📈futures-stocks-chat

[west berry]

Here we go

[hearty rivet]

Yes any ticker

Even crypto

[west berry]

We are about to sweep am low

[hearty rivet]

I personally like this on ES and SXP500

[hearty rivet]

Really?

[cloud cipher]

bouncing on it

[west berry]

Swept

[hearty rivet]

Just got the alert

A tip for you guys

10 min before market close, whatever last liquidity we swept, the price will pump the opposite direction

Keep that in mind

[night flicker]

nice FVG touch lol

[cloud cipher]

so obviously we need to sweep it good....not just hang out on it

[hearty rivet]

You see guys we didn’t take that entry after MSs earlier because liquidity not taken

See how much it dipped

[hearty rivet]

A wick is enough

[cloud cipher]

oh wow

[hearty rivet]

Now we wait for MSS and fvg

[tall plover]

selam

[cloud cipher]

gotcha

so its legit any move past it

gotcha

[hearty rivet]

Aleykum selam

[west berry]

As long as the green bar turns to red it’s swept

[hearty rivet]

Yeah

Yes

[west berry]

Aleykum salam

[hearty rivet]

Now der an alert for bullish MSS

And go play some apex legends

[tall plover]

türkmüsün

[hearty rivet]

Ben Türkçe biliyorum

heheh

[tall plover]

hee tmm knk

ben yeniyim

SGHJFJHASGFJAD

[hearty rivet]

Welcome

https://tenor.com/view/hello-marketeros-hello-hello-mk-marketeros-gif-23167600

[west berry]

How do I set alert for mss

Can’t find it in the ictconceot

[cloud cipher]

im setting one in PAC

if any of these go off its likely a MSS at the same time

(making two alerts i can turn on and off, bullish and bearish)

[west berry]

Cool

[west berry]

Luke how did you set up your alerts

[cloud cipher]

ES is a lot better setup

massive candle down

uneventful break lol

55 min until we are done, right?

session closes at 5pm eastern

[west berry]

Some prop firm closes at ny session

[cloud cipher]

apex opens again at 6pm

but we are only trading london and NY

so once NY is closed we dont have any again until London closes.

unless London opening works with NY PM is a thing, but @hearty rivet had said previous session

[west berry]

I think yes the London works with previous session

[cloud cipher]

nothing about NY PM in there

[west berry]

For real 😮

I’m gonna go check

[cloud cipher]

so once we close at 5pm....we dont play again until 8am tomorrow

for the london close

[west berry]

Yes I guess

[hearty rivet]

My bad

NY PM high low also works

[cloud cipher]

for london

or asia?

[hearty rivet]

I forgot to write that in pdf

No Asia

[west berry]

You did mention that in the videos

[hearty rivet]

Yh

London , my am ny pm

[cloud cipher]

ok cool....so really we have three sessions....NY AM, NY PM, London. Whatever you are in now, you base off the previous of whichver those three were last

im following

thanks @hearty rivet !

[hearty rivet]

Exactly

Welcome bro

[cloud cipher]

i honestly would be really surprised to see anything now. after 4pm the volume dies so much

even though we just broke it recently

[west berry]

Looking at the previous London session I don’t think it played out

Due to no fvg we only got mss

[cloud cipher]

honestly i think the easiest and cleanest way to do it is at 8am mark your londonsession alerts and turn off the sessions indicator to remove any confusion

the only thing that matters is the previous open close

[west berry]

Slow but working

[random sage]

smart trail went off today

[west berry]

How do you guys use this smart trail

[west berry]

What’s the concept behind it if you don’t mind sharing

[random sage]

its a brick wall that price bounces off of (most of the time), set signals and overlays to medium autopilot and when red touches the red short stop loss at top of the trail and when green touches blue go long

super high risk to reward

[west berry]

What would be the best time frame for this

And does it work pretty well with es and nq

[random sage]

1 min and it will make u quit ur job on mnq

[west berry]

Lol 😂

[random sage]

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/Rb8RSMQC/

just copy that one and i gave u examples

i have twp tps' 80 and 100 ticks

[west berry]

Wow nice

[random sage]

stop loss varies with the size of the trail, its mainly around 30 +/- 10 ticks

[outer maple]

Yo bro, I think you've said before but 25 set SL or that just about the average?

Oh you just answered lol

[cloud cipher]

Ha i saw the same one but played it on paper. It may say it’s still New York PM, but that really is over at 4-5pm. It’s Asian now.

I’m about to be stopped out

Idk how you decide to cut or if something is reversing back down

[west berry]

Oh you should have take slight profit I’m that run up

I took that for just 500 bucks

[cloud cipher]

How man cons did you play.

[west berry]

1 nq con

Filled right at that fvg

[cloud cipher]

Oh i was waiting for the matrix to flip

[west berry]

You over complicated lol 😂

Matrix won’t always aligned

[cloud cipher]

Ya i got in late - i got in on the pullback from that big candle at 7:17

[west berry]

Look into the new strategy above as well I’m back testing it and it’s really good the smart trail stuff

[cloud cipher]

Yeah it is

What time did you enter for the fvg play?

[west berry]

18:40

I’m using eastern time

19:05 sorry

Right after the mss

[cloud cipher]

I was thinking we needed to wait for a pullback

[west berry]

Pullback to were there was an fvg off that mss

[west berry]

You can see the fvg there

[cloud cipher]

I only see the one below it

[west berry]

Yes that one on the body of the candle that from the mss I took the trade of that fvg

[cloud cipher]

This one is the one that made the MSS though

It never touched a fvg after that i don’t think?

[west berry]

Hold on I’m replaying it

It was that candle that formed my own mss

[cloud cipher]

Gotcha

And then now fvg after that

Just the one from before

That it didn’t come back to?

[west berry]

I checked and replayed it happened fast

[cloud cipher]

I’m not arguing with you 🙂 just making sure i am seeing it right 👍🏻👍🏻

[west berry]

Hold on I will check one more time

[cloud cipher]

Honestly i thought i saw one too

Which is why i entered myself

Idk why i don’t see it now

In fact it like ate away at it as i was watching on the 1 min

[west berry]

Lol 😂 you gotta keep,your eyes peeled

I can’t see it

It’s happening to fast no matter how slow I try to watch it

But I knew I entered at fvg after the mss and your are right that candle did make the mss

[cloud cipher]

There it is

1min chart with then 5m fvg

[west berry]

Yea that’s it why did it disappear on the 5min chart

[west berry]

Can you share this journal

[cloud cipher]

That would be the best entry

[cloud cipher]

Pullback - matrix still gray but was near the bottom

I ended up getting in closer to here bc i wasn’t paying attention lol

@west berry awesome you got 500. Honestly since i was doing paper as i didn’t think this was still considered NY at all (and did it just for fun) i set my TP at 50% of am session and my SL at swing low and let it ride

It almost got to 50% but then pulled back

Im curious if there are signs we can take note of that it’s going to fail - or if we just get out when happy

[cloud cipher]

@random sage for the smart trail Strat, do you consider a wick across the smart trail line SL hit or do you wait for a close across the line?

[west berry]

Best solution is to always take@profit along the way

[west berry]

Good question

I’ve also decided to make play the smart trail for scalps while I wait for the big trade which is the liquidity grab and mss and the likes

[random sage]

Wick

[west berry]

Are you using quant og with the smart trail

[random sage]

I use the og and the smart trail

2 dif strats

[arctic wolf]

2/4 OG yesterday @random sage?

[zenith crown]

Just came across this concept and looked into it, are you still using MIs? I wonder how much help these can offer to the OG strat as it’s reliant on momentum push so only big cap stocks are upticked the upmove might not be very well sustained (something like that).

[tawny pulsar]

what is mis ?

[night flicker]

I saw many times where it didn't work as much

[toxic widget]

it's in Mish's comment, mate

Market Internals

[night flicker]

hence the reason I added a few more indicators to improve the strategy

[toxic widget]

MIs

[night flicker]

and yet.. it was just a bonus to the strat that I was using at the time

it was a scalping strategy which I will go back to in the near future after I master ICT and will have a clear head

[tawny pulsar]

which indicators did you added ?

[toxic widget]

if too many master ICT, it will no longer work, Mish 🙂

[night flicker]

I mean, it works at the moment so why not

I know Luke is using it for a while now as well

many make a lot of mistakes in ICT and its easier to miss trades there, you can also scalp with it or keep it riding

[toxic widget]

ICT is ideal for automation, because it requires speed of execution and proper timing

or at least have something like click the button type of trades

seen a guy trading ICT with 2 monitors

on one he was looking for the logic, on the 2nd he had ExoCharts I think, and he was just clicking the button to place trades

[night flicker]

yep

thats what I do basically

one monitor with TV and the other with NT

that way I can enter quick and adjust everything if needed

[toxic widget]

cause it's virtually impossible to do both on the same screen and hope it works

by the time you calculate decision and place your trade, opportunity is gone 🙂

[night flicker]

but, the way me and Forseti are trading this, we can leave a limit order many times and let it move and enter for us

[toxic widget]

yes, that's even better

[night flicker]

I think you are talking about the more scalpy ICT strat

[toxic widget]

have the order already on the book, just reorder/place it accordingly

[night flicker]

where you take small and nice profits

small liq sweeps, OBs and such

we usually need 3 confirmations to enter a good trade

we sometimes take small profits for the extra profit but we mostly look for the big trades

[toxic widget]

from my observations, if you rely on TV for example, lag can be up to 1 minute

[night flicker]

like yesterdat 300 ticks on NQ + 120 ticks on ES

[toxic widget]

lovely

[night flicker]

yeah I usually see it lag a few seconds rarely more than 20 seconds, thats why when I want to enter I look at NT with the level drawn already

sometimes a limit isn't good because you need the last second confirmation

[toxic widget]

I have tens of thousands of records to prove you it's up to one minute 🙂

have you found anything better than TV so far?

[night flicker]

I like TV UI so I will keep it for now

I am trying Bookmap (should've gone with Quantower) to see heatmap and such

[toxic widget]

we are still waiting for years on TV 's API

I don;t really think it will ever be available

and the reason is the obvious one

it will create an unprecented load on their servers

even now they only have 4 IP addresses, as far as I know

which translates to a poor infrastructure

[night flicker]

how tf are they still at that level?

isn't TV pretty much big?

[toxic widget]

to many of us, it looks like that

[night flicker]

they're one of the biggest in their sector

or at least feels like it

but it also feels like they carry only the dumb money

[toxic widget]

but when you see the evolution of the past 2 yrs, and analyse it carefully, the myth breaks

[night flicker]

most of the big money isn't with TV

[toxic widget]

remember when they removed the screener?

why do you think they did that? 🙂

[night flicker]

what do you mean remove the screener?

we don't have a screener anymore?

[toxic widget]

the original screener had alerts

[night flicker]

yeah I remember that

damn

[toxic widget]

so you could've analysed thousands of assets and get alerted when something was happening

removing it explains lack of proper infrastructure

or infra reaching thresholds that prevented proper functionality of the other features

so their solution was to ... remove it 🙂

API is another feature they promise for years, but not launch

add the idea from above and you get your final answer

which is simple

they do not invest in infra

I have analysed the lags of alerts for months now

it's up to one minute because servers are overloaded

during certain times of the day

etc, etc

back to normal topics

[night flicker]

damn

thats pretty much stupid lmao

[zenith crown]

Thanks for the insight! I thought they’re somewhat very helpful and can be a huge boost

[night flicker]

it can.. you can test it, see whether more stocks are going down than going up

but, if theres a tool that can show you ticker as a weighted volume (as % of the stock in SPY / QQQ) that would be a better tool

so instead of apple going 1 tick down and a random stock goin 1 tick up would result in 0 ticks move for ticker

it would be apple = move * % of SPY holdings

it will reflect the way SPY / QQQ is expected to move way better

[zenith crown]

Right yeah I get what you mean

[cloud cipher]

@night flicker y’all will start trading the London sweep and reversal anytime after 8a right? Don’t have to wait for the official standard 930 market open if the setup is there, right?

Fail on ES sweep lol. Tapped it and back up it goes with nothing noteworthy

[west berry]

Patience

smart trail is really nice you can capitalize on it

best way to go play smart trail intra chart while you wait for the liquidity sweep,setup

[cloud cipher]

So if ES drops again below London low can we look for another reversal?

I would think if we keep oozing upwards or staying above London low then eventually any market structure we see may not be related to London low

[cloud cipher]

I have plenty of other strategies I play. Those are only after 930 though. Ict is the only one I would consider taking prior to 930 due to lack of volume.

[west berry]

Es took London lows right now you should be looking for a mss and fvg on es

The session lines changes colors

It’s stays green if the liquidity is not taking

Once liquidity is taking and it turns red and it’s reversing one should look for mss and fvg

[cloud cipher]

Right but my point is, if it gets a long way up away from the low - then you are no longer utilizing that sweep

If it gets above 4380 or 85 you basically are back into the mid range and no longer are feeling the effects of that low

No mss on that candle, but big candle and then fvg…..

[west berry]

Mid range 4381 is the only place we can get a mss

Nq about to swing London highs

[cloud cipher]

Nq top broken

[west berry]

Took nq

[west berry]

We’re do you think our mss would be in nq if it doesn’t create one it self then 14900 would be our mss point right

[cloud cipher]

No idea

I took a small position on es earlier at 4376.50 after the first big candle up near the low that had the fvg it pulled back to

Did 100 and cut it just in case

Could have held, but no mss so wasn’t truly valid

[west berry]

You took es with no mss

[west berry]

Oh okay

[cloud cipher]

The whole goal of this is to grab the liquidity left at the high and low of the previous session - so even without the mss, it broke hard below it and was reversing back up

[west berry]

Here is what I’m watching if we move up further on nq I would be watching yesterday ny pm session high liquidity

[cloud cipher]

ES had a mss

it didnt show on my phone for some reason

but when i loaded up my desktop i see it

oh wait

thats the 4 min chart

lol

so 4min showed it but 5 didnt

(clicked the wrong time button on my desktop)

how weird

[west berry]

Lol

I got confused 5min showed no mad

[cloud cipher]

yeah sorry lol

didnt realize i hit 4min instead of 5min at first

i was like wtf why does it show here and not on my phone

[west berry]

Lol mehn this stuff needs patience

[cloud cipher]

yeah need some insight from @night flicker or @hearty rivet on if there is a point at which it is considered a fail and no longer should look....like a certain distance back "inside" the break or something?

we are back in that 5min FVG now that had that big candle

(though no mss on the 5, but was on the 4)

[west berry]

Yeah on es

I think nq is trying to from an mss

Reverse a little then down create an mss with fvg

Just speculating

[cloud cipher]

funny ES and NQ look almost identical on price action - yet NQ broke the top and ES broke the bottom lol

[night flicker]

Its hard to explian but basically what you want to look for is a failed "MSS" these are rare if you look for the combo of liq grab / sweep + MSS + FVG and usually the retest on the FVG would be another liquidity for the move

but, if you get and MSS with FVG and the liq grab / sweep isn't strong as much you can see price taking liquidity a little after the FVG is created which makes this a no taker

[cloud cipher]

since the MSS would likely be the candle that generates a a FVG, would you wait for the pullback of the next candle(s) into the FVG? You dont take the candle that actually made the fvg, right?

[night flicker]

but again, since it is rare I enter every time, especially since we ignore MSS that wasn't created by price displacement (forgot the real name)

[cloud cipher]

and so if no pullback into the FVG you just let it go and dont play at all

[night flicker]

thats not much likely

I mean, it happens but from what I saw, many times you'll get FVG before mss

or right after

[cloud cipher]

so on ES, it all looks perfect except no MSS

[west berry]

We have red folder news at 10

[cloud cipher]

so this is a no go?

or do we play it as if it did have the MSS since it looks identical

[night flicker]

don't see a real MSS

[cloud cipher]

so for you @night flicker , no MSS, no play....period?

[night flicker]

yep

FVG isn't a reversal strategy, its a trend continuation strategy

so without MSS we are still in the previous trend, so for here we are still in a down move

[cloud cipher]

i gotcha

thanks for the clarification

[night flicker]

yw

[west berry]

Thanks @night flicker

[cloud cipher]

i was getting confused because it looked exactly like i would expect, just didnt have the label lol

last question, and you may have already touched on it....is there a point where it gets so far away from the break that its not worth looking for hte mss anymore?

on ES we are just below the 50%

if we have got up halfway across the whole london session, are we still looking for a play

or no beacuse it no longer would have the same effect as breaking past and generating the play near the low itself

[night flicker]

wtf is that mss that lux is showing

thats one of the reasons that I don't like to trade pre-market I don't trust it

[cloud cipher]

ha, i had accidently clicked 4 min when i loaded TV

[night flicker]

I mean.. Luke built a strategy for it but I won't touch it for me

[cloud cipher]

it showed it on the 4min chart but not the 5min

[cloud cipher]

yes, every other strategy i have (i have about 4 i run) i wont touch premarket. I wasnt sure if this one was different since it very likely could trigger before 930 depending on the PA

[night flicker]

the problem here is that it isn't an actual MSS, keep in mind that its an indicator so its not perfect, it looked at the consolidation as a few highs and lows so that was an MSS but its not an actual MSS

[cloud cipher]

yeah that makes sense

im going to play it as written

i would rather pass up 3 maybes for 1 winner

[night flicker]

yeah, keep in mind that ICT gives runners many times so its ok to miss a few, 1 good trade is enough

[cloud cipher]

@west berry @night flicker ES had a MSS but it just went away

opening candle basically lol

messing with my mind that NQ is looking for bearish and ES is looking for bullish

its back now

no FVG though

BOS on NQ ( though i think Luke said he doesnt care about those)

[west berry]

Es mss

[cloud cipher]

will hold as long as above 4381.25

no FVG though

unless you count the one made about an hour ago

oh there it is

[hearty rivet]

Seseion high has been taken

[west berry]

Missed es

[cloud cipher]

yeah is that missed

or are we waiting for hte pullback?

since the FVG generated on the MSS candle

[hearty rivet]

wait for MSS

[hearty rivet]

We got London high

Let’s hope it’s a sweep

We took NY pm liquidity too

[cloud cipher]

what about ES @copper tiger?

[west berry]

We got London highs and ny on highs

[hearty rivet]

Very nice

Looking like a seeep price dropped down

[hearty rivet]

I’m currently on my way to cafe

Send screenshot

[cloud cipher]

aboive

the MSS generated the FVG as well

[west berry]

Es too London lows got mss and fvg

[cloud cipher]

the next candle just kept going up

[hearty rivet]

Let me see es

[hearty rivet]

EA looking great

[cloud cipher]

so we still wait though right?

[hearty rivet]

Enter on the fvg

But price is near London high liquidity

So it took the liquidity there now

Would it be wise to enter a trade im not sure

[cloud cipher]

dang it did lol

[hearty rivet]

Enter one contract once fvg hits

It’s a strong setup

[west berry]

Damn I saw that shot but it was damn fast on es

[cloud cipher]

for the future though.....we need to awit for the pullback?

this was not considered going into the FVG

[hearty rivet]

On a micro

[hearty rivet]

Exactly

Now that’s the fvg itself

Next candle must enter fvg

[cloud cipher]

NQ mss likely incoming shorlty

es pulled back into a secondary FVG

[hearty rivet]

Forget ES

Wait for NQ

[cloud cipher]

NQ needed a bullish MSS, you entered on the bearish?

ok

[hearty rivet]

NQ needs a bearish

We look for a short

It has a bullish MSS rn

[cloud cipher]

NQ smart trail tap inbounc

actualyl did it a few min ago

but based on us looking for the bearishfor the ict

[west berry]

Es is not playable right now if you ask me

[cloud cipher]

im thinking a bullish tap not a good idea lol

[west berry]

My focus is nq

Es took both liquidity

Of London

[cloud cipher]

who knows, maybe the smart trail tap will end up being the better play lol

they are opposing plays at this point lol

[west berry]

Lol 😂 I have 3 stuff on my chart mnq nq es

Mnq is for smart trail nq and es for main plays

Scared to take the smart trail ok mnq due to nq swee ping London highs and ny pm session

[cloud cipher]

yep

keep in mind smart trail play is on 1 min

and sweep is 5min

(only mention teh different timeframes because you said you have three things on your chart)

[random sage]

its a brick walll

[cloud cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/vettel-in-wall-hit-the-wall-gif-11905373

[west berry]

Yes I know

[hearty rivet]

Today is CPI right

Don’t trade morning session trade afternoon

[west berry]

Smart trail was the play lol

[cloud cipher]

yeah that was an easy 130 ticks

lol

[west berry]

Good lord it’s now easy watching all this things lol 😂

And the alerts are late always late

Smart trail took it first profit

News at 10

Red folder I’m gonna go have break fast see y’all in a min

[hearty rivet]

Wait for the setup

News in 4 min

[west berry]

And I understand this is just like any other Strat it doesn’t have to happen every day or when we think would it’s all about the patience and sniping the entry

[hearty rivet]

This strategy

Happen more often then most strategies

Per day

Btw lol

[west berry]

Lol yeah

Best have seen so far lost shot ton of Evals to Judas swing on the 1 min

[random sage]

smart trail 2/2

[west berry]

Cmon Sean lol you didn’t alert ‼️ us 🤣

[hearty rivet]

Mss

[west berry]

Mss

Patience we will get that nice setup

[warm coral]

Please do you have an idea of the average stop loss? thank you

[random sage]

30ish..depends on the day

[west egret]

now we just wait for fvg wick?

[west berry]

No we don’t have mss any more

[west egret]

ahh ok

[west berry]

Setup invalidated

For now

[warm coral]

thank you!

[cloud cipher]

maybe another ST tap shorlty

candle may be purple though

[west berry]

For smart trail

Does the candle have to touch the ribbon before entry

[cloud cipher]

that is the main requirement

it has to touch the ribbon (smart trail extremity) and the candle has to match the color of the ST

or both be bullish or bearish

[west berry]

Oh so if it’s purple disregard

[cloud cipher]

yes

all three of these candles are examples of entries

you enter as soon as it touches

[west berry]

Nice

[cloud cipher]

and you get out if it wicks past the smart trail (the solid line)

[cloud cipher]

like we just got in it, but we are now a bullish candle, so its not an entry

[random sage]

orrrrr

[cloud cipher]

candle type has to match

[random sage]

u can have multiple limit orders in the trail

which is what im screwing around with rn

one on enter and one midway

[west berry]

Sounds good

[cloud cipher]

do you just slid your limit order as the trail moves candle to candle?

[random sage]

yup

[cloud cipher]

oh this is an entry

[west egret]

jepp

[west berry]

It’s turning purple

[cloud cipher]

@random sage if candle goes from purple to red as its inside, is that valid, or does it need to be red on the initial touch?

[random sage]

i lost the first smart trail of the day because i forgot to adjust my stop loss lol

red on initial

[cloud cipher]

ah ok, so that wasnt an entry then

it as purple but closed red

@west berry i guess its good NQ is moving back up....kinda resets us back near london high for a MSS down

[west berry]

I thought you just had it set and no need for adjustment

[west berry]

Yeah market dealers are watching this they don’t want that move

[night flicker]

that sweep is beautiful

[random sage]

i would def adjust it

[west berry]

Oh the stop loss sorry my bad definitely needs adjustment

[night flicker]

damn

took the small profit

not woth staying in that sweep

was supposed to go way above but it got rejected

[arctic wolf]

on ninjatrader what are you guys using to place orders? superdom or something else? it all seems pretty crap either way

[west berry]

This was from

[west berry]

Previous day poc won’t let us have our mss and downside move

[wraith wharf]

This action is a little ugly this morning.

[west berry]

Yeah but Luke is killing it

[wraith wharf]

Yeah, he knows what he's doing!

Best to wait till London closes and see a better trend. Might not get something huge but easy scalps after it figures out what it wants.

[warm coral]

Does the candle have to close? as sometimes the color changes when the candle closes

[cloud cipher]

i dont think so....you just need a tap that matches the trend candle color trend (green and blue or red and red if using default lux colors)

[random sage]

this one was blue when it touched then turned white

which is still valid and it was a winner

[warm coral]

oh ok, once it touches with the right color, it's safe to take

[random sage]

yessir

[warm coral]

Thank you!

[hearty rivet]

i took the trade at the FVG, even though the MSS was invalidated, :D. its a risk im willing to take but still

[west berry]

Mss again

[west berry]

Nq 5min

[hearty rivet]

im out

[west berry]

Lol good lord

[hearty rivet]

you guys wait for MSS

ill renter once mss happens at next FVG

[west berry]

Which one

[hearty rivet]

next mss that happens

its getting invalidated as its only wicks not a body close below

[west berry]

Yeah

[hearty rivet]

that was 200 ticks with 2 cons

183* still xd

trade couldve went sideways because i didnt follow protocol but to be honest i didnt pay attention that the mss was invalidated till i was already in the trade 😄

[west berry]

For real lol 😂

[hearty rivet]

i was only risking 30 ticks so not a big problem

now i journal it that it was a premature trade

[random sage]

banngg

[cloud cipher]

when you have had 6 different ST before 1130 am its a crap day lol

[bold latch]

What mss stands for?

[hearty rivet]

market structure shift

[night flicker]

damn made a few mistakes today

[hearty rivet]

same

[night flicker]

market not worth trading tbh

smal loss but still a loss

weird to have a loss with the strategy

[hearty rivet]

100&

wait for pm session

[night flicker]

I think I will end they day here actually

tomorrow will be a better one

[west berry]

Oh you took that smart trail I did too Dow 300 bucks

[hearty rivet]

nice

[night flicker]

not touching indicators lol

[hearty rivet]

we are witinessing silver bullet rn

but there is huuggeee liquidity pool down there

[night flicker]

where?

[hearty rivet]

rn on nq

10 am - 11 pm

[night flicker]

yep

and CVD is bearish

BIG bearish

I want to short this lmao

this looks like a nice sweep to that previous high

it has liquidity at 955.5 to take first though

[hearty rivet]

Shorts still in play

Algo will not push without taking those liquidity below

[night flicker]

wait for the higher sweep

[hearty rivet]

Impossible

[night flicker]

970

thats the liquidity

[hearty rivet]

Bro

Can you open bookmap real quick

[night flicker]

lmao just breaks

open

we don't have much higher orders

still buyers though

[hearty rivet]

NQ 14889

[night flicker]

look at the bubbles

[hearty rivet]

How’s it on Bookmap

[night flicker]

heatmap showed high liq at 955.5 and then on 970

broke both without caring enough

[hearty rivet]

Ya

[night flicker]

it now has at 15000

[hearty rivet]

Could u check pls

889 level

[night flicker]

small liq

compared to 15000

which is the magnet rn I think

[hearty rivet]

Really

Damn

[night flicker]

better

[hearty rivet]

ty

waiting for NY AM session to close in 30 min

we will sweep that shit

[night flicker]

we still have buying bubbles at the top so buying power isn't dead yet

how many trades do you get a day usually?

with the session liq sweeps?

[hearty rivet]

im on holiday now

so ill take every trade i see

usually 3-4 a day

[night flicker]

oh nice

so we look for liq sweep of previous session -> MSS -> entry at FVG basically?

[hearty rivet]

exactly

now we just filling huge imbalance from yesterday

[night flicker]

15k soon

[hearty rivet]

algos stop working at 12 pm

they return at 1.30 pm

[cloud cipher]

@random sage is the ST tap still valid during lunch hour even though everything slows down ?

[random sage]

idk tbh

id still get in there

[hearty rivet]

40 min till NY AM session closes

price is near it

[night flicker]

what indicator are you using for the sessions?

forgot to check that in the video

[hearty rivet]

link is in there

[night flicker]

that indicator doesn't exist anymore

[hearty rivet]

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/DmtIXjIH/?symbol=BINANCE%3ABTCUSDT

use my loadout

it has 2 ICT concepts open, toggle one for longs one for shorts

[cloud cipher]

close enough to ST cloud we only need one good wick and we are in for the ST tap

but we are also running sidewas

[warm coral]

https://www.tradingview.com/script/tL6KJXTA-Session-Range-Highs-and-Lows-Liquidity-Tracker/

[cloud cipher]

so it could just as easy be the top of the hill and moving back down

[west berry]

I hope we sweep ny am on es and have just this one mss trade

[hearty rivet]

ye

lets hop on a vc in 10 min

[west berry]

👌

[cloud cipher]

im not in a place i can easily talk, but hopefully yall dont mind if i listen in?

just broke yesterdays high

[west berry]

Yeah

[hearty rivet]

btw guys are you familiar with NWOG and NDOG

that is an area of target

once you enter your trade you can aim for those zones

atm price is near NWOG

about 80 ticks away, price may want to fill that

[west berry]

Nq or es

[hearty rivet]

thats good though, we are looking for a sweep

both

i saw on nq

we are near NWOG

huge imbalance within NWOG

its a beautiful target

[west berry]

How are this played I know about them but I don’t know how it’s played

[hearty rivet]

its near at the sweep we looking for

its like a gap

like an imbalance price wants to fill

[west berry]

That’s need to filled

[hearty rivet]

yeah

about to fill it

we gonna have a banging short soon

[west berry]

Ndog is different from nwog

Weeekly and daily

[hearty rivet]

yep

we are far from NDOG

that could be our target during short

[night flicker]

you want to enter at NWOG?

[west berry]

About to fill it

[hearty rivet]

nah

i want it to get filled

[night flicker]

so the short would be at the top of it basically?

[hearty rivet]

nah same setup

[west berry]

To my understanding we wait for ny pm look for a sweep then

[hearty rivet]

sweep MSS fvg entry

but we must fill even partially the NWOG

thats a whole weeks gap that price must fill like an imbalance but stronger

once thats out of the way then we can say bye bye to longs

NWOG and NDOG are always to be used as targets only

if there is one near our potential trade we must take it into account

if its far then ignore it,

its a target of algos

extremely powerful because most people dont know about it or dont know how to utilize it

and its filled 🙂

[random sage]

short season?

[hearty rivet]

9 min till am session closes

then we can prepare the sweep

[wraith wharf]

ES bounced off daily FVG and headed higher. Draw on liquidity is 4427 now. And we have low resistance liquidity above that.
This looks like we can take a small pull back and go higher.

[night flicker]

yeah we can catch a nice 10 points pullback easily on this

even more mb

if es gives us a pull back on that move it'll be pretty big

[acoustic mist]

Can u tell for Indian Indices @hearty rivet

[wraith wharf]

ES has swept some BSL small rejection from the FVG and OB. I'd wait for more confirmation

[night flicker]

yep, saw that too.. it has FVG on the 1m that it reacted to but I think it will break

but we had a small MSS + FVG as well

[cloud cipher]

purple tap

[wraith wharf]

Get it boys!

[night flicker]

@wraith wharf I am thinking of shorting when it breaks the small support

[past jungle]

Plan B: OG short strat below trail and ema

[night flicker]

Heatmap shows not much liq above price

[night flicker]

you shorted?

[past jungle]

Screenshot plz?

[acoustic mist]

@wraith wharf can you help me wat indicator u r using MSB

[cloud cipher]

yeah get what? lol

nothing broken yet

[wraith wharf]

Nope not going to be in the market till Thursday. I've got no WiFi where I'm at and my service is spotty

[night flicker]

you think a short is worth here when support broken?

thats my idea atm

NQ almost filled 50% of NWOG and got rejection

ES hit 15m FVG

the only problem with the FVG is that it was a while back

[wraith wharf]

It's a different paid indicator that I don't use to often. I wouldn't trust that MSB part of it either. I just use it for their pivots

[night flicker]

@hearty rivet what are you looking at?

[wraith wharf]

Yeah still useable while looking at the OB. You can take this short

[night flicker]

waiting for small resistance to break

[acoustic mist]

MSB with OB 👍

[night flicker]

in lmao

we are supposed to ride for a while aren't we?

I mean, its 15m FVG and OB so we want a big reaction here not a small one

[acoustic mist]

@night flicker Check an FVG 1h and FVG in 5min 👍

[night flicker]

1H was hit perfectly but not sure how much weight it has

[wraith wharf]

My only issue is that the trend is so strong

[night flicker]

yep, we have a strong up momentum yet I think it will reverse soon and give us a nice pull back

[acoustic mist]

@night flicker Tp 30 to 40 ticks it will be an great one

[random sage]

Wow ive blown 10 accounts in like 2 days

I need a break lol

[past jungle]

Whyyyy your excel spreadsheet shows chefs kiss

[hearty rivet]

I’m at the barber

I’m relying on you guys for this next trade

Keep and eye for sweep MSs and fvg

This low few candles before can be our chance for MSs

Ramsey check what on Indian indices,

?

[random sage]

Just cant execute at home got to much shit going on

[acoustic mist]

Session high and low @hearty rivet

[hearty rivet]

Just use the indicator in my video

It plots it for you automatically

[acoustic mist]

K bro

[west berry]

Am swept

[hearty rivet]

Awesome

[night flicker]

yeah we got a sweep now we need a rejection and MSS

[hearty rivet]

Yeah this low could give us a nice MSS for early entry

[acoustic mist]

@night flicker @hearty rivet oscillator matrix shows the rejection

[hearty rivet]

We don’t use indicators bro

[west berry]

How did you set this alert bro

[hearty rivet]

Price may hover in this NWOG

It acts as a POC point of control

Resistance if below support if above

Equilibrium if inside

Algos still asleep, they will wake up in 6 minutes if god allows

[west berry]

Lol or it might just be a full trend day

[hearty rivet]

We are overall bullish

But

Market goes up and down

Not in straight lines

We will catch the short

[wraith wharf]

ES DOL is 4427 NQ DOL is 15100. I won't short this until I see big displacement and a MSS

[hearty rivet]

That’s what we are waiting for my good friend 🙂

[west berry]

We can’t even play smart trail

[bold latch]

You guys use bookmap just to see heatmap lines and DOM or does it have another great usability?

[wraith wharf]

I don't use them. I do straight price action

[night flicker]

nah I am done for the day

wasn't even worth staying this late lmao

yesterday was good but I didn't enter and today was shit.. oh well

tomorrow I'll get it

[west berry]

Can’t even get a simple smart trail entry

[past jungle]

You don't always have to be trading folks. cash is a position

[cloud cipher]

this has to give out at some point

[wraith wharf]

Market does what it wants. Doesn't care about what we think lol. Ive seen days where it was straight up for two days without much of a pull back. We just gotta be patient.

[ancient marsh]

False

[hearty rivet]

Yo

We could be trying to get NY Am high liquidity

[west berry]

Lol 😂 I’m tired at this point lol 😂 I’m gonna go sleep 😴

And come back for this tomorrow

Our Strat is good market just have its own mind

[cloud cipher]

has anyone ever looked at the relation of the direction of the ST for the tap?

like i would think a strong upwards or downwards move makes for a good pullback tap and resume

whereas a flat smart trail (kinda of like we are transitioning to here) would not be as good

like pulling back and tapping here when ST is strongly trending up

compared to this

[west berry]

8 point there in 30 mes lol 😂

[ancient marsh]

👀

[west berry]

Quick scalp

[ancient marsh]

Easy winner

[west berry]

Smart trail 1/1 for the day

[past jungle]

Jeeeezuzzz I missed it i've been waiting all day. I look away for a few mins and bam

[west berry]

Lol I’m. Not letting @random sage flex that smart trail wins on me

[west berry]

Did you take it

Can we set an alert for the smart trail

Smart trail 30 mes cons 100 point or 80 point profit target 30 point stop loss

[cloud cipher]

i did

cut at 40 ticks as im still new to it

i was really late on the entry

it was already back above the ST cloud when i got in

now i have orders set and am watching it closely

[north marlin]

Anyone know a good prop firm for NQ futures?

[past jungle]

apextraderfunding.com

[ancient marsh]

Topstep

[wraith wharf]

We finally have good displacement and a FVG I'd wait for a BOS on this and retrace back to FVG for a short. But this late in I wouldn't trust it

[nocturne sigil]

new Lux indi looks pretty good

[night flicker]

whats the name of the indicator?

[wraith wharf]

That's the new PAC indicator?

[nocturne sigil]

Liquidity Sentiment Profile [LuxAlgo]

[nocturne sigil]

Liquidity Sentiment Profile [LuxAlgo]

[night flicker]

Liquidity Sentiment Profile [LuxAlgo]

jk lol

thanks I'll take a look at it

[wraith wharf]

Looks interesting, I'll check it out too

[nocturne sigil]

Look how many times it tapped that upper node

[west berry]

Lol mss fvg

[hearty rivet]

MSS

FVG

ger it boyssss

[west berry]

I’m on eval i can’t get it

Market closed

[hearty rivet]

Really

[west berry]

Damn

Yeah

[hearty rivet]

No it’s open for 50 more min

[west berry]

Evals even wants you to close your trades before new youk market close 5 min

5 min before New York close I’m using etf

[hearty rivet]

Nah

[west berry]

Or am I wrong

[hearty rivet]

Up 100 bucks

[west berry]

Up 200

Let’s go

[hearty rivet]

Nice

So annoying

The setup we waited for

Happend now when market will close soon

I wish we can ride over night

[west berry]

Lol it’s annoying will have to cut this at 3:40 cst

[cloud cipher]

Well crap

I missed it

Had it all day, played the close on ES

then walked away from computer lol

[west berry]

Lol 😂

[cloud cipher]

Well can at least see one happening insuppose

Looks good from the sidelines lol

[west berry]

I’m pretty sure we would get some tomorrow

[cloud cipher]

I need to grab a few more apex accounts.
I only did 1 con on the ST i took because i didn’t wanna ruin the gains i had taken throughout the day in case it lost. I need to get an account just for ST tap

[west berry]

Cool

Might be taking this 200 and off with it lol

[hearty rivet]

Yeah enjoy it

After market open in 1 hour

You can renter

It didn’t enter fvg yet so we shouldn’t be in a trade anyway haha

[west berry]

Close my trade

[hearty rivet]

Beautiifull

[west berry]

5 nq cons thanks Atleast we got something imagine this on a 5 account that’s about 2k+ some change for the day

[cloud cipher]

I wondered about this - i didn’t know if that candle right after was considered in it

[hearty rivet]

Nah it must enter it

[cloud cipher]

Gotcha. - i assumed i had just misunderstood things when i saw everyone say they were in lol

[west berry]

Lol my entry got you confused I was going with 10 con initially so I filled 5 there just in case we continue moving if we fill back up into the fvg would have taking another 5 con for the ride down

[cloud cipher]

I don’t have as much fomo now

😂

[west berry]

Lol 😂

[hearty rivet]

Lol yeah

Follow steps only not us

I take a risk doing this and it’s not worth it

[hearty rivet]

That wick formed the fvg

[cloud cipher]

Wow

Didn’t pull back to the fvg - but bombed

ES actually had an official setup

With the pullback into it

[hearty rivet]

No problem

If first fvg not hit

Take next fvg entry

I wish market close didn’t happen, I could’ve held that trade

[west berry]

Same here

[cloud cipher]

Nq pretty much FVG all the way down and never pulled back up lol

Looks like ES was the winner with playing out properly

[cloud cipher]

ES another fvg - but the first hit already

[hearty rivet]

Can always take second fvg

Now we are approaching NY PM low

So any shorts should be closed here

[west berry]

That’s was a 4k trade easily damn

[random sage]

smart traillllll

record day/ week lol

this is so beautiful

quant then right to a smart trail bounce

shit i dream about

[cloud cipher]

So at what point would you not take a second fvg?

I guess what I’m saying is - seems like any fvg could be taken

Or is it the fact it’s still moving in the same direction

@random sage i can code pinescript - can you think of anything that could help with alerting for the smart trail Strat? I was thinking maybe a definable distance from the edge of the cloud? Right now the alert is once it’s in it. But what if we got the alert when it was less that X ticks away from the edge of it. So anytime price was between the set distance and the smart trail cloud it would alert.

I currently have alert for entering the trail, but if it’s a fast candle, by the time i flip over it’s already out of it again (i still enter but miss out on ticks)

[cloud cipher]

Might give us a little warning to flip over and be ready.

[random sage]

Ya pretty much gotta be watching the charts with this and keep an eye it happens so quick

[hearty rivet]

Session low taken 15 min ago

[hearty rivet]

You can take any fvg after to add position or renters until opposite liquidity taken

[west berry]

Mss about to happen here

[night flicker]

but no FVG...

[west berry]

We have an inverse fvg hopefully we get an fvg and this would be a fire play

[night flicker]

this candle will create the FVG

[west berry]

Yup

[night flicker]

did you enter?

it re-touched it a candle after

or are we waiting for it to move a bit from the FVG?

@hearty rivet do we take this?

[tawny pulsar]

good morning everyone

is anyone here using Fibonacci?

if so, how do you draw the lines, please?

i am having trouble finding a way, such:
higher and lower levels,
starting from the top to the bottom
or from the bottom to the top

[night flicker]

@west berry

[west berry]

Yes

I’m still in

[night flicker]

where did you place SL and TP?

[west berry]

In the fvg

Elbow the mss

[night flicker]

and tp where?

[west berry]

First tp 15051

Second tp 15058.75

[night flicker]

I think TP should be higher

[west berry]

For real I just don’t like this movement

Probably it’s due to London session but I could raise my stop and tp and just trail

[night flicker]

thats pre market for you

finally moved lmao

[west berry]

First tp hit lol

[night flicker]

nice

im gonna ride it for longer

[west berry]

Sweet

[west berry]

You want 15080

[night flicker]

15087

but I won't ride till there

[west berry]

It’s moving

[night flicker]

not in my favor lmaoo

[west berry]

Lol 😂

Back to the fvg

[night flicker]

that was a good target lol

[hearty rivet]

yo

just got on

[west berry]

I didn’t take my second tp was gonna hold with you lol

[night flicker]

lmao

I changed the target to that high

58.25

but we are still supposed to go for the full move

should I be greedy?

[hearty rivet]

nice we got a setup

[night flicker]

yep

Luke where you think TP?

[hearty rivet]

london high is a good tp

next tp could be 50% fib from previouis session low and high

this is a beautiful setup btw

[night flicker]

fuck it I ride till 70

yeah, we are suppsoed to take the retest on the FVG

we entered too soon

the only problem is that it didn't actually hit FVG like it is supposed to

[hearty rivet]

im not a fan of fvg getting retested on the immediate next candle, price should pump abit further then retrace back to fvg

[west berry]

Lol 😂

[hearty rivet]

but not a problem

tight sl

[night flicker]

where sl?

thinking of moving to that wick

[hearty rivet]

your sl can be around the lowest wick of the candle that formed the displacement/fvg

[night flicker]

31?

[hearty rivet]

but give it some room put it on the wick of the candle before

this would be more than enough, depending on how many cons u got in

[night flicker]

will you move your SL?

[hearty rivet]

if 1-2 keep it on second pic, if more than on first one

did you take a partial at this zone?

[night flicker]

nope

[hearty rivet]

okay

[night flicker]

I think I will exit 2 contras now though

I have 5 in

[hearty rivet]

how many are u in

holy shit

[night flicker]

5 micro

[hearty rivet]

lmao

[night flicker]

dw

[hearty rivet]

ohhh

bet

[night flicker]

yeah

when account will get bigger I will grow the entries

[hearty rivet]

im up 300$ rn

had a late entry cuz i was walking

[night flicker]

wait

[west berry]

Lest gooooooooo

[night flicker]

I can't close partial

oh well

[night flicker]

don't think I can at least

[hearty rivet]

you can

[night flicker]

I exit at 70

[hearty rivet]

just click sell mkt for 1

[night flicker]

wait lets see

[west berry]

London highs next

[hearty rivet]

im in 1 con for $300 thats great

im gonna hold

till london high

[night flicker]

yep sold 2

[hearty rivet]

nice

keep a con or two to run

[hearty rivet]

my guy ❤️

[night flicker]

[west berry]

Damn

[night flicker]

broo

[hearty rivet]

this is gonna be a sweet long