Sony PlayStation

[ivory verge]

I have never seen or heard of such a thing

[rancid chasm]

yep same here, menu will come up fine too but nothing else, I figured it was due to trying the latest unstable mister main for the hdr, are you using that too?

[waxen forum]

nope

im maybe 2 daily updates from the current stable

[rancid chasm]

I'm using whatever test build one was before the latest alien fix, haven't tried the latest to see if it persists yet

[devout nacelle]

Made a mgl for the 2x psx core so it has its own settings and folder to have it separate and only use games that benefit from it.

Now to figure out which games benefit from it.

[serene nebula]

Recommend doing symlinks to keep the save and savestate folders the same if you care about that consistency. Also the games folder too.

[devout nacelle]

If I do that it will only be for saves not the games folder. The point of me doing it is to have games that I've found actually benefit from it appear for that core.

[serene nebula]

Ah I see, yeah that makes sense, I did something similar.

I did a symlink of the new PSX core to the original games directory to make checking games easier, no need to explore directories. Since I use MGL files to launch all the games in my library I basically have a "favorites" folder of all the games that work great and also sym link those game mgl files.

I don't actually launch the cores anymore lol

I think what you're doing is super smart. No need to browse a giant library of games to find the ones you want that you know work well!

[devout nacelle]

Well I've initially copied all my games to the other folder. Will delete them as I test..like blaster master froze on loading a new game so it out

[serene nebula]

Oh damn that sucks it froze, I like that game!

[devout nacelle]

Well still works on the main core

[serene nebula]

So far my favorite use is using the core with European games with uncapped framerates. No more 10% slower speed for me! The forced 60hz is a great hack but it speeds up the game so finally we have like a "proper" way to get better fps.

Granada works pretty well with the core for example

[devout nacelle]

Yeah most pal 60 hacks just force the game to run faster than normal

Quake 2 seems to work well..

[devout nacelle]

Sotn works pretty good but looks like it sticks pretty close to 60fps without 2x

[devout nacelle]

how do i create a symlink in mister?

[visual depot]

what font are you using btw?

[visual depot]

can you also share the mgl file

I'm interested

[devout nacelle]

its called Misc_Dragon_Warrior

its basically the font used in the NES Dragon Warrior game

[visual depot]

Much appreciated

You able to upload that MGL file when you get a chance?

[devout nacelle]

I put the core in another folder i named "special" to keep the core from showing up twice but you can change it to whatever you want.

you can change the setname to whatever you want as well..but whatever you change it to will be the folder you put the games in and also what gamesaves,savestates and settings are saved under

[devout nacelle]

you know anything about creating symlinks in mister?

[visual depot]

I believe it's possible if done from the command line or SSH on the MiSTer.... symlinks are just files the operating system handles

So it's able to do it on the fat32 partition

see?

FAT32 can't naturally support it on Windows (Windows symlinks are filesystem dependent I believe), but linux symlinks aren't filesystem dependent

it's just a file pointing to the new location, and Linux picks up on that and treats it as the targeted folder instead, inheriting the child permissions

[devout nacelle]

I figured it out..for some reason it was saying the folder didnt exist...but it worked when i typed the folder name as all lowercase

now my psx ans psx2x access thesame saves

[visual depot]

linux is case sensitive with file paths

Well, the more correct statement is NT is not

Pretty much everything else is case-sensitive

at least these days

you can have a MiSTer and mister folder in the same location on linux filesystems (not FAT32)

but Linux still needs the paths to say the correct case

But with FAT32 I think there are checks for exceptions with the MiSTer binary and its implementations

But manual command line is where it matters

Like the MiSTer allows atari2600 and ATARI2600 and any deviation, but I think it does that at a software level

[devout nacelle]

yeah i know i use linux on everything..but it wouldnt work when i typed it exactly the way the folder was named..maybe a limitation of fat32?

[visual depot]

hmmm. odd

maybe

Maybe due to a network share being a different capitalization?

[devout nacelle]

dunno..but its working..that's what matters to me..lol

[visual depot]

yeah nevermind it seems that the filesystem may be mounted case-insensitive on the MiSTer. Both work for me

at least for /media/fat

unless the driver automatically mounts it that way (I actually don't really know... going by educated guesses here. I haven't used Linux as a daily driver for like 15 years)

I mainly use Linux command line on servers nowadays

Haven't touched fat32 with one for like 10 years xD

[devout nacelle]

I'm running fedora linux on the laptop i'm using right now

while i was at it i made my gameboy and super gameboy access the same saves

[devout nacelle]

even tho i use linux everyday symlinks arent something i typically use.

[visual depot]

gotcha

Well, if you can send me that PSX 2X mgl file some time I'd appreciate it ^^

If not that's fine

[visual depot]

thanks a lot!

[devout nacelle]

I put the core in another folder i named "special" to keep the core from showing up twice but you can change it to whatever you want.

you can change the setname to whatever you want as well..but whatever you change it to will be the folder you put the games in and also what gamesaves,savestates and settings are saved under

[visual depot]

didn't know it was this simple lol

[devout nacelle]

me either til i started messing around with it.

[visual depot]

where does it search for the special folder

/media/fat/ ?

or /media/fat/_Console

[devout nacelle]

media/fat/

[visual depot]

neat so then special won't show up

nice

and now names.txt supports mgl files 😄

[devout nacelle]

you can use mgl to split off any core just give it a different setname and it will have its own game folder and settings

[visual depot]

how did you get it to name it as Sony PlayStation 2X CPU? Is that automatic?

Or did you have to change up names.txt

[devout nacelle]

i changed name.txt

PSX2X: Sony PlayStation 2X CPU

[visual depot]

yeah I'm looking at names.txt and it looks like it has weird line splits

[devout nacelle]

add that line

[visual depot]

Not sure why that is

[devout nacelle]

if you edit it yourself you might want to turns names.txt off in the update all else it will remove the changes when the names.txt gets updated.

[visual depot]

alright

[tropic stratus]

is the psx2x channel gone?

[hazy glade]

So, I was messing around in Crash Bandicoot 2. I was playing on level 21, "Piston it away", and was able to try the... Um, I'm not sure as I never done one before... The platform with the skull and crossbones on it. I got to an are with a glass cover, and got shoved into a nitro by a shield basher scientist dude, and this happened...

[hazy glade]

I don't think so... I was just there.

[tropic stratus]

strange cannot find it

[hazy glade]

Wow... That glitch is reproducible.

[tropic stratus]

could this be a game bug?

[hazy glade]

Da frick? I was JUST there...

[tropic stratus]

found it, sorry. I was thinking it's in mister cores, but it's in game-and-core-related

[hazy glade]

Dunno. But in the skull and crossbones bonus part of level 21, let the scientist push you into the nitro with an Aku Aku equipped.

[tropic stratus]

unfortunatly that's not something you can easily try and reproduce on a emulator or hw

[hazy glade]

Not without cheating to get to the stage.

[visual depot]

@tropic stratus Is the PSX2X core supposed to fail to boot if I have a symlinked windows boot.rom in the network share from my PC?

Lol

It softlocked the MiSTer it seems

not sure if it happens on regular PSX core too

seems that junctions are safe.... not windows symlinks

the sbi.zip was also symlinked. Not sure if that had anything to do with it

[tropic stratus]

could be, not sure how the access on HPS side works

[visual depot]

It's possibly a permission issue. They are created with admin permissions. Not sure.

[ivory verge]

Is it about the flickering?

[hazy glade]

No, Crash is stuck.

[ivory verge]

Ah ok

That bastard!

Stuck again 😆

[hazy glade]

I made a savestate to test. I should post it.

[ivory verge]

This will be hard to verify without checking on real Playstation

[hazy glade]

Maybe someone can bust out their dex drive...

These... Should work?

The per game memcard, and a savestate.

Even if you can't easily verify on real hardware, it's still amusing.

[abstract drift]

There’s loads of ways to get a save file onto real hardware

I can probably check that when I’m back home - couple of days

[hazy glade]

Yep, just take the death route in level 21 "Piston it away" (It's a platform with a skull and crossbones on it. You must reach the platform without losing a life, or it becomes inaccessible.) Make sure you have at least one Aku Aku. On the route, there is an area behind glass, with nitro crates. There is a scientist here that will shield bash you into one. Let him do so. Profit.

[wooden rose]

Anyone have a recommendation for a fun racing game that works with the widescreen hack?

[ivory verge]

Gran Turismo 1/2, Wipeout 2097/3

[quick gyro]

I had much fun with Colin McRae rally 2 but it's important to play the PAL version because they somehow managed to ruin the port of the game to ntsc. Non PAL runs around 10 % slower

[random gust]

I haven't heard of this before. Are there any other titles where this is the case?

[quick gyro]

I think some of the Wipeout games have more polished PAL versions.

I often check tcrf.net for some games they Point out regional differences

https://tcrf.net/Colin_McRae_Rally_2.0_(PlayStation)

[wooden rose]

Thanks, I'll give them a shot

[harsh shale]

I appreciate how you've set up your names.txt

[summer sage]

i'd never be able to find some systems with the brands

then again, megaduck doesnt need an entry much less a brand

also "Nintendo Super NES" makes my eye twitch 🙂

nintendo super nintendo entertainment system

[visual depot]

I have a memcard pro and could test this if I owned the game xD

[scenic reef]

Sounds like it's time to get an xStation too 😉

[visual depot]

I beat the n-sane trilogy recently

[wanton crown]

great remakes

I'd say they have surpassed the original material (very rare for remaster/remakes) but I can't stay the same thing for the Crash Team Racing remake although it was very good

[devout nacelle]

I get what you are saying and yeah makes sense. But the only reason I use the brand names is for organization it keeps all the Nintendo cores right there together in the list and all the Sega cores together in the list.

[serene nebula]

That’s what I have mine named, you don’t? I make sure the name fully scrolls before loading to make sure I’m using the right code.

[summer sage]

no, mine is named SNES, because I know how the alphabet works and what SNES is

system name is a far more intuitive way to sort than brand name and statically speaking, no different in time-to-seek for any given system

the only reason you'd sort by brand name would be if you knew you wanted to play a certain brand and didn't know what the name of their systems were

[devout nacelle]

Do me a favor and just fuck off..I don't agree but you don't have to be degrading or insulting

[summer sage]

that's not insulting

why are you insulted by that?

furthermore why are you so rude

that's just an outright hostile statement because you feel so strongly that brand names are essential in a space limited user interface?

[devout nacelle]

It's a preference and you are saying everything short of just calling me a dumbass for having it

[summer sage]

no, that's your own feelings about yourself when faced with an otherwise pretty objective statement. How you sort a list is and present information is a thing that can be made objectively more or less intuitive and efficient

people actually sit down and put thought, coversation, and analysis into these things when designing applications and UI's

[tacit fox]

Merry Christmas everyone 🎄

Let’s play some great games! I’m playing Dragon Quest VII and I’m loving it! ❤️

[bitter lintel]

do you have your dragon quest games listed under the "dragon quest" brand or under "rpg's"? and which do you prefer?

[bitter lintel]

this is just funny a hell. it has to be said.

imagine the chaos and uproar we could create if we combined forces on reddit.

[summer sage]

who wants chaos and uproar

[bitter lintel]

you don't want to watch the world burn?

[iron abyss]

Under Enix, duh

[summer sage]

the opposite, I want to see the world get better

[bitter lintel]

ok yeah uh.. yeah.. no, that's not happening.

i will insult you by taking my last of of my super nintendo system entertainment and placing them in their own category called "second super half library"

[wooden rose]

honestly, who cares how someone names and sorts their core list

let people do it how they want to

[bitter lintel]

i've added the dkc trilogy and all the donkey kong games in a "monkey" folder

but monkey island isn't really about monkeys so that goes in the "forest games" folder

[empty yacht]

also amidar?

[wooden rose]

does tarzan go into the monkey folder or the forest games folder

[bitter lintel]

forest

[wooden rose]

oh and dont forget to put ape escape in the monkey folder

[subtle dragon]

he monke

[wanton crown]

I've been playing alien resurrection because the bug got me intrigued

and man is the game so ahead of its time

apparently it is somehow based on the quake 2 engine which I directly recognized since as I love that game so much

[subtle dragon]

I'm pretty sure you've seen the funny review by now, huh?

[wanton crown]

yea lol

[frail storm]

It has happened to me some times, too: core always loads, and I can always enter the core menu, but sometimes the games themselves only show a gray screen until I change the core or reload the same core.

It happens VERY rarely, but it does.

[waxen forum]

yup

[manic valley]

Please stop arguing ! It’s like watching my parents fight!

Respect to everyone

[summer sage]

I think I'll just avoid talking for a while, lots of hostility lately

[serene nebula]

That’s alphabet-ist. Discriminatory against those of us who don’t know how the alphabet works.

[summer sage]

let it go

need need to continue to disrupt this channel

[serene nebula]

Oh I’m joking, trying to diffuse the situation through absurdist humor

Sorry! Was just being goofy.

[waxen forum]

I wish I didnt commit myself to the parasite eve postgame...

[serene nebula]

I’m pretty sure that’s what Square Enix said to themselves halfway through the development of 3rd Birthday.

[waxen forum]

pfff

[serene nebula]

lol

That Choro Q Wonderful game is rad. I liked Road Trip so I can see how that game evolved from this first one,

Really benefits from the #1052672192900501534 core.

[crisp shale]

Please, which core build were you using?

[crisp shale]

@hazy glade
The Crash Bandicoot 2's bug you reported seems to be related to the use of save states.
Using the memory card save you provided, I could not reproduce it from a cold boot. And I tried many times in a row.

Then I created my own save state near the death route crossbones platform and restored it, after using that save state I could reproduce it time and time again.
And I did it using both the December 16th and the December 24th unstable builds.
Most of the time I was able to create save states that didn't manifest the bug upon restore; but a few times the creation of the save state seems to create a buggy restoring point, from where you'll always be able to reproduce the issue, even if you die and the game reloads from the nearest checkpoint.

So I don't think it's a regression related to a specific fix, but a bug/limitation of the save state feature.
Depending on where/when you generate your save state, once you restore from it the game will manifest that bug. But from a cold start and without resorting to the save state feature, I was unable to reproduce it.
FYI: @tropic stratus

[crystal ferry]

gonna have to try this room on the double speed core to see the difference. I know tomb raider is a fairly early game and probably not that well optimized but this room really taxes the system.
Having a gator swimming around drops an additional FPS to 8. fun stuff

[hazy glade]

I was using the latest stable version, dated 22.12.21. I had actually encountered the issue, and then floundered around for a bit, before it finally killed me. I then went back there, and did a savestate before trying again.

[tropic stratus]

thanks @crisp shale Haven't seen a savestate related bug in a while and now such a crazy one...I can try to compare things if you could provide a savestate that is "buggy" and one that is not, ideally both taken at the exact same position

the bug doesn't have to be triggered in the savestate, i would just run both against each other for 2-3 frames in simulation and see if there is any difference in CPU execution that could explain it or difference in ram content

@hazy glade so you also loaded a savestate before the bug triggered the first time?

[hazy glade]

I had posted a savestate a little way back, that places crash before the buggy area.

[hazy glade]

I had encountered the bug, and then I returned to the warp room, as that was my only option. I then got back to that point, and made a savestate so I could test. The first time it happened I had not used any savestates.

[tropic stratus]

so that is different to what barone found...maybe it's just random then and has nothing to do with savestates?

[hazy glade]

I thought it was just an anomaly, and decided to share it with you guys 😆. I didn't realize I may (or may not) have found a core issue.

[crisp shale]

The weird part is that with one specific savestate I can always reproduce it and without I couldn't after dozens of tries.
I'll share the savestates later today.
I think the Aku Aku count may be at play here.
'Cause I noticed some inconsistence once I respawned to a checkpoint.
I hadn't an Aku Aku when I passed there, but once I respawned I had one.
Something doesn't seem right about that, hehe.

And as the result of the push against the nitro crate will be death animation or iframes depending on the Aku Aku inventory, I suspect its attributes aren't being properly restored in memory for some reason.
Just a conjecture, of course.

A cheat to force infinite Aku Aku after loading a problematic save state could verify that.

[crisp shale]

Another question: which controller setting were you using? Dual Shock?

[hazy glade]

I... Think so? The core specifies either digital or analogue upon starting a game, I'm guessing it is dualshock.

Lemme check

Yes, I'm using dualshock

Yeah... While I was checking my controller type, I decided to try getting it to happen again, and... I can't.

That memory card save I post, if I remember correctly. Is after I finished the level, where as I did the savestate before.

[astral dove]

had a minor issue in armored core project phantasma where some of the polygons on the back of my mech would turn solid white after a while. I think this happened after moving around in the water for a bit in the arena.

[ivory verge]

Please share savestate

[tacit fox]

Savestates or it didn’t happen

[ivory verge]

It seems to me that the same will be on the real hw, but I do not know where to look 🙂

[tulip moat]

Just a random question, but why doesn't the PS1 core have a "Scandoubler Fx" option like the other cores?

[summer sage]

the complexity of the psx's video signal and multiple resolutions as well as interlaced video make it nearly impossible to support that feature

[tulip moat]

Okay just was curious

[gilded trellis]

I agree interlaced is non go..multiple resolutions doesn't matter i think

[summer sage]

im just repeating what robert has stated several times

[gilded trellis]

Every progressive 15khz resolution can be scandoubled

[summer sage]

I can say that with the mister's existing scandoubler modules, the resolution does in fact matter

if that was the only issue maybe you could modify it to be more tolerant of that, but off course there's more

I suspect it's also just a use of resources that would be difficult to spare in this core

[gilded trellis]

At this point, framework isn't prepared for scandouble cores with interlaced resolutions

[summer sage]

psx changes it's pixel clock which is what the scandoubler is sensitive to

it basically needs a 4x the pixel clock

psx uses 5 different pixel clocks that are not integer divisions of a master clock

[gilded trellis]

ok, this is a more solid response xD

[summer sage]

sorry that I generalized the pixel clock changes with resolution changes, as they are the same in psx

[visual depot]

There's 3% room left in the core, so scandoubler is not really going to work out.. The core is maxed out besides bugfixes

[gilded trellis]

maybe when core isn't updated anymore..

psx looks fantastic on a pc crt, worth it

[rare gyro]

🤗 glad you didn't go through with that

[solemn turtle]

it's not like the scaler adds that much lag

considering what it would take to hack in scandoubler support, the scaler seems elegant here

[rare gyro]

hmm.. I don't have a retrotink5x yet, but I wonder what it would be like to use analog video from MiSTer via YPbPr on it. I guess you would need to change the settings with each core

I never used the scan doubler, but maybe it's better to use a system specifically designed for handling video signals

[gilded trellis]

This is psx core on bvm a20 and a diamond crt

Photo does not do it justice..i will upload some video on youtube

bvm with vga and diamond with hdmi on vga adapter with @120hz for 31khz

uploading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rV4A1fU2Y

[craggy forge]

I discovered a small bug with the psx core SNAX, when using a USB controller on player 1, and SNAC port 2 on player 2, then whatever is connected on port 2 isn't detected anymore by the game. It works perfectly well with both SNAC port active, or port 1 alone (with a usb controller for player 2), just not with port 2 alone.

[still palm]

which build did you try? see if that's fixed in an unstable build after 11/28

[craggy forge]

ah right, I haven't tried the unstable. my bad

[still palm]

think it's fixed, noticed something like that when I tried gun in port 2 only.

might be a game specific bug too, since I of course tried port 2 by itself before

[craggy forge]

yeah that's what I was trying

tried several games tho

[craggy forge]

@still palm you were right, it's fixed with the unstable, thanks! 👍

[craggy forge]

Just a quick update showing the latency of the gun4ir vs native guncon1 on the PS1 core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE9FgECUapY

it's awesome to be able to use both native guncon and other techs at the same time

[serene nebula]

That’s awesome, thanks for sharing!

[meager parrot]

Just playing Colin McRae 2.0 on the core for my first time tonight- and what a treat! Works so well with wheel & pedals and the PAL version integer scales so nicely to 1080p. The game looks and plays wonderfully on MiSTer!

Gotta admit this is my first time using a PAL game with the core- is there anything I should know about specific options? Should fixed h-blank be disabled? Does the PAL 60hz hack increase game speed? I noticed the framerate goes from 24-25fps to 29-30fps.

[meager parrot]

im trying to record footage and test for speed differences but i'm not nearly consistent enough at driving in the game yet haha. maybe i can find a segment that starts with a long straight-away..

[crystal ferry]

RobotronX works perfectly with the 2xCPU and it makes the game way more playable and fun. The original hardware drops to nearly 15fps regularly and it affects input response and your ability to react quickly to enemies.
WIth 2x CPU its pretty close to 30fps all the time and its a much better expereince

developers of this game were pretty bold to make all the enemies fully 3D models and try to spawn so many of them in a fast moving action game.
The game would have lost a lot of its graphical appeal but if the enemies were 2D sprites it would run much better and not really be missing anything

[serene nebula]

That game came out before the dual analog right so it uses face buttons for firing?

[crystal ferry]

yes which isnt ideal but it works ok

[serene nebula]

I imagine I could always do a temporary map to the analog sticks when playing the game,

[crystal ferry]

you can only fire in 8 directions so you're not limited by the layout at least

[serene nebula]

I only played the N64 version, I remember being amazed I could play it with two n64 controllers lol

[crystal ferry]

you can use two controllers in psx too.. but its just two d-pads. the layout options are there at least

[serene nebula]

oh shit that rocks, I didn't know!

[crystal ferry]

tomb raider 1 seems faster with the 2x core, both in speed and framerate. Ive been playing through it on the normal core and i think everything is moving faster

[serene nebula]

Yeah some games do run faster with higher fps

[twin walrus]

I was playing Thrasher Skate & Destroy earlier today and the game kept crashing. Can anyone else confirn this?

It happens in single player mode after bailing once or twice.

[ivory verge]

Yes, it's known

[ivory verge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues/169

[abstract drift]

does it crash less if you disable rumble? like set the pad to just plain digital?

idk if rumbling puts much strain on the hps but i'm guessing it happens when you bail?

[ivory verge]

I use digital pad, no change

At least in Dave Mirra

It's very random

Sometimes it happens very quickly, several times in a row, sometimes once in a while, it cannot be reproduced easily

[quick gyro]

i think its different from game to game if the 60hz hack increases the game speed but when i tried with the colin mcrae 2.0 PAL version for me it felt much faster than it should run 🙂

i played with a gamepad and on the advanced championchip i had to give up when the winter races came. from there on you have to manually tune the car and practice a lot to drive on snow and ice and i gave up after hours of losing the same race again and again 😅

[meager parrot]

Thanks! I hadn't played the PlayStation version until now, and the game in general for a couple decades

[quick gyro]

What's also a cool detail of the PAL version is that only in the PAL version the guy that tells you what turn comes next is the voice of the real co pilot that Colin McRae had at the the time

[twin walrus]

Oh man, this must have been introduced during some update because it used to work fine but cannot remember if it was during beta or around the first release.

[shut escarp]

Wild https://twitter.com/dr4gonblitz/status/1608344084631912448?s=46&t=ikORv35JuEO_HCWekVBc3w

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After 25 years, KernelEquinox on discord discovered that the developers of castlevania SotN left in a debug code to destroy this bridge by pressing ▲ on a controller plugged into player 2! Huge 20ish second timesave for psx and randomizer speedruns

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[wanton crown]

lmao

[narrow folio]

Does anyone use one of the low profile 512gb usb stick with their mister? Ones like the PNY or the Sandisk ultrafit? I’d like to get my PSX games off my sd card and was wonder how well they functioned.

[summer sage]

they're probably fine. They tend to run warm, but I doubt that will be an issue here.

the usb on mister is fairly slow so there's not going to be a ton of high speed transfers or anything

[hidden prism]

my 512GB SSD drive attached to my Wii gets pretty hot despite only being powered though the Wii USB port and it’s definitely not breaking any transfer speed records

[narrow folio]

I’m guessing a game will take longer to load if it drive is nearly full? (Not longer to load in game but for the core to load the file)

I plan on just dumping ~450gb of psx games onto it.

[ember cedar]

just curious, If i make save states for games are they stored for each individual game?

[lilac scaffold]

yep 4 slots per game

eg
/savestates/PSX/Dino Crisis 2 (USA)_1.ss
/savestates/PSX/Dino Crisis 2 (USA)_2.ss

[wooden rose]

PSX is currently busted for me, regardless of version, and it puzzles me

I get "ED" instantly

Savestates load and then hang immediately

[abstract drift]

usually means your bios files are missing iirc

[wooden rose]

I figured it out

SNAC was causing it

Not sure why

Nope it was not that, it worked for a bit but then it broke

[devout nacelle]

Have you tried just deleting the core and running update again to redownload it? It don't happen often but every once in a while I get a bad download that corrupts the files and makes it do wired stuff and not work right.

[timber veldt]

Delete the .cfg files for psx

If you are using cif then try to mount again

[devout nacelle]

That too

[wooden rose]

I think the bios thing is correct

I reorganized my squashfs image, and it did not have the bios

However, when I unmount it, and it reverts back to the original PSX folder, stuff works

Yep, that was it

Thanks @abstract drift

[tropic stratus]

yes, just like the bug states: release version 20221023 is fine, next is not. I tried to reproduce but didn't got it once....if you want to play it, you can use the old build. If you want it fixed: try every unstable build between both releases (i think it was 25 -> 5 builds to test with binary search) and i might can guess the issue with knowing which change it was.

but maybe not 😦

[twin walrus]

Well, one fix for a game can mean a fix for many games sometimes so when I have time I'll look into it./

:D

[tropic stratus]

if you really want to tackle it, i can give you a list of builds which would be even worth trying

(i think the main question is if 2022 11 05 is still working and 2022 11 06 is broken)

[dry drift]

I hear so many radio ads about this it must be very common

[rare gyro]

🤣

[twin walrus]

Sure. I would mainly be running the game until I come across the build that starts causing the issue.

[tropic stratus]

maybe just try if this build is broken:

#unstable-nightlies message

and if it is, check if this is still working:

#unstable-nightlies message

[meager parrot]

The latest build has an issue with games/bios not loading once a game is selected. reset does not fix it, and it just shows a black screen with no video output. its possible that the swap from NTSC bios when the core is loading to PAL bios with the game loads is the culprit, but it occurs on a fresh boot for the core 1/10 times at least when i tried with Colin McRae Rally 2.0 (Europe v1.0)

audio is still playing when this occurs though. all options in the core are at default, besides "sync 480i to hdmi" which is turned on. input for player 1 is set to Wheel-NegCon

latest release/official build, single sdram

[mystic violet]

evening - been dealing with another core 🙂 thought I would drop by in PSX

happy new year in advance!

[tropic stratus]

@meager parrot could you maybe find out which commit does start this? Or any reproducible way to trigger it? I cannot seem to get it, neither with reloading the core, nor with switching between ntsc and pal

[meager parrot]

i did not have fastboot enabled, if that may help. with how infrequently it happens, this will take a while to track down by testing older builds

[tropic stratus]

i also don't use fastboot typically 😦

i guess you use vsyncadjust 1 or 2?

[rancid chasm]

had this happen too, and do not play pal games so not a pal bios thing, noticed it on the build before the alien fix

[tropic stratus]

the turbo fix from 09 12?

or 16 12?

maybe it's more related to a main update that came in the last weeks? i can't see how the recent changes could trigger it

[rancid chasm]

i believe I was on the 16 12 and I do have the latest unstable main which I figured was the issue but another user said they weren't on the unstable main

[tropic stratus]

i think the most recent change that could have influence could be the black screen option from 04 12

if the issue happens, could you try to turn off this new option? (black transitions)

[rancid chasm]

if that is the fix, will it correct it as it's happening, cause it is really really random

[tropic stratus]

if that's the reason, the black screen should go away instantly

i mean, it makes sense that a faulty detection could trigger endless black screen transitions

does it also happen for you when loading a game or already when loading/booting the core?

[rancid chasm]

loading a game, just got it to trigger twice though I am using turbo high and 24 bit dithering, but they worked for a long time without issue, I kept rebooting and going back into the core, one time the screen was white another black and toggoling the setting did not help, you hear the bios and the game starting but I did notice in testing with SotN that the music did not play in the menu but sfx still worked in addition to no image, I can turn off the turbo and other options if you think it affecting the tests, and this is with the 16 12 build

[tropic stratus]

very strange...would need a way to trigger it

i'm currently reloading the core and loading a cd and didn't got any strange effects

are you also using "sync 480i to hdmi" ?

[rancid chasm]

yes

[tropic stratus]

can you test if creating a savestate with the issue present will make it persist?

[rancid chasm]

1 sec

making it and instantly reloading the state brought the music back but still no video

[tropic stratus]

please try loading the state after reloading the core

if it's still broken, i need this state 🙂

[rancid chasm]

not broken after restore sadly

[tropic stratus]

so the core is still working in background and framework/scaler makes the image disappear 😦

[rancid chasm]

core is working without cd audio though, menu still comes up fine

at least in my case

[tropic stratus]

missing cd audio could be some HPS interaction not working

[rancid chasm]

only happens when the video stops working just to make that clear

[tropic stratus]

which could also explain the black image for some cases

[rancid chasm]

I also got it with a white screen as well

[tropic stratus]

which vsync adjust/vscale settings do you use?

i'm still on mister main from 220719, so i should update and test again

[rancid chasm]

vscale 0 vsync 2

[meager parrot]

ah, i meant to mention before, i was using vsync_adjust 2 with vscale 0 in the mister.ini and integer scaling selected in the core OSD menu

[rancid chasm]

integer for vertical here too

[rancid chasm]

are using the new mister unstable build?

[tropic stratus]

is there a unstable after the official MiSTer_20221224?

[meager parrot]

this seems to be the case as audio still comes through and i can hear inputs registering to the game's menu

i am using the latest official release core, single sdram

[rancid chasm]

i wasn't aware of a 24 12, mine is 21 12 but Walrus and the other user I forget there name who was having trouble are both on latest stable so

[tropic stratus]

will try with 12 24 now

(mister main 12 24, core 12 21)

[rancid chasm]

all the hdr and hdmi color adjustment was added so wouldn't surprise me if some weirdness happened

[tropic stratus]

tried 10 times to reload the core and load a (pal) game, then load a savestate, all worked fine 😦

[rancid chasm]

i got it twice out of 10 or so times

[tropic stratus]

even that is so rare, you would need like 50 or so boots to be sure some old version is safe working

but i have no clue currently how to find out

maybe some other users can report if they have been using recent versions a lot and did/did not experience issues, so we can make the circle smaller

[rancid chasm]

I don't know if Walrus did but did you add the new hdr and hdmi color settings to your ini when you updated? mine are set to default but still

[tropic stratus]

i have not added anything to the ini

there has be no core related change since 12 04 that could have any influence on such a effect, so either the core isn't used much or there are more requirements to trigger it

given that you and Walrus report 10-20% failure rates, i would assume this would have come up earlier and by more users? So i would guess it's some circumstances not yet clear that trigger it

[rancid chasm]

i was using the psx core quite a bit and had it happen first boot after updating main to the hdr/hdmi color settings unstable build which is now in the stable build as well, which is why I figured it was that, hours and hours of using the core before that across weeks and never had it happen but now can reproduce by rebooting enough times

would adding lines 23 and 135-139 from the new ini be worth it just to rule it out

[tropic stratus]

to rule it out, using a mister main before would probably help

not sure if adding the default values to the ini has any effect

[rancid chasm]

using the previous mister main release and commented out ini i got it to black screen no music on the third reboot, but this time it did it during core load too

[ivory verge]

I use vsync 1 , all up to date, never happened to me something like this

[tropic stratus]

maybe it only happens with vsync adjust 2?

i'm using 0 typically

[ivory verge]

On my monitor vsync 2 doesn't work very well, I stayed with 1 and that's how I've had it set up for months

[rancid chasm]

i can test that, before I do just to check i've been doing reboots and not cold reboots, that should be fine right?

[abstract drift]

to change vsync mode? think you need a cold reboot

or reload the config file through the osd

[rancid chasm]

no i mean for testing this black screen issue, making sure I'm testing things out correctly, not sure what might keep in ram or whatever doing reboot vs cold reboot

[abstract drift]

if you're changing ini settings, cold reboot is best

if its just core settings soft reboot should be enough

[tropic stratus]

ini is reloaded every time a core is started

but it may still have influence, not sure

[abstract drift]

mister.ini ?

[tropic stratus]

yes, you can change settings there via network access, then reload the core and they will take effect

[abstract drift]

oh interesting i didn't know that

[rancid chasm]

right, not been changing the ini, rather I've been using reboot to cycle till the issue recurs

[wanton crown]

I never had such issues with bios not loading with the core ever
However I encountered such behavior with the cps2 arcade core when playing street fighter games where the vram would be randomly corrupted on boot up even on cold boot. Only fix I have is to wait a bit on the mister menu before booting the core...

Nobody seem to have ever reproduced it... but I could and two separate mister setups. Hoopefully here someone will

[rancid chasm]

brought myself back up to current versions and tested again and haven't been able to replicate it now, 30-40 reboots and that's still with vsync=2

[serene nebula]

@tropic stratus sounds like the same issue I was having. Loading a game via mgl with the latest build had the exact same effect as Walrus was describing

I had to revert to the latest PSX stable to get the core working again via mgl launch

[ivory verge]

I remember the launch of PlayStation as if it was yesterday, buying newspapers , collecting demo disks, the joy of completing the King's Field game haha, long conversations with buddies about games, a magical time 🙂

[tropic stratus]

@serene nebula sorry i don't get that. mgl was not working with unstable build but works with latest stable? what is latest for you 12 21?

[serene nebula]

Yup 12-21! Honestly not sure if mgl launching is even related but it does trigger the black screen issue for me.

I primarily launch games on the PSX core using mgl which is how I first noticed it. When I launch the test core first and load games within it, it’s worked fine for me.

[tropic stratus]

do you have anything reproducible that i can reconstruct here?

[serene nebula]

Sure, let me see if I can get a guaranteed repro!

I have dual ram btw, a second 32mb stick. Just adding that incase it’s related.

Going to be using this build - #test-builds message

[tropic stratus]

if you find anything, please upload the mgl and i will try it

[serene nebula]

That had a 5/5 repro rate for me.

I had issues loading other EU/JP mgl files but that one would never load, always a black screen (I waited about 20s to confirm it was stuck).

I am also using CHDs

[tropic stratus]

had to modify it to use bin/cue here and the path, but it works fine with the 12 24 testbuild

[serene nebula]

Hmmmm, could CHD loading be an issue?

[tropic stratus]

will change the path to the one chd i have 😅

[serene nebula]

I can try bin/cue on my end

[tropic stratus]

works fine with my croc chd

[serene nebula]

how perplexing!

[tropic stratus]

maybe there is some race condition where the bios is not downloaded until the game is started?

pal bios is downloaded at the end (us, jp is before)

[serene nebula]

could ram timings affect that?

[tropic stratus]

i'm not even sure this process can be interrupted in HPS

do you see the download progress bar when loading the core?

[serene nebula]

nope, but I did see the bios switch prompt

once I'm done adding the bin/cue I'll continue to retest using Chaos Break.

[tropic stratus]

but in your case, the game just doesn't work at all i guess?

or do you also get only black screen, but audio works?

[serene nebula]

yeah, just stays black. No Audio. I cannot load any game after that. I need to reboot to main menu and relaunch core.

[tropic stratus]

ok, it's a different issue then...but still strange why it happens

[serene nebula]

Ah ok, I'm sorry for conflating the two then.

[tropic stratus]

don't worry, was worth a try

[serene nebula]

Yeah bin/cue had no discernable difference. Curiously my issue seems specific to launching via mgl but when launching the core first then loading a game all is fine. Similar to Walrus I get a black screen and game loading refuses to work after, but unlike Walrus I get no audio. Just doing a quick recap there.

Thank you very much @tropic stratus ! Not a blocker on my end, the latest 12-21 works fine with mgls on my specific setup.

[iron abyss]

Ouch

[rare gyro]

Heh, who in this channel wasn't a kid in 94/95? 😂

[wanton crown]

94 rulez

[rare gyro]

that's when the PSX came out in Japan

But yeah I have some great memories of that year

[serene nebula]

Look what my awesome friend sent me! Time to play racing games with PSX and SNAX.

Don’t ask me about the t-shirts, I’m not ready to talk about the t-shirts.

[dry drift]

Wow you’re an international pizza athlete

[full nimbus]

So tell me about the T Shirts

[devout nacelle]

The question now is would he have ask if you hadn't said anything..lol

[meager parrot]

Colin McRae Rally 2.0 (Europe v1.0) with the T300RS Wheel/Pedals on the PS1 core:
https://youtu.be/rwonb7c_Iqw

Best racing game on PS1, I'd say. Never would have imagine Codemasters topped Sony at their own game, but the handling, physics and general challenge are just so well done here, considering the limitations of the console.

[serene nebula]

Oh man, playing these games with an analog steering wheel IS GREAT!

[serene nebula]

Haha I was just playing that right now with my steering wheel! Also real nice touch with the gloves. Very classy.

[lost coyote]

Still didn't exist by then

[meager parrot]

heheh thanks. keeps the wheel clean and easier friction for rally stuff where you're constantly counter-steering.

[devout nacelle]

I got a old madcatz mc2 for playstation that I don't even know if it still works..don't have a snac adapter yet to try it tho.

Thing I'm most worried about tho is the db9 type port that the peddles plug into is a bit rusty.

[tacit fox]

Almost spit my beer when I just read that line in Dragon Warrior VII 😂

[slow tusk]

Why... Yes!

[mystic violet]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-l-jackson-shocked-excuse-me-sam-jackson-what-gif-21549148

[spiral hatch]

After finishing replayong Snatcher (and while I'm waiting for Saturn to replay policenauts), I think I shall replay MGS!

[hard laurel]

T300 works now! Awesome!

[manic valley]

Poff poff !

[meager parrot]

Check video description for config notes for the T300 and a link to a forum thread where i compiled setup info, settings for individual games, and also pre-configured maps for specific games.

But yeah, works very well 🙂

[slate maple]

Was playing Adventures Of Little Ralph on my Stream today, and someone was telling me that the Audio was clipping/bugging out, is that a known issue with the game?

[serene nebula]

Was that an issue with the stream or capture card? Is the original game like that?

I don’t recall anyone bringing that up before.

[slate maple]

i have no idea, its the only game that acted that way.

i played Gunners Heaven on the same stream and it wasnt doing that at all

im certain its an issue with the game itself on the Core

[serene nebula]

Did you hear the audio clip or bug out on your end?

[slate maple]

no i didnt. which was odd

it was coming out fine on my CRT

wait....im reviewing my past broadcast now, im hearing it on both games

[serene nebula]

It’s why I immediately jumped to stream issue. Too many variables in place. However if you can repro it and provide a save state that would be of immense help.

Could be a hardware issue on your end?

[slate maple]

its so weird because its the first time i ever heard it doing that

[serene nebula]

Could be a software quirk or something?

I didn’t play too much of Adventure of Little Ralph or Gunnera Heaven but I never ran into audio clipping myself. But I don’t stream and I only play through HDMI.

[ivory verge]

Guuners Heaven works fine here , no audio issues

[slender junco]

Is PS1 on PSTV considered native. I’m read conflicting opinions if it’s emulation or native due to the chipset

[patent junco]

it is definitely an emulator

complete with cool bugs, I had FF7 glitch out pretty spectacularly a couple times while playing on Vita a while back

[slender junco]

Was it an emulation in PSP? I could have sworn Sony claimed it was shared hardware

https://www.reddit.com/r/vitahacks/comments/61qa9x/how_well_does_the_ps_vita_emulate_psp_games/

Just curious as I know there are some here with real answers. Happy New Year everyone!!!

[visual depot]

PS1 on PSP is emulation. Lol.

[ivory verge]

yeah 100% 🙂

[patent junco]

yeah not sure if you missed it but that thread is talking about PSP on Vita

[visual depot]

It's still emulation.

Adrenaline just runs PSP cfw in vita's official PSP compatibility layer.

Vita supports PSP natively. Adrenaline just unlocks it to run full fw.

It was originally intended for PSP go supported apps but it was capable of full PSP support apparently to my knowledge.

Just didn't have the PSP disc slot haha

[patent junco]

pretty much, although yeah the PS1 emulation on Vita was mostly fine and by extension on PSP, but yeah definitely not perfect

and definitely not native

[visual depot]

So they had PSP fw locked down officially with official firmware but hack efforts unlocked it to run full PSP cfw.

Enabling iso support

Among other things you can do with PSP cfw.

Vita is quite a nice device to have. Big quality library of games spanning two handheld generations and three console generations (PS1 + a lot of PS3/PS2 ports)

[patent junco]

the oled screen on the original models is quite nice too

[visual depot]

Plus tons of homebrew emulators.

And the ability to unlock framerate and/or resolution with overclocking (with genuinely relative ease and safety)

The vita had a lot of thermal overhead. They kept that thing quite cool at stock

The kernel plugin to do it adds a lot of safety measures so you can be sure you're not causing damage.

[patent junco]

didn't it run at some laughably low clock speed at stock, like 300mhz or something?

[visual depot]

Yeah

It was dynamic I believe depending on the application

But it was really low.

The security keys being found blew the console wide open for software modifications beyond anything I've ever seen for a console.

And sadly with no failsafe in the hardware design there was nothing they could do

Another PSP-level security flop. (Even worse tbh. They couldn't block hackers with updates)

Immediately lost support from publishers for fear of piracy

[patent junco]

I feel like the expense and relative niche-ness of it didn't help, plus their weird desire to push western-style games (who bought that thing for a mobile version of uncharted, as fun as it ended up being?)

also the memory card situation, now that I think about it

[visual depot]

The vita's strongest market for sales was Japan.

It was built for their lifestyle.

[patent junco]

that's what I mean, I'm not sure why they bothered with the western games at all, it was never going to be big elsewhere...

[visual depot]

Mobile devices were way more prominent at the time... And having a cell-enabled game console was WAY more practical there than the US

It was just sad they felt it would take on here. The issue is Japan is a lot simpler to engage the cellular market.. the US has a lot more competition with that than Japan from what I understand.

Cell services here use unhealthy competition to prevent devices from working from network to network as well as the other.

It was an impossible market to permeate.

And att was pretty much a bad name for mobile service at the time.

[slender junco]

I really wish someone was still in the handheld game. Switch, SteamDeck and all the clone devices just don’t count

Thank you all for the clarification 👍

[visual depot]

Console developers have lost interest in low-profile handhelds probably because we have phones for that I imagine.... and other low-profile android handhelds....

[slender junco]

I understand that point of view with one exception. Since they are content on having the phone option, why don’t they exploit it?

[visual depot]

Phone gaming market has a large share today.... The Switch kind of shifted the market

[slender junco]

I honestly would much rather play my AAA on the go

Switch was cool for the first year, but it’s a pitiful excuse of a device by todays standards. We can’t rely on Nintendo bringing cutting edge.

[visual depot]

but they are? Nintendo has started to develop unique games for it. Sony has remote play support for mobile devices. Square has done it for well over a decade and a half.

Lots of games release in Japan exclusively too. Far more than you probably realize

Even Capcom releases mobile Mega Man games on Mobile still

Some exclusive new games

[slender junco]

But I have yet to see them make a full fledged game like with Vita/3DS

[visual depot]

I meant a decade. Whoops

Have you looked at some of the Square games on mobile

a number of them even a decade ago were console quality

and a lot of exclusives

[slender junco]

I know what you are saying, but it’s honestly not the same

[visual depot]

I'm not talking ports either

https://nierreincarnation.com/

idk mate

[slender junco]

I want a library and steady stream of games. There is not one game like uncharted was on vita in the mobile realm. That was 10+ years ago. 🥴

Nintendo will never drop a real Mario game outside of their hardware. Sony could have done little big planet or anything by this time. I just think they use the phone excuse as a silly excuse. Nintendo proved that with the switch.

[slender junco]

I know.. that was cool

I also know we can’t change things. It’s just a shame they gave up on a pocketable and fully dedicated ecosystem. Also, piracy can’t be their excuse as mobile security is more or less wide open on android

I would like a DE10 in the Vita. Can you do that for us? 😇

[visual depot]

https://youtu.be/yEsBFr1k3Vk

[slender junco]

That was cool.. but then EA bailed

[visual depot]

but we had some interesting console-level shooters. they were rare, but they were there... the issue is there weren't any "Controller" support at a native level... so developers were forced to develop with the screen buttons in mind

That's mainly what held complex input setup games like shooters back

[slender junco]

Feral makes some decent ports but they can’t do it all alone

Square is in the game as you indicated

[visual depot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_mobile_games

[slender junco]

Monster Hunter Rise was on everything, except mobile. This is what I’m referring to

[visual depot]

Square's been doing native Android games since 2010. And Chaos Rings was console-level at the time for Android

2010

[slender junco]

Like I know it can be done, but if mobile is such the salvation for them, why do they just ignore it?

[visual depot]

Their first Android release.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_mobile_games

But they don't... lol

they have 7-8 games a year at least for iOS and Android

a number of them big projects

People in America just don't like mobile games being console-level as much lol

[slender junco]

Okay. Square is good then.

Where’s Capcom and the others?

The iPad Pro has PLENTY of power for AA games. 🥴

[random gust]

Mobile games blehh.

[visual depot]

Monster Hunter Stories released on Android/iOS this year...

There's a huge following for the Stories side games

[slender junco]

You know what I mean Nerd 🤓 I want to share the optimism but it’s just not the same

[patent junco]

let's be real, it's a combination of business model and controls right? Most mobile games are F2P and crammed full of MTX, and the touch screen is not really suitable for many genres of games

you're either into those kind of genres and you don't mind the controls or MTX, or you're not I guess

[visual depot]

My point is, yes they may not be near the exact same level, but technically handheld consoles like the Switch are more powerful than most Android Phones can output today. Coupled with the fact that, like PC, the extra operating system layer and variety of hardware adds more complexity to optimizing the games to run well on the platform

[visual depot]

not Square's for the most part lol

A lot of their releases are single player one-time-purchases on mobile

some are even multiplayer

Mobile phones still can't run a lot of things well because there's security risks for Google and Apple to allow more intricate access to functions that developers would need to have more freedom with the hardware

[patent junco]

ehh, you have full access to Vulkan and Metal

yeah mobile hardware is passively cooled and will throttle aggressively, and the OS can be pretty aggresive with memory limits, but you can still do a lot

even taking throttling into account the Switch is a lot weaker than your average phone, especially the high end ones

the CPU is particularly tragic, the clock speed is not there. And the memory bandwidth is just not there, even in docked mode

...I probably shouldn't say to much lol

something something NDAs

even if this is all public knowledge by now

[visual depot]

You're assuming this based on specs. The Switch can give all its resources to a game. Android/iOS has to run everything in the background with equal priority

Severely limits its capabilities for the average phone. And most people do not have a flagship

The Operating system on mobile has far more overhead than a handheld gaming console

Also a lot of the processing of mobile phones are dedicated to efficiency and AI cores rather than the GPU cores

[patent junco]

it's true Android phones in the wild are pretty bad, but trust me the high end ones have enough oomph to overcome those downsides we discussed, especially compared to the increasingly old switch hardware

[visual depot]

not enough to run anything the switch can, or even wii u

Lol

Exzap developer of the Wii U emulator can confirm that statement haha

phones are not as powerful for games as you think. Their processing is utilized for other things

And the hardware is designed more with applications in mind than games

[patent junco]

I guess I'm in a little bit of a bubble here in that the stuff I develop has a strict cut off point in terms of hardware age/feature set

[visual depot]

developing for a console is a lot different than PC and mobile

Far different

[patent junco]

I'm ah keenly aware lol

[visual depot]

consoles are always the same hardware. You can optimize for the specific hardware. with mobile and PC, the large variety of hardware means you have to optimize on a more general scale.... reducing performance across the board since you're relying on more generic functions than hardware-specific functions. Plus they have to develop a game with a larger amount of audience in mind. You can't just develop an Android game for flagship phones only. It won't sell enough to make a profit. They have to support average and mid to even mid-low tier phones sometimes depending on the project. On top of that, you have VASTLY more operating system overhead using up the resources while the game is running. Most consoles shut down a lot of exterior processes when you launch a game, or separate the resources to give the game more dedicated performance.

You can't be a game developer on mobile and expect people want their text messages or emails or calls or antivirus or backup software or any other background app they have running to be closed automatically.

And with recent mobile Operating Systems, you literally can't close them because apps are more isolated than with older Android versions from the early 2010's

[patent junco]

It’s the driver bugs that are the real killer on android now that I think about it, don’t get me started on those…

[hidden prism]

I Think this is less true in the last 4 years with more and more low-latency AR needs translating into much-reduced input latency, sensor noise, and general Time To Photon

[visual depot]

@hidden prism Sorry I couldn't take that seriously enough xD

https://youtu.be/SlupvW_VzTM?t=35

watch from time linked xD

I think I need to stop getting offtopic in PSX channel

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/piekiełko-hell-spam-piekło-offtop-gif-18717572

nice offtop is always good 🙂

[patent junco]

we are so far off the rails lol, but it's all fun

[visual depot]

There I segway'd

don't ask me why I had this among the images on my machine. I've had it for well over a decade and I have no idea why

other than it's hilarious

[patent junco]

something on topic - I finally finished Klonoa on the PSX core today. Had been playing it on and off for the last few months now, but it was really fun and seemed to work perfectly (I haven't played it on real hardware, but nothing looked or sounded obviously wrong atleast)

[ivory verge]

I have plans to complete Grandia , but from what I read this game is very long 😄

[random gust]

Most JRPGs are.

It's been said that the Saturn version is superior. Perhaps it is worth waiting.

[ivory verge]

it's not a problem , I just have less time now than 25 years ago 🙂

[patent junco]

I've been meaning to play Chrono Cross for ages now, but yeah, I always find starting a massive jrpg intimidating

[random gust]

From what I recall, Chrono Cross does not have grinding. The level-ups happen when a boss is defeated.

[visual depot]

I've been playing Mega Man Battle Network 3 Randomizer and Spyro Ripto's Rage off and on

Never played Spyro growing up

Never had a PS1 and didn't really have many PS1 games for my PS2

[random gust]

Yes, I never had one either.

[visual depot]

The only PS1 game I fondly remember having and playing really is Mega Man Legends 2

I was more into the N64 and SNES during that era

[random gust]

I mostly played PS1-era JRPGs on my PS2, so once I really get into this core, I think I will try Spyro or Crash. Platformers and collect-a-thons just weren't on my radar back then.

[visual depot]

Spyro is solid on PS1

Avoid it for Crash

Play the N-Sane trilogy for that one

The controls are legitimately so bad that it makes the games unplayable

They heavily improved them in the remake

even die-hard fans say play the remake for crash

[random gust]

I heard that more precision is needed for the jumps or something in the remakes.

[visual depot]

The first game had such floaty controls it was legitimately unfair

[ivory verge]

I had a great time playing Crash at the time, I did not even think about the fact that the control is bad 🙂

[visual depot]

that's what I thought too until I played them vs playing the 1st game on the PS1 back to back. I couldn't get far without wanting to rip my sockets out on the PS1

It was a night and day improvement

They made it playable in the remake

Crash essentially floats forward when you stop on the PS1, instead of stopping on a dime. This actually makes the game easier

he also lags inputs quite a bit

early levels it's not too much of an issue. but later levels will be so aggravating. it's the hardest game in the trilogy

no joke

so yeah, speaking from experience there. play the remake for crash. Spyro was much better of a start for PS1 and I've been enjoying those on the MiSTer core

[random gust]

I do happen to have the remakes on PC, so I will check them out eventually.

I am stubborn about experiencing the original version of things first though.

Here's a question then: Have you tried the Spyro Reignited trilogy?

[hallow plinth]

It isn't, it's only partial emulation the instructions are translated using hardware. There are undocumented special purposes instructions which make the allegrex r4000 behave like the ps1 cpu. The GPU is emulated on the ME however.

[hallow plinth]

The allegrex r4000 hardware is present in Kermit (the Vita SOC), so it's mostly hardware and not emulation. ME and GU are "emulated" (ME libraries are handled on ARM using HLE and GU calls are translated to run on the vita GPU)

[visual depot]

it's still not 100% hardware though, thus emulated which is what I was getting at. I was not aware of the CPU behavior though

[hallow plinth]

In fact 99.9% of ps1 games run on psp hardware without any issue whatsoever because the cpu isn't emulated.

[visual depot]

I am aware. I didn't mean to imply it wasn't hardware for PSP on Vita with "compatibility layer". I use poor terminology sometimes

Apologies

[hallow plinth]

And I put 99.9% loosely because I am not aware of any compatability issues in any game whatsoever

Unlike what you'd witness on the ps1 emulator on ps3 for instance

They even fixed the very tiny portion of ps1 games that didn't run on pre deckard (SPC) PS2

the cd block is emulated btw, obviously

[visual depot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VitaPiracy/comments/tzlhxz/does_anybody_know_any_psp_games_that_do_not_work/

It has a handful of titles that do not work or have to be patched first. Some are kind of obvious due to accessories being needed, but there are others without such need

[hallow plinth]

Yeah that's all on vita though

[patent junco]

Oh was PSP MIPS? I thought it was ARM for some reason

[hallow plinth]

The ME bits on vita don't run the same way they do as on psp

[visual depot]

JA the game makes me sad

[hallow plinth]

Because there is no ME on vita

[visual depot]

(Can't say the name here apparently xD)

[hallow plinth]

GPU calls are also different

Though compatibility should remain high, given the mips cpu is still there

[hallow plinth]

It's mips

[visual depot]

In some ways I wish MIPS had caught on more. From developers' claims I had heard it had more potential than ARM, but sadly by the time it rolled out too many developers were already familiar with ARM... so they stuck with ARM

This is all statements of people I've talked with, which I cannot claim to confirm, obviously....

[hallow plinth]

To be fair, if you don't own a mister a hacked pstv is a pretty good alternative for ps1 over hdmi, even if compatibility isn't 100% per se. But neither is the MiSTer core, strictly speaking. If you want 100% you need a ps1 with ps1digital

Even that isn't full proof. Given the fact that there are 2 different GPU hw revisions on ps1

Though I think the MiSTer core is as close to full compatibility as it gets

[visual depot]

To be honest all the PS1 emulation implementations that Sony has done haven't had too rough of a release. A number of games do work on PS2 and PS3, and the ports to PSP were playable

[patent junco]

Honestly these days unless you are writing a very low level library it’s not going to make much difference as a developer. There’s some funny stuff you can run into with memory ordering in high level code on ARM vs x64 but for most it’s not going to make a difference

[visual depot]

I see.

[hallow plinth]

Even on real ps1 hardware there are quirks introduced by copy or import protection mechanisms like libcrypt or mechacon protections in games like soul reaver or wipeout3 which will the north American versions will not run properly on consoles with scee mechacon (on purpose)

[visual depot]

To give context, the people I got the information from were a small leftover team of devs working on the GCW-Zero: a very forward thinking MIPS-based platform from the early 2010's.... which sadly lost its main developer to the competition because they were overworked on an architecture with vastly less support in the emulator scene

[hallow plinth]

You can even copy the behavior if you set region to europe/pal on mister while running those games

Try running a track using the us Wipeout3 while the system region is set to europe. It'll crash as soon as you cross the start line

[visual depot]

lol

[hallow plinth]

US Soul reaver has random checks for the mechacon region too

[visual depot]

At least you didn't accidentally include a joke character that wasn't intended to be in the game's code at all.. until the developer realized it was accidentally left in when the game went gold

[hallow plinth]

They especially check for the "E" in scee (rather than to make sure games match scea) because most DTL units actually use the scei string in mechacon

This also means the protections never trigger on japanese mechacon

[visual depot]

https://youtu.be/VUl-p8ZNmg0?t=365

[hallow plinth]

That video is 4 years old xD

Great game though

[visual depot]

I know. Still funny tho

[tropic stratus]

we played it here before christmas, was a nice game. Short enough to complete it over one week with 1 hour per day and one of few games in 2d jump/run with a story that i was satisfied with

i still like the wonderswan klonoa more, the puzzle like gameplay without heavy secrets you cannot find without walkthrough made it much more interesting to do 100%

🙂

[wanton crown]

Crash Team Racing is a transcending game

its mechanics have never been matched by any other karting game (not even its own remake on the ps4), besides Super Mario Kart on SNES maybe

[lost coyote]

As someone who had a psp....
nah..
Ignoring the issue of missing buttons, there are some games that were problematic when played on the psp.

[hallow plinth]

which ones?

other than the obvious copy protection stuff and the ones that require specific accessories

[serene nebula]

Check out the two GBA sequels if you haven’t already!

[tropic stratus]

i tried the first, but skipped it after the first few levels...not sure why, but i didn't felt the need to play it further

maybe the reason was that the GBA has so many other games you can enjoy, while wonderswan has not 😅

[serene nebula]

Haha maybe! Also tangent but have you given Tomba on PSX a shot? It’s not a puzzle platformer like Klonoa but it does have puzzles and quests. It’s a fun game to play with kids.

[tropic stratus]

i tried the first level of tomba 2 for so long while that strange bug was still in, i cannot see this game anymore

the artstyle is just not my cup of tee. Even without the bug, it still looks like a mess

[serene nebula]

Ah right the exploding polygons LOL

Yeah I can see that, I think the first one might be a bit better visually (2D sprites) so maybe that one is ok for you?

[tropic stratus]

i think tomba 1 was completly different?

[serene nebula]

It’s similar in overall gameplay style. Number 2 is just fully polygonal and filled with a ton of side quests and more complex platforming. I like both but the first one is more appealing, easier to get into.

[tropic stratus]

yes, this one has aged better. I really like early 3D, but for games with 2D perspective it's rarely of use

[spice oak]

Is it recommended to keep VRR off when using the PSX core? This in on an LG C1. Thanks.

[wooden rose]

Tomba 2 is one of my fav PSX games

The platforming precision is a little rough though

But all the secrets in the game and such, insane

I was really excited to see the speedrun on AGDQ, but then........ Chibi kinda ruined it

Infamous speedrun

[mystic violet]

penguin_yay_one

[wanton crown]

speedrunning is often packed with weirdos like that

I used to speedrun on scene under a different nickname, couldn't hold the community

the cringest part was when someone asked me for an autograph lmao

[serene nebula]

Yeah that is pretty cringe but you should be flattered!

[wanton crown]

nothing to be proud of or flattered of unless you are among the bests in such a niche hobby

[serene nebula]

Well, just trying to be nice. I love the speed run mentality, it’s amazing for QA on games. They tear through environments to find any and all methods to break progression or shortcut areas.

It’s really fun to see a speed runner rip a level apart and then pick and choose what to fix.

[scenic reef]

I reject this framing completely. People should be proud of improving at something they have a goal of improving at regardless of whether or not they are among the best. You gotta start somewhere.

[mystic violet]

Sorry dude - you were just so good that one run I had to ask!

I love some people on the TAS community - but damn there are some who channel their severe OCD in their runs and get too obsessed with it

DwangoAC however will never be cringe

[wooden rose]

Yeah, same, if you can't be proud of progress then I feel it's really easy to fall down the pit of "I'm never good enough". Some pride is necessary to keep going

Being too proud though.. that's often how people stop improving

[cloud steppe]

I use it with the PS1 core

LG CX

[tacit fox]

I have a C1. What does VRR on do?

[jovial jay]

It doesn’t change anything about the hdmi signal other than saying it is VRR. Some TV treat VRR differently than non-VRR. For example I can get a picture on some odd ball frame rates arcades with MiSTer set to VRR.

There is a chance your TV will be more accepting of the PSX’s frame rate/resolution changes with VRR but I didn’t notice a big change with my TV

[tacit fox]

Thank you for the explanation, @jovial jay

[dawn wind]

I wish I remembered how to play Tony Hawk.

[mystic violet]

with a controller badumtssss

[meager parrot]

@tropic stratus I suspect the issue with black screen at times while sound and input are still working, has to do with linux or specifically the scaler perhaps. I encountered the same thing multiple times in the Amiga core tonight while streaming, and the behavior was exactly the same. PSX and Amiga cores have in common very heavy usage % of the FPGA, so I feel this is a likely scenario.

[ivory verge]

it must be connected to some kind of setting, it has never happened to me

I use core daily

[kindred bane]

I never had any black screens with the amiga core and i had some pretty long sessions! Not with the ps1 core either though i am still mainly just sampling games a few mins vs longer sessions.

[wanton crown]

Same never happened to me

[tropic stratus]

While it doesn't solve the problem, it's still good to hear that it's likely not a core bug then

[tacit fox]

It’s related to resolution changes and some TVs not liking it. I think this is an old known issue?

[rancid chasm]

different issue, video itself is still displayed menu, scanlines, shadowmasks but not game/software video

[meager parrot]

Indeed. I can confirm the display is fine because the osd shows, and when I test these it's through two HDMI displays simultaneously and both exhibit the same behavior. Both displays handle odd frequencies and pal/ntsc very well.

[meager parrot]

Length of session does not effect it.

[summer sage]

Seems related to cores that use ddr3

Perhaps that old ddr3 unclean-switch controller bug showing it's head again

[serene nebula]

Could that be related to my mgl issue? Loading PS1 games via mgl with latest unstable gives me a black screen and the core refuses to load games. However loading the core first the games works just fine.

[bitter lintel]

the bonus features of the ps1 mister core outweighs the og hardware

[summer sage]

I dunno what that is but it's probably somehow the PSX code from main not recognising that it should be serving the core when loaded with a MGL

[kindred bane]

Welp no black screen on the amiga. Played 10 matches of ‘swos’ i actually thought it happened when i saved my season. Screen did go black a few secs. But well apart from a whdload warning (stacks low) everything seemed to work. I do play on crt via an io board. Is the issue even present in that scenario?

[tacit fox]

I’ve never seen a black screen on a CRT via analog IO board, only on HDMI

[rare gyro]

https://youtu.be/6r9XNOszqR8

this core really is a gift that keeps on giving

[wooden rose]

I updated my local core build

I see a bunch of new stuff, like "rewinding"

[wooden rose]

Ah, it's not new, nevermind

[wooden rose]

Neat, I managed to build my 4k version without any timing warnings

Maybe I'll have less pixel errors

I did a whole bunch of tweaking to the fitter and synthesis settings

....it looks messed up

[waxen forum]

wait is the debug thread for core debugs

or game debugs

[wooden rose]

Neat, used a different seed and the pixel errors are gone

When I had them they looked like stuck pixels and there would be 20 or so of them

They'd show up in the unscaled image

It was related to HDMI PLL being slightly off

But that is not the case now

Compiling did take 41 minutes

94%...

I dunno what the number is without my scaler changes

[waxen forum]

hmm seem to have hit another bug

Parasite Eve 2, freezes on a white screen after a boss' death cutscene

Ill try again tomorrow, maybe update mister fully

[ivory verge]

Please share a savestate, thanks

[waxen forum]

Careful may be a bit loud

as the boss hates dying alot

Goes right from cutscene to freeze

[tropic stratus]

can confirm, CD goes to endless loop for some reason. fastseek or 1x cd speed will get you through this section

will take a look

[waxen forum]

ah thank ill try fastseek

[tropic stratus]

you can just activate it for 1-2 seconds on the white screen

[waxen forum]

odd it does it though huh

I checked a playthrough on youtube with the mister, seemed fine

[tropic stratus]

could be the game depending on some CD timing that is not correct

[waxen forum]

glad to have found it though

[tropic stratus]

the game does issue a CD pause command while the CD drive is currently seeking and starting to read afterwards

this is what the core currently does in this case:

or in short: nothing

funny that i haven't run into that before

but you must praise squares CD code...it really tries to resolve this problem with endless retries instead of just hanging up like most other games

[tropic stratus]

should be fixed in new testbuild

[ivory verge]

Thanks ! 🙂

[tropic stratus]

the unstable nightlies bot is not fully working? the last build from 31/12 is missing, but it's on the unstable github...let's see if the new one will make it

[ivory verge]

works fine 🙂

[tropic stratus]

yes works again, very good 🙂

[abstract drift]

quick someone retest all other cd bugs everywhere 😛

[devout nacelle]

We'll get right on that .😂

[tropic stratus]

would be surprised if any other open bug is also influenced by this

but the good thing is that this seems to be a really rare case, so there should hopefully be no regression

[serene nebula]

@tropic stratus figured out my issue with loading EU/JP games through mgl files causing the core to black screen and not play any games.

This issue manifests for me when I have SPU RAM select set to SDRAM2.

I am curious if anyone else with dual ram has run into this problem or if it’s a bug unique to me due to some SDRAM timing oddity.

[light current]

Is there a list of widescreen-hack friendly games for PS1? Seems like a thing that should exist, but some lazy searching didn't reveal anything obvious...

[serene nebula]

Not really, but it’s safe to assume any games that are fully polygonal would be friendly.

There are certain exceptions. Crash Bandicoot for example uses aggressive polygonal culling based on the 4:3 view frustum. It’s pretty much on a per-game basis.

It would be useful to start a list in #1052672192900501534

[light current]

I can try to help start it 🙂

on a related note, is there a way to save widescreen hack on a per game setting basis? Just saved on Einhander, than launched G Darius and it started in widescreen as well, which kind of surprised me

[serene nebula]

Nah, it's a core setting. There are ways to create "core variants" through mgl files so you could have a Widescreen PlayStation core and a regular PSX core.

[light current]

Ahh that would be handy, is there a guide/tutorial anywhere for that? Would be nice to have a clear bundle of widescreen games without having to remember them

[serene nebula]

Here's a tutorial I wrote for someone a few months back - #general-banter message

[light current]

Sweet, thank you

[serene nebula]

Happy to help! Please feel free to reach out for anything else.

[empty yacht]

I heard there was a good change today

[tropic stratus]

Buu has awaken from his eternal slumber 😉

[empty yacht]

How long did it take to figure out and what was the motivation?

[tropic stratus]

Kuba found out that it's now working in DuckStation and i just looked what the issue was..pretty boring, but hey, if it works, i'll take it

[empty yacht]

ah, so duckstation is still in development

[tropic stratus]

Stenzek hide this change pretty well, but i still found it

[empty yacht]

did it fix different things in duckstation?

[tropic stratus]

the commit text for duckstation is "RegTest: Port to new host abstractions"

[empty yacht]

haha

[tropic stratus]

obviously he just added this tiny change to some other commit and didn't add a commit text for it

[empty yacht]

almost sounds like a non intented fix

[tropic stratus]

well, i will not complain at all, as this has helped me a ton. Would have never found this with debugging. The issue already happens when the FMV before ends, not the time Buu stops movement

[empty yacht]

so there were two ACKs given messing up all the loading

would they have been queued?

[tropic stratus]

the game issues two softresets, but expects the second one to be just ignored, because it asks too fast after the first

likely this happens: the CD controller executes the first and will drop the second in the process of ... well... resetting

this would be very hard to confirm with a test, because of checking together with a reset is not nice, you loose all state

in any case: if the second reset command issueing also delivers a answer, the game might be confused and thinks that's the answer of the completed reset command(which still takes much longer) and starts doing stuff the CD controller isn't ready to receive

(not sure if that's easy to understand without knowing the cd controller, but at least i tried to describe it 😅 )

[empty yacht]

understandable in its concepts

[ivory verge]

I am glad that this issue is no longer there , it did not give me peace of mind 🤣

[empty yacht]

though it did generate some kind of hope/expectation with every release

[ivory verge]

this was the bug that was probably with us from almost the very beginning

if I remember correctly

[empty yacht]

yes

I added to my personal list on 7th february 2022

not quiet the beginning, but early enough

[ivory verge]

yeah 🙂

[empty yacht]

8 fights vs cpu in and no problems (as expected I guess)

[tropic stratus]

thanks, i only tested until main menu 🙂

[ivory verge]

Ok time for Grandia

maybe i will finish this game by the end of 2023

🙃

[tacit fox]

Will start that once I finish Dragon Warrior VII (maybe within 10 years? 😅 )

[austere otter]

Save Grandia for the Saturn core

[ivory verge]

nah , psx version is ok 🙂

I have a Saturn , I know that the version for it is better, but I do not want to take it all out and plug it in 🤣

[austere otter]

I’m thinking that since PSX has such a huge library, that I would play some games on Saturn. Just to give that core some love too 😊. I to have a Saturn and will wait for the core

[ivory verge]

I wonder why the PSX version doesn't have building shadows, no big deal but yes hehe

[narrow folio]

Just play it twice. That’s what I’m gonna do.

[tropic stratus]

play CD1 on psx now and CD2 on saturn 😛

[austere otter]

I also have it on Switch lol. Waiting for BasketSnake comments praising the graphics of Grandia 😂

[tropic stratus]

Basket is still waiting with SOTN for Saturn

(or 25 years longer)

[austere otter]

Lol you beat me to it, the 25 years part 🤣🤣

[narrow folio]

I’ve only been waiting 15!

[devout nacelle]

I hear DW7 is a really long game

I need to get more into it but I get stuck at the beginning and not sure what to do.

[narrow folio]

Aren’t all the DQ games after 6 all like 100+ hrs?

[rancid anchor]

DW7 was around 90 hours for me, not including the post game stuff

I love the game, but it's long and it feels long

[ivory verge]

I played the 3DS version, but I couldn't finish it, I'll be honest , I got bored

[tacit fox]

Those shards are a PITA to find yeah

[devout nacelle]

It's probably like FF9..it fun once the game opens up if you can bare to get through the opening.

[summer sage]

wow

is there like an "issues left" scoreboard?

17 open issues but not all of them very issue-y

that's really impressive

[tropic stratus]

thank you, i did my best to bring the project there to have time for something new. With alien and DBZ now also gone, some of the more critical things are also gone

[hard laurel]

How about our Friend Virtual Pool 3 with its Audio issues?

[tropic stratus]

yes😛

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-sassy-ugh-duh-eye-roll-gif-15963614

[hard laurel]

Did Dave say a bad word?

[tropic stratus]

haha, all good, don't worry

i somehow have a hard time to motivate myself to put much work into things that give so few reward

[serene nebula]

Anyone else run into this issue?

[tropic stratus]

i can try it tomorrow, still have the mgl file from you

[timber veldt]

Until someone mentions Captain commando 😄

[ivory verge]

Captain Commando mehh , who cares hehe

[shut escarp]

just boot the CPS2 one instead

[ivory verge]

[timber veldt]

It’s a CPS1 game!!

[shut escarp]

same difference lol

[bitter lintel]

where is it? where's my baby?

[tropic stratus]

what happened to you? When i see your name, i usually think of elmo burning, but now i only see this...i'm slightly disappointed!

[ivory verge]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-friend-farewell-so-long-gif-25205750

Farewell basketsnake

[bitter lintel]

i went full weeb

[serene nebula]

He trolled so hard he trolled himself

[ivory verge]

TrollSnake ? 😛

[tacit fox]

FairySnake

[ivory verge]

one thing is certain, the old Snake is gone , nothing will be the same again

https://tenor.com/view/snake-metal-gear-solid-game-gif-13999306

[serene nebula]

I sense a power vacuum, I will make my move

[random gust]

'Sanke'. Has a nice ring to it actually.

[ivory verge]

Sanki 🙂

[random gust]

Even better

[ivory verge]

Sleds in polish

[wanton crown]

Anyone has the 240p test suite flickering on the psx core ? Only happens on main menu, not on sub menus or any other screen.

I'm not using this build of the 240p test suite on real hardware tho

[ivory verge]

Yeah, it's normal

[wanton crown]

On the mister or on real hardware 🤔 ?

The build I'm using on my xstation doesn't show this behavior

[ivory verge]

I.e. this is what happens from what I remember, but I don't know if this is normal 😋

This topic has already been mentioned here many times, but I was not interested in the subject, maybe someone knows something more

[ivory verge]

#psx-chat message

As far as I can see it works ok with real controllers with snac

[wanton crown]

It works fine with a ps5 controller

The main menu is just flickering

I don't really care since the test themselves work without any issue

[tropic stratus]

psx core GPU performance is faster than real psx, because we use completly different memory and the 240p suite depends on the timing, because the drawlist is updated while it still draws

[wanton crown]

I see

Thanks for the explanation

Flickers on main menu and then stops once I enter a submenu

[abstract drift]

yeah same here

its weird 240p test suite is so sensitive

at least its only the menu, all the actual test patterns render fine

[wanton crown]

it was discussed here already it seems https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/comments/uo4ll4/psx_core_does_the_opening_menu_of_the_psx_port_of/

[tropic stratus]

there is nothing to discuss about it, i already researched it. The CPU issues the rendering command but doesn't wait until they are finished to update the display list

commercial games usually don't have this problem, they just have multiple display list, unless you hit a game where some developer wanted to be smart

i cannot fix this properly unless we add a sgram addon board, to mister, which will never happen

a potential successor board could put the 1mbyte of vram internal into the FPGA and have accurate timing for VRAM

i made a whole video on this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMZVp48SMps

it's THE major shortcoming of PSX in mister. Thankfully i haven't yet found a game where this is really a issue

[wanton crown]

I see. Thanks for explaining

[ivory verge]

Striker 1945 😛

[tropic stratus]

striker 1945 has some issue with the mdec, fetching 16(?) pixels less than it should leading to an offset in the data copied from mdec to vram

[ivory verge]

I noticed that when I turn on snac additional glitches appear

in Striker 1945

[pearl shell]

So jumping on what Dave was talking about is our only real major issue the Virtual Pool 3 issue?

[tropic stratus]

oh really? well, maybe it's a timing effect with striker, but i doubt it as i also see it exactly the same in my emulator even when running with "duckstation-timings"

i didn't research striker deeper, as i wasn't able to find a clear point of where it starts to happen

[tropic stratus]

depends on what you call major. If it was SOTN and not virtual pool 3, i would say yes, it's major

currently i think dave mirra is the most critical

[pearl shell]

Hehehe

[pearl shell]

Ohhh yeah this broke again didn't it :S

[tropic stratus]

yes, probably it was never fixed, just random timing change made it not appear

[pearl shell]

Yeah sounds about right, it is good to hear that Buu has awoken though 🙂

@empty yacht now the next test is UB27 code 🙂

[ivory verge]

Looks like here , black stripe

With snac two ports enabled

[tropic stratus]

intresting. Does it improve when turbo is on?

[ivory verge]

I will check

Nope

[tropic stratus]

hmm, i have no idea, but this seems different to the FMV problem

maybe i take a look tomorrow

[ivory verge]

Yes , I just saw this stripe during the fmv , that's why I linked it

No big deal tbh

[tropic stratus]

turbo shifts up the line

[ivory verge]

ok 😄

[tropic stratus]

but it seems to really keep the 2 framebuffers unsynced to drawing forever when the first FMV starts to run while snac is on

maybe the game does measure it's own reference point based on the mdec draw speed or something like this

but it could also indeed be some GPU timing effect 😅

strange that it happens the same time the jumping fmv bug happens, it's very likely somehow related

[ivory verge]

another interesting mystery 😄

[tropic stratus]

even more mystery: if you create a savestate on title screen with the issue present and load it back, it's still there. If you reboot the core and load the savestate, it's gone

so the FMV must trigger something in the core that is persistent over a soft reset, but not saved in a savestate

[wooden rose]

Sounds really odd

[tropic stratus]

which also means, i cannot research it with savestates, only via signaltap 🙈

[wooden rose]

But that is also a hint

If it's not saved in a savestate you can exclude everything involved with them

[tropic stratus]

the jumping FMV bug however is kept in the savestate, only the black bar is not...

[wooden rose]

I wouldn't know where to start, I recently tried to read the core a bit more but I don't quite get it yet

Good luck though

[tropic stratus]

i don't think i will do it now. this can easily cost me several days without any reasonable result

[wooden rose]

Fair enough

[ivory verge]

Nah, I don't think it's worth it

[tacit fox]

If it's not in the savestate, then it's not in the core 🙃

Scaler related maybe? 🤔

[tropic stratus]

there are parts that are not saved in the savestate, as the core makes sure they are "idle" when the core is paused for savestate. Maybe some part is not. As it's a buggy part, that somehow makes sense

could be the video output runs into a bug. This would explain why the game updated a framebuffer while it is currently drawn to the screen. The video output status isn't really saved to savestate, only the current "beam position"

but the video output is one of the worst things to debug with signaltap(some microseconds), as signaltap can only capture a very short time and video output is very slow(>16 ms per frame)