Sony PlayStation

[manic valley]

And do what ?

[storm barn]

1000 lemmings

[manic valley]

I feel like you would have to add multiple goals that each player can tackle on their own and collectively work towards the exit

Like one player controls the digger lemmings to mine for shit other lemming can use to achieve their goal ?

I agree but the gameplay would need a major overhaul .. plus you would have to expand the levels by quite a bit

The concept is definitely appealing though ..

[serene nebula]

OH MY GOD WHY SRE YOU SO SMART

Lemmings Battle Royale where everyone is a Lemming but one player can grant abilities to all the other players.

[vestal thicket]

But then is it really a lemmings game at that point or something different?

[iron abyss]

I’d be that lemming that just explodes to ruin it for everyone

[abstract drift]

There was a recent game that was lemmings ish

I think it’s called humanity

[shut escarp]

i gotta ask

whats compelling you to play this game lol

[hot marsh]

So I'd like to ask, is SNAC supposed to feel like 100% native?

I tried to do the following:

and the game isn't recognizing it on my original controller at all.

Funnily, Sega Saturn is super loose about this I usually activate it accidentally

I usually get it like 90% of the time on my ps1

[tacit fox]

Yes

[ivory verge]

I have not noticed any problems , works as expected

[empty yacht]

But the adapters should not contain any logic themselves and are in the end just fancy wires and plugs

I'd assume then them not working at all

[still palm]

It should act just like real psx. game should poll the same time, and controller should respond the same.

I would think if somehow the bytes of the controller were getting messed up, the bytes of the memory card would also.

[shut escarp]

I’m leaning towards user error.

That’s not an input you just mash out

[still palm]

what game is that? it looks hard to input the 3 diagonals

[hot marsh]

Battle arena toshinden

It's a super secret move

I discovered a glitch to unlock it

Usually you only learn desperation move if you play normally

Yup lol

I love it for the unintentional comedy

Like your character falling off a cliff while doing a win pose

Yeah Subaru with the big boobed ninja

Tgey redubbed it on saturn

Japanese has an ugly title screen

Pc has earthworm jim

But loses ps1's picture in picture effect

That port was awful

Sega really fucked over companies that wanted to make stuff for them

The camera angle was odd on saturn while ps1 was like yup real 3d

Yeah, game is pretty slow but virtua fighter was kinda slow on jumping too

But toshibden was not a great game

Toshinden 3 was solid

But man I was addicted to 1-3

Played it

Didnt like subaru

Anyway gotta sleep bb

Also sofia's japanese laugh lives rent free in my mind

[tulip moat]

Never got the hatred Battle Arena Toshinden gets. The first installment, maybe, but you can literally say the same thing for any fighting game series.

[slow tusk]

I don't know anything about it. It wasn't prominent in my circles back in the day. Bloody Roar on the other hand....

[shut escarp]

It was a bundle

Tekken 1 sold a good bit more, and is definitely the fighting game I think of for moving PSXs

And with the sequels the market made their choice known lol

Tekken 2, 5.7 mil
Toshinden 2, .6 mil

[foggy quiver]

I had Zero Divide as an import back in the day. It was quite innovative and good.

You can destroy individual parts of your opponent.

[kind ravine]

I remember getting toshinden at launch, people forget how impressive it seemed at the time, for about 5-6 weeks until Tekken launched. After that I never played it again.

[harsh shale]

I couldn't get into Tekken but BAT was one of the few PS1 games I was able to play (on bleem!) and enjoyed

[ivory verge]

Toshinden was great

Although I'm already having a hard time getting back into this game

[shut escarp]

(its not a good game lol)

i got a big chuckle looking at the reviews for toshinden 1 on the wiki page

lol lmao

[ivory verge]

Tekken 2 remains the best 3D fighting game for me

[shut escarp]

its weird to consider tekken 1/2 '3d fighting games' to me

because they're on a strictly 2d plane lol

but they were clearly in the dawn of 3d fighters

[pseudo veldt]

We have to classify the fighting games that look like absolute shit as something

To not confuse them with the beautiful 2d fighters

[ivory verge]

Ok then Tekken 2 is the best 2.5D fighting game for me

[abstract drift]

i think in tekken2/3 certain moves cause the plane to rotate

i might be thinking of soul blade tho

[ivory verge]

Soul Blade ♥️

[abstract drift]

soul blades maybe my favorite example of a game thats actually better on the core than real hardware

turbo irons out the framerate and makes it feel great

not every stage

[shut escarp]

reminds me I need to try SFEX2+ with turbo and/or 2x core

[abstract drift]

certain stages and even characters make the framerate drop to like, 27 ish

[kind ravine]

Toshinden reviews are a great way to experience how fast things changed during those early months/years. Remember being surprised by what was possible each time a new batch of games dropped, and the media was on the same ride as us.

[shut escarp]

i mean, and the fact that reviews have always been largely paid whether or not it's admitted

and we were just too young to realize that aspect

[serene nebula]

Going to play some Pop'n Music today!

[shut escarp]

nice

i've been ridge racin

i want a pop'n ASC

[serene nebula]

What’s the best Pop’N game for a beginner to check out first?

[shut escarp]

I don't know them well enough to say

I'd probably go a couple games deep just because the first entries usually have a very limited songlist

[manic valley]

SFVI BETA THIS WEEKEND !

[wanton crown]

Made my own pop'n music asc besides the case

[harsh shale]

I tried those at the Midwest Gaming Classic and it was really hard

All those buttons were difficult for my brain to parse

[final salmon]

Had a rumble controller request posted just now, moved to debug if anyone saw it. Probably a generic MiSTer request, though thank you PSX core and PadTest to help debug!

[halcyon ravine]

Hey guys - does anyone have settings to allow the PSX core to work on a computer monitor? I’ve tried VGA_scaler off and forced_scandoubler on. My guess is Something to do with the PSX having multiple resolutions. My monitor is native 1280x1024

[final salmon]

Have you tried enabling vblank?

[dawn wind]

Have to use scaler.

Doesn’t support scandoubler.

[serene nebula]

This game is fun! Works so great on the core. Love having no input delay, I’m good at music games again!

🙌🙌

[hot marsh]

So is it just a harder ddr with a finger controller?

[serene nebula]

Yeah, plays very similarly to Beatmania

[hot marsh]

Still resisting buying a controller for that

haha

[hot marsh]

So wondering, is the psx 2x core still being updated?

[serene nebula]

Probably not unless we ask very nicely for parity. But not sure what the 2X core is missing other than mini bug fixes for obscure titles.

[serene nebula]

I think it’s worth it only for the sheer amount of Pop’n Music titles available for the PS1.

[hot marsh]

So setup my franken snac and i cant delete data from my pocketstation

Is there like protection on it?

Data is 15 blocks with name dokodemoissho

The other pocketstation formatted well

[still palm]

you tried to delete in bios? was the game running on the pocketstation at the time?

[hot marsh]

Yeah. Took out battery and it is gone

So problem solved

At least my franken snac works

Although funnily, game is still there

Reports 15 blocks empty

[hot marsh]

Depends if i like snac enough

[serene nebula]

Yeah, that’s understandable.

[meager parrot]

yes. most recent one was a month ago: #1052672192900501534 message

[tropic stratus]

there is currently no change worth to be ported to the 2x core. The duke nukem CD audio fix was reverted, because it showed to be wrong. The only other change is the ressource reduction in the cpu and some fillrate debug option, you won't get anything from that

when there is any important fix, i will port it back

[serene nebula]

Ah you’re awesome! Thank you so much.

Love the 2X core. It’s the ultimate way to play Ridge Racer Type 4! ❤️

Oh you’re probably right. I use the PSX2X core to play anything that’s not standard. So I play that game in widescreen.

I keep the original core bog standard with filters and the 2X core is everything on.

[bitter lintel]

i need to put the 2x core on my mister

to cheat - like robby

[bronze pulsar]

@upper forge

RE: Castlevania Chronicles discussion in N64 channel

Its a side by side comparison of the two, it seems.

Can't speak for others but.. I've done all 6 loops multiple times on a XVI Compact and a PSX, both on an XM29+ and I can't help but notice a pinch of floatiness in the controls on the PSX port. It's not horribly damning to it or anything, but I do notice it.

That being said Im not going to recommend playing Akdra on the X68k core over PSX at this time either. You can turn off the dithering applied in the OSD menu to help some in that department.

[bitter lintel]

six loops? pleb numbers. robby's ran sotn sixty times today

[bronze pulsar]

But there are only are 6 loo-.. oh he's trolling.

I mean I cant respect Robby's efforts, the man is playing Green Hill zone in SOTN. That's just sad man.

[bronze pulsar]

@serene nebula what is your personal best speed for the Richter intro stage in PSX SOTN?

[shut escarp]

Gotta reset til you get 80 hp

[bronze pulsar]

I could steamroll it in 37 seconds flat.. but that was a long time ago. Modern speedrunners have probably gotten it down to ridiculous levels

[shut escarp]

The intro segment has been pretty set in stone for ages

[bronze pulsar]

Whats the fastest time?

[shut escarp]

I forget the exact number I just know it nets 80 Hp start. You basically speed run getting 45 hearts uppercutting into the secret room then kill phase 1 with a holy water crush, kill phase 2 with 2 of them

[bronze pulsar]

https://youtu.be/-XY-Ak5bWnU

Oof

Oh yeah, this tech wasnt around when I was doing it

Ugh did he just call him Iga-sama .. gross lol

[serene nebula]

what's wrong goddamn-kun

[shut escarp]

lol they have igarashi shield dashing

[bronze pulsar]

kun, chan, tan, or dono are acceptable

Dracula-kun

[dawn wind]

Would Cham-Cham from samurai shodown be Cham-Cham-Chan?

[bronze pulsar]

Sure, why not? She's playable on SS4 Special on PSX btw

"Soten" "igga".. yikes

https://media.tenor.com/kzDE492mV94AAAAC/new-game-umiko.gif

[nimble sand]

is there a google sheets for working & non-working games?

[serene nebula]

For the PSX core? I believe almost everything works.

[manic valley]

You all may only refer to me as sensei or senpai :.

[tacit fox]

Everything works. Caveats can be found here: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues

[hot marsh]

So I wanna play SOTN, is 360 port the best one?

I know saturn was terrible

[tulip moat]

I prefer the original PS1 simply because of the iconic voice acting.

It's not the same without the iconic Ritcher and Dracula scene.

[bronze pulsar]

Saturn has an improvement hack that makes it pretty good. The PSP and PS4 releases have a different playable Maria than the Saturn version, closer to her Rondo playstyle

[dawn wind]

Does the improvement hack fix the graphics scaling?

[bronze pulsar]

Restoration of translucency of many objects;
English translation of some elements;
Direct access to the global map;
Finalization of the global map;
Restoration of the original proportions of some sprites;
Removing horizontal black bars of the screen;
Skipping videos and dialogues;
Access to Richter’s alternate costume;
Reduced loading time;
Support for 4MB expansion card;
Added a HARD MODE;
Bug fixes

Main features ^

[final plaza]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3606/

Played and finished 200.6% on Mister PSX core. First time playing through and no issues. Game was superb.

[dawn wind]

Staying up late tonight.

[bronze pulsar]

What are the advantages of the PSX Doom hack over PC Doom hacks that use the PSX CDDA tracks?

[dawn wind]

It’s on PS1

[meager parrot]

Dr4gonBlitz makes me think "What if Trey Parker had become a Castlevania speedrunner instead?"

[bronze pulsar]

Im not sure what to think lol

Im sure he can play SOTN better than me I guess

What I do remember is the Castlevania fanbase generally having a bone to pick with him in the 2000s. I can specifically remember photoshopping his then clean shaven face/head onto the Haunted Castle US flyer's cheesey dracula. An artifact sadly lost to time.

[bronze pulsar]

I know that, I think we have crossed wires due to differing nomenclature here

[dawn wind]

That is the advantage

I can play it on my mister on my big ol’ crt in my living room

[bronze pulsar]

Oh okay, I get it.

[meager parrot]

hadnt heard of him until recently, i dont really follow speedrunning though

[serene nebula]

imagine jumping through so many hoops when you just could play it on PS1

couldn't be me

[bronze pulsar]

Dust off your PSP, that port has more content. Also on PS4/5.

[serene nebula]

ew gross, baby screen for tiny babies

[bronze pulsar]

You have a portable PS4? Somebody notify benheck

[serene nebula]

@bronze pulsar is the Saturn patch done? All that you wrote sounds pretty awesome.

[bronze pulsar]

AFAIK its done, but you never know. Its unlikely a full english translation is forthcoming, but since I dont need that Im good

[serene nebula]

how come you don't need that

[bronze pulsar]

Im fluent enough to not to, I always think stuff should be translated so more people can enjoy it though

[serene nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-fancy-nickelodeon-driving-gif-17797511

[bronze pulsar]

🧐

[shut escarp]

sounds like a disadvantage to me lol

[hot marsh]

So any easy way to mod 7.5v to ps1 snac?

Thinking of hollowing out ps1 slim and using a dc adapter as like v2 of my snac mod

[shut escarp]

Beat R4 with the Jogcon and it was super fun

[vagrant badger]

Do you prefer the jogcon or the negcon for R4?

[shut escarp]

i havent played with the NeGcon in a while, planning on running it back with that in the next few days

I think negcon is probably more intuitive/easier to drive really well

jogcon is easier / feels cooler to do sick drifts on, but a little harder to be super consistent with

i think if you turn off force feedback it probably makes jogcon a good bit easier

[vagrant badger]

Ah, i see thank you very much. I’m tempted to get one jogcon that’s why and I love the negcon a lot.

[abstract drift]

i think if you put enough hours into the jogcon it might have a higher skill ceiling

force feedback is literally giving you more data to act on than any other control method

[vagrant badger]

That’s why I wanted one jogcon actually lol because of the force feedback it seems great on such a tiny controller

[dawn wind]

My son woke up today and asked if he could play Parappa.

[buoyant plinth]

“Son, why do you taunt me so. You know this is a Vib Ribbon household.”

[serene nebula]

I got my kinds into Parappa thanks to Friday Night Funkin

[bitter lintel]

i fired up driver on ps1 and the damn resolution keeps switching from 480i to 240p or some shit and in between the intro movie and title screen and the game it keeps blanking out with vrr on. i thought the core was able to lock that in

i don't know, i had the settings for hblank and vblank on

[tropic stratus]

try "Sync 480i for HDMI"

[serene nebula]

There’s a black transition option and sync 480i djfjfkeodkdj he beat me

[bitter lintel]

i'm pretty dang sure i had that on

i'll check again a lil later unless robby runs sotn once and then checks it first

[tropic stratus]

i never tried with vrr, but normal vsync adjust 2 with that on should be fine. it uses 240p timings for 480i content

[bronze pulsar]

@serene nebula never answered my question about his fastest intro stage completion time

[tacit fox]

No way @bitter lintel is actually playing something! 🤔

[mystic violet]

he's playing with his snake

in the basket

[tropic stratus]

well, he picked driver, so he will not play it for longer anyway...

[mystic violet]

I actually loved to play Driver back in the day with cheats on

[bitter lintel]

what if i told you i'm watching a football match right now.....but my left hand actually was scratching my noble parts. you kinda hit a bullseye there vampier. BUT IT'S JUST AN ITCH!

now you've learned from your mistake and you will not mention it again

[bronze pulsar]

Oh, did mean plebeian soccer type football? Sorry..

[serene nebula]

Listen, I don’t want to flex in public. People need to feel like they have a fighting chance. I don’t want to take that away from him.

[bronze pulsar]

Spill, darling

[dawn wind]

Does clipping out of the stage on the first Japanese release when trying to show a friend how awesome the game is count as an intro stage completion?

[bronze pulsar]

Only if you call the director "Iga-sama"

[dawn wind]

I swear I had a weird buggy release. Clipped out of the intro stage and Richter’s flame whip item crash just didn’t work.

[bitter lintel]

robby, fire up driver on your cx with vrr and see if you lose sync. it's an order

[serene nebula]

I’m not home! 😢

[bitter lintel]

so. you went AWOL!

you will be court-martial'd

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-sorry-beggyuk-see-you-in-court-crying-crying-practice-gif-11847303

[bronze pulsar]

Gonna start calling you Bobert if you dont reveal that intro stage complete time

[serene nebula]

I don’t want you to be misled, sorry if I contributed to that. I have no record, BasketSnake just made that up and I went with the gag.

[bronze pulsar]

Oh, okay. But that was you playing green hill zone in SOTN?

[serene nebula]

Nope, was it a mod I linked?

[bronze pulsar]

https://media.tenor.com/YRLX-o7-FmIAAAAM/george-michael-sad.gif

[bitter lintel]

gag? is this a game to you?

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-eternal-rtx-rtx-on-gif-21776657

this is a game

[serene nebula]

The SotN jokes is that people just gravitate to that game with the PSX core. I get it, I did too, but so many people were like “I’m excited to play SotN” that it became a server meme and @bitter lintel ridiculed it. I joined in along with him because (a) he’s right and (b) it’s hilarious. So the joke evolved into doing “testing runs” for SotN because people were also heavily testing the core. And that’s where we’re at.

[bronze pulsar]

Is that the one where they butchered Mick Gordan's music?

[serene nebula]

Mick is a great guy and incredibly talented. It’s an unfortunate situation. He didn’t deliver the music in-time and due to legal requirements they had to release the promised soundtrack included in the CE.

Someone else did the mix (who is also very talented but is not Mick) and the situation just fell apart after that unfortunately.

[abstract drift]

i actually completed driver back in the day without cheats or anything

the last level was absolutely mental i swear they meant it to be impossible

[serene nebula]

@abstract drift which one was better Driver or Driver 2?

[abstract drift]

driver

driver2 got way too ambitious for the hardware

also, in either case probably a good one for turbo etc

framerate was atrocious

[bitter lintel]

just like the n64 is now good....since it's on mister.

or so people try to claim

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-crickets-chirping-silence-anyone-there-hello-there-gif-18512183

[mystic violet]

https://tenor.com/view/koolaid-koolaid-man-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-17649170

[mystic violet]

https://tenor.com/view/pinguman-surprise-pinguman-mikefoster-surprise-monke-surprised-gif-25977149

[shut escarp]

Try it on a CRT : )

Why would you run it through an OSSC if it’s going to a CRT TV

I don’t know why you say I thought wrong for suggesting it on a CRT… where it won’t drop signal

[abstract drift]

thats all only true in vsync2 mode

if you just enable vsync1 or 0 you'll get completely seamless transitions

no more lag than retrotink adds to do the same thing

the best you can do though is vsync2, sync 480i for hdmi, and have a tv that wont mind any of that

then you get instant transitions as good as ps1digital can do on a real console, and no lag either

[bronze pulsar]

Seems like this might be a problem that carries over to the N64 core as well

Hope that doesnt cause problems with scanline filters

ehh.. proper? I dunno.. I wouldnt complain if it was an option for some games though

[bitter lintel]

nerds. why aren't you playing nintendo games instead?

[bronze pulsar]

I keep trying to get these plebs to play more NES. But they wont shut up about their polygons and shit

[serene nebula]

I love the NES, I think that’s the furthest back I can go to have an enjoyable gaming session

[bronze pulsar]

Colecovision has a few neat things on it. That controller though

[bronze pulsar]

So I dont see this game mentioned much

But

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yghb_qgKrUo

Einhander is kinda awesome

[bronze pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWVnsgGTEz4

That other video had the jaggies smoothed out, this is better

[serene nebula]

Einhander is amazing

[bronze pulsar]

Cyberpunk shumps ftw

One of the games I actually had in the 90s, such great atmosphere and music

Perfect edgy teenager stuff, as all PSX stuff should be

[visual depot]

haven't played the game.... but

[bronze pulsar]

That OST is gold

[visual depot]

mmhmmm

[serene nebula]

Japanese cover so much better.

Also really cool you have the OST!

[bronze pulsar]

Wait, the obi is on

Is that sealed?

[visual depot]

it is. I have a rip 😛

[bronze pulsar]

Better get it slabbed

[visual depot]

If I can get a FLAC rip of the CD's I buy I try to keep them sealed

[bronze pulsar]

Makes sense

[bronze pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s76MJhy8B4&t=109s

I prefer unfiltered. Great soundtrack though. Toaplan OSTs shined on the Genesis generally speaking.

Zero Wing was originally just a training game in the Toaplan offices used to help employees familiarize themselves with hardware. It just eventually got polished up and released.

[dawn wind]

It’s not very good IMHO

[bronze pulsar]

There is nothing humble about your opinion, good sir

[tropic stratus]

the option has no speed, it forces 480i/576i to use 240p/288p timings, so there is not even a switch. If you still get a drop, it's from the changed horizontal resolution which uses a different pixel clock. It works fine here on my LCD display in vsync adjust 2. Tested mainly with chrono cross inventory. But yes, maybe it depends on the display. From what i heard it should also be fine on e.g. the LG OLEDs

using vsync adjust 1 however isn't that bad for lag either. You get on average 0.5 frames or 8 ms. But keep in mind that a 30fps game has 33ms anyway, so the difference is not that big. I use vsync adjust 0 only, because i can't tolerate drop outs on savestate load and those will happen on 1/2

[bitter lintel]

because you use it for testing a lot i guess

[tropic stratus]

this, and for cheating 😅

[bitter lintel]

but then you didn't experience the game as it was meant to

rabble rabble rabble they tooooook rrrr jeeeeeeeeeerbbbbb

[tropic stratus]

could be, but some games are just annoying. If there is a difficult section, i see no reason to play the 5 minutes before since saving to memcard again and again

[bitter lintel]

it's okay, azum. i know. i know.

pets azum

[tacit fox]

Disc 2, finally!!!! 🙏

[manic valley]

Mofucka it’s been a week!

[tacit fox]

Several months playing this shit. 96 hours until Disc 2 hell yeah!

Amazing game!

[manic valley]

Talk about getting yo moneys wurth!

[serene nebula]

My man has this view and he’s just playing PS1 RPGs?!?

The RPG is outside your window!!

[tacit fox]

😅

Feeling too old for outdoors adventuring 🙃

[serene nebula]

Holy shit, @tacit fox is the main hero of Final Fantasy 23 and he don’t even know it.

You’re training I get it, mad respect.

When you come to my village for a side quest I’ll give you a discount.

[manic valley]

Inspector Robby ovah here! lol but wait is that a castle back there ?

[serene nebula]

That’s what I’m saying! Dude likes in like Sarahsala Kingdom.

[tacit fox]

I can see Hyrule’s castle from here yeah

[serene nebula]

He’s the grand vicar of the royal throne

[manic valley]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-jordan-peele-la-dee-da-fancy-muffin-gif-17371232

[serene nebula]

Tomorrow he’s got materia fencing practice before he goes on an excursion in his airship

[manic valley]

Bro let me borrow a chocobo!

Gotta get to work

[tacit fox]

Unfortunately no chocobos in DQVII

[manic valley]

Dang.. Lol

[strong hatch]

dear god lol congrats

[woeful torrent]

It sure is. The only game I like more is earthbound.

[hot marsh]

Basically guitar hero without the buttons and bring your own guitar like thing

Also got the larger button controller and densha go

[paper carbon]

Choo Choo

[hot marsh]

Also Quest for Fame seems to have some garbage when showing some company's logo. Other videos I've seen don't have it

[hot marsh]

Issue occurs only in 24 bit

Strange thing with 24 bit is it does not end at the center

[wanton crown]

Ordered a 32MB sd ram but now it's TRACKED

we might get an answer to the MiStery soon

[empty yacht]

X for doubt

[hot marsh]

So since the core can set controller as negcon, what's the best non snac for it?

[shut escarp]

a steering wheel

[bitter lintel]

gorgeous oled but which game is it?

[empty yacht]

the honey, can we rearrange the tv to be not parallel with the windows?-waiting game

[tacit fox]

Dragon Warrior/Quest VII

And my two years old boy can’t keep away from that screen as you can see it lol

[bitter lintel]

i'm under the impression dq 7 is a loooooong game and pretty drawn out

[tacit fox]

It’s long. And I’m also a slow player. I took 100 hours to get at the end of CD1 lol

[bitter lintel]

jesus

i've got 7 and 8 on my 3ds with the ps2 soundtracks modded in. never played them

at least the ps2 soundtrack is for 8. i have some orchestral version ost for 7 too though

[tacit fox]

I think I will play DQ8 on PCSX2 on my Series S after I’m finished with this one

[bitter lintel]

i will take that series S away from you and LOCK YOU OUT from using any third party software on it

[serene nebula]

I’m no expert but I think people suggest to play it on the 3DS because of the streamlining of the intro

[bitter lintel]

if you were an expert of anything, doom eternal would be some kind of good

yet here we are...with a disneyland ride

i swear ... the joke is gonna be even funnier ten years from now when it's beaten to the core of the planet and dragged back out again

robby, come back. i didn't mean it

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-chuckle-hahaha-holding-laughter-gif-15462551

[serene nebula]

@bitter lintel LOLOL I missed the joke, just saw it now

Damn I walked into that one lol

[gilded trellis]

@tropic stratus I have opened a new issue but only curiosity, the game does not matter to me at all.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues/251

Probably cd related

[ivory verge]

#psx-chat message

old issue, I don't even remember if it was resolved

works with 8mb

[gilded trellis]

glups, i will try again with 8mb. thx

you are right!

Closed, thx

[ivory verge]

read whole story

yes, it should work 🙂

[gilded trellis]

I don't know, i don't have real psx with this game to test it

[ivory verge]

@upper forge starts here

#psx-chat message

I don't remember much about this case , I know it worked with 8mb

[tropic stratus]

it only works in pcsx because of a memory leak bug

but it works on hardware, we never found why

[ivory verge]

thanks 😄

I'm surprised that you still remember all this while working on various things

[tropic stratus]

the game asks the CD to copy data to ram and if you copy it, it crashes. pcsx does not crash because it copies to some unknown place (could crash the emu or do other random things)

no idea why the requested data copy doesn't happen on real hardware

if you want, you can keep the issue open, but i doubt anyone will invest the time to research what special thing happens in the CD part just for this game, especially with the 8MByte workaround

(i even wrote a DMA test in assembler to verify that the copy process is correct, but the DMA part is, problem is likely on CD side)

i think it's not useful to summon him without telling the whole story and knowledge before

there was quite a bit of research on this game in june last year

e.g. that all known rips of the game have corrupt sectors. Could also have an influence

[ivory verge]

works fine with xstation

#psx-chat message

[dawn wind]

Do we have an ETA on when YC will be in the main PSX core release? The yc branch continues to work fine, just curious.

[tropic stratus]

hmm? it is already, is it not?

oh, you are right, only the 2x core release has it

i can do it the next days

[pseudo plinth]

guys, anyone managed to run Masters of Doom - GEC - Besta V4, on psx core? I tested it on all official releases and nothing works, I know it's a Hack but it's pretty cool.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101161-gec-master-edition-psx-doom-for-the-playstation-beta-4-released-11162022/

[dawn wind]

Ran it just fine the other day.

Make sure you don’t accidentally dl the psp version

[pseudo plinth]

I downloaded it several times and it didn't run, it was freezing on loading, I already reset the settings, all other games work normally on the psx core

[dawn wind]

Hmmm I converted mine to CHD. Maybe that’s why?

I had no problem.

[pseudo plinth]

Yes, I'm playing final doom, only masters of doom that doesn't work and presents an unknown region message and automatically is set to us

[pseudo plinth]

I tried chd, but it didn't work,If you can, could you try to send it via PM so I can test it here?

Very strange, I will try it on my other mister that is not up to date.

[pseudo plinth]

Thanks to @upper forge,The chd worked.

[nimble sand]

best under rated psx games to check out?

[dawn wind]

Return Fire was fun two player

[abstract drift]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koudelka

[tulip moat]

Panzer Bandit is one of my personal favorites on the PS1

[manic valley]

Silent bomber

[hot marsh]

So I bought a broken PS1 slim and will hollow it for SNAC

Hopefully I can hack off the av port area and keep things flush

[foggy quiver]

Yoyo's Puzzle Park aka Gussun Paradise.

[hot marsh]

with regards to composite sync, I can just use the original adapter for guncon right instead of the one from SNAC? I use HDMI->Downscaler->Component->CRT

I didn't have issues with guncon 2

[abstract drift]

yeah

you can pull the sync from basically anywhere

[austere otter]

Motorhead

[random gust]

The King's Field series and Shadow Tower. You're not a true FromSoftware fan until you've played them.

But seriously, they are worth a look for many reasons, even if the first few titles look a bit primitive.

[pseudo plinth]

good recommendation for sadists, lol

I love From software and yes good games but difficult and gameplay that has not aged well I recommend King's field IV on PS2 e o Shadow Tower Abyss

My wish is a sekiro 2 and that From software revisit the classics and remake them with their mind and experience today

[strong hatch]

the first one, the japan only one, I thought wasn't that bad until like the last floor. But they have this sense of exploration and progression that the souls games also have, just in a much clunkier package. If you can stomach the controls, I think they are fun to explore around it. Beating them is pretty challenging though

King's Field 4 on PS2 is like taking the "lol you're dead" thing to the next level, it really throws everything at you from moment 1. Shadow Tower Abyss is an amazing game, I'm really sad we never got it officially released outside Japan

[abstract drift]

if you want some old from software thats not really stupid hard, the echo night series is good

more of a explorer/puzzler game, no combat to speak of

[tacit fox]

Finally found some NPC that was actually having some fun 😏

[hot marsh]

Got my beatmania controller. Dont really like the games but it came with nyan to wonderful

https://youtu.be/lEVgxEe2PzI

[random gust]

Yes, I think it's one of those rare examples, where the sequels really did keep getting better right up to the final instalment.

[hot marsh]

Is pin8 of controllers used by anything?

Thinking of just wiring the snac to the exposed pins of the memory cards (missing pin8)

Although problem is the ps1 slim has bad rusting or leak damage

[hot marsh]

sites say almost always never used

[tall rover]

The picture above is for PS2, which omits a pin. Off the top of my head I think that's the pin that is really only used in some lightguns.

[hot marsh]

so in theory guncon 1 is fine?

since that's the only gun I own

although I would probably just use guncon 2

[tall rover]

I know I found a page that has all the pinouts, I'll see if I can find it

[hot marsh]

i mean worst case, I'll just solder under the ps1 slim, which has all 10 pins

although the sides have weird leak/color

[tall rover]

Found it. There's a paragraph on pin 8 near the top of the page

https://psx-spx.consoledev.net/pinouts/

[hot marsh]

ah but no specifics oh well

I'll probably will just have to solder under

I mean I would be hacking off most of the mobo

and throwing away the heatsink

and gluing the cd lid

just for a nicer looking snac with memory ports

[tall rover]

Are you turning the PSone into a whole MiSTer enclosure, or just a SNAC adapter?

[hot marsh]

snac adapter

it's a really cheap broken ps1 slim

like insides look really bad

at least tested it would work by using a replacement ps1 front port

bought a rotary tool just to hack it

[serene nebula]

We’ll share your progress, I think it’s cool to have a PSOne being a whole a SNAC adapter

[still palm]

There are no unused pins on psx. That pin is normally used for justifier type guns, but it's also used for sync for guncon1 in the core. you can get sync elsewhere though.

[wanton crown]

32 mb sd ram will be received tomorrow

[tacit fox]

Hell yeah! Finally!

[wanton crown]

tomorrow we will rule out whether it was the ram all along or if it's the FPGA despite two totally different setups having led to the same glitches

[nimble sand]

This is very helpful!

[tacit fox]

Looking forward to the test results! Let's make this channel great again! 🙃

[bright yacht]

Anyone used a madcatz multitap on the psxcore via snac?

Got one. On the bios and on games without multitap support, it works fine. Can use the controller and the mc. But games with multtap support it's not working. I don't have a real ps1 console to try it.

[abstract drift]

some games only support the multitap on port2 iirc

are you accounting for that?

[bright yacht]

Yeah. An oficial sony multitap works. The madcatz one does not :/

[abstract drift]

maybe it really needs 7v?

[still palm]

do all multitap games not work with madcatz tap or just the ones that use the tap in port 2?

maybe try a port 1 multitap game, and don't have anything else in port 2 of snax(I'm guessing that's what you're testing)

[hot marsh]

So someone said NeGCon mode works best with steering wheels. Does it only work with specific brands/models?

I have a shitty wheel that I was gifted that works on the switch and pc

[bright yacht]

Tested with two games (CTR and Micromachines). Only snax port 1 connected. original tap works on both games, mad catz does not.

[still palm]

ok thanks for letting me know, I only tested original tap. I think someone else had a madcatz one, maybe I can remember who that was and have them test also.

[bright yacht]

Thanks. I'm going to try it with more games on the weekend

[hot marsh]

This laugh from that game lives rent free in my mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HHOMLNp2JQ&t=4s

Call Me Queen! that was translated as whiplash spin bleh

and she got nakeder and nakeder as the series progressed

i'm feeling fomo on pop'n music controllers

worst part, I don't have any controllers that could take its place on an emulator

all I remember is this guy with a pig and the the "angel" girl

and of course the big tit ninja that summons meteors

[empty yacht]

The proper arcadebuttons are available and getting a random controller playing mcu for the target should not be a provlem in 2023

[hot marsh]

I guess you could make one

[wanton crown]

no 32mb sd ram today, will probably get it tomorrow

[empty yacht]

Sure

I believe in whatever your local carrier is

[hot marsh]

Welp ordered the popn music controller fomo is real y'all

[serene nebula]

HAW HAW HAW

Welcome!

I didn’t want to nudge you to do it but I’m glad you did lol

[hot marsh]

Same one with box

The yellow looked kinda ugly

Still resisting the tambourine

[serene nebula]

Hell yeah, brother!

[wanton crown]

Tbh it's bad at high level on later pop'n music games but on ps1 games it's ok for the fun

[twilit wolf]

Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but how do I set up my saves or memory cards so that if I clear Armored Core, I can import my mechs into Project Phantasma and so on? Would this work by simply mounting the AC1 save onto the second virtual slot before booting up Phantasma?

Also, is there a way to set up a virtual 15-block card instead of having an individual card for each game (as I think it works by default)?

[lilac scaffold]

You can either place the bin/cue or chd files for the games you want to share a mem card into the same folder, or manually mount the other games card each time, or mount both games mem card manually and use psx bios to copy saves over

[twilit wolf]

Nice one, thanks very much! The first option would work nicely for the AC series

[lilac scaffold]

Could just manually mount one card and use it for all games, just it'll fill up quickly

[twilit wolf]

If I put all my bin/cues in the 'games/psx' folder instead of in individual subfolders, would they then all share a mem card?

[lilac scaffold]

Yep

[twilit wolf]

Ace, thanks

[lilac scaffold]

The auto mount uses the name of the folder the game is within

And creates /saves/psx/<foldername>.sav

[twilit wolf]

This is great, cheers! In that case would it be a dumb idea to group my games into folders of 10-15 (depending on how many memory card blocks they use)?

Just so I can have full cards instead of millions of individual blocks

[serene nebula]

Like the later games are bad or at high difficulty it’s bad?

[lilac scaffold]

The mem cards are 128kb each so no real need, other than the games that have functionality when they see a different game's save file

You can always copy saves between virtual mem cards via bios if you want to merge them later for any reason

But no harm in doing it if you want to see a bunch of save icons all together 🙂

[shut escarp]

like that controller wont hold up at high difficulty

[twilit wolf]

Ah cool - how do I access the bios? Sorry for all the quizzing!

[lilac scaffold]

Start the core and don't load a game, like turning on a psx with no disc inserted or disc door open

[twilit wolf]

Ohhh right, of course! I always load a CD as soon as I can so I completely forgot about that

[lilac scaffold]

You can go to load cd, then hold b + press a to unmount the current game image, then reset the core too

[serene nebula]

Oh yeah, not an issue for me lolol

[wanton crown]

Really no issues to enjoy the early pop'n music games

And clear everything

[serene nebula]

I jumped right into 9 buttons and I was like woah woah woah I bite off more than I could chew here lol

I’m in little baby 5 button land

[wanton crown]

Starting with the ps2 games the skill ceiling goes through the roof

[serene nebula]

Oh lord lol

I can believe it!

[shut escarp]

have you ever watched a vid of someone doing a hard song Robby?

[wanton crown]

Yea I started with 5 buttons as well, but once I got an arcade style controller I did 9 only

[serene nebula]

Nope!

I imagine it’s like playing a massive piano haha

[lilac scaffold]

And NP with queries around here, there's always folks happy to help 🙂

[shut escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5wFsvL9PI

[serene nebula]

@shut escarp wow! Really impressive the perfect rhythm and quick reflexes.

I imagine this is what DJ’ing will look like in 10 years lol.

[shut escarp]

you mean 10 years ago?

[serene nebula]

Damn already

[shut escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdFlFxJFnfY

[serene nebula]

Fucking awesome

I forgot about those audio boards. Our audio director had one and would do this stuff.

It was really cool to see.

God pop’n music is really similar

That’s awesome

[shut escarp]

i saw this guy open for DJ Q-Bert and the show was super sick

[serene nebula]

That’s badass man

[shut escarp]

you'll get a kick out of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx55YfmPejY

[serene nebula]

HOLY SHIT

That really drives the point home how much rhythm is in a fighting game. The timing of the attacks and the flow makes all the difference in the world.

@shut escarp I really appreciate you brother. Those are awesome videos. Thank you so much.

[wanton crown]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JAIgqlXcad0&t=2621

[shut escarp]

lol is he wearing a morph suit to look like the guy in the background

oh its just gamer gloves

[wanton crown]

yea gloves are really useful, but not mandatory. The best player in the world doesn't use any

I used to be a glove player but forgot to take them with me in Japan, and got used to play without them by now

[true sail]

Are games that generate the E# codes still on the most recent release being tracked anywhere? Should I submit a report if a game does not appear to have any obvious issues, but still generates a code?

[abstract drift]

probably not worth it if it doesn't cause any obvious issues, some of the E-codes are basically speculative, rob wasn't sure if games would trip them or it would matter or not

[tropic stratus]

the errors are just a heuristic, not the total truth that there is some error. Some codes show only the game does something weird and some games do something weird. If you don't notice any problems, it's not worth to report it. That is also the reason it's off by default: there are currently far more games that report false positives than real errors

[true sail]

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

[abstract drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiyNH1OnuWE

just keeps getting better - 60fps mode!

[hot marsh]

This was my old snac. Too cheap to buy a custom from that guy

Here is my current

Yes i am a monster. It also lights on when connected

[abstract drift]

heh thats fun

[hot marsh]

Someone on another discord was like no! Why do that for a device that might not exist after 10 years

[abstract drift]

didn't you build it out of a dead psone?

i mean, tbh who cares, they sold like a hundred million playstations or something

[hot marsh]

Yeah. It was weird of someone to gatekeep like that

Like really crusty looking modded ps1

Like acid leaked everywhere

That the bottom was stained 90% brown

[wanton crown]

PSIO firmware going open source is great news

but to be fair I'm no longer using my xstation nor psio since using the psx core

[hot marsh]

Wow it took that long

[meager parrot]

(it was hacked)

[hot marsh]

I did kinda want a psio for a slim but too impractical

And out of my skill level

[pallid quartz]

hey guys! a tech-savvy user here, but never used CHDs. wanna free some space up on my SD card.

• is there anything particular that I need to know to convert my redumps?
• are there any problems with using CHDs+ps core at all?

thanks!

[pallid quartz]

also, found this thing, it's cool!
https://github.com/umageddon/namDHC

(but if you know of other guis for windows, I'd love to know as well :))

[serene nebula]

Stop gate keeping gate keepers!

[devout nacelle]

no no let him give them a taste of their own medicine

[tulip moat]

From my experience at least, I've had no issues with using the CHD format using the PS1 core.

From what I understand the main issue is that there might be minor differences with how games load, since the CHD file needs to be decompressed. But I haven't noticed anything egregious from any of the games I tried, since games will just inherently load faster from an SD or USB regardless.

[pallid quartz]

Thanks! Right now, my Tekken 3 chd does not load for me correctly at all, but I'm going to recompress it and try again. A number of others worked fine.

Does it slow the load times for you? Should it, theoretically?

[serene nebula]

Tekken 3 works perfectly for me in CHD format so if re-compressing doesn’t work you have a bad dump.

As for load times, there’s a CHD compression method that’s better for that. I forget which it is, I think cdzla?

[abstract drift]

load times end up basically the same, you spend some cpu time but you win some IO time and its a wash overall

if you're using very high (dangerous) speeds like 8x on the psx core, then bin has a slight edge there

[tulip moat]

I typically use the Force 2× CD Speed and CD Fast Seek settings just for convenience. Seems to be a nice sweetspot in general.

[abstract drift]

yeah at those speeds it should be no different

[serene nebula]

Ah yeah that’s what it was

[kind ravine]

Cdlz is the one that’s heavier on the cpu, someone did some tests and found that only using the other two gave them better performance at higher disk speeds

The difference in compression size is pretty negligible

[pallid quartz]

I love you guys, thank you very much. Btw, check out that frontend, it's also nice. Amazing things that people can do with AutoHotkey, omg. 🙂

Btw, what other cores support CHDs? I was hoping for ao486... is there a list, maybe? 🙂

[dark mountain]

I've tried some previous versions of the frontend, it works correctly with 4-5 games to convert but fails when doing a whole fullset.

[pallid quartz]

That's unfortunate but totally believable...

[dark mountain]

I've converted my whole collections, but you need to do it step by step.

The multihread possibility is amazing though, doing 8-10 files at the same time.

[dark mountain]

I've tried with PCE CD-ROM², Neo Geo CD, Sega CD & PS1 on the MiSTer system so far.

[serene nebula]

I think every disc based core supports it, only one that doesn’t right now is the Saturn core but that’s WIP

I don’t use the front end, just wrote a bat file that handles recursive, dropped it my folder with disc images and it goes to town. Never an issue.

[dark mountain]

That was the final idea I've done, letting a recursive script doing all the job too.

[dawn path]

speaking of chd, the core doesn't seem to be handling them correctly when you use one for generating monsters in monster rancher 2

all it should be looking at is the minutes & seconds of the total cd length, 2nd track, and last track, in order to generate the main/sub monster type and stats

works perfectly using the original .cue/bin but converting to chd it only seems to be getting the main type

[bronze pulsar]

PS Classic Pad came in today, working great

[bronze pulsar]

Mm, Einhander has so many polygonal jaggies. Anti aliasing is truly a fools game

[pallid quartz]

thanks for the heads up, loved this game when i was a kid

[meager parrot]

do single bin and cue games not work in the core?

[manic citrus]

they do. there's one bug that one day I will remember to send the PR for

[meager parrot]

try to run the tetris grand master ZN-2 conversion from arcade, and it doesnt boot past the initial PSX bios screen

[manic citrus]

yeah, that's the bug. chd will work

[meager parrot]

drats. was hoping to do that for the next game challenge, but its a bit extreme asking folks to not only patch the arcade game but also learn to convert to CHD afterwards

[meager parrot]

maybe it would be a good teaching experience for folks who want to save some SD card space, with all the CD systems now on MiSTer or coming soon..

[serene nebula]

converting to CHD is easier than patching a game once you have the right bat file

for /r %%i in (*.cue, *.iso, *.gdi) do chdman createcd -c cdzl,cdfl -i "%%i" -o "%%~ni.chd"

[meager parrot]

yeah its super easy. i posted the full rundown in #game-challenge

[serene nebula]

Nice! I think you're right too. It'll be a great teaching experience.

Nice post

[meager parrot]

We're doing Tetris The Grand Master arcade to PS1 conversion for the next challenge, if anyone wants to join in!

[manic citrus]

I submitted the PR anyways, you can't stop me

[meager parrot]

hahaha bring it! 😜

[manic citrus]

although I am thinking of taking it back after seeing this is a score challenge

[meager parrot]

I quite like the idea of folks figuring out how to downsize their CD sizes through the challenge. Maybe I'll finally run through the Mega CD library and get everything chd finally..

[meager parrot]

the time results didnt make sense to me when i tried it. any insight on how that works?

seemed the ranking is entirely based on score so it made sense to use that

[manic citrus]

it's ranked by grade, and by time taken to reach said grade

so the 'better' GM ranking is the lower time

the grades all have a score threshold, with GM requiring multiple level+score+time thresholds

[meager parrot]

Sticking with score instead. Less confusing for folks than the time-based formula, and will also be easier to understand and record the scoreboard

[tropic stratus]

wow, didn't know tetris can be so complicated 🙂 Thank a lot @manic citrus for the fix!

[hot marsh]

So i have a cheap ass steering wheel that has analog pedals. I set negcon mode and pedals are digital only

I set them on mister menu for stick 1 down and stick 2 right

And typical way for negcon

Did i miss anything?

Pedals only work when fully pressed only. Windows reports full analog

[meager parrot]

I don't know of any other arcade to psx conversions.

[bitter lintel]

does this one have quickdrop i wonder

that's leetspeek among tetris nerds

[shut escarp]

yes

https://harddrop.com/wiki/TGM_Guide#Tetris_the_Grand_Master_-_Tetris_the...what.3F

[bitter lintel]

i've booted the game and i'm playing it but... no hard drop

https://harddrop.com/wiki/Tetris_The_Grand_Master it IS this game? it says it's got no hard drop

[shut escarp]

Oops, I forgot it’s only in like 2/3, my homies play way more TGm than I do

Majority of my time was doing the co op mode on 2 drunk on my mame cab in college

[bitter lintel]

https://youtu.be/zLgSYyDKs94?t=83 here's a replay of my session just now

[tulip moat]

The Tetris the Grand Master series is basically Tetris retooled for expert players. Like you level up much quicker, which means the Tetriminos will quickly pick up speed until they eventually drop on a single frame.

You really need to master how the lock delay mechanics work to reach the higher levels.

[meager parrot]

seems that spinning a couple times just before pieces land will buy a little bit of extra time, when things ramp up to ridiculous speeds

[tulip moat]

That's because when you rotate on the ground, the Tetrimino is technically not on the ground for a few frames, so the window for the lock delay will be briefly stalled. Though it's not possible to permanently stall with this tactic, as the lock delay frame window is still decaying.

This is a deliberate mechanic across the Tetris series to give the player the option to delay the lock further than normal, like if they want to examine their board for example.

[meager parrot]

I noticed it used heavily in the "professional" demo that plays in this one

seems especially helpful when things get to insta-drop speeds

[manic citrus]

'rotating to buy time' is a thing in the tetris company guideline rule based games. you will invite pain if you try that in TGM

[visual depot]

Don't let the art fool you

https://youtu.be/W62l4fvqfuc

Idk what happened to the front art but this game does not have anything to do with it lol

It's a breakout clone on acid.

[bronze pulsar]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYWNiNzdlOTM3ZGI4MGEyNmZjYjdiYzYzYmNiMDg3ZmM1ODQxN2RhMiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/BvkPT0dnsdtNAl9hWB/giphy.gif

^ one of the greatest moments in 90s PSX history

[meager parrot]

I tried the Japanese version of this but forgot the name. It's just a generic renaming so it would be more appealing to USA audiences when seen on a shelf. Definitely a crappy title, but they were trying to sell a genre that has not been trendy for a long time to a modern audience

Iirc it worked well with a mouse but support for that was stripped from the western releases for some reason

[visual depot]

The problem is the art does NOT help sell it xD

[meager parrot]

It's ugly and completely unrepresentative of the game, but for a parent looking to get something for their kid it bears a striking resemblance to children's novels at the time. Just marketing faff aimed towards the goosebumps generation

[bronze pulsar]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/d645c7d6-e506-43a7-9b0b-b951248c9db5/dev5cym-dd665ea8-53ff-4cfb-84cb-09bdb639e4ef.gif?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Q2NDVjN2Q2LWU1MDYtNDNhNy05YjBiLWI5NTEyNDhjOWRiNVwvZGV2NWN5bS1kZDY2NWVhOC01M2ZmLTRjZmItODRjYi0wOWJkYjYzOWU0ZWYuZ2lmIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.3oMZ9bYhpCz0D8gTvyxZsVprlItwPHGTMXfYGofmrUM

Kazuya was the protag for 1 game

[meager parrot]

Found it! The name was Prism Land Story in the original release, and it definitely only has mouse control in that version.. here's a video I recorded back when PSX was in beta:

https://youtu.be/k1mCn82liLA

mouse control worked very well there. will definitely need to give this a try again with the jogcon in fake spinner mode also

eww they even used that "art" for the title screen in the usa version 🤮

oh it supported the namco volume controller also.. maybe i wont have to use the fake spinner mode for jogcon..

[visual depot]

@meager parrot can you send me your wallpaper you had in that video

[mystic violet]

and psio is open source for those who care

[tacit fox]

who cares? 🙃

[wanton crown]

me

so I can sell my PSIO without passing my email and password

[tacit fox]

lol

Got RAM, btw? 🤔

[wanton crown]

probably tomorrow, this week end and monday were non-working days in France

[tacit fox]

Geez

[wanton crown]

meanwhile I've been playing Time Gal

great game

wish we had better laser discs emulation

[mystic violet]

for the PSX?

not gonna happen

[serene nebula]

Probably means like a Daphne core or something along those lines

Which would be pretty awesome

[mystic violet]

why does #1056033525922537542 and #1046940919607345272 exactly the same conversation going on?

[wanton crown]

no of course not on the psx lol

[mystic violet]

it's a Sony

don't you guys think it's weird that MSX/PSX/MSXbox are all tributes to the MSX in the name?

it's because the MSX is more epic of a system than most think - just because you saw a crappy ZX spectrum port running on the MSX it doesn't make you an MSX expert

[wanton crown]

all I know of MSX is the first metal gear

and that I'm not spending thousands of $ on real hardware to play Time Gal on it since it's not very durable when it comes to vhd it seems

[pallid quartz]

hey, quick question. should multi-cd games go in one folder? wanna finally play some ff7.

[meager parrot]

yes

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer#multiple-disc-games

see the note about disc open/closed option that some games will need you to toggle

[meager parrot]

in the wallpapers thread here:
#875889307007725598 message

that one is fun. I like how link is mimic-ing the ace attorney's "objection!" pose

[visual depot]

I didn't know that thread was a thing... neat

[hot marsh]

So do y'all play on CRTs or just filter it out on HDMI?

I played FF8 and man it looks rough on HDMI

[bronze pulsar]

Just embrace the jaggies

[hot marsh]

buh mah nostalgia lol

sucks that widescreen makes the game act weird when like exploring but it's funny to see the offscreen characters

[serene nebula]

I use filters on hdmi

I do enjoy the jaggies though

[bronze pulsar]

Anti aliasing and blur are for N64 kids

Be an edgy PSX teenager

[hot marsh]

I mean, it is part of the charm of old school games

[bronze pulsar]

Embrace the jagged EDGES

[hot marsh]

I could never enjoy the blurred look of n64 even on a crt svideo

[serene nebula]

https://youtu.be/FIonDlx6MSY

[bronze pulsar]

A basic interpolation filter can do this

[bright yacht]

Jap version supports the Namco Volume (negcon) too.

[meager parrot]

Can JogCon be used for games that support that? If so, in what mode?

[bright yacht]

Yes! With the adapter it will output as paddle and spinner at the same time. Core supports using a paddle as negcon. Select negcon mode inside core then rotate the paddle (jog) to both sides for the core to detect and use it. You can also use paddle mode on the adapter to limit it's rotation.

Jogcon can also be used directly via snac and booting by holding down the mode button. It will be in negcon mode. This mode is not the best one as it does not have the rotation limiter.

[wanton crown]

GOT MY 32 MB SD RAM

Tonight the MiStery should be solved hopefully

[empty yacht]

You are feeling ill and should leave work early

[meager parrot]

cool I'll try both ways with it. i didnt realize the namco paddle controller basically used the negcon mode. pretty neat!

[wanton crown]

⚠️ Testing the ram right now ⚠️

Clock Tower launched

✅ CONFIRMED : it was the ram all along, not the FPGA boards. Can't reproduce the issue with the 32 mb sd ram sticks.

now what I don't get is how two sticks of 128 mb sd ram sticks led to the same glitches, while always passing ram test, and nobody with 128 mb sd ram ever reproduced it. iirc chips were literally the same...
oh well I guess I'm good to buy 128 mb sd ram sticks again if I ever need to.

For anyone interested in this almost 5 months long adventure, here is a summary of the issue I had on two different FPGA boards with two different rams :
#1046940919607345272 message

[quick gyro]

What a journey of the never arriving ram it was 😅

[still palm]

wow finally figured it out. I think i called that since the problem started for you with a build that had a ram change. and you bought the ram at the same time from same seller iirc

[bitter lintel]

and the friends you made along the way

[wanton crown]

yes it was a great adventure, to the point where I couldn't post here anymore without people asking on updates on the matter

[wanton crown]

indeed

[ivory verge]

Great that this case has been cleared up 👍🏻

[shut escarp]

Now put the old ram back in and see if it still does it

[wanton crown]

please no, of course it will lol

it seems to have fixed my random graphical issues with street fighter 2x as well

[serene nebula]

Where did you get your ram where you had issues?

[wanton crown]

misterfpga.co.uk

but the 32 mb sd ram come from them as well but of course it's different chips

[serene nebula]

Ahhh ok

[wanton crown]

the 128 mb sd ram chips were ALLIANCE chips labeled 2020 TWN, which differ from most people, so who knows

[tropic stratus]

strange, i also have those 128mbyte modules

can't think of any reason why 99,99% of the time it works

however, the sdram controller change mentioned in the core was the access mode. The chip is kept on the same active page for several accesses, while before it was reopening the page for each access

either the page size is different for the chips you have, but i cannot imagine that being such a "minor" effect, or leaving the page open for longer doesn't work for some reason? no idea

wasn't there also some problem with one of jotegos cores and special sdram modules in the past?

[serene nebula]

there’s a problem with the Raizing core and SDRAM modules now 😢

[timber veldt]

Works fine here

[manic citrus]

then you have sdram that doesn't have the issue

[serene nebula]

Send me your SDRAM please lol 😢

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Raizing_MiSTer/issues/17

[manic valley]

RAIZING

https://tenor.com/view/california-raisins-dancing-funny-wink-gif-13771747

[wanton crown]

did you try the guy's suggestion with the jumper near the fan ?

anyway, these sd ram issues are intriguing

[serene nebula]

I’ll try giving that a shot. I don’t have a fan though. Waving it away as SDRAM issue in that thread when literally everything else works correctly leads me to believe it’s a core timing problem and not the ram.

Which brings me back to @tropic stratus previous post. The issue with Jotego’s core in the past was bad timings on his end and not SDRAM issues.

[wanton crown]

even with 32 mb sd ram I can still get the glitches with street fighter 2x when launching the game quickly AND navigating to it through default menu

[serene nebula]

Too aggressive not allowing for any natural deviance. I think that was the problem?

if my MiSTer can run the PSX core without issues for hours on end, it’s not my SDRAM lol.

I know that isn’t a 1:1 comparison but it’s certainly a far more complex core that my build is handling fine.

[tropic stratus]

the sdram design of psx IS on the edge. We drive it with 101mhz at CAS latency 2. Sorgs comment about it: "// 2 for < 100MHz, 3 for >100MHz"

[serene nebula]

it’s a credit to your skill, I rarely if ever hear about SDRAM related issues on the PSX core

[tropic stratus]

but there is not much we can do about. We must compensate for our sdram being 16bit and not 32bit wide like in the real psx

so we are about 1% above spec for the sdram, but i doubt it's the reason

we could easily try by reducing the overall frequency of the whole core to e.g. 30mhz, so the sdram only runs at 90. if it works then, it's clear

but not today, good night 🙂

[manic valley]

Buenos nachos! ( Spanish for goodnight )

[wanton crown]

おやすみなさい

[tacit fox]

The ram module creator is the glitch 🙃

[tropic stratus]

Sorry for being lazy the last weeks, PSX and PSX2x release are now both up to date

[serene nebula]

Awesome, thank you! Do you have a link available for the 2X core?

[tropic stratus]

https://github.com/RobertPeip/PSX_MiSTer/tree/main/releases

[tulip moat]

So I guess any updates are finished for now?

[tacit fox]

Yep. Nothing to see here. Please move to the N64 channel, folks! 🙃

[hot marsh]

Cant wait for 3x core

Maybe toshinden 3 in 30fps mode can reach 60fps

[arctic trail]

Sorry if this has been addressed already, but can't run TGM conversion anymore. Anyone have a clue?

Hm, what does that mean? 😄

Do I need to convert to chd?

I C ^^

[serene nebula]

@arctic trail chd is so awesome, really helps cut down on storage space with literally no downsides!

[slow tusk]

One downside

[serene nebula]

It’s him I’m rocking a 512GB sd card with literally every disc based game I could ever want.

[slow tusk]

Can't utilize it on original hardware with Xstation or MODE (yet?)

[wanton crown]

It was good while it lasted. I'm jumping on the n64 train

I can take bets that Robert will have a roughtly stable core allowing pokemon stadium with transfer pak support before Nintendo even does on their NSO emulation service

[shut escarp]

NSO never gonna have support for that lol

[wanton crown]

That would be my bet as well lol

[shut escarp]

i really should get a transfer pak... my old red/blue carts still have my saves

[wanton crown]

I'm not using it anyway, I have real hardware

Yea you should it's great

[shut escarp]

gotta get the mario golf chars unlocked

[wanton crown]

Had to clean the contacts with ipa and contact clearner though to get it perfectly working so beware

Worst case scenario scraping the contacts could be necessary

[wanton crown]

But yea lots of posts about transfer paks being finicky but it's mostly easily fixable. But that's something emulation fixes and hopefully we'll one day get it on mister

[strong hatch]

the one time I used one I remember it being a bit finnicky for sure. I have a mostly unused one I picked up recently when I bought a boxed copy of the original japanese stadium release, haven't tested it out yet though

from my understanding there's no region locking or anything for transfer paks, just the n64 game itself determines whether or not what you're inserting is the correct game

[wanton crown]

yes

just beware that pokemon stadium requires a pokemon gameboy cartridge of the same region

after cleaning my transfer pak I tried to play for a good half hour wiggling as much as I could the transfer pak from the controller, absolutely zero disconnection

weirdly enough when I came back from Japan I brought a pokemon black 2 (nintendo DS) cartridge and it would refuse to boot no matter what I did. Cleaning with IPA and a contact cleaner just made it barely readable, had to very lightly scrap the contacts to get it finally boot 100% of the time

[manic citrus]

convert to chd, but the single bin will be fixed next release of main

[arctic trail]

Yeah it worked, so all good now 🙂

[lilac epoch]

Quick Q - I get a brief screen flicker during the boot sequence. Sony logo with white BG fades, PS logo with black BG appears, and then a real quick black frame flickers in. Is this expected (real hw?), normal behavior of the core, or something funky with my settings? Thanks!

[frail storm]

It's "Buenas noches", actually XD

But your "buenos nachos" version is something I have noted and will use in the future

[manic valley]

Lol glad somebody got the joke, feel free to use and spread it like a wild fire

[abstract drift]

see if you've got the black frame transition thing enabled

sorry i can't remember the exact name, it hides the single frame of garbage the scaler generates when swapping 480i/240p

[hot marsh]

So Guntu Western Front no hack for guncons right?

Like it's a shooter style game without gun support

[shut escarp]

It has guncon support natively

(It also sucks real bad)

[hot marsh]

ah so I guess the datacenter site I read was wrong. It said standard controller only

[lilac epoch]

Thanks! Enabling Fixed VBlank did it!

[serene nebula]

Here’s an interesting PS1 game for y’all to check out - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OgpAEEsX_KI

It’s called ZigZagBall and it’s a weird miniature golf game.

[meager parrot]

the most recent build for 2x there is listed as March 4th. That's the same as the previous release. Was it updated with the same name?

[tulip moat]

Okay so I'm not the only one confused by that.

[tropic stratus]

no, 4th march is the most current version. All changes after that are only cosmetic and don't change the functionality, so it doesn't matter, the build is still up to date

the non-2x version before was older

[hot marsh]

I wonder do you guys default to 2x core or do you use it if you really want a specific game?

[tulip moat]

I normally use the dual RAM build mainly for slightly more accurate audio, but I do sometimes experiment with the 2X CPU core if I want to try and squeeze out a stable 30FPS or 60FPS in certain games.

[rancid anchor]

anyone happen to know if tales of destiny 2 is working? my version of it all of a sudden stopped booting (it's a dump of my personal copy, single bin so doesn't match redump, downloading a confirmed good dump right now to test)

though recently I had the same thing happen with Symphony of the Night, my own dump stopped booting, but got a redump verified version and it works fine

(also have made sure fastboot is not enabled, no "unstable" options)

[manic citrus]

are you running unstable main?

[rancid anchor]

no, this is the official release (I also tried the 2x cpu version out of curiosity, same thing there)

[manic citrus]

I don't mean the core, I mean mister main. I suspect the answer is no if you have no idea what I mean

[rancid anchor]

oh, no that's official as well, I haven't run the psx updater in a while (the one that updates to unstable main and grabs the latest psx core)

redump verified iso boots fine, strange

ran a diff on the files, redump 1st track is identical but shorter (makes sense) and track 2 of redump is just empty, so they're exactly the same

cue file also looks correct

ah well

[manic citrus]

put the cue file here. there were changes to single bin, and there was one in a very recent update to unstable main. so that's why I'm trying to figure out exactly what you are running

[hot marsh]

So stable mister is still the way to go right? for psx

I think people on Saturn are using the unstable

[tulip moat]

Actually the latest stable build also supports SEGA Saturn.

[manic citrus]

unstable is fine. there might be a bug with single bin cue files, which is what I'm trying to determine now

[rancid anchor]

my cue is: FILE "disc1.bin" BINARY TRACK 01 MODE2/2352 INDEX 01 00:00:00 TRACK 02 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 INDEX 01 49:49:25

I guess the only real difference there is the pregap (oh wait, looks like there is a pregap in the working, just under a different notation)

compared to the working: FILE "Tales of Destiny II (USA) (Disc 1) (Track 1).bin" BINARY TRACK 01 MODE2/2352 INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "Tales of Destiny II (USA) (Disc 1) (Track 2).bin" BINARY TRACK 02 AUDIO INDEX 00 00:00:00 INDEX 01 00:02:00

[pallid ibex]

@distant lynx Hey flynn I found old thread in the psx-archive where you were converting avi's to SRT then using "buildcd" to iso them with psy-q. I'm starting down that road myself so I can attract mode some random simpsons episodes on the crt. Hows that chain holding up? I saw there is another SDK out there other than psy-q called psn00bsdk, as I know nothing and am just starting I wanted to ask you about it. Have you tried psn00bsdk and does it eliminate having virtual XP machine building the isos?

[distant lynx]

@pallid ibex I posted all my notes in here somewhere. I did not try psn00bsdk. I was using that XP Virtual machine that is mostly setup from psxdev, I had to make a small change to it for it to compile. Let me see if I can find my notes. My job has taken over my life right now. I will free up sometime in the summer.

@pallid ibex in case this helps... #1046940919607345272 message

[bright perch]

Redump (bin/cue disc images produced from DiscImageCreator or redumper) doesn't use that PREGAP notation in cuesheets (the working one you posted matches Redump) http://redump.org/disc/2710/

[pallid ibex]

That's awesome dude, understand how life happens sometimes 🙂 Will definitely dig through your notes. Thanks for thinking of others!

[wanton crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148534671985082368/1103730450360455178/vlc-record-2023-05-04-19h07m29s-Timegal.mp4-.gif

wish this game was less compressed on PS1. Wish one day we'll have proper laser disc games emulation

[bronze pulsar]

The MegaLD version is 240p rather than 480i too

The compression on STR is pretty heavy. Its not as bad as cinepak but its not great.

[rancid anchor]

the one with PREGAP was my own personal dump, that worked fine up until just recently

[wanton crown]

oh really ? thought it was 480i, very interesting

I'm very curious as to how significant the difference would be

[bronze pulsar]

MegaLD (and I think also LDROM) are 240p due to some limitation. The arcade versions are 480i Im pretty sure but maybe someone more knowledgable can clear that detail up.

[wanton crown]

I've seen people stating that MegaLD was "arcade perfect" but it seems it's not, not even the same button sequences. In PSX version, you can choose which version you actually want to play

If arcade version only is 480i that makes it even more desirable but of course it's impossible to come across

[bronze pulsar]

Time Gal and Badlands are my favorite LD games

I need to check and see if the MSX Laserdisc port of Badlands is 240p

[wanton crown]

do you happen to have those ? I'm looking for a time gal copy on mega LD. But given that it's still 240p... I feel it's no longer that worth it but I still want it lol

I hope one day RF captures of those will allow gameplay on ODEs (I know of the daxter one) / emulators

[deft sphinx]

Speaking of Laserdiscs I came across a bizarre scene today...

[bronze pulsar]

Aww..

[deft sphinx]

No idea how two Japanese Karaoke Laserdiscs from 1995 wind up smashed up on a sleepy side street in Scotland in 2023...

A real mystery

[manic valley]

Im on the case ..

https://tenor.com/view/detective-daffy-investigate-police-looney-tunes-gif-17130539

[tender hemlock]

I've got the PSX snac adapter from https://misterfpga.co.uk/product/mister ... x-adapter/ and I can't get the composite port to work with my official gcun. Plugging in the RCA won't supply any sync at all. I've tried on multiple CRT's and always the same experience. Confirmed gun is working correctly and if using a CRT with component I can tap into the green rca and the gun works perfectly through snac but sync directly from crt. Obviously I can't do that on my preferred SCART Loewe CRT. All other PS1 controllers work through the snac, the composite port just won't deliver sync.

Has anyone else experienced this? Hopefully something simple I'm doing wrong.

[hazy meteor]

Aw whereabouts in Scotland?

[deft sphinx]

Edinburgh

[heady tulip]

Boo to Edinburgh

theres a retro club that meets every month in Edinburgh

[heady tulip]

?

[still palm]

there's a jumper on io board near user port that needs set to io6 or guncon won't sync.

[lusty knot]

spent a weekend there! drove in from Aberdeen. lovely city

did a PS2 480i capture from a GBS-C and was pretty impressed by how 480i looked like 480p

https://streamable.com/up35p3

[deft sphinx]

Oh, are there others in Edinburgh in the Discord?

[lusty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/irubru-bru-scottish-scotland-orangedrink-gif-9584540

oh no. Texan! just went to Aberdeen a lot for a while

but I do adore my highland cooo's. 🙂

that's a 90's emo version. 😄

I like the shag carpet ones 😄

[meager parrot]

prairie walrus in its natural habitat

[deft sphinx]

There can be only one...

[oblique frost]

Just head toward all the monument made of every forgotten console

under the tallest tree

you will find moondandy

[deft sphinx]

Balgreen, just at the edge of Murrayfield. I grew up in Corstorphine . What part of town you in?

Ah nice, where in Fife are you? All my family are from the East Neuk and around St Andrews

You doing OK? or you just mean Scotland/World in general gone to hell?

Oh yeah, prices are insane here

We do have a pretty good arcade bar on Lothian Road now btw if you haven't seen it

Cramond is nice, used to like walking along the coast there

NQ64, is a small chain opening spots in the UK. Nice selection of arcades, done up like it is something from Hackers or an early 90s film. Best part is it is open until 3am every night and has a bar, so good place to go in town after the pubs close

Oh yeah, it seems to do really well. It's quite bizarre, as it's always full of people in their teens and early 20s.

I think it does well at the weekends as it is next to that Club Tropicana place which has huge queues outside so people give up on that and try out the arcade bar instead. Took us awhile to figure out why an arcade bar was full of groups of attractive young women, but think that must be part of it.

It's bizarre, I assumed it would be just a bunch of beardly middle age men in there and some geeky guys but it's full of young people

I guess arcades have become trendy again because of Stranger Things etc. They all seem to love playing the old arcades though, so good to see

God, is that still around?

Last time I was in there was about a decade ago and looked at their collection of overpriced, faded Master System games and wish I hadn't bothered walking all the way down there and now had to walk all the way back up

That area is getting gentrified so quickly he if does he'll be quids in when he sells

Those would be some cold flats down by the shore as well

As trendy as people make Leith out to be, there are still Begbie characters kicking about

Oh yeah, and they wanted to make it even taller but were shut down, it will just be an eyesore

[serene nebula]

Y’all are Scottish?

[bronze pulsar]

Ach aye

[serene nebula]

You’re not Scottish

[bronze pulsar]

checks last name

Hm.

I'll leave whether I'm Scottish or not up to @deft sphinx

[tender hemlock]

Thanks very much. Does it impact anything else?

[still palm]

Genesis - start,C. saturn. nes/snes 2p.

[hot marsh]

Lowered sensitivity on my cheapo wheel and games work well. Now to figure out how to make gas and brakes analog too

[hot marsh]

Can i use a wiimote-> guitar hero for guitar freaks?

[serene nebula]

[hot marsh]

Guess i can check later but so lazy

On some level, i kinda wanna buy those guitar hero live controllers

Since it is cheaper than the wii ones

Thankfully still have mine

[hot marsh]

Setting it up is a mess since wii controls overlap in weird places. Using the beatmania controller behaves wrong

Like beatmania is supported but only 1 line lights up

Might end up just emulating or buying the controller

Is there any way for 2 controllers to be used as 1 on this core?

[wanton crown]

don't think so

just ordered the latest 128 mb sd ram stick revisions, hopefully I won't have the same issues as the previous ones.
32 mb sd ram being unfortunately not enough for neo geo and saturn

[tacit fox]

Is v3.0 available anywhere?

[ivory verge]

https://ultimatemister.com/product/xs-d128/

https://misterfpga.co.uk/product/mister-sdram-128mb-module/

[tulip moat]

So what exactly is the difference between the 2.9 and 3.0 revisions?

[ivory verge]

Post by Sorgelig » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:17 am

SDRAM v3.0:
There are no functional changes. Added more grounds. If you already use v2.9, then no need to upgrade.

[tulip moat]

Okay so I can just ignore this.

[wanton crown]

yea ignore the update. I'm taking 3.0 ram from misterfpga.co.uk because my previous 128 mb sd ram doesn't work as intended

[hot marsh]

Anyone own a programpad? Does it really beep? On snac it doesnt

Unless beep = led blink

[odd glen]

Anyone have any luck with GamePro Action Disc 1 (USA) or GamePro Action Disc 2 (USA)? Neither seem to work on the latest unstable PS1 core.

[tropic stratus]

could be that some cheat CDs use special debug features of the the original CPU, which are not build into the core

there are no good tests for these things

[odd glen]

The GamePro Action Disc is a demo disc that came with GamePro magazine. I dont believe its a cheat disc.

I think it just plays videos and maybe some demos

Definitely not a priority title, but wanted to mention it

[ivory verge]

GamePro Action Disc is listed as Unlicensed

I wonder what they did , that does not work 😛

[odd glen]

No idea, I think it just plays FMVs. Either way, definitely not more important than an N64 core

[ivory verge]

yeah 🙂

[violet spear]

My PSX core has stopped loading every game I’ve tried to open except Pepsi Man (JP). I’m not even posting this for troubleshooting just that’s as a Coke Zero enthusiast this seems targeted… 😤

[ebon tinsel]

Mike Butters is a local hero. Enjoy Pepsi Man with TV game!

That is super weird though.

[tulip moat]

Probably some sort of corruption. Trying replacing the core file with a fresh copy to see if it's the core itself either through update_all or manually, if not replace the game files with new copies.

[violet spear]

Just an update on this: one of my two power adapters is apparently bad. I switched to the one I had hooked up to my little PVM and everything is fine again. I guess if it had to be a hardware issue at least its something cheap/easy to fix!

(Weird thing is that they're rated the same and the "bad" one runs fine on cores that draw less power)

[tulip moat]

Still oddly specific that the core wanted you to play Pepsiman.

Maybe the MiSTer is thirsty lol

[violet spear]

Clearly Pepsi Man was trying to tell me the solution but I don't speak Pepsi. :c

[hot marsh]

So I got a jogcon clone for PS2. Any way to check if it identifies as a jogcon on PS1 via snac?

looks like a weird mix between a jogcon and a negcon

[meager parrot]

Ridge racer 4 should identify it as JogCon and show a graphic of the controller as you calibrate it in the settings, iirc

[serene nebula]

PEPSIMAN

[hot marsh]

Hopefully it acts like a better jogcon in negcon mode since it has the analog buttons

[serene nebula]

FAMILY REUNION

[hot marsh]

fancy, meanwhile I have their bastard brother

probably won't go NeGcon since I have a shitty wheel. I don't know if my brain can use the NeGCon correctly

[serene nebula]

Still part of the family!

I don’t have him so I think it’s awesome you do lol

[serene nebula]

Try wipeout with it, to me it makes sense in that game

[hot marsh]

yeah, too many things to try out later lol

will try jogcon on n r4 first

[serene nebula]

Man tell us how that controller works, I’m so curious

[vernal sundial]

I love r4 so much

And I didn't even grow up w it

So tempted to pick up a jogcon 😭

[serene nebula]

If you’re a big fan of the game it’s honestly worth it.

[hot marsh]

yeah I'm curious and hopeful that it's a jogcon clone

[shut escarp]

Seconding Robby. I got mine recently and played through R4 with it and it’s so much fun to drift with

[vernal sundial]

[hot marsh]

@serene nebula, the xstation controller is a bastard as expected.

Mode 1 - ps1 controller
Mode 2 - dual shock
Mode 3 - negcon

It has vibration. Knob spins like 45 only

Too sensitive for some games

Not bad for $5

Wish it had mode 4 for jogcon

It literally has the jogcon's knob

[abstract drift]

if the knob only spins 45 that might not be enough

the jogcon one can spin forever

[hot marsh]

I guess that's why it's negcon only

Also i made another ps1 snac using a ps1 shell

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

😄

[hot marsh]

I mean i had a ps1 slim snac

Might as well complete it lol

I even added the faintest led

Happy snac family

[ivory verge]

you destroyed the last ps one on earth , shame on you !

looks nice 🙂