#Sony PlayStation

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quick gyro
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And i collected Machbox cars as a kid, so i know youre wrong!

serene nebula
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Also the real world also has a higher vertical resolution. Sorry again PAL.

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ok in all seriousness that’s cool, thank you so much for sharing

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PAL wins! elmorise

bright yacht
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Anyone used this?

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Looks like it requires a CRT display. It might work like a lightgun?

lapis tide
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Hello. Exist an article explaining how gran turismo replays works and why is so difficult to be accurate in mister to run them correctly?

ivory verge
lapis tide
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This happen on real hardware too?

ivory verge
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Nope, never

ivory verge
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Fortunately there is an easy workaround, turbo or psx2xcpu

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An interesting case anyway

lapis tide
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does software emulator have the same issue with gt replays?

ivory verge
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Nope

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There are 2 solution:

  • 100% accuracy, which is very likely never going to happen with a system so complex
  • aiming for higher than 100% CPU speed like you see in many emulators by default. In the core you can do that with turbo options.
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Quoting Robert from a forum post

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I know , that @tropic stratus has raised this topic here several times , but maybe he will have some time to say something more about it

lapis tide
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I think it could be fixable because software emulator emulate it correctly. So i'm surprised about the answer "100% accuracy, which is very likely never going to happen with a system so complex" ...

ivory verge
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And what emulator is 100% accurate?

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In the second point it is written that cpu in emulators runs faster, so you will get the same thing by turbo in core

lapis tide
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Ah ok

strong hatch
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most emulators for things more complicated than really basic systems often rely on workarounds to get things playable rather than accurate

ivory verge
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Excatly

strong hatch
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the bug is probably fixable in the core, but, it's a small bug that could take a long time to figure out. If there is already a workaround that's probably more preferable than spending a lot of time trying to fix it.

ivory verge
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yeah, from what I remember Robert spent a lot of time to find the cause

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we know very well that if he could have done it without spending several months of his time on it

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we would already have it corrected

tropic stratus
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the problem is that i don't know where to start. It's not like you have some easy visible condition where it fails and could compare it

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if at all, it's a range of several seconds where it happens and debugging that would be insane

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it's not a simple timing thing, as higher cpu speed makes it stable

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this makes me think that low speed = dropped frames makes the playback go out of sync

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as all popular emulators i know are faster than real hardware, it's no surprise none of them has this issue. But feel free to try if duckstation also gets it if you downclock the cpu, it offers that option

hard laurel
# strong hatch most emulators for things more complicated than really basic systems often rely ...

Agree. A lot of "Approximation" is also done by the emulator to achieve an outcome which at times isn't necessarily the right outcome (e.g. some audio may not play quite right, some graphics may not draw / appear correctly or the timing of gameplay can be wrong).

I have had comments thrown at me before "Oh the MiSTer is just an over-priced, glorified emulator box" from those who don't know what this thing is all about.

I totally appreciate that due to lack of documentation about how the PSX Works (lets face it, why would Sony have done that?) that an FPGA implementation would never be 100% but then a Software Emulator wouldn't be either for the same reason.

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Even my beloved Mega Drive / Genesis emulators have had issues for years with Sound effects and music not sounding quite right.

The Genesis core does a far better job of this (allbeit with some issues that I have reported on the Git Hub [Sonic 3 underwater graphical corruption IF CRAM Dots are enabled for example]).

tulip moat
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To be fair, even the original Mega Drive wasn't consistent between revisions.

Some of the early releases straight up didn't work on the Mega Drive 2 revision for example.

pseudo plinth
lapis tide
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Exist a document describing the replays data format?

hot marsh
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@bright yacht It doesnt need crt. It has motion controls. Mine is squeaky af

abstract drift
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i'm pretty sure the replays can get broken even on some real playstations

quick gyro
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i never and i dont know anyone that ever looked at these replays, maybe its a small subset of people that like to wach these in the first place?

ivory verge
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I played hundreds of hours of GT, saw countless replays 🙂

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We even recorded replays on VHS and sent them to competitions in the newspaper

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never saw issues

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There has never been a game like GT before

quick gyro
ivory verge
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here is an interesting discussion, GT4 and GT2

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"I haven't seen this in GT4, or any other GT of the series, but a reason this happens is if you temper with the timing of the console or the game. (fast forwarding, slowing down) or if you use unappropriated devices such as Gamesharks or other means, which temper with the game's code and timing. "

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there is very little information about it

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Maybe someone once saw such a bug in GT1, but we're unlikely to find out

lapis tide
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How the replay works in gt? It records the command with the delay or frame? I would be curious to find the format of the replay savec on the memory card ...

ivory verge
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"Basically, what happens is during the race you play, the game doesn't record events like if it was filming. It only records the player's input as well as the AIs.

So if at 1.2234 second you start steering right and end it at 1.8241 second, the 'replay' will 'replay' those same commands to recreate your race. "

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i tried many

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only GT affected

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the problem is not only with the players' replays but also with those already included by the game developers

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I haven't seen such issues in any other game that includes any time demo

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didn't see any, played Omega

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Motor Toon is worth checking

ivory verge
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Unfortunately I am not able to reproduce the issue on the DuckStation, I spent 3h playing around with the CPU speed settings

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so either I'm doing something wrong , or it's something else more complex

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I slowed down the CPU, accelerated , used turbo etc, with no result

abstract drift
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it happens even on the replays that come on the disc

lapis tide
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I mean i m curious to see what data are stored in the Replay file. Delay between command? Frames between command? When executing the Replay how the delay between command is simulated (because it related to CPU timing it exécutes some CPU instruction to wait amount of Time between command ?)

tropic stratus
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could also be related to the GPU rendering. This is best effort on mister, due to the ddr3 being busy randomly (scaler, linux, CD stuff, ...) and reproducible on a real ps1

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maybe the cpu turbo helping is misleading, as it just pushes the commands to the GPU faster, so this increases the possible time for the gpu

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but overall i'm still not convinced. I mean, the game falls down to <25fps on a real ps1, so it cannot really depend on the correct frame pacing. Also the records are played back with different camera perspective, which will lead to different fps, so if you record per frame and play back per frame, this will not match

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more likely is that it really is time based

lost coyote
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What are some good homebrew ports or games in the PS1?

I just discovered Cave Story/洞窟物語 for the PS1. It's the game alright but with loading. Works well on the PS1 core.

hazy otter
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Can anyone tell me where to find info on setting the PSX core to run at 31kHz? My CRT doesn't do 15kHz, and the PSX core seems to ignore the forced_scandoubler setting

ivory verge
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you may find the information you need there

hazy otter
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I found some clues, thank you.

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I think my problem is I'm using direct video.

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According to one post there, "I think only forced_scandoubler is supported as an option for direct video."

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and since forced_scandoubler is ignored...

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That's really disappointing, this Naomi cabinet is turning out to be way less useful than I'd hoped.

ivory verge
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Sorry on this topic I have no knowledge, I only remembered that there was such a topic on github

hazy otter
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Thanks, I appreciate it.

timber veldt
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You have to use a modeline for it to work on your 31khz display

hazy otter
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@timber veldt Well I tried that, and it's still coming out as 15kHz

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I've tried several settings I've found online, but video_mode=6 is where I started, to no avail.

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Or is there more to it? Do I need to set a whole custom mode?

light cloud
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Since direct video is using the hdmi to vga dongle, you should be able to set video_mode=6 and direct_video=0 in a set up for just [PSX]

hazy otter
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@light cloud - I'm not sure if I can' I'm using a JAMMA Expander board, and I'm not sure it works the same way. I'll give it a try.

serene nebula
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PS1 graphics never got better than this. This is peak polygon.

cosmic tulip
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I disagree

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strong hatch
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That wobble on his face like it's melting a little lol

oak atlas
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Haggard looks better in s-video

opaque wolf
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hi. I can't get pepsiman or any other japanese playstation game to load. "unsafe option used" flashes in the upper left and the screen is black, no playstation logo, no nothing. I did update_all several times this week, but I haven't played the playstation core in a while. All the US games I tried work, but so far NONE of the japanese ones.

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I have played these games on the core before, albeit months ago

timber veldt
tropic stratus
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i can hardly imagine what unsafe option would make the bios not load up...but yes, try delete the cfg file and make sure boot.rom(us), boot1.rom(jp) and boot2.rom(eu) are all there. Not showing anything on japanese games is very likely boot1.rom missing or corrupt

mortal oracle
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I don’t have real hardware to hand to test it, but formula 1 championship edition (NTSC) has some flickering at the bottom of the screen when racing - looks like the top of the screen is wrapping around slightly. (Sadly the vertical cropping options crop too much, so I’ll just live with it)

short parcel
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Wait, what!?

How do they depend on it?

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Oh, THAT game 😆

So crazy, I forgot about this title for 25 years

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I would strongly assume, that this is about the audio setup.

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Did you also play Romhacks?

lost summit
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it is not the romhack and we think it is maybe my speaker or my ears that are not well
we come to this conclusion some discussion after this message

ivory verge
mortal oracle
ivory verge
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PAL ♥️

mortal oracle
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Ha, I’m from the UK so the PAL version is what I grew up with. Trying to figure out which version of different games are better. My understanding (from google/here) is that the Colony Wars series, Colin McCrae (2 at least, not sure about 1), MediEvil series and possibly Gran Turismo 2 are “better” in PAL. It would be good if there was a list somewhere

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Better = smoother or without scaling issues

mortal oracle
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I’m assuming that the combined market of NTSC(U+J) was bigger than PAL, so most likely NTSC versions are the definitive ones, with PAL being better by exception (likely with UK devs when the NTSC port was botched in some way)

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But I may well be wrong there

quick gyro
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Wipeout series also was better in pal

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Otherwise thank that your list is good

short parcel
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I assume PAL runs easier due to 50 Hz instead of 60

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yeah

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So I guess the "hard to run" games are preferred in pal

hard laurel
mortal oracle
opaque wolf
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I found an earlier thread from back in august where the solution to playing japanese games was set the system to NTSC-U and that fixed it. Seems counter intuitive to me, I thought it would be setting it to ntsc-J (like the saturn core) . Silly me.

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instead of AUTO

mortal oracle
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Japanese games play fine for me with everything set to auto

ivory verge
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of course it works ok with AUTO 🙂 just have the bios for each region

ivory verge
meager parrot
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now that I have a ps1-compatible snac I should look into that again. controller option seemed to change the behavior on how far the demos got before failure before

tropic stratus
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controller options also change performance. E.g. 2 dualshock costs 1% of the frames CPU time, compared to 0.2% with a single digital pad

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this is because the standard controller code that basically every game uses does busy wait for the controller to reply for every word and dualshock has plenty of them

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this is the same on a real ps1 and the reason why i wrote a controller performance test and changed the controller response time in the core to match it

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so using a different pad config is like a mini turbo, also on a real ps1 🙂

hidden prism
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Interesting that the frame time expense per controller isn’t linear

tropic stratus
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well it's linear per word transfered

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digital pad has 5 words transfered per frame, dualshock has 9 words. So 1 digital pad vs 2 dualshock is 5 words vs 18 words. With multitap it can be even worse

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sorry, the first word of the second controller also has to be send without the second controller being there, to check if it's there, so it's probably more 0.3% or 0.4% vs 1%

forest trench
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NTSC-J version has the same soundtrack as PAL

tropic basin
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Hi, is there a way to turn off the region notification in the top right when a game loads?

ivory verge
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Nope

tropic basin
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Well that's a shame, I hope it can be added as a feature at some point in the future.

ivory verge
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Why is this such a problem?

tropic basin
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It's not a problem, just a personal preference. I would just rather it didn't pop up every time I load a game up, like the original psx.

ivory verge
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then nothing will pop up for you

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hiding the region information is probably no problem, but looking already at the number of options in the menu.... a little bit a lot of it 🙂

tropic basin
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Thank you for the suggestion, but sadly I play both US and JP games and going into the menu every time defeats the object.

tropic stratus
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the region information is part of the normal info line in mister. Maybe there is some framework feature to turn it off completly

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of course it would be easy to make a option inside the core for that, but given the short duration and it being the first request in the whole 18 months to remove it, the new option would probably be worse for the majority of users

tender tartan
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I have turned off both video_info and controller_info, and I can’t seem to remember seeing any mister notifications at all when booting PSX games. I might misremember though, it’s been a few weeks since I played a PSX game.

ivory verge
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Now you can feel the real PlayStation 😉

kindred bane
mortal oracle
tropic basin
ivory verge
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no prob 🙂

kindred bane
quick gyro
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There are many little differences between the versions but other than that the PAL version is slower I can't see anything big. I can't understand most of it because it needs to be played I guess 😅 the arrow color changes don't tell me anything

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Also interesting. The PAL version of the game seems to be the first game ever to have the libcrypt copy protection

wooden hare
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Saw a PlayStation analog joystick at this local games shop I frequent and am thinking of buying it

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What are some of the main games I should be using it for on ps1?

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Or ps2 I guess assuming it’s compatible

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No I know what’s compatible I just want like personal reccomendations as to what games I should play with it

bright yacht
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I use it mostly for Descent

strong hatch
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Maybe try ace combat 2 or 3? I'd probably try anything with flying

ruby sleet
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This is deliciously evil. Next level trolling, @serene nebula

serene nebula
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lolol, I wish it was me

ruby sleet
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It would've been too perfect.

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I think it's ironic that we joke about what a troll the literally nicest person on this Discord is 😄

serene nebula
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Appreciate you brother but I must contest that. The nicest people are the ones who work hard making the community wonderful cores.

ruby sleet
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SEE!? You're doing it again!!! 😂

meager parrot
serene nebula
hot marsh
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+1 on Descent

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Too bad it can't work with ape escape out of the box due to lack of L3/R3

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Probably can be done with like a usb converter and assign the l3/r3 somewhere else but kind of annoying to do it

bright yacht
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My main problem with this controller is that most games only uses a single stick. Most that supports the two sticks also supports the dualshock and are better suited for it.

abstract drift
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does cybersled support it? that might work well

bright yacht
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I think it's does negcon

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I find bizarre how sony launched the console with no concept of any analog controller (but it had mouse). Device support is a mess on ps1.
At least on saturn most racing games supports the racing wheel, and most flight games supports the mission stick.

abstract drift
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most psx racing games support the negcon

bright yacht
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only the ones that came after ridge racer as the negcon was made for it

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oh, it was a launch title XD

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I remember some earlier games not supporting the negcon, as the first need for speed game. Aso destruction derby

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I remember this one working with the negcon but was not good to play

serene nebula
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I play everything with the analog joystick because I am a real man.

lilac scaffold
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Doesn't even have the common courtesy to go for a multiplayer game

serene nebula
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@upper forge confirmed boomer, probably thinks pitfall is height of gaming

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can’t catch me old man, better take your multivitamin!

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while I’m over here jammin on the analog joystick

bronze pulsar
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Imagine being thought of as a self respecting millenial and calling is "PS1/PSone" and not PSX.

Couldn't be me.

eternal igloo
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Is there a recommended video preset for this? Trying the 5th gen console preset

serene nebula
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I like the ps1 core intro cause it sounds like skillex makes the beat drop, ahhh nostalgia

eternal igloo
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Lol any time you call it PSX on Twitter someone jumps down your throat to say the PSX is a separate piece of hardware

bronze pulsar
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nails scrape along floor as she's dragged back to the stone age

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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k fine, Ill just download subbed anime on irc...

serene nebula
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I was today years old when I found out the texture warping on the playstations was a hardware limitation and not a creative choice. skskskskskeksk

bronze pulsar
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Clearly you need the other console.. the one with..

serene nebula
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I find it funny that everyone was so hard for CDs in the 90s when solid state media would win in the end. lol boomers amirite

bronze pulsar
glacial orbit
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take that back the GC wasn't a flop you're a flop you hear me

bronze pulsar
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Need an Atari 7800 poor kids logo too

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3DO font?

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Alas

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I think X68000 is peak rich kids though

ruby sleet
bronze pulsar
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Hope your 90s importing game was strong

ruby sleet
ruby sleet
bronze pulsar
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Saturn importing, the way to cling to 2D for a few more years

ruby sleet
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Rated E for "you're f***ing wrongE"

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ruby sleet
bronze pulsar
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That was what I did on Dreamcast

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Bunch of 2D fighting games, import and domestic

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That console kept on giving

ruby sleet
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After the Saturn debacle, I waited exactly 1 year before buying my Dreamcast... y'know: to make sure it was going to stick around this time. 😄

bronze pulsar
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🫠

ruby sleet
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My Dreamcast collection is vast. Easily the largest of any console I own. Came out when I started getting decent paying jobs and had almost zero expenses. 😄

bronze pulsar
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Dreamcast and NGPC were my favorites during that time

serene nebula
bronze pulsar
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Your trolling is really fooling people

slender junco
# ruby sleet My Dreamcast collection is vast. Easily the largest of any console I own. Came o...

Upon reflecting on previous consoles, I find the Dreamcast was about the peak for me. The Dreamcast console was priced perfectly and it still had fantastic arcade ports. I just found the game fun with a dash of zany Japanese flair. There was a little something for everyone and had lots of pick up and play gems. Once PS2 rolled out, arcades shuttered and the whole console landscape changed. Everything got serious, and the fun started to dwindle in that aspect for me.

strong hatch
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the further I dig into the ps2 library there was plenty of unique and interesting games, just a lot of them never left Japan or had relatively obscure localizations. Definitely wasn't the focus of the console for sure though, Dreamcast's library just always had that feeling

bitter lintel
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trying to teach robby how to be more savage is like trying to teach paint how not to dry

bronze pulsar
bitter lintel
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i hearted my own line. i'll try again.

plucky plume
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Is it just me, or is Steven Seagal looking more and more like Bud Spencer

frail storm
hot marsh
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Any grip controllers any good?

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Aka one handed controllers. Did ps1 even have good visual novels lol?

serene nebula
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Yeah the Ascii Grip I think is fine for RPGs

shut escarp
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there's also a ton of VNs on PS1

hot marsh
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Yup the grip v and the like

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Saw cheap ones here but i am like , i dont see myself using it lol

shut escarp
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i got one bc it was really cheap

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and as a potential 'duck' button for time crisis

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but then I got an arcade pedal lol

bitter lintel
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dodge those 25cm bullets

tulip moat
spare topaz
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Any PSX core connoisseurs in here pick up an LG C3?

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I read during CES coverage that the C3 has done away with the brief drop of signal when changing signals on the display.. my C1 clips in and out several times every time I launch the PSX core as resolution changes, VRR/ALL engages? Etc. wondering if that all still happens on the c3

hot marsh
shut escarp
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i want one of those for finger ddr lol

oak atlas
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Any game specifically that's easy to see resolution change?

spare topaz
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I tried to snap a quick video of my settings and the symptom but my family has different plans for me.

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If you had a CX/C1/C2 it’s the similar thing to launching HDR content and the signals drops for a couple frames while it switches modes - but more pronounced in MiSTer. During gameplay it’s a non issue.

shut escarp
oak atlas
hot marsh
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i mean does VRR really do much for MiSTer?

bitter lintel
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more than you'll ever know

abstract drift
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with turbo on you can make it switch like multiple times per second

tulip moat
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For the Playstation core specifically, I adjust the vsync so that it matches the core frequency and also use freesync. That combination eliminates the sync drop that commonly happens with resolution changes.

The only drawback is that there's a mild amount of latency, but honestly it's not even noticeable so it's not a deal breaker.

ruby sleet
# hot marsh i mean does VRR really do much for MiSTer?

Definitely with stuff like the Neo Geo. Intermittent shadow flicker has always been an issue on fixed refresh screens. On real hardware, you can install a new timing crystal to bump it up, with an imperceptible speeding up of games. VRR solves it on MiSTer.

I'm sure there are many other examples too (DoDonPachi). It's useful for sure. Especially since accuracy is the goal.

hot marsh
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ah okay. at least it has a real tangible thing

ruby sleet
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VRR is one of those things that solves a lot of retro on modern display issues. It's pretty cool that even stuff like the RetroTink 5X can do it with real hardware now.

serene nebula
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man that’s cool, I had no idea what VRR did for retro games lol

manic citrus
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to be fair all the mister and rt5x are doing is setting the flags that tell the TV to enable VRR and hoping for the best

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seems to work out ok on most displays

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there's like 2 capture devices that are even vrr aware these days

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although the mister doesn't really vary the framerate much for most cores

oak atlas
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wouldn't the biggest discrepency be the NES running at 60fps while more cores tap out at 30?

ruby sleet
spare topaz
oak atlas
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yeah, np. It was my first time going oled, so I went for the latest model

ruby sleet
bitter lintel
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CPS - cores per second

ruby sleet
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pffft. I refuse to acknowledge PAL. THEY AIN'T MY PAL!

empty yacht
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we got a low res guy here

ruby sleet
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sssssSSSSSOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNIIIIIICCCC GGOOOOOTTAAAAA GOOOOOO FAAAAAASSSSSt

Know what that is? PAL Sonic.

bronze pulsar
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🫠

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SECAM you see...

ruby sleet
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Ohhhh no... do NOT bring the French into this.

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"Nonetheless, SECAM was partly developed for reasons of national pride."

They invented a broadcast system just for the clout! Do you know what kind of mad person does that?!

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Yeah well... we made the systems and games... soooo.... 😉

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If we're talking about "creator's intent"

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I feel like AI is just going to learn to kill us by learning about the dumb shit we argue about online and just have us destroy one another.

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#bot-play 👈 @upper forge

mystic violet
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220v = 50hz and 110v = 60hz

ruby sleet
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"United States (USA) 120/240V 60Hz"

vestal thicket
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G3 is a worthy upgrade. If you are dead set on a C series I'd wait till they come with a MLA panel. Massive jump forward. Specially for those of us who are brightness limited with shadow masks, BFI, etc

odd glen
slender junco
rigid lintel
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Is there an easy way to move my saves from a real ps1 (well memcard pro) to mister yet? I want to continue my Alundra file on mister

shut escarp
rigid lintel
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Oh crap I didn’t know that was possible. Now I need to find everything online to make that happen

shut escarp
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if you see yourself caring about SNAC for other cores, i'd say get a SNAX from porkchop.

if you solely care about it for this purpose, there's cheaper PSX only snac adapters you can get, and some of those have mem card ports built in. There's someone here who was selling some of them but I forget his username, they used blue1's design.

or you can get any PSX snac adapter, and a multitap, and all the PSX multitaps have a memcard prot

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then you just load up a memcard on mister, activate snac on port 2, go into the bios and copy the saves like you did back in the day

rigid lintel
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Or do I need a whole Multitap

shut escarp
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With his you need a whole multi tap, but PsX ones are under $10 still

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Retrocastle makes one with ports that’s on their Ali page, I have one of those in my cab and a SNAX on my TV setup

rigid lintel
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Doh looks like I missed Porkchops being in stock. Will have to go with another for now. Maybe retro castle

still palm
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can probably do it a few different ways, might not have to buy anything

shut escarp
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oh yeah... you did mention memcardpro

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you can just turn those into mister mem card files!

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good call blue1

ruby sleet
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That's how I did it. Got all my cards dating back to 1996 on my MiSTer.

abstract drift
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they use the same exact format

rigid lintel
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Oh really? So it’s just a copy paste job

abstract drift
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yeah

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mcp names its files after the game IDs while mister names them after your isos so you'll need to rename it

hot marsh
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Like these monsters

rigid lintel
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I’ll look into that as a fun side project. I have like 15 PS1s collecting dust for projects

rigid lintel
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Tried to convert Alundra from ISO to bin/cue with PowerISO and it won't boot. Lame!

rigid lintel
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nevermind, discovered the power of chdman

quick gyro
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Because i heard people here talk about Wipeout not being sure about the PAL Variants being better. I found a YT Video where the maker claims that WipEout 3 - Special Edition is PAL only and has Race Tracks form the Japanese Wipeout 3 and also Tracks from the first Wipeout playable with the Wipeout 3 Engine and Physics.

https://youtu.be/lkFLYQQ7h6c

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guess i need to revisit Wipeout 3 Special Edition 😄

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quick gyro
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I grew up with Bud Spencer and Terrance Hill, they are Legends in Italy and german-speaking Countries.

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https://youtu.be/-9TrcG3Th_Q
He made a good Video about them and the game Slaps n Beans

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unborn compass
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PowerPC version, correct 😄

ivory verge
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I too own the original Amiga version of Wipeout 🙂

unborn compass
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And I have the WipEout Fusion edition PS3

ivory verge
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and Quake for Amiga 🙂

unborn compass
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Yes, also cool

ivory verge
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yeah

unborn compass
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Sadly I have another meeting now

unborn compass
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A meeting with only other developers on the project, 20 minutes instead of the planned 60 😄 Why do we have managers again?

quick gyro
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Wipeout fusion on ps3 was so great! I always played it online with a friend

foggy quiver
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I have Wipeout Fusion for PS2. It supports NegCon on PS2 (!). I don’t think it was ever released on PS3.

quick gyro
mystic violet
foggy quiver
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Thanks but I wouldn’t call it dominating 🙂

quick gyro
mystic violet
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Eis am Stiel I have never seen

unborn compass
quick gyro
mystic violet
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Mostly RTL plus did stuff after 23:00

surreal vine
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Has there been any talk of supporting the Konami System 573 arcade board(s)? It's based on PSX and runs Bemani rhythm games. Some are fan favorites and will need hardware replacements at some point, e.g. Dance Dance Revolution Extreme (mister?)

ivory verge
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of course it is feasible, you just need to find a willing person to do it 🙂

surreal vine
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Mostly why I was wondering if it's ever been discussed. I could put up some money for it, but probably wouldn't cover the cost...

ivory verge
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for now, no one willing to work on a PSX-based arcade has been found 😉

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and I don't think it's about money

tulip moat
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Is there a SNAC adapter for the PocketStation?

still palm
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there was a MC adapter for the psx snac I made. but should be able to use a multitap with any of them to get a MC port, and pocketstation should work with that

tulip moat
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That would be nice, especially for streaming or recording, but would that even be feasible? The PS1 core by itself is already pushing limits.

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I think a separate core would work. Unlike the VMU that was necessary for some games, the PocketStation was an optional peripheral, so you can get away with it being an independent core.

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The only question I have is how does it exactly interact with Playstation games. Does it read the save file similar to the transfer pak on the Nintendo 64?

still palm
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some games just save something on the PS and you can play it, other games the games interact with the PS so a separate core may not work, but I'm not a PS expert

abstract drift
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heh continue seem to be using the psx core :
https://youtu.be/qwmVe3w4b0M?t=1128

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tropic stratus
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No. Compare the size of the ARM7 alone from the GBA core with how much space is left in the PSX core. And you also need some other parts

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it would require to remove other parts from the psx core, e.g. savestates+turbo+filtering

tulip moat
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@tropic stratus Would it be possible to make a separate core for the PocketStation integration, like what you did with the ×2 CPU core?

tropic stratus
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TDMI only increases size. Thumb is additional to the normal CPU, just like the other extensions

tropic stratus
abstract drift
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do games act differntly when pocketstation is plugged in or anything? maybe just some simple flags can fool them

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and then yeah a seperate core could actually do the things it did when it was unplugged

still palm
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think PS reacts differently then a regular MC. they can use the regular MC commands like read or write, but there's also custom commands for them. (don't think that all games use those though)

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so you'd probably have to tweak the psx core a little to make it think a PS is connected and add support for those special commands. then transfer you card image to the other custom core.

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thought there was a list somewhere of what the games did with the pocketstation but couldn't find it

abstract drift
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yeah i thought we found something like that

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the old thread still in archive? maybe there

unborn compass
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I have the RetroCastle PSX SNAC adapter, using it with my regular MiSTer, it is great. Not only does it have memorycard connectors, it also provides the correct rumble motor voltage. You have to ask the seller to remove the USB passthrough and then you can use it with a regular MiSTer setup.

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unborn compass
short parcel
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Yeah, Thumper

severe cove
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i asked this in the #help chat as well but since this is PSX specific: I'm trying to figure out how to mount the CD image without loading the game / cd, so that I can use the shrine feature in Monster Rancher correctly. I can unmount the image fine, but the normal selection process in the mister menu just loads the new game. Does anyone know how to mount an image to the core without loading its contents?

hot marsh
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they have to be in the same folder

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otherwise, the core will treat is a new game and force a reset. This is what I did for those beatmania games that only load with a certain disk

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Which is kind of problematic for games that use random CDs like I think that monster breeding game (if you want to use PSX discs but I think audio cds are exempt).

tropic stratus
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same folder works. Audio CD will also not reset. And you can "open the lid" before changing, then there will also be no reset

serene nebula
severe cove
short parcel
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I remind this game from a review of the time

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Isn't that some music game, and you can insert music cds, to make up the game world?

ivory verge
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yeah, Vib Ribbon

frail storm
short parcel
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Interesting

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I remember, I wanted it to play back then

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I was like 10 xD

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Ok, I was 11 and wow:

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The game was initially commissioned as an advertisement for the Mercedes-Benz A-Class car.

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😅

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Interesting, there are two Japan exclusive successors

strong hatch
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One of them iirc let you hook up your cellphone and share edited photos, pretty cool for the early 00s

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The other one is about calligraphy I think

ebon tinsel
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I love Vib Ribbon so much!

oblique frost
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this reminds me I need to figure out converting my music to bin/cue disc images so I can vib ribbon

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I had a chip'd psx back in the day and would play burned music discs with my burned vib ribbon disc for hours and hours

glacial orbit
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Any recommended 4-Player PSX games? I got CTR, NBA Jam and Quake 2 accounted for

quick gyro
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Maybe Crash bash?

glacial orbit
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I was thinking of it, is it like Mario Party where you stop and go for mini games?

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I'm thinking more, boot up, load multiplayer and go games

quick gyro
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if i remember correctly its like mario party but only the mini games

glacial orbit
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Ill give it a whirl then, thanks bud

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I got Twisted Metal 4 and NFL Blitz 2001

serene nebula
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Any game is four players if you’ve got enough patience

lilac scaffold
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bomberman, micro machines, team buddies, wu-tang / thrill kill (known for the violence more than gameplay, but 4p), fifa

shut escarp
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Blast chamber

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Bishi bashi

foggy quiver
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Circuit Breakers

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Micro Maniacs

strong hatch
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bishibashi is prety fun, though it's only 3 players

hazy rain
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I think the PAL release has 1 and 2 on the disc, while 3 is Japan only

storm barn
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Incredible Crisis is so much fun! The quiz and get the weight right games are hard, the latter being harder.

serene nebula
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I also am a fan of command and conquer

hazy rain
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Currently playing Community Pom. The english translation quality is amazing so far, and very funny at times.

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storm barn
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I've been playing Dr. Slump translation on PSX core.

hazy rain
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I've tried Dr. slump too but didn't play much of it.
Discovering all the fan translated PS1 games gave me the same joy as when my father gifted me a PS1 when I was a kid.
I was not into PC emulation at all so the Mister is my first time diving this deep into discovering all these games

scenic reef
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Oh that's awesome.

tropic stratus
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I should look up what Dr.Slump is. I used the audio rips of it to build 80% of the SPU but have no idea about the game 🙂

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wait, it even looks like a decent 3D game?

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ivory verge
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fist of the north star

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serene nebula
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Yeah it’s a cute little game and the translation is great. I enjoyed it having never read the manga or familiar with the property.

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I used this core to play it! GOD I LOVE THE PSX CORE.

storm barn
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Analog pad works with the game, but you need to enable it (equivalent of pressing the analog button on real console), the game dont request it.

tropic stratus
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I'm not sure yet what this game is. Is the first part with story driven exploration just a tutorial? It seems after 1 hour the game changes to being a jump and run with fixed camera that plays like Super Arale 3D World. I will investigate further 🙂

hot marsh
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Man and now it has a fitness boxing game lol

severe cove
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the more I think about vib ribbon the more I’m convinced it’s the perfect rhythm game

twin walrus
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I just found out about this homebrew for PS1. Anybody here wanna contribute feedback regarding it's compatibility with the PSX core on MiSTer FPGA?
https://chenthread.asie.pl/fromage/

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the homebrew itself is a Minecraft clone and getting ready to test it out myself.

harsh shale
twin walrus
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testing the normal NTSC version and it loads just fine

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it plays really nice with the Turbo on high

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enabling high homebrew ram to 8MB doesn't hurt it but needs more testing to see if any crashes will happen eventually

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oh yeah this game requires analog sticks

harsh shale
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I would hope so

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it would be awful if it didn't lol

twin walrus
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haha yeah I tend to prefer using analog-stickless for PS1 simply because not enough games made good use of them or just didn't have good feeling analog stick controls

harsh shale
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yep, however for Minecraft if they made it and didn't take advantage of the analog sticks I'd be disappointed

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that would be painful

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absolutely!!! more-so because it's a modern game where it's trivial

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so the non-320x240 version renders at 640x240

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but because the worlds generate at random, I can't calculate if the 320 version leaves any overhead as I get framedrops eitherway

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so this is interesting.
Turbo - High
RAM (Homebrew) - 8MByte

normal version seems to get steady 40FPS in flat world but 320 version fluctuates in flat world.

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`Fromage 0.94 on MiSTer FPGA - PSX Core (23.05.03)
Basic Report:
• No showstopping issues such as crashes
• hitching while initially generating level, is playable after

PSX Core Specific Report:
• For optimal performance, in Miscellaneous enable Turbo High and RAM(Homebrew) to 8MByte

Discrepancies between Normal and 320x240 versions:
• In flat world, normal version can maintain steady 40FPS but 320x240 version fluctuates`

tulip moat
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@twin walrus Did you try the homebrew with the double CPU core?

twin walrus
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ah yeah thanks for reminding me

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that one only exists in one version right?

ivory verge
twin walrus
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still requires turbo high and ram 8MB to see changes but it's whao

tulip moat
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mine isn't dated

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I'll just grab a new one just in case

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ah that makes sense, the one I had did not have the Mike Y/C stuff implemented

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`Fromage 0.94 on MiSTer FPGA - PSX Core (23.05.03)
Basic Report:
• No showstopping issues such as crashes
• hitching while initially generating level, is playable after

PSX Core Specific Report:
• For optimal performance, in Miscellaneous enable Turbo High and RAM(Homebrew) to 8MByte

Discrepancies between Normal and 320x240 versions:
• In flat world, normal version can maintain steady 40FPS but 320x240 version fluctuates

PSX Core 2XCPU (23.03.04)
• Still requires Turbo High and RAM(Homebrew) to be 8MByte for optimal performance
• Flat world in normal version reaches high 50's but fluctuates close to the 60FPS range
• 320x240 is able to maintain steady 60FPS after generating Flat world`

serene nebula
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They’re playing it now

twin walrus
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haha :D

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good luck peeling them off the game now

tacit fox
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Whoah! Minecraft on the PSX!! elmorise

abstract drift
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is it a full blown minecraft port?

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even all the like, wild stuff? redstone etc?

harsh shale
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I think it's just a home brew approximation

tropic stratus
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which version do you use? CD or exe?

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i see, CD version has audio

twin walrus
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OH YEAH I forgot to bring this up but Xeno Crisis is getting a PS1 port pretty soon along with a GBA port.

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N64 version is available now but we currently have no public core for it yet 😆

abstract drift
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i wonder if they'll ever make like a Xeno Crisis2 or something

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not that i don't appreciate all the ports

strong hatch
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Gotta wait until they're done with a Saturn, 3do, and Jaguar port lol

serene nebula
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They’re like the Yacht Club Games of retro gaming homebrew. They’ll port their game to literally every retro console imaginable before even daring to work on a sequel.

ornate walrus
strong hatch
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I'm pretty sure I've seen them allude to a Saturn port at least, the others are speculation

ornate walrus
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interesting, thanks.

pseudo plinth
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I speak clearly hypothetically

twin walrus
twin walrus
serene nebula
twin walrus
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Have you guys checked out the Net Yaroze Collection? It's on archive.

ornate walrus
twin walrus
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twin walrus
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here is this Kickstarter post where the PlayStation 1 version has been announced.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1676714319/xeno-crisis-a-new-game-for-the-sega-genesis-mega-d/posts/3773210

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Update 33: New platforms and more (April 2023) · Xeno Crisis: a new...

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Ni...

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in the comments section is where I learned that tid bit of info.

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Having an issue where occasionally when saving in Suikoden, the game will freeze up on the “checking memory card” text.

This only started happening today, and today is also the first time I have used save state on my save file. Unsure if they’re related…tried to search past conversations for this and only saw stuff from a year ago.

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It’s very random and doesn’t happen all the time. The first time it happened it was accompanied by a visual glitch (flashing in a vertical strip near the middle of the screen).

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running v230503

ivory verge
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default settings ?

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no turbo etc

flat prism
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Yes, everything default

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“pause when CD slow” is on…

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Idk what that means and don’t think I’ve messed with that setting? Should it be off?

ivory verge
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Pause when CD slow: CD data must be returned in a fixed time frame, otherwise the core will pause until the data has arrived. Disabling this will remove these pauses, but also risk that the game hangs up due to CD data being late.

flat prism
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Hmm. Is it possible then that I just didn’t wait long enough when it froze?

tropic stratus
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cannot say much about it, other than that i played suikoden for about 5-6 hours on the core with that build

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when it was frozen it could be anything...waiting for memcard, waiting for CD, random crash, it's hard to say without more infos. Did you check with error overlays if anything was shown?

abstract drift
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yeah turn on error overlays and keep playing, at least if it happens again you might get more info

flat prism
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Just turned it on. I’ll let you know! Is there any chance its save state related? Or is that most likely coincidence?

tropic stratus
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savestates should not hurt, unless when the game was doing save stuff while it was taken

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the memcard is not in the savestate, so you could confuse a game if you e.g. load a old savestate where a new savegame was already taken and then save again or such things, but usually it should be fine. I used savestates all the time and still could save to memcard

flat prism
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Played for a couple more hours and things seem fine…I’ll report back if it comes up again during my playthrough. It was just weird because it happened twice in a fairly short period of time and I reset my mister between them. Who knows!

iron nova
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does anyone what numbers one would need to punch in the Index part of the cue sheet to make it start at the actual beginning of song for custom audio cds? all the tracks i have start 2 seconds later from the actual start. the clock starts at zero in the UI but you can rewind back slightly and hear the start of of the song starting at -02 seconds. i use multiple bins

manic citrus
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hard to know without knowing what's in the bins

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i.e do they have pregap data or not

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also how did you make these images?

iron nova
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They were originally mp3s I converted bins

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I used poweriso

manic citrus
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what's a track entry look like in the cue?

iron nova
manic citrus
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either try changing it to 'PREGAP 00:02:00 INDEX01 00:00:00'

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or maybe all of them to just INDEX01 00:00:00 and deleting INDEX00

iron nova
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Okay I’ll check it out and see

manic citrus
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do the first one or two, dont' pick a random one since it might still calculate an lba based on previous tracks (I can't remember)

iron nova
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Tried it both ways and it still does the same

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bronze pulsar
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I have done a replacement music hack with MET's guitar AST for Rockman 3 Complete Works for PSX. It is available on my archive.org page which is linked in my discord profile. 🙂

hazy rain
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I just realized archive.org has been banned in my country as of last week 😕

bronze pulsar
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Oof

hazy rain
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the "click here" website times out and doesn't seem to exist 💩

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serene nebula
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Time to get a VPN

hazy rain
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It drops my download speed to 50kb/s 😐

lilac scaffold
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Setting dns to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 may help

iron nova
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In tomb raider 2 in the cabin quarters the game froze for me as soon as I went in the theatre and jumped while getting ready to shoot. I reset the game and tried to reload my last save from the memory card and at the loading screen it stops at like almost the end infinitely. Tried rebooting the core too and it didn’t work

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It reads my save fine because I can load all the levels I have played up till that point. I just can’t reload the specific spot where I manually saved in the recent level.

abstract drift
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tr2 ntsc?

iron nova
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Yes

abstract drift
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can you post the memory card with your save on it?

iron nova
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Oops. I had restarted and beaten the level a little around 30 minutes after I had posted so i have overwritten the card.

buoyant plinth
hazy rain
buoyant plinth
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Woah. Wish I could!

quick gyro
hazy rain
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When I got those speeds last week, I was using Jdownloader 2. Didn't know that archive.org gave bad speeds

quick gyro
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i think Jdownloader2 is similar to free download manager

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but jdownloader2 had some adware if you pressed the wrong button during install, is that still so ? ^^

buoyant plinth
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Ah, I've seen how jdl2 works - it does parallel download streams and stitches it together, so that makes sense

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Not seen adware in it, but I think I got it from github not one of the variably dubious download sites

serene nebula
quick gyro
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also whats good these tools let you stop and resume downloads from archive.org

serene nebula
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It’s good

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Updates every two hours though lol

hazy rain
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I like that it scans the page for links. Got to download 23GB worth of Super Mario World hacks in that way

harsh shale
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That's a disturbing amount

tulip moat
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Somehow I can believe that.

harsh shale
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Oh I can believe it

hazy glade
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I went on hiatus to wait until Dave Mirra freestyle BMX was fixed. It still freezes occasionally. 😯 Is there a workaround for this? Maybe extract back from chd?

ivory verge
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As far as I know there is no workaround for this game

hazy glade
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Crazy. What a bummer.

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Oh well 😆

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I just have to reload the game and it continues for just a little longer.

azure hatch
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the best workaround is using an older build prior to a regression that made the freezing return

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PSX_20221013

bitter lintel
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play any of the other 89000 games on the mister

serene nebula
bitter lintel
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you can find comfort in that...

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you can RERUN THE GAME TOMORROW

shut escarp
serene nebula
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lolol

rose helm
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trying to set get and set up PSX 2X core. i see a link to the guthub to download the RBF file but it has two different files and i dont know which one to get between....

PSX2XCPU_20230304.rbf - new PSX2X version

PSX2XCPU_v2.rbf - ADDED BUILD

Also, should i get the files from github or is there a link somewhere in the Mister DISCORD instead?

ivory verge
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If there is any link to psx2xcpu it is just from the github site, so this is a good place to download it

oak atlas
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Playing through MGS for the first time on mister. Had to use the statue workaround for psycho mantis. Was curious how difficult it would be to implement a controller port swap. Guessing Robert thought of this at some point

iron nova
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😮 and I’m guessing you don’t have two controllers ?

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I never tried but could the keyboard be used then for something like psx counting as player 1 ?

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I always just used two controllers and then reset the player assignment to get through

oak atlas
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Oh I didn't try that

tropic stratus
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keyboard will also be controller 1 and the gamepad will not switch to 2 then, but having 2 controllers works

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there could be some other trick to work around it, but it would be bad to configure in OSD for just this one situation in 1 game...

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just using player 1 pad as slot 2 when slot 1 is off might work, but can also be confusing

oak atlas
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yeah I was able to do it with 2 controllers as intended. And the devs had enough foresight to program a failsafe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwktiIzv_yk&ab_channel=MatthewReynolds
Will be interesting to see what they do with the master collection ports

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To usually damage Psycho Mantis in Metal Gear Solid on PlayStation, you need to unplug your controller and change it to port 2.

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Thankfully, there's another way to fight Mantis without swi...

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mystic brook
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Hey guys, is there a website or something for the 2xcpu core? I cannot find it anywhere

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Maybe mention it in the readme page on the psx core github page or something?

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Googling psx2xcpu gives nothing

ivory verge
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Latest 20230304

mystic brook
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Thanks!

ivory verge
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It's for fun only

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"Experimental build only. Don't report bugs." 🙂

serene nebula
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I love the Sonny PlayNation

rare gyro
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I'm still looking forward to a psx3x core Artemio

tropic stratus
rare gyro
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I still love that I can play THPS 3 and 4 with so much less slowdown

bronze pulsar
ruby sleet
crimson steeple
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I really need a crt tv, ps1 and saturn look so crap on HD

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Has anyone tried CRT monitor 240p 120hz with these cores?

bronze pulsar
ruby sleet
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Plebs. If you're not buying for the intended slabbing, why bother?

hidden prism
dawn wind
patent junco
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I feel like linedoubling is the lesser of two evils if you are playing 240p on a VGA monitor...

crimson steeple
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iron nova
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I just saved 30 gb switching over to chd

hazy rain
ruby sleet
hazy rain
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I remember liking this game as a kid, but lost the disc a long time ago.... After replaying the start of it idk what I was thinking at the time 🤣

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It's not Bubsy 3D levels of bad, but not that far off

slow tusk
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I feel that. There are some games I refuse to replay because I'd rather have the memory of enjoying them not be tainted by the realization they don't hold up and probably never were good to begin with.

hazy rain
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Sometimes the opposite is true as well

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I hated Batman & Robin and would only play it to drive the batmobile for few minutes before the game over screen shows up

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I didn't understand English at the time so my brother and I were clueless to how to play it.
I have been playing it recently and it's definitely a bad game, but it has kinda a modern approach to game design that was not possible back then

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I kinda appreciate it now, still a bad game 🤣

mystic violet
bitter lintel
languid delta
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Is there much room left on the FPGA for the ps1 core or it’s close to the limit?

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I read or heard somewhere that the FPGA wouldn’t allow for a fully accurate recreation due to size limits but maybe I’m misremembering.

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Kind of like what Robert has said about the n64 core, where it won’t all be able to fit.

rare gyro
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Much room? Nope. The CD system isn't implemented in the lowest level possible on FPGA perhaps due to the amount of room leftover, but most likely it's because there won't be any noticeable difference. But for the sake of preservation it's still something that may be worth doing at some point.

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Also there's an audio delay in the range of nano seconds, which requires dual sdram to overcome.

languid delta
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Ah I’ve heard about the audio delay thing.

rare gyro
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it's really not perceptible by the human ear. I wouldnt notice an audio delay unless it were a couple frames.. so maybe 32 milliseconds.. but if we're talking about nanoseconds.. forget it 🤣

tropic stratus
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full accuracy would require to have 1 mbyte of internal blockram (mister has only 500kbyte available) for the VRAM. Currently it uses DDR3, making it not 100% reproducible due to it being shared with the linux

languid delta
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Yeah, it was just a curiosity. That’s not something I could imagine ever being noticeable lol

tropic stratus
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n64 will have the same limitation, just that it would need 4/8mbyte of it or dedicated ddr3/4

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dedicated ddr3/4 would not help with psx however, as the special feature of the ps1 VRAM is to clear a full page in 1 access, something modern ram cannot do

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(as far as i know at least)

languid delta
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Ah, interesting. How come that limitation would be on newer ram compared to the older stuff?

tropic stratus
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what do you mean?

languid delta
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Being able to clear a full page in 1 access

tropic stratus
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it's a special feature of the SGRam used for video ram

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however, the first batch of ps1 did have different ram without that feature

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but typically people wouldn't want it due to lower fps (it's much slower)

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in any case, all that is nitpicking. The compatibility issues the core has comes mostly from things either not understood or the CD subsystem being not low level emulated

languid delta
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Are we at a point where we’d need some chips to be decapped in order to understand what’s going on in those subsystems?

tropic stratus
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given how many games exist, the number of issues is low, so maybe we are closer than we think

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there is still a lot of stuff that can be tested out without decapping. But it takes a lot of time

languid delta
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That’s cool, thanks for chiming in! Always interesting to hear about this stuff even though my knowledge is pretty surface level.

tulip moat
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The MiSTER core is no worse than backwards compatibility on a PS2, so I think it's satisfactory for now.

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Obviously going full 100% would be ideal, but at least the bugs are limited to a handful of cases.

vestal thicket
languid delta
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I guess it depends on use case. Real hardware probably advantageous for some speedruns.

vestal thicket
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Yeah, I don't do speed runs so I don't know what is sanctioned or not. For playing the games I think it's better

serene nebula
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I don’t know what’s better but the core is good enough for me to not use my PS1 and giant game collection anymore lol

patent junco
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I’ve mostly played on PS2 hardware or other emulators and it compares favourably to those at least, so no complaints from me

languid delta
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With speedrunning some communities will ban certain emulators if their behavior diverges from original hardware in certain situations or like in the case for OoT speedruns they ban everdrives because they haven’t been able to test them thoroughly enough to make sure they don’t give an unfair advantage. It’s pretty situational.

serene nebula
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That makes a lot of sense. It’s cool to see such closely watched verification in the speed running scene.

tulip moat
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I always wondered about the validity of FPGA platforms like the MiSTer within the speedrunning community.

I know they typically separate original hardware and emulation, but I don't know about FPGA hardware emulation.

shut escarp
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depends on the game and community

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but ive seen more and more of them accepting mister

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I know theres a few folks here more tuned in to that scene than I am, like Carcinogen

manic citrus
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the lack of SOCD cleaner on mister makes some stuff a bit tough, tho

languid delta
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I used to speedrun Super Metroid and mister is an accepted platform that doesn't get separated out. Our practice hack is also written to work with mister as well.

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We do ban early versions of snes9x though.

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I also run Contra and mister is accepted there like in SM.

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A lot of SM runners prefer original hardware with a sd2snes, though, because the sd2snes can connect to your PC and lets you use an autosplitter/item tracker.

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I put in a request to make the SNES core memory readable over USB but sorg mentioned it would be too difficult (or maybe not possible) to implement.

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Which makes sense

shut escarp
manic citrus
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I know @split apex mentioned there were some speerunning stuff that was disqualfiying mister due to lack of socd

split apex
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yeah along with crashes/other annoying stuff in some arcade games

shut escarp
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Odd

manic citrus
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it has no socd protection on usb controllers. I can absolutely make mister do socd with a psx controller in the 'default' config

shut escarp
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I can make my CPS2 board do it too

split apex
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you can do it on any controller where there’s an analog stick mapped to dpad and a dpad

manic citrus
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which is every controller with an analog stick on mister

split apex
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jojo’s cps3 has a ton of crashes because of it

shut escarp
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Right but that is a controller issue agnostic of mister

manic citrus
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somewhere I have patches floating around that do socd cleaning in main, although it probably has too many options and needs to just be cpt standard

shut escarp
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even CPT standard is kind of controversial

split apex
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yes, but there should be an option

shut escarp
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because the hitbox standard was D+U = U for the last decade

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This (12 year old) video is on supergun CPS2

split apex
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which sucks for non-fighting games too

shut escarp
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with a non-cleaned prototype hitbox

split apex
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this isn’t a problem for me, it’s just shit i’ve seen online with mario and tetris and similar

shut escarp
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but like, it doing SOCD shit is accurate

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if SOCD-able controllers are illegal, thats the issue, not mister

split apex
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not wrong, but it would be nice to not have to worry about it

languid delta
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We just say don't do it in SM lol

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manic citrus
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also if you disallow 'socd-able' controllers on mister you disallow every controller with an analog stick, so that's probably not ideal

shut escarp
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by socd-able i mean, ones that are actually able to use it

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like a hitbox with cleaning turned off

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with a controller you can just... not map it

manic citrus
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no, you can't. not on mister

shut escarp
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yes you can

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you can just only map the DPad

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and not map analog to anything

manic citrus
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no, it auto maps analog axes to dpad

shut escarp
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really? im pretty sure I had it set up with only dpad for some stuff

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but i mostly play on stick so maybe not

manic citrus
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maybe if you do some trickery in the 'main' menu mapping and don't map the left analog to anything it might not? honestly that's already too complicated and non-obvious tho

shut escarp
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im pretty sure thats what i did

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it would not be hard to explain/do for a speed runner community imo

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they already have enough honor system aspects to the way things are handled/submitted

manic citrus
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I can't remember what other implications of this were when I did the gamecontrollerdb stuff, but that has long left my small brain

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and maybe it's only the automapper that causes it? maybe?

shut escarp
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tbf, all of this is addressed by going "only controllers attached via SNAC allowed for submissions" but i don't even think thats really necessary

zenith orchid
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I feel like I'm at my wits end trying to get this core to run. It only ever ran once for me last year and never again, only ED errors for me. 32MB RAM tested fine for 30 mins @ 150 (Auto,) reseated it, cleared config/rebooted, tried different BIOS and still cannot get it to go. Currently using the bios files from update_all

hot marsh
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what game format are you using?

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and where is it stored

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Does the bios boot?

loud tendon
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Playing FF9 and only got left speaker sound during the fmv cutscene escaping the evil forest where everyone gets petrified. Is it like that on a real ps1? Hdmi audio out.

tulip moat
serene nebula
loud tendon
tropic stratus
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Didn't notice any bug when playing FF9 PAL version, but it was on the previous release (Feb23). If you think this is a real bug, you can create a savestate some seconds before the cutsceen starts so we can try

loud tendon
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yeah not sure it's a bug, I would have to try it on a real ps1

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I'll look into it

hazy rain
zenith orchid
# hot marsh Does the bios boot?

No it does not, I'm not even loading a game yet. It's stored on my SD card and the game I will eventually try to load is .BIN/CUE

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Both the BIOS and game are stored on the main SD card

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Honestly I might try another SD card after work

hot marsh
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hard to say, bios usually boots first on later versions.

tropic stratus
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if bios doesn't boot you either have fastboot on in OSD or your bios files are corrupt/not existing. Not worth to try loading a game if BIOS doesn't start

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(or sdram is corrupt -> test with e.g. snes or nes or gameboy)

bitter lintel
ruby sleet
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Only missing some red circles and arrows pointing at things.

tulip moat
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Also stolen fanart and poorly photoshopped breasts.

bitter lintel
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the resemblance

zenith orchid
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Also the BIOS files are there, got them from update_all

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Tempted to just get a 128MB SDRAM anyway so this might be a good excuse

serene nebula
tropic stratus
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however, it will not solve your issue with the PSX bios. I would assume you have them in the wrong place then

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feel free to post the folder you use and the checksum on your boot.rom

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if all that fits, i would recommend to delete your saved psx OSD settings

zenith orchid
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Probably a good idea. Knowing my luck my SD card layout is just old and the cores are just looking elsewhere for the files

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My plan is to make a fresh SD card and use update_all to see if it works

hot marsh
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so weird question, is it correct the pre-dualshock ps1s can use dualshock controllers?

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since it did support the analog dual sticks

tulip moat
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The dualshock controller works with every PS1 game, but if the game doesn't support the analog control sticks or the vibration, then they'll be non-functional.

patent junco
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You can also use DualShock2 even

ember merlin
zenith orchid
frail storm
abstract drift
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oh really? that sucks

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i was hoping someone could port it back to PSX

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i could never get on with the way the first wipeout handles wall collisions

hazy rain
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Even with the lights off, this game is too dark to see

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quick gyro
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some psx games are very dark, i created a alternative mister.ini for such cases. you can change the output with following options:
video_brightness=50
video_contrast=50
video_saturation=100
video_hue=0
video_gain_offset=1,0,1,0,1,0

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but i dont remember what values i set, i guess its different for each TV anyway

hazy rain
quick gyro
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on your mister sdcard is a file calles MiSTer.ini

lime grove
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playing TGM on the mister is superior to the PS2 because the game has display issues with backgrounds and the game lags more when the music stops at around level 480

quick gyro
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if you want to change options just for the PSX core, for example you could write it as follows at the end of the existing .ini file:
[PSX]
video_brightness=50
video_contrast=50
video_saturation=100
video_hue=0
video_gain_offset=1,0,1,0,1,0

lime grove
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while that delay is more minimal with fast seek on+turbo

hazy rain
quick gyro
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you can also set alternative mister.ini files so you can change with a shortcut depending on what you want to do.
before you change anything its best to backup the working one, so can go back to the working one in case something goes wrong 🙂

abstract drift
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also bear in mind that 24bit color mode can often make things look brighter/darker than they should

hard laurel
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The Core is so good, I only fire up the Real Hardware to verify some things (when people suggest a potential bug report).

hard laurel
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I have found a new issue.

Euro Demo 40 (UK PlayStation Magazine) F1 '98 Demo. Is playing some weird Menu Music.

On Real Hardware, the Menu is silent with no Music playing at all.

slow escarp
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Not sure if this is known but in Rising Zan the environment in the foreground appears behind you. I don’t have real hardware handy to test but don’t remember that happening.

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patent junco
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It wouldn’t surprise me if this happened on real hardware, seeing as the PSX doesn’t have a Z buffer

ebon tinsel
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Also, do the strawmen use the sound of the bats from Dark Castle?!!

slow escarp
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Yeah I think so haha

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The game is pretty great. Some great over the top stuff. I love the singing ninjas.

ebon tinsel
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Yeah, it's really cool so far, just getting into it to mess around. Definitely going on the list!

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manic valley
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This was the godhand of its era

shut escarp
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dont sleep on fighting force (okay maybe do)

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ebon tinsel
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3D streets of rage, right? Sorta?

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Or like the pitch for it that ended up getting rejected?

shut escarp
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yeah

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its decent, especially with a buddy

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i played it more than i ought to have back in the day

ebon tinsel
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I'm curious for sure. I saw it on...something...forever ago. Maybe Sega Lord X?

manic valley
hazy rain
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Fighting Force, Fighting Force 2, Crisis Beat.

Fun early 3D beat em ups

hot marsh
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I really should try that and alundta

ivory verge
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Default settings , core 20230503 or the latest unstable 20230330 + latest unstable Mister main (20230719)

mystic flare
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so I started playing Point Blank last night

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it has an rpg mode

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it's incredible

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such a goofy idea

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wanna go somewhere on the island? shoot it.
random encounter? shoot that too.
legendary items? yeah they're called guns

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if you've got a way of playing it, even just a wiimote with a 3rd part wireless sensor I'd say give it a shot

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heh

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shot

frail storm
mystic flare
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I never missed a shot from lag with a wimote, just gotta aim right. with the wiimote, using the croshair option on the osd removes any confusion

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it just shows the wiimote isn't a 1to1 replacement as you're not exactly aiming at the screen.

more like dragging a cursor around

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still a great, cheap way of getting started

frail storm
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I guess some kind of bluetooth adapter for the MiSTer is needed, right?

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I have a WiFi adapter, but I don't think the DE-10 NANO has built-in BT

ivory verge
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i bought this

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quite enjoyable to play on wiimote

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yes, bt adapter is needed

frail storm
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I see...

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Thanks a lot. Can you recommend me where to buy that bar? Link where you got yours etc

ivory verge
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I bought mine on amazon , a lot of it is there

harsh shale
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Does the dolphin bar work? Like complete with pairing etc.

ivory verge
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i have no idea

harsh shale
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Looks like no, it would just act as a normal sensor bar

maiden forge
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Oh damn, I had no idea the wiimote method worked on the PSX core. I've gotta try that some day, there's a lot of light gun titles I'd love to try out on the system

serene nebula
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omg point blank has an rpg mode?

shut escarp
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yeah its really silly

mystic flare
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hit points, leveling up, all the jrpg greats

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and a legally distinct dragon ball z dragon

mystic flare
hard laurel
ivory verge
tropic stratus
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maybe random. Do 100 tests on ps1 and 100 on the core and compare 😅

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i think this is the first case of music playing when it shouldn't. Until now i can only remember missing audio

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(unless you count that bug in this football game where the CD XA gone crazy and played back the names of all players one after each other)

ebon tinsel
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@tropic stratus - any chance of looking into GV1 implementation on the PSX core? I know it's probably not interesting to anyone, so long shot. But after seeing @hollow stratus's latest video I decided to drop the GV1 BIOS for HyperAthlete into the core just for fun. DIdn't work, of course, but it also didn't crash. I got color bars (perhaps that's at the hardware level) making me wonder how much work it would be. Surely there'd have to be a dummy scsi system at least to translate the disc streaming, but maybe it's not too hard. I dunno. I'm all high level....this hardware stuff is magic and myth to me.

hollow stratus
# ebon tinsel <@640641777610522675> - any chance of looking into GV1 implementation on the P...

GV is basically a 1:1 PSX. I’m not sure what, if any protocols would be shared between the methodology that PS1 transfers data from disc vs SCSI. You’d need to move controls to a JAMMA style setup, but code for articulating inputs over JAMMA are all over MiSTer. Sure there would be changes but it’s not like we aren’t sitting on a couple hundred JAMMA cores. Otherwise GV uses the SPU same as PS1, which actually makes it pretty unique in the arcade world as many manufacturers went with their own chips

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Security is easy. Most dumps exist and I did the reverse engineering for that era of Konami arcade boards so I can hand write whatever is missing based on their checksum data formulas

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I should just download whatever the hell everyone uses to write the cores and bang my head at it until I fall over or make something work poorly 🤣

ebon tinsel
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Intel's website is maddening up front. To prepare you.

hollow stratus
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The only coding / SDK experience I have is for the 3DO M2 via MPW Lolol

ebon tinsel
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The code on Robert's github is Quartus 17.0.0 Lite for PSX (but it seems to compile fine under 17.1.0)

hollow stratus
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Well I’ll download it and poke. Maybe I can make a core. Maybe it’ll take two years. I’ve got the time

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And by make I mean junk code some fucked bodge

abstract drift
hollow stratus
hollow stratus
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I can start a new video series…”watch me do this wrong”

harsh shale
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That would be me making literally any video of me doing something

tropic stratus
ebon tinsel
hollow stratus
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would be fun as a proof of concept to try to get one game at least attempting to post. It will fail the EEPROM check until that would theoterically be included in code but hey...sounds like a fun thing to bang ones head against

mystic flare
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what would be the upper arcade limits of the de10?

summer sage
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roughly mid 90's stuff

mystic flare
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I mean motherboard revisions

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like namco system 22

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sega model 1 etc

summer sage
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it's a hard question to answer, becasue there's no like "power score" for a motherboard

mystic flare
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in two weeks I'll be playing a namco system game. a very rare one as of 2023

manic citrus
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to answer that requires actually doing some analysis

summer sage
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if you can re-use console code you could do some of the 5th gen based ones, but I doubt anyone will make arcades that are independantly as complex as a 5th gen console

mystic flare
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this is the arcade machine I'm gonna check out btw

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summer sage
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it requires looking at the cpu and memory and bus needs of each independant thing when it starts to get marginal

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that seems pretty fancy

mystic flare
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one of only a few left

bitter lintel
mystic flare
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in '94 this cost $230'000

empty yacht
hazy rain
hollow stratus
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Just finished editing; PS1 with double RAM and a Motorola 68000 chip that works along side the PS1 SPU for audio

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and a SCSI controller from NCR...the cash register company lol

meager parrot
thorny echo
#

i cant load several games after migrate to external ssd, please, help

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that game i played before works well, but any another game that i try to load, nothing happens

mystic flare
bitter lintel
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mister requires correct grammar. it requires perfection.

lime grove
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Question, is it possible to play 2p games with 2 guncons over snax?

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I wasn't sure how you'd even hook this up

shut escarp
lime grove
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Oh I see. Didn't realize you could do that

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and you wouldn't need a multitap right?

shut escarp
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You’d either need two PSX dongles or a multi tap

lime grove
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oh ok i see now

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cool thanks, i'm going to try and get a setup hopefully

shut escarp
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Highly recommend it. There’s guncon patches for every game except Area 51 basically

hot marsh
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Sounds more trouble than using 1 snac but I guess if you really want other console support and multiple controllers , snax is good

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Is SNAX standardized officially, or is it still a Mister Addons thing only?

final salmon
#

Gotta give thanks to Robert and all developers for the core.
Playing my old PAL Spyro 1+2+3 (with Libcrypt and icache fixes).
Got PS2 Free McBoot yesterday and .MCD memory card handling is so convenient. All my old games and saves working together, love it! Thank you ❤️

tropic stratus
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Great that you also enjoy PAL games just like I do. I only completed Spyro 1 on the core, but from the first few minutes the others also looked great. I'm not sure i would like all those minigame and talking stuff however.

final salmon
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I will play PAL most things. I do find it amusing so many people don't miss the old 5/6 music on older consoles if that's your memories. To each their own of course. I just stick with it, all I've ever known

ivory verge
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I'm not alone psx 🥹

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now I'm on the second disc in Wing Commander 3, I never finished it in the 90s

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and PAL rulleeezzz 😉

coral nimbus
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So you guys play PAL Games in 50hz or force it to 60hz? Depends if optimzed oherwise its too fast obv. I prefer NTSC because of the framerate no nostalgie about PAL anymore

abstract drift
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depends on the game and why i'm playing the pal version to begin with

final salmon
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I just go default 50. TV has issues with NTSC colour, but probably would do a 60 hack.

ivory verge
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i play 50 🙂

abstract drift
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like with wipeout i play it at 50 or the speed feels wrong to me

tropic stratus
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i just play 50hz. I don't mind 25fps at all if they are stable

coral nimbus
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Ok I switched around 23 years to NTSC never looked back

patent junco
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I kind of just transitioned away at some point, I guess when newer consoles started offering PAL 60 anyway

abstract drift
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it depends what consoles your talking about, i'm pretty sure on snes/genesis ntsc is almost universally better

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on psx its a bit more uncertain

coral nimbus
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Yeah but even PS2 didnt really have PAL60 at the beginning. Dreamcast mostly

patent junco
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A few GameCube games have it

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And Xbox lets you use all kinds of zany video modes up to 1080i at 60hz

abstract drift
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xbox is weird

patent junco
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Depending on what display and cables you had obviously

abstract drift
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pal xboxes max out at 480i60hz

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ntsc ones do up to 1080i

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easily fixed once its modchipped tho

patent junco
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Was about to say, you can with mods

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And yeah the right cable

abstract drift
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almost every single xbox game has a 60hz mode though, on PAL

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well, technically they all do just some act weirdly, the original halo being one

tulip moat
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Never grew up with PAL, so I never did get the hype.

A lot of these poor console conversions to PAL probably doesn't help.

patent junco
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it never bothered me, but yeah when it became trivial to play in 60hz that's what I started doing, ie with emulation and mods and that sort of thing

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as well as yeah when it just slowly crept in as a standard option anyway

coral nimbus
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They should have done it right from the beginning in PAL60. I guess no TV would have refused 60Hz more likely it was a color issue with NTSC

patent junco
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that is one thing that sucks about playing on a PVM now, you can't do PAL60 via composite/s-video, it straight up refuses to mix colour spaces and refresh rates

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or at least mine won't let you, needed to track down component/RGB cables for my old consoles

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big problem on eg. N64 with an Everdrive

coral nimbus
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Mhm ok didnt know that. I only own a Sony Trinitron Crt

patent junco
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consumer CRTs normally don't have a problem with it, or at least none of the ones I ever owned

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but yeah, not an issue that can't be worked around as long as you have access to something that just provides its own sync separately to the color space

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and that is one awesome thing about owning a PAL console, they normally don't need to be modded or anything like that for RGB, seeing as they needed to support scart back in the day

hidden prism
hollow stratus
loud tendon
#

Any trick for getting vibration to work? Using a Xbox One controller with the Xbox dongle. Controller set to Dualshock. It worked for a small period of time in the game and hasn't worked since.

jovial jay
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You can test rumble in mister menu/main (not in any core) by pushing X or Y (top two face buttons), the controller should vibrate

patent junco
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PSX PadTest iso is good if you want to test your configuration in the PSX core specifically, just hold L3 and R3 to rumble

mystic violet
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no need to go into the core

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oh duh - you wrote that

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😄

hallow shadow
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Why not PAL to get the extra pixels (576i at almost 20% extra resolution) and use 60hz hack. best of both worlds

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is the PSX core capable of that btw?

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a universal 60hz hack for all PAL games

jovial jay
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PAL 60Hz Hack: Runs PAL games with 60Hz. PAL Games will often run faster with this hack on. Screen height is limited to 256 lines in this mode, so some games might be cropped.

I think this just means the core is in PAL mode (region, resolution, etc) but the video timing is adjusted to NTSC. It won’t make 25 frames a second games run at 60, but I think they will run at 30 with this hack.

tropic stratus
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PAL 60 on psx runs with NTSC timings, so on a crt you will get 240p/480i with it. However, due to the scaler not needing as long blanking times as a crt, i was able to increase the visible screen area in this mode to 256p/512i via HDMI, so you can really get the best of the two worlds. In theory PAL can do even more vertical resultion, but due to the VRAM size and arrangement of the PSX, i only know of one game that actually uses more than 256 pixel height: vib ribbon

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be aware that pal60 is still a hack, as it will trigger vsync interrupts 20% faster than true PAL, so if a game is on the edge with processing power it might show issues like frame drops, stuttering or in the worst case even crash

mystic flare
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I know how to get pal60 on original hardware

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amazing acronym

still lichen
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Apologies if this is too specific for the channel: im trying out the Choro Q 3 English translation (https://www.romhacking.net/translations/1652/) on mister and the UI during races is replaced with some sort of debug output. Screenshots elsewhere show the proper UI. Does anyone know if theres a setting i need to change in the psx core, or if its an issue with the patch, or something else?

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ROMhacking.net
Choro Q 3

Everything should be translated to English, with the exception of just a few minor words (see "

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The translation readme does mention that the creator didnt test it on real hardware, i havent done so yet either

final salmon
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I suppose test the translated game you have on an emulator too. That would rule out no issues with the patch.
Though, if the creator noted a potential difference in how real hardware would handle it, I imagine it'd be hard to consider much on the core unless someone can (or already has?) tested on PSX hardware

still lichen
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Yeah, maybe ill burn a copy and test both ways, emulator and real hardware

tropic stratus
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i played this for a while, some months back, and didn't had this effect....

still lichen
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On your core? Interesting...

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Maybe ill try repatching first

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I grabbed it prepatched from CDromance, never had an issue with their stuff before but i suppose its worth manually patching before i give up

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Its a weird issue though, because usually when i see bad patches/patches that dont work on real hardware theyre truly borked

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Like wont boot or graphics are fucked

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This just seems like a debug flag was left on

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I ran update_all last week too, so my core should be up to date

abstract drift
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maybe check you don't have the setting on that exposes extra memory?

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guessing the game could be detecting it and assuming its on a devkit idk

still lichen
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Im 99% it was set to default but ill 2x next time i try

tropic stratus
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if you tell me what to do i can reproduce it here. Taking a savestate might not be helpful in this case, i rather start fresh

ivory verge
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" I haven't tested this patch on real hardware, because I'm too
lazy to unpack my PSOne and burn a CD. And since I don't even have
any working memory cards anymore, I didn't even thought about
it. If I ever make a v0.02 patch with a better translation, I'll
make sure it also works on hardware; for now, you should only be
safe by playing it on an emulator. "

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I think a lot of things can happen here 😄

slow tusk
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Seems to be the case a lot. "I have original hardware, but it takes too much work to set it up."

summer sage
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mister syndrome

mystic flare
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I have an rgb bypass and unibios for the NeoGeo aes that I will never need to do; because I have a MiSTer now

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it's for the best, even if I got the hardware, installed the mods, restored the controllers and replaced the capacitors. I'd still have to spend more than a MiSTer on a single game

final salmon
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Odd visual bug if anyone else could check they see the same.
Driver (EU)
Missing text on the "Driving games" list straight from the main menu option. Same on anaolg RGB, composite, and over HDMI.
Maybe a quirk of my INI settings? Setup to defaults, no hacks. But.... If I do switch 480p hack on, the text appears.

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Can't confirm on PS1 (only got PS2), but highly doubt it would be an issue.

ivory verge
ivory verge
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yeah , same

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propably realted with GPU timings

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GPU Slowdown option solves the problem

tropic stratus
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yes, it seems the gpu is too fast. either slowdown, 24bit or texture filtering fixes it. I will add it to the list on github for games that need more accurate GPU timings

ivory verge
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thanks for checking 👍🏻

tropic stratus
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funny, it's so close that copying a file over network is already enough to show it occasionally 🙂

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too bad i cannot do much about it

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slowdown mode is more accurate to the original GPU in the GPU benchmark test, but still not exactly the same due to the DDR3 being completly different technology than the original VRAM

final salmon
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Thank ye both very much for the speedy check!

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I'd never noticed the GPU Slowdown option before. If "On", is it closer to original hardware in general, or is this is a situation of edge cases either way so toggle as needed?
Certainly an easy workaroud for a very minor issue in this game. Just thought it worth sharing. Thanks

tropic stratus
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On is closer in general, but not tested a lot by anyone i guess. Typically games don't care about a too fast GPU, because they had to support 2 different GPUs with 3 different VRAMs due to models of the ps1 that existed

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so the path was to go as fast as possible, so we never end in a situation where it's too slow and lead to fps drops

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you found the 4th game now that shows issue with the GPU being too fast. So...the pressure is low i guess (for checking how well the slowdown mode works)

tulip moat
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I can imagine there might be a few more edge cases out there, just because of the sheer size of the library.

still lichen
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and the ram setting is at 2Megs

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not much to do in the way of reproducible steps, i just grabbed the patch (https://www.romhacking.net/translations/1652/) and a redump copy of the game, patched it with PPF-O-Matic, converted to .chd with chdman, and ran it

ROMhacking.net
Choro Q 3

Everything should be translated to English, with the exception of just a few minor words (see "

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not sure if this would violate any rules but i can PM you the exact link i used for the game files

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hopefully that's kosher since it's being used purely for debugging purposes

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also im using a SNAC adapter + multitap, not sure why that'd make a difference but trying to think of as many potential variables as i can

quick gyro
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Did you test it on a real Playstation yet? The creator stated in the Readme that he never did, so basically it could be that the patch does not work on real hardware and therefore everything is fine with the psx core.

still lichen
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PC is shut down for the night but ill burn a copy tomorrow

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But remember, @tropic stratus said it worked fine on his MiSTer

tropic stratus
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sorry, i was thinking about another game, i just realized when i wanted to try it: "Choro Q Wonderful" which also has a translation

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maybe i can try it later...seems odd the core would trigger a bug that makes the game be in a different state...

still lichen
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Yeah I'm curious if you can reproduce it

tropic stratus
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did you try the unpatched game yet?

still lichen
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Not yet, ill do that as well tomorrow

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That debug value seems to be some sort of in-memory value, it was only changing/incrementing when i pressed the gas

lost summit
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it is not present on not patched version of Choro Q 3

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ivory verge
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thanks for checking

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I will try to check it on the real hw today

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Maybe using turbo or some other option will also bypass this problem

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the most important thing is that the game in the normal version works well

still lichen
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But it is an interesting one

patent junco
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I guess if it works fine on real hardware though then you would want it to work in the core, that's really the only thing that matters in this case right? So I guess it remains to be seen

still lichen
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Yeah, I'll be interested to see if it works on real HW

hard laurel
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Its official... Robert's core is better than Sony's official PS1 emulator used in the PS3.

Euro Demo 54 - V-Rally 2, crashes on the Language Selection screen on the PS3.

Demo works flawlessly on Robert's PSX Core 🙂

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Did someone say Real HW?

I still have my Japanese SCPH 1000 set up so can still verify issues with a Game? Just need specifics as to what game, what patch and where this issue happens?

still lichen
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You can see the debug output in the top right of the first screen, and the middle of the second

mystic violet
still lichen
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I used a redump dump to test this