Fake Sales

[pine vine]

Avid, I understand you have to make money. But faking a sale price is illegal in the US and UK under consumer protection laws, and worse, it’s immoral. You are lying to your players about a packs price to fool them into believing they are getting a deal.

You’re better than this. This isn’t the mindset that won you UK app of the year, or sincere fans.

[storm cradle]

This should truly be talked about more, we know the real prices of this, it's not 40% off. Either give us a real sale or stop lying to your consumers.

[distant dome]

BUMP

[scenic crag]

could it be that the cut price, in this case $179, is the price of everything outside of the deal?

like buying 10k gems and 2mil coins by itself is $179.99?

so you're getting a 40% discount by getting the bundle instead

still a horrible way to present it if this is the case

[storm cradle]

That's what they mean, and it's being misrepresented as a deal

[scenic crag]

okay that's what I thought

[pine vine]

Is that what they mean though? I bought that pack yesterday for 99.99 USD. Now it’s 40% off at…99.99 USD

[scenic crag]

I think so

[distant dome]

I did some calculating, and you would buy a 8k pack and 4/5 of the 2500 pack,which comes to around 95$
You can buy 2mil coins with 4000 gems,which comes to around 36$
I'm not in the US, i used the prices in my app and then converted it to us dollar so it might be off

Can someone in the us show the prices on the shop?

Or is it just that gems are cheaper in my country

Are the limlegs and limpics worth 50-ish dollars?

[pine vine]

Wouldn't 40% off with a crossed out 179.99 suggest the pack was 179.99 before?

It says sale, not like 'a total value of'

[distant dome]

Medjed is writing a novel

[nimble shoal]

I'm writing this while eating dinner in some street corner lmfao

[pine vine]

It seems misleading at best, and that's still not a good thing.

[distant dome]

I just noticed nearly everything has that sale thingy on

[flat wing]

I haven't spent a single money on this game ever since I started, but I feel bad for those ppl that spent/will spend on this pack unaware that they're a false ad.

[pine vine]

I have spent...a fair bit And I've never really regretted it, thanks to the community and usually Avid themselves. But this is just...so icky.

[lofty kayak]

I am adding this although I have no knowledge of pack prices. #👋│general-chat message

[halcyon spindle]

You guys should not complain about prices
Obviously Avid has just raise all packs' prices by 40% and let you guys have them for the old prices for a while
As they need the funds for CUE 2.
If you love CUE, just pay up and be grateful

[slender aspen]

so true

[buoyant warren]

Just as a quick update, I checked with the team and it is the combined value of the pack contents if they were bought separately!👍

[scenic crag]

As I thought. However this information should be relayed better. It looks like you’re upping the price and then slashing it down to the original as a “sale”

Specify that it’s the price separate

[lofty kayak]

ah yes, the combined value, cause obviously there is a clear way of calculating what's the price of the coins, gems and cards Can I have the full calculation, what price was added for the 28 limited legendaries for example and why ?

Isnt that still kinda scummy why even make the “original deal” if it was just the combined value of the items

[dusk sail]

guess they should reword sale on it cause a lot of people are wondering

[gusty hearth]

Marking something on sale for 40%off but offering it at the same price it's been the whole time, but not on sale is misleading. I understand that you're trying to say you save 40% on what you purchase had you purchased it the hard way. Clarify it's not on sale and that's your savings or something but I'd suspect most people who do notice this will be majorly turned away and nobody here wants that. Unless the prices are raised and this is a last chance for that price? And if that's the case probably should make that clear. Big fan of cue, I'm a dino boy. Dragon concepts brewing

[violet tapir]

Maybe it'll make sense when it's not on sale and jacked up 40% next week. 😱

[lofty kayak]

[fresh bloom]

This is the current for me on my app

This was the before cause i got does do to trying to show newbie my pack options

[slender aspen]

Reality check

how fitting

[granite heron]

Please relay this message to the rest of the Avid team:
If so, you should specify, that the slashed out price is what it would cost if the contents were purchased separately. Because it doesn't look like it.

[fathom jewel]

Simple enough to put:
"Value of items purchased separately: $44.99"

[fresh bloom]

Doesn't look like it cause is not, that is misleading.
The representation of what they are trying to do should never have said X % Off

It should have said Valued @ % or as above me suggested

[granite heron]

Exactly.

I hope the entire Avid team reads this.

[fresh bloom]

Sadly they could have even said 40% Bonus

[granite heron]

Either way Avid has pulled a Clash Royale Dev move RN 😭

[fresh bloom]

Here are some examples from other mobile game that wanted to show intention of the independent value of the goods

[fresh bloom]

Honestly looking in to see to whom this gets reported to. Cause they were made aware this morning 8:51 while everyone was in office.

Nothing was changed.

Looking for a friend

[granite heron]

Hopefully they do change it. Because if the main message of the post is correct, they could potentially get in trouble with like 2 governments, for violating consumer protection laws

[fresh bloom]

Well only if they are sued... it appears that this cases are get sued dependent

Meaning that just cause a is reported or government official knows, a case must be brought up regarding it.

[fresh bloom]

Fruxto goes on vacation and the game goes crazy

[granite heron]

This is what happens when someone goes on vacation from CUE

Which is why I'm never going on vacation.
I've left for mere minutes and things fall into chaos. So I'd hate to know what happens if I were to leave for several days

[slender aspen]

why does veterans leaving align with the game becoming scummier

[fresh bloom]

People who can remember the days that you were honest begone.

So the expectation to be that person

Melts away

[fresh bloom]

Imagine you are a hero loved by many and your party, slowly your team members die or retire do to trying to live right.

They were the one who encouraged you to toil with them, and now that you stand alone you realize, i got nothing holding me back

[slender aspen]

I remember

[fresh bloom]

Well we arent the audience

Anymore

It feels like this

[slender aspen]

Avid notice us!!!!!!!!

[fresh bloom]

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Drop this, i feel this thread is more accusations then it is how to fix it.

Which is fair

It can be seen as bad and it should be address

But the rule of the suggestion thread arent fix this but give way to how to fix it too

[unreal haven]

Avid is just becoming a money hungry company, kind of sad

[dark garnet]

Having never spent a penny on this game, can’t say I noticed the difference until I saw this post

[fresh bloom]

I would like to hold hope, assume they have a new guy who worked on those fake mobile game apps or they outsources some of their work to focus on pressing needs of their small studio

[dark garnet]

I would cope that it was just visual bug and that they applied that 40% off thing to all the packs and instead of just certain packs, but after reading up I saw Joe said it was sort of intentional

[fresh bloom]

That's the take , that what they gave for a reason doesn't qualify.

As it never was 40% off.

It has a value of 140%
Which is what they wanted to share and what their reason is.

40% off means original product price has been discounted, which isn't true.

As that label never really existed on the pack in the first place.

And that label cannot be true even if the sum of the goods would be 40% more.

Off means is been discounted... that didnt happen cause the "original" prize was never on the table

[granite heron]

Avid made a huge oopsies RN 💀

[buoyant warren]

I will make sure the messages get passed on! Apologies if my message felt pretty final, I wanted to get some clarity out there!

[granite heron]

That's fine. You had nothing to do with it I assume. It's the members higher up right?

[fresh bloom]

Hey you got replied to that's good

[granite heron]

Yes. Joe is the GOAT. We love Joe

[fresh bloom]

Give it 1 to 3 business day

[lofty kayak]

would really like to see where the 40% off is coming from. My calculations tell me that the inflated prices just can't correspond to the pack contents "real" price which would be weird

[slender aspen]

I love this game so much please don’t go down this path

[fair adder]

I mean its not immoral you get nothing of actual value so its up to you to decide wheter or not its worth it

[pine vine]

The immoral part is pretending it’s a sale, not the pricing

[grand compass]

Also, where did they get the dollar value for anything besides gems?

You can't buy limlegs seperately for irl money

[remote stag]

Literally almost bought the 100$ pack thinking it was a "sale" just to realize right before paying it was the same price

[lucid junco]

You kinda can now

[grand compass]

But that also includes gems tho right?

[remote stag]

That's the 1$ pack for 1 limleg + 50 gems

[remote stag]

Yeah so 1 limleg should be a bit less than 1 buck then

[fair adder]

You shouldnt buy anything in any game or trade just bc someone said it would be worth more otherwise

[remote stag]

If its advertised that a 100$ pack is 40% off then it misleads the user. And it's not just anyone saying it. It literally gave me a pop-up from the game saying "profit from this offer" or smth like that 😔

[grand compass]

And what about the limpics?

And on top of that, they kinda lie straight to your face.
The X% off is not even the true discount

[remote stag]

No accurate way of quantifying it. But we now know that any limited card of any rarity is worth less than 1$ per card

[remote stag]

Fax, math ain't mathing

[grand compass]

I'd like for them to atleast show the math of how it combined.

Like:
10000 gems (X$)
2mil coins (X$)
28 limlegs (X$)
8 limpics (X$)

Combined (total without discount )
Bundle price (total with discount)

[remote stag]

We surely can do the math for the gems and coins and do X and Y variables within a range for the limlegs and limpics

[grand compass]

True, but I don't think everyone wants to do a math equation to figure out why it's so expensive

And on top of that, if they give a "discount" surely they know their own prices right? Why won't they just let the players know?

[remote stag]

I think someone just got greedy and did some scummy marketing tactics 😪

[grand compass]

Probably, but I'd call it fake marketing instead of marketing tactics

[remote stag]

All I know is I ain't spending on this game anymore till they address this. Feels immoral and dirty. Almost like they wanna take advantage of the player base

[wooden sand]

i just saw what happened and i have to say avid became way too greedy its literally the same exact price but "discounted"

lol

this game bout to be dead soon

[autumn hazel]

Kinda sucks that I just spent 20 bucks on this game, maybe I want a refund ||but lemme keep the gems though ||

[wooden sand]

ive spend a lot of money

more than what i want to admit

never again

this whole thing should be illegal

[fresh bloom]

1st image is are "fake sales" illegal
2nd image is more info on that
3rd image is why is that a standard
4th image is what qualifies as fake sales
5th image is what qualifies as deceptive pricing

Even if we aren't talking about it and saying is immoral the FTC standard and Law says otherwise.

I am not gonna get on how they expound on this in UK, but since i am USA audience i do fall on their jurisdiction.

Just the fact 1st image is a thing
2nd and 3rd image show this deal and offer was never the case... maybe i am missing something special cause is a bundle or special deal but.

Image 2 is from June 20, 2024
Image 3 is from June 3, 2024

Maybe i am wrong but in regarding to this, the original price of 179.99 was Never offered

We have always had 99.99

But i could be wrong since it is a bundle deal.

[pine vine]

It has been 99.99 since its release, I have purchased it more than once

[fresh bloom]

Why? 95% of legendary are quesitonable at best if they are playable

Gems and coin values has been murder with the new pack system burning up resources as you get less new and more redundancy

8 epics... come on... come on....

I can see maybe a new person finding value in this pack

[pine vine]

Because I set aside $200 a week for gaming/hobby money and haven’t been buying a lot of other games on steam or anything

I am absolutely not good with money

[fresh bloom]

Take that money and save it, instead of that pack.

Heck take a vacation like Fruxto did.

[pine vine]

Point is, I can assure you the pack price hasn’t changed

[fresh bloom]

Nah now we gotta talk about bad spending habits

You can't be budgetting and then saying well i haven't spent my budget

So i am spend it.

The point of budgeting is to help save by reducing spending and adjusting as spending is reduced.

[pine vine]

Id be happy to talk about it in one of our other servers, but lets not derail this thread with my horrible spending habits

[fresh bloom]

Considering this morning i woke up to this

After making this thread
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I am just say, let them do it and until someone pick up an easy W.

[fresh bloom]

Just leaving this here from this thread
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[violet tapir]

Preddi for the win! 🥳