified versions of the game and cheats then maybe there is a bug 🙂

[grand sage]

no mods and no performance tweaks

Let me boot my MiSTer and check my settings

[ivory verge]

you can send savestate here , we'll check it out

[grand sage]

uhhh... for some reason, my MiSTer has lost network. Trying to troubleshoot. 😅

[grand sage]

Well, here's a clip of what I was getting during my playthrough:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ShyLitigiousCroissantDatBoi-mOPQhvSBQo5IysFe

and here's what I assume it should look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz6bjvdUYU4

I also sent save states to @ivory verge , in case he has time to try to reproduce the problem. Thanks!

[final salmon]

Have you tried the core setting GPU Slowdown option?
I believe the default setting has been maintained from earlier versions of the core, but switching it (to "on" iirc) is closer to OG hardware

Visually reminds me of a Driver menu bug I had for this reason

[grand sage]

Once I can get my MiSTer online again, I'll be able to check. Thanks!

[grand sage]

ok, found the option and yeah, it was set to off. I think I left everything here at defaults

will give it a shot and see if it improves the glitches

thanks 🙂

oh, but it can lead to crashes... hmmm

[final salmon]

Where does it note can lead to crashes?

[ivory verge]

yeah looks same for me

as in the video with the glitch

[final salmon]

I believe the primary issue is that the setting was a late addition, so not heavily tested. I suppose could lead to crashes? I've turned mine on and all good so far at least with no crashes

[ivory verge]

I checked with the GPU option and without , in both cases this glitch occurs

[final salmon]

Ahh, sorry, hoped that might have been it

[ivory verge]

above is savestate from @grand sage

if anyone would like to check

[grand sage]

oh, interesting! Thanks for checking! I was JUST about to do this now. Good to know it's not me doing something wrong! (for once! hahah)

[grand sage]

when you enable it, (U) appears beside it, and near the top it says that it can lead to crashes

[ivory verge]

yes it's the unsafe option, helps in some games

[tropic stratus]

it does help in some situations

not sure why it happens in this fight. maybe because no background needs to be rendered

unfortunatly i was not able to get the finishing move at all

the other 2 i got have been glitch free

but feel free to create a github entry with it. Not sure i can do much other than increasing the gpu slowdown

[twin walrus]

you're actually agreeing with me though. I meant that 60fps would be noticeable if it was there since most PS3 games barely keep up with 30fps 😆

You can see 60fps on PS1 by the way.

In Battle Arena Toshinden 3, you can enable a 60fps mode which drastically reduces graphics. That is a setting that all console games need.

[tawny palm]

Ah, must have misread it. Thought you meant it was only noticeable under certain conditions.

60fps is always such a massive improvement to me. Obviously depending on the genre, it's not a huge deal (like turn based RPGs), but even in those cases, it still makes a huge difference in the fluidity of the motion even if it doesn't affect gameplay in games like RPGs.

[tender tartan]

Slow menus are the worst though, so arguably it makes a big difference there too

[twin walrus]

I like to play on PC more than consoles because I am at least in control of the performance of my games (disregarding obvious unoptimized games on the developer's behalf).

I'll double down and just set the minimum settings too for FPS games XD

I think many PS1 games would loose their charm though if they ran at 60fps or above. (you know, nostlagia and everything)

[tawny palm]

When it comes to classic games, frame rate is rarely, if ever, a deal breaker for me. I prefer to play them as they were on the original hardware, which is why I love my MiSTer. I'm less forgiving with modern games though.

[mortal oracle]

22fps for life!

[twin walrus]

[ivory verge]

[north dome]

games on ultra actually look worse. best to turn all the bs down and just turn textures and antisotropic/texture filtering to high or ultra

[twin walrus]

for PC gaming, I disable any stupid camera related effect like the chromatic aberration and vignette. there are some other ones I disable too, they do not contribute to the visibility of the game in any way 😆

[north dome]

yeah most of them blur your screen and make it not as clear

post proscessing and depth of field are the main ones you want to turn off

[twin walrus]

blur is another one I disable, I think those are to hide the low framerate animations but more often than not it's used for the "cinematic" gaming experience.

[north dome]

anti aliasing is also bad. texture filtering does the same thing but looks better and doesnt add input lag

[twin walrus]

yeah, some games simply don't let you disable AA, they just let you set it to low.

[north dome]

yeah it's so annoying. i main fps games then retro comes in 2nd

[twin walrus]

I'm a mixed bag, but my main genres are fighting games followed by SHMUPs, and then everything else.

[north dome]

nice. yeah i just cant get enough of fps multiplayer. it's like my form of meditation, just getting in the zone where it's just me and the game

same thing with retro platformers

[twin walrus]

Have you tried Medal of Honor on PS1?

[north dome]

i played the pc version

been pc gaming since the 90s

is it a port?

[twin walrus]

It's an original game

Dreamworks made it

[north dome]

oh nice i might check it out

i miss the old fps campaigns

[twin walrus]

It's 007-like in that the enemies are "choreographed".

[north dome]

can we get mouse look on mister?

that would be cool

[twin walrus]

I'm sure it can be patched or hacked in

but I don't know how they're going to get real mouse range since the game is dpad only

[north dome]

i played some of the delta force game on ps1. i loved delta force on pc

[twin walrus]

there is delta force on PS1?

[north dome]

yeah it's actually really good for ps1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ZM_8RI4UA

works with the widescreen hack too

a new delta force is coming out soon. made by a chinese dev but the graphics are like battlefield level. im excited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEPZ60AnKpg

[twin walrus]

the new delta force looks like it's gonna have Battlefield style conquest.

[final salmon]

@grand sage Tested my FF8 PAL save, don't know if it would need to be in the final battle, but I got the "Blasting Zone" in the boss rush before that point, still got the visual glitch.
It does seem to be a little different if GPU Slowdown option is on/off, so perhaps that is coming into it.

Might be worth adding a GitHub issue to track it. I'm wondering if it's possible some of this is the same on original hardware? I only have a PS2 to test though...

[grand sage]

yeah, @tropic stratus showed similar, but different glitches occuring with it set to OFF, but then fixed when set to ON

[grand sage]

The youtube clip I found APPEARS to be captured from a real PS1 and it doesn't occur. Also a friend of mine says she didn't see it on her real PS1, though she did not test it out recently.

[final salmon]

Hmm. Might be a bit sensitive... original hardware test might be revealing.
Finally got it to activate elsewhere than the final boss, on the Island Closest to Hell.
On the island, "Blasting Zone" with GPU Slowdown on, no visual glitch (as in FPGAzumSpass example).
On the island, "Blasting Zone" with GPU Slowdown off, glitch, just on the part where the beam ascends to space

[grand sage]

I opened an issue on Github. 🙂

[ivory verge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues

You did it in the wrong place , here is the place to report bugs

[final salmon]

I was just looking for it 😄 Currently testing Duckstation out of curiosity, in the absence of a PS1
(EDIT: For what it's worth, not seen on Duckstation during the same spot I tested on MiSTer for PAL FF8)

[grand sage]

oops, lol, thanks for that

[north dome]

it better. dice copied conquest from delta force. it was called something else though

pretty sure they tried to sue dice over it

that was the rumor on why they shut down at least

it was they lost and went bankrupt

lawsuit was against call of duty over the logo i guess

so much easier to find info on the internet these days

[still lichen]

I have two MiSTers and i want to centralize their saves on a NAS and mount via smb. I noticed the memcard files on PSX are named after the parent folder (i think), so i have two PSX.savs with different contents. Whats the best way to consolidate the two?

[serene nebula]

They’re named after the game

[viral inlet]

That convertor could extract the saves and move them to one virtual memory card or no?

I can't remember if the PSX itself could move blocks between cards and don't know if the PSX core can do that.

[oblique frost]

boot to PSX bios in the core, mount both memory cards, use the BIOS's memory card tool to move blocks around

also memory cards are created to named as the parent folder a given game is in. Which is why it's highly, suggested to put each game in its own folder. The other effect of every game in its own folder is being able to switch multidisc games without rebooting

[tropic stratus]

this is a very good sign that the slowdown is just not enough. It's a pity, but unfortunatly a shortcoming of the core needing to use ddr3 as sgram and they are barely compatible at all. More slowdown will affect games negative, but less will leave such glitches in. It would probably need a more intelligent slowdown that depends on what is really drawn...

[serene nebula]

Oh it’s the folder and not game name? I was wrong.

[oblique frost]

it's the game name if you have your PSX folder laid out correctly

but it's literally just the folder, yes

people just chucking their bin/cues or chds directly in the PSX folder.... insanity, madness

unclean

[viral inlet]

.sav and .mcd both seem to load up just fine on the MiSTer from what I was checking out today.

[serene nebula]

Yeah my game names and folder names are the same. Well either way thanks for explaining it.

[oblique frost]

horray for having the correct layout @serene nebula you win a gold star 🚫

[serene nebula]

I name my games after feelings though.

Metal Gear Solid = Sneaky_Ice_Party.chd
Tekken 3 = Rumble_in_the_Bronx_3.chd
Final Fantasy 7 = Autism_Saves_the_Planet.chd

[oblique frost]

I'm taking your gold star away

[desert otter]

I have a batch script that can read sub folders and creates folders to put the chd in when using chdman.

So I basically have two folders, cue and chd.

I can just download games from someone like vimm where it comes as a folder with cue+bin in a 7z file and I can just highlight them all and extract here, then run the script and it'll auto batch convert and put them into self titled folders in the chd folder then I can just drag and drop everything at once into the SD card

Ez pz

[grand sage]

Closed my original one (at the wrong place) and opened it here. Thanks again!

[still lichen]

Oh right, forgot you can manually mount cards. Perfect, thanks!

[desert otter]

https://youtu.be/uRB7iUCX4KQ?si=ANvm_MEDk3AR4FLa

This is nuts

[serene nebula]

What is the insane discovery?

[bitter lintel]

it would be unless i just bought all the games on ebay

[desert otter]

Watch and find out bro

[bitter lintel]

don't watch it robby. don't fall into their trap.

[desert otter]

You can't resist watching MVG

It's impossible

[serene nebula]

if you tell me the insane discovery I’ll watch, plz

[bitter lintel]

you just posting that video with no explanation is like somebody asking a question and just going "title"

[desert otter]

Lol he pretty much tells you within the first minute or two

[buoyant plinth]

I never watch rando youtube vids

[bitter lintel]

you know what, there are gifs for people like you.. and here it is!

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-hitting-someone-sword-13world-reaction-gif-23469319

[serene nebula]

my favorite gif 🤣

[desert otter]

I have auto play of gifs disabled

It's just a static image for me

[serene nebula]

Can you do that on mobile?

[bitter lintel]

he sees the monkey. i win.

[buoyant plinth]

Heck yes

[desert otter]

Not sure if the setting for it is on mobile app but such settings sync across devices via your account

So essentially yes

On mobile I have to open it to see it in action, and on desktop I just hover my mouse over it

[buoyant plinth]

Your icon/settings/accessibility/automatically play gifs when possible OFF

[bitter lintel]

watch the extended 12 hour lotr trilogy to find out who gets the ring

[buoyant plinth]

Also "play animated emoji" off

[desert otter]

Ah, it's hidden under accessibility

[buoyant plinth]

Also stickers animation off

[desert otter]

I'm fine with emotes

Just not a wall of gifs

[buoyant plinth]

It's the dumb nitro ones with their dumb animations tho

[bitter lintel]

you've already written a wall of text on how you've disabled automated gifs. you could've explained the video in half that time.

[desert otter]

Or you know, you can watch it because it's quality made content and the dude deserves every bit of viewership and revenue

[bitter lintel]

i think most "youtubers" should just get a job. he's not getting a penny from me!

[desert otter]

You can also just do what Linus does and read the comments

[bitter lintel]

in before "he's a game dev"

[frail wraith]

The video says that if you play as player 2 and unplug player 1 then you can play as a xenomorph and access previously unaccessible areas.

[bitter lintel]

MVG: mediocre village gardener

[desert otter]

Lol. MVG is a dev actually. He's worked on ports of shantea as well as helped port retroarch to some consoles like Xbox

[bitter lintel]

he's worked on shantae? really? how do you know? maybe because he mentions it twice in each of his videos

[desert otter]

Lololol

So you know who he is

[bitter lintel]

how tf would i not? i'm a game nerd wasting time on discord where his videos have been posted numerous times.

[desert otter]

Lol.

[serene nebula]

||@desert otter he’s trolling||

I’ll watch the video

taking one for the team

[bitter lintel]

you should've just written a quick summary!

[serene nebula]

🫡

[desert otter]

||watch me make him click this spoiler for nothing||

[serene nebula]

lolol

[bitter lintel]

okay well... i will have the last laugh. click my username if you dare

[serene nebula]

I did what supposed to happen

[desert otter]

If I do that on mobile it just auto fills your @ in my text box

[bitter lintel]

can't you read the message? is that personal shit only i can see?

under "note"

[desert otter]

Notes are something you add to people's accounts for yourself to see. Things that can help you maybe remember who they are and how you met them

[bitter lintel]

so for three years, nobody has read what i assumed everyone would see. "you just wasted a mouse click"

only i can read it. so i'm the one who lost the mouse click

[desert otter]

[bitter lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-pissed-mad-angry-furious-gif-4720563

the note has now been swapped out with "best man"

[serene nebula]

LMAOOOOO

What a legendary turn of events

[desert otter]

Not sure if notes are maybe something friends can see. Never checked that.

[frail wraith]

Wait. Mine has it.

[buoyant plinth]

The best fun thing about notes is that the field is right next to "message" which can lead to some amusement

[bitter lintel]

what?

[serene nebula]

He added it himself

You got trolled

[desert otter]

He's trolling you snake 😂

[bitter lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-trololo-laugh-song-singing-haha-gif-3522137

conclusion - sell all your physical games and don't watch mvg

[desert otter]

You could instead update your about me to say you made someone click then try and get them to click and read that instead

[bitter lintel]

now.. i fixed it

[desert otter]

I'm sure you did

[serene nebula]

today I learned that @desert otter is so powerful he can troll through sheer will alone

I will never cross you @desert otter

[bitter lintel]

low-key-lurking-savage

[desert otter]

I'm torn. There's this small part of me that wants to get snac and PS1 dual shock for the authentic nostalgianess, but then there's the bigger part of me that says you'll never use it cuz your DualSense is way more comfortable and you have no issues with input latency

[bitter lintel]

yeah fuck that. use dualsense

and your common sense

if you use your common sense first you realize you just need the dualsense

[desert otter]

I have two of them actually. And two PS4 controllers. Much more ergonomic 4 player lol

The coolest part is the lighting on each controller is a different color when connected

Don't know who programmed that but I love it

[bitter lintel]

when i bought the new ds4's, i was pissed they had parts of the led light on top of the touch pad. i've owned v1 controllers until now. i put a piece of black tape over those upper led lines

[serene nebula]

Don’t you live in darkness for half the year

[desert otter]

I like that there's a little light coming from the top edge of the pro controllers lol

[bitter lintel]

yes and while i play wired on pc and have configured the leds to turn off completely, i use them for five minutes a year on my ps5 where the led is required for the single game i play

kinda

[desert otter]

It's going to be confusing if Sony decides to call the next generation controllers DualSense 2

[bitter lintel]

you play wireless with the dualsense?

on mister

[desert otter]

No

I have long enough cables

Plus extensions if I need it

I don't sit very far from the CRT in my room lol

[serene nebula]

8BitDo sells wireless boards for the PS1 controllers

They’re ok, I own one

It’s not for the dual shock, only for the original controller

[desert otter]

I either sit on the edge of my bed or on the floor next to it with a pillow

[serene nebula]

Damn that’s pretty authentic

[desert otter]

As for the HDCRT I either stand (for Wii) or use the gamer chair

[bitter lintel]

why's that big fan pointed at the bed? lots of hot things happening there?

that bed looks like it's made for one man

https://tenor.com/view/hugh-hefner-playboy-gif-9865200

[desert otter]

Lol no. I just shoved it over there. Haven't turned it on since the summer

I recently rearranged the entire room to make a spot for that 4:3 on the floor

[bitter lintel]

toilet paper close at hand i see...this picture is very revealing, i must say

[desert otter]

Those are paper towels

[bitter lintel]

or is that regular paper

i see, i see

[desert otter]

We keep one bag unpacked up on a shelf in the pantry in the hallway, and a replacement bag under my bed. When we pull out the replacement that's when we know to go get more lol

Normally there is a bag of similar size for toilet paper right next it 😆

[bitter lintel]

well, i'm satisfied. and scared.

[desert otter]

Back to the TVs. I also either sit or stand for the HDTV which is opposite wall of the room to the HDCRT. The standing only being for playing Kinect games on my 360

[full nimbus]

now we know that a lie . No one ver plays Kinect !

[desert otter]

I do

[full nimbus]

no cant be true. Its terrible !

[desert otter]

As long as it's a Kinect only game that was properly made for it, it works flawlessly

[full nimbus]

Best thing Microsoft ever did was abandon Kinect. I actually paid for one I must have had temporary madness

[desert otter]

I've enjoyed the Kinect games I've played so far with it

[full nimbus]

fun tech for tracking terrible games

[desert otter]

Maybe you just lack the physicality and body eye coordination necessary

[full nimbus]

the games just bored me senseless

[desert otter]

I mean, to some degree I can see that depending on the game.
Dance games, Zumba, and Star Wars weren't boring for me. Kinect Adventures got a little boring after a while

[bitter lintel]

which kinect games are the best?

dance games... no thanks

[full nimbus]

dance games I like on Dance Mats

Kinetc not so much

trying to force Kinect on the XBox 360 sucessor was a bone headed move too

[desert otter]

Not really dancing when it's on a mat with button pads lolol. It's just stomping around

A little bit of jumping

[full nimbus]

Zelda on the Wii was good

but KInect never had that sort of thing

it was always doomed as so fgew people would buy one so no deves saw profit

[desert otter]

Kinect was definitely a different type of experience.

[full nimbus]

I used my for robot vision

[desert otter]

I think the tech behind it was ahead of it's time. I think if Microsoft were to take it to the next level with multiple synced sensors and get into the PC VR space they could make some money

360 degree body tracking without needing any trackers

Enough about eggsbox though. Speaking of dance pads, DDR on PS1

[full nimbus]

One of Roberts Favourite Game genres

he loves his Dance Games

even paid an obscene ammount of cash on one of those good pads

[desert otter]

Even better, trying to use the dance pad with non dance games and trying to beat those games with it lol

[full nimbus]

but if you love it its worht it

[serene nebula]

I made a Kinect game that got cancelled

It was good exercise to playtest it constantly

[abstract drift]

id worked on a kinect game?

[desert otter]

Imagine Doom Kinect

Rip and Tear by actually being a violent gremlin in front of your TV

[serene nebula]

Nah this was before I worked at id

[abstract drift]

ah

[full nimbus]

My best decision was to cancel that Game !

[desert otter]

Was it actually a Kinect game, or a game with a Kinect feature slapped into it for the gimmick

[abstract drift]

kinect was a neat idea, it's a shame they kind of gutted its capabilities before launch

classic case of cutting your nose to spite your face, kinda salted the earth for that idea for decades

[full nimbus]

it was good for robvot vision tasks

but it was too expensive to justify to gamers

same reason VR is a niche

[abstract drift]

the version that launched with xbox one solved a lot of the technical problems, but by then nobody cared

[shut escarp]

no killer app no care

[full nimbus]

it was hated at that point because MS had mandated it

and it pushed the cost up of the Xbox 1

[desert otter]

Doesn't help that it took 8 years to come out with another console. By then Kinect was a joke to most people

[serene nebula]

oh that’s right, I forgot I have a Kinect with the XB1

[desert otter]

It's not XB1, it's X-Bone

[abstract drift]

most of the ideas for it live on better in vr anyway i suppose

[desert otter]

I like how I saw that chat was turning into Xbox talk and I tried turning it back but then Robby brought it back to Xbox again

[full nimbus]

Robby is a bad mod !

but a strong eater

[desert otter]

So it turns out, Alien Resurrection for the PS1 had a secret cheat menu and code that would stop the disc and allow you to disc swap to any other retail game. 23 years and nobody knew.

[abstract drift]

even games from other regions?

[cosmic tulip]

Well definitely backups

[abstract drift]

oh

thats funny, i've got a copy somewhere guess its about to get a lot more valuable 😄

[desert otter]

Yes it also works with backups bypassing the wobble groove reading

[cosmic tulip]

I'm just waiting for mstation

[desert otter]

Is that like an FPGA remake of the console? Like SuperNT

Oh, it's a modchip

[serene nebula]

You’re right though, I’m sorry. We should try to keep to PS1

[full nimbus]

you must now subnject to an audit for just $50000 payable to me

[serene nebula]

I want to try that mod out with my Japanese PS1 games

[desert otter]

I want to eventually get a MakeMHz Stella chip for my OG Xbox
Yeah I agree, let's keep it PS1 related

Only believers hang out in this channel

@serene nebula

Which is better. Gex 1, or Croc 1

[serene nebula]

Croc 1 imo

[desert otter]

It's basically Gex but done right

[serene nebula]

Well

Gex 1 was a 2D platformer

It’s decent, nothing terribly exciting or poor

[desert otter]

I think Croc 1 is better than 3D Gex honestly

[serene nebula]

I really the 3D Gex games unironically

I like the gex one liners ironically though

They’re so awful lolol

[desert otter]

I like cheesy one liners unironically. And I can thank Arnold for that

"everyone needs to.... chill out"

[serene nebula]

that’s so good lolol

[desert otter]

Of course, can't forget the cookie

In fact, it's about time I watched that movie again. Just few more days

[bitter lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/every-party-has-a-pooper-moira-moira-rose-catherine-ohara-schitts-creek-gif-20775510

[bitter lintel]

pee station 1

you could put that on a your bathroom door rather than "toilet"

we have the pee station 2 downstairs

"well, that was also taken"

https://tenor.com/view/chad-warden-come-on-now-chad-warden-really-gif-18774263

[desert otter]

Jeezus. You just dug up something hella old with that gif 😂

I watched a wavywebsurf video about that guy once.

[bitter lintel]

shieeeet, it's not old

it's tha ps TRIPPLE

[desert otter]

😂

[bronze pulsar]

https://youtu.be/RtF80UCgarY?si=k5GZcYU0_qXNMA_I

[ivory verge]

mmm perfect ❤️

One of the best intros I've seen and heard

[bronze pulsar]

That and Tekken 2

https://tenor.com/view/chikku-neesan-girl-hit-wall-stfu-anime-girl-smack-gif-17078255

@serene nebula

[serene nebula]

LMAO

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-away-coronavirus-virus-stay-home-kid-gif-17209394

@serene nebula

[serene nebula]

I can't even get away with subtle trolling anymore, fml

[bronze pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-fighting-mad-angry-anger-gif-17771554

[serene nebula]

yeah the Tekken 2 intro is cool as hell

Nina with her spaghetti hair 😳

[bronze pulsar]

https://youtu.be/zXHl03Fr8XY?si=jsIjfg2vZ8bEN_tC&t=16

[serene nebula]

looks like angel hair pasta

[bronze pulsar]

Dern tootin

[serene nebula]

I hope you already bought Alien Resurrection if you wanted it. MVG causing the price to shoot up.

[bronze pulsar]

Who

[empty yacht]

one of those video tubers

[ivory verge]

40€

https://tenor.com/view/jul-juld-julb-julswap-crypto-gif-20747337

yes , these are PAL versions....

[bronze pulsar]

The tubes have enough denizens, if you ask me. get off my lawn etc

[buoyant plinth]

As if there weren't 27 ways to boot burned CDs on a PSX already

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[desert otter]

Yes, but all of them require some sort of hack whether it's good old fashioned super fast disc swaps (which aren't good for the hardware) a hacked save file and specific game, mod chips, etc.

This is (from my understanding) the only non hack, no extra hardware or steps needed method that is baked right into an off the shelf retail game.

you just need the game, a controller, a burned copy of another game and some cheat codes

[spark ermine]

I did one of those hacks that install thing on memory card and it boots up without a specific game. Forget what it's called. Did it before psone core was a thing and haven't used it since

Freepsxboot is what it was

[odd glen]

Wow, it was $18 this morning. Cheapest price now over $100

[hard laurel]

I have got the PAL version of Alien Ressurrection.

[somber steppe]

Can I use the alien resurrection cheat also with my xstation? 🤡

[tawny palm]

Haha, that Alien Resurrection cheat is so convoluted. Imaging having to do that every time you want to play your burned copy of a game. Not even remotely worth it in practice, but an interesting curriosity nonetheless.

[somber steppe]

Yeah, there were discs sold for like 10 bucks back in the day that did the same thing.

[runic edge]

It's funny that some game developers baked in a secret piracy method for themselves into one of their games.

Had to be on purpose right?

[desert otter]

it was just the one dude who did it. the rest of the team didn't know about it.

he did it for testing purposes and just left it in there

[fresh cloak]

Today I noticed with the Pal version of Spyro 3 that the loading screen stays black for a few seconds between cutscenes and gameplay. Is that normal?

[desert otter]

Probably the game doing one of it's many repeated disc checks to make sure your copy is legit rather than pirated

Spyro 3 was known for having this tech baked into the game, making it so that while you could do a disc swap to load into the game, it would soon enough know it was a burned copy

[runic edge]

Ah I see

Wrong end of the stick I had

[desert otter]

Best place to put the check is in black loading spaces where nothing else is going on with the game

[fresh cloak]

I have the SBI file in the folder that is supposed to bypass the copy protection. Does the black screen have something to do with copy protection? I'm pretty sure I didn't have the black screen on the original hardware with a copy of Spyro 3.

[desert otter]

@fresh cloak https://youtu.be/7HOBQ7HifLE?t=544

timestamped

seems like the check happens during game play according to what he says in this video.
could just be your microSD card being a little slower perhaps. could be slightly longer load times from having a compressed version (if using CHD files).

[fresh cloak]

I load BIN/CUE files via a 1TB SanDisk Ultra microSDXC card. That should be quick enough.

I remember that on a hacked PS1 Mini, the loading screen flickered while it was loading.

[desert otter]

where did you get your bin/cue files from

if you got them from dumping the disc yourself maybe try downloading a redump version.
If downloaded from the webs, depending on where you got them from, perhaps something wasn't ripped properly.

Could just be a quirk of PAL as well.

[fresh cloak]

The BIN/CUE files come from the No-Intro Fullset. The guys actually do their job very cleanly.

[desert otter]

ok. No-Intro is gud. assuming Archive.org torrent or something like that

it could just be a PAL quirk

the game was developed for 60hz and I know weird things happen when games dev'd for 60hz get sort of quickly patched to 50hz

which is what usually happened.

that's why you get games that run at different speeds between NTSC and PAL

[fresh cloak]

Could anyone of you test whether they have a similar problem with their PAL version?

[desert otter]

I am in the US so I can't do PAL unfortunately.

well actually... perhaps I could over HDMI?

maybe with my gaming monitor

[fresh cloak]

Since I place a lot of value on accurate emulation, I would be interested to know if others have the same problem.

[desert otter]

what version of the core are you running

[fresh cloak]

I downloaded the current version (from May 3rd, 2023) using the update all script.

[desert otter]

ok. and you said the issue is that you get random black screens during gameplay?

or just longer than normal black loading screens

[fresh cloak]

Exactly, the screen remains black during the charging process. Just before the game starts loading I see the loading screen for 1 second and just before the loading sequence ends I see the loading screen again for a second. In between the image is completely black.

[desert otter]

and have you tested this on both 1.0 and 1.1 versions?

[fresh cloak]

So far I have only tested this with the Black Label version. I don't think it works any better with the Platinum version (Rev 1).

[desert otter]

Only way you'll know if it's present regardless of version is to test. if you can confirm it happens on 1.1 as well then I will download it and try to replicate it too

a quick and easy enough way to get that version is with Vimm's Lair

[fresh cloak]

Ok, I'll try it tomorrow evening. Thanks for the help!

[final salmon]

Is there a good point this occurs? Like are you saying at this point (timestamp) the visual with "The Adventure Begins" would be there, then all black, then back again? Or what point

https://youtu.be/WA2GZQl43fA?si=ciZ73CvIvyGCPv8i&t=209

[fresh cloak]

The NTSC version of Spyro 3 has no copy protection.

[desert otter]

I think based on the way it's worded they are saying that it essentially hits the loading screen, then goes black then comes back briefly showing the loading screen image again before immediately swapping out to loading in-game graphics

as if the image is retained in the buffer or something

[final salmon]

Just wondering where if I can try to replicate. On the load link, or perhaps on other ones only

[fresh cloak]

I think QwerkyPengwen is right. The black screen has something to do with copy protection. I'll test it tomorrow with the NTSC version and let you know what happened.

[desert otter]

or could be a 1.0 quirk that is fixed in 1.1

who knows at this point lol. only testing will provide answers. tomorrow though

[tropic stratus]

spyro3 changes resolution, so it could be the display just drops out to resync

you could try fixed vblanks

[desert otter]

@fresh cloak ^^^

[twin walrus]

the light gun bug is biting again. I decided to demo some PS2 games on PCSX2 to confirm my suspicion of whether the GunCon 2 was a mouselike controller on PS2 and the calibration screen for Time Crisis 2 showing the game's cursor trailing my mouse.

How does it work on the PS1 and older light guns? do the older light guns actually register the screen like a hitscan? or do they also lead an invisible cursor?

[tawny palm]

Older lightguns don't use an invisible cursor. Well at least I know for a fact that the NES zapper doesn't.

[twin walrus]

I figured, because I do remember there being a video about how the light gun sort works

[twin walrus]

well, this settles it. You guys have been telling me this and it's like my brain didn't want to accept it. If I ever wanna play GC2 games, I'll just buy a pair.
https://github.com/NolanNicholson/GunCon2-MiSTer#guncon-2-performance-on-mister

[bright yacht]

Guncons uses the composite input to know whats going on with the signal, then with the light sensor pointed at the screen, it can pinpoint the exact location (based on sync signal) and report this to the console

[twin walrus]

I've seen several light guns/3rd party guncons that don't use the composite, do they just approximate for PS1?

[fresh cloak]

O. k., VBlank is the solution! Unfortunately, this makes the image smaller. But I do not care. At least now I know why I have the black screen. Thanks for your help!

[fresh cloak]

@desert otter ^^^

[final salmon]

Great that fixed it. I was delighted to see the PAL Sypro 2 + 3 fix, getting to play through with my wife has been great fun, though we hadn't got to 3 yet

If you want to make the image larger, you can increase the ~~zoom ~~ vertical crop a bit.
https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/highlights/psx/?h=vblank#fixed-blanks

[fresh cloak]

Thanks for the tip! I'll try that right away.

[bright yacht]

I'm not aware of any guncon compatible gun that does not require the composite signal.
Most probably those lightguns are Konami Justifier/Blaster compatible. The justifier works exactly like the older/common lightguns.

[twin walrus]

Thanks for the clarification

[tropic stratus]

there is a crop option right next to it to compensate for that

the smaller image is the reason why the option is not on per default...

sorry, just seen Mark already told you

[fresh cloak]

@tropic stratus Nevertheless, thank you for your help! And thank you for your commitment to the FPGA scene! You are an enrichment for all of us. Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year from Germany!

[vestal thicket]

If I use direct_video=1 in the mister.ini the deinterlace settings in the core don't do anything, correct?

[ivory verge]

Yes , correct

[rose ermine]

For the record, it doesn't need composite per se, just sync. If you output component, it'll work with the green plug which carries sync and luma. Likewise, if you output RGBS, you can plug it into the sync line

[twin walrus]

I appreciate further exposition on lughtgun lore 🍻

[desert otter]

so what you're saying is, I have to plug a lightgun using the green cable on my analog rather than using the yellow port on a SNAX? @rose ermine
Or just you explaining how an actual light gun works on a normal system but I need to use that port on the SNAX for MiSTer?

uh, you just did some kind of weird repost lol. or server bug perhaps?

or am I the only one who sees the repost... is it bugged for me?

[viral inlet]

Nah, it's there. Even has different timestamps

As someone with disadvantaged internet, shit happens.

[twin walrus]

I thought my previous reply didn't go through and my phone was reminding me

[shut escarp]

You can use either. The composite port on the SNAC is just there as a duplicate to make it easier for folks who can’t easily get to the back of their TV or are using SCART

[desert otter]

yeah, reaching the back of shiz would be a pain in the butt lol. using the port from a SNAX would be the way to do it then.

[shut escarp]

I typically do it to the back of the TV (well, back of my switcher) because it means I can swap the gun to a PlayStation or mister easily, but I get why it’s convenient for lots of folks to use the SNAC pass through

[desert otter]

I wouldn't be using original hardware, only with a MiSTer.
Even if I decided to use a gun with a PS2, I would need access to being able to unplug it easily from the mister and plug into the switcher, because the mister is hooked up to an SD CRT but my other consoles are hooked up to a switch that's hooked up to an HD CRT for 480p

so not reaching behind the TV either way is best lol

[desert otter]

@hollow stratus hey, I noticed that there doesn't seem to be a video from you about PlayStation dithering. I think you mentioned it once in a video but it wasn't a topic. Am I correct on this?

[hollow stratus]

Oh man I do not remember

Feels like five years ago

[desert otter]

@hollow stratus The reason I'm saying something is because it didn't look like you had made a video about dithering really at all like some other YouTubers have talking about the differences of dithering versus not dithering and using composite versus something else and things like 32-bit render modes on emulators.

And so I was thinking a video idea could be to try and showcase more specifically on MiSTer core the differences between dithering being on or off as well as the 24-bit render mode and then VGA 24-bit dither on or off and having comparisons between analog component out versus HDMI out and composite into CRTs and modern TVs, because I have personally found that while enabling 24-bit render and dither for it can make a lot of stuff look better, it also sometimes seems to make stuff look worse in some ways and in some games.

Not sure if you'd be interested in making a video about that.

[hollow stratus]

Oh no I did. I remember now. I showed silent hill

And dithering in the fog and differences. Right outside the diner

[desert otter]

Yeah, but like I said I think you spoke about it more in passing rather than it being a focus

[serene nebula]

Silent Hill is the prime example of PS1 dithering lol

[desert otter]

That or MGS

Then there's obviously the effects of the texture filtering options, such as all polygon or dithered (+ shaded) and the intensity levels and applying to 2D yada yada.

I basically don't think I see a video by anyone that essentially tries to break all of these options down and showcase the visual differences across analog and digital to CRT and LCD.

[serene nebula]

not being facetious but is that something you can do? You seem to be really knowledgeable. Would be cool.

[desert otter]

If it wasn't for the fact that I only have my phone camera to work with which isn't that great I would offer to do the work for getting a bunch of footage for comparison for such a video lol.

But sadly I don't have any capture cards anymore since I had sold them some time ago when I had basically decided I didn't need one cuz I wasn't trying to be a streamer anymore

[serene nebula]

Understandable

I don’t have any capture cards myself

[desert otter]

I'd like to make sure it's clarified I'm not saying bacon has to do anything lol. was just noticing that this exact topic/comparison didn't exist and was tossing the idea out there as a video idea in case they were interested.

I see no shortage of videos trying to show off composite dithering in sega games and videos showing off dithering + composite on PS1 hardware but nothing about these extra options for MiSTer

[tropic stratus]

I think it's too late now anyway, oooold core

[desert otter]

lolol

Robert: Comes out with core only a year ago
Also Robert: Adds texture filtering later into core's life.
Also also Robert: "It's ooooooold"

[tropic stratus]

i mean, that's just how it goes. only the newest stuff is exciting and will pull in viewers

[desert otter]

speaking of, what's the new FPGA board you guys have been toying with the idea of using for v2.0?

started with an A I think

[tropic stratus]

the only one i was toying with in the last yeras that starts with an A was "A mister"

[desert otter]

Kitrinx mentioned it to me as being potentially the next generation for MiSTer once. Can't remember the name though... wanted to look it up lol.

[tropic stratus]

Hopefully we get a new board from terasic in future. Newest fpga series is named Agilex there

[desert otter]

ah, that's what it was

see. started with an A

[tropic stratus]

I used a Artix for DS development 😉

[desert otter]

damn daniel, the full blown agilex is expensive asf boi
But specs look very noice. I can see this being trickled down into something smaller and more affordable in the not so distant future

[fluid condor]

Is there chart/cheatsheet for optimal settings for different video outputs? I switch between hdmi, vga, direct video, y/c adapter (composite) often and I'm having trouble remembering best settings for each heh....

The github doc needs an update

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/highlights/psx/#using-cheats-on-the-mister-psx-core

[desert otter]

Direct video with composite is pretty much leave things at default as is.
HDMI and component output is you should maybe enable 24bit render on some games to make the gradients looks a little better with more colors.

If outputting through HDMI you can enable dithering for 24bit and the picture should be fine but if using analog out with component leave that off as it does weird flickering on the image.

As for texture filtering, it seems to only have a noticeable affect on select games like Tony hawk.

The texture filtering is also probably just more noticeable when using HDMI out with scaling to a higher res display vs a CRT

[fluid condor]

Thank you! But I'm thinking something more like this

[oak atlas]

Perfect time to play the grinch on this core

[twin walrus]

Do not forget 101 Dalmations!

[odd glen]

So crazy…

[serene nebula]

Alien Trilogy also affected, presumably by idiots who bought the wrong game

[spark ermine]

Christmas is cancelled, had to buy alien resurrection

[serene nebula]

The game was $30 before the MVG video lol

[twin walrus]

I bet people are gonna start camping games more often now just in case another exploit shows up

[hollow cypress]

the real big brained move is to make a burnt copy of of alien resurrection and use a mod chip to boot it then use the new cheat to then officially-unofficially boot a backup

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-crazy-times-we-live-in-pete-davidson-saturday-night-live-were-living-in-a-crazy-world-what-crazy-life-we-have-gif-18838339

[spark ermine]

Some of those people are gonna be angry when spyro 3 anti piracy detection happens and they can't finish the game lol

[desert otter]

I tried out a few games last night for PS1. They were kind of garbage so I'm going to be deleting them lol

[hollow cypress]

n64 is the superior system

[ivory verge]

please.....

[tawny palm]

And Saturn beats them both!

[lilac scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-ralph-wiggum-george-washington-presidents-day-never-gif-20373692

[twin walrus]

i have a chipped ps1. i should make a troll video.

[twin walrus]

what games did you try?

[desert otter]

Some crap Disney games

Like Buzz Lightyear of Star Command and Lilo & Stitch

[twin walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637037020643852306/1141156231541702687/1681053367909824.gif

[desert otter]

I wanted to see which ones are good and which ones aren't lol.
Those two aren't

[twin walrus]

Oh ok I don't know why I understood you gave up on the PS1 library

😆

[desert otter]

I have no idea how to make sense of that sentence lol

Hercules is good. So is Treasure Planet.
I'm going to try playing Tarzan and Aladdin next to see how those are.

[spark ermine]

Toy story 2 is good on Ps1

[twin walrus]

YES

Toy Story 2 is actually good

[desert otter]

Ye, TS2 is good on pretty much all platforms even N64

[twin walrus]

TeamSpeak2

[desert otter]

👀

Can you believe there are people who still use Team Speak?

[twin walrus]

Did they always have paid tiers? I remember I was able to host a huge TS server

Now you're limited

[desert otter]

I guess if you want something that can be run locally on LAN without internet access it works for that

cuz you can set up your own local server for it I think

[twin walrus]

Actually, I'm still in a few mumble servers

they dropped Ventrillo

[desert otter]

I can understand using Team Speak for a LAN eSports event.

that way voice is always coming through clear without any internet online server shenanigans

[twin walrus]

I know people who dislike their telemetry data being stored and being sold so Discord will always be out of the question for them.

I'm just like 👀 ok, I can use all as needed 😄 .

[desert otter]

Discord doesn't sell data though

they hoard it and base their value off how much they have and get investors that way

then they also make a little bit of money off Nitro

[twin walrus]

Nitro whales probably sustain a good portion of Discord

maxing out server boosts and shit

[desert otter]

lol. People who buy nitro gifts for others

oh yeah, boosts

I just pay $10 for my nitro to get access to higher quality audio/video and the larger file size limit for file sharing

Obviously emotes are a part of that, but I pay for the $10 instead of $5 cuz of those things.

all the other stuff it comes with is just extra for me

[twin walrus]

I only pay for things that need to be paid for once. I absolutely avoid subscriptions unless I need it like Amazon Prime. It's how I got a few PS1 accessories and adapters.

[desert otter]

I want to play HP1 with the 2X core, but it breaks inputs completely on the controller making it so I can't control anything. it's weird lol.
Guess I have to just play it with those framerate slow downs

[twin walrus]

what's HP1?

[spark ermine]

Harry potter

[twin walrus]

o fuk, had no idea harry poh'er was on the old PS oner

[spark ermine]

I haven't got around to completing it. I liked the one on pc as a kid. It's very different compared to psone

[desert otter]

heck ye dude, PC version is best version

I never played it on PS1 and figured why not now with a CRT and MiSTer lol.
But those framerate slow down moments.... you can FEEL it.

To this day that repetitive song plays in my head as I hear the wand sound effect and the constant sputtering sounds cuz I can't keep my mouse movement steady enough while going fast enough to get a good score on spell learning.

And then there's all the times I constantly heard "Flipendo!" and "Alohamoraaa!".

That shit is burned into my brain forever lol.

[spark ermine]

I lower my dpi settings on my mouse nowadays to get a good score. Playing the spell lessons back in the day with a ball mouse was awful lol

[desert otter]

dude, if you could get a good score though, it's cuz you were a true gamer

[spark ermine]

Back then I was kinda terrible at it but bad mouse skills maybe :p, I didn't play alot of computer games. We had a windows ME PC in early 2000s that would lock up lots too. It was awful

[desert otter]

While I can easily find the ISOs for the old games, there's this small part of me that wants to just grab cheap physical copy off eBay.
I'm seeing the three pack of the first two with quidditch for $15... it's tempting

[spark ermine]

Would be interesting if have a old school pc to play it on and honestly that's not so bad price compared to burning all three on discs. I'm not sure if I'd get much use out of quidditch but I never finished chamber of secrets before. Chambers of secrets is one those games that's been in my backlog forever

[desert otter]

I picked up these two older lenovo laptops from a garage sale the other day.
One has a 6th gen i5 with a 1366x768 screen, the other has like a first gen style i5 5xx or something chip (ye, 3 digits not 4) and a 1280x800 screen lol.
Both have the option for VGA output so I could totally hook them up to my HD CRT

actually, is it 1280x800?

I think it's more square than that. let me boot it up

it's 1280x800. and it's got an i5 M 540

[spark ermine]

Pretty new should work fine. It's been a while since I played it on newer ish hardware like that and I do recall Harry potter having some texture glitch on the glasses but that was the only issue

[desert otter]

well yeah, this system came with Windows 7. The chip inside is from first quarter 2010 so like right after Windows 7 came out.

I think I could easily get things running on it lol.

but worst case scenario I have to get dgVooDoo2 up and running for it with community patches for things.

[twin walrus]

I did it

just waiting for them to get shipped

watch, gonna use them once, and then gonna have them in my controller bin.

also bought a PS1 SNAC adapter which is long overdue because I need to get back on Beatmania anyway after a month long hiatus. It's getting tiresome bringing out my PS1 just to play that game when I can just use the MiSTer.

[desert otter]

how much

for me on eBay these things start off around $35 and go up from there for a single gun

[twin walrus]

Got both of them for roughly $60

+S&H

[desert otter]

ok so you didn't necessarily score a sweet deal on price. pretty much paid what they are going for

I guess $30 per gun isn't the worst

[twin walrus]

Welllllllllllllll

[desert otter]

Are PS2 guncons able to be used on PSX games?

[twin walrus]

the seller or ebay had a 15% offer a week after they were on my cart

plus ebay applied a $5 coupon

[desert otter]

and also can I use a PSX guncon on PS2 game? I would think newer gen games are BC with older guns, but not sure what the deal is with newer gun on older games

[twin walrus]

yeah PS1 GunCon is compatible on a handful of PS2 games

I believe the only incompatibility will be if a game uses the extra button on the bottom of the GunCon 2

[desert otter]

but what about going backwards?

[twin walrus]

no because PS1 does not have USB

[desert otter]

oh, GC2 uses USB? interesting

so I have to find PSX guncon specifically then.

[twin walrus]

yeah, GC2 uses USB while still relying on the Sync cable

[desert otter]

but wait, can't the MiSTer let you use a GC2 over USB with PSX?

[twin walrus]

Although some third party lightguns support both USB and PS1

GC2 certainly works on the MiSTer, but there are issues with games that have dark scenes

that's why I settled on the GC1's

[desert otter]

ok. so basically it's best to just get a PSX GC and SNAX

[twin walrus]

well, particularly for PS1 lightgun games (the Konami Justifier games have GunCon patches except for Area 51).

[desert otter]

what about a third party PSX gun

from back in the day

[twin walrus]

If there is no sync cable, it's easier to assume they are Justifiers

but I have not found solid evidence of whether these are Justifier alternatives or GunCons that somehow work without a sync cable.

also here's what I paid

that includes the SNAC with 5v rumble

[desert otter]

Someone wants $29 obo for a GC2 but says the USB has some rust on it and they are unsure if it works or not basically saying they haven't tested it, and are labeling it as for parts/repair.
Wonder if I could talk them down in price lol.

[twin walrus]

I was thinking of getting a GunCon 2 bundle but I was turned off with how Time Crisis 2 two handled co-op.

[desert otter]

just looked at my eBay orders for the PS2 softmod stuff.
Now instead of an estimated delivery of between mid/late Jan. and sometime in Feb. it's mid/late Feb. as my estimated delivery.

[twin walrus]

the China stuff right?

My guncons are coming from Japan and are estimated between end of December or beginning of January.

I don't mind waiting since I need the SNAC adapter for beatmania anyway which should come here sooner.

[desert otter]

I'm getting stuff from China yes lol. That's the only way to get the stuff cheap

otherwise I'm paying like 3 times as much

got a 64MB FMCB card for $5.50, and a SATA upgrade adapter to swap into my OEM network HDD adapter for $14

I also bought an OEM Network/HDD adapter for $18 but that's gonna get here about Jan. 2nd cuz it's coming from in the US.

[twin walrus]

since my HDD port went bad I've been using USB to play PS2 games on mine; particularly Beatmania IIDX and very little Guitar Hero 2 Deluxe.

Most of the games I played on PS2 are on PS3 anyway. CvS2 is probably the only PS2 Classics game among that list. The other two are Third Strike Online (even though I have Anniversary Edition on disc), and Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection which I haven't played in years.

Not really a MvC2 guy but just having it on PS3 felt like a must have.

[desert otter]

Once I can find someone who can Frankenstein my PS3 I can probably put the PS2 away lol.

until then, softmod PS2 for PS2 games and try to not use my PS3 much if at all until I can swap the GPU on it

[twin walrus]

I'm heading to bed wondering what you meant by Frankensteining your PS3

[desert otter]

I have a launch PS3.
The issue with these models is the RSX chip made by Nvidia.
There are these solder like balls in the chip underneath inside that help with things like voltage/current.

They unfortunately fucked up by doing these poorly and so they eventually dry out and crack due to the stress and heat produced by the whopping 90nm chip.

Once enough of these little balls dry up and crack that's it. It's dead.

A Frankenstein mod is where you take the much better, more power efficient and lower heat producing 40nm RSX found in a slim model, and transplant it into the original fat PS3.

Allows it to continue living as it should playing PS3 games without the worry of it dying on you, but you also now have an original PS3 that has the EE chip from the PS2 in it that can play PS2 games and it pulls less power and produces less heat which also means the fan can run slower and still keep it cool using it's fairly beefy heatsink setup meaning it doesn't have to sound like a jet engine.

[north dome]

time crisis has a setting where you can use the second controller as a foot pedal

you gotta hit the side button with your toe. i tried it back in the day lol

[bronze pulsar]

https://fxtwitter.com/ElCaminoOscuro/status/1739343705868497050

[twin walrus]

That's hilarious, actually 😆

[twin walrus]

That's a very awesome upgrade then.

The only thing you do loose is the ability to play certain PS2 games at 240p and PS1 games will be upscaled.

[shut escarp]

Time Crisis 2/3 Link mode rules!

[twin walrus]

yeah, iLink is cool, particularly for Unreal Tournament

but I don't have two PS2s and CRTs for that.

[shut escarp]

https://vxtwitter.com/Kajoq/status/1547300964297752576/video/1

[twin walrus]

also, I wish iLink was added to PS1 for stuff like Rogue Trip Vacation 2012 and several of the FPS games.

[shut escarp]

PS1 had it owns version

[twin walrus]

I forgot what it was called

also, I meant I wish the link function was added to the core cause several games support it.

[shut escarp]

Oooh, fair.

[twin walrus]

My GunCon games list (including patched games)

missing is Policenauts, I forgot to patch that one

not gonna bother with the Star Wars game

[twin walrus]

I happen to have a USB adapter that I use for my PS2 stuff on PS3 and MiSTer. Would that enable me to use the GunCon 1 on other cores?

[desert otter]

Seeing as how I have a MiSTer PS1 doesn't mean much to me lol. And I doubt I'll ever be playing whatever PS2 games are 240p. All my PS2 gaming will be 480p on my HDCRT.
If I ever want to revisit playing something like ICO and want the original resolution of it with scanlines then I have the PS2 still and can use it on my SD CRT.

[twin walrus]

Ironically, a few of the games I'm referring to are on MiSTer anyway 😆

MegaMan X series

Also, the Mega Man classic compilation on PS2 is garbage because it upscales the 240p games. It's based on the Japanese PS1 ports. Yes, the first 6 Mega Man games were ported to PS1.

[desert otter]

Ah yeah the collection games that take older console and arcade titles

Like Namco Museum and Midway Arcade

[twin walrus]

A few Midway arcade games aren't on MiSTer yet, but they do have well done reprogrammed versions on several PS1 compilations.

[desert otter]

I had both on PS2 back on the day. Absolutely loved playing some of those games with my brother

[twin walrus]

I'm glad the MiSTer N64 core came out because I lost my Midway Arcade 3 disc which contained several N64 games on it.

MiSTer pretty much consolidates A LOT

[desert otter]

Mhm

And gets rid of some of the poor emulation you had to deal with on those collection discs

[twin walrus]

The Saturn ports of Mortal Kombat play much better there than they do on the PS1, but I still think MK Trilogy runs better on PS1. Just in case the upcoming Mortal Kombat cores don't work on single SDRAM, I can at least play the Saturn ports.

[twin walrus]

ABSOLUTELY!

[desert otter]

Everyone knows MK3 on Sega Genesis is best

[twin walrus]

😐

[desert otter]

It was better than the SNES version

[twin walrus]

Genesis was the only way I was able to practice Mortal Kombat at home.

I have a picture of me with my Genesis arcade stick but I can't find it

[desert otter]

Then you don't really have a picture now do you 🙃

[twin walrus]

it's on Social Media

but I gotta seriously dig for it

oh wow here it is

[spark ermine]

Danger

[desert otter]

That's either an extra large controller or your hands were just that tiny 😆 that controller looks as big as your head

[twin walrus]

the Sega Genesis arcade stick was tanky

[twin walrus]

Something I'm wondering is if the PS1 NES emulator will recognize the GunCon as a Zapper.

[shut escarp]

Only PorkChops reflex adapt lets you use GC1 over usb as far as I know

[twin walrus]

Guess I will try to experiment with my Brook USB adapter when I get the guncons

[sand minnow]

It's missing Rescue Shot Bubibo. I like that one quite a bit. Rescue Shot and Oh Bakyuun (aka Ghoul Panic) also have EU releases, IIRC.

I have seen Ghoul Panic in US arcades a couple times too.

[twin walrus]

I have an NTSC CRT so I have to choose the Japanese version for some games.

I'm very sad that Extreme Ghostbusters is PAL only

wayment, doesn't the MiSTer have a PAL to NTSC mode? or maybe it was a hack.

oh, I also skipped some very silly looking games just to trim down my choices

[desert otter]

ok so, is it just me or is the PSX emulator perhaps slightly not as accurate in the graphics department as original hardware?

I only say this because I've come across some visual glitching issues with some textures that I don't remember ever being there in TR1. But then again, it could totally just be TR1 being old and jank to begin with and my memory perhaps remembering how it looks in an emulator or perhaps on the PC version and I'm just being dumb

[ivory verge]

I didn't notice any differences in TR1 between core and PSX

[desert otter]

I'm using latest (I think) stable core

[ivory verge]

Yeah , probably like 99% of people here 🙂

[desert otter]

I see it doing it as I run around. it's not like every other second or something, but it'll happen where textures just basically pop out and back into existence

full squares and partial triangles on certain surfaces

[ivory verge]

Yes it's normal

[abstract drift]

That’s pretty typical of tomb raider on psx (and pc without a voodoo card) afaik

It can be much more obvious now on bigger tvs with hdmi etc

[desert otter]

I'm on a 32" CRT at 240p lol

[tropic stratus]

if polygons appear/disappear completly, it's very unlikely to be a rendering issues, because the renderer does not decide which polygons to draw and which not. If the content of a polygon is wrong(e.g. wrong texture, wrong color, ...) then it is more likely

[desert otter]

I don't think I ever played the non accelerated TR for DOS.
I only ever played a patched version that runs higher res, widescreen etc. and I think I used dgVooDoo2 or Glide Wrapper to play it.

And of course PSX emulation so that obviously probably doesn't have those issues.

I could definitely just be not remembering just how jank the PSX version really was

But I will say this, that texture filter option is a godsend

I find that while 100% makes things look extra smooth, 50% is a nice sweet spot to retain some finer details on certain textures

[viral inlet]

That era of games were pretty famously janky.

Polygons popping in and out, PS1 had the 'swimming' vertices, etc.