Sony PlayStation

[pliant delta]

Oh what light gun do you recommend?

Looks great

[harsh shale]

Yeah I'm having a guy resin print the fancy ones because I'm just not happy with them on my FDM

But this turned out great haha

I somehow accidentally found the perfect support settings

[harsh shale]

Thank you!

[harsh shale]

Is it possible to use a memory card with SNAC plus a regular/USB/BT controller?

Maybe this way? Would this let someone have a regular controller on port 1 and a memory card on port 2?

[iron abyss]

Or you just accept the hardware, warts and all. There are a million ways to play emulators that create an experience that isn’t PlayStation by hacking up the graphics. Do we really need another one?

[tall rover]

Yeah, that works. That's also a good way to transfer from virtual memory cards to a physical one in the bios.

[wise cargo]

For real. If the goal is to play upscaled PSX games, it kinda misses the purpose of FPGA to begin with

[harsh shale]

Thanks 🙂

[shut escarp]

how often are you needing to swap back and forth?

[harsh shale]

I dunno it's not for me lol

[shut escarp]

i'd assume it'd be easiest to just use the virtual memory card, and when you decide you want to play on a PSX hook up snac, transfer the save, then continue on

most games dont really let you save on slot 2 anyways

[abstract drift]

initially i thought i'd maybe want to swap back and forth a lot but er, nah i actually dont lol

savestates/ffwd etc too hard to give up

[fallow turtle]

usb controllers 🙏 (etc.)

[harsh shale]

right

[pliant delta]

How is savestates working? Like any audio problems etc, something that is weird with them?

[tender tartan]

They just work, in my experience

[ivory verge]

savestates work very well, I use them all the time

[ivory verge]

I agree 100%, all the extras we have are just a nice bonus. There will always be a person who will complain that something is not there, because he thinks it is important. Let's appreciate the work put into this core. Everything that could be done is already there.

[wooden rose]

This is really niche, but I'm curious. I have a USB CD drive, I can make it work with MiSTer. I suppose the core does not understand disks as-is, but could I potentially create a .cue that points to the CD device itself? Does the core care about the location of the data or its extension? Has anyone else tried this?

If it's not too hard to make this work, I'm considering setting up a script for it, just for fun

Ah, by default the kernel does not have support for these drives it seems

Well, I'll play around with it

[wooden rose]

I see

[wooden rose]

Now how would the core handle Vib ribbon with custom music?

[ivory verge]

works fine, noreset.txt is the way 🙂

[wooden rose]

Ah! You can load audio CDs?

Sweet

[ivory verge]

yes

[abstract drift]

you have to make bin/cues of your audio cds, or chds

it can be a bit tricky to do esp without a physical cd burner

[wooden rose]

I've got one, should be okay

I will attempt physical disks for fun

[abstract drift]

there is a way to do it without burning discs but i could never get it to work

i found it was easiest to just burn an audio cd using like nero burning rom then rip that back to bin/cue

[wooden rose]

BIN is just raw data right? No container stuff

I'd presume you'd just cat together your riff audio and then put "timestamps" in the cue

But I think I can set up a virtual CD burner

Don't have any blank CDs :P

[tropic stratus]

yes, the core only buffers some sectors just like the real CD controller. Rather than continuesly streaming data from a drive, it depends on the HPS to deliver CD sectors just-in-time on request. Therefore real CD drives would work horrible and even some other storages can be slow, especially with compressed images

no, because the drive via USB would not deliver the data in the timing the CD controller needs it

it would only work with low level connection

but then you loose things like pausing or savestates for sure, because on demand isn't possible anymore

[ivory verge]

and there are any special requirements for PocketStation ?

people here use PocketStation via snac

[tropic stratus]

yes, pocketstation should work via SNAC and there is no space to support it internal in the core

[wooden rose]

It works just fine, indeed

I'll still try the CD thing, just cause I'm curious. maybe I'll learn something new

[tropic stratus]

did anyone with CRT notice something similar to what is reported in the forums?

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=69190#p69190

[ivory verge]

never 🙂

[tropic stratus]

it seems only CRT is hit, screenshot function shows the core is rendering correct

[ivory verge]

we have many CRT people here , surely we would know something

[tropic stratus]

There is another one reporting the same exact problem below, mentioning their equipment

so it seems to be at least not just a single user

[full nimbus]

the last reporter is using the YC variant of the core

[tropic stratus]

sure, anyone can do a seperate pocketstation core. It has no real connection with PSX, so anyone can jump in 🙂

[full nimbus]

not your core

[ivory verge]

"Thank you for posting this. I was going to ask about this also. I'm getting red blocks on pretty much all FMVs. I'm using PSXYC with Misteraddons active Y/C board connected via composite to 13" consumer Sony Trinitron. All video options in the core are set to default. No filters are used."

yes YC

i use official core + rgb , works ok

[full nimbus]

thats the trouble with CRT they have an insane chain of addons, adaptors etc

[ivory verge]

seems so

[tropic stratus]

no idea where they come from, i didn't create any of them and therefore cannot provide support

[ivory verge]

https://github.com/MikeS11/MiSTerFPGA_YC_Encoder

[full nimbus]

composite isnt an improvement its a downgrade

[wooden rose]

Well that aside, it happens only in FMVs from what I read? That's still somewhat strange

[tropic stratus]

if you use default setting, the aspect ratio for both PAl and NTSC is right

if you force your output to some other format, you might have issues with being forced to optimize by hand

[wooden rose]

I have only had render bugs with the core when the build reports timing errors, but that was limited to "stuck" pixels

[tropic stratus]

maybe those Integer wide settings are problematic? not sure, i wouldn't want to use the PSX core with integer scaling and razor sharp pixels

[wooden rose]

I love my integer scale for HDMI, but sharpness is all the way down for me :P

[tropic stratus]

not really, FMVs are often 24bit and that alone could explain it

normal integer scaling should keep the correct aspect ratio, but you might have thick borders.

[wooden rose]

Well I meant to say, it has a pattern and isn't constantly present, so you can rule out the display itself (I think?)

[tropic stratus]

hard to tell, what going on. Best to use a 24bit test exe with color gradient

but if this was known, i guess @torn yoke would have already asked 🙂

[wooden rose]

Isn't it gonna differ per CRT? Hence you got geometry test patterns in the 240p suite

[ivory verge]

these are your preference , what you see with default screen settings corresponds to the actual image size PAL/NTSC

[tropic stratus]

to see if it's right, you need to compare against default settings, which has proven correct aspect ratio against sony PVM

both are wrong...

NTSC game

both wider and narrower HW-Integer will mess upthe aspect ratio

and no, vertical crop does not fix that

v-integer seems to be integer+correct aspect ratio

i never used those settings before, i usually set it in the mister.ini for systems i want to have it

what test is that?

i see now, you want pixel perfect scaling, no matter if the game is using 256x240 or 640x256 as resolution

keep in mind that both 256x240 and 640x256 will fill the same visible area on a CRT, due to different pixel clock ratios

but integer scaling this source resolution is garbage

[bitter lintel]

"seem to"

[torn yoke]

I think I've seen someone report something like this with a bad IO board,. I've never seen this issue, but I can check against any games.

[tropic stratus]

sure, eveyone can do what they want, but sometimes it will look strange and then they will complain. E.g. "even" pixels for a 640x240 pixels game:

[wooden rose]

Anything that's not integer can have shimmering, kind of unavoidable

Whether you notice or not...

With scanlines it's more noticeable than without

[rancid chasm]

do they even out if you use an interpolation filter, since you don't have it integer scaled horizontally?

[wooden rose]

I consider vertical scaling the most important

If horizontal isn't integer that's fine

I'm really wondering what kind of black magic LG uses in their upscaling algo, since it looks so good

[rancid chasm]

well you'll get uneven pixels otherwise, kinda either need integer or interpolation

[tropic stratus]

wider integer mode is really funny: upper picture is 640 pixels wide, lower is 512 pixels wide in source resolution. Of course both should be exactly the same size for correct aspect ratio

to make things even more complicated: when using wider/narrower, not only PAL/NTSC matters, but also what game you play. And even inside the game the resolution can change

[tropic stratus]

yes, interpolation filters completly fixes that and makes the checkerboard look right without wrong sizes pixels

[rancid chasm]

almost, theres a few suggested ones in the root filters folder, but snes with 512p mode engaged and higher res computer cores you might want to go with a different setting

[rancid chasm]

i know 😉, was just trying to nudge

[quick gyro]

i never gave that much thought about the scale modes, i just use fixed hblank and vblank and set the vertical crop to the highest option. I guess V-Integer is good for integer but HV-Integer is not realistic is it? i Mean most Consoles streched the pixels Horizontally

or the crt did it basically

[torn yoke]

Wipeout 3 looks fine for me, boot videos, and in game. I also checked res evil 2 with no issue as well.

Ignore the Moire from the tv 🙂

[tropic stratus]

can you check silent hill as mentioned in the forum?

maybe you also have some idea where this red color comes from?

[rancid chasm]

correct but with emulators and modern pixel games a lot of people have got real use to sharp as possible pixels, and so a lot of people want integer options even if they are not accurate aspect ratio wise. Not casting any shade I was there for years too, now I embrace heavy blurs, ha

[quick gyro]

i kind of understand, i hated scanline filters until the Mister got such great options that look so good 😄

[rancid chasm]

true, better to say accurate to the tech, not necessarily how the artists drew it

[torn yoke]

Fmv are fine as well

[tropic stratus]

@torn yoke thank you!

[torn yoke]

Generating a sub carrier might be a bit harder on an Io board that has a very slight defect to it but I'd need to see it under a scope to make sure..

[ivory verge]

https://psxdatacenter.com/games/P/P/SLES-02087.html this ?

[bright yacht]

Played it a lot on the pc. Network battles are super fun! But I never even tested the ps1 version. Now I just want to play it on the core.

[torn yoke]

No worries :), I just check 2 TV's just in case and both are fine.

[broken pelican]

Hi. I tested with latest released core on my analog board to a Sony TV. Silent Hill videos are fine, no wrong colors

[ivory verge]

Same here , works fine

[broken pelican]

Tried to produce the images from the forum by trying "unsafe" options, still fine

[harsh shale]

What's noreset.txt?

[ivory verge]

The file noreset.txt indicates that the core should not reset once another game image is selected in another directory.

[harsh shale]

How is it used? What do the contents say? I assume there's documentation somewhere?

[ivory verge]

This is an empty file

Placed in the directory

[harsh shale]

Okay so put it in the folder with a game that you don't want to reset the core with?

[ivory verge]

Yes

Useful with gameshark etc

[harsh shale]

What if I pick a game that doesn't have noreset.txt, from a game that does

Oh so it's like loading another disc from the same game, except it's in another folder?

[ivory verge]

Yes

🙂

[harsh shale]

Perfect thank you 😊

[ivory verge]

So you can, for example, use your own music in vib ribbon, the game gives you this possibility

[wooden rose]

I only ever had the demo of it, so I bought it, since it was like 2 bucks

[ivory verge]

2$ nice 👍🏻😎

[wooden rose]

Japanese retro games are usually not expensive :)

Especially the most beloved games are cheap, inverse of how it works in the West

[ivory verge]

Yeah, but language is a barrier for me

[wooden rose]

These games sold more copies, thus they are cheaper

Oh yeah ofc, for me too

It's a shame the market in the West isn't like the market here

[ivory verge]

Platformers , racing games ok , but rpgs or adevtures games....

[wooden rose]

Yep, hard as hell

Cheapest platform here is probably DS

They even have gacha machines where you put in 100 yen and get a random cart

[tropic stratus]

thank you

i invited them to tell here what they are doing...can also recommend some 24bit test .exe to see what the issue could be

e.g. this one https://github.com/RobertPeip/PSX/tree/master/ImageLoad

[woeful torrent]

I had that issue. I had to get a new IO board to fix it.

[alpine hinge]

hi everyone, I posted the pictures with red blocks on fmv

any solution? because it only happens with psx core. Saturn and sega cd dont appear at all.

[tropic stratus]

the post above yours suggests that the IO board might be an issue? But i don't know why this would only happen with FMVs(24bit) then

you can try this test: https://github.com/RobertPeip/PSX/raw/master/ImageLoad/ImageLoad.exe

it's 24bit without FMV

should look like this

[alpine hinge]

it says I cant run this application on my PC

[tropic stratus]

you need to download, save it to your sdcard and run it with "load .exe" on the core

it's not a .exe for a PC, it's for psx

[alpine hinge]

I see, just a moment I will try

[tropic stratus]

the next best 24bit test is "heart of darkness", which is completly drawn by CPU in 24bit mode

[alpine hinge]

it runs like this, is it fine?

https://i.postimg.cc/CKCxX24f/PHOTO-20230221-153609.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/cCzxfGdP/PHOTO-20230221-153631.jpg

[tropic stratus]

looks good

so the issue only happens either in movement or with certain colors

you could try to map the pause button and hold the FMV with problems and see if the effect is gone on the static image

(maybe you already did that?)

[alpine hinge]

I did that and when it pauses it still appears.

[tropic stratus]

so it's a special color that converts to something different

[alpine hinge]

Do I still have to try heart of darkness? I am transferring it now to the sd card

[tropic stratus]

the problem is that i don't know the reason...it's very likely due to something in your setup

if you find any reproducible(static) situation, you could take a screenshot or savestate and we could analyze which colors degrade, maybe that helps to find the root cause

[alpine hinge]

same with heart of darkness 😦

https://i.postimg.cc/Cx5qkwSL/PHOTO-20230221-154709.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SRVnYvPM/PHOTO-20230221-154727.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/yd4gM99k/PHOTO-20230221-154750.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RF764FQG/PHOTO-20230221-154759.jpg

the interesting is, if I take a screenshot with keyboard it doesnt show at all those red blocks. I took several and none appears on silent hill

[ivory verge]

Because it has to do with the analogue output, you won't catch it with a screenshot

[tropic stratus]

any ingame static situation where the effect is visible?

heart of darkness is interesting, because the whole game is 24bit, not just the fmvs

we could see what is special about the color to "degrade" that way

[torn yoke]

What IO board are you using ? Which version? Where did you purchase it ? When ?

I've only seen this happen with someone using a defective Io board

[tropic stratus]

i still don't get why it only happens with 24bit content. Normal 15bit ingame content will still have the uppermost bit replicated to the lowest, so it's not like any data line is completly unused there either

sorry, have to go for today 👋

[torn yoke]

@woeful torrent had this same issue

Fixed the issue with a new Io board

That's why I'm curious to know the type, version, where it was purchased etc

[abstract drift]

could it be a bug in the 18bit dithering?

[woeful torrent]

It didn't only affect PSX for me. PSX was just the most obvious

when playing super nintendo games, whenever there was a fade to black, I would notice the colors being off instead of a smooth transition to black

like in earthbound or super mario world

[torn yoke]

Yeah, I'm thinking it's not only related to the psx core

[alpine hinge]

for me it is only psx core and only fmv. My board is the light blue v6.1

[torn yoke]

Where is the board from ?

[alpine hinge]

ali express. I bought in january 2021

[torn yoke]

Have you tried VGA ?

On a PC CRT ? Or monitor ?

Or have an oscilloscope?

I'd be really curious to see what the 240p test suite looks like

Under a bunch of scenarios

What does res evil look like ?

[alpine hinge]

I use a vga-component cable on this sony wega trinitron. resident evil 2 you mean?

I dont have a pc crt monitor or orsciloscope, any other way I could help?

hdmi everything runs perfectly fine, but I prefer crt over oled/lcd with the mister

[torn yoke]

Run through a bunch of the 240p test suite pages and see if anything looks off. Use the Genesis core for the color bleeding test but try psx and SNES for everything as well.

It's going to be hard to address though if it's a hardware related issue though 😕

[full nimbus]

Ali express often get the resistor ladder wrong

[torn yoke]

Yep, that's my concern

[ivory verge]

Quality from alixpress is not the best , I guess a lot depends on luck

[humble thorn]

I'm not sure where the original issue is posted but it's not entirely uncommon to have a solder bridge between resistors in a resistor array which can either create missing colors or wrong colors

[jovial jay]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=69190#p69190

And

#1046940919607345272 message

[humble thorn]

@alpine hinge show us SNES 240p test suite's color bars

That will immediately tell us if it's an IO board problem

[alpine hinge]

Ok, I will test it and post the image here.

from smartphone:

https://i.postimg.cc/gkMqN5fM/PHOTO-20230221-193904.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/rwKGbjTq/PHOTO-20230221-193911.jpg

or do you need a screenshot using a keyboard?

[humble thorn]

Keyboard screenshot won't show it

It looks like you have red and blue swapped at the low end

It might just be the pictures but that's an issue with your IO board

[alpine hinge]

I see, it's odd because it is only visible on psx core on fmv, I played several snes and mega drive games and never realized this

[humble thorn]

Not really sure but it's not a core issue

[alpine hinge]

so what systems besides psx it would be more clear this problem for me?

[humble thorn]

Well, you can see it there with SNES

But it's possible some games don't use all the color bits

In any case, you can replace the IO board from a reputable seller and never think about it again 🙂

[alpine hinge]

at the moment unfortunately I cant, the ratio conversion between us dollar and my current is almost 1 to 6. And this would be from ali express, if I buy in a different place, they only ship via DHL which is expensive we have to pay 100% tax over the price.

I can live by for a while in this condition 😄

[torn yoke]

Yeah it's not the psx core , it's clear in the SNES core as well

@tropic stratus just a note 🙂

[fluid condor]

Hi, I'm the other guys who posted about the red blocks on FMV issue. I'm using Misteraddons IO board 6.1 purchased on Oct 2021. Connected via 5v powered VGA to Misteraddons active Y/C board then composite out to consumer Sony Trinitron KV-13TR20. I'll test out things like direct video and VGA monitor later. Thanks for all the investigations

[humble thorn]

Please share SNES's 240p test suite color bars

[fluid condor]

I'm working right now so I'll post pix after work and dinner heh....

[dawn wind]

What’s the best way to use a real neGcon?

[shut escarp]

SNAC

it can be done with some USB adapters but its kind of a headache to map

[fluid condor]

Here is SNESYC 240p Test color bars

PSXYC IO board to active Y/C board composite

I connected to my Panasonic low end plasma with bunch of more ports. Svideo also looks like this. It's not just red blocks but also green and blue blocks on different scenes.

IO board VGA to TV with regular PSX core is good

PSXYC direct video to Y/C board composite is good

Here is IO board to Antonio Villena adapter composite. It's good

This is regular PSX core

[tacit fox]

@wanton crown no RAM yet?

[quick gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/el-luchito-con-la-ram-gif-15851431

[alpine hinge]

So, no relation if the board is from china or some other place. Can it be fixed via software then?

[full nimbus]

no

the resistor chain on the board is probbaly faulty

you would have to remove and replace the chain

you have fallen foul of Ali Express

[alpine hinge]

so same situation for the board from Misteraddons?

[full nimbus]

no

he would offer support

and he wouldnt have made the mistake in the first place

[tropic stratus]

i cannot see any issue in the color bars from KennyL and it seems to only hit Svideo, not IO board in general

[torn yoke]

I've taken it offline to get more details

[cosmic cosmos]

I have two MiSTers. One's IO board is pretty good, but the other, newer board has some issues that look similar to these. I switched both to Direct video. I'll do some testing later today to see if I can find you any useful info. Let me know if you want me to check anything in particular.

[wanton crown]

No, it's definitely lost. I'm receiving cables from retrogamingcables tomorrow and that command was made several weeks later compared to the ram, and they both come from the UK

Will send a mail to misterfpga.co.uk

[torn yoke]

I've soldered up a couple of IO boards a while back and the resister arrays don't take a lot to screw things up. I had to reflow mine twice because RGBs colors were off. But don't spend too much time on it, I'm more curious about Kenny's issue right now

[tall rover]

I'm once again feeling the temptation to get a PS1 with a broken disc drive and modding it with an XStation and PS1Digital. But what would that offer me that isn't offered by a MiSTer?

[ivory verge]

nothing 😄

besides having real hw 😛

I have several ps1 , I don't use any at the moment, I only use psx core

[pseudo plinth]

try the previous version of PSXYC-core

[ivory verge]

don't exaggerate, how many games are there that don't work ? :P:P:P

please

[shut escarp]

its count on 1 hand type numbers

[pseudo plinth]

@fluid condor

[ivory verge]

ah yes I forgot to add emoticons , now better ?

buy more Misters 😉

not xstation

[pseudo plinth]

I have two standing here, a psone and a psx 7000(Japan), I'm not using it, and I'll probably sell it, my two mister covers my use well for psx games and many others.

[shut escarp]

i bought an Xstation when it was still up in the air if PSX snac would be able to handle 2 guncons... and I haven't even gotten it installed

and i really wish I bought a GDemu then instead

[ivory verge]

I was using ps1 for comparisons with core ( bug reports etc ), but it's getting dusty at the moment 🙂

I can't find any excuse to turn it on

[visual depot]

I'm glad I invested in a MiSTer when I did. I was about to invest in an XStation....

Although I'm sad that my first-generation MemCard Pro is a brick

Can't use it with the MiSTer as it draws too much power to work

[pseudo plinth]

being honest, sell and buy a gdemu and be happy, Dreamcast is an incredible console.

[visual depot]

the second generation fixed that

So mine's only PS1-supported 😦

I bought the MemCard Pro in preparation for use with a modchip.... but...

now it's practically useless to me :/

[tall rover]

I think I just want a project that looks difficult. I don't think I'd even use it much

[tacit fox]

headaches

[pseudo plinth]

I took too long to buy the mister, I was buying the analogue consoles super nt , mega sg and the nt mini noir, today I regret it, especially the nt mini noir in many points, today I have two misters, but I intend to have more

[shut escarp]

I have a copy of TDC Final that lives in my DC

and i got it hooked up to the good speakers now

[pseudo plinth]

dreamcast is incredible, I really like the ones I played on it, a cousin has it, code veronica, berserk, skies of arcadia, power stone, marvel vs capcom, second console in terms of local multiplayer that I had more fun.

[visual depot]

I have the super nt... it's now a brick to me as well haha

power stone! ❤️

[shut escarp]

i need to pick up a second wingman at some point too

[ivory verge]

As a big fan of Resident Evil, when I saw the previews of Resident Evil Code Veronica in the newspapers.....

[pseudo plinth]

I think I'm keeping it, because I'm waiting for the release of retrotink4k, the filters bring a feeling of authenticity within the nostalgia of games, which I can't play much on super nt and mega sg, their filters are terrible. since I got the mister and built my setup around it, I barely use them.

[ivory verge]

man , I was shocked , I had to have a Dreamcast 🙂

I still have the original RE:DC

[pseudo plinth]

resident evil is a series that made me want a ps1, a dreamcast, a gamecube, it really is a game that sells consoles.

[ivory verge]

Now maybe that intro from RE1 is funny, just like the dialogues, but at the time it was a big wow

[shut escarp]

i didn't get a DC until like 2008 and it was 95% for MVC2

[ivory verge]

MVC2 is a great game

[pseudo plinth]

Yep, the best of the series, and incredible at the time I played a lot with the cousins

[ivory verge]

the other game that impressed me was Soul Calibur , I love Soul Blade , so that was another game that convinced me to buy DC

[manic citrus]

I bought a DC by accident on launch day

[shut escarp]

lol

[manic citrus]

I came into work that morning and a coworker was like 'the EB in the mall has Dreamcasts, want to go get one?'

and I was 'ok' and so I did

[pseudo plinth]

in brazil, it was more like, let's sell a kidney and buy a dreamcast?

[glass zealot]

Hiya, I'm new here. I see that each PSX game gets its own save file when I save and I found where they are stored. But is there a way to view them (or make alternatives) in the traditional way? As in when the core is booted up without a game, there's a page for memory card files. It is currently always empty for me. I remember when this core was new, I read that you needed to make a memory card file, I did that but it didn't seem to do anything. I must have done something wrong.

[wooden rose]

By default, your second memory card slot is pointed towards a file named /media/fat/saves/PSX/memcardB.mc. This is a shared memory card.
In the core menu, you can mount one of the .mc files to whichever slot you want. You may need to do this manually for slot A, I am not sure.

[tropic stratus]

yes, you can turn off automount for slot1 also and select the memcard of any game you want and view it in the bios

[fluid condor]

I'll try this later. thanks

[glass zealot]

Thanks Natrox and PGAzumSpass, sounds good 🙂

[void basin]

best mistake ever

[stuck mesa]

@tropic stratus just giving a bug report. The Japanese version of Parappa The Rapper does not start after opening intro. It load, you can leave the intro or cut it with ⭕ , and the result with be the same, a white screen with sound. Tried all version with all configurations in miscelanious, but no dice.

[tacit fox]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues/142

[fluid condor]

Wow this is super interesting! I'll test myself later

[torn yoke]

Yeah, those are distinct blocks, Ill rebuild the the core

[torn yoke]

I was using a more recent build in my tests and didnt have that issue, but there is clearly an issue with 0205, ill have a new version up tonight

[fluid condor]

I can confirm PSXYC_20230114.rbf is good!

Looking forward to your new build

[pseudo plinth]

this happened to me, I already have this pattern if Something happens with a new version of the core, so I test the previous one.

[fluid condor]

That was a great tip thank you!

[tacit fox]

What is a PSXYC? A fork? Should we discuss forks here?

[ivory verge]

Yes , this may cause some confusion, but I think this is the first such topic here.

[tacit fox]

@summer sage maybe there should be a specific channel for core forks? It could get people confused here

[bitter lintel]

looked through fork gifs but i'm not gonna

[summer sage]

I'll think about it. For the yc one in particular they probably don't need to be talked about at all since it's getting merged soon anyway.

[torn yoke]

Should be up now

[tropic stratus]

i have no idea, never tried it

the core has the 8mbyte ram option, but nothing special for CD to handle it. However, any region check is currently not done, so maybe it works?

but if the game itself checks for something special it might not, cannot tell. But you can try

i don't have it...what happens? does it show the second bios screen and then black screen? does it work in e.g. duckstation?

possible

if it's just a check it can probably work, but likely the CD type response must be special

[abstract drift]

maybe it needs a bios?

[tropic stratus]

maybe it also needs the special memory card?

https://psx-spx.consoledev.net/controllersandmemorycards/#yaroze-access-cards-dtl-h3020

"Without the Access Card, the Yaroze Bootdisc will refuse to work (the disc contains software for transferring data to/from PC, for developing homebrew games)."

[abstract drift]

oh maybe

could we fake that?

[tropic stratus]

it seems duckstation has no special things for yaroze in the CD code, so likely it's not supported there

if you find any opensource emulator that plays your disc, it's probably easy to see at least what is required

that doesn't mean it's easy to implement however

the pure info "code returned by the CD-ROM controller (MECHANISM CONTROL aka MECON" is just not enough

[abstract drift]

maybe its one of those mechacon strings like SCEI SCEE SCEA etc

[tropic stratus]

yes maybe it's something that easy and then it could be implemented. PSX-SPX lists 4 differences for yaroze and the CD handling...

[visual depot]

Doesn't the Yaroze boot disc require the actual Net Yaroze devkit device anyway?

It's a black PS1

IIRC it has more memory than a standard PS1 does

https://youtu.be/rtE5hmlrcBo

[ivory verge]

We have 8mb 😎

[visual depot]

Hmm... looking at the video, it is mostly identical to a regular PS1.

[tropic stratus]

it could be the dev kit also requires some advanced CPU features like setting breakpoints that might be implemented but never tested. However, the games on a demo disc will likely not need that

but if Whitney really wants it, i don't think it's asked too much to try the demo disc with some emulators to see if any implemented that already

[still palm]

the "boot disc" may need that special card(not sure) but he was talking about a Net Yaroze Demo complilation that someone probably made.

not sure if there was ever an official Net Yaroze Demo disc, some of the games were available on some magazine demo discs though. iirc

[ivory verge]

There is a patched version to run on normal psx

[still palm]

ok I think there was unofficial NY compilations too

[ivory verge]

"You'll need to convert the Net Yaroze game to the PS-EXE format and then make a BIN/ISO image with a SYSTEM.CNF sheet so that it can boot on an emulator."

yeah , patched version works fine

[still palm]

yep booted for me too. make sure to pick "Net Yaroze (Europe) (Demo) (CRACKED).cue"

[ivory verge]

Terra Incognita is fun 🙂

[tropic stratus]

if you convert to ps-exe, it's easier to just load this in the core, also saves you from any loading time 😉

probably the demo disc is just a bunch of .exe files with a loader

Only exception is if there are .exe larger than 2Mbyte that require the 8mbyte ram. The core cannot load such large .exe files

but good to hear the patched disc works. Thats fine for me, no need to add some extra function in the core for the CD check if it can just be removed

[still palm]

in the link Whitey gave there's a youtube video of how he used a cheat code to make to boot, could probably make a cheat code for the core if you really wanted to play the unpatched version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=833ZrPGDXtY

[ivory verge]

for netyaroze games to work on the original psx we also have to use codes or patches, I don't see any reason to add something to core

[rare gyro]

yeah.. it's outside the scope of an as-close-to-authentic-as-possible-on-the-de-10-nano core

[harsh shale]

Did the YC code make it into this most recent PSX core release?

[tacit fox]

Nope

[torn yoke]

I just released a new core this morning so it's up to date

But it will be the last yc core, as things should be updated to the latest sys moving forward

[abstract drift]

really cool to see that get fully integrated

[harsh shale]

I bet that's a load off! Thanks for all your hard work

[wooden rose]

I would love to see a full Net Yaroze implementation, one that would allow you to work with their tools, basically the black PS1 model.
But that just isn't realistic to expect here. 😅
Maybe an emulator some day.

[wooden rose]

Then we could add the link port, theoretically

No idea

[timber veldt]

Can someone check this out: https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6195

There is a save file attached

[ivory verge]

Sure

hmm but it's memory card

I'll have to fight this boss ? 😄

[ivory verge]

no, I won't check it, I don't even know how to move there, savestate is needed after defeating the boss, did he use cheats ?

[rare gyro]

Technically Net Yaroze as a fork could have a place in the MiSTer project.

[ivory verge]

Sure, maybe someone will take it up one day

[tropic stratus]

" plays all the voiced lines of all the characters one after another" sounds like a CD XA problem. Haven't seen one in ages

[serene nebula]

This core brings me so much happiness. Thank you so much.

I know it’s just silly games and all but it’s amazing to be able to reconnect with your childhood and share that with your own kids. I love playing PS1 on the MiSTer with my 4-year old. We have so much fun playing games together and using SNAC to enjoy all those imaginative JP music and simulation games with their bespoke accessories.

This core was the reason I got into MiSTer and it’s a remarkable feat of engineering. It’s incredible that we have the single greatest way to play the PS1 right at our fingertips.

[visual depot]

I would verify your dump

[tropic stratus]

something cut off is different to just playing all XA files on the disc in a row

[visual depot]

yeah... cut off audio sounds like a bad dump to me.. once I heard it

[ivory verge]

Bloody Roar 2 works fine here

Ntsc , redump

[visual depot]

There are so many problems when dealing with PS1 images

Never go to random download sites lol

They almost always have badly ripped games

[ivory verge]

Played an hour, no problems

[ivory verge]

Save from mister forum doesn't work for me , i think this savestate is made when it already stuck

[tropic stratus]

yes, he writes "here's a save state where it did the crash"

but i don't get it...first it's a consistent bug...now it crashes often in this part

[ivory verge]

That's why i want to try it

[tropic stratus]

savestates fixing the problem sounds like cheats being used, because they are off after loading the state 😉

[ivory verge]

That's right, I forgot to ask about the cheats

[tropic stratus]

but savestate some seconds before the issue should show it...unless it really only happens when a previous XA file was played without loading the state

then create a savestate before it happens and we can try

[visual depot]

Also FYI testing on an emulator doesn't verify it as a good dump, but it's possible it is something else going on

issues can arise on real hardware that don't on emulators

[tropic stratus]

sorry, i don't have all EU demo discs at hand...

[visual depot]

Why aren't you using the main game, if I may ask?

is there something unique to the demo?

I'm testing it now as I'm curious

but I'm getting a redump bin/cue

[tropic stratus]

the sound is not XA... (bloody roar 2)

[visual depot]

I don't see what issue you're having....

[tropic stratus]

interesting...the full version of br2 does buffer both voices before it loads the level. the demo (probably beta?) does load the voices while it loads the level, potentially leading to problems

you can fix it e.g. with 1x CD speed

They removed this race condition in the full version

on a real PS1 with real drive it might be random if it works or not 🙂

[visual depot]

It doesn't happen for me when it's mirrored

[tropic stratus]

there must be something about this, because they stall the loading of the level to fully play out BOTH voices in the full version, which costs like 3 seconds extra loading time. I doubt they would do that if there wasn't a problem with the behavior of the demo

[visual depot]

Fair point

Look at you finding developers' dark secrets all the time

[tropic stratus]

the LBA overlay showed the difference very well

[ivory verge]

I can't reproduce it. After every game state load it works ok

[visual depot]

Is it possibly a regression converting it to CHD?

[ivory verge]

i don't think so

[alpine hinge]

hi everyone

me again about the psx core 24 bit problem for me

I tried a vga-vga cable on a lcd monitor and guess what, no red blocks

https://i.postimg.cc/nLdcvDdH/PHOTO-20230224-183912.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/gJQz7PFQ/PHOTO-20230224-183923.jpg

could it be then my vga -> component cable the problem?

my mister ini is like this when I try the vga-component cable, is something related to that config or the cable?

https://i.postimg.cc/Gm55G3kW/PHOTO-20230224-184550.jpg

[visual depot]

1. Your ini is outdated. 2. If you're using YPbPr I believe you need composite sync on.

ypbpr=1 is no longer the option used for ypbpr though

Update your ini and you'll see

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer

[kind ravine]

I’ve never been able to tell any difference with composite sync on or off over component

[meager parrot]

same here. i just keep it off since it didnt seem to do anything

[odd glen]

Oh no kidding? What is the new option called???

I looked at the new ini but it didnt immediately jump out

Oh disregard… vga_mode=ypbpr

[alpine hinge]

So I set composite_sync=1? That's the only thing I have to change to use component?

[odd glen]

You also have to change vga_mode=ypbpr

On my setup, Im still using ypbpr=1 but Im assuming that setting is deprecated and will eventually go away

[alpine hinge]

so the cable might be the problem or not? In case I need to find a new one

[odd glen]

To be honest Im not sure. I dont have a VGA Analog IO board, so have never run into that problem. Maybe someone with a similar setup can comment

[patent junco]

Yep, it’s been changed to an enumeration for the different video modes, so now you need to set vga_mode=ypbpr instead sorry I somehow missed your entire post above…

Or you will when you update at least

[dawn wind]

How’s the virtual memory card support w/SNAC? About to pull the trigger on a SNAC adapter and I know it was in the works.

[harsh shale]

think it's baked in now

[tacit fox]

It’s in the core and it works great

[abstract drift]

yeah its awesome

[bitter lintel]

i think you're pretty baked

[harsh shale]

I know I am

Don't be jealous

[dawn wind]

Sweet

[bitter lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/high-half-baked-smirk-jim-breuer-gif-12728997

[tropic stratus]

if anyone with composite would try if the testbuild i uploaded in test-builds works as good as the last build from MikeS, that would be great

[manic valley]

Shoot ! Not at home rn or would totally confirm this

[harsh shale]

I'll ask my buddy, if he's around

[woeful torrent]

It looks good to me

[full nimbus]

He's always with you

[harsh shale]

sometimes he won't show up

unless there's trauma

[devout nacelle]

trying out snac for the first time on the ps1 core..just got a new ps2 controller.

easy to for

easy to forget I'm not playing on an actual ps1..

[pseudo plinth]

Works okay

[harsh shale]

Everything working great in test build

In fact, he says it's

[pseudo veldt]

ooo that keyboard

[shut escarp]

It’s a k400

[torn yoke]

Beautiful

[lean glen]

How come when you turn on Sync 480i for HDMI it makes the image sharper through Analog I/O VGA, almost like its forcing progressive scan?
This setting is supposed to affect just HDMI output right?

[tropic stratus]

thank to everyone for testing!

[tropic stratus]

I assume Sync 480i for HDMI will show both half-images of the 480i as 240p images, without the vertical offset. So i would assume small text is much harder to read

is does also influence analog out, as it's changing the timing and even the game speed

480i on NTSC is usually 59.94Hz, while 240p is only 59.826hz. this settings brings 480i content down to also use 59.826hz (for the purpose of not switching refresh rate when switching between 480i and 240p)

[lean glen]

I see. Thanks for the explainer. I leave it off when using Analog output since it doesn't look right while enabled but was just curious as to what was going on.

[rigid lintel]

Is it possible, or difficult to grab Memcard Pro saves and move them to the mister?

[ember cedar]

I'm not sure about Memcard Pro, but here are some directions for moving saves #1046940919607345272 message

[shut escarp]

It’s very easy, they are usually in .mcd format. I have a folder full of like 1000 memcardpro files

https://github.com/Pezz82/MemCard-Pro-Packs/releases

[ember cedar]

Yeah, if they're in .mcd format you can follow that link to see how to rename them so they autoload

[shut escarp]

Or just load it in slot 2 and copy it to the autocreated card if you’ve already played the game(s)

[coral nimbus]

is there still a bug thread ? Sorry couldn't find it.

Final Fantasy VII works great so far. I minor "bug" on CD2 with the snowboard part has a weird white blinking line on the top. (Savestate available if needed)
https://imgur.com/a/dZC6t8I

[ivory verge]

Try crop option?

Probably not visible on the crt

Fixed Hblank as well as Fixed Vblank can help delivering correct aspect rations and keeping the screen in sync with e.g. shaking animations. Both also offer crop options for games that depend on CRT viewports to hide artifacts at the edge of the image.

You tried this?

Crop option?

Try with crop

Yes exactly

This area is not visible on the CRT

Ok if you say so

Try with crt

Again try on crt

I assure you that you will not see it

The few lines that are visible via hdmi are not in the display area on the crt.

That's why we have crop option

There are more games with this

Try Castlevania Sotn

Ntsc

Menu

Ok

Github issue please

yeah , github is the way

please share a savestate

[grand sage]

Hmm it's been a minute since I've messed with the PSX core and I'm getting black screens on everything

I just see "Region US" if I'm using an SLUS ISO

[quick gyro]

Did you reboot your mister and it's still happening? Did it ever work?

[grand sage]

Yes I rebooted and did update all

Before the update it was fine

I transferred one ISO I've been using over the network and tested it with Duckstation and it's fine, I guess I can manually delete/re add the core but idk why that's necessary

using PSX_20230218.rbf

I rolled back and still having the same issue

20230114

Even the last 2021 update has the same issue

[ivory verge]

Maybe bios ?

[grand sage]

Lemme try

[mystic violet]

2021?

[manic citrus]

no, main extracts the region from the disc image and sends it to the core

[grand sage]

Where do you select the BIOS in the OSD again?

Separate folder inside games?

[ivory verge]

Rename your playstation bios file (e.g. scph-1001.bin/ps-22a.bin ) and place it in the ./games/PSX/ folder.

boot.rom => US BIOS
boot1.rom => JP BIOS
boot2.rom => EU BIOS

[grand sage]

Ah ok it was setup like that up to 4

Yup bad BIOS

Ty

I also deleted 3/4 which might have helped, I had a custom BIOS at one point

[tropic stratus]

well, i tried it and what i can say is: clearing the framebuffer while actually scanning it out to screen is about as bad as switching the framebuffer midscreen

SW emulators don't care, as they usually just copy the whole framebuffer at vsync

in the end it's a shortcoming of the psx cores GPU design due to ddr3 as vram, so it cannot 1:1 replicate GPU timings of the real psx. Usually that doesn't matter if a game doesn't depend on it

Fortunalty nearly no game really depends on it. 95% of all vertical flicker is a game having this flicker also on a real console, e.g. due to visible area really showing garbage

[wanton crown]

so misterfpga.co.uk doesn't want to refund me for the lost ram, if someone has another link for a 32mb sd ram, I'll buy it from there. I'll stop using that shop altogether. Imagine sending an sd ram without tracking

[visual depot]

Pretty sure you have a choice between international tracked and non-tracked at checkout

@wanton crown

[gilded trellis]

It can't be legal if they don't show shipping tracking

[ivory verge]

I ordered several times from this store and everything was ok, now I'm waiting for mt32pi and got the tracking number for the shipment

I honestly didn't even pay attention if there was a shipping option without tracking 😄

[visual depot]

If it hasn't been a month or two since it shipped, it may still be delayed

Some countries international small parcel are just taking forever right now

[ivory verge]

yes , shipments take a very long time usually from the UK

last time I waited 3-4 weeks

[gilded trellis]

It doesn't make sense, so I can send the "damaged" ram under warranty and it never arrives either

[visual depot]

@wanton crown if it hasn't been a couple months, I'd wait... things are delayed a lot right now, and it's possibly why they're opting to not refund yet if you're not waiting long enough.

[visual depot]

they have a tracked option

choosing the non-tracked shipping option is your own fault lol

[gilded trellis]

ok, if tracked; but they need to demostrate send product

[visual depot]

huh?

They send emails indicating it's shipped...

[gilded trellis]

ah ok..i send you an email as well

[visual depot]

Is there a reason you're mad? You're not the one reporting an issue

[gilded trellis]

you need more..at least a received from transport shipping

[visual depot]

misterfpga.co.uk has had nothing but good reputation here. I find it hard to believe that there isn't more to this story

[gilded trellis]

i understand you..but legal isn't about reputation

[visual depot]

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at

I've never heard any such laws

Granted I don't live in Europe

[gilded trellis]

Ok. In Europe, If you sell a product you have to prove that you send it and you know and verify that you receive it

[visual depot]

And... you have proof that the website does not do this?

I've never personally ordered from them myself

[gilded trellis]

Even ALI for a 1 eur products have their own track

If shop don't give you a track, the price is refunded

[visual depot]

depends on the destination...

from what I'm reading

Regardless, if you haven't ordered from them yourself, I don't see any reason why you are arguing

Because they very well could be doing this correctly

[quick gyro]

UK is not EU therefore most Laws that apply to most parts of Europe dont necessary apply to the UK

i stopped ordering anything from UK alltogehter since they left, the import taxes are crazy

maybe that Royal Mail faced a big Ransomware Attack last month also doesnt help with the RAM delivery

but if a shop doesnt refund me my money when they cant deliver to me, they will never see money from me again

but it never happended to me

[wanton crown]

I got other packages from royal air mail just fine last week

[visual depot]

I will say that if I'm a shop owner and I receive an email with someone being nothing but nasty with me (not assuming this is the case, but some people don't have the courtesy to understand that shipping is sometimes out of their control and delays are awful right now).... I'm not really going to have an interest in helping them

Ok...

Well one package arriving fine from one location doesnn't indicate it will be not delayed from another

If it hasn't' been a couple months I'd give it time

[wanton crown]

I don't remember being able to choose tracking at checkout but I don't remember. All other packages I orderes from them had it

[visual depot]

And I don't count it as lost until at least 8 weeks personally

[wanton crown]

I guess ill wait. Im leaving for Japan soon so I dont mind waiting

[visual depot]

I'm not trying to be rude... sorry if I come across that way

[wanton crown]

No issues at all

[visual depot]

But delays are pretty awful sometimes right now, especially with royal mail

[wanton crown]

Ive been playing snes a lot recently and enhanced my setups and also been playing nintendo ds

[visual depot]

Not sure if this is the case in every location... but for me that's where the selection is

[wanton crown]

Given that only psx core gave me a specific issues, i can still enjoy my mister just as normal

Ah indeed, maybe I missed clicked

[quick gyro]

did you contact Royal Mail already? If they basically lost it, they normally have insurance for such cases

[visual depot]

Usually it has a default insurance

I assure you the default is higher than that package lol

[quick gyro]

in my country its 500eu default

so i bet it covers the RAM and royal mail will have a similar amount

a friend of mine is a blacksmith for custom Kitchen Knives he has the wildest stories with UPS and Fedex but somehow in the end the product always shows up somehow and somewhere 😄

[visual depot]

I'd imagine that Royal Mail is just awful tbh

I've heard awful stories

But shipping other options is just... expensive

And for a 20 EUR item it's just not worth it

[wanton crown]

It's not tracked, not sure what they could do about it

[visual depot]

If it doesn't arrive in X time I believe it would be refundable

but they'd be able to tell you how long to expect to wait

[ivory verge]

I remember waiting for a shipment from Ireland , 4 months 😄

but that was a long time ago, I was waiting for the 68060 processor

I had a bit of stress

[visual depot]

In any case, sorry for what occurred. What exactly did they say? I've never heard of issues from them

I just find it hard to believe that they would deny help unless it just simply hasn't been long enough of a wait for them to justify a refund

[wanton crown]

I just reached them and they said they could do nothing about it

Nothing dramatic, its just 20€

[visual depot]

How long has it been since the order was made

[wanton crown]

Im more annoyed about still not having ruled out such a weird issue with the psx core

A month exactly

[visual depot]

yeah might not be quite enough time to call it lost for the more extreme cases...

I would contact Royal Mail to see what they say

If it's enough time they may mark it lost and refund you

[lime grove]

There's also strikes happening in the UK

Ordering a simple cable from retrogamingcables.co.uk took like close to a month

[ivory verge]

When ordering the mt32pi, that's how I expected to wait a month

We will see 😉

[tulip moat]

You know, I wonder if it would be possible to have an option to mimic the backwards compatibility found on the PS2, since there are differences caused by the GPU emulating PS1 games.

But I have no idea if that is even remotely feasible, due to the limitations of the DE-10 NANO.

[grand sage]

If you don't have the cpu/gpu power of the PS2 to back that function does it even matter?

[summer sage]

why would you want it added

what is the justification for using up precious fabric space on "look worse" mode?

[summer sage]

I'm of the mind that any option that exists should have a compelling reason for existing. "Nostalgia for bad things" isn't really a valid reason any more than buzzing, jailbars, and other distortion unless it's achieving a specific required effect like composite blending.

I dont think shitty filters should exist either, fwiw. All options should have an argument for being appealing in some way.

buggy banding patterns don't have much of an argument for a valid use

[eternal vapor]

Something being appealing or not is completely subjective, so the best way to quantify "appeal" is probably to just observe demand. In this case, I don't think we've seen anyone request this feature to date. But I still thought it was interesting, especially the video. I didn't even realize such a big revision difference was a thing

That's probably true, didn't think about that

Yeah I definitely see the appeal for composite filters, though I don't use them myself

[summer sage]

hard disagree, some things are univerally unappealing

does anyone like having a phone with a crack in the screen?

if they do, that's probably an issue, not some "self expression"

[eternal vapor]

That's probably true. I don't think most things are that clear-cut though

And a lot of the time good judgement will be able to predict whether something is widely appealing/unappealing

[summer sage]

there are a lot of things that aren't so clear cut, but banding is one of the things that is

same with buzzing, clipping, and jailbars

nobody likes those things

[eternal vapor]

I just think that the most reliable measure is demand itself. But I think you're right that common sense is enough in these types of cases

It's just that, for example, I could see someone preferring the banding if they truly remember it looking that way, so I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it's universally unappealing. But that's just hypothetical and like I said it's not like we've seen any demand for this anyway, so it doesn't really matter which way you look at it in this case

[summer sage]

I don't really believe anyone is so sensitive and so desperate to recreate their childhood that banding artifacts are a significant need for them. If they are that desperate, they should get real hardware, because no proxy is going to satisfy a need so urgent that it must have all the same distortion and broken aspects of a specific model of console.

[eternal vapor]

That's all probably true

[summer sage]

What I think is the demand is a misguided notion that "all things must be preserved" which comes from the same flaw in human nature that leads us to collecting and hording things.

not all things are valuable or significant, or need to be carried forward in perpetuity. That's the reality of it. An ink defect in the first edition of a book has no significance in future iterations of it and doesn't change the story.

It's a historical novelty

[eternal vapor]

Yeah, I see what you're saying. Sometimes people don't really want what they think they want, so just letting demand decide everything can be a bad idea

That all makes sense. I guess I wasn't thinking about it in entirely the right way

In any case, appreciate the discussion 🙂

[abstract drift]

i don't think any emulators even bother reproducing this one

and its way easier for them to do

[eternal vapor]

Yeah, I wasn't really trying to defend the merit of this specific hypothetical feature. I think I'm just a little wary of deciding the merit/significance of things for people on their behalf. But it's definitely true that sometimes people aren't the best at deciding those things for themselves, so demand can definitely be misguided

[bitter lintel]

i'll hook up my original launch 1002 and spam grandient pics for massive triggers

[eternal vapor]

buzzing, clipping, jailbars and more color banding or we riot 😡

[rare gyro]

I remember the ridicule the idea of YC/CVBS support in MiSTer used to get.

Then when someone is crazy enough to make it happen, it starts to receive praise

[empty yacht]

If you do that I'll dust off my ps5

[cosmic cosmos]

What I think is really missing from the core is simulation of how the launch PS1 overheated. Perhaps a module could be added that require we set our MiSTers upside-down to run properly. (From Game Informer, July 1996).

[bitter lintel]

i actually put a dust cover over my ps5 because i'm not using it

it's a bit sad

the fuq am i gonna do, i have a ryzen 5600x with a 3070 now

[empty yacht]

I guess it looks more pretty this way

[ivory verge]

It is a good thing that it is the core authors who decide what is to be included, if the users decided what ideas of dubious quality were to be included, it would probably come out as quite a Frankenstein's monster

But yes I think that turning the MiSTer upside down to make the psx core work properly should be implemented, otherwise this core makes no sense 😋

[visual depot]

not sure what you mean by not a bug. Even if it was part of the design, it's clear that the decision was made due to lack of availability of components or software. Even if it was intentional, a bug does not need to be an accident to be a bug

[rugged loom]

If not 1994.12.03 sold SCPH-1000, not "original" launch.

[visual depot]

Considering it was fixed in a hardware revision, I have a feeling they had wanted it fixed from the start. It's clear they felt it was not what they wanted the console to be

So if they say that, then why would we want it to be anything else

[bitter lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/b-boomer-boomer-bttv-twitch-classic-rock-gif-15991791

[visual depot]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-colorful-pattern-flow-gif-17640964

[ivory verge]

I think each PlayStation model should be reproduced 1:1 and the user should decide at the start which model they want to use 😎

[visual depot]

I think personally there's a limit to merit to wanting it to look exactly like it used to... the banding just straight up looks worse.... I find it hard to believe even "Hardware accuracy elitists" would care that far, except very extreme cases

[visual depot]

No I get it. I just kind of find it hard to justify this to be the same as a difference between Sega Genesis audio chips

That's just my opinion anyway

Like I've never seen anyone complain about this lol

So this is a first for me

[eternal vapor]

Even now I don't think anyone's complaining about it. It was sort of brought up as a hypothetical and sparked an adjacent discussion about how feature inclusion decisions are made

[visual depot]

Haha fair enough

Maybe we should pray to god ( @tropic stratus )

[eternal vapor]

Yeah lol I don't think either me or @upper forge were expressing any real desire for this hypothetical feature

[visual depot]

It's an interesting idea

I'll be perfectly honest I didn't even know there was this difference between models

[eternal vapor]

Yeah I didn't until today either haha, it's pretty interesting there was such a major difference

[ivory verge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=185&v=PQrRSNL_YJw&feature=youtu.be

[summer sage]

It's still the worst possible choice for video output. People just really want to use TV's that can't do better. Let's not try to dress it up here

"I need composite because my TV will literally not work without it"is a fairly coherent argument

[cosmic cosmos]

The interesting thing about having the YC/CVBS support is that it now lets people really compare things on an even playing field and face reality. I was one of those that really wanted composite. Seeing Genesis composite output for the first time was quite a wake-up call.

I used composite a lot at first but find myself using it less and less. S-video on particular displays is something I find HUGE value in though, particularly for PSX

[rare gyro]

I think it's a good choice for those who want sprites and textures to look as they were intended to. Colors were often picked based on how it would look on a CRT with a CVBS or RF input.

Just the CRT by itself isn't enough. using YPbPr can lose the intended color blending.

[summer sage]

that "intended to" bullshit is totally wrong 95% of the time

most of the time we don't know the artist's intent, but only on old consoles was it ever assumed to be composite

like, third gen, or even before

genesis being the primary exception where even as an embarassment of a fourth gen console it got desperate enough to get sloppy

[visual depot]

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of devkits and such used higher tier video output than composite lol

[summer sage]

on third gen the graphics were made on things like graphpaper, and later pc's

fourth gen was mostly specialized pc tools, with computer monitors

there are footage of people testing the graphics on pvm's and pc displays

[visual depot]

Yeah I'm not sure I believe the entire "tested on consumer grade TV's" tbh

You don't develop a game on primitive technology imo lol

[summer sage]

composite video is like putting video output through a meatgrinder

[manic citrus]

I like how it's 2023 and there are people actively trying to 'downgrade' graphics to composite quality for 'authenticity', meanwhile 1990s me hooked up something with svideo and was like 'I'M NEVER USING SHITTY YELLOW CABLES AGAIN'

[summer sage]

it's lopping off chunks of color data and creating unpredictable luma/chroma artifacts and all kinds of other distortion

[visual depot]

Honestly I expect a large amount of people in Europe used neither S-Video nor Composite, having easier access to SCART... at least I assume they did

[summer sage]

it's really bad from virtually ANY perspective

[visual depot]

Part of the issue is we didn't have SCART. and consoles didn't have native YPbPr support a lot of times, but had RGB... but we didn't have any RGB cable standards in the US

So we had nothing but s-video and composite

The jump to component for the PS2 and onwards was so much bigger for us

[summer sage]

USA didn't have scart, but japan sure did (jp21)

[visual depot]

Nobody here really knew how good the 16-bit era could look

[summer sage]

they also had svideo before us

[visual depot]

At least not many

[summer sage]

and they made the games

[visual depot]

did they? didn't know

[summer sage]

haha

[visual depot]

And yeah funny on the subject of Tomb Raider. That was developed in Europe right?

[summer sage]

most of em

[visual depot]

If I recall, anyway

[cosmic cosmos]

I mean, you can watch lots of making of videos, like the hour+ making of Lunar videos and see multiple examples. Develop on RGB or PC monitors, check your work on various other displays, including composite. It's just like a recording artist listening to their album in a honda

[iron abyss]

Oh now my Honda sucks too

[manic citrus]

next step: cry when you see what composite does to your work

[visual depot]

They may check them, but the RGB/PC monitors were their main development bench still

[iron abyss]

Going to go watch VHS over RF in my Honda

[visual depot]

So there isn't a lot of validity of "designed for composite"

lol

[summer sage]

if they really wanted to make something for composite they'd just pre-smear all the colors and make them like blocks

[visual depot]

Honestly everything I've played with component on the MiSTer looks like the detail meshes VERY well on my CRT

Everything blends really well

[summer sage]

especially on consoles that supported high numbers of colors

yes, because it's radically subsampling the chroma and the luma is semi-damaged

it's literally impossible to make a sharp edge

[visual depot]

I can understand people being curious about what composite looks like now... I do. But anyone that acts like it's the purest form of retro gaming just says it to impress imo

Also like Kitrinx said, some CRT's just have nothing BUT RF and Composite, so I understand the need for it there

[iron abyss]

#crt message

Checkmate

[summer sage]

from an accessibility point of view, especially in the USA, I get why you'd want to have it as an option

but anyone who says it's a superior aesthetic choice is on crack

[visual depot]

I don't trust that as viable proof until I see it on another CRT

[rare gyro]

I've seen enough comparison pictures that I respectfully disagree

[visual depot]

Also photos are hard to prove it's not noticeable

Could be something that happened with the camera, with the opposite frame/etc

[summer sage]

im sure they were totally unbiased comparisons

[rare gyro]

I wouldn't either, but I'm sure they were aware how most of the consumers would see their work

[visual depot]

Water effects have looked fine for me with Sonic with component

[cosmic cosmos]

Sometimes it's a gameplay issue. I've shared this before, but in this case, this doorway is practically invisible in S-video, but becomes apparent in composite.

[visual depot]

do you have a save/savestate for that point?

I'd like to see for myself. I'm curious

[cosmic cosmos]

I think so. I'll check in a bit

[summer sage]

are you trying to show all the detail lost on rht eright?

[visual depot]

The door in the middle of the waterfall is almost impossible to to see on the left with component

[summer sage]

the bricks become nearly monotone on the right

[cosmic cosmos]

Should be one in here. It's the Unworked Designs 1.1 patch, I think but probably works on multiple versions

I really don't like the gross notches on the Genesis composite output, so I am NOT arguing for accuracy. But I sure do love the way it looks in Genesis GX Plus out of the Wii on composite. Better than RGB with the composite blend filter, in my opinion

[summer sage]

genesis was a deeply flawed console

it sort of requires it to display the images correctly, or at least image blending

[cosmic cosmos]

I completely agree that composite is an inferior signal. For a newly designed game on the same system, like Demons of Asteborg, it makes no sense to use it. But I think there are a lot of cases of teams doing whatever they could with the options they had to get an advantage over the competition

Anyway, I've gone off topic. I expected to like PSX on composite more than I do. S-video with 24-bit color looks so good. That's my preference for this system

[visual depot]

@cosmic cosmoswhich way do I head from the save?

I'm not familiar with Lunar 2

component on mine 😉

looks way more clear than their comparison showed component looking

composite blend is off

video in #crt

[rare gyro]

yeah, I never quite subscribed to the idea that bright and sharp pixels is the ideal. even in the days of early emulation in the 90s, I didn't enjoy how all the dithering as well as high contrast pixels in sprites would stand out, and not forming the colors that I remember. but for those who grew up on those emulators, perhaps it's better for them.

[empty yacht]

it is called rgb

we had those sharp pixels

at least compared to the other input variants

[summer sage]

you don't need composite to have unsharp pixels

there's plenty of much better ways to do it

[visual depot]

I mean just look at my video in #crt

it doesn't have "super sharp" pixels and looks blended well

and I'm using component

the motion of frame by frame does wonders with that generation of consoles

[eternal vapor]

I think some people just like the way composite and/or s-video looks, whether for nostalgia or just pure aesthetics, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Even putting artists' intent (and setups that can't do RGB/component) aside, that seems like a more than solid argument for inclusion to me. As long as it's not really hurting other users, I don't see why enabling people to enjoy the things they enjoy should be insufficient grounds

Assuming a significant amount of people do have such a preference. But I also don't have any real grasp of FPGA resource limitations, or how hard it was to implement, to weigh against that

[visual depot]

I am Groot

[strange holly]

Most of us here in Europe used composite through a scart input. The included cables for the consoles were not RGB. The pin connectors were missing ( and I guess the connections internally too ). The first RGB cable I ever bought was for PS1 . Had a NES and SNES before that although I was too young to even know about any of those things.

[empty yacht]

Saturn came with an RGB cable

RGB was a must for playing NTSC psx games

[visual depot]

Some consoles didn't have it natively, but some very much did support RGB natively

[strange holly]

That's why I got a PS1 RGB cable.

[visual depot]

But yeah I'm not sure of the entire "cable" issue

I had heard about that

[empty yacht]

some as in cheap nintendo (except for snes)

ok, maybe some sms revisions without modifications

[strange holly]

The worst part is we were too naive and didn't realize that the cables, although the connection was scart, were only composite ( PS1 and PS2 specifically )

Some people never had the opportunity to play the games in good conditions. Or even knew there were better ways.

[visual depot]

Large-model SNES, Genesis 3, Saturn, PAL Gamecube, Atari Jaguar, NeoGeo, PlayStation,

All support it natively with just a cable

[strange holly]

Yes, I know.That's not the problem.

Tech savvy people absolutely used RGB.

[visual depot]

But you're saying it wasn't exactly common knowledge

[strange holly]

yeah

[empty yacht]

ah, my mistake.
understood your statement in the inverse

[visual depot]

I understand that... I wasn't saying it was like super amazingly huge or anything

[eternal vapor]

Yeah, it makes sense to me that most people wouldn't know to go out looking for an RGB cable. Just like how all my childhood consoles were used via composite until many years later when I discovered S-video/component

[empty yacht]

The cables were listed in the accessory catalogs, magazines did explain the advantages of rgb

[strange holly]

Sorry If my idea wasn't coming across. English is not my mother tongue.

[eternal vapor]

I think your point came across fine 🙂

[visual depot]

I was saying that in the US, we didn't have anything BUT composite/S-Video, and some consoles here didn't even have RGB for our region, when PAL did. My main point was we didn't ever have anything BUT composite at the time... when the consoles were in fact capable of a much higher fidelity

So when PS2 came out with component, it was that much more impressive of a difference to us

Even if a lot of us didn't have component cables....

[empty yacht]

and we were mad because sony tried to prevent proper rgb output for dvds

[visual depot]

We skipped an entire era of cables

And I think our tech lagged a bit behind because of it imo

It was a long time before HD was mainstream

[cosmic cosmos]

I went and checked out the Japanese launch manuals for a bunch of consoles a little while back. Here's the PSX one from 1994, according to Archive.org anyway.

[visual depot]

lol they even promoted the official RGB cable

I can imagine stores being like "Does your TV support JP-21?"

"Then you need to buy this cable. It's a must to have a beautiful graphics"

[cosmic cosmos]

Meanwhile in 1997's Moon Remix RPG, they show a kid with a PSX on the floor hooked up with composite

ironically, my CRT cuts off the composite input

[visual depot]

lol

[strange holly]

But anyway, the thing I was trying to point out is, we all missed an era of cables. So don't feel too bad. Of course any European interested in games knows you didn't have RGB but we had slowed down games..

[cosmic cosmos]

Kid is doing it wrong. Needs to have his PSX upside-down.

[strange holly]

pick your poison..

Can't play certain pal games now. Even though I grew up with it.

[fluid condor]

https://twitter.com/ultrabrilliant/status/1469099546093490184

Andy Kelly 🔜 PAX East (@ultrabrilliant)

Sega AM2 offices during the making of Shenmue.

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[serene nebula]

That explains why it kept getting delayed. All those screens must've been distracting.

[forest trench]

Well, we did have something other than composite
Everyone shitting on composite, are you forgetting about RF?

My only console until the late '80s was a 2600, hooked up via RF
The only other console I played regularly was my cousin's NES, also RF
Then my best friend got a Genesis, and you guessed it, RF
It wasn't until '92 when I bought a SNES that I played a console with composite, and it was impressive at the time

[visual depot]

Oh we had rf too haha

I did say rf earlier.

[harsh shale]

Until 1998 RF was all I had lol

NES and Genesis

[azure niche]

It's not just Genesis though. There's Sega Master System games that clearly relied on composite, the Saturn used dithering for fake transparencies and both PSX and N64 use dithering to hide color banding and add noise to low res textures.

I do agree that running the whole video signal "through a meatgrinder" just to blend certain parts of certain games is a shame though. That's why I wish the Genesis core's adaptive composite blend worked better.

[summer sage]

well, sega won't be remembered for being a successful console making company 🙂

[azure niche]

[tacit fox]

Lots of trolling in here huh

Behave, kids!

[azure niche]

I thought the conversations were quite civil

[hidden prism]

No kidding

It’s like the other discord servers filled with plebs

[visual depot]

and this dithering effect works on Component too?

lol

Not sure why people think those effects only work on Composite

[summer sage]

dithering works on anything

they used it on computer monitors

[visual depot]

I literally showed videos of the dithering-based transparency effects working on component lol

It's the way the picture is displayed that's the deciding factor, not the signal

[summer sage]

saturn was very much an rgb and svideo console, it just had mediocre transparency

n64 had built in blur, no composite needed

[visual depot]

These effects don't look right on a PVM possibly, but then ... PVM's I don't think were intended for gaming anyway, were they?

Even if that's a wrongful assumption on my part, if you're wanting to use composite on a PVM, why are you wanting a softened image on a TV that's intended for a sharp image?

Sounds a bit counterintuitive to me, but I digress

[oblique frost]

I stopped questioning crt people logic :p

[azure niche]

Sure. But it's not going to blend that well. Sonic 3D Blast will always be my go-to example

[visual depot]

is that saturn or genesis?

[azure niche]

The CG Sonic in the title screen is dithered to hell and back and all of the shadows use a black checkerboard. If you blend all the dither patterns it looks fine but the raw pixels don't look great and a CRT's shadow mask doesn't fully hide it

That's the Genesis version

[random gust]

Until 2009, RF was all I had (for console, for which there was only one).

[azure niche]

I play that game with the Genesis core's composite blend on. Makes it blurry but there's so much dithering everywhere in that game that I find it distracting

[visual depot]

why is that image so artifacty lol

[azure niche]

Because I'm on my phone and grabbed the first one off Google that shows the shadows lol

[visual depot]

I grew up with GBA so the shaded pixel patterns kind of always looked normal to me

[azure niche]

That's fair

I will say it was a lot less distracting on a teeny non-backlit GBA screen than it is on a 37" Trinitron though

[fluid condor]

https://youtu.be/nTe6Uph4PqY

[visual depot]

I played a lot of them on emulators, and didn't use any filters

[tropic stratus]

for the early psx banding discussion: this is a very easy change. If someone really wants it, i can tell you which lines to change, so you can build a special core with it. But 2 side notes: don't share it and don't ever ask to make this an option, only use it for your own pain 😛

[manic citrus]

tell me privately so I can make a youtube video and then refuse to tell anyone else how

(don't do this)

[ember cedar]

Post about how you're trying to work out how to do it followed by "nevermind, figured it out"

[iron abyss]

Need to tap into the masochist market. Maybe some misteraddons branded nipple clamps that deliver a shock when you die. Or when you high score? Not sure how people want their punishment

(And you can’t disable PSX banding of course)

This is probably how Kitrinx views us tubemen, all self loathing and ball gags

[oblique frost]

I mean, is she wrong?

[iron abyss]

I do call my basement my crt dungeon. Maybe I’m on the path

[tacit fox]

Any clues on which core is zumspass currently working? 🤔

[foggy quiver]

No clue, could it be NGP or 3DO?

[dark mountain]

NGP is already done by Jotego.

[bitter lintel]

yes yes but now i've learned some people are also actively running their signal through another couple of boxes to get that "authentic" RF signal. rofl

[little frost]

@tacit fox Could be Jaguar too…🤔

[tacit fox]

It’s a MiSTery

[lost summit]

there is already a core named MiSTery for MiST 🙂

[summer sage]

it's the ST core (the same one we use)

[pseudo veldt]

I mean desperately hoping for Game.com, the best handheld console lost to time.

[tacit fox]

My bet is on a handheld

[quick gyro]

2 words. Nokia N-Gage

You had to turn the phone off to change the cartridge. How awesome is that 😎

[plucky mist]

My bet is on the DS. With analogue and hdmi dual screen action.

[bitter lintel]

i'm gonna guess he continued work on ds too and just..... figured it out

he BELIEVED

🙏

[little frost]

that’d be wild if that’s what it ended up being, but it seems too good to be true

[eternal vapor]

Yeah I don't know about setting hopes quite so high haha

[ivory verge]

Whatever it is, it's sure to be great

[plucky mist]

Haha I’m imagining dual thumbstick support and DualShock4/5 trackpad support for the second screen

[rare gyro]

considering what he accomplished so far, it wouldn't suprise me if he were making an i586 core 😄

perhaps the 60Mhz "P5" model

[zenith flower]

Searched around but coulnd't find anything on this. Does anyone else get weird artifacting in the graphics with DIther 24-bit for VGA on? I enabled both since I have an analogue IO board and I get a bunch of lines and other graphical artifacting in Silent Hill. I also notice it on the PS1 boot screen (lines moving around when the Sony logo comes up). No issues with Dither 24 bit off, 24-bit itself, or regular non-24 bit dithering. Only seems to happen in game and on 2D elements, the FMVs had no problems.

Dithering: Off
24-bit: On
Dither 24-bit: On

Over ypbpr component.

first is dither 24 bit off, second is it on, you can see weird stuff as the snow falls

[torn yoke]

I'm not sure how it should work on real hardware, but know dithering is required to remove that artifact.

[zenith flower]

Oh, weird. Strange it doesn't show up on 24 bit alone. Seems like I picked the wrong game to test.

[hazy stump]

Hey friends, does anyone know why my PSX core started freezing at bios after a recent update?

Gets stuck at this screen

Only happens on some games

[forest trench]

Probably the laser

[hazy stump]

I see. Is there anything I can change to fix it. Seems it doesn't like some of my rips

And they all worked before

Whoops. My bad, I should have posted this in the help channel

[forest trench]

That was a joke 🙂
Posting here is fine if it's related to the PSX core
Might be your BIOS files, does it only happen with a particular region?

[hazy stump]

All my rips are NTSC-U region. Some work and others dont now 😦

They're all BIN/CUE format and in their own folders

[summer sage]

Hey Robert I know you love zelda games but are you sure these guys are ready fro a CDi core? What a fine evening.

[serene nebula]

Could you imagine how awesome a CDi core would be? 👀

[iron abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/king-gif-20510031

[oblique frost]

it'd almost be worth it just so people would stop asking about it

[iron abyss]

It would be fun to mess around with, but you’d be haunted knowing what the dev endured for your brief chuckle and head shake

[oblique frost]

I previously owned a CDi, and that's the ownership experience

brief chuckle and then depression

the meme games are legitimately awful to play

and that's about all the console has to offer along with some FMV lightgun games

[hidden prism]

Anytime a vendor does a cost-down before the thing even has e2e playable experiences, it’s doomed. CD-i, Kinect 1.0, …

[tacit fox]

Hopefully it’s not a CDi core 🙏

[oblique frost]

it'll be whatever Robert wishes to bestow upon us mortals

[random gust]

That's disappointing. I was hoping to have an experience akin to 'The Room'.

[tropic stratus]

BIOS files should be ok, otherwise it could not boot until there....it seems the CD support is broken for some reason

if it only happens on some games, i would check what is different with these. You can also tell us one of them, so we can check against. Maybe really something broke?

[ivory verge]

#help message

[tropic stratus]

i see, different channel. great it's at least no general problem 🙂

[ivory verge]

yeah, RE2 definitely works fine 🙂

[devout nacelle]

I have no idea what's next but I have gathered that Robert works on cores for stuff he actually wants to play.

[forest trench]

DDR core?

[devout nacelle]

Hmm..lol

If he hadn't said he wasn't interested in doing Arcade stuff.

[lime grove]

system 573 is pretty similar to ps1.. maybe

[abstract drift]

https://twitter.com/8bitmods/status/1631745983200591883?s=20

8BitMods (@8bitmods)

How cool is this!?

A native way to send the GameID to the #MemCardPRO or #PS1Digital on the PlayStation 1 with no launcher software! This even works on original discs!
Many thanks to @bobrocks95 for this awesome open source project! (WIP, see the README)

https://t.co/scG3UuDc5R

Twitter · Mar 3, 2023, 7:58 PM

should work to get gameid working on the core i think

so now "the memory card problem" is solved 2 different ways 😄

[manic citrus]

we already extract game ids from the disc?

[abstract drift]

yeah but this will send it to a memcardpro attached via snac

[manic citrus]

just run that bios and see what happens

[abstract drift]

yeah i need to find where i put my multitap

[tropic stratus]

seems like a really easy method

core could easily do that while the bios runs and pads are not in use anyway....however, who really needs it? Seems very redundant with virtual memcards + SNAC working now

i guess for the few who want to share memcardpro with a real psx, the bios is a good solution

[manic citrus]

I don't even think the core needs to do anything? if someone wants that they can just use the bios

[tropic stratus]

yes, i just thought if this was of general use for everyone, the core could do it for better convenience

[abstract drift]

it would be worth it except we just do vmc+snac now anyway 😄

like yeah the only use for it would be if you need to swap back and forth from a real psx to the core a ton

which i did for a bit, before the core got so good i stopped really ever using my psx

[bitter lintel]

question - why the interest in using a memcard pro when you can just use the sd card on the mister?

you're already venturing into unofficial hardware with the memcard pro

isn't the whole point of using snac and a memory card adapter to cling onto your original hardware memories?

[tropic stratus]

i guess only for transferring between real psx and the core with the comfort of having many memcards in one memcard

we could live without that feature in the past and with the bios even enabling it, it should be fine anyway

[fluid condor]

PSX FMVs are very blocky on Y/C board composite via IO board compared to real PSX. https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=69985#p69985

Y/C board via direct video is much better but still not as good as real system.

[bitter lintel]

back to the drawing table

[tacit fox]

Looks like what is expected from composite to me?

A shitty image

[tropic stratus]

3 weeks later it's done, great game

(with nice FMVs using smooth upscaling to 1080p on OLED TV 🙂 )

[ivory verge]

Nice 👍🏻

[tropic stratus]

No idea how long it's been that i spend 30 hours on one game, but this one really kept me coming back to it for 1-2 hours each day

[ivory verge]

After fnished IX and VIII which one is better for you?

[tropic stratus]

i like 8, but 9 is probably the better game, both story wise and battle system. But the card game is bad 😛

[pseudo plinth]

The ending is amazing, the transitions from graphics rendered to fmv are amazing on IX, for me of all Final fantasy is what I most want a remake

Finished on psone, I think I have to book time to play it on core

[tropic stratus]

i would have been very angry on the console for the scarse savepoints during the end...i think it took me 1 hour from the second last to the last savepoint and the group died from a random encounter with a 1-hit-ko attack(all full health) 1 screen before that savepoint. Thankfully i had a savestate 5 minutes earlier

[tacit fox]

I’m with 70 hours and yet on CD 1 in Dragon Quest VII 😅

[tropic stratus]

with such large RPGs...as a teenager i would have spend a lot more time, but today, i'm happy if i can be finish it at all

[ivory verge]

Dragon Quest bored me...( don't hit me) , I didn't finish it

[bitter lintel]

i used to own [email protected]

[cosmic cosmos]

The savestates really opened up the PSX library for me. I really miss them in SNES RPGs. I wish more games were like the Lunar ones and let you save anywhere

[harsh shale]

Is the one in the right the MiSTer? Are you using the active adapter? What vga_mode setting are you using?

[tacit fox]

For sure if someone is not a hard fan, it’s sooo boring indeed haha

[ivory verge]

I also tried to play DQ on 3ds , but same thing

[cosmic cosmos]

I really enjoyed the Dragon Quest 3 remake and Dragon Quest V on SNES. Haven't really enjoyed much of others

DQ1 on Game Boy Color was an okay time. Never could get far in the NES one

[tacit fox]

Dropped DQ2 because of random encounters at every 2 secs

[eternal vapor]

Do you have dither 24 bit on VGA enabled? FMVs are usually 24 bit but io board can't do 24 bit. But I would have thought direct video would remedy the issue

[tropic stratus]

It looks like it's just not blurry enough compared to the original output

[harsh shale]

Also a bit desaturated