Sony PlayStation

[wanton crown]

Cant be a hash thing, as it was reverified through ssh and sha1sum and retrieved from the same source by other users

I dont understand, I'm just using latest mister release (22.12.24) and latest psx stable core.

Could it be the heat sink ? Lol

the white adhesive is a bit bigger than the de 10 nano, maybe I did something wrong

@wooden rose I asked you for your ddr 3 chips (just on the de 10 nano's right side here), dont know if you remember the ones your board has ? (Asking you since among other users here you have the most recent de 10 nano purchase)

[wooden rose]

I'll have to disassemble it sometime...

[timber veldt]

@wanton crown Did you get your BIOS from bios getter?

[wanton crown]

Got them from update all

And also I set up another sd card once again and set up the bios myself there, same thing

Also occurs on us version of the game, tbh we already tried everything

[scenic reef]

it's possible that there is some random short happening, i would run the mister for a good bit to get it warm, turn off and unplug power from the mister (including hdmi, which can carry power), and then remove the heatsink by slowly carefully twisting to get it to release easily, then cut the pad down slightly and a couple edges and reapply carefully with very little force

it doesn't need to cover the entire chip, that is just a TIM that is covering a chip underneath that is smaller, so the contact area on that pad is overkill

[wanton crown]

Will try that

[scenic reef]

i would fix that regardless if it fixes this issue

[west storm]

If you're going to try that, try it briefly with the heat sink removed. Point a fan at it.

[summer sage]

if it was anything related to a defect in the FPGA two different builds would have completely different outcomes

[scenic reef]

that's a good point too, if it were related to like a dead logic cell or whatever

but in this case, i thought there were some tiny resistors around the edge of the chip

[summer sage]

and honestly, it would be a hell of a lot more noticeable than a single game

ANY issue, even a ram issue would be

[scenic reef]

yeah, true

still good to just not have oversized thermal tape on it anyways

[summer sage]

sure, but it's de10, i'd be surprised if it mattered unless it was actually insulating the thing

[scenic reef]

these are the only chips that i would be worried aboutt something like that messing with

doesn't look like it's extending that far

[summer sage]

low or very dirty power can cause odd issues sometimes, if there's a hungry pheripheral or a bad power switch

[scenic reef]

a revision of ddr3 on very new ones could maybe result in this? because the framebuffer is in there and all?

[summer sage]

they can create marginal situations

[scenic reef]

yeah power is a good call as well

[summer sage]

nah it can't have anything to do with that

framebuffer problems would be noticeable all over the place

[scenic reef]

other stuff in ddr3 for the psx core is the spu (in the single sdram build) and.... i forget what else lol

but yeah power is wha ti would suspect at this point too given your explanation

[summer sage]

and the sdram was swapped out right?

if you harken back to the old final fantasy glitch which was decaying sdram, FPGA's are so deterministic sometimes marginal behavior can become deterministic

[scenic reef]

yeah the ff6 glitch?

[summer sage]

yeah

[wanton crown]

Yea sd ram swapped out, and anyway its different setups

[scenic reef]

the neo geo issue as well that happened that sorg fixed with a little pipelining

[wanton crown]

Ill recheck the heatsink tonight

Will remove it

[summer sage]

well you're doing something the same on each, because there's like nearly 0% it's three bad de10 boards

[wanton crown]

Not a power issue btw, two different quality power supplies at two different places ; work place and house

Well the only common thing remaining is that they were bought early september and early november.

[summer sage]

where'd you get the sdram from?

[wanton crown]

But indeed, 0 glitch in other games or anything. Ever.

misterfpga.co.uk

All of them

I never bought anything outside this site, misteraddons and of course terasic

[summer sage]

can you see the logo on the chip, is it a standard winbond or alliance chips?

im pretty sure that guy makes the standard design for sdram

[wanton crown]

Good point I havent checked the chips themselves

But I thought the 128mb sd ram sticks were all the same

[summer sage]

there was a bug with archie core a long time ago where one brand of sdram chip caused marginal behavior

[wanton crown]

Its alliance chips

[summer sage]

those are fine

[wanton crown]

Cf my heatsink screenshot just above

[tropic stratus]

again: the build it started to happen does change the sdram behavior. It's using smaller bursts since then and leaves the bank open for longer

that's the only real change and if any build starting from there has it, it must be related somehow to this change

[tacit fox]

I think the SNES FF6 bug was related to SRAM refreshes that weren't happening in the correct times? Difference in capacitance and even temperature of RAM modules made some people to experience that bug and others not.

32MB modules are less prone to that issue, so that's why I've suggested 0x539 to ultimately give it a try with a 32MB module.

[ivory verge]

My offer to send sdram ( I also have 32mb ) to 0x539 is valid

I guess it will be better than buying a fourth de10

[tacit fox]

Yep. 32MB are like $10 shipped on ebay?

[iron abyss]

No, your DE10s are bad send them to my ewaste company for proper disposal

[ivory verge]

A friend of mine produces sdramas, and I also have some 128 v2.9

I checked all the ones I have and the game works ok

[timber veldt]

My 128mb SDRAM was built by a self taught afghan hardware engineer (I’m from that country myself). I promised him green tea and bad jokes, but I ended up having an argument with him about a subject. His sdram is still going strong to this day. Thank you

[tacit fox]

This was the commit that fixed that FF bug I mentioned above in the SNES core: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/SNES_MiSTer/commit/7559d08dd58c6ad028eb8931753e3cdee50c6ea4

[wanton crown]

When could you send it ? Otherwise im just buying one tonight

[ivory verge]

Next week

[wanton crown]

Dont bother I'll try removing the heatsink and then I'll order a 32 mb sd ram if that didnt work

[ivory verge]

Ok

[wanton crown]

Thanks tho

[ivory verge]

No prob friend 🍻

I hope your issue will be resolved

[wanton crown]

I'll put the damn mister in the fridge if I have to

This issue will go down before I do

[wooden rose]

This was my first hunch too, if the voltage is ever-so-slightly too low, logic may fail and RAM may not work properly

@wanton crown do you have a multimeter, and if so, have you checked the board voltage?

[summer sage]

or a more direct question, did you try a different controller or removing any kind of power switches

[wanton crown]

I have, havent checked board voltage tho

[summer sage]

or any external hdd's etc

[wanton crown]

Yes Kitrinx all of it

[wooden rose]

a minor short could cause a voltage drop, it's rare but it can happen

but first you would need to confirm that that is the issue

and like said before, i would expect weird things to happen in more games

[ivory verge]

The most interesting thing is , that 99,9% of other games work ok

[wanton crown]

A short in 3 different setups looks unlikely. Common point left is the heatsink

[ivory verge]

Yeah

[summer sage]

just take it off then, but I don't really see that as a likely culprit

[wooden rose]

Yeah that seems unlikely to me too

[summer sage]

you can do fine with no cooling

[wooden rose]

It does get quite hot, I am using pork's case which is set up to use the entire case as heatsink, and yeah, it's warm

But that isn't an issue

These chips can take the heat

[summer sage]

they wont overheat, it's just a stability thing, but not an egregious one

and theoretically a longevity thing but that's rather hard to test

anyway, the heat sink is pretty unlikely

[wooden rose]

Most cores are built with certain temperature ranges in mind no?

I think like 120celcius

[wanton crown]

Yea unlikely but will try anyway

[tropic stratus]

wouldn't be surprised if in the end it was something weird, like the game detected as PAL instead of JP or something

this all is much too stable and reproducible to be any hardware problem

maybe the slight timing change of the build is indeed the problem together with wrong region?

[full nimbus]

The other way is to have someone image their working SDcard and use that as a test

[tacit fox]

SNES core old FF6 bug affected me and could reproduce it always and it was triggered always at the same spot

So timing issues could explain this as well

[summer sage]

the ff6 issue was a specific sdram edge case where it wasn't refreshed frequently enough in that particular series of events and the ram would decay

it only occured for some specific ram modules that were more sensitive to decaying fast

in this case, the OP states they changed their ram, so it seems less likely

[still palm]

did he end up trying the US version of game? he was testing JP i think.

[full nimbus]

said it was the same

No one else could reproduce it

3 different DE10

and everyone of his is the same

but no one else has the issue

its so unlikely that 3 independent De10 have a fault that only shows in this one game

[wooden rose]

@scenic reef Wanted to share this hack with you, it really improves the FF9 experience https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1799/
works on 1.1

[full nimbus]

Only way i can see is for someone to image their working one and have that be used then we eliminate the setup stages

[iron abyss]

Going to keep up-thumbing this suggestion

Maybe it’s an elaborate troll, going where even @bitter lintels fear to tread

[wanton crown]

Tbh not an image problem, I started from fresh sd cards everytime from mr fusion 2.5 image and only ran update scripr everytime.

I'm going back home and will test removing the heatsink, otherwise will just buy a 32 mb sd ram

[full nimbus]

yes but the common thing was you

you may be doing something strange

and a working image from someone else eliminates you from the problem

There is no way you have 3 heatsinks fitted that cause this issue in a single game only

[ivory verge]

I agree this is a good solution, you have to try everything

we just want to help, I believe that you are doing everything ok , but it is good to eliminate every possible cause

[wanton crown]

Heatsinks are all the same and all sited the same, but feel free to send me another image.

Ideally not a too big one but I guess that's asking too much

[full nimbus]

I only have 512 gb and bigger cards

so cant produce one for you

[abstract drift]

could try sending over just config files?

like the mister ini, and the psx config file

[wanton crown]

I sent someone my config files and he couldnt reproduce

[summer sage]

you're doing something

it's not the hardware

[still palm]

yeah he's supplying bios and games. maybe copy both back from the sd card and check hashes, to make sure something isn't corrupt. and compare game from sd to another fresh download of the game just to make sure no byte differences.

could be repeatedly doing the same thing to cause the problem.

doubt it's 3 sets of hardware, although not working after sdram change seems to point to sdram. unless he bought all three at the same time. unless whoever he got them from is doing something different now

[tropic stratus]

it's not even the game image, it's already in the savestate

you can try to rule it out by using any other game and rename the "buggy" savestate to that other game and load it that way

also switch regions manually

also please provide a savestate from the US version that flickers directly after loading the savestate for you

want to compare the rendering process is 100% the same

[wanton crown]

I tried switching regions manually after loading the save state

[timber veldt]

Can you do a mister discord stream and show us how you do it?

[wanton crown]

to be honest all three sdrams were bought at the same time.

[timber veldt]

Serious question

From start to finish

[summer sage]

it's not the hardware

[wanton crown]

I have an acquisition card and can show you the output

[timber veldt]

Next mister discord event lol

[wanton crown]

filming, that I can't

[timber veldt]

Let us all witness this

[wanton crown]

removing heatsink right now before exploring new ideas

[summer sage]

it just isn't. You're not going to get this specific and deterministic outcome with 6 different hardware configurations, even if one of them has marginal behavior.

they didn't make any revisions to their hardware, they announce it when they do

you're somehow not starting fresh between builds, loading something on there that's carrying over state, or doing some other thing the same each time that nobody else is

[wanton crown]

as much as I'd want what you said to be the case, it truly is not

I know what I'm doing to some extent

[tropic stratus]

the last primitive drawn by the game is really weird and looks like it should not be there, but it's mostly drawn offscreen. However, a single flipped bit could lead to the problem we see here. But even that does not explain why always the same bit flips

also this primitive is a quad, but the flicker has the shape of a triangle

[wanton crown]

removed heatsink, same thing

[full nimbus]

No surprise

[wanton crown]

aright, ordering 32 mb sd ram

done

if it still shows the same behavior, I'm definitely buying a new de 10 nano

[full nimbus]

I can sell you a De10 magic table for just 10k if you want ?

[wanton crown]

I'm not that rich

[still palm]

what about doing a savestate from the working core and then trying that on non working core?

[wanton crown]

could do that indeed, haven't tried

[tacit fox]

@wanton crown what input devices are you using on your MiSTer?

[wanton crown]

I already tried a lot of input devices, but I mainly use PS5 controller (which isn't that good for PSX but whatever that's what I've close enough)

[tacit fox]

Wired?

[wanton crown]

yea

I tried keyboard, PSX snac, PS4 controller, whatever, it doesn't change anything

[tacit fox]

Gotcha

[tropic stratus]

please provide the savestate of the US version at a spot where it occurs

[wanton crown]

providing that in a minute

[tropic stratus]

i will load it, verify and upload a savestate from the working version

[wanton crown]

so a savestate on the 22.11.20 unstable build (where the problem did not occur) on US version right ?

[tropic stratus]

if you load the same savestate in a later build, you get instant flicker?

[wanton crown]

here's a savestate made from the US version, on a version of the core that works for me.
Loading it on a core that reproduces the glitch for me still causes it to glitch

[wanton crown]

yes

[tropic stratus]

as expected, works fine

[gilded trellis]

i will check, the last savestate works for me on unstable core (non on stable)

[ivory verge]

Works with flicker or dont work at all?

[gilded trellis]

when savestates loads correctly, works fine

just saying maybe savestates are not compatibilty between unstable and stable core

[ivory verge]

is impossible

[wanton crown]

works fine on my end (loading save states from a previous version of the core), changes nothing glitch wise

[gilded trellis]

you are right, it's working now (i don't know i did..)

[tropic stratus]

i have savestates from october 2021 i still use. They report a errorcode because of the missing SPU, but otherwise are fine 🙂

some might still remember the big polygon bugs from the beginning. I have one of them preserved for eternity 😛

[wanton crown]

the ddr3 ram of my board : https://www.mouser.fr/datasheet/2/198/43_46TR16256B_85120BL-1518528.pdf
one of ddr3 ram of older boards : https://www.mouser.fr/datasheet/2/198/43_46TR16128D_82560DL-1488092.pdf
not any meaningful difference ...

besides an asynchronous reset pin it seems

[tropic stratus]

very unlikely the issue has anything to do with ddr3 if it started with this one build

[wanton crown]

well, I guess we'll just wait for the 32mb sd ram to come 😦

[gilded trellis]

i tested with stable and the last unstable (usa and japan savestates) both fine

[wanton crown]

thanks for testing, I'm still alone here it seems

[gilded trellis]

in my case on crt (doesn't matter i think)

[wanton crown]

funnily enough the flicker is not constant, although I have a rock solid 30 fps
yes doesn't matter, I do it on CRT but get it through hdmi as well

[summer sage]

Most cases like this have been power or sdram

[wooden rose]

my money is on power

if it was sdram it would show more issues, i would think

but we'll find out

[summer sage]

if the sdram was swapped it's fairly unlikely that both would be the exact same

[wooden rose]

that aside, if memtest succeeded you can rule it out basically, unless its power causing bit flips, but then you'll be back to that

[wanton crown]

two quality power supplies (these https://misterfpga.co.uk/product/mister-fpga-power-supply/) being bad ? seems unlikely

[summer sage]

memtest is mostly useless

it just tells you if there's major problems

[ivory verge]

Very good psu

[summer sage]

it wont find stuff like edge case decay

[wanton crown]

the 32 mb sd ram stick will rule the sdram out

[wooden rose]

i would still do some measuring with the multimeter

[wanton crown]

two 128 mb sd ram sticks bought at the same time decaying, seems unlikely as well, but gotta try everything

well I can do the measurement right now

[summer sage]

and you got different copies of this disc?

I assume

[wooden rose]

i checked his exact version and could not reproduce

[wanton crown]

all hashes were correct, every single time, people used same source as me

[ivory verge]

That's right, we tried everything

[floral panther]

Are you loading the game on the different SD cards with the same card reader and same computer? Have you tried loading the game from USB? You’ve likely answered these things, but this has been a saga

[wanton crown]

I loaded it through filezilla everytime and hashes were verified through SSH

I could try loading it from usb but then it would mean it's the board's fault, on 3 different boards. Seems unlikely so I haven't tried.

[floral panther]

yeah, unfortunately everything about this is unlikely

I'd definitely try loading from usb before buying another DE10

[full nimbus]

hope you used binary tarnsfer. Filezilla doesnt default to it

[floral panther]

try loading with an SD card reader instead of network, etc. There are a lot of variables here

yeah, that's true too, Filezilla can be weird

[wanton crown]

what would it change given the hash are correct ?

[full nimbus]

It would be interesting to see if you have it set to Auto

which can fail

[wanton crown]

if actual hash computation against the actual filesystem returned the proper hash, I don't see how filezilla coud be at play here

but indeed it was Auto

[full nimbus]

Well you have an "Impossible" problem so everything must be looked at

[floral panther]

WinSCP is the preferred FTP software afaik

[full nimbus]

WinSCP is much better than FileZilla

[tacit fox]

if hash is correct on MiSTer's SD then Filezilla succeeded

[kindred void]

@wanton crown many people cannot reproduce your issue, so I wonder, what's different in your setup? did you check with them? dual RAM vs single? what kind of video output are you using? VGA? converted from VGA to something else? is your video config similar to theirs?

[full nimbus]

Yes but its a fault no one else sees so its an easy thing to correct in the tests

[wanton crown]

😂 could be worth stickying a post, or maybe I'll just write a definitive one and link to everyone who ask. But still thanks for at least taking your time to help me

[full nimbus]

Eliminate all possibilities

"You will not apply my precept," he said, shaking his head. "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? We know that he did not come through the door, the window, or the chimney. We also know that he did come ?

[tacit fox]

Yeah! And I agree Filezilla is crap. WinSCP FWT

And thanks @wanton crown for bringing this issue here. This channel was too quiet recently!

[gilded trellis]

If it ends up being the faulty ddr3, this core is more than a psx 😅

[wanton crown]

Issue starts here : #1046940919607345272 message

• Game was compared to real hardware by me on the latest mister main and PSX stable version, and I noticed some flickering as shown in the link's videos. A savestate is provided below the linked message.
• The issue starts with the PSX core 22.10.21 unstable build. I don't have this issue on previous core versions.
• I'm the only one to have this issue, roughly 7 people have tried and they couldn't reproduce.
• I can reproduce it on 3 separate mister setups, each with their own parts (nothing was swapped), simply composed of a 128 mb sd ram stick, a USB board, a good power supply, and various IO board (analog and digital).
• Removing all parts (even the damn heatsink) and just having the bare de 10 nano board hanging to the power supply changed nothing.
• Tried several sd cards, started from a fresh mr fusion 2.5 image and simply ran the update script (I set up the bios files myself for PSX core, but I also have a SD card which only ran update_all) and it changed nothing.
• I get the issue both through HDMI and VGA output of the IO board, the output really does not matter.
• memtest showed nothing wrong about the 128mb sd ram sticks.
• I tried changing controllers, changes nothing (mostly using a PS5 one, but keyboard, PSX snac or any other controller changes nothing).
• all de 10 nano boards were bought between early september and early november of 2022. People with older and newer de 10 nano board could not reproduce, but I've not seen anyone with a de 10 nano board bought around that frame, but it seems unlikely at this point it could come from the board.
• all 128 mb sd ram sticks were bought on the exact same day though. All with Alliance chips.
• a 32 mb sd ram is on its way, I will try it.
• I only bought all components from reputable places, not a single component doesn't come from misterfpga.co.uk, misteraddons or terasic itself.

• The core is only used stock, no option was changed. Fiddling in every possible (changing BIOS, controller type...) and meaningful way changed nothing.
• Changing places changes nothing. I tried several power outlets and even the mister fpga we had at work, at the workplace itself, changed nothing.
• Finally, this is the only game that shows such a behavior. All other games work perfectly on the core to the point I've not encountered a single bug so far over the span of months of playing it daily, and especially games I know by heart and how they feel on real hardware.

[kindred void]

what about the BIOS?

also there could be something strange caused by things like the controller setup and things like that, DualShock vs regular controller and so on, did you try changing those?

[empty yacht]

Did you try it at a different location?

[wanton crown]

yes, tried all those, played with all settings of the core, changed nothing

[kindred void]

do you live near a particle accelerator or nuclear research lab?

this is so strange... I'd love to know what's causing it

[wanton crown]

nope, inside Paris. And issue is reproduced at work which is far from my home anyway.

[kindred void]

and I guess you tried different bios files and checked the hash matches...

[wanton crown]

yes

[empty yacht]

do you believe in mean ghosts?

[full nimbus]

Eliminate FileZilla

its a simple step and cheaper than buying hardware

[wanton crown]

I don't but love playing games with them, which this game happens to have

maybe it was the reason all along, the game is haunting me

[wanton crown]

can't set the transfer mode once connected to the mister anyway. But hashes match so it's not the issue

[full nimbus]

you set it before the transfer

[empty yacht]

I would assume that a transfer in text mode would not even let it start

also checksums were verified

[full nimbus]

yes but as I said its an Impossible bug that no one else sees

so eliminate the possibility

it takes 0 time , 99.999 % it wont solve but it removes one more possibility

[tacit fox]

@wanton crown please ssh to your MiSTer and post a md5sum output on the disc image on the SD so @full nimbus can sleep 😛

[full nimbus]

its not the sum

the transfer was done with Filezilla in auto mode

Its almost a certainty that it wont help

but do the transfer in Binary mode

[tacit fox]

md5sum would be different from what other people have if Filezilla screwed it during transfer

[empty yacht]

the great PSX MySTery

[full nimbus]

Could be a hyper rare Md5 clash

[timber veldt]

@wanton crown do you have holy water nearby?

[tacit fox]

It's a MiSTery

[full nimbus]

who know

but we have eliminated just about everything

[tacit fox]

Indeed

[full nimbus]

so Just try the transfer in Binary mode or use WinSCP and eliminate it

[wanton crown]

just did it, changed nothing

[full nimbus]

Good then that eliminates on more vanishgly remote possibility

Now delete Filezilla and use Winscp !

for all future transfers

[wanton crown]

next he'll ask for a sha256 hash, and then an hmac with his own key

[empty yacht]

It was already tried to give you a savestate from within the same room?

[full nimbus]

I am trying to help by eliminating all possibilities

you seem more keen at throwing money at the issue though :/

[wanton crown]

just kidding : )

I'm glad there are people willing to help but it's making me tired

usually I can go as deep as assembly code to debug or hack stuff but fixing this issue is beyond my skills

[kindred void]

I would try that, somebody without the issue to load your savestate and create a new one for you

[full nimbus]

I know the experience. when i got my Mister the C64 core would black screen for me and literally no one else. Then one day a core update cleared the issue with no other changes

[wanton crown]

can reproduce the issue even without save states, in a lot of rooms, so :/ ...

[wooden rose]

Ghosts, yep

Who you gonna call?

[wanton crown]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-luigi-scared-frightened-terrified-gif-18337456

[ivory verge]

Luigi's MiSTer Mansion

[tacit fox]

Still need to watch this new GB movie

[ivory verge]

What is this ? 😋

[tacit fox]

A remake from recent times

[ivory verge]

Uhm, ok

[wanton crown]

let us wait for the 32 mb sd ram stick

[mystic violet]

save yourself the cringe - watch the new one

[tacit fox]

Wait, is there a newer?

[full nimbus]

There is a new Ghostbusters from a year or so ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters:_Afterlife

[tacit fox]

Oh, "Afterlife"

[full nimbus]

Its not a terrible film

[tacit fox]

Bill Murray is on it! That's cool!

[stuck stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-average-gif-14312851

[hidden prism]

I really enjoyed Afterlife, and teared up at the end. I like the actors and overall story of Answer the Call, and enjoyed watching it in the theater on day 1 and with my daughter a few months ago.

It’s an interesting experiment that showed the lenses and framing used in large scale disaster movies are a necessary part of the storytelling. I also think the dancing number in the finale has the same problem as the Statue of Liberty sequence in GB2 — it puts a toe over the line into “too ridiculous to feel any peril” territory

[stuck stirrup]

Hm, wasn't a giant marshmallow man kind of ridiculous too?

[summer sage]

barely

it almost seems like they offered him a million dollars to stand there looking bored

overall it was a pretty decent movie

a lot more of a credit to ghostbusters legacy than that previous one

[dry drift]

I still didn’t see the Hemsworth one — maybe a career low point?

[summer sage]

you should watch it just so you understand why everyone doesn't like it

they managed to somehow alienate all the traditionalists by making them all women, and all the feminists by making them seem like a bunch of ditzy housewives

[dry drift]

Well I saw the social media stuff

I feel like TLOU tried to do similar so I feel kinda mixed about liking this show so much

[forest trench]

Did you have vanilla ice cream by any chance?
https://www.marketcalls.in/fun/vanilla-ice-cream-that-puzzled-general-motors-amazing.html

[dry drift]

aka ||you flooded it||

[bright yacht]

Working! 🙂

[still palm]

figured that would fix it, just wanted to make sure.

Certain sony MCs were broken with builds from 11/28 to 1/9. depending on game

[bright yacht]

Interesting

Talking about MC... I have one from aliexpress that does not work. Tested on real ps2 an mister with snac... Game detects it, formats it, saves to it... then save goes to limbo. There's anything I can do to fix this?

[still palm]

my guess is no. maybe open it up and see if you have bad solder joints, but it may be a globtop and you won't be able to see or solder anything.

[shut escarp]

step 1: dont buy memory cards from ali express

[iron abyss]

One thing you could try is deleting your credit card info from aliexpress and you’ll be less likely to make purchases 😜

[bright yacht]

I might just use it's case and build a PicoMemcard inside

[hidden prism]

I love Holtzmann and was happy that the comics featured her and Patty so well

also, in the “maybe I’m not the audience for this” category, my 7 year old loved it. She was scared in all the places and laughed in most of the places the Director intended

[summer sage]

I didn't think it was a good representation of the franchise

[scenic reef]

The writing was kinda lame on top of it.

[abstract drift]

all else asside, is it possible the concept of a team of ghost janitors isn't really good for more than 1 or 2 movies?

[snow dirge]

I had the same issue with the C64 core black screen. And like you said one day a core update fixed it. I think it was broken for close to a year.

Bought my first mister setup in 2018 and it worked fine for a long time and at some point the C64 core stopped working. Reverting to old core versions did not work either. The problem might have been on the linux side

maybe...

[frail storm]

This. Then went on and on and on... destroying the franchise for an insatiable money hunger from investors. Capitalist greed kills art in the end. Always the same.

[summer sage]

four movies over a 30 year span isn't milking it per se

but, they didn't give it a decent script or do any of the things in that third movie that would have made it appealing

the fourth movie at least had some of the original cast, and tie ins, and other things that made it feel more cohesive to the originals

[mystic violet]

welcome to #movies

[visual depot]

Ghostbusters: Afterlife definitely captured the atmosphere well

The reboot from 2016 did not understand what Ghostbusters was

Turned it into a slapstick and crude comedy fest

Which it never was

The main issue, though, is that it basically managed to laugh at the work of the Ramis, the real mastermind behind the creation of the franchise, who had passed away 2 years prior

It was pretty clear it was literally just there to grab a quick buck and revitalize merchandise, which it failed to do because people found the movie insulting

People were not happy. It was the utmost disrespect for Harold Ramis

Afterlife, however, started making it clear that it was trying to care about Ramis's work. It helped that it had Dan Akroyd helping, and Ivan Reitman's son directing while Ivan himself produced it

[random gust]

I have yet to watch either of the new ones.

I liked 'Evolution' by the way. That had a similar feel to the first two.

[visual depot]

Well the 2016 reboot was definitely written off as not cannon

I agree with Kitrinx that people should see it to see why people hate it

But the new Afterlife is a really good way to follow up on the old movies honestly

[mystic violet]

None of the characters were likeable and Leslie Jones was screaming about 80% of the movie - because screaming is funny...... also the dialogue at times went completely off the rails. And Chriss hemsworth was playing a dumbed down version of himself.

[visual depot]

Yeah I had edited my statement you just replied to. It originally said "because people found the characters irritating and the plot boring"

[mystic violet]

also this reaction speaks volumes

[terse pollen]

(a bit off-topic?)

[mystic violet]

report us, sue us 🙂

[terse pollen]

you'll hear from my lawyer soon

[random gust]

I was gonna mention that. Supposedly it's a lightgun game.

[hidden prism]

It is, and it is not good

One of the most frustrating things to me — as a fan — is the bizarre lack of synergy between SPE and SIE.

Also, if folks hadn’t seen the inspiration: Abbot & Costello Meet <Monster(s)>, Ghost & Mister Chicken, Murder He Said, and The Ghost Breakers, I recommend it. People doing comedic spit/scream is the essence of Ramis’ writing on SCTV and Aykroyd’s original 100+ page treatment (the one that goes into car part model #s level of detail).

[mystic violet]

what is SPE and what is SIE

[broken pelican]

Are you by any chance using a switch "in-line" with the power supply. If so, try without it. I had no end of trouble with exactly your setup until I removed the switch. It had a measurable resistance and the voltage drop was enough to throw the DE10 board off

[serene nebula]

I hope I'm the first person to test @humble thorn's SNAX adapter with the Jet de Go! controller

[frank ravine]

w

[full nimbus]

I tested it in my F104 Starfighter I crashed the plane and had to spend 3 weeks dead

Most advanced controller I used would be the Densha De Go controller

[serene nebula]

I'm a fan of those games so I was pretty curious to try out the Jet de Go! series, seemed fun at least from videos I saw.

[empty yacht]

a new testbuild and no discussion about it?

[full nimbus]

?

[serene nebula]

I downloaded it and was going to add it

What game would be a good candidate to test this change?

• GPU: allow full 512 pixel height and 1024 pixel width in framebuffer mode(480p hack now allows 512i->512p content)

I don't know any 512i content outside of a random high-res menu here and there

ohhhhh PAL is 512i instead of 480i, woah very cool

Wipeout 3 special edition might be a great candidate!

[empty yacht]

you pay in frames

[humble thorn]

First!

[tropic stratus]

hardwarebreaker is very active in github, trying all kind of weird games and adding bug reports. I thought i care at least for some 🙂

[wanton crown]

Yes, but my recap post specifically states I changed places and it changes nothing
So several brand new power supplies used everytime and at difference places

[broken pelican]

Sorry, I was catching up on a few days of discord

[wanton crown]

Np

I'm waiting for 32 mb sd ram to tackle this again

[broken pelican]

If you tried it without switch, then that is not the problem

[wanton crown]

If it's the sd ram its going to potentially explain some issues I had with cps2 core

Meanwhile I just enjoy the psx core on other games and it works perfecrly fine as well

[iron abyss]

Your graphical garbage in cps2 I think everyone gets in that core sporadically. I haven’t in quite a while but it does happen. Reboot always fixes it though. Seems to trigger from loading various cores before it but not sure and I think it’s a well known problem. Some Jotego discord folks always blame mister framework / Sorg because some of them seem to hate him deeply 😉

[serene nebula]

Ah that’s awesome! Love how amazing the MiSTer community is.

[iron abyss]

In Jet De Go are you parking jets?

What other fun parking games are there on offer?

[wanton crown]

I could get it everytime when powering off the mister completely, waiting roughly 10 minutes, powering it on and booting any street fighter 2 game under 10 seconds. 100% reproductible on my end.

[iron abyss]

Could others follow the rep steps?

[wanton crown]

I think they didn't even bother. By the way reproduced on two different mister fpga as well, same circumstances. They just fire their mister, don't care about my detailed steps of reproducing, and just assume "it's on you" and don't care.

[shut escarp]

what game is it in question anyways

[wanton crown]

the best fighting game ever made with third strike

a.k.a street fighter 2x

basically your profile picture

[serene nebula]

That’s a weird way to spell Killer Instinct

[wanton crown]

[serene nebula]

LOL perfect response

[ivory verge]

Street Fighter Alpha 2 is the best 😁

[serene nebula]

Street Fighter experts - How much of a scrub am I for loving Alpha 3 the best?

[ivory verge]

But I think I spent the most time with Super Street Fighter II on the SNES 🙂

[empty yacht]

about that much:

[full nimbus]

Way of the Exploding fist on the C64 is best

[summer sage]

this comes from a bug with the DDR3 controller that alexey fixed in the framework a long time ago

if it's the scrambled screen bug

it at least makes it much, much more rare

[shut escarp]

@wanton crown fyi... The real arcade boards get graphical glitches

speaking from experience on multiple boards

i always thought it was emulation shit back in the day then i got my board and it did it

and then my buddies

and then my darksoft

[empty yacht]

I have to lay books on it to produce enough pressure on the contacts

[wanton crown]

ah I see

[shut escarp]

is it just like a quick little stutter during gameplay where some fo the background looks corrupted with lines?

trying to find an example

[wanton crown]

although I'm talking about a specific issue that I could reproduce on boot only, but would never happen if I waited like 10s before booting the core.
Otherwise, I've noticed some very rare "flashing frames" in game, which is what you must be referring to

never had the chance to own a pcb so I don't know

[wanton crown]

could be that, it's so fast I can't really tell

[bronze aurora]

Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold (I think the ps1 iso is Street Fighter Collection disc 1? Unsure) was my jam growing up.

I tried Alpha 3 later but felt like it was trying too hard.

[shut escarp]

it basically either exposes you as a super casual, or as a super hardcore grindlord.

i know which one it is for you ; P

[serene nebula]

lol super casual

[devout nacelle]

Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo and Street Fighter Alpha 3 we're the 2 high points for the series imo.

[wooden rose]

I like Killer Instinct and One Must Fall 2097

Neither are on PSX

[serene nebula]

But Alpha 3 is! I forgot what improvements it has over the arcade game and what it loses but I remember having a blast with that when it came out.

[empty yacht]

single player stuff

[serene nebula]

Oh yeah, it had those dramatic battles too, where you and a buddy could team up against Bison etc?

[wooden rose]

I like fighters but I only ever play alone

[serene nebula]

Yeah same, I have fun playing against other people but I just get way too into it

[foggy quiver]

AFAIK they had to remove some animation frames in the Street Fighter Alpha and other Capcom PSX ports, because the PSX didn't have enough memory for all of it.

[wooden rose]

Heh, what if someone made a patch to restore them? We got increased memory mode in the core

[empty yacht]

some

[serene nebula]

MSU1 support for the PSX core when?

[wooden rose]

But why? :V

It's already got CD audio

[tacit fox]

🤣

[serene nebula]

MSU1 also does FMVs, people always forget that

[wooden rose]

Which PSX also has

[serene nebula]

alright, going to do a MSU1 patch for FF7, someone has to fix those popeye characters and I guess it'll be me

[wooden rose]

With modifications to the core, would it be possible to add some kind of mechanism that automatically creates a save state, say, every 5 minutes?

I was looking around in savestate_ui.sv but I was unsure of the relation between slotswitched and ss_base

[manic citrus]

you can just trigger them from main by blipping the status bit to initiate a savestate

[wooden rose]

Ah, cheers, I see them. That would be status[38:37] and status[18:17].

I do also see some references to rewind stuff, but I presume that is not a working feature

[abstract drift]

probably vestigial

all of robs other cores have it, but it takes way too long to make a savestate on psx core

[tropic stratus]

psx core must save about 4 mbyte of data in the savestate which takes maybe 200-300ms due to single access to sdram and ddr3. You don't want those pauses while playing, so i never activated rewind

in theory you can activate it if you set up the memory area for it and add a button

[ornate walrus]

Is the savestate data something that the second SDRAM could improve on? Like a "store in memory" savestate? With the save/load combo it would be close to a rewind, if possible.

[terse pollen]

https://twitter.com/pgate1/status/1616021988098838529

⁧ ！！⁨かんな丸 (@pgate1)

PlayStation on FPGA feat. Pocket：
あっぽけことAnalogue PocketでトバルNo.1をプレイできるようになった。まだCPUとGPUの並列実行ができてないのでスローだけど、ちらつきは少ないかな。まぁほぼ生ポリみたいな感じなので。

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[hasty jay]

wait, isn't that the person who made a SNES core and then didn't release it to not take away the pleasure of creating a SNES core for other devs?

can't find that exact quote, only this https://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=32143

[manic citrus]

lmao Sorg's reply

[ivory verge]

There is no sound, is there not enough space for the spu ? 🙂

And a lot of issues

I'm betting it will be a curiosity rather than a fully functioning core

[iron abyss]

They tweeted FPGA 95% utilized with no sound, seems like more of a how far can I push it effort

[iron abyss]

Hahaha Sorg is such an odd duck

The thread is great

[tacit fox]

As sorg would say: useless crap

[summer sage]

and 20% speed

iirc p-gate doesn't write code directly but uses a weird translated language

[dry drift]

doesn’t matter got laid meme

[abstract drift]

Huh

Is that a port of robs or laxers?

Or a third independent psx core

[dry drift]

pgate does his own thing

[tropic stratus]

pgate already had their playstation core booting up more than 2 years ago

there are youtube videos

not sure if it was developed further in the meantime. And yes, it's some meta language

[tropic stratus]

no, sorry, too slow

also the main problem is reading the sdram/ddr for getting RAM/SPU-RAM and VRAM, not writing away the state

[hard laurel]

I have found a potential bug for the 1st time in ages!.

KKND Krossfire Demo from the Station Demo Disc 9 hangs on the Please Wait screen after the mission FMV Sequence plays.

Tested on Real hardware and all is fine, on the Core (latest Unstable Nightly Build) it hangs on Please wait and there doesn't appear to be any Loading Activity as the Progress Bar fills up.

[tropic stratus]

can take a look later...still hanging at the animal football bug....it's so dumb. the game ignores the CD sector when it comes in at the same time as the vsync interrupt is serviced, then retries. But because the CD timing is 100% reproducible, it will fail again and again. On real hardware, it would likely not be 100% the same timing with the CD, but i don't want random timings, it would be a nightmare to debug 😦

[hard laurel]

I wonder if these 2 have a similar issue? I see a few flickers of CD Read activity at the Please Wait screen and then it stops as the Progress bar fills up.

I will try Duckstation also

[tropic stratus]

you can see the activity in the debug -> lba overlay

[stuck stirrup]

I think the language pgate1 uses is called SFL+

[sleek ivy]

I'm here to officially be shamed.
I finally played Castlevania: SOTN, and it rocked my socks in obscene ways. It totally lived up to the hype and has aged marvelously. I knew I would like the game, so I'm not sure what took me so long to play it. Thank you, FPGAzumSpass!

[hard laurel]

It works in Duckstation (KKND Krossfire Demo from Station Demo Disc 9) so that is good news I guess?

[tropic stratus]

maybe?

let me boot it up

yes, also some kind of edge case CD timing...with 8x speed it works 😛

[hard laurel]

Workaround of 8x 🙂 ok I will add that to the GitHub report.

[tropic stratus]

4x and 6x also works

fastseek also

sounds very much like the other bug

maybe we really reached the point where more accurate CD timings are required....i mean, look at how often things in xstation still change and rama "only" works on CD stuff and that for years already

[hard laurel]

Meanwhile in PSIO land... 🙂 still no update after over 2 years.

[tropic stratus]

xstation even has the original HC05 CD controller and still had trouble sometimes

i fear we will not get to a perfect solution without also implementing the original CD controller + firmware

[ivory verge]

The list is quite large with games with propably the same problem

I didn't even know there was such a game as Herkules 🙂

I thought at first , that it was Disney's Hercules 🤣

[ivory verge]

I'm not waiting anymore

[tropic stratus]

those are all the same garbage from the same developer. It's basically bad movie + some puzzle game, they all look the same, just different "content"

funny enough, they all work in german 🙂

but all very bad copies..."Lion and the King"..."Lord of the Jungle" 🙃

[ivory verge]

Yes , that's why i never tested this games haha

[tropic stratus]

i will add the randomness these games depend on...it's closer to hardware that way, but i will hate it for the randomness

that is the curse of rebuilding real systems...for every dumb mechanic in the system, there will be some software depending on it

"our software sometimes needs a CD read retry, but then it works"....."those CDs tend to fail sometimes, no reason to worry, just let it retry 100 times and it should be fine"

[hard laurel]

I think that is what you call janky

[abstract drift]

YES

finally, a use for the gyro

engaging the random CD timing should require you to put the mister at like a weirdly precise 47 degree angle

[hidden prism]

Sony Picture Entertainment and Sony Interactive Entertainment

[mystic violet]

oki 😉

thanks

[manic citrus]

I need a single bin file psx game that specifically uses the PREGAP command in the cue. so wherever some of you people are getting your janky rips let me know in a non TOS violating way please

[summer sage]

why would anyone shame you for loving the best game on the system?

[summer sage]

sounds like a good option to hide in the "advanced" menu

[ornate walrus]

Got it, thanks for the clarification!

[tropic stratus]

i could only imagine a "reproducible CD timings" in the debug menu for ... debugging. But i don't think this should be something for the user

overall, i'm still struggling with it. It seems to wrong

sure, the real disc is spinning and the time when a command will come will be random and therefore seek time will be random, but it feels so bad to add something like that

[ornate walrus]

Perfectionist struggle. "It is one solution, but it feels more like a workaround than a solution".
We get it, but we are getting to the point that it's either this or implementing a lot more, right?
And again thanks for the work on this.

[summer sage]

it does feel wrong, it's like the "bad" alignments for the NES

by and large, NES has one good alignment and three bad alignments, and you always want the good alignment, but the real system randomly chose one

only speedrunners care

[sleek ivy]

@summer sage I feel great shame for waiting so long to play SOTN, but kinda lucky to experience something awesome like it at this stage in my life.

[ornate walrus]

On one side I joined the community because of accuracy. But then again... things like this CD timing or the NES screen, it kinda feels like reaching.

[ivory verge]

Every year I finish this game at least once 🙂

[summer sage]

I wish I could play it again for the first time and really savor it

it does have a ton of replay value though

it's just a nice dopamine drip as you power up

[sleek ivy]

I admit to using a guide for the last 10% of the map, because I read I needed a certain percentage for the best ending.

[ornate walrus]

I have yet to finish a lot of classics, like FF6. So don't feel shame, if you can appreciate it for what it is, great.
Not all people can do this with some games. The original Metroid feels dated, but try to play it with a map. It shows that the game is not that dated.

[summer sage]

the original zelda is always good for a periodic replay

[sleek ivy]

FF6 is one I play every other year or so.

[ornate walrus]

never finished that one too. Actually never finished a Zelda game... ever.

[summer sage]

ff6/chrono trigger are a two year cycle for me

[ornate walrus]

Even though I own LttP and both n64 games.

[summer sage]

well you have something to look forward to then I guess

[ornate walrus]

Chrono Trigger too. I'll stop or you'll start to throw rocks at me. The list goes on.

[ivory verge]

Metal Gear Solid is also an amazing game, it was a big wow when I first played it 🙂

[summer sage]

some of the best games ever made, you should give them a try

[ornate walrus]

Was consumed by arcades most of the time.

[ornate walrus]

Definitely will.

[summer sage]

zelda 3 is honestly one of the most endearing games ever

[tropic stratus]

for some games, i would need someone sitting next to me giving hints to enjoy the games...i would love to play some, but without knowing them it's hard to get into sometimes. As a child i spend 2-3 months with each game, because i only got some games each year, but today, i can't bring up the time to really learn them

[ornate walrus]

My friends weren't as versed in english as I was back then, so I translated the story on the fly to them. They were so amazed by it.

[devout nacelle]

Zelda 1 and 2 were ok .3 is the game that made me a fan.

[ornate walrus]

I feel like it's a lot easier to do this with old games than new ones. The tutorials are getting longer and longer...

[ivory verge]

I unfortunately only have time for a few games a year

[abstract drift]

features like savestates, cheats, fastforward etc all make older games much more accessible

[wooden rose]

same, good games

[tropic stratus]

I fear i need those tutorials. E.g. i still don't know what this cube of zoe(?) does that i can turn on and off. Even a game that is easy to pickup often doesn't tell me enough

[wooden rose]

im really liking fastforward with ff9 lol, even with the ATB speedup hack, the game has tons of random nothingness

[abstract drift]

whats the cube of zoe from? i half recall that phrase

[ornate walrus]

If it weren't for Diablo and Fighting games, my backlog would be a lot smaller.
The never ending games that I need to drop. I'll try to focus on other stuff until SF6 and D4.

[wooden rose]

sotn

[abstract drift]

ah yeah

[wooden rose]

it allows you to obtain hearts and items from candles

i had to look that up

[abstract drift]

sotn doesn't always do a great job of signposting where you should go going

there's a few points in the game where i always have to look up where i'm heading

[tropic stratus]

i think i began to play SOTN 5 times now. this time i made it to the first boss and beat it. I know, laughable, but somehow it overwhelms me. No idea what to do and where to go. It was easier on the GBA titles, but maybe it's just me

[ivory verge]

Yeah, I more often play games that can be played quickly, races, platformers or fighting games

[devout nacelle]

Most people don't even realize that not there from the beginning

[abstract drift]

the GBA ones have better signposting imo, rarely get lost in those

[ornate walrus]

I think it's easier to check on the net for the items. LOL
But I get it. One thing that was surprisingly an eye opening experience was the trophy list for SOTN on PS4. It made me aware of so many stuff that I didn't know about the game while hunting for the plat.

[abstract drift]

this is kind of an issue with all metroidvanias though

you beat a boss or get a new item and... don't know where to go

[wooden rose]

with SoTN, my approach is just to fill out the map

that way I eventually get where I need to go

[abstract drift]

yeah you can kind of study the map and look for edges that indicate you've not explored the whole place

[ornate walrus]

That, like the difficulty on Soulsborne games, is part of the experience. Exploring and finding where to use the new toy to progress.
The Maridia part on Super Metroid was bonkers to me the first time.

[abstract drift]

but then there's a few places in the game that approach will trip you

omg super metroid is so much worse for this yeah

it's one of those things games have got better at subtly over the years just by revision i think

leading the player without being too obvious about it

[ornate walrus]

One of my favorite games of all time. So once I played SOTN I was fine, until the googles part. LOL

[abstract drift]

i like how metroid prime deals with this personally

[devout nacelle]

I feel like if a game is just gonna straight out tell you where to go it may as well be linear.

[abstract drift]

they let you wander around for a while but if you're going no-where they eventually give you a map waypoint to head for

[ornate walrus]

"Where is the inverted castle that everyone talked about? What did I miss?"

[abstract drift]

not a hyper specific one but enough to give you an idea

[ornate walrus]

The "fps" part of it turned me down... never played any of them.

[abstract drift]

i like the first one a lot

not so sure on 2 or 3, never finished them

or really played them much at all

[devout nacelle]

I like the way Fusion did it..The computer telling you where to go made sense for the narrative.

[abstract drift]

they're not really much like an fps either... kinda unique games

Fusion is not bad ... maybe a bit toooo helpful

[devout nacelle]

I definitely didn't like the hand holding Zero Mission a remake of a game that didn't hold your hand at all.

[ornate walrus]

I played enough to know that "it's there", but it felt too different. Like RE4, it's a great game, one of the GOATs but still, it's way too different.

[abstract drift]

yeah i kind of think of them as a seperate series

[ornate walrus]

It's more of a "soft reboot" prior to the term catching on. So it's a easy one to introduce it to someone.

I do like ZM a lot.

[devout nacelle]

I played and finished the original NES Metroid over the weekend..it was a patched version. It has the SRAM patch the map patch and also allows you to have ice and wave beam at the same time.

Also starts you with full health to avoid farming health orbs

[ornate walrus]

sounds nice, will look for the patch, thanks!

[azure niche]

It's not a real Metroid 1 experience unless you somehow get to Kraid's lair without the varia suit, get your ass handed to you by regular enemies and resort to making a hand-drawn map since you're tired of accidentally going down the same hallways and respawning with 30 energy

[devout nacelle]

Yeah it gives a few major QOL changes without taking away the charm of the game.

[azure niche]

(I'm kidding. Sounds like a nice ROM hack.)

[devout nacelle]

Well to be fair I suffered many years of such things before I knew what rom hacks were..lol

[pseudo plinth]

maybe there is such a hack for Metroid 2, until today the only one I haven't completed

[devout nacelle]

There is not a lot of hacks for Metroid 2 the only ones I know of are the color hacks.

[serene nebula]

@tropic stratus / @humble thorn / @still palm

It’s time for my weekly “Y’all are awesome, thank you so much!” message, lol. I’m playing Jet de Go! for the first time and this game is amazing with the controller!

[humble thorn]

Haha I had no idea it existed!

[harsh shale]

It's like the anti @dry drift
He "understands nostalgia" but doesn't get the hype for SNES

[dry drift]

May be worth. Then contact him if you are eager to get it ported. More pointless topics about SNES - more i dislike this. Really, this console doesn't deserve so much hype. I understand nostalgic feeling about computers you had long time ago. Apps you wrote, OS you worked in. But this dirt cheap console? common.. you still can buy it for couple bucks and enjoy. It's not like Amiga computer which is very pricey, or some forgotten computer which is impossible to buy it and especially make it work.. I don't understand the hype about this.

[harsh shale]

It almost sounds like trolling lol

[dry drift]

The man likes computers

[harsh shale]

and NOT snes

[dry drift]

I’ve always felt like we were kinda just asking him to tolerate our interrupting his computer hobby 🙂

[harsh shale]

it really looks like it lol

[still palm]

you guys missed the hilarious part... 400k

[serene nebula]

I can see his point

its not hard to get an SNES or SNES games

and you just use a console to play games, not like a computer that is a tool that you can use to write programs and make a living off of

But a задница компьютер from '84? That's extremely hard to find.

[humble thorn]

I used to watch each and every video from that jwdonal guy. I absolutely could not wait.

[serene nebula]

Yeah I was being half joking (translate the name lol). Like I do get the perspective but id much rather prioritize the well known devices and perfect those first as that’ll bring the most joy.

[meager parrot]

LGR posted this on twitter earlier 🙂

I made a cropped 1080p version for a wallpaper in the wallpapers thread: https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/875889307007725598

[manic citrus]

eww real hardware

[bitter lintel]

this is an AI render of what it would look like to have a ps1 hooked up to a ps1 today

you can see the lights on the stove in the background are 3ds max 2005 quality with hard shadows

the table's using the default wood texture

[meager parrot]

You're a default wood texture. 😜

[ornate walrus]

Why is the controller cord as thick as the controller itself?

[bitter lintel]

asking the right questions

[slow tusk]

Also the glow coming from the backside of the console

[bitter lintel]

it's all suspect

suspicious

ficticious

[slow tusk]

Fergalicious

[meager parrot]

the shadow of the cord coming out the back of the console being cast by the crt is giving it that effect.

[serene nebula]

Something I’ve thought about; it would be nice to put together a list of recommendations for people who are new to a MiSTer core.

Like if I’ve never played a PS1 before and I just built my MiSTer, what games should I play to get a good representation of that system?

[oblique frost]

Castlevania

but you have to play it 5 times before we tell you the rest

[meager parrot]

there are plenty of must-try lists for console already. doesnt really need to be mister-specific there

[ornate walrus]

The best era for JRPGs... kinda sad.

[oblique frost]

ps2 had some solid jrpgs too tbf

[ornate walrus]

Compare the volume and the games and you'll understand.

[oblique frost]

I mean we got SMT3 and Persona 3, localized

I mean volume of good or volume of existing

[ornate walrus]

Exactly, good and memorable. You mentioned 2 games. LOL

[serene nebula]

Oh yeah you’re absolutely right. I meant to say from our community.

[oblique frost]

because I don't want to sit here and list out all the good jrpgs for psx and ps2

I think if you compare ps2 can hold its own

[ornate walrus]

Can hold =/= the best era.

[oblique frost]

snes best era fite me

[serene nebula]

If you think about it, the PS2 is the best era

[oblique frost]

best era is subjective

[serene nebula]

Because it also plays PS1 games

think about it

[ornate walrus]

Era =/= console.

[oblique frost]

okay

[serene nebula]

listen this isn’t chatgpt, why are you programming

Stop trying to hack me

[ornate walrus]

LOL It's just logic, man.

[oblique frost]

robby I've hacked ur crts you must trash them now

[ornate walrus]

Still no subjective BS here please. It's easy to measure the quantity and quality between the two.

[oblique frost]

nah

[bitter lintel]

out fishin', eeeeh?

SOTN! THERE'S YOUR FISH

[serene nebula]

I would unironically put SotN on that list

I think a list like what I’m saying would certainly have “best games” but from a wide array of genres. It’s not meant to serve a specific niche but represent what the PS1 had to offer for everyone.

[oblique frost]

sotn, crash, spyro, pick one of the ffs 7-9, mgs1, throw in the smt1 eng patch for a bit of flavor, and finally ore no ryouri for the most flavor

parappa and um jammer as honorable mentions

[eternal vapor]

Parappa

[oblique frost]

gotta show the youngins where Cook! Serve! Delicious! came from

directly inspired by Japan only (but kinda english friendly) Ore no Ryouri

[serene nebula]

@oblique frost over here making this shit look easy lol

[eternal vapor]

Never heard of it but now I wanna check it out

[oblique frost]

it's great, you might need a guide or something to get through the first few menus and tell you wtf you're doing, but I was first exposed to it as a kid via a Jampack demo that had a snip of it in the imports section

[eternal vapor]

Gotcha, will definitely put it on the list of games to check out on the core 🙂

[slow tusk]

Throwing in a vote for Future Cop L.A.P.D.

[ornate walrus]

Bust a Move/Groove 1&2. Surprisingly fun multiplayer.
a bit tough to play without low latency panel/CRT.

[oblique frost]

you play a chef who basically has to manage literally everything and you get all these tasks. It's hard to describe if you haven't played it or CSD

but it's fun

yeah BaG1&2 also classic

[ornate walrus]

That said, probably a Saturn list would be more beneficial since a lot of people are new to the system. Still early for that though.

[serene nebula]

that too!

[oblique frost]

Radiant Silvergun, that gunstar hereos sequel, panzer dragoon, nights, christmas nights, and policenaughts

[random gust]

I think the King's Field/Shadow Tower games are worth a playthrough, especially if you are interested in exploring FromSoftware's early RPG days.

[ornate walrus]

Saturn is probably the console that will drive me to eventually learn japanese.

[oblique frost]

I guess poilcenauts could go here too, but really only one eng patch per list pls

[ornate walrus]

TBH I expected more from Policenauts after playing Snatcher. Nice game, but no Snatcher.

[oblique frost]

日本語を勉強することは本当に楽しいと思う！

huh, I liked it a lot more than snatcher and I really enjoyed snatcher

[ivory verge]

King's Field is one of my fav rpg game

[ornate walrus]

One day... one day.

[oblique frost]

the best time is yesterday, the second best time is now :p (but also it's an investment, I get it. Big rock to scale)

[random gust]

@ivory verge Yeah, very atmospheric. Nothing else feels like that series. And they got better with each instalment too.

[ornate walrus]

Probably had high expectations. The characters aren't as good IMO.

[ornate walrus]

Too many things going on currently, every new translation patch makes me really happy, but I would like to learn it. Who knows, maybe even help on a translation project.

[oblique frost]

yeah it's definitely a thing. If you're at all interested, spending some time with the dr moku app or something just getting hiragana and katakana down is pretty low effort, something you can do on the toilet or whatever, and primes you for the future if you ever get more time

[wanton crown]

Translation projects are definitely something I want to do in the near feature

I have the reverse engineering skills but I still need to tryhard more that 日本語

Although going from japanese to french/english is definitely easier for me than the opposite

[oblique frost]

translation projects would be fun, but it's definitely a skill outside of just learning the language. I end up reading or hearing shit I understand but if someone asks me to spit out english from what I just heard/read the gears in my head grind to a halt

[ornate walrus]

Very interesting app, thanks for the recommendation!

[cunning rampart]

@tropic stratus Maybe I misunderstood the build notes, but you found another way to fix those games without introducing random timings?

[abstract drift]

i think he added a delay but its deterministic

[tropic stratus]

i only applied the randomness to the pause command, not to the seek. Also it's not really random, but instead uses the remaining sector read time as add to the normal pause time

this makes sense, as the pause should depend on the sector read, as it will not pause in the middle of a sector and it adds enough randomness, but still (hopefully) not break several games due to things getting random and triggering all kind of weird stuff

maybe in far future we will have xstation-code for the mechanical part and the original CD controller + firmware for accurate handling of that

until then, our "CD emulation" is hopefully good enough to play almost every game very well. I feel that's the best i can do currently

[abstract drift]

thanks for mentioning DMA in the change notes, now i have excuse to play resident evil all weekend 😄

[hybrid pewter]

Just thinking, would the mister handle PSP core? its very similar to psx

[shut escarp]

nay

[harsh shale]

It's more like PS2 as far as capabilities

Too complex

[serene nebula]

Out of curiosity, has anyone tested @manic citrus 's MiSTer main update?

#test-builds message

All my stuff is converted to CHD. 😅

[hallow plinth]

No, the psp has an extra CPU and GPU, a lot more ram and a much faster bus

[meager parrot]

I sometimes wonder if PSP would even be remotely possible with hybrid emulation on MiSTer.. probably not, but IIRC it used an ARM chip and MiSTer has a weak one along with the FPGA at least..

[hallow plinth]

It's mips, not arm

So no

[meager parrot]

Aye sounds impossible then

[hallow plinth]

PSP has a 2 mips cpu running at 333mhz

Not counting the GPU, vfpu...

[meager parrot]

What about two MiSTers combined like Voltron? 😅

[harsh shale]

Everybody knows it would take 5

[sand minnow]

and one of them is required to form the head 😉

[light cloud]

Not sure if it’s already been noted, but the distuptor opening intro reverb bug seems to be back on latest stable (and also latest nightly). Would anyone be able to confirm if they get the same effect in the disruptor opening?

Same segment on psx with xstation (scph 5501)

[hidden prism]

PSP would be tough, but enough of Nintendo DS to play a few dozen games….

[tropic stratus]

can confirm the US version has it, PAL not this time

[light cloud]

Interesting! I guess I can just play the PAL version instead. Issue doesn’t seem to extend to in game sounds, but just threw me off a bit.

[tropic stratus]

will try to see if i can find the reason. Last time it disappeared without any fix specific for that game

for me it's already in the last release, so not the change from yesterday

to me it seems this was never working on NTSC? it seem 7 30 fixes PAL als Kuba mentioned, but not NTSC

is that different for you? was NTSC working at some point?

[mint bolt]

I hadn't played it (or any Castlevania ever) until I bought it on the Xbox Live Arcade store on a total whim. I couldn't believe how good it was. This was before I ever got heavily into YouTube or retro gaming stuff whatsoever, so there was absolutely no outside influence coloring my opinion. Not so much as a friend recommending it.

[light cloud]

I’m not sure if it ever worked correctly with the intro with ntsc. I’ll try and look through past versions. I remember last time I tried was before the fmv fixes, so it’s been quite a while. At that point button sounds aren’t correct unless you skipped the disruptor opening animation, so didn’t pay as much attention 😅

And definitely could be that the opening didn’t ever sound correct on ntsc

[tropic stratus]

at least i couldn't get it correct on any version i tried. went back to july in different steps and all are absolutly the same

[ivory verge]

Correct, I only tested the PAL version , I assumed the fix covered the two versions.

For so many months no one reported it for NTSC

[crimson steeple]

I think this was answered before, but if using a pal game with the 60hz hack enabled, does that mean its a superior version graphically compared to its NTSC cousin?

I read NTSC is faster due to 60hz, but PAL has a better image.

[ivory verge]

No , it's not better to use PAL versions with PAL 60Hz hack

"PAL 60Hz Hack: Runs PAL games with 60Hz. PAL Games will often run faster with this hack on. Screen height is limited to 256 lines in this mode, so some games might be cropped."

This is good for games that are not in the NTSC version , or have additional translations that the NTSC version does not have

Do you see a difference in the quality of the displayed image in the same game in PAL and NTSC versions (MiSTer) ?

This was probably noticeable when we used crt TVs in the 90s and the console was connected via composite, I won't say more because I didn't have a ntsc tv

[crimson steeple]

I did try both and adjusted the screen borders and think the pal image was sharper testing Tekken 3, but it probably looked no different. Ive been storing pal and ntsc games and wanted to slim down, if yiu know what I mean.

[ivory verge]

If you want to play in 60Hz and you have native versions , why use a hack ?

Of course, it's your choice, you can have fun as you like 🙂

I'm a nut and only play PAL versions of games

So as you can see , everyone has their own way of having fun 😎

[tropic stratus]

The main reason is for games that are slower with 50hz but you still want it, e.g. because of localized language, so pal60 can restore the original speed

if you only play in english, i doubt it has any use. PAL exclusive would never need 60hz to run at correct speed

[crimson steeple]

Pal exclusive would be optimised, right?

[abstract drift]

well yeah if the only version is pal that is defacto, optimized

[crimson steeple]

I guess I was wondering play native and non native depending on where they were developed.

[abstract drift]

there are a few cases of games where the pal version is preferrable even at 50hz

like i think colin mcrae 2.0 they just really messed up the handling in the ntsc version

or wip3out has differences from pal to ntsc other than just speed so some people say pal is better

so yeah some games made in europe might actually be a bit better in their 50hz versions

[wanton crown]

crash team racing in PAL version is the best to achieve world records on most circuits due to minor physics change in 50Hz compared to 60Hz

iirc Crash Bandicoot 2 is speedran on PAL version for whatever reason

[bitter lintel]

because pal is best obviously

[ivory verge]

It is 👌🏻

[rare gyro]

especially pal60 😄

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[rare gyro]

lol why wouldn't you want the higher frame rate?

[ivory verge]

Nostalgia man , nostalgia

[rare gyro]

heh fair

[ivory verge]

I played that way then, I play that way now

[abstract drift]

50fps vs 60fps, all else being equal isn't that big a difference

you can test it if you've got a gsync monitor

[ivory verge]

And Resident Evil is to fast for me 😋

[rare gyro]

no gsync monitor here unfortunately

[rare gyro]

doesn't that make a difference in fighting games? or other input sensitive game?

[abstract drift]

16.6ms frame vs 20ms frame

so yeah a difference but not a massive one

[ornate walrus]

'10fps!? It's massive for fighting games.

[abstract drift]

i've played games at all kinds of weird fps since gsync came out 😄

[rare gyro]

Ah.. and considering that most PSX games don't even reach 50fps, does that mean PAL and NTSC basically run the same fps?

[abstract drift]

depends how they were doing vsync

[ivory verge]

I am not a speedrunner, nor do I count frames in every game , I have fun 🙃

[abstract drift]

if its a case of 30fps vs 25fps, then that actually is quite a big difference

[rare gyro]

yeah it is

[abstract drift]

but then in some cases you have a solid 25fps vs a shakey 30fps

[ivory verge]

Yeah , better have solid 25fps

[rare gyro]

with data cache I haven't seen shaky 30fps

[abstract drift]

especially if your screen can refresh at 50hz properly, that smooth 25fps may look a lot better

[tropic stratus]

you didn't play shadowman yet 😛

[abstract drift]

but yeah we are fortunate with the core to be able to smooth out a lot of those games now

like soul blade is a great example

[tropic stratus]

for some games i can be useful to have 25/50 being max for stable framerate

[rare gyro]

does the MiSTer scaler use an optimal refresh rate while displaying how it would look like in 50fps if running a pal game?

[abstract drift]

depending on how you have mister vsync set, it definitely can

[rare gyro]

oh that's good to know

[tropic stratus]

with vsync adjust 2 you should get 50hz. But honestly, 25fps on 60hz with adjust 0 is either not too bad or i just don't see the big difference

[abstract drift]

you can also define seperate modelines for 50/60hz

video_mode_pal

my tv hates it when you give a 60hz modeline then use vsync2 and send 50hz, but its fine given a 50hz modeline

[rare gyro]

I feel like the Tony Hawk games would benefit from maxing at 50fps, when you use 2x and all that other good stuff.

[tropic stratus]

they max at 25/30

at least thps2 does

[rare gyro]

really?

[abstract drift]

i think the dreamcast version is 60

or maybe that took until xbox even

[rare gyro]

I was playing 3 and 4.. I thought I remember seeing them bounce between 54 and 60

[tropic stratus]

without datacache the ntsc version cannot hold 30 and PAl might be even better, but the game plays fine with turbo and stable 30 at NTSC

[abstract drift]

oh, yeah 3 is a 60fps, i meant for a version of tony hawks 2 that runs at 60

[tropic stratus]

3 is 60 on psx? i never tried it, maybe i should

[abstract drift]

pretty sure yeah

its good too

[rare gyro]

it's a demake

but fun nonetheless

[tropic stratus]

i wonder how they pulled that off with 2 not being able to hold 30fps even in the first level

[abstract drift]

ps2 was just stupid more powerful

it had quite a lot of 60fps titles

[rare gyro]

without data cache, 3 really slows down when you get to more detailed parts of the levels

[tropic stratus]

wait, i thought you meant the ps1 version of thps3 to be 60fps 😅

[abstract drift]

there's a ps1 version of thps3?

[rare gyro]

🤭

[tropic stratus]

even 4 is on ps1

[abstract drift]

huh, i never knew lol

thats kind of amazing

[shut escarp]

yeah its wild to try out

[abstract drift]

they had massive levels on ps2

[shut escarp]

as someone who play infinite amounts of THPS3/4 online

[rare gyro]

this is the psx core chat, of course I'm talking about the psx versions

[abstract drift]

i just assumed you meant the ps2 version since i didn't know it was on psx

[rare gyro]

but yeah they are demakes for the thps2 engine

[abstract drift]

thats neat, does the data cache really smooth them out then?

[tropic stratus]

i only ever played thps2 when i was young, so i didn't try the later ones on the core yet

[abstract drift]

i remember playing it a fair bit on dreamcast

[rare gyro]

maybe because the fps on 3 and 4 were unsteady anyway, so they uncapped the framerate

yeah dreamcast is like an upgraded PS1

a pretty big upgrade, but they share a decent amount of games

[abstract drift]

yeah there was a lot of quick ports

that just doubled framerate or res or both

[rare gyro]

like gta2 for dreamcast is so much smoother, and has nice lighting effects

[abstract drift]

i wonder if they ported the psx version or the pc version there

[rare gyro]

so would that be best to play with a 50fps max? considering you're using 2x and all that good stuff?

Also playing in that higher pal resolution might also be fun

if you're not sacrificing much with the framerate

[tropic stratus]

50? on shadowman? haha, not even when you look at a wall 🤣

with the 2x core and turbo high, heaving steady 20fps is already great

i think it's the worst performing game i know currently. There is a particular cutscene right at the start where the game struggles to hold 6 fps....

i could beat the re-volt endboss, it's playing great with all hacks on. But to shadowman i lost, this game needs like 5x performance to be great

thps4 is capped at 30fps on ps1. Turbo high is not quite enough to hold 30fps all the time, but it really only drops to 27-28 at those rare spots

[ivory verge]

For me it was a shock that Fifa 2005 came out on psx 🤣

[tropic stratus]

I know 2 casual players in family who buy the new Fifa every year....because...the gameplay mechanic improves. Every year. I will never understand that

[ivory verge]

I don't understand it either 🙃

[tropic stratus]

but then, there are some game series i would buy again even with minor improvements, so maybe it's just preference

[wanton crown]

nether do I

[summer sage]

I will never understand sports games in general

can people set them to just play themselves so they dont have to wait for a real sports game to be on tv?

is there a difference?

[ornate walrus]

I get the gist of it because fighting games are the same. To the casual eye, makes zero difference if an attack connects 2 frames faster or slower, but it can push a character to be really busted or useless on some scenarios.

[full nimbus]

The Game version would have less divng

[random gust]

From what I've heard, even people who are into sports games are not happy with the lack of innovation year after year.

[full nimbus]

if they buy it year after year why bother innovating. See Call of Duty for an example

[random gust]

Then there's those people who are addicted to the microtransactions such as those 'Ultimate Team packs'.

[random gust]

Why indeed...
'Tis a sad state of affairs, but it's been like this for about at least a decade.

[ivory verge]

Today is Resident Evil 2's birthday, 25th

[ivory verge]

For me, RE1 and RE2 are the best

[wanton crown]

I thought so before RE2 remake

but indeed both are timeless masterpieces

[ivory verge]

Remake versions are great, but I still have the greatest fondness for the original versions and often return to them

[wanton crown]

yea same

[bitter lintel]

i'm shocked

[ivory verge]

Strongly shocked?

[bitter lintel]

dual shocked

[ivory verge]

To celebrate, will you be playing RE2 today? 🙃

[bitter lintel]

i've played the four last chapters of uncharted lost legacy and finished it. i played about an hour of elden ring....and that's it. there is still time BUT NAY! i've played re2 enough in my life

i also preserved that new cotton game that looks like it was made in FLASH and tried it just now. looks and plays like a shmup.

[ivory verge]

Do you like Elden Ring ?

[bitter lintel]

yes but i've not really touched it lately. i discovered a new area just now and got the itch again but i feel like jumping on other games for a while. i'm not done with it.

[ivory verge]

I need to play Elden Ring at some point, but I don't know if I can find the time for such a long game right now

[empty yacht]

just skip being a responsible adult for a week or two

[ivory verge]

It took me 2 months to complete God of War Ragnarok at 100% 🤣

Less than 50h of play

[ivory verge]

It is not that simple unfortunately 😉

[bitter lintel]

i fell off at 30 hours. i thought i had enough but it was all in my mind. okay so i had like a half year long break but then i got back to it now and played another 60 hours

[hasty jay]

I'm having a "conversation" with chatGPT and it claims that there were some slightly enhanced graphics in the PAL versions for FF7 and RE2, is that true?

(it was wrong about quite a number of things so it's quite possible this is just made up)

[bitter lintel]

my buddy and i had our wow moment in RE2 when at one point in the game we fired the shotgun and it left bulletholes for a few seconds in the tube as if you shoot through the glass. ever seen that

and then we immediately tried to replicate it but weren't able to

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/198454-resident-evil/65059299

i guess we found it by accident on our first playthrough

this looks like re 1 though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbZvOAblI9k

[visual depot]

You all talking about 30 and 40 hours and I'm sitting here playing Xenoblade games

I'm not even halfway through the first game on Switch lol

[bitter lintel]

how can you spend that amount of time on it

[visual depot]

because it's fun

and there's a fuckton of content

[rare gyro]

yeah it would normally drop a lot more

but if one were to use patches or cheats to uncap the framerate.. maybe it's a good idea to use pal games for those which fluctuate just above 50fps

[plucky plume]

Everytime I try to play through the Xenoblade games, at some point it just becomes a slog and I find something more interesting

[visual depot]

The first game isn't as engaging in my eyes, so if it's that one you have trouble with, I get it

[plucky plume]

Sadly happened with all of them at different points. First one is the most extreme though, there is so much empty running around between story beats

[wanton crown]

I don't think so.
Maybe it mistakes the information that PAL games supposedly have better color / resolutions and assumes that

I use it for some code sometimes but mostly to help me in japanese and the amount of mistakes it makes in japanese is quite high unfortunately.
I wish chat GPT would stop affirming things everytime, and instead say "I think" or "I'm not entirely sure"

[visual depot]

I gotcha. I love exploring, but not everyone likes being unhinged from direction in a story RPG

[wanton crown]

if you keep exploring in xenoblades you're doing things right

[visual depot]

However, if it has like no direction at all, that's where I can't stand it. Like Breath of the Wild

all 3 Xenoblade games on Switch at least show you where you should be going, while they let you do whatever

BotW is just like "meh do whatever"

in xenoblade you eventually find yourself needing to continue, and then it opens up more to do

[bitter lintel]

i'm fed up with quest markers, story and handholding

[visual depot]

Well, if you want you can turn off quest markers and hints and stuff in Xenoblade

They do give you that option. Technically the first game didn't even have them on the Wii

[wanton crown]

you're stuck at everything before ps3/xbox unless you like Fromsoftware games

[visual depot]

I find the developers of Xenoblade understand to let the player figure things out with the combat. There's a lot of hidden things you can do with it that they never even tell you

[wanton crown]

the pinnacle of this philosophy being the last Horizon game and God of War PS4/Ragnarok, my god did I start hating "modern gaming"

[visual depot]

Some that change the entire aspect of the combat

I personally feel that compared to most JRPG's, Xenoblade is better about how they handle the handholding

It's not irritating to me at all, ever

And a lot of times you can even turn it off

And when it happens with it enabled, it's generally short

[bitter lintel]

all i know is i'm disabling the minimap in the next zelda

[visual depot]

I mean, Takahashi literally wanted it to have story levels of Final Fantasy by his own words, but felt that the Final Fantasy franchise since the 2000's had suffered in gameplay dramatically

He wanted it to have good gameplay as well

you can disable the minimap in Xenoblade 2 xD

and 1 too

I haven't looked with 3

[patent junco]

it's weird, when playing classic games I can get myself into the right mindset to try and learn where to go and just puzzle things out, but yeah with modern games I have no patience and just always refer to the minimap, quest markers, hints, etc

[eternal vapor]

Yeah I felt the pacing was really slow in Xenoblade 1. I haven't played the others yet but did finish the first game.

Loved the world and soundtrack, found the story and characters decent but overall unremarkable, and felt similarly about the gameplay

It was like a 6/10 game for me overall. I enjoyed it moderately

Granted I've never really been a big fan of JRPG gameplay

[eternal vapor]

BoTW has a trackable main story with quest markers though?

It has a quest log to keep track of all of that for main and sidequests

[visual depot]

Except all of the game is about the exploration.

The game has very little story. It's all about the world.

That's not the case with Xenoblade.

[eternal vapor]

I'm with you there. I got hyped for the BoTW story from all the trailers but the game fell very flat of that

I'm just saying it definitely gives the player sufficient direction imo

[visual depot]

Some people like that.

It's just not for me.

There's very little reward or requirement to actually go with that direction though

[eternal vapor]

Yeah I can see where you're coming from, it's probably my least favorite 3D Zelda. I thought exploring got boring too fast for how much world there is to explore, mostly because you get "rewarded" with the same few things over and over (mainly shrines and monster camps to clear)

[visual depot]

Yeah you quickly find you're not going to find any key items or unique tools in the wild.

So it becomes entirely uninviting to actually try.

[ember cedar]

Had a person trying out ps1 on a new mister and was getting this odd square on RE2, is this normal?

[ivory verge]

I don't see anything unusual there, where is the square? 😆

[patent junco]

do you mean that slightly darker part at the top middle?

willing to bet that's just how it always looked

[ivory verge]

Scanlines and dark image do not help to see something

I don't know if there is something or not , but it's always worth asking if he is using the default settings.🙃

[rare gyro]

huh? what am I supposed to be seeing here?

[ivory verge]

Square to other reality 😋

[ember cedar]

sorry, drew some bad lines around it. The guy playing it noticed it because he says he's seen it in emulators in the past

like it's lighter in the enclosed area

I believe this was RE2 analog edition. I don't know anything about RE, just wanted to pass this along

He temporarily had the 480i hack on, switched it off as well. Default otherwise

[rare gyro]

it might be worth testing against original hardware. this might be the way the pre-rendered image casted the light from the florescent bulbs, with the top shadow coming from the fixture

though the perspective does look a little off, unless the fixture is crooked

[stuck stirrup]

I bet it's just a texture seam.

[tropic stratus]

prerendered textures in RE are images going through MDEC, so they are handled in 16x16 blocks. This could be one reason. Another could be that the mdec has a rounding problem. Another could be that is just how the game is, as it's running in 15bit color mode and 5 bit per color are not great

I would assume if the MDEC really was faulty, we would see rounding issues on other occasions. Because 5 bit isn't much, rounding wrong would make the brightness and color 1/32 wrong, so dark grey gets black, light red gets white, ....whatever. I doubt this would have been unnoticed for 14 month

[ivory verge]

I've completed RE2 several times and haven't noticed any such problems. Tonight I may check this location again with the dualschock version

[wanton crown]

it's definitely on real hardware

[rare gyro]

there you have it @ember cedar

[wanton crown]

I don't know how to explain it but simulated scanlines under certain conditions make it even more obvious than on a CRT or without the filters at all

[ember cedar]

Thanks for the info 👍I never doubt this core

[quick gyro]

We talked like a week ago about having too low brightness on the PSX core with dark Games like Alien Trilogy. I just found out that with one of the last Updates the mister.ini has a video_brightness setting for the hdmi output. Works great so far, standard value is 50 and i set it to 57 for all my cores because i like to use shadow masks everywhere 🙂

[ivory verge]

Thanks for the info ! 👌🏻👍🏻🍻

[serene nebula]

I’m fishing! I love this core lmao

[wooden rose]

I worked on that option. One thing to keep in mind though; raising the brightness via the .ini will also raise the black levels. You may want to also up the contrast to compensate.
Alternatively, if your display supports HDR, you can enable that on MiSTer which will help you get more brightness as well. The option for that is hdr=1.

[tacit fox]

Should I enable HDR for all cores or only on specific ones?

[wooden rose]

It works on all cores, but it works best when you use scanlines and shadowmasks.
There shouldn't really be any downside to enabling it, but a few people have mentioned color differences even on HLG.
You will need to see for yourself

[tacit fox]

It switched to standard mode instead of game mode. Menu color also got a little red tinted. Then I’ve reverted it.

[quick gyro]

My TV is 10 years old by now. Not sure if HDR is not too new for it 👀

But I really like the new options in the mister.ini at least now I can see something in the dark ps4 games 🤘😎

I always leave the colors as they are, I tried some videos about color calibration on the TV but even with the 240p suite I always feel like every change by me is maybe worse than just letting everything as is

[wooden rose]

Did you update to the latest binary? Also, HDR picture modes are separate, so you would need to set it to game mode again.

[wooden rose]

It's probably not HDR-capable :V

Find yourself a friend with a display calibration tool