#Chaoyangsaurus Buff, and why I believe that this change will be beneficial.

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haughty kestrel
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Chaoyangsaurus has always looked to be a very interesting card (at least to me). Its current ability provides an until played power buff for all Ceratopsian cards that were released before it, with the exception of Protoceratops. I've almost never seen this card played in Herbivores, except on very few occasions, as there are better options available for use within the Herbivores deck archetype, and the current ability of this card forces in less useful cards compared to other Herbivore cards that serve as better fillers.

I believe that by changing its ability to buff all Ceratopsian cards, whether in game or ones released in the future, would be a change that would be beneficial for this card, as well as the Herbivores collection in general. This can be done by adding a "Ceratopsian" tag to all present Ceratopsian cards, as well as the ones released in the future.

In my humble opinion, this change would:

  1. Potentially open up Ceratopsians as a viable Herbivore deck alternative. With Paleo having the least collections out of all current albums, I believe that this change would encourage more diversity.

  2. Make Herbivores a relatively newbie friendly deck. The current Ceratopsian cards are mostly non-limited, and thus would not be excessively hard to trade for for newer players.

  3. Provide synergies with current Ceratopsian cards that seem to have potential but are never actually used. I am specifically referring to Mercuriceratops and Psittacosaurus.

  4. This change would likely not have any impact on the current mono-Paleo archetype, since there are better filler options for the deck compared to Ceratopsian cards

Please feel free to leave comments or opinions 🙏 and leave a light bulb if you like this suggestion. Thanks! 🙂

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Sample Ceratopsian deck if this change is implemented.

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Current Ceratopsians:

Centrosaurus
Hellboy, the Regaliceratops
Chaoyangsaurus
Psittacosaurus
Mercuriceratops
Einiosaurus
Diabloceratops
Triceratops
Styracosaurus
Protoceratops

Thanks to @chrome raft for the help with compiling this.

dim hatch
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this looks pretty cool tbh t_doge i support

outer dragon
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support

haughty kestrel
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I forgot to mention that I also believe that this change would not only diversify Herbivore deck variety, but bring about some other benefits that may not necessarily be gameplay related as well.

By adding a tag like Ceratopsian, I believe that this would also serve an educational purpose by introducing players, especially those not familiar with the topic of Paleontology, to Ceratopsian dinosaurs. While Triceratops is extremely well known by most, there may be some that players did not necessarily know were Ceratopsian, because they lack the distinctive horns of Triceratops.

This benefit is not limited to Ceratopsians (Tags like Tyrannosaurids, Spinosaurids, Hadrosaurids and Oviraptorids are some other interesting ones that could potentially be looked at in my opinion). Paleontology as an album has so much potential for tags that can also serve the purpose of introducing the world of Paleontology to the players of CUE while still contributing positively to the deck variety within its own album, which is a benefit due to the small number of collections.

chrome raft
haughty kestrel
# chrome raft i think this would be more "realistic?" if they released paleo cards in similar ...

I completely agree, and that's what I hope will happen, where Paleo cards will be released in similar amounts to other albums. Currently it just so happens that there are lots of Ceratopsians available in game.

I think that the tags don't necessarily have to enable new deck archetypes immediately, but maybe help it branch out into other types of decks, while more cards that fulfil the tag are released which will likely eventually result in a new deck archetype.

For example, something like "if your deck contains exactly a certain number of tag name cards, something happens".

This allows Paleo to branch out into other already existing deck archetypes (or at least provide a reason to use the lesser used tag eligible cards), and provides an alternative to whatever cards are most used in that archetype. This will provide the card which utilizes the tag to provide buffs to other cards fulfilling the tag with some playability for the moment while more cards which fulfil the tag are released, expanding player options and may result in a new deck archetype, like what I envision with Ceratopsians.

haughty kestrel
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I think something like the Riojavenatrix (Custom card) posted in #1251925782381727915 message
serves as a good example.

Assuming that it was an actual card in the game, it provides players with a reason to use the current Spinosaurid cards, especially those with very little usage (Irritator), in other decks, while more Spinosaurid cards may be released in the future to provide an alternative to how Spinosaurids are played through Riojavenatrix and even become its own deck archetype when sufficient tagged cards are released.

chrome raft
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with the new baryonyx buff, the combo with Spinosaurus, Oxalaia, Baryonyx, Riojavenatrix and Protathlitis (another custom card i created), or any other Spinosaurid could be very good

tacit night
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Which one is Protathlitis

chrome raft
tacit night
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Oh yeah that funny guy

haughty kestrel
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Proposed ability change:

Horned Faces

return Your Ceratopsian cards, wherever they are, gain +20 power until played.

haughty kestrel
sullen girder
chrome raft
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Spinosaurus and his friends t_doge

chrome raft
sullen girder
chrome raft
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Yeah, in prota's image i just put the ones in game and the ones i have made in that time

haughty kestrel
haughty kestrel
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Another Ceratopsian added interesting

More reason to enable Ceratopsians as a deck archetype 👍

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chrome raft
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oh this is very nice

analog goblet
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If only it was good

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I mean chaoyangsaurus

haughty kestrel
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Current Ceratopsians:

Centrosaurus
Hellboy, the Regaliceratops
Chaoyangsaurus
Psittacosaurus
Mercuriceratops
Einiosaurus
Diabloceratops
Triceratops
Styracosaurus
Protoceratops
Pentaceratops

haughty kestrel
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Revised Sample Chaos Ceratopsians Deck

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karmic spoke
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It would be better if the buff went to the Herbivore collection instead of creating a new archetype. That makes it much more comprehensive, and Herbivores stop being just for fun and become a possible viable deck.

haughty kestrel
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Fair, but my intention was more on playable deck diversity and less on playable deck viability at high elos.

Herbivores, while not considered very competitively viable at the highest levels of play, is still a playable deck in its own right. While yes, it could perhaps be lent a hand to make it more viable in higher elos, there are a lot more opportunities to do so with the release of other cards.

If the buff went to Herbivores, Herbivores would be more viable, but every Herbivore deck would more or less be built the same in mid - higher elos.

Making Ceratopsians a separate deck Archetype means not all Herbivores decks you play against will be the same, meaning more diversity in the collection (Not as applicable in the highest of elos, but mid-high(ish) elos could potentially see this effect)

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It also increases the deck options for newer players and gives almost obsolete cards like Triceratops, which sees almost no play at all past the newbie stage, some justification to be used in slightly higher levels of play.

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Basically more ways/options to play/build Herbivores instead of just focusing on a generic Herbivore buff

Also trying to keep the reworked card true to its card identity. Chaoyangsaurus was designed to be a niche card, as seen from its current ability only buffing Ceratopsians released before it (exception of Protoceratops) instead of being a generic Herbivore buffer.

The main idea is to give almost useless cards a reason to be used. You will almost never see Triceratops being used in a Herbivore deck unless its a very new player. Branching out into a new Archetype means less competition for Triceratops with other Herbivore cards, allowing it to see usage. Chaoyangsaurus becoming a Herbivore buffer would mean that Chaoyangsaurus would see play in Herbivores decks, but the other cards (The Ceratopsians) are left in the dust.

hard owl
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It’s quite meh atm, not great and def needs a buff but it’s a great fit into dadaism herbivores

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haughty kestrel
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Cool deck!

If Chaoyangasurus buffed Ceratopsians:

Horned Faces

return Your Ceratopsian cards, wherever they are, gain +20 power until played.

Would mean that cards like Pentaceratops, Einiosaurus, and itself gets the buff. Could also replace Pachycephalosaurus with Protoceratops (Another Ceratopsian) to take advantage of this proposed ability change.

hard owl
remote yacht
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There's 25 people who want this avid t_doge

outer dragon
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Balance Patch soon

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manifesting the Chaoyangsaurus

haughty kestrel
remote yacht
haughty kestrel
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just pulled this off with a variant of your Dadaism Ceratopsians @hard owl

not against a very optimised deck though

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haughty kestrel
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Dadaism Ceratopsians variant I used

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The power is extremely concentrated on the Paleo so the weak cards have to be cycled to 2 and 4

Also the deck I played against was an unoptimised version of "Eggs"

haughty kestrel
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Recap of Proposed Change:

Horned Faces

return Your Ceratopsian cards, wherever they are, gain +20 power until played.

Current Ceratopsians (Eligible for the Tag - Sorted by Rarity):

Legendary:

  1. Centrosaurus
  2. Psittacosaurus
  3. Mercuriceratops

Epic:

  1. Hellboy, The Regaliceratops
  2. Chaoyangsaurus
  3. Einiosaurus
  4. Pentaceratops

Rare:

  1. Diabloceratops

Common:

  1. Triceratops
  2. Styracosaurus
  3. Protoceratops
chrome raft
haughty kestrel
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Recap of Proposed Change (Update):

Horned Faces

return Your Ceratopsian cards, wherever they are, gain +20 power until played.

Current Ceratopsians (Eligible for the Tag - Sorted by Rarity):

Legendary:

  1. Centrosaurus
  2. Psittacosaurus
  3. Mercuriceratops

Epic:

  1. Hellboy, The Regaliceratops
  2. Chaoyangsaurus
  3. Einiosaurus
  4. Pentaceratops
  5. Aquilops

Rare:

  1. Diabloceratops

Common:

  1. Triceratops
  2. Styracosaurus
  3. Protoceratops

I forgot to add Aquilops t_doge

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So this means the total number of current Ceratopsians in game is 12.

outer dragon
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what are the odds this will come to pass on monday t_doge

haughty kestrel
outer dragon
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tbh

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if even just one suggestion thread buff makes it that’s a massive W for everyone

haughty kestrel
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wld honestly be amazing if this released with a Ceratopsian card buff (Centrosaurus interesting)

haughty kestrel
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Didn't make it into July's balance patch sadge

August maybe? interesting

tacit night
haughty kestrel
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🙏

haughty kestrel
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mann :[

haughty kestrel
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hopefully October

sullen girder
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idk if they would buff paleo

remote yacht
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This popped up again for me for some reason

outer dragon
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same

gleaming forge
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same

supple cradle
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same

chrome raft
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same