Sony PlayStation

[serene nebula]

Wait, no. Ghostbusters is good anime

[serene nebula]

I want to look like that

And drink my cognac

[oblique frost]

everyone knows peppa pig (jpn dub) is the greatest anime

[serene nebula]

And go “hmmm yes, ultima underworld on the PSX is quite a treasure”

[surreal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mad-furious-upset-annoyed-gif-17212761

[bronze pulsar]

50 years of Sazae-san await storage on your NAS

[serene nebula]

Oh yeah, Crayon Shin-chan is funny

[bronze pulsar]

dp isnt responding because he's so excited to download it all

[serene nebula]

Damn my troll attempt didn’t even register with you. Was it bad?

[bronze pulsar]

It only works if I like sazae san

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-mortal-kombat-you-fool-shang-tsung-gif-19622535

[serene nebula]

[bronze pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-bandicoot-bush-hiding-hide-im-gone-gif-18749766

[rare gyro]

Honestly it is, it feels like an early elder scrolls game

[oblique frost]

can't waste the bandwidth, have to capture it all before it escapes

[serene nebula]

yah it’s cool

[young sinew]

I’m also in the “hoard all the ROMs on a NAS” club, but I use a ROM manager to manage it, and it does everything I want it to perfectly except support CHD*. 😭 But hopefully support does get added one day and I’ll be able to reclaim so much space. Haha.

*Unless the listings in the DAT are in CHD already, but of course they aren’t.

[azure reef]

I thought RomVault supported chd but never tried?

although that seems like it would be a pain to update your romsets

every time there is a change the game would need rebuilt and converted back to chd

maybe something can do that, would be nice if you only keep chd sets

i manage my zip sets, and convert to chd manually right now

and keep both

[young sinew]

RomVault only supports it if the DAT has the games listed in CHD, and as Redump are BIN/CUE it means it doesn’t work with them. No way to just compress it on the fly like you can with a ZIP option, for instance.

[serene nebula]

Let’s not discuss those places please

[young sinew]

Datfiles aren’t copyrighted information, but okay.

[bitter lintel]

you look like a dat file

[young sinew]

You got me

[bitter lintel]

i got you good

[forest trench]

Just to clarify, RomVault is an app for verifying files, not a website

[serene nebula]

Oh ok, thank you.

I think that’s fine then, the name concerned me for a moment lol

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-angry-wrrr-ugh-gif-21903176

[serene nebula]

what I’m just trying to do a good job, I can make mistakes

[ivory verge]

haha yeah, i know ❤️

just kidding

i like gifs 😛

[rare gyro]

oooooo you just posted a gif

[spring elk]

...and Robby ROFL'd it! 😲

[ruby sleet]

It's just his nervous rofl

[hybrid shadow]

I should have my dual ram setup going here in a day or two. Is the dual ram PSX core worth running or should I stick to the single core?

[full nimbus]

marginal sound difference

not something the average human would even detect

[hybrid shadow]

Are there any downsides to using the dual ram version?

[ivory verge]

Nope

#test-builds message

Latest dualsdram test build

[hybrid shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/domo-arigato-ladybug-brad-pitt-bullet-train-thank-you-gif-25179225

[fallow turtle]

assuming storage not an issue, is CHD and bin format the same in terms of speeds/how the mister accesses the files?

[oblique frost]

for speeds, I think I remember chds having issues if you forced the cd speed hack to 3x/4x, other than that, if you're playing at original psx cd speed, there's no difference

[serene nebula]

there’s a different compression method for CHD that solves that issue

[oblique frost]

oh right

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I just play on original cd speeds like god intended

[bronze pulsar]

Gross

[fallow turtle]

ohh, any info on this or how to distinguish ?

[silent bridge]

Don’t CHDs need to decompress data so that’s why the 3x or 4x hack messes them up?

[oblique frost]

it has to do with the compression algo's decompress speed

there's a different one from default that sacrifices space savings for speed that works with 4x, IIRC

but I can't find the exact thinger about it at the moment

[serene nebula]

Sorry not home but I have a bat file that has the compression routines you need to run instead

[oblique frost]

@echo off
chdman --make-better -i brian.cue -o brian.chd

[bronze pulsar]

del q64.rom

format c:

[azure reef]

what is the size difference using this method?

I never had any chd issues yet so didnt know there was an issue

[oblique frost]

you only run into problems (maybe) if you push the cd read speeds up

[serene nebula]

It’s not really an issue unless you go to like 6x speed.

Or what dp said

[azure reef]

oh you mean on the core

[serene nebula]

Yeah it’s literally just a PSX core issue

[azure reef]

i usually dont change that.. just for neo geo cd

ill probably use the method you are talking about for neogeo cd if it causes issues there

[serene nebula]

I actually don’t know, when I heard about that I just conveyed all my discs that way

[forest trench]

Found your message here:
#1046940919607345272 message

[serene nebula]

Oh lol, thank you very much!

[tawny palm]

lol, I've been playing G Darius lately, and it took me three play throughs before I discovered the beam weapon mechanic from captured enemies (I thought you could only detonate them into that explosion). I only discovered it because I was watching the demonstration and saw the cpu use it. I was wondering why the bosses were such damage sponges!

[manic citrus]

I heard you like beams....

[ivory verge]

nice kamehameha 😄

https://tenor.com/view/big-kamehameha-gogeta-blue-dragon-ball-super-broly-gif-18316399

[manic citrus]

salty bet mexi-beams

[tawny palm]

Not just beams. Hype beams!

[sand minnow]

I wonder if he bumped into Homer Simpson.

[azure reef]

did you see the recent mexi-alien mummy

very cute

[manic citrus]

you mean the bad art project?

[azure reef]

its got real bones

looks like a pinata though

[manic citrus]

I too can stuff bones in a pinata

[azure reef]

yea... but the DNA test would show its alien or human

i mean animal or human

this one isnt easily as debunked

but yea it looks fake as hell

[manic citrus]

I mean, the guy already got caught lying about this shit previously

[azure reef]

he got fooled by someone else

[manic citrus]

yeah, that's what they all say

[azure reef]

he falls for shit

he isnt the one who found it

he just presents it

im not saying its real but this time im not 100% sure either way

at least we got good memes from it

I dont think its an alien ... if its real I think its a little hybrid creation from long ago

like little midget hybrid pinatas

if its a hoax, its a very old one

likely not meant to be a hoax, just an art piece like you said

[merry hound]

You should do this once on a while to teach children the consequences of violence.

[north dome]

@azure reef they're fake https://youtu.be/jiqkbpqVwGg?t=355

[runic edge]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This ain't that.

None of video or eyewitness evidence is good enough either.

[spring elk]

Whenever I see silly shit like this these days, I can't help but wonder what actual serious shit is going on in the world that this 'distraction of the week' is meant to keep me from paying attention to.

[runic edge]

Can we use the alien tech to make the next MiSTer?

[azure reef]

they are nice display pieces

@north dome

[full nimbus]

Any Alien who makes it across inter stellar space isnt going to hide

[mortal oracle]

Anyone have any idea how to get the crosshair to display in time crisis when using a mouse?

It shows up on the menu, but sadly not when in game

[serene nebula]

Hey friend, when you’re using the GunCon option for PAD1 in the core menu, a new option appears below “PAD2” called Show Crosshair. You’ll want that on.

[mortal oracle]

Sadly if I have Guncon selected, I can’t control it with the mouse (unless I’m doing something wrong) 😔

[serene nebula]

oh right you specifically said mouse, sorry

[surreal raft]

How does one enable cheats?

I toggled them on and nothing

[ivory verge]

Selected some from the "cheats " and they don't work?

[surreal raft]

Correct no work

[ivory verge]

Try choosing fewer of them e.g. 2 and see if they work

Anyway, I noticed that not all of them work ok

[surreal raft]

I tried the one that says unlock all and nada

Reset game in-between each time I changed cheats

[ivory verge]

I checked in a few games and cheats work, but not every one

Some are good , some not

[mossy wind]

games with patches sometimes have cheats that don't work

not sure what that game is

thats the only time i ran into an issue using cheats

but i think ive only used them once, so doesn't really say much

tried to use it on a translation of some sort

can't even recall

[serene nebula]

Found the handy padtest.exe program and linked to it in the pins. It’s an awesome way in the PS1 core to verify if your controllers are mapped correctly - #1046940919607345272 message

[dawn wind]

Is there a way to hide most of the options? My son is starting to play PS1 games on the MiSTer and he keeps fumbling around the menus and changing them all to god knows what.

[serene nebula]

My friend there is an awesome solution for us dads, all thanks to @rotund sphinx

So check it - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/MiSTer.ini

; code if less than osd_lock_time seconds have passed since the OSD was closed.
; set to 0 for manual lock from OSD
osd_lock_time=5 ```

[dawn wind]

Hmmmmm

Could pair that with that nfc thingy

[serene nebula]

Like to unlock it?

[dawn wind]

To load games

[serene nebula]

Oh, yeah definitely

Cores/games, etc

[harsh shale]

I had this thought the other day

ideally there would be a way to lock everything but the load games menu but the NFC thing could work

although thousands of games would get awkward

[dawn wind]

We could just play the good ones

[fallow turtle]

always thought that mistercade accessory was cool specifically for that reason, keeping the OSD menu stuff totally seperate

[serene nebula]

That’s pretty smart

[dawn wind]

I wanted to build a vintage hifi style case for my mister and would put the buttons with a navigation knob on the front.

[bitter lintel]

ain't that the truth

https://tenor.com/view/bret-xirtus-tartaria-reface-recent-gif-18586194

[bronze pulsar]

https://youtu.be/T5PH85mde6c?si=C-kdMvI0eyNADDOX

[little ledge]

What's this, a spinner?

Apparently a remote?

[fallow turtle]

its from misteraddons, specifcally for the mistercade.

https://misteraddons.com/collections/mistercade

not a spinner, the dial is a volume knob. the idea is more for people with an arcade cab setup that already has the controls and provides the extra inputs for volume/menu/add coin

but i always liked the idea of something like this even outside of the mistercade context

[ruby sleet]

Now THAT is a Hidden Gem©

[azure reef]

whats the redump playstation gameshark updates set? is this useful for mister at all?

PlayStation GameShark Updates - Datfile (30) (2023-09-14 23-17-56)

[scenic reef]

Not really. That's just a database of GameShark/action replay/etc... discs.

[serene nebula]

yeah it’s called a PS1!

[manic valley]

Nice pro pic!

I want one

[bronze pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-reee-reeee-reeeee-scree-gif-12568403

[azure reef]

PSOne

[bronze pulsar]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[thorny herald]

yeah I remember when PS1 was called PSX

[surreal raft]

Wasn't there a psx2 that was all white

Looked like a dev kit

https://tenor.com/view/oh-derp-mr-derp-south-park-s3e3-the-succubus-gif-21683081

[azure reef]

it was just called PSX

PS1 sony just called PlayStation until the tiny model they called PSOne

I dont recall them ever calling the original playstation PS1 or PSX

those are probably just names gamers came up with

[bronze pulsar]

I'll be deep in the cold cold ground before I recognize PS1

[ruby sleet]

PSX was an early term Sony apparently used. It caught on in gaming mags and that's where all us olds got it. 😆

We should probably let it go at this point. It has been nearly 30 years...

[azure reef]

none of the names bother me

except PSOne I dont really like

but its really just to signify that little white mini console version

which I had with a screen at one point

[spring elk]

PSlim

[bronze pulsar]

Never! Row row, fight the powah!

[serene nebula]

Yah I don’t care what it’s called. Although there was a helpful infographic that demonstrates how PSX was widely used beyond just being a code name.

Posted by @hollow cypress - #general-banter message

[hollow cypress]

lol I love that post

because it shuts everyone up

[ivory verge]

For me it will always be the PSX

1997/2023

[spring elk]

and for me, the Xbox One will always be the Xbox 720. 😏

[ivory verge]

Power Source

I love the PSX era, PlayStation is the most important console for me

[hard laurel]

I have this battle with people regularly when the call the Original PlayStation the PSX.

Its because reportedly its codename whilst in Development Was PlayStation X.

[hard laurel]

I have this Demo too 🙂

[spring elk]

Yep, and all of the media outlets started calling it that and Sony didn't object... but Sony never officially called it that publicly.

I never got bent out of shape about it. I don't really consider it much different than calling the Atari VCS the '2600'... at least during its early years. Atari did eventually officially rebrand the VCS as the 2600 approximately 5 years after it was first released.

[azure reef]

I'll start calling it PlayStation X

[spring elk]

Great idea!

...or probably just PSX for short. 😏

[azure reef]

now I am calling it Super PlayStation X

[tawny palm]

I'll just call it PSEX.

[storm barn]

Back then it was just the Playstation since there wasn't other Playstations. I called it PSX until 2003, after that I used PS1.

[tawny palm]

LOL, poor @ebon tinsel had to suffer through War Gods for today's video! And by "suffer", I mean have a blast playing the N64's best game.

[ebon tinsel]

It wrecked me.

I no longer see in color. All joy has been sucked from my life.

[tawny palm]

Oh whoops, wrong thread.

lol

[azure reef]

well it is on psx too I think

weird game

lol thats funny how that girl shakes her tits after the match

[serene nebula]

Internally at Microsoft they were absolutely furious over it being called the Xbone lmao

c-level executives were apparently “seething”

I’m sure it was all the other stuff contributing to that but ehh

[bronze pulsar]

Should have predicted customer shenanigans before naming it that lol

[oblique frost]

I think every company should just have a couple of teenagers on the payroll to run shit like names and logos past

things like this could be caught way earlier

[serene nebula]

My info is via 343 contacts at the time but apparently they didn’t do that or Xbone never came up?

The whole XB1 launch was disastrous anyways

[oblique frost]

I wonder what they think of the xsex

[bronze pulsar]

This is how you share games with your friends on MiSTer FPGA.

DMs Robby ROMs

[serene nebula]

Huh

Oh LOL

[bronze pulsar]

yeah, sony dunking on them lol

[oblique frost]

Robby ROMS sounds like a character in a PSA about downloading

[spring elk]

Robby ROMs sounds like a website Nintendo would have shut down already.

[bronze pulsar]

From 2004

[spring elk]

RobbyParadise

UndergroundRobby

[ruby sleet]

Robbydome

Which... I almost typed PleasureRobby, but stopped myself... oh, wait...

[serene nebula]

[sand minnow]

Should have kept the MSX naming convention. PS2 should have been PSX2.

[torn python]

You wouldn't download Robby would you?

[bronze pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-gif-22705101

[fallow turtle]

You need to provide your own Robbys unfortanately, google is your friend

[oblique frost]

I just run update_robby.sh

[bronze pulsar]

He turned into a fatbaby last update, wtf are the devs doing with that core

[tawny palm]

It just removes everything on your MiSTer except the Saturn core and Magic Knight Rayearth.

[bronze pulsar]

It renames and swaps the N64 and Saturn cores, and they autoload the quest game and MKR

[tawny palm]

Don't forget the secret code that unlocks War Gods.

[meager parrot]

Can anyone help me with cheats or memory card conversion for the PS1 core? I messed up and overwrote my gran turismo save with the license tests unlocked when i was configuring my wheel for it. don't want to spend hours going through that again

cant figure out cheats or how to get a memory card converted for it, just dead-ends with everything i try

Trying to record a video for the Japan version without copyright music all over it, trying this DexDrive save: From DIX_coltd (08/22/2006; 128KB)

on gamefaqs: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197468-gran-turismo/saves

I used a converter to get it to .sav format for mister and still doesnt work for some reason

Site I'm using is https://savefileconverter.com/, tried converting from "PS1 - DexDrive" format to Emulator, then converting to MiSTer FPGA format after that

[rare gyro]

hmm.. wouldn't you want to get that save onto a memory card image?

with a tool like: https://www.raphnet.net/programmation/psxmemcardmgr/index_en.php

[meager parrot]

i dont know. i have no idea what "DexDrive" format is

[rare gyro]

it's the format of an old school method of backing up saves from real hardware

so with psx memcard manager you should be able to open up the mc file on the MiSTer, and load the dexdrive format save onto it, without any need to convert it

Hope this helps

[meager parrot]

how do i load the memcard manager on mister?

oh i think i see, it saves as .mc after

ah that did it! couldnt see the mc file but once renamed to .mcd the core could read it

not obvious from the menu because it says "SAV,MC" so it seemed like it should work

issue is that the OSD does not have enough room to show the full "SAV,MCD" there it seems

thanks @rare gyro !

cheats are still confusing as hell. none of the ones i tried worked

[rare gyro]

Hey no problem! Sorry I couldn't help you a couple minutes ago, but I'm glad you got it now

[meager parrot]

no worries, set me on the right path for sure. that memory card manager did the trick

[rare gyro]

Hopefully someone else can help with the cheats, I haven't yet tried anything cheat related for PSX

[meager parrot]

yeah its my first time also

[bronze pulsar]

I used some cheats a month or two ago in the PSX core, in general they work the same but certain ones are meant to have the file edited to put one of the values in

[rare gyro]

it seems that for all cores, the menu system isn't sophisticated enough to enter a value for fill-in-the-blank codes. either that or multiple choice options.

[spring elk]

Triangles in all the right places... Mmm...

[meager parrot]

Tried Gran Turismo for a bit with the PS1 core in Dualshock mode for player 1 with a DS4 controller, and the vibration seems really heavy-handed and constant, like you're always driving off-road

[bronze pulsar]

Cybertruck ironically better in PS1 jaggy graphics?

Somebody get on that mod please

[ivory verge]

in GT2 the vibrations are softer 🙂

in GT1 after a race, hands are shaking 😄

[earnest saffron]

may I ask a question ? what kind of exe files can I load in the psx core ?

[ivory verge]

Homebrew games , demos

Software

[meager parrot]

its kind of insane. gonna try an original dualshock 1 with SNAC to compare next

[ivory verge]

I thought of the same thing , but today I won't make it

[meager parrot]

no worries! i'm playing a lot of gran turismo lately to prepare for a video so i'll get it compared soon here

tracking some trends for when the replays mess up also

somehow they seem to always play correct on nighttime stages (clubman)

[ivory verge]

The longer the route, the greater the chance of issue

I use cpu x2 and zero problems 🙂

[meager parrot]

interesting. i'll try that next. just the core by itself with no hacks turned on in the OSD?

[ivory verge]

Yes , with default settings

[meager parrot]

i didnt see this trend. even longer night courses like clubman 11 play full replays perfectly

[ivory verge]

I saw issues in the replays there as well

[meager parrot]

most common tracks it happens on pretty much always are high speed ring and grand valley east

i'll take my CR-X on trial mountain next to try again, but i think that one plays correctly for me

(since its a longer one)

[ivory verge]

In general I spent several hours testing this , the PAL version works most stable in replays

Setting the turbo to high also eliminates this problem, but I am lazy and use cpu x2 😆

Maybe someday this problem can be eliminated, it's good that there are easy ways around it for now

[meager parrot]

trial mountain replay messed up pretty much immediately

played deep forest after that and replay went through flawlessly

just so confusing

[hallow phoenix]

I've run into an issue with Brave Fencer Musashi where, when I use gunshot, he doesn't stop shooting no matter what I press. Is that a bug with the core or is it user error lol?

[serene nebula]

I mean this with completely respect but it is likely user error. Not that bugs aren’t possible but that’s a high profile game and would’ve been found by now.

Maybe rapid fire is on?

[hallow phoenix]

Unless there's a setting I'm unaware of then no. I'm using a blisster with an original dual shock. I just tried again and, after I press O, no inputs are read until I run out of BP (bullets).

[serene nebula]

Wow so odd

[hallow phoenix]

I also tried with an N64 controller and still got the same issue. And I don't have similar issues with any other game I've tried.

[serene nebula]

Gunshot one of the first powers you get, right?

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah. It's right at the beginning.

[serene nebula]

Ok just tried it. Using a wireless N64 controller and didn’t run into that issue

[manic citrus]

classic case of a haunted controller

[hallow phoenix]

I tried a different build of the core and still no luck. I'm wondering if there's an issue with the game file, itself. Gonna try to replace it and see if that fixes the issue.

[serene nebula]

Hope that works!

[hallow phoenix]

Thank you! And thanks for helping me troubleshoot. ...I went to try it on original hardware only to find that my PSX stopped working. lol maybe the universe just doesn't want me to play this game no matter what.

[serene nebula]

Oh man that sucks, I’m sorry to hear! On the plus side, you have this new core to play your games.

[hallow phoenix]

That actually fixed the problem!

[serene nebula]

Great!

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah - Perfect timing for the PSX to fail, since I just got my Mister lol

[ivory verge]

Are you using core specifically for LLAPI (Blisster ) ?

https://github.com/MiSTer-LLAPI/PSX_MiSTer/tree/main/releases

[hallow phoenix]

I am. Thanks for the link!

[ivory verge]

the latest psx core for LLAPI is quite old 🙂

20221011

latest official psx core is 20230503

[stable perch]

This kind of lag can happen with unofficial cores

[ivory verge]

Yes, I'm far from using non-official add-ons or core

[hallow phoenix]

I'll give it a try. Might still be worth it on a case by case basis.

[lapis tide]

Does the new release correct gran turismo replay?

[ivory verge]

There is no new release

For correct replays use turbo high or psx x2 core for now

[lapis tide]

OK

[meager parrot]

@ivory verge I tried with real dualshock via SNAC and the rumble is completely different than with a DS4. No constant rumble, only for impacts with other cars, environment and simulated terrain transfers to like offroad/curbs

it feels great with snac, and seemingly broken with a standard DS4 when vibration is turned on in the menu

@tropic stratus possible this is a recent occurrence with how rumble support has changed in main since N64 rumble has been introduced? I havent used rumble in the ps1 core much so it could be just the same its been for a while. I'm using the latest mister unstable from 10/1

the rumble when using DS4 via usb feels like it is constantly using the max-force "impact" effect thats observed when playing with a dualshock 1 via SNAC

[manic citrus]

nothing changed in main regarding rumble

[tropic stratus]

could be that the game uses a base rumble value that makes the ds4 trigger already, but would not trigger the old ds1?

best would be to compile a test version that prints out rumble values instead of fps

but snac gets the same values by the game as USB controllers, so i'm not sure what the reason is

[abstract drift]

i've noticed something like this

there seems to be some subtlety missing from the usb rumble that is present on snac

[ivory verge]

thanks for checking, there is definitely something wrong

[abstract drift]

its hard to describe exactly

[manic citrus]

remember there's a whole driver layer between 'psx rumble' -> 'your usb controller'

[abstract drift]

yeah

and its entirely different motors, voltages etc

[ivory verge]

for me the strangest thing is , when vibration for psx core appeared we all tested it , I don't recall anyone reporting such a problem then , and a lot of people tested Gran Turismo

but memory plays tricks

[meager parrot]

yep, for sure someone would have reported this before, it feels very off. thats why i suspected it may be a recent change

especially with a controller as popular/common as DS4

[unborn compass]

This is not a recent thing. I remember experiencing this when rumble had just been implemented.

I was comparing it to my PSOne at the time.

My hands were numb at the end of a single race.

#psx-chat message

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-shook-anxious-uhh-umm-gif-10678193

after GT race

[manic citrus]

the psx/ps2 controllers also use higher voltages

I think the rumble motors are 7.6V? maybe 9?

the usb ones are probably 3-4V?

you're not going to replicate the same feel

[ivory verge]

i can try on PSX

[unborn compass]

True, you won't be able to match the strength and probably the little details. But something is way off in GT1.

[ivory verge]

GT2 is better in this regard

vibrations are not as strongly felt while driving

[unborn compass]

I have a Retrocastle SNAX which provides the correct dual shock voltage, so that would also be good for some extra testing.

[meager parrot]

getting the same feel exactly isn't really the issue or expected given the differences in modern rumble in controllers vs Dualshock 1. The main issue is that it rumbles uncontrollably throughout entire races when the stock controller would not be rumbling at all. rumble is pretty subtle in the game and there is no constant effect, as is present with DS4 vis USB

rumble increases as you hold down the gas button which isnt the original behavior, and even continues to rumble to a lesser degree when the car is completely stopped on flat road surfaces

there is no actual effect as seen in the game with original controller, no impact rumble differences or terrain/curb indication rumbles

[meager parrot]

i used misteraddons snax which also has the correct voltages. night and day difference

[manic citrus]

I guess the other question is how fast can a psx game actually update the rumble config? is it once per frame or can(and/or does) it happen multiple times a frame?

[still palm]

is it all games or just Turismo? Padtest lets you test the 2 motors independently.

Feel like this problem might have came up before.

like maybe turismo doesn't set the motor to 0 or something. and whatever value they rest at doesn't make the DS1 rumble but does make the usb controller rumble trhough whatever driver.

which is why I was wondering if it's game specific

[abstract drift]

its a shame the psx padtest can only test rumble on/off

[meager parrot]

Whats another good one to test for rumble? I recall it working perfectly fine when I recorded my chrono cross videos earlier this year

[still palm]

did you try the padtest rom? you press R3 or L3 to activate each motor.

what turismo might be doing is it might always have some rumble in game like engine rumble or whatever and the usb driver is messing things up like detecting any value as ok now rumble full power.

[manic citrus]

the padtest is only fully on/off so it's not that helpful here. really need a padtest that lets you ramp the rumble values up and down

[meager parrot]

i dont notice any engine rumble with dualshock 1 connected with voltage-correct SNAX, completely still when driving on roads or fully stopped

[manic citrus]

it doesn't mean the rumble value is absolute zero though, it could be something that's low enough to not cause any noticable rumble on a real controller, but due to the various differences causes rumble on usb through mister

[abstract drift]

almost like we have the wrong rumble "deadzone" or something

[meager parrot]

good point

if it is some weird rumble deadzone situation, its far enough out of whack that it completely nullifies the game's original/intended effects completely. you dont feel them at all

[still palm]

I had to look up how rumble worked again. https://psx-spx.consoledev.net/controllersandmemorycards/#controllers-rumble-configuration

no answers for you though, it does mention a couple games that use uncommon sequences. maybe try those.

[meager parrot]

ah okay i still have FFVIII on my sd card, will try that tomorrow. i remember rumble working correctly in that last i tried also

[manic citrus]

also maybe try duckstation

duckstation applies both a configurable bias, and a curve adjustment to the rumble values

    const double x = static_cast<double>(std::min<u32>(state + static_cast<u32>(m_rumble_bias), 255));
    const double strength = 0.006474549734772402 * std::pow(x, 3.0) - 1.258165252213538 * std::pow(x, 2.0) +
                            156.82454281087692 * x + 3.637978807091713e-11;

the best part is it has a comment 'curve from <url>'

and the url is just some controller input plugin for multiple emulators

that just...uses that math with no explanation

so yeah, it's not just using the straight rumble values. let me try that, actually

[still palm]

might be worth seeing what value turismo gives.

looks like there is some deadzone code in the core https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/blob/main/rtl/joypad_pad.vhd#L239

[dusky marten]

-- strong motor: "The Left/Large motor starts spinning at circa min=50h..60h, and, once when started keeps spinning downto circa min=38h"

[manic citrus]

does that path mess with SNAC values too?

[still palm]

no only usb.

[manic citrus]

also looking at that code, 'no rumble under 38h' isn't quite right, you have to delay when it ramp up from zero to 50h

[still palm]

so rereading what he said "there is no actual effect as seen in the game with original controller, no impact rumble differences or terrain/curb indication rumbles"

that made me think the values are wrong or something likes alwys FF. but snac worked fine.

[bitter lintel]

archimedes was the original inventor of controller rumble

[somber steppe]

Is there a setting for the psx core that maps the dpad to the stick like in the n64 core? Would be usefull if a game doesn't support a dualshock controller but you want to control it with stick1 anyway.

[abstract drift]

if you set the controller to digital, then that just happens

sort of an easter egg feature

[somber steppe]

Thanks a lot!

[near lance]

Trying to run SOTN randomizer, but even with correctly named cue and bin it wont start, any1 got it working?

[ivory verge]

Several people here finished game with the randomizer, so it works for sure

[near lance]

well...I give up...I think its the randomizer or rom dump that breaks for me somehow

[azure reef]

Don't give up so easily

make sure you are using this version of the game, most likely "Castlevania - Symphony of the Night (USA)" Redump verified

are you using the redump verified image?

next, where is the randomizer and how are you doing it?

gotta figure out the best way to do it. I see one on github and one on some website that does it for you

actually I see two githubs

[near lance]

https://sotn.io/ and Myrient Redump bin

bin/cue works in duckstation

[azure reef]

well if the game works it doesn't mean it is redump verified

so it can cause patching issues if its not

but if you got it from a trustworthy redump labeled set, its likely fine

the Castlevania - Symphony of the Night (USA).zip file should have a CRC32 of 07C73E16

you could also try that webpage outputting as ppf and applying the patch yourself manually

I never tried SOTN randomizer so I am just giving recommendations here. I can try it later if you want and test it on my MiSTer

[spring elk]

Redump uses Myrient to host their files.

[azure reef]

oh, I'm not familiar with that

I just scan my sets with the dat files

but good to know ill check it out

[tiny mauve]

Hello. I am running the Mister with dual ram. are there any settings on the PSX core that will take advantage of the dual sticks?

[ivory verge]

Not really 🙂

Nothing that can be heard or seen

[tiny mauve]

What is SPU RAM select and why would it be greyed out?

[ivory verge]

Do you have a dualsdram core?

The latest dualsdram core is from march

Spu ram for dualsdram- more accurate audio , but the human ear will not hear the difference

[tiny mauve]

im not sure. If Update all doesnt grab it, probably not. Can I grab it from Github?

[ivory verge]

There is no dualsdram version in official distribution

It's only test core

Here is the latest #test-builds message

[tiny mauve]

Thank you. Is it the same as the current PSX build or is it missing stuff?

[ivory verge]

Yes

Same

[tiny mauve]

ok Thank you!

[near lance]

Got it working, my bin file was the culprit..thx

[final salmon]

Remembering everything this core can do, got to listen to some PCEngine Y's soundtrack this morning. Love it! Visualisers and everything, fully transported back in time

[ivory verge]

I think the same problem that is present in RE2 is also present in RE1

[mortal oracle]

That PS1 CD playing screen reminded me of this song that came on my demo disc when I got my PS1 - https://youtu.be/37s3XC3gaCw

[tropic stratus]

i see the zombies are still there, that's disappointing 😦

no, honestly, can you mark it? i can see a banding in the wall next the stairs, but it's not square shaped?

[ivory verge]

These are the lighter areas of squares, rhomboids, which should be a solid color

[tropic stratus]

so it seems in this case it's not a clear area?

like 16x16 pixels

[ivory verge]

It's very visible here

[tropic stratus]

ah yes, i can see this

even different color

[ivory verge]

Yes 🙂

[tropic stratus]

so to fix this: one would need to capture all mdec commands executed for decoding this area in a emulator then write a testrom that will send these to the mdec and execute it on a real psx and emulator, than compare pixel by pixel

this will not tell instantly why it fails, but at least it would be a way to play around with different roundings to see which direction it needs

i would assume it takes about 2 weeks to write such a test?

not sure how much data it will be, if it's fits in a exe or if it has to be read via CD commands

we have a github entry for it?

[ivory verge]

for RE2 yes

it;s same bug

[tropic stratus]

ok, will add this there. i won't have time soon, but this would be a nice project. the mdec in the core works well and stable in most instances so research on it is not that bad

[ivory verge]

i have absolutely no expectation of fixing this bug , it is not a nuisance and it is not in all places

I wasn't looking for it specifically , I just noticed it today while comparing the psx version with the saturn

I finished this game many times on core , but the purpose was to test stability, I did not even pay attention to it

it's a small thing

[tropic stratus]

it could influence other games also. Especially in 16bit color mode it makes sense to fix it, as 1 bit difference with only 32 intensities per channel is recognizeable. Probably not so much in movement, that's why noone has seen it in FMVs yet

also it would be nice to have a test to prove the mdec is really hardware accurate 🙂

[ivory verge]

for comaprison

proper look

[still palm]

That game puts a mask on top of the background. Say the zombie was around the corner, you would see him on top of the BG if they didn't have that mask. Almost sure that's what you see here since you marked spots that have corners.

[still palm]

see if anything looks funny in this room. that's where the masks are

[ivory verge]

nope looks perfectly fine

[harsh shale]

Why do I have this visual glitch?

[tropic stratus]

480p hack?

[knotty oasis]

it be cool if there was a way to make it 480p for us Multiformat crt lovers 😏

[harsh shale]

That did it, am I supposed to leave it off?

[cloud steppe]

I think it's best for certain games. Not most games though. Like Tekken 3 is a good use case I believe

I leave it off most of the time

[harsh shale]

good to know

Thank you

[cloud steppe]

I'm sure others can provide a more extensive list of good use cases for it too.

[tropic stratus]

only use it for games where it's really needed and working. It's a hack and will not work everywhere

[harsh shale]

makes sense

[verbal geode]

question, say hypothetically someone were going to try and grab a set of PAL or NTSC psx games

is there a better version to get

is it the case that it's better to use NTSC if you're using a 60hz hdtv and pal if you're connecting it to a european crt

and is it the case that pal provides a higher resolution but lower framerate on psx?

[abstract drift]

NTSC is nearly always just better, because of the higher hz

pal games only rarely even use the higher resolution (often just have borders)

most european crts will handle 60hz anyway

[verbal geode]

okay awesome

thanks a lot

[dawn wind]

I don’t even think most games were correctly ported to PAL. They just ran slower and letterboxed (I think Psygnosis being European was the exception)

[fluid condor]

I don't know if it's the same issue but I've brought up the mdec inaccuracy to you awhile ago

#1046940919607345272 message

You made this really cool comparison of real hw vs mister vs duckstation

I'd love love to see pixel accurate mdec 😀

[tropic stratus]

ah yes, we already have test that could be worked on 🙂

[ivory verge]

I played a little yesterday on psx and core , I can't perfectly take the same picture , but the difference is there

this is just for comparison purposes

[ember cedar]

You know what's funny, I know a really big RE fan and he pointed out this kind of issue a long time ago and people here said it was because of shadowmasks or something like that

#1046940919607345272 message

[bronze pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJCywGxHRzE

[ivory verge]

That's right, I remember this and the topic came back with RE2 and this error, we analyzed it again and clearly it is a bug

I also looked for this error in other places

In RE3 I did not notice it , but I found it in many areas in RE1

Probably earlier someone checked it on emulator not on real psx , in duckstation this also occurs

[cosmic tulip]

I think that was me
I double checked in mednafen as well where it doesnt occur but was told mdec is doing something wrong there as well but different

[abstract drift]

yeah i think we were surprised because duckstation seems to have the same bug

that was kind of used as reference a lot

[ivory verge]

I'm surprised that we all didn't notice this earlier 🙂

[tropic stratus]

mednafen also doesn't reproduce the testrom correctly, yes. It rounds different to duckstation/psx core, but also wrong

keep in mind that the mdec has at least 5 places where the bidwidth/rounding is not known

[scenic reef]

Wipeout 3: Special Edition is kinda considered the best of the PSX wipeout games, and it's a PAL exclusive version.

[verbal geode]

yeah I mean in examples where pal and ntsc both exist

apart from a few edge cases, as a general rule if I need space shall I keep the US versions?

even though I'm from Europe

[scenic reef]

yeah personally I would always default to NTSC if I had both options because most games didn't take advantage of the extra resolution from what I've seen, and the framerate is higher

unless you game primarily on a PAL-only CRT or something

[verbal geode]

yeah that's the thing.. I really don't know

I am about to get my mister, gets delivered in 2 days

and as of right now the only crts I have are old af 10 inch crts at my wife's cabin

ancient ones

and it's possible they are pal only. but even if they are I need to free up this space really, maybe I could just keep pal games for some multiplayer classics that are bound for the reload

[slow tusk]

Sounds like you need more CRTs in your life, honestly.

[verbal geode]

yeah I probably do, the problem is I have an 80 inch 120hz oled

I have ruined myself

maybe if I go to a different room I can enjoy a little shrek crt or something but I can't put a small screen next to a behemoth screen and not feel like it's a waste

[valid jolt]

Could always use it on the OLED directly, I think there are modelines to do up to 1440p in 4:3? or the 240p 120hz hack

[verbal geode]

even my desktop I have a 28" 165hz 1440p and a 43" LED as my second monitor

yeah I intend to just run on the oled tbh

I am not that much of a latency worrier

but yeah I will also be playing it in my wife's cabin because it's comfy af

on those little crts

for me crt is more of a vibe, I can't see myself getting a PVM and pretending I would prefer that to just a giant room size screen but I like it as a little nostalgia machine to go back in time for a bit

[serene nebula]

I have a PVM and it’s great for flexing on people but I’m with you. I just use my old CRT instead.

[shut escarp]

don't you mean oled

i know your game

[fallow turtle]

Wipeout is another one by UK developers Psygnosis. that always confuses me on which would be the more 'correct' version between NTSC and PAL 🤔

[serene nebula]

PAL stands for “Poor Analog Lideo”. The British spell video with an L incase you didn’t know.

[bronze pulsar]

"Pathetic Analog Lines"

[silent bridge]

(Wish I could say I didn’t have to deal with PAL and SECAM as a kid but I did…)

[ruby sleet]

"What is a PAL?! A miserable pile of refresh."

[bronze pulsar]

"The same could be said of all 50hz formats.."

[spring elk]

PAL is only desirable with C64... because that's what the vast majority of demos require.

It's a necessary evil.

[serene nebula]

PAL don’t bother me

[spring elk]

I'm not your PAL, buddy.

So, are you having fun?

[serene nebula]

like right now? Yeah, you’re funny. Thanks for the laughs, friend.

[forest trench]

Colin McRae Rally 2.0 PAL is better than NTSC

[foggy quiver]

And Amiga

[spring elk]

I meant on your vacation.

[sand minnow]

Brazil is an odd one. 60 Hz PAL.

[storm barn]

Same res as NTSC though.

[ivory verge]

I play only PAL versions on PSX and have no problem with it

NTSC only games that have not been released in Europe

[bitter lintel]

hm. congrats. you earn...

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-this-is-white-sniff-white-wine-gif-9530668

the gif of white

white wine takes advantage of the extra flavorful berries

[quick gyro]

There is also Crash Bandicoot 1 where a YT Video exists where the PAL Version has better ColoUrs 🙂
https://youtu.be/q_QX6UGiGtE?si=nieFRWhDwNxY-1Eo
Not Sure if this is 100% true though

They managed to port it very very well though.

[ivory verge]

yeah , crash in PAL runs at25fps

but Crash movement speed has been increased

they handled it well

[serene nebula]

Everything good? Anything I can do for anyone?

[ivory verge]

yeahhhhh

[tropic stratus]

finally the last message every time i check the channel doesn't have crash inside and my blood pressure stays low 🙂

[ivory verge]

Robby 🍻

[ivory verge]

all good with PSX core 🙂

no emeregency situations hehe

[fallow prairie]

Still the best way on the planet to play PSX games

[tropic stratus]

psx github is more active recently, but you handled some of them already and checked, thank you!

[ivory verge]

at your service 🙂

[somber steppe]

I wasn't planning to, but now I'll get a separate controller just for the psx core. It's just a bluetooth mod of the original digital pad but still really nostalgic.

[serene nebula]

Is it the 8BitDo one? I have it and it’s great!

[somber steppe]

Yeah that one. Also contacted them to make a kit with hall sticks for the dualshock 1+2. Feels like I tell them a lot of things these days. 😄

[fallow prairie]

how new is the psx kit?

[abstract drift]

ancient, i nearly bought one like 4 years ago

[fallow prairie]

i just was wondering if there was going to be any pattern with latency and the modkits

like maybe the same person programming them

and hopefully doing a good job

[eternal briar]

Two questions. 1. Is symphony of the night supposed to be letterboxed? I'm playing on a CRT and it is but I wasn't sure if this was a weird core beta thing, a settings problem, or if it's always been like this (never played it on a real PlayStation) and 2. What setting stops the resolution from popping up anytime it changes in the top left corner?

[tough zealot]

are you playing the PAL version? we always seemed to get squished games in the UK.

[eternal briar]

nope NTSC

[tough zealot]

it looks like there is a border on the longplay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnhPNS0rqM

[eternal briar]

Yeah i just noticed its not in the title screen just the game which makes me think that it is normal? Like maybe they were going for a cinematic look?

[fallow prairie]

it is normal, the core is far from beta, and mister ini!

video_info - Number of seconds that it will display the video info in the top left corner of the screen whenever the resolution or frequency has changed.

[ivory verge]

; set to 1-10 (seconds) to display video info on startup/change
video_info=0

[eternal briar]

Thanks! I never cared about it before until I started playing ps2 and realize how often the games change resolutions sometimes lol

[runic edge]

Anyone else noticed something wrong with the way True Pinball displays?

I'm playing on a crt

The dotmatrix on the top looks sharp

But the playfield becomes blurry.

[burnt gorge]

Is there any compatibility list yet ?

[shut escarp]

everything but matt hoffman bmx

[fallow prairie]

*dave mirra

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues

[shut escarp]

yeah that one

[pale sigil]

hi there - I'm trying to use a GunCon 2 with the PSX core without luck. is there a general set of instructions to use it? thanks 🙂

[rose ermine]

Making sure that you've got it connected correctly? Yellow plug getting sync from somewhere, yes?

First thing after you're sure it's all hooked up correctly is to make sure you've assigned the controller. You can do that in the main mister menu, then you can adjust the buttons specifically in the psx core if need be.

You then need to calibrate it by opening the mister menu and pressing f10 on a keyboard. Best to do this on a bright background whilst in the core itself, like the white screen of the 240p test suite. Be careful because fixed hblank and vblank can cause issues, so turn those off if possible.

You calibrate it by shooting at the very edges of the screen. It should flash up which edge it wants you to shoot. Be very mindful of the position, if you go too far out it won't work. Basically try to get the value to the most extreme you can before it zeroes out.

Once you've done that, make sure the controller is set to guncon or justifier (depending on the game) and have fun. Be aware that the guncon 2 can have issues with darker games/scenes because it isn't clued in to the on screen flash like a guncon through snac is. An example where this is a problem is the end of area 2 of the second stage of time crisis. It's dark and shots simply won't register, unlike a guncon hooked up via snac which works as it should

[pale sigil]

Thank you for the thorough response - it works! I noticed that about the dark stages. As convenient as the GunCon 2 is, perhaps its worth having a GunCon 1 over SNAC for that reason.

[nimble pond]

Hey folks

There's a 1TB microsd selling for $70 on amazon, lexar

Would that work well with mister psx?

Anyone tried that brand for the switch or mister cd cores?

[oblique frost]

"lexae" ? or "lexar" ?

lexar is probably fine, lexae sounds like a knockoff brand

[nimble pond]

Typo

[oblique frost]

lexar is a dece brand, it'll probably work fine

[nimble pond]

But I need more than probably, I was hoping for factual experience

[somber steppe]

I only have experience with the pny 1tb, worked fine in my switch for a couple of years. But definitely look up reviews for 1tb cards, there are more fake ones then genuine.

[surreal raft]

idk about now and day but i know when i was looking for one recently the steamdeck said lexar cards were slightly thicker and caused issues with the sd slot, not sure how it would be with the mister if it was still the case

[tawny palm]

Seeing talk of them gun games. That makes me ponder the question, is there any way at all to actually play lightgun games on a MiSTer using an OLED TV? I assume not, but I have no idea if any new ways of getting them to work has come around in recent years since I gave up on them ages ago.

[ivory verge]

maybe the solution is Sinden or gun4ir ?

there have been some topics here, but I have never looked into them

I tried the wii remote 🙂

[tawny palm]

Yeah, I just read a review of the Sinden, but it said that it's not compatible with MiSTer currently.

It would be a dream come true if there was a simple lightgun solution for MiSTer on modern TVs. I just don't see myself ever owning a CRT again. It's been too long, and I don't have the space.

[harsh shale]

Is the guncon not simple?

Are you not entertained?

[simple oracle]

Something is wrong with the music here. WARNING: LOUD

is this a rom issue or a core issue

[harsh shale]

I assume it's confirmed not on original hardware?

[ivory verge]

this happens every time?

[simple oracle]

happens every time I enter a battle in this specific area

[somber steppe]

I never heard that playing on og hardware. Thats horrifying!

[ivory verge]

please do savestate we will compare

default options ? (no turbo, cd speed hack etc. )

no cheats ?

[simple oracle]

I'm using this specific rom hack though https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=19709
maybe it has something to do with it

though it's confirmed to work on real hardware

[ivory verge]

it's hard for me to comment on the hack , there can always be a bug , I know that such a thing has never happened yet in the normal version of the game

[abstract drift]

have you reported this anywhere before? i have deja vu

[simple oracle]

no I didn't

[abstract drift]

hm

[simple oracle]

I'll check with the original rom if this happens there too

[abstract drift]

can you load the same save on a plain rom ?

yeah please do

i have a feeling this is only in that romhack

[simple oracle]

thankfully the saves are compatible lol

[simple oracle]

okay, I loaded the save with an original rom and the issue didn't occur

so it must be a rom issue

though I wonder if this specific behaviour happens on real hardware as well

[ivory verge]

I went through the list of bugs that were reported for this patch and it is a huge modification , many things can happen

[simple oracle]

yeah that's true

[rose ermine]

You can get sinden working with mister, but it's a pain in the ass and doesn't work very well.

Tl;dr you use the guncon conversion. You'll need an RPi, an arduino micro for each gun you want to use and somrthingto draw a border. There's a pre configured image for the Pi and sketches for the arduinos. You then plug the guns into the Pi, wire up the arduinos to the correct GPIO pins on the Pi and then plug the arduinos into the mister. Then output the mister to something that can draw a border or use white leds around the border of your screen and it'll work like a guncon 2 except it doesn't feel great

Gun4IR works alot better and if you can find the parts to make one yourself, isn't too expensive (at least that was the case when I built it pre pandemic, not sure if the prices have gone nuts since then)

[eternal vapor]

I played through this same hack like a year or so ago and didn't have this issue 🤔

I did get some crashes in the late game materia caves though

But since the saves are compatible I just switched to the unpatched version to get those

I wonder if fast boot could affect it?

[kind ravine]

Guncon3 is the simple/cheap solution for mister and modern TVs. It’s not perfect, it’s like Wii mote tech, but it works well enough and is plug and play.

[ruby sleet]

I've had a Sinden since the first batch, and I've always found it to be a frustrating experience. Even when using a pre-made RPi image.

[nimble pond]

I am of the opinion that the guncon3 is horrendous and should be avoided

There's only 2 acceptable solutions from my point of view

Either get a crt

Or spend ridiculous amounts of money on the gun4air which I think works on the mister. The sinden does not but you could go that route + real consoles

[kind ravine]

For the price and ease of use I think it’s a fine option.

[tawny palm]

Do Justifier games work with the Guncon 3 on MiSTer?

[mystic flare]

yeah you just adjust the controller options on the osd

[verbal geode]

what's the name of the psx core? scph100?

[full nimbus]

PSX

[tulip moat]

https://vxtwitter.com/acediez/status/1713433706407326195?t=hh-GAnqEZcYjICjQ0pR8IQ&s=19

Looking forward to this translation patch being released

[stone ore]

Hey all. Perhaps a strange question, is there an option of controller profiles? I know it’s more of an emulation thing, but on ace combat 2 for example, I’d like to use r2 for thrust, not r1, but the game doesn’t allow for this. So thought I could have a separate profile for said game(s)

[somber steppe]

I think per game controller bindings are something that's lacking from mister.

[stone ore]

Agree, when using SNAC I can understand it, but any other controller, a per game option would be excellent. Perhaps it’s very hard to implement, I’m sure there’s a technical reason

[mossy wind]

this is the retranslation right

think only that version has the issue. i ran into that too ages ago

ah ye i didnt read further on. i only ran into the problem on this version

i just considered it vincents gift to my ears

[crisp ether]

wonder if analog button support for NeGcon might get looked at again once there is support in main for the saturn 3d control pad

would be real nice to have I and II mapped to analog triggers on a modern pad

[abstract drift]

yeah i hope so that'd be really cool

[crisp ether]

the current system is a very solid workaround, and the 100%-on maps on the face buttons is a fabulous bonus and ideal for some games on its own, but with analog button support you could map those games to a modern control style with full analog support, which would be ideal for most, i think

[somber steppe]

Does anybody know a good source for psx button membranes? The non-dualshock kind.

[mystic flare]

actually no, and I have looked

the only tip I can offer is about restoring your old membrains

I'll put it in #controllers

[lilac crystal]

got one of those cheap PSX SNAC adapters off amazon and it’s not doing anything with SNAC enabled in the core 😵‍💫 (the analog indicator on my dualshock 2 does light up) anything else i could troubleshoot before i return it and get the one from ultimatemister instead?

[tacit fox]

Analog indicator on the controller means the core was able to communicate with it

[lilac crystal]

it lights up even on the MiSTer home screen with no core loaded, is that a red flag maybe?

i have that controller driver for the N64 NSO pad installed + i’m on the latest unstable main, could that be a factor?

[serene nebula]

Maybe? Try testing on latest stable for both.

[ivory verge]

it's worth checking the settings on the i/o board to see if there is a jumper on 3.3 or 5v

I had this problem once, it turned out the cable is not ok

but I'm not a snac expert

[tacit fox]

Now that’s weird 🤔

Is the controller confirmed working elsewhere?

[lilac crystal]

it’s a dualshock 2 and it works on my PS2 yeah

i checked my IO board and it seems to be a revision without the 3.3/5v jumper

i have not tested any other SNAC hardware on my MiSTer

[tacit fox]

Maybe @still palm knows what it could be

[lilac crystal]

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BHVRQGTS?psc=1 this is the adapter i got, to clarify. has no reviews and seller reviews are pretty mediocre, so it could simply be a faulty unit

i booted up ape escape and it said there was no controller plugged in, even with the analog indicator lit up

[ivory verge]

did you check without cable ?

connect snac directly , rule out a faulty usb 3.0 cable 🙂

[still palm]

check if the p7 header of io board is populated also. red light just means it's being powered and it's in analog mode. Some games won't work in this mode but Ape should have.

[lilac crystal]

i did, same result!

[marsh scroll]

I have same adapter mine works great

[nimble pond]

Hey fellas

Anyone tried dual ram with 128 + 32MB sticks?

[ivory verge]

Yes , works fine

I started with 32 + 32 🙂

[lilac crystal]

are you on stable or unstable main?

[ivory verge]

It does not matter, there were no changes

[marsh scroll]

Stable

[lilac crystal]

if that’s the case then the main suspect would have to be my IO board, gonna have to do some more digging when i get home

[ivory verge]

I have the same snac project and it works fine, I am 99% of the time on unstable

[lilac crystal]

at this point i’m 99% sure i have one of those older 6.0 IO boards, all the documentation i’m seeing for similar PSX SNAC adapters says they require 6.1 (with the p7 header populated like blue mentioned.) glad the adapter wasn’t the issue seemingly but now i gotta pony up another 40 bucks 😵‍💫

[still palm]

psx controller can work on a 6.0 io board. the selectable 7th io on 6.1 is only used for light guns on psx. The p7 header is here for reference

easiest thing to try would be a different controller but you should check if there's pins in p7, nothing will work without those.

[lilac crystal]

thank you 🙏 will check in a sec

[stray narwhal]

..

[lilac crystal]

this is what mine looks like, i know nothing about soldering to boards but i’m guessing i’m SOL?

[still palm]

yeah should look like this, figured that's what the problem was. If you know someone who solders or a place locally they could probably do it. without those pins snac or mt32pi won't work sorry.

[lilac crystal]

that's unfortunate, thanks for the help though, now i know what to look into 🙏

[tawny palm]

I'm having so much fun playing Point Blank with my newly aquired guncon 3. I'm astonished by how well that thing works. Even turning off the on-screen crosshairs, I'm still landing all my hits unless I clearly missed the mark.

[serene nebula]

That’s awesome! Being able to play these lightgun games again rather easily is such a wonderful treasure.

[tawny palm]

Seriously! I'm hating myself for not buying one sooner!

[cloud steppe]

Its great. Looking forward to using it for Virtua Cop 1 and 2

And even that janky HotD port

[tawny palm]

Yeah, guncon support can't arrive soon enough for Saturn.

[rare gyro]

yeah, by that point I think it should be feature complete

[torn python]

I received my GunCon2 a few weeks ago but I still don't have my cable to connect my MiSTer to the CRT 😭

[mystic flare]

continuing my unholy experiments. tomb raider on ps1 controlled with a n64 pad.

if you config it just right, and put all the texture filter on it looks like a lost n64 port

[shut escarp]

do you know about using RCA splitters and an RCA extension cable to accomplish it?

[torn python]

I haven't put much thought into making it work with the MiSTer actually hehe. I was more focused on getting the MiSTer working with my CRT first

[abstract drift]

you can use these things if you're using scart:

search scart-breakout

[torn python]

I'll eventually be using svideo

I'll have to ask again at that time though. I might be several more months at that

[shut escarp]

I believe even if you're using S-video, you can use the composite plug on the YC adapter

if not, you can get one of porkchops little adapters

[crimson steeple]

.3

[mystic flare]

does that mean the sync signal is sent on the composite line?

[lilac crystal]

got what i believe to be the right header pins and inserted them loosely to test (i’ve read reports of people doing this before soldering,) but SNAC is still not working. would soldering them on make a difference?

https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B078KF458R?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image the pins in question

[full nimbus]

push fit is no guarantee of a electrical connection

you also dont have them fitted correctly

The pins on mine have no black suround

[lilac crystal]

what’s the correct way to do it?

[lilac crystal]

i’ve seen people do it with the black plastic still on

[full nimbus]

well it will probbaly work

did yopu check pin 9 ?

its over my the big black connector

that one is important too

[lilac crystal]

thanks for the tip, will check in a sec

[full nimbus]

make sure those pins can reach into the socket

you may need to put them with the black plastic facing the bottom of the board

is pin 9

Ali express boards are so poorly made

[lilac crystal]

pin 9 was missing as well, inserted one (plastic on top) and still no dice

i did push the pins down far enough to touch the DE10

[full nimbus]

if you insert the pins into the de10 with it off

and then place the IO board on top do they reach

make sure its OFF !!!!

[lilac crystal]

need to step out in a sec but will test this further when i got home, until you said this i didn't fully understand how the pins connect to the DE10

might have to remove the plastic after all, thanks for the help so far!

[full nimbus]

np

[serene nebula]

We should really do PSAs to encourage people to only purchase from reputable vendors.

[full nimbus]

Its such a shame as well, the cost of those pins is negligible, so why the hell the Chinese knock them out with them missing is beyond me

[serene nebula]

What’s also a shame is that we bear the brunt of their shoddy quality through free tech support.

[full nimbus]

the problem is the board semi works until someone wants snac or Mt32 Pi and then finds it broken

[serene nebula]

You get what you pay for.

[spring elk]

...of which Robby absolutely does not receive a kick-back from. 😏

[fallow prairie]

"have you asked your vendor?"

[mystic flare]

hey guys, it's ya boi Jælius! and this video was bought to you by wish.com your 1-stop shop for your MiSTer needs.

we've got all the manual welding you can shake a stick at

[serene nebula]

It's actually a really good point and one I try to be cognescente of. For example I'm friends with Porkchop from MisterAddons so everytime I recommend him I need to be aware of that bias and call it out so people are aware and can make their own decisions.

[full nimbus]

Robby's Trip to Mr AddOns World in Florida was purely coincidental 🙂

[spring elk]

I completely understand that position, and that is admirable. However, all things being equal (reputation/quality-wise), if someone is US-based, I would have no qualms whatsoever in recommending MiSTer Addons as the 'best' option for that person. If someone resides outside of the US, I would almost certainly recommend someone else.

[fallow prairie]

we are lucky in that a lot of sellers in our community are also designing hardware and deeply care abot doing it right

and i think porkchop has earned a recommendation based on community contributions alone

[spring elk]

He's okay... 😉

[fallow prairie]

also he has some sort of brady bunch situation happening and those kids gotta eat

[full nimbus]

well what else is there to do in Idaho

[fallow prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/grumbl-krumplika-krumpli-fidesz-potato-gif-15381844

[lilac crystal]

fully removed the plastic and then started with the pins in the DE10 sockets and they come out the other end fine — but my SNAC adapter still won’t work 😵‍💫

[empty yacht]

does the controller itself work?

[lilac crystal]

i suppose i could go ahead and see if soldering them on will do the trick but at this rate there’s so much room for error i might as well get a new IO board

[lilac crystal]

it does, tested it on my PS2

and the analog indicator lights up, so it is receiving power

[full nimbus]

@lilac crystal I assume you have set Snac in the core ?

ie set the controller to snac port

[lilac crystal]

i have, yeah

[amber horizon]

blah, you sound determined too (which id say is a great opportunity to get a cheap soldering iron and try your hand at soldering those headers on.

its honestly not as complicated as youre thinking. go to home depot, get a cheapy 15$ soldering gun, some of their solder they have on hand, and some flux,which is also probably at home depot, and watch a couple youtubes on how to solder.

itsa skill you will absolutely use later on down the road (and possibly teach other people)

[plain phoenix]

But if a bump but are you sure a ds2 works with the adapter? It might only work with a dualshock1 being a ps1 core.

[lilac crystal]

i was pretty on board with the idea but the fact the pins didn’t seem to do anything on their own has me really skeptical it’ll work after i solder them in 😵‍💫 saw at least one thread of one person trying the same method (i.e. only loosely inserting the pins to test) and it worked for them

[lilac crystal]

i’d be very surprised if that were the issue (PS2 accessories tend to work on PS1) but i can’t say i’ve tested it rigorously

[meager parrot]

dualshock 2 works fine with snac on the core, just like on a real playstation

[serene nebula]

The greatest option screen for any PS1 game

[runic edge]

What game that?

[lilac scaffold]

Sentient

[runic edge]

Never heard of it!

I'll try it out later and it had better be good😠

[ivory verge]

This game is certainly specific

It hasn't aged well

But I think it's worth playing

[lilac scaffold]

Does setting disease spread to easy make the disease spread less easily?

[runic edge]

Of course not! It makes it easier to spread.

[lilac scaffold]

https://youtu.be/wX1x7pfH8fw

[silent bridge]

Suikoden fans: I didn’t really like the first one (played about 10 hours and got a bit tired of it), is the second one an improvement or just more of the same?

[serene nebula]

I dunno but people lose their minds over it

[silent bridge]

That’s what I’ve been hearing but never took the time to play the first (which people say you get memory card references in the second game made me want to play the first one first)

[serene nebula]

There’s a remake coming out soon

Remaster

[cloud steppe]

The second game is better but still similar. If you beat the first game you can get the protagonist from the first game in your party in part 2.

Second has a more interesting story.

[abstract drift]

yeah i prefer the second, more interesting story

its definitely more suikoden though

[silent bridge]

My recollection of playing the first was not really knowing where to go and there wasn’t a map that I could find except online. Maybe I should line up for the remake instead.

[tawny palm]

I like Suikoden II, but I don't love it. I was super annoyed about the requirements for the true ending.

[silent bridge]

Oh, one of those that you’ll likely need a guide to do so. Is the non-true ending really bad?

[tawny palm]

If you don't get the true ending, you miss out on a lot of content. It's pretty substantial.

[silent bridge]

So if I’m skipping Sui1, it’d be best to play with a guide? Or go in blind the first time?

[ivory verge]

playing with a guide takes the pleasure out of discovering games....

[silent bridge]

I’ve always presumed so I’ve never played with one before. Though is Sui2 a game you can beat, get the poor ending, go back in on your current save, do additional stuff to get the good ending?

[bitter lintel]

the same comment given to doom eternal

[somber steppe]

Did anybody notice that armored core is really amazing?

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[somber steppe]

Well, now you know.

[ivory verge]

just kidding , I played in 1998 🙂 loved the game.

I tried playing some time ago and it's not nice anymore haha

I got old

😉

[somber steppe]

I tried it because of the hype around the new one. It's really fun imo. Maybe I'll get the ps5 game after I beat all the ps1 and ps2 games.

[ivory verge]

yeah I want to play the new Armored Core

just need to finish the Cyberpunk dlc

which is very good by the way

[somber steppe]

Never got cyberpunk. That game always gives me a feeling I get a way better experience way cheaper if I just wait 5 years.

[ivory verge]

Now is a good time to play, I've been waiting a long time for the PS5 version

[shut escarp]

armored core 6 is awesome

[surreal raft]

Word AC6 is amazing super fun

[tawny palm]

That's part of what makes getting the true ending so bad. You get locked out of it, and unless you backed up your save, you have to start the entire game over again to get it. And the game doesn't give you any indication of where/when that crucial moment is. So by the time you realize you didn't meet the requirement for it, it's already too late.

[cloud steppe]

Just enjoy the game and watch the true ending on YouTube. That's what I would do nowadays. I don't have as much time as before.

[silent bridge]

That is a bit harsh. Maybe they wanted you to replay it. Isn’t it a fairly short RPG, about 30 hours?

[silent bridge]

Good idea. Though by doing so, I wonder if that YT video’s characters and my play through’s character will differ etc.

[waxen elk]

Is the DS mode toggle broken? When set to L3+R3+Up/Dn it actually triggers when I do L1+R1+L2+R3+Up/Dn. L3+R3+Up/Dn does nothing when the reverse is set

This is in a switch pro controller

[serene nebula]

Did you bind L3 and R3 in the core?

[waxen elk]

I may have lost that when I updated my controller firmware. I'll give it a look.

[serene nebula]

Let us know!

[waxen elk]

Interesting. After remapping, they both work, but only when the L3 + R3 option is selected

The four shoulder buttons option does nothing

But I can still use the shortcut

[serene nebula]

weird…

[waxen elk]

Anyone else experiencing this?

Weird also looks like R2 is always being pressed. I think I need to test what's going on in an input tester...

Oh weird, getting input ghosting when I press all four trigger buttons

Probably a problem with my adapter

[serene nebula]

@waxen elk try this test program in the PSX core - #psx-chat message

[waxen elk]

Trying with pad test. Currently going through all the 8bitdo controller modes

[serene nebula]

Use Xinput if you can

[waxen elk]

So only xinout and dinput seem to do anything. And both have issues with multiples of the L1/2 and R1/2 being held at the same time

Man, this is a crappy adapter

[serene nebula]

I’m sorry, that sucks.

[waxen elk]

It's all good, I just need to make sure to do a bit of mashing to unstick them when going from analog to digital

[ivory verge]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=79574#p79574

Did anyone have such problems in FFVIII ?

[tropic stratus]

Just watched it again with the last released core, no issues

[ivory verge]

I assume it's a popular game, if more people had a problem with it there would be a lot of reports

[ivory verge]

Did you check the PAL or NTSC version?

[tropic stratus]

NTSC

especially with it being the initial FMV. If it was deeper in the game, maybe not many play until there, but the build is out for nearly half a year now

PAL(german) also works fine here

[ivory verge]

yeah, looks perfect here too , no issues

[tacit fox]

Maybe he’s using those out of specs 4 chips SDRAM modules?

[ivory verge]

As far as I know psx has no problem with 4c

Saturn has a problem because it uses memory chips in parallel for good badwitch

[tropic stratus]

psx will only use the first mbytes anyway

it does however use relativly high clock and low latency mode

[soft granite]

You still working on the psx core @tropic stratus or do you consider a line drawn under it at this point?

[tropic stratus]

not at the moment, i'm busy with n64. afterwards, maybe. i should at least take a look at the few new bugs that popped up in the last months

[slow escarp]

I’m looking for a guide on how to setup the Wii sensor bar for gun games. Discord search is not good though.

[serene nebula]

Sync the Wii remote via Bluetooth and just plug the Wii sensor bar into any usb port to power it

[slow escarp]

Thanks dude. Any settings I need to change in core?

[serene nebula]

Press F10 in the main menu to calibrate the Wii remote

Also happy to help, please let us know if that works for you

[slow escarp]

Thanks my dude. You’re the best.

[somber steppe]

I could never get a wiimote to pair via bluetooth. Any secrets I should know?

[serene nebula]

Hit the red button on the Wii remote?

[somber steppe]

Did that on 3 different wiimotes, only 1 of them is with integrated motion plus.

[serene nebula]

Hmmm, not sure. Should just need to press the red sync button and enter pairing mode on the main menu.

[merry hound]

Just tested on my Mister, put Mister in pairing mode (hold middle OSD button for 5 seconds), push and hold red Wiimote button until 4 leds on the front of Wiimote start to blink, and it sync'd. I've never had a Wiimote sync'd with my MiSTer before.

[somber steppe]

I used the bt pairing script, but should be the same, right?

[merry hound]

I think so, I've always used the button. I have every kind of Wiimote here but just grabbed a stock, pre-motion plus one to test

[somber steppe]

Just tried the buttons, same thing. It's not really an issue as I wasn't really planning on using a wiimote on mister. I just tried it because shig recommended the classic controller for psx games and it's the only "adapter" I have at hand.

[tawny palm]

Does anyone know if there is any way to fix Area 51 when using a guncon 3? That game's aiming doesn't match where the on-screen cursor is at all, making it unplayable with a guncon 3. Is it a problem with the core itself?

All other PS1 lightgun games work great except for that game.

[ivory verge]

Area 51 is a justifer game

maybe need a patch ?

[tawny palm]

Other justifier games work fine though. It's only Area 51 that doesn't work correctly.

[ivory verge]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[tawny palm]

Crypt Killer for example works excellent with it.

[serene nebula]

You don’t get to decide that

[tawny palm]

Rooobbbyyyyy!

I do wonder if it's worth bring up with Robert. I know he's busy with N64 though, so I don't want to distract him from that.

Especially for such an edge case like this.

[serene nebula]

I think I had the same problem. You’ll need to patch it

[tawny palm]

Any idea where I can find the patch? Google isn't being my friend right now.

[serene nebula]

https://github.com/mirror/nuvee/tree/master/ps1 - guncon conversions

oh lol there’s no patch

[ivory verge]

yes, area 51 is ... top secret

no patch

[serene nebula]

Must’ve been thinking of another one of those games

[ivory verge]

I doubt that it is a bug in the core , if it works well with justifer ?

[tawny palm]

Robby trolling me something fierce today!

[serene nebula]

Sorry!

[ivory verge]

maybe area 51 doesn't like guncon 3? 🙂

[tawny palm]

Area 51 was the real troll all along.

It's so odd that it's the only one with that issue though. The other justifier games work great.

[ivory verge]

@tawny palm and did you do the calibration in the game ?

[somber steppe]

Irc the American government disabled guncon compatibility for area51 since the internet people tried to storm it a few years back. To prevent training.

[tawny palm]

Yep. Calibrated in the game. In the core. Made sure justifier is selected in the OSD. It's the only one I've tested that has issues.

[ivory verge]

#controllers message

here someone tested and it was ok with Justifer , he just didn't know that he could calibrate

so it seems to me that the problem is in the relationship guncon 3 - area 51 😉

[tawny palm]

Yeah, I have no doubt that it works fine with an actual Justifier on a CRT.

[knotty dune]

Hi guy, stull me from N64 channel but I think this is the right channel to ask... Is this Memory Card compatible with the core? https://8bitmods.com/memcard-pro-for-playstation-1-smoke-black/

[serene nebula]

It should as long as you use a SNAX adapter and a four player adapter.

[bronze spear]

Metal Gear Solid issue and other games: I have the latest version of PSX core (20230523), the game loads, but after the PSX usual screen, the screen becomes black and the game stops working; it happens also with other games (especially Konami ones); the CD image works on Duckstation and other games like Micromachines V3 work. I think that in the past Metal Gear Solid worked in the past...any idea?

[ivory verge]

I've finished MGS twice in the last month with no problems

are you using redump ?

[bronze spear]

I'm using the image downloaded from CDROMANCE

but it works on the emulator without problems...

[ivory verge]

are you using the default settings ?

[bronze spear]

it's very strange because other games like DDR's (by Konami) don't work

[ivory verge]

yes , I also use cdromance MGS works fine

[bronze spear]

I don't remember any remarkable changes...except for controllers

and video filters

maybe I will reset to default settings the core; I don't remember how, but I suppose it will be easy

Good that you have confirmed that the CDROMANCE image is working

This summer I played flawlessly (and with pleasure 🙂 ) "Silent Hill"

is it possible to reset each core to default settings? (feature never used 🙂 )?

[serene nebula]

It’s not an issue with the core fortunately. Make sure your discs are from the collections listed in the pins and delete your PSX core config settings in media/fat/config

[ivory verge]

cdromance is ok

[serene nebula]

Probably but I reiterate that to make sure they use verified sources to minimize the potential sources of issues for a quickest path to a solution.

People can use whatever though, of course.

[somber steppe]

Whats the reasoning behind not treating dualshock digital mode like digital mode regarding the analog sticks? It would ne really handy to be able to use the analog stick in dualshock digital mode as the dpad without having to go to the osd.

[bronze spear]

I will reset my settings tonight...thank you all!!!

[tawny palm]

It's probably related to setting the cd speed faster in the core's OSD. I had that problem with some Konami games and once I set it back to the default setting, the games played perfect again.

Pretty sure it was the "CD Fast Seek" option.

[somber steppe]

@tropic stratus

[tropic stratus]

because it would confuse users which is active

you cannot distinguish if you are in analog or digital mode

you can always switch to the digital pad if you really need it

[somber steppe]

Alright, fair enough. Although I think the pop up does a rather good job at telling you which mode you're in.

Maybe sometime as an extra toggle.

[clever pendant]

Took a break from N64 and everyone was so excited to see me.

[bronze spear]

after the settings reset, MGS works again!!!

[bronze spear]

thank you all

[waxen elk]

Playing some echo night with the wife for Halloween

(I didn't know New Zealand did trick or treating too)

[silent bridge]

Slightly confused… if I use a Dual Analog (PS1) or a Dual Shock (PS2), is it best to leave the menu set to analog unless you know the game requires strictly digital? (Thinking about playing MGS again soon)

[waxen elk]

I just try analog and if the controls no longer work I switch it back

[teal cosmos]

I wasn't able to get the Dual Analog PS1 controller to work on my SNAX box, while Dual Shock 2s were fine. That was a real shame

[meager parrot]

what happened when you tried the dual analog?

[teal cosmos]

Been a while since I last tried but I think it was that it didn't even connect. The analog light didn't light up. Should try again later today to make sure

[teal cosmos]

Nvm, it is working now. Must have been some update for it as it definitely wasn't working last time I tried it

[meager parrot]

cool, good to hear its working! Figured it was just some fluke as all peripherals should work via SNAX as far as I'm aware

[nimble pond]

Anyone have advice to improve the guncon3's tracking on psx?

It seems to work great on nes, snes and genesis

Just awful on psx, even after calibrating many times

Tested justifier and guncon games

[serene nebula]

Can you go into more detail on what’s awful about it?

And what games it’s awful on

[mystic flare]

have you tried turning on both fix hblank and fix vblank?

it helped with my gun4ir

[nimble pond]

Super slow tracking. Imprecise, it pauses every now and then. Can't shoot anything because it doesn't aim where it should

[nimble pond]

Project horned owl, time crisis, point blank, area 51, elemental gearbolt, resident evil survivor

[nimble pond]

Where do I change that?

[mystic flare]

in the misc or video settings.

but reading your comment about slow tracking makes me fear it might be something else

[nimble pond]

Like super slow tracking

[serene nebula]

Yeah that’s not normal

[nimble pond]

Do you guys have a guncon3 ?