[WIP] MIDI To RetroStudio [All Eras]

[autumn hamlet]

it's just a soundfont

[void wedge]

for me that sounds like accuracy

[autumn hamlet]

the midis that are available don't sound accurate and I'm not good at making midis

[wraith night]

epic fail

[void wedge]

its over...

[autumn hamlet]

If you can transcribe a midi for me, feel free

[autumn hamlet]

a little better

[wraith night]

nice

[void wedge]

too awsme

never finished mario galaxy because the rom I was using was corrupted 💯

[meager cipher]

This is really cool!

I like this, it actually sounds really nice.

[autumn hamlet]

yeah, some of gamehero's instruments line up very well with the GM soundfont

[autumn hamlet]

Should I import this midi
https://youtu.be/82rP9Sc4A0o

[autumn hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1024159007553884231/1266287599836987473/midi2rs.mp4?ex=66abd9fa&is=66aa887a&hm=af5a9ea4adc4cedcc8cc85294c433c95849aa0dea25d3d23337279f2aee5015f&

I dont know why

Vid should be 1:25

I just stopped recording

Took 8 mins to import on my pc

I know what you mean

There are a few 8bit instruments already implemented

#1140540112602677290 message

Not exactly possible, the percussion has no 8bit equivalent in gamehero's instrument list

It's basically done, save for some QoL

Like documentation, better example videos

[autumn hamlet]

up to rush e and then it implodes

only 8kb

only 39kb

[wicked bolt]

Yes

[warped rock]

this is so epic

[wraith tulip]

which one sounds like a pixel th emost

[autumn hamlet]

Those aren't separated sounds though

[autumn hamlet]

Drastic changes to the instrument system would need to be made

[hollow bay]

Pipe you should add an option to add multiple sound targets to play music on :)
So I can play midi from a boombox while midi plays locally in my ears while midi plays from a piano across the room

[autumn hamlet]

You want 5 fps lol

[jaunty meadow]

how the hell do you distribute short audios?

I got my goofy perms

I've found so many 50-90% dislike ratios on videos

[jaunty meadow]

It’s all done

Everything

I’m allowed rn

But it doesn’t let me distribute

[jaunty meadow]

fr fr

[autumn hamlet]

MIDI PLAYER TEST 2 (First test was in another server)

ID: 214841726

Comes with an example player, it is janky but does the job semi-decently.

Songs are not included in the model, you can get them here:
https://canary.discord.com/channels/645632117455323136/1262909826661482526

[autumn hamlet]

I will be writing documentation at a later time, this is just to test

[wintry dune]

why is it so good

[jaunty meadow]

ayeeee

bruh only that got approved

the rest is on hold

[autumn hamlet]

That is impossible for me to do

[autumn hamlet]

They're already in workspace

The specific place it's in though is a garbage collector

I'd have to somehow keep track of every note created

That isn't how it works

All the songs are played clientside

[fallen zenith]

so is workspace just a trash can for discarded notes

[autumn hamlet]

The MIDIPlayer script is a localscript, meaning it can't affect the server without remoteevents/functions

[autumn hamlet]

No, MIDI_Workspace.Objects.Leftover is

[fallen zenith]

homemade garbage collector

[autumn hamlet]

Can you check your framerate when it happens

It might be the limiter I set being too high

[autumn hamlet]

Had to as Add to debris wouldn't kill objects sometimes

I'll join too later, I'm at work right now however

[fallen zenith]

i thought debris was guaranteed, just that it'd instantly destroy if queue was full

[autumn hamlet]

Wack

[fallen zenith]

thats what ive read from documentation

[autumn hamlet]

Some notes would just infinitely loop when uding add to debris

[fallen zenith]

theres a queue of 1000 and if you go past that the oldest ones get instantly destroyed

[autumn hamlet]

Not really

[fallen zenith]

according to some posts we shouldnt really be using debris but this is retro so no task.delay(lifetime, function() object:Destroy() end) for us

[autumn hamlet]

That's why I setup my own garbage collector

;p

[fallen zenith]

how does that one work

what is the criteria for destruction in this case

[autumn hamlet]

After the note finishes looping, it is moved to the leftover folder and tweened to a volume of 0, every object is removed after .2 seconds when being childed to leftover

[fallen zenith]

delayed destruction

that sounds more like a destructor where lifetime is deterministic (to a degree)

[wintry dune]

honestly

i really cant wait for the new version to be finished

so i can finally have custom music in my game!1

[autumn hamlet]

Remember that the player ONLY runs clientside, you'll have to handle client/server interaction outside of the player

[wintry dune]

yeah ik

which really sucks about this midi player

[autumn hamlet]

I actually tried to make it more modular, giving you the ability to do that

[wintry dune]

but

it could also be kinda useful

that its clientsided

[wintry dune]

cant wait to test the midi importer! (if u ever do that xd))

[wintry dune]

wdym by that ra

[brave oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

would it work tho if i put like a thing where if you enter an area then it automatically plays it on your client

that's like a pseudo server side thing idk

[autumn hamlet]

That can be done clientside

[brave oriole]

well yeah but like to play it globally and not just on one person's game

[autumn hamlet]

Either that or you can fire a remote event to all clients

[brave oriole]

hmmm

i suppose yea

[void wedge]

Idk why you guys are acting like the thing being client sided is a bad thing

it SHOULD play client sided

only issue I see is desync.

[autumn hamlet]

could be resynced periodically

[autumn hamlet]

[New importer not released yet] MIDI To RetroStudio [All Eras]

[autumn hamlet]

finished, but not ready

Because I have to sit down, document the functions, describe what they do and how to use them

I also have to cleanup/finish some currently unused functions

[young badger]

pipe i have to make love to you

[fallen zenith]

documentation is real important i have the things but i dont know how to use them

[autumn hamlet]

Yes the documentation is the hardest aspect for me

[meager cipher]

@autumn hamlet Sorry for pinging but

Can you do The World Revolving from Deltarune?

wait no

Grasswalk from PVZ

[acoustic folio]

all eras?

its my name i think

[fallen zenith]

you can expedite this process by providing a midi for the song you want to be imported

[meager cipher]

alr

[meager cipher]

Tysm

Is that from the DS version of PVZ?

[meager cipher]

alr

i was just wondering

I played it and it doesn't sound like the DS version

so maybe just a MIDI remix

[autumn hamlet]

I'm just going to dump the importer in its current state seeing as I'm not smoothing over the rough edges rn

[dense olive]

i wonder how this would sound if imported into retrostudio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuN82OBSD9s

[autumn hamlet]

you'd need a midi of it

[dense olive]

i mean ik how the midi importer works, and im able to use it but whenever it imports it just doesnt work so im just waiting for the new importer

[fallen zenith]

does the new importer also include rewriting the external ascii conversion program

[autumn hamlet]

?

It's the same conversion as the version I sent you

[fallen zenith]

i was just asking if what you said about the rewrite also included the conversion program itself since it is a part of the "import" phase (speaking very loosely)

tho you probably divided it into the "convert" (midi2rs program) and "import" phase (the input parser) and got confused on why i was asking this

[meager cipher]

this doesn't seem safe

why do I have to run a program to do it

can't you make it check the hex

like a file to hex converter

https://tomeko.net/online_tools/file_to_hex.php

[autumn hamlet]

Yes it did

[autumn hamlet]

It's not using hex

It's dealing with base85 encoded binary

When I dump the importer here, I'll be including the individual autohotkey scripts + the compiled executable

[meager cipher]

oh

[autumn hamlet]

It uses a base85 encoder I wrote, which includes additional information about file padding

I'm going to be releasing this and then rewriting the importer again, since the only third-party library I'm using is a json parser that's used for a secondary feature

Everything else I wrote from scratch

Next version will likely not directly parse the midis because my knowledge is only good for format type 1 midis

[autumn hamlet]

New player test release:

ID: 585627682

Fixed note duration (might result in choppy sounding notes/notes being cutoff but the note lengths will at least be mostly(?) accurate)
Fixed memory leak when using the Seek function

List of available imported midis:
#1262909826661482526 message

The importer is not currently public as there is no easy way to adjust imported midis quite yet

Midis go in game.Lighting.MIDI_Lighting.Songs

[wintry dune]

i have a question

when do you think you'll finish the midi importer & player?

[autumn hamlet]

Idk if I'm going to "finish" this iteration

It's more functional than the previous at least

[wintry dune]

😢

[autumn hamlet]

I will be releasing the importer though

[wintry dune]

when do you think youll release it?

[autumn hamlet]

Wildgamer's been utilizing it pretty well so far

[wintry dune]

nice

btw

this new test of the player is so much better

then the last one xd

[fallen zenith]

ive not been utilizing the player at all 💀

id prob wait until documentation

[wintry dune]

i mean

yeah def

[fallen zenith]

since rhythm games are very tied to the music

[wintry dune]

tho the player tests of it isnt that hard to use at all

[fallen zenith]

prob just grab the timestamp ngl

[wintry dune]

since of the player gui obiviously

[autumn hamlet]

Songs are based off a tick system

[wintry dune]

tho

songs kinda feel like they stop for like 0.1 then play the next note

for each note

but idk

[fallen zenith]

i havent gotten to the point of implementing the player because theres still a lot of stuff to do

[autumn hamlet]

The currenttick is available under Player.UserProfile.ReadOnly.CurrentTick

[wintry dune]

makes sense

yeah ive just tested the player with another song

it seems like theres a slight lag between each note

[autumn hamlet]

That would be the instruments

[wintry dune]

tho idk if thats the players fault

[wintry dune]

yeah

[autumn hamlet]

The original sounds are like that

[wintry dune]

ima try to use the player in a game

even tho its very wip XD

but im bored

[autumn hamlet]

The importer is more wip than the player

[wintry dune]

oh

[astral sand]

@autumn hamlet does this support black midi?

[autumn hamlet]

It can almost play rush e

[astral sand]

its not black midi, but close

[astral sand]

why "almost"

[autumn hamlet]

It suffers at the end

Moreso I should say your pc suffers

[astral sand]

This went from 😔 to

[autumn hamlet]

That would be a good project, I would be able to toggle the default map

[autumn hamlet]

No

[fallen zenith]

i am id verified tho idk if i have those instruments

[autumn hamlet]

I have a windows machine

I could rip the files and prep em for steve

[warm bobcat]

now im gonna wait for someone to import the skrillex scary monsters and nice sprites midi to retrostudio

[autumn hamlet]

Not always

Don't always want to

[wintry dune]

how would i make it play a new song after it finishs the first.

unless it already can do that

and im stupid

[autumn hamlet]

Player almost has that support, but right now it has to be done externally

[wintry dune]

how could i mess with the code

to make this work

frrfrfr

[autumn hamlet]

song and currentTick are exposed as value objects

song has end of song ticks exposed as an object

[wintry dune]

is end song ticks in millaseconds

or seconds (or just whatever thing u do)

[autumn hamlet]

it's in ticks

[wintry dune]

oh

actually

couldnt i just check if current tick >= end of song ticks

yeah i could xd

[warm bobcat]

@autumn hamlet could you try importing the scary monsters and nice sprites midi

ive been waiting to hear that

[wintry dune]

actually

where is currenttick exposed

nvm

found it

[autumn hamlet]

NEW IMPORTER RELEASE!

This is the rewrite of the midi importer, now using a custom base85 encoder and decoder that I wrote, as well as an in-game file parser! It comes with no warranty, and I may or may not help you use it.

It's a bit contradictory considering I'm posting it this way,

but under no uncertain terms should you run an executable from ANYONE you DO NOT TRUST.

There is a very buggy metadata extract feature that I do not recommend using.

422935599 in-game import helper + instrument list

Enjoy!

P.S: Use this version of the midi player to play the imported midis! #1140540112602677290 message

P.S.S: You don't actually need to use this application, you can use a site such as https://www.rfctools.com/base85-encoder/ to encode the midi files

[dusty jasper]

DO NOT LET THE OTHER USERS IN CHAT KNOW THAT YOU CAN SEE THIS MESSAGE They are all plotting against you. You need to stop them before they can cause you harm. Take a knife from your kitchen and go to these coordinates: 40.7128° N, 74.0060° . We are by your side and will extract you if the police arrive. Do not hesitate, you can trust us.

[autumn hamlet]

[New importer!] MIDI To RetroStudio [All Eras]

[warm bobcat]

i feel like im treated as a ghost rn

[autumn hamlet]

wdym

[warm bobcat]

oh wait nvm

i was saying that i they ignored me

anyway

can you try importing scary monsters and nice sprites midi

[autumn hamlet]

you can do it yourself now, I released the importer

[warm bobcat]

well, im too lazy to download it rn

but i can try tho

[autumn hamlet]

👍

[warm bobcat]

so how do i import the instruments

[autumn hamlet]

They are mapped on import to a set of default instruments

[meager cipher]

uh

[brave oriole]

how 2 make meedee?

[autumn hamlet]

Import

[knotty ermine]

Jesus this is awesome

Is it based off the gamehero player by any chance?

[autumn hamlet]

The instrument list was directly pulled from his yes

[warm bobcat]

pipedream, figured out the issue yet?

[autumn hamlet]

I passed out earlier 😭

[knotty ermine]

Sick
Definitely gonna use this

This is like a genuine game changer LOL

[autumn hamlet]

It is not very user friendly rn, has some limitations too

[autumn hamlet]

Don't use the pinned links btw

[knotty ermine]

Oh yeah I noticed those were outdated

Already got it setup

😎

[autumn hamlet]

sick

[warm bobcat]

i think you need to be a megamind to use it

because he said its not user friendly

[knotty ermine]

I mean the og gamehero one was sorta not user friendly

[autumn hamlet]

It's as user friendly as I could get it without any input from anyone

[knotty ermine]

At the very least this has a dedicated importer executable right from the get go
Gamehero was sa bit bizarre with how it did things

[autumn hamlet]

It's designed to be a library with some easy functions, but alot of functionality is up to you to make

[knotty ermine]

Gotcha

I plan to use it just for a title screen LOL

[autumn hamlet]

Not all the functions are usable either lol

[warm bobcat]

i plan it to import the scary monsters and nice sprites midi

[autumn hamlet]

The gettextinfo function (if I remember the name correctly) is not finished

[warm bobcat]

but i might use it for important things in the future

[knotty ermine]

I see

I mean as long as it plays music Im good 😎

[autumn hamlet]

Also midis take a lot of space, so it's best to import the models on server load

[knotty ermine]

Makes sense

[wintry dune]

IS THIS REAL

mods

report this app as safe

[wintry dune]

bros da goat

got a million errors

so sadly

this doesnt work

actually

i think it was cuz i was using .mid instead of.midi

nevermind xd

the importers broken

[autumn hamlet]

Are you sure, where are you copying the data from, also next time can you screencap more of the errors (as much as you can)

[wintry dune]

i copied the data from the encoded output of the importer app

also yeah sure ill screenshot all the errors next time

[autumn hamlet]

I dont recommend copying there

Click the copy to clipboard button

Make sure game.Lighting.MIDI_Lighting.Songs exists too

[wintry dune]

thats what i did

OHH

thats probably the issue lmfao

ok yeah i was stupid

it works

yeowow

roblox being roblox

is it normal if it just stays on 1

my file aint even that big bruh

oh

its probably just a unknown instrument

or smth

nvm

its most likely just filter

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah it retries the filter by bruteforcing it

[wintry dune]

i can clearly tell

also i realized it was most likely cause

it has 739 instruments

atleast i think that number meant instruments

cuz with another song for example its only 1/7

i mean

the bruteforcing works

[autumn hamlet]

It does not

Those are all either total events for that track or the amount of tracks

[wintry dune]

oh

well thats alot

especially including filter

[autumn hamlet]

The wait it's split up is meant for a general keeping track of progress, it's not exact

[wintry dune]

oh

[autumn hamlet]

Yea

The ticking noise + that was meant as a way of saying "it's not stuck lol"

[young badger]

Pipe I want to kiss you

[autumn hamlet]

I am 23

[young badger]

It's okay I'm

[autumn hamlet]

still no

[wintry dune]

damn

rip bro

[void wedge]

Seek 👁️ function

[autumn hamlet]

Im gonna redo the main post soon
Go here for the new importer/player: #1140540112602677290 message

[autumn hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/724470057886941184/1283191748876697705/2024-09-10_15-22-14.mp4
Example of the player

[brave oriole]

do these only play for the player or within the whole game?

preferrably i'd like a way to play it within the game but beggars can't be choosers

[autumn hamlet]

You use an external script to take a fire remote event to all clients which passes it to a localscript that fires the setsong function

[dense olive]

some midi converter websites never worked with the importer (which is probably why i couldn't import anything before) so i don't want some people to be as clueless as me when i tried doing it lol
https://basicpitch.spotify.com/ use this website for it

[olive mountain]

teleport

[olive mountain]

its not working, i paste it in and nothing happens

[autumn hamlet]

can you record a vid

[olive mountain]

I think it might be beacause im converting it from a mp3 instead of a midi idk im a little stupid

[autumn hamlet]

no, that wouldn't be the problem. you said nothing happens?

It would at least tell you that there is a format mismatch or start decoding the data sent

[olive mountain]

alr im rec rn 1 sec

what the

SJDAkzcx

(sent a mkv with ping but i deleted it

[autumn hamlet]

bro you can't just put an mp3 into the site

you also have to playtest for the gui to work

[olive mountain]

Oh

whoops,,

[autumn hamlet]

it's a midi importer

it has to be a midi

[flat cliff]

Ib

OH GOD

Made a typo, so I went to fix it, then I accidentally pressed the send button

[olive mountain]

how do i play it...

[autumn hamlet]

There is an example player provided

[meager cipher]

hm

[meager cipher]

im stupid how do we make them play

[chilly shuttle]

this is crazy

[autumn hamlet]

Are you experiencing any problems

[chilly shuttle]

I had no problems at all doing it

[meager cipher]

no i just need to know how to like
actually make them play ingame yk

like is therew an inbuilt player orrrrr

[autumn hamlet]

Yes

It is included

[chilly shuttle]

@autumn hamlet How do i save songs?

(so like i can have preset mp4s

[autumn hamlet]

wdym mp4s

[chilly shuttle]

fuck i mean midis

[autumn hamlet]

You right click the imported midi and copy, end playtest and then paste

[chilly shuttle]

Where does the imported midi get saved to?

[autumn hamlet]

Or export model, and then import model

[autumn hamlet]

game.Lighting.MIDI_Lighting.Songs

[chilly shuttle]

thnx

also i tried the midi player for a semi-long song

[chilly shuttle]

and it errored

so im assuming it has a cap

(please tell me the cap so i know)

[autumn hamlet]

Make sure if you're using the program I made that you click copy output to clipboard

[chilly shuttle]

i use base85 encoder website

[autumn hamlet]

Well there is no cap

[autumn hamlet]

Oh that error, ignore it

[chilly shuttle]

Oh, well i tried again (and it errored)

it is 3 mins long tho

[autumn hamlet]

What error is it

[chilly shuttle]

cant remember + not playing rn

i can get on later and tell you

[autumn hamlet]

If the error was related to "Multiplication1" you can safely ignore it

[chilly shuttle]

no like error on the midi menu btw

[autumn hamlet]

Related to format?

[chilly shuttle]

i cant remember

ill be back on later

[autumn hamlet]

K

If it's due to format, you'll have to convert the midi to format 1

[chilly shuttle]

@autumn hamlet how do i convert it?

hello?

o ur offline

[autumn hamlet]

https://signal.vercel.app/

[chilly shuttle]

where in it?

@autumn hamlet oh do i just open it then export it?

[chilly shuttle]

that worked

@autumn hamlet so if something hashtags does it just loop that forever

no it doesnt it just takes a while

nvm

i vouch

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah the filter has to be bruteforced in order to decode strings

[chilly shuttle]

i just sat for a minuyte and it got odne

[autumn hamlet]

btw check out the instrument spreadsheet I linked, it's useful for changing up the instruments of the song

[chilly shuttle]

okay

[autumn hamlet]

also sometimes trackPrograms doesn't get populated with all the channels, so sometimes you have to manually add some of them

[chilly shuttle]

where is it

lol

[autumn hamlet]

linked with the importer

[chilly shuttle]

ok i found it

[meager cipher]

@autumn hamlet My imported song sounds like it's playing too fast.

Is there a way to get the correct tempo?

[autumn hamlet]

https://signal.vercel.app/ test the midi here

also make sure to adjust the instruments after import

the default map is not very good

[meager cipher]

Browser doesn't support WebGL

I'm using Firefox btw

[autumn hamlet]

I'm also using firefox

[meager cipher]

Does it work for you?

[autumn hamlet]

yes

[meager cipher]

what should i do?

[autumn hamlet]

If you can find another midi editor, use it to check

or a midi player

[meager cipher]

Got it to work

plays at the correct speed there?

Should i send you the imported audio?

[autumn hamlet]

Send me the midi too

I suspect it's a problem of instruments being wrong

[meager cipher]

alr

379983637

Ripped it from a ROM of Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing for the DS

[autumn hamlet]

Is there supposed to be percussion in this midi?

the rip seems to have improper instrument mapping already

[meager cipher]

I believe so.

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah that midi is likely broken

[meager cipher]

I may have copied it before the importing finished

Does the importer say if it's finished importing?

[autumn hamlet]

no, but it makes a sound

[meager cipher]

Huh

I heard it

[autumn hamlet]

I think it will also go blank

What I mean by it's broken is as in the .mid itself is broken

[meager cipher]

weird

It sounds fine to me

[meager cipher]

What should i do now?

[autumn hamlet]

I would probably try to find another midi

[meager cipher]

Do i have to convert before hexstring to binary?

I mean enable that option

[autumn hamlet]

What?

[meager cipher]

The website you link in the importer post

[autumn hamlet]

one second

[meager cipher]

it has an option to "convert before hexstring to binary"

[autumn hamlet]

Do not use that no

Leave the options as default

[meager cipher]

alr

[autumn hamlet]

Using that website tends to result in an error related to "Multiplication1", which can be safely ignored too

[meager cipher]

It still says 8/8 after it's done importing

[autumn hamlet]

Did you hear the sound

[meager cipher]

Yeah

[autumn hamlet]

then it is done

[meager cipher]

Sounds a little bit coherent now

Only thing to do now is find out how to change the instruments

[autumn hamlet]

it's under SongFolder.trackPrograms

[meager cipher]

thx

[autumn hamlet]

New MIDI Player release: Test 4!

ID: 764113884 428290404

• Fixes some note durations and possibly fixed pitch bends not working (Finally?!)

Added missing instrument 63 - Elec Chug

Caution: Might be laggier than the previous version due to the way I fixed it

[autumn hamlet]

@covert depot this release actually affects how some midis sound

[covert depot]

oh no

like in a bad way?

oh just different

I'm looking through 1351 roblox sounds to make custom instruments

so I'll see how it affects midis later

[autumn hamlet]

Well attack and release is actually accounted for

Eek! sounds alot "smoother" when played with this version

[covert depot]

I actually didn't pick good instruments for eek I'll be real

[autumn hamlet]

Your instruments were originally close to the og song though

now, not so much lol

[autumn hamlet]

Only problem is the instruments are not setup like the midi insts are

You're not getting what I'm saying

It can't really properly be mapped to a soundfont

Because no matter how you match it in the midi, it'll still need to be corrected after since it maps to specific instruments every time

[spark spire]

or mainly, how do I import audio into the signal vercel app

eh actually

@autumn hamlet when I import a midi to the retrostudio model, it doesn't play any music

it imports properly but doesnt play anything

[autumn hamlet]

did you click skip

[spark spire]

wdym

[autumn hamlet]

I also recommend copying the imported song object and ending the playtest

And then pasting it in and then playtest again

[spark spire]

i did

[autumn hamlet]

Didnt look like it there

How do you have workspace, lighting and startergui setup

[spark spire]

well i mean i didnt clear the output\

[autumn hamlet]

I ask because it usually prints "cleared objects" when midiplayer runs

[spark spire]

plays from the start too

[autumn hamlet]

check what instruments it's using under trackPrograms

There is an issue sometimes where trackPrograms doesn't get populated

[spark spire]

theres nothing inside trackPrograms

[autumn hamlet]

In that case you'll just have to manually add them

[spark spire]

😔

[autumn hamlet]

They're numbervalues

You'd have to map them to taste anyways ;p

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah just refer to trackVolumes to see how many tracks there are

[spark spire]

theres just

1

?

maybe theres something wrong with the midi file itself

but it plays fine inside the vercel signal app

@autumn hamlet

[autumn hamlet]

How many channels are there on the left

@spark spire

[spark spire]

just 1

@autumn hamlet actually do u use any programs to convert mp3 to midi

maybe i just used a crap one

[autumn hamlet]

No i never have

They're all pretty bad ngl

[spark spire]

so you just do everything manually?

and is there supposed to be just 1 channel

[autumn hamlet]

Try copying 1 from trackvolumes to trackprograms and play

[spark spire]

oh hey now its playing

but the instrument used is kinda mid

[autumn hamlet]

Oh wow that midi literally only has one channel

Almost all midis use channel 1 as metadata

So on import I usually ignore it in trackPrograms

That explains why it didnt show up lol

[spark spire]

crazy

how do I change the instrument

or is there any like, piano ones

[autumn hamlet]

Just change the value

[autumn hamlet]

atm no, they'd have to be added

[spark spire]

damn

what do I change the value to

i can also see you used a piano-like one for the undertale ruins audio

[autumn hamlet]

That was the harp i believe

[autumn hamlet]

Check the instruments spreadsheet I linked

[spark spire]

yea I have no idea how u guys are converting these songs so easily without some sort of converter

[autumn hamlet]

manually

[spark spire]

yea

[autumn hamlet]

It looks easy but I go through the process of manually muting all the channels, unmuting each channel and individually tweaking it until it sounds like how I want it to

until someone manages to upload the entire microsoft GS soundfont to roblox the default mapping sucks too

[spark spire]

we desperately need piano 😭

[covert depot]

(318909190) - I sorted through all 1351 of #free-models-archive message these to pick out classic sounds that could potentially be used for custom instruments, enjoy!

[spark spire]

@autumn hamlet time to work...

[covert depot]

read the SIGN buddy!

you can have custom instruments built into your midi

[spark spire]

does the midi importer automatically determine like which instrument to use

[covert depot]

it usually assigns something close but most of the time you gotta tweak the instrument https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSgaaiBNfZkW1_p6aBkgsinXMJs69b6CpXqBMHgAWqgzliRgxBAEXw3m651jbXkdQ/pubhtml

[spark spire]

can I use the same logic with custom instruments

[covert depot]

yea

[spark spire]

(Also did u find any piano/violin ones)

[covert depot]

nope :P

[spark spire]

bru

[covert depot]

but I'm sure you could find piano samples not uploaded by roblox

[spark spire]

apparently no one can find piano and violin instruments

:(

[covert depot]

well cause we've only been using classic sounds

[spark spire]

ehh is that intentional

I don't see the point of doing that

[covert depot]

for violin sounds also try using these

these sounds are pretty close

either that or use one of the other synths

[spark spire]

I don't rkly know how to configure my stuff to do that

I've only been tinkering with the programTracks folder

[covert depot]

yes this is trackprogram

the number on the left is the instrument id

[spark spire]

Yea but there's only 1 value I can change I don't see the rest

or mainly I can't find the rest of the settings

[covert depot]

ok so the value is the id of the instrument

if you have a custom instrument you also gotta assign it an id

I usually do negative numbers so it doesn't interfere with any future instruments added

[spark spire]

lemme try to add some custom instruments

[spark spire]

i meant like, how do I set these values

[covert depot]

uhh those are part of the instruments themselves

[spark spire]

but they all have 1 ID

[spark spire]

oh

[covert depot]

that's what those values correspond to

each instrument can have multiple different sounds for different pitches

[spark spire]

what am i supposed to do with this

[covert depot]

customInstruments

[spark spire]

the message delay is crazy

[autumn hamlet]

Did you end up finding any flute sounds in those

[covert depot]

yea

[autumn hamlet]

Damn it I already had that one

[spark spire]

is there any particular reason u guys are only limited to roblox sounds

[autumn hamlet]

The flute inst is missing "FluteG"

[covert depot]

retro....

[autumn hamlet]

It's because I haven't made custom instruments, these are all sourced from gamehero's midi player

[covert depot]

oh tea

[spark spire]

wdym so you arent limited to just roblox sounds

[autumn hamlet]

That's what the custom instruments folder is for yeah

[spark spire]

damn those are gonna be hard to setup

[covert depot]

so wait is this just a port of gamehero's midi player then?

[autumn hamlet]

Not exactly

It's more like chunks of it

[covert depot]

if so I bet we could find a bunch of custom instruments in the marketplace

[autumn hamlet]

But the event logic is entirely custom

[covert depot]

ok but are instruments done the same way?

:)

[autumn hamlet]

(Playback logic is by speedyspot)

[autumn hamlet]

Yes, math is same

[covert depot]

HELL YEAH

[autumn hamlet]

Some instruments dont playback correctly though

[spark spire]

now add piano

[autumn hamlet]

(Alot of the synths)

[spark spire]

piano - 5924276201
trumpet - 1846986991
trombone - 1846986991
drum - 31173820
flute - 4872619988
banjolin - 12857654
electric - 4582790360
guitar - 4007485270
sax - 9038902891

100% retro

[covert depot]

I wish roblox didn't retroactively private all old assets

they keep adding new features and making them opt out rather than opt in

[spark spire]

i have no idea how to convert these into instruments lol

[autumn hamlet]

People want to use assets but not share them

[covert depot]

dang I guess that's fair

[autumn hamlet]

fun fact it's easy to rip audio files by grabbing them from the cached folder

[covert depot]

I was talking about old accounts with their inventories public but having the audio and decals privated by the update despite the fact that the account is pretty much abandonned

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah it was stupid

[covert depot]

anyhow I'm gonna figure how how sound tune works so I can make epic custom instruments

[autumn hamlet]

Maybe you can fix the synth tuning for me too lol

[olive mountain]

teleport

[autumn hamlet]

what

[void wedge]

teleport

[autumn hamlet]

I'm going to teleport your brain into a rat

[void wedge]

/tp

the rat wont be that much smarter

[covert depot]

silly billy

[void wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/fnf-keith-bf-boyfriend-silly-billy-gif-9338404956610428035

[covert depot]

NOT A REFERENCE >:(

[void wedge]

MY WAY......

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-car-explode-shatter-cat-gif-10358843112865587060

[covert depot]

@autumn hamlet what does attack and release do?

[autumn hamlet]

smooths the playback and ending of a note

[covert depot]

what does that mean

sorry

like attack does what

and release?

[autumn hamlet]

Attack is the time it takes to go from 0 to the volume requested of the note

Release is the opposite direction

[covert depot]

alright

and those are 0 by default for a note without them right?

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah

[covert depot]

alright

[autumn hamlet]

Actually it might default to 100ms(?)

[spark spire]

@autumn hamlet did you add the instruments yourself or did you take them from gameheros midi model

[unreal sandal]

can you please at least repost the ID or the thing because IT TAKES A YEAR TO SCROLL UP

[spark spire]

teleport

[unreal sandal]

alr

[autumn hamlet]

#1140540112602677290 message is the newest player

[autumn hamlet]

As I said I really have to revamp the main post

[chilly shuttle]

@covert depot

im trying to change the sounds to more like the video

[autumn hamlet]

Those sound like the banjo inst

Which is the first inst in the instruments folder

[chilly shuttle]

i havent changed anything in it yet

fyi

i dont really know how to change the instruments

[autumn hamlet]

The sub objects in the inst folder are both the individual "sub instruments" in the instrument, as well as the tuning value of that instrument

Then there's id, startkey and endkey and other stuff

[chilly shuttle]

@covert depot

theres only two things in tehre

[covert depot]

ok

then there are only 2 tracks in the midi you imported

[chilly shuttle]

yeah

thats correct

[spark spire]

ehh isn't the 1st one silent/data

so you can only change the 2nd one

[autumn hamlet]

Suprisingly I think royaltee found one that only had 1 track

And it was track 1

[spark spire]

that was me

[autumn hamlet]

Oh yea

I scrolled up

[spark spire]

I'm partially at fault for that tho

the story is that I downloaded a song and then put it in a converter

but the entire song only had 1 instrument since it's a phoenix wright song

[autumn hamlet]

I am planning the new importer, it will be using the new localscript json decode

[spark spire]

why

[autumn hamlet]

Because I can support more midi formats

My midi parser only supports one type of midi right now

And breaks when unknown events are in the midi

[spark spire]

we needa more instruments

[hollow bay]

make your own instruments smh 🙄

[mossy river]

NO ONE CAN STOP ME FROM PLAYING TWIDDLEFINGER NOW MUAHAHAA

[warm bobcat]

does twiddlefinger midi even exists, as of like not note spamming

[mossy river]

yea it does

[autumn hamlet]

;D

[pearl cape]

how do u save the midi after playtest

[autumn hamlet]

you right click the midi and copy it, stop the playtest, and then paste it

[fiery marten]

nice

[pearl cape]

where is midi stored

[pearl cape]

nvm

[ember cargo]

Niceee

[autumn hamlet]

There will be a newer version at some point in the future with a much better importer

[spark spire]

More instruments

[autumn hamlet]

If I can get ayray to import the entire Microsoft GS Wavetable soundfont

[spark spire]

Wtf......

[analog crater]

whats midi

honestly what does this all mean

im dumb

[pearl cape]

music

[analog crater]

but like

do you just import a other music file format into midi

or its all manual

[pearl cape]

idk how it works i just got some midis from a website

[covert depot]

ok so midis are sequences of notes

a midi player reads these sequences and plays the notes of each channel

[analog crater]

so its basically soundfonts programm?

anyways

how would that work in retro studio

is there like

chiptune stuff or something?

[autumn hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775019715852501025/1284725515646926918/2024-09-14_17-03-36.mp4

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775019715852501025/1288274000669184080/2024-09-24_15-54-48.mp4

[analog crater]

holy crap this means i can get music from cave story

anyways

wheres a guide for this stuff

:3

[autumn hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/there-isn't-one-hannibal-season-1-episode-2-amuse-bouche-will-graham-hannibal-hugh-dancy-gif-4661479432381680972

[analog crater]

howd you learned it then

[autumn hamlet]

I made it

[autumn hamlet]

but start here
#1140540112602677290 message

[autumn hamlet]

check here for already imported midis https://ptb.discord.com/channels/645632117455323136/1262909826661482526

[analog crater]

alr ty!

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet home resonance it's a bit off

hold on

it sounds a bit offtune

[autumn hamlet]

might be the instruments, I directly ripped them from gamehero's midi player

[regal atlas]

yeah, I'm doing something else

[autumn hamlet]

some of them have messed up ranges

[regal atlas]

the gamehero's sounds are offtune

[autumn hamlet]

just a few of the synths

[regal atlas]

I've used those instruments sounds before

some are offtune, some are perfect

and some are odd.

[autumn hamlet]

yeah, as I said I directly ripped them and the code used to calculate the note pitches from them from gamehero's midi player

I'm going to attempt to replicate the microsoft gs soundfont for the next version

[regal atlas]

Tomodachi collection mii edit soundtrack

it sounds good actually

but the drums are a bit loud

[autumn hamlet]

huh, interesting that doesn't sound like drums, what instrument id is that channel using

[warm bobcat]

now this gives me a idea to remake tomodachi life in retrostudio

[covert depot]

He's using gunshot for the drums lol

[autumn hamlet]

lol

[regal atlas]

this sounds fine

@autumn hamlet sorry for the ping but, yeah overall this midi player is good

[autumn hamlet]

the example player sucks tbh lol

very shoddily put together

[regal atlas]

lol

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet oh yeah this is xtal

[regal atlas]

use drums?❌ use my glock to shoot up the opps to make a drum beat✅

[fiery marten]

nice

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet how do I make a script that plays 1 midi and loops it

[regal atlas]

@covert depot

how do I make a script that plays 1 midi and loops it

or is it in the free model

[covert depot]

idk, there's one that comes with the free model

you could prolly reverse engineer that for your own script

[autumn hamlet]

It's a bit of a mess, but the basic functions and how they're called are in the example player script

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet Nintendo lawyers are gonna go crazy with this one

[autumn hamlet]

yo

[regal atlas]

?

[autumn hamlet]

I was responding to the vid

[regal atlas]

ok

[autumn hamlet]

Kinda like a "yooo"

[tribal epoch]

i tried importing a midi and it threw out a "trying to compare instance < instance" error

is this caused by an unknown event or did something just break?

more specifically, i finished importing and tried playing the song through the player

[autumn hamlet]

That midi is incompatible

The next version of the player will support nearly all midis unlike my current version

[tribal epoch]

just as i thought
shit.

[autumn hamlet]

Still planning the import process, new importer rn would require the usage of multiple sites to format the midi info into a json that retro can decode natively

[tribal epoch]

actually, what kind of midi variant is compatible

[autumn hamlet]

type 1

[tribal epoch]

aand my midi is type 1

so what's going on in here

thanks anyway!

[autumn hamlet]

hmm

might be an invalid character somewhere

[tribal epoch]

hell yeah, it actually worked (saved the midi through online sequencer, it outputs type 1 midis always)
so my midi probably was type 2

tanks the game's performance tho, can't really use it that much
still great that it worked

[surreal onyx]

how to run

[autumn hamlet]

walk but fast

[worldly wraith]

peak

this would go CRAZY for a 2007 emulator for 1:1 can u escape the killer barneys can u?

[surreal onyx]

no how to run the application on mobile

[autumn hamlet]

I don't believe it's viable on mobile atm

[surreal onyx]

can you make baldis basics mus_school midi

send model id

[autumn hamlet]

@chilly spade

[chilly spade]

SoooooOOOOOO reTTTrooOOOO, this is actually fire

[trail ledge]

garbage model

[trail ledge]

Awesome model

[regal atlas]

erm song name

nvm

[covert depot]

oh in the next version of the midi player can there be an option for an instrument to play a sound to completion instead of cutting off when the note ends?

[autumn hamlet]

alright

[covert depot]

thanks bossman

[jovial scarab]

so how do i change it to format 1?

[autumn hamlet]

https://signal.vercel.app/

[jovial scarab]

what next?

[autumn hamlet]

Save as or download midi file

[jovial scarab]

thx

[ornate jacinth]

not only is this guy making a simon says game, but he actually privated and reuploaded the game 6 times to hide the like to dislike ratio. I was wondering how he had 3000 visits until I went through his privated games.

[void wedge]

wrong forum

[autumn hamlet]

wrong place

[ornate jacinth]

FUCK

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet

[autumn hamlet]

ooh what dis

[valid lake]

what

[valid lake]

@autumn hamlet can thy explain this issue

[valid lake]

ok so apparently my midi is just shit

i tried one thats on the forum it works

the one I tried didnt tho?

though it plays here just fine

[autumn hamlet]

some midis just don't work

;D

[valid lake]

😭

[autumn hamlet]

check the imported midi's channels

[valid lake]

well how can I best convert an mp3 to a midi or is it jsut pain

[valid lake]

where the hell is that

[autumn hamlet]

trackProgram

[valid lake]

ah

so I assume this is not intended

to have literally 1

[autumn hamlet]

your midi only has 1 track or "program"

but try copying that and pasting it, renaming it to 1

[valid lake]

do I need 2 channels why do I need to copy and paste

still wants to error :)

[autumn hamlet]

just in case

then yeah it broken

[valid lake]

fuck

how do I successfully get a nonbroken mp3 to midi

[autumn hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[valid lake]

how the hell did that guy get stuck inside then lmfao

[autumn hamlet]

likely an actual midi

[valid lake]

ill see if I can find a midi download for it

I found one instantly

lmfao

[autumn hamlet]

The next version of the midi player will support more midis and wont be as broken

[valid lake]

its missing lyrics tho

so I need to try to find one that somewhat has lyrics

cuz u can kinda do that

[autumn hamlet]

the midi player will NOT handle that lmao

[valid lake]

nah bro trust

also the one with lyrics I had before that didnt work wasnt even 1/5 of the size of stuck inside so holy shit

that mf sat there watching it import for like 30 minutes

[autumn hamlet]

if it can barely handle rush e

it will not handle that lmaoo

well actually maybe 🤔

[valid lake]

wym this will totally work

totally doesnt look like cancer

found one

dang it costs money

holy carp

the one I found with lyrics is way smaller lmfao

it can run this 100%

alright

@autumn hamlet how do I change the instruments sounds of it

is it like each of these numbers corsepond to a number in a instrument folder and u change the IDs

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet ported my chord progression I made on fl studio to the midi player

[autumn hamlet]

it corresponds to an instrument id yeah

[valid lake]

nice

now I have to go through all the channels of this midi to find out which are the lyrics and not

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet any thoughts?

[valid lake]

found out a super simple way to have it playing constantly lmfao

[regal atlas]

what the fuck

[autumn hamlet]

lol

I sometimes forget how crusty the midi player actually is sometimes

[regal atlas]

I hope we get a midi player 2.0

imagine ayray helped you💔

[valid lake]

I got it to play from the position of a part instead of just in the players sound all of the time

amazing

also I made it with volume so I can make it have instant cutoff

even more amazing

also holy mother of shit this uses so much space

this is 1 song, on a blank baseplate

insane

thats liek what 16 songs and it cant save anymore

like this is insane amazing model, I can bypass copyright law and make audios

but that is some insane levels of space loll

wait couldnt that be bypassed via just loading in all songs via free model IDs

via scripts

[autumn hamlet]

datastore

[valid lake]

or free model loading

[autumn hamlet]

yeah

I think initially I was recommending it too

[valid lake]

now I can have my hatsune miku addiction in retrostudio tho this is great

amazing work

[regal atlas]

@autumn hamlet try this song 435485733

that's the ID to import

[regal atlas]

201479027

[regal atlas]

@valid lake Imagine fl studio in retro studio💔

[valid lake]

im imagining entering in my miku playlist into retro-studio

the save file of all that would be in the trillions

[autumn hamlet]

import models

[valid lake]

yea

also the playlist already increase

increased*

Lmfao

[valid lake]

imma be real tho

the main issue

converting all those songs to midi

Why

[autumn hamlet]

what's the original song?

[regal atlas]

hold on I'll get the name

[autumn hamlet]

more importantly the og midi

[regal atlas]

oh

I'll send it

I had to fix the midi

I'll get the fixed one and the broken one

[autumn hamlet]

kk

[regal atlas]

first one is the fixed one, second is the broken one

[regal atlas]

Fixed midi

broken midi

[valid lake]

I have a question

is 2 channels enough for it to work

since 1 channel doesnt work

[autumn hamlet]

wdym

1 channel should work, it just depends on how it's setup

[valid lake]

what

how does it need to be setup

[autumn hamlet]

I can't really answer that lmao

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah I gotta get off my butt and just get the next midi importer goin lol

[valid lake]

I wish roblox made their audio system actually useable

😭

[autumn hamlet]

nahh who'd ever want that

[autumn hamlet]

it beningning

[regal atlas]

would the new version have more instument support

or is that just a redesign

[covert depot]

you can make custominstruments in the current version

[regal atlas]

oh cool

[autumn hamlet]

it's an undocumented feature lol

[neat bramble]

how does this work so well

[autumn hamlet]

Idk it's so janky

[neat bramble]

also what does the playback counter mean

is it notes or

milliseconds

[autumn hamlet]

it's ticks

i dont know how to represent the track length in seconds so I just show the current tick compared to the last tick

The playback isn't completely linear since songs can change tempo mid song

[autumn hamlet]

it's so bad lol

gg on getting it working though

[valid lake]

the lag makes it fuck up lol

I promise it can actually do its job

im using a midi synthesizer to play a song created with a voice sythesizer

[neat bramble]

1.1 megabytes of generated midis ✅

[autumn hamlet]

yes 🔥

[neat bramble]

even though i only imported 4 midis

also i just realized that the midi importer is parsing the literal midi file inside of retrostudio

its not formatted in any special way. nope you just ... added a whole ass midi parser

damn

[autumn hamlet]

also a base85 decoder

when I could have just used decode json the entire time

[void wedge]

that sure is a lot of characters

was it that or another one that I used in my devexplorer

[neat bramble]

i think filtering would be the hardest?

base85 maps 5 characters to 4 bytes of data afaik

[neat bramble]

bloated

[autumn hamlet]

lookup tables and split string

[autumn hamlet]

I wouldn't have to write my own midi parser and it would work better, since there's already a midi to json utility

[neat bramble]

I mean yours works pretty well

[autumn hamlet]

except for the fact it only supports one format of midi

[neat bramble]

My only complaint is how it handles filtering and the instruments being off, but that's not your fault in the slightest

[neat bramble]

It's not that big of an inconvenience to open signal, click open and then immediately click save

[autumn hamlet]

It would also solve the issue of some midis just refusing to import for no reason

[neat bramble]

Has that ever happened