Hello i want to make something like supabase,firebase from scratch with database/auth/storage what languages will be needed? I'm gonna use nuxtjs for the website
#make a backend
undone horizon
unborn grail
You basically want to make a clone of Supabase / Firebase from scratch?
undone horizon
Not a clone cause that would take alot of time just something near to it that i can use for my websites
İ never made my own database so i don't know how that works
But i really like backend more(cause of css)
unborn grail
Not a clone cause that would take alot of time just something near to it that i ...
So what part exactly are you trying to build?
undone horizon
Auth,database,storage
The auth part is with googles outh screen
Database, i don't know i never done my own database
hard crag
Database, i don't know i never done my own database
use sqllite if you do not wanna deal with configurations
undone horizon
use sqllite if you do not wanna deal with configurations
How would i connect sqlite to my Nuxt.js app, with fetch or prisma?
unborn grail
I feel so incredibly old reading this chat
undone horizon
I feel so incredibly old reading this chat
i feel very inexperienced
river fjord
Why make firebase from scratch? Might as well just use it?
undone horizon
Why make firebase from scratch? Might as well just use it?
i like to struggle
oak summit
Use a backend library like spring, or whichever other one depending on your language. Use a database technology either relational DB (PostGreSQL, MariaDB, MySQL, whatever) or alternatively a nosql DB like MongoDB, etc
river fjord
Though if you really don't want to and want to make your own API (which is totally fair), you'll probably need a database...
A database, which can be relational (MySQL, PostgreSQL, ect.). For relational databases you'll probably need SQL or an ORM like Sequelize (or Keyv but it's much more barebones). And for non-SQL databases, there's MongoDB which also has a library (mongoose IIRC) to write models, ect.
oak summit
lol we sent same msg :3
river fjord
yeah ^^
undone horizon
thank you alot guys ill check these databases
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river fjord
ok 😂
oak summit
non-relational easier to get started but easier to screw up, i'd argue it's worth learning relational SQL db's first to get a good fundemental knowledge of DB before trying some noSQL options
undone horizon
non-relational easier to get started but easier to screw up, i'd argue it's wort...
Yeah no sql sometimes mess my mind im gonna try to learn relational db
oak summit
yeah, noSQL makes some trade-offs that are hard to understand without first understanding SQL
river fjord
I think most applications would have established rigid models of some sort and they don't need a noSQL database.
undone horizon
so ill do the auth system with this database right, and how would i make the passwords hidden like hashed?
winter otter
you store the password hashes in the db
undone horizon
you store the password hashes in the db
How will i acess the hashes in the client for auth?
like the password
river fjord
so ill do the auth system with this database right, and how would i make the pas...
You should use Argon2id
river fjord
How will i acess the hashes in the client for auth?
You don't.
winter otter
why does the client need to access the hashes?
river fjord
You get user input, hash it and check if the hashes match (it's a bit more complex because of salting, ect.) but basically, that's it.
undone horizon
You get user input, hash it and check if the hashes match (it's a bit more compl...
oh so thats how i do it
i was wondering how i was gonna check them
oak summit
I think most applications would have established rigid models of some sort and t...
There's situations where noSQL benefits outweigh SQL benefits, and vice-versa. it's all situational
undone horizon
so where would i store the salt tho?
river fjord
Along the passwords.
oak summit
in the DB, and you validate the password in the backend. you shouldn't validate the pass in the frontend
undone horizon
in the DB, and you validate the password in the backend. you shouldn't validate ...
yeah i mess their names up sometimes
winter otter
you can have a separate db column for it
river fjord
uh how?
Well if you have a User model, you'd have a column for the hash and a column for the salt
undone horizon
you can have a separate db column for it
okay that makes sense
winter otter
are you actually going to use this, or are you just doing it for fun/learning?
undone horizon
are you actually going to use this, or are you just doing it for fun/learning?
both
i will use it in future projects
winter otter
because encryption is something usually best left to experts
river fjord
Hashing isn't encryption
winter otter
cryptographically secure hashing...is?
river fjord
And unless you mess with how the hashing functions you're fine
winter otter
bad hashing is a security issue, in any case
undone horizon
bad hashing is a security issue, in any case
what is a good hashing then?
how would i do it?
winter otter
become a cryptology expert?
river fjord
bruh 😭
undone horizon
oh... lol
river fjord
what is a good hashing then?
There are algorithms you can use like Argon2id or PBKDF2 (use +600,000 iterations)
undone horizon
There are algorithms you can use like Argon2id or PBKDF2 (use +600,000 iteration...
Thank you ill check them
oak summit
what is a good hashing then?
just use something like bcrypt or similar. most backend libraries will have guidance on password encryption/validation in the docs
river fjord
yep all modern hashing functions work really ^^
undone horizon
better than how i used to store passwords i guess :D
river fjord
better than how i used to store passwords i guess :D
how did you do it ?