Tinkers Post - Please put your favorite combos here

[rare zodiac]

let's just not

[chilly ibex]

don't follow the official wiki, emper added custom recipes for additional slots

[hot coral]

Thanks, Ill go check that

[chilly ibex]

follow our spreadsheet in pinned messages

[hot coral]

( Honestly the spreadsheet is a information overload kinda sheet )

[chilly ibex]

it's got pretty much 99% of what you need for tinker's except recommendations because no one submits them

it's not overload at all, just a bunch of numbers

[rare zodiac]

Where? Pinned messages?

Oh yeah

[chilly ibex]

if you're on mobile swipe left to open the member list and it's at the top

on PC it's kinda in the same spot

[rare zodiac]

Well time to figure out best combos

Brb

[chilly ibex]

spreadsheet is REALLY stupid on mobile because it's almost impossible to scroll the different pages

[rare zodiac]

Wish we had enchant/modifier description on the right of this, would have helped determine what's the best Armor Material and Maille material instead of relying on arbitrary toughness/armor points

[hot coral]

[fickle barn]

Netherite/osgloglas blade, enderium blade, fluix ion container, any tough handle with decent melee speed modifier (osgloglas and one of the neodymiums had a pretty good one iirc)

5x swiftstrike ex

1-2x resonance amplifier

1-2x tank

Regular swiftstrike/sharpness

[rare zodiac]

how do i remove a modifier?

[quaint onyx]

Modifier workbench. You need sponges + a slime crystal. Which crystal depends on the modifier being removed

[river crown]

you only need the slime crystal if you want to reuse the modifier

and the sponge has to be wet

[chilly ibex]

there's a tab specifically for trait descriptions?

[rare zodiac]

yeah that i saw, but wouldnt hurt for it to be side by side so it makes it slightly easier to deal with

wait lemme make a copy

[chilly ibex]

what do you mean..

you mean adding a note? no one's going to see that

[rare zodiac]

something like this (excuse my pathetic attempt at making a spreadsheet)

basically what trait (if any) we would get if we were to use the material

makes it easier to theorycraft outside of game & using JEI

[chilly ibex]

eh

i think if it pushes the player to use JEI, then it's a good idea to keep it like it is... i'm sorry but not a lot of players even know what JEI is

[rare zodiac]

exactly

[chilly ibex]

so then you agree

[rare zodiac]

plus yk its hard to keep track of all stuf/what it does in JEI

[chilly ibex]

not really

you can just bookmark the material and you'll be able to see what it does at all times

[rare zodiac]

fair nuff, ill just use it for my reference then ehe

[chilly ibex]

now that i look at the spreadsheet again, i'm not sure why some of the materials have traits listed as N/A...

don't remember

[rare zodiac]

yea many of the armor materials dont have traits listed in traits section

[chilly ibex]

the spreadsheet needs to be worked on a bit anyway, and the ones who actually did the information part aren't active anymore

[rare zodiac]

sad ;-;

[chilly ibex]

i did a LITTLE bit but i mainly just did the visuals

[fickle barn]

wait, adding a slime crystal alongside the sponge returns the items used to attach the modifier?

[river crown]

I think it likes stores the modifier in the crystal rather than returning the items, so you can use the crystal to add the modifier instead of the original items but you can't like use the items for something else

not 100% sure though since I've never done it

[pulsar lodge]

yeah, you get a crystal that can apply the modifier

[coral axle]

thanks!

Ah ok, thanks. Yeah there were a lot of books, and I think I made 5 of them. I think I have 3 left. I'll double check if I did the encyclopedia yet. This is super helpful. Yeah, some of the upgrades I need to realize only apply to a tool vs weapon or armor. That's tripped me up too, like the golden apple vs a disc providing more slots etc.

Is there still indestructibility in tinker's, or is that no longer a thing? Trying to figure out high tier over world armor, vs mid game, vs end-game. I have slimesteel, but not sure if that was still the go to like it was six years ago.

[pulsar lodge]

For unbreakability, there is still the Unbreakable modifier, but it is much more expensive now, requiring several other modifier slots to be used to even have the choice to apply it. ontop of that, it also requires Dragon's Breath, which is not the simplest thing to acquire when the end is a latergame thing.
There are other mechanics and material traits you can make use of to somewhat fill that hole, such as Overslime (potentially alongside the Overmending modifier from Tinker Tantrum), or Stoneshield (from the Whitestone material, made by casting Tin/Zinc/Alum over Stone parts).

[coral axle]

ooo, thanks appreciate the tips. Yeah I currently have slimesteel, so I do have overslime, though it still feels like a bit of a pain since I'm unable to apply slime while I'm on the go, but that's totally fair since it's harder, and the challenge is nice. Though the description is a bit aloof at least to me about being able to apply more slime since it's made of slimesteel? I'm not sure I'm making sense, but ultimately the way I read the description for slimesteel for armor is that you can apply more slime HP and stack it via upgrades, but it won't let me add another slime ingot to make that happen. So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do as I do have upgrade slots and on some items I still have defense slots.

[pulsar lodge]

yeah so the thing with how Overslime works is that you fill it up with slimeballs, vanilla or tinkers' ones, each type has its own charge level it adds, more difficult to get providing greater recharge.

i'm pretty sure this does get mentioned in some places within the ingame doc, JEI recipes for each slime existing also heavily imply such though

but i can see how you might have come to your initial interpretation, it's a bold assumption though.

[coral axle]

Ohhh, ok. So it's based off the type of slime you use to repair, instead of imbuing it. Ok, I didn't understand that as I think with my earlier tools I created it instructed me to put it on the smelting table thing, and pour slime over it, so I figured it'd be similar to that except it would have the ability to level like haste or fortune. Appreciate the clarification.

[coral axle]

ahhh, I was thinking of overcast

[random hornet]

Was there an ability or modifier that would let my pickaxe dig 3x3 like a hammer? Idk if I'm shuffling thru all the mods and I missed or my brain doing a mandela effect on me

[quaint onyx]

Iirc it’s a modifier named Expanded

You’ll need it x2 for the 3x3 I think

[manic mortar]

Sorry, i'm finalizing the ion cannon per your suggestions, but..what do you mean with "Resonance Amplifier"? I can't find anything about it :/ Moreover, i put th 5x swiftstrike, but what do you mean by "regular swiftstrike"? It's me or tinker tools cannot be enchanted with regular meanings beside upgrades?

[fickle barn]

I think thats what the modifier was called.

The one that increases the projectile range by 10 metres/level.

calibrated sculk sensor + echo shard

Regular swiftstrike is just amethyst crystals.

U can put both swift ex and regular swift to stack the fire rate up

[manic mortar]

Ah i did not know that, i used the blocks for swiftestestrike but i did not know they could stack

[fickle barn]

U want to use the first mod slots for 5 levels of swift ex as that is the biggest DPS impact any of the modifiers can give by a big margin.

Beyond that its rly just down to what u want to ads

[manic mortar]

Still don't found anything about the resonance amplifier tho, i must be blind

[fickle barn]

Could have been removed idk

[manic mortar]

i searched every modifier and ability but did not found it

[fickle barn]

Its echo shard + the sculk sensor thats surrounded by few amethyst crystals in a crafting table

[manic mortar]

if it's for range i think they removed it cause it was bugged and not working

[fickle barn]

Iirc its right after deep catalysis in the manual

If it had actually been removed, could just put something like extra tank/sharpness level

Leviathan, and ignis to some extent (if doing the freeze method) were probs the only times where the extra distance was truly useful

Otherwise it was just a bit of QoL

Can never go wrong with a slightly bigger ammo capacity

[manic mortar]

could use auto-shot to fire when charged or it's kinda a waste? Given it's just an extra

[fickle barn]

Its a pretty nice one

I like it

[still iron]

is there 1 tinker tool i can use to mine all types of blocks?

[still iron]

just made me a cleaver any ideas on what modifiers i should add?
I am in normal atm but am going into hard in 1h
so please let me know about future modifiers i should aswell

[fickle barn]

Swiftstrike and sharpness

[quaint onyx]

If you have found a primordial cave, i recommend adding Primordial strength

+2 dmg per level is pretty big

[chilly ibex]

i don't think so aside from matter manipulator

[still iron]

i will take those 2 modifications into account

[rare zodiac]

what else can i apply?

[quaint onyx]

Can imbue it with an iron’s spell

I like oakskin since it’s a pretty good damage reduction

[quartz atlas]

What is the best armor for Expert Mode? I don't see anything about it on the sheet.

[chilly ibex]

The spreadsheet just has armor/toughness values and trait descriptions. No one really submits recommendations

Blaze netherite and blizz enderium is usually for expert

[quartz atlas]

Is one better than the other or just preference?

[chilly ibex]

tinker's armor has 2 parts you know

it's not recommended you have an entire tool/armor set made of one material

[quaint onyx]

Personally I recommend Blaze Netherite + Cobalt

You can just set yourself on fire or take a lava bath for easy repairs, and get innate melee protection to boot

Plus the extra armor toughness from it being netherite

[still iron]

i used a gold apple on my pic and hammer now i cant get luckiest on it is there a cheap upgrade slot i can add?

[pulsar lodge]

for an Ability slot, which is what Lucky requires, no.
your main options for that are Quantum Technology and Draconic, only the former is available prior to the end for the most part. though you could always undo the Gilded modifier at the Modifier Worktable. you'd need to free up enough slots though, potentially by removing other modifiers.

[still iron]

alright that sounds good

[low apex]

would a fluix handle and fluix binding be a good set up for a early pickaxe? (got the quartz from a mason im still pre nether)

[rare zodiac]

i think you can probably do better with hammer that someone posted here earlier

oh nvm

thats for mining out stone

[chilly ibex]

Hammer typically has higher durability but lower mining speed

[rare zodiac]

how do i get more durability on this lol

[chilly ibex]

You'd generally want 2 mining tools

at least for early game

[low apex]

mainly needing something that has super good fortune as im wanting to maximize my ore gains early on

[chilly ibex]

You could silk touch ores and then process them in a smeltery

Iirc the smeltery has a 1:2.6 ratio for ores specifically? For raw stuff, it's only 1.3

[low apex]

yeah

[chilly ibex]

You'd have to have fortune 4+ for even a chance to have better rates

[rare zodiac]

ik this is just final view of chosen materials but, anyway i can see what materials i can apply?

i still dont lowkey understand upgrades and modifiers

for now i have just added a diamond & emerald

[chilly ibex]

Wdym what materials you can apply...

[rare zodiac]

Like materials like diamonds or emeralds, what else can i apply

[chilly ibex]

You realize you have a whole LIST of modifiers on the right side, yea?

You can search over 90% of them in JEI

[rare zodiac]

thanks makes it much easier

[quaint onyx]

Imo you just need diamond on weapons

Emerald is just durability and you’re not gonna chew through a cleaver’s durability that fast

[rare zodiac]

No quartz for sharpness?

[quaint onyx]

Oh I meant for the ones you had rn

[rare zodiac]

Also lowkey don't understand slots either

[quaint onyx]

Okay lemme see if I can explain

[rare zodiac]

Thank you

[quaint onyx]

Modifiers enhance your tinkers gears in various ways (check each modifier description).
However all modifiers eat a slot. Which slot depends on the modifier.

All tinkers stuff has Upgrade Slots.
Armor has Defense Slots.
Tools and weapons have Ability Slots.

And then you have Slotless modifiers, which are either cosmetic, or grant you more slots of a certain kind

[quaint onyx]

But yeah you’ll want to put sharpness on weapons. However if you have access to a primordial cave, it’s more worth to get primordial strength 2 since it’s more damage for the slots used

[rare zodiac]

So basically.
In very simple terms

Everything has Upgrade Slot that takes material.

Like diamond for durability.

So for Armor Leggings, what slot does Redstone go for movement haste?

Like I added redstone blocks for +10% movement speed. Is that ability slot?

[quaint onyx]

Diamond for durability and bonus stats*

If you look at JEI, you’ll see that the “Speedy” Modifier just asks for restore to apply. That’s the modifier you are getting when you put restore on your legs. And right there at the bottom of the JEI description you’ll be able to hover your mouse to see it consumes and Upgrade Slots

You will have to use JEI to see what each Modifier asks for. Both material wise and Slot wise

[rare zodiac]

I see

[quaint onyx]

For example. Primordial strength needs an Amber Curiosity and Two Amber Blocks, but the blocks have to split in the UI.

But then Primordial Strength 2 asks for an Amber Curiosity and 4 Amber blocks also split in the UI

If you just try to slap materials blindly you’ll never get something productive aside from the very basic stuff

[rare zodiac]

Also, can I get some info which Tinkers version of mod is this? I looked for Wiki and found V1-1.71.0 , V2 - 1.12 and V3-1.16 but those were really incomplete

[rare zodiac]

Yeah I am hella confused about slots, modifiers, and stuff that I seriously cannot comprehend. It took me around 4 days just to comprehend how to get smeltry and alloys going.

[quaint onyx]

Best way to go about it is to hover over your tinkers gear and press “U” (default key bind). There’s going to be a tab which shows all modifiers that piece can get, along with the necessary materials and the slot needed

[rare zodiac]

Thank you I just needed what I can "potentially" apply on item so that I could theorycraft a build than just blindly look up traits/spreadsheets while having 0 clue about slots and stuff. I'll check it out tomorrow.

Thanks again

[quaint onyx]

Yer welcome. Hopefully it helps things along for ya

[pulsar lodge]

the version from 1.16 onwards is currently TCon3.
and for the most part, the mod has pretty good ingame documentation in its books. the Tinkers Encyclopedia has detailed descriptions of what different modifiers do, and it's more mechanically precise than the short descriptions found in JEI or the other books.

[rare zodiac]

Yeah I had opened the encyclopedia. But my brain immediately shuts off when the book describes upgrade, abilities and stuff which is then further divided differently for every set of tools and some tools have access to a certain stuff and some other page calls it something else and armor pieces can also equip tools stuff.

I just wish, I could see a achievement-esque material definition ingame.

So like if I am in normal mode, just shows me a ? On whatever material I haven't found yet. Then I could have a Tinkers library like "Library of Alexandria or whatever it's called" drop my tinker materials in their and then look up simultaneously what I can add.

Probably a farfetched idea from what I am trying to describe

[pulsar lodge]

yeah that would be a little tricky for us to implement unfortunately

best thing we could do relatively easily would be add a %s Mode line to the tooltip of materials that aren't obtainable until that stage of progression

anything else is more complex and demands mixins or a custom thing and GUI code

[rare zodiac]

No worries, love your work with the pack. I just need to sit down and teach myself for a good 3-4 hours so I grasp the basics

[steady dust]

does anyone know a good normal difficulty maille to add to my amethyst bronze and or a good pickaxe mix?

or a good weapon mix

[chilly ibex]

you can't go wrong with steel

[steady dust]

Thanks :)

[chilly ibex]

not a lot of good pickaxe materials early game but electrum for xp and bronze is decent

[steady dust]

Might just stick to my diamond one for till the gang decides to open to nether

[fickle barn]

Steel and manasteel are pretty much bis ethical normal mode materials

Doing some questionable cheeses can get you expert and even some expert+ materials

[steady dust]

Mm I do indeed enjoy cheese

[devout sparrow]

Is somebody able to explain me a few confusions i have about tinkers

i struggle currenntly knowing what core or type of gear, addons, modifiers or upgrades i should be making or using, i've watched a few videos and gone through the encyclopedia as well as read the tinker books but i dont feel like i've gotten a proper definitive answer anywhere

i've gone to the nether, but i sturggle with making "proper" equipment for anything from digging to armor to swords. Everything i make feels in effective and i dont really know the exact materials i should be making my core out of nor what exactly i should slap on as upgrades on some of the gear / armor

[chilly ibex]

go into pinned messages and there's a spreadsheet. you can also plan your weapons/tools by going into a tinker's anvil and clicking the blue icon above the output slot and you can plan any tool or weapon out but armor isn't possible sadly

[devout sparrow]

Yeah i noticed that but i cant do it for example for the hammer which im trying to make one now sadly

[chilly ibex]

what are you trying to do exactly

[devout sparrow]

Well theoretically as an example for the hammer right now.

I would be likely trying to achieve the highest durability with mining speed on it, no?

so i would base my core items and handle and head and plating on the type that gives me the most of that?

[chilly ibex]

you'd want more mining speed because hammers generally have quite a bit of durability by default

you're in the nether right? or no

[devout sparrow]

correct

[chilly ibex]

ok so, in the tinker's planner GUI, you can actually sort the materials for whatever stat you need and then just go off of the spreadsheet for the right materials

[devout sparrow]

Well the attempt i had with trying to make a hammer currently was that i put on redstone twice on the modifier and now when i tried to put diamond it said that i need 1 more modifier slot?

[chilly ibex]

right because each level of haste uses an upgrade slot

[devout sparrow]

annd then i was wondering how people get a bunch of slots like this on hammers

[chilly ibex]

creative slot? wtf

[devout sparrow]

idk what most of these mean lol...

[devout sparrow]

like this?

[chilly ibex]

yes

[devout sparrow]

but when u have mostly 3 upgrade slots on an item how can u end up with hastestest?

[quaint onyx]

If you hold shift, the tooltip will say how many slots you have left to apply your modifiers.

[chilly ibex]

autosmelt is self explanatory
hastiest is max efficiency iirc?
emerald is extra durability
tasty allows you to EAT your tool.......
experienced gives extra XP for mobs/ores
pierce ignores a portion of armor
dwarven iirc lets you mine faster the deeper you are underground

[devout sparrow]

yes but are those then cosindered "modifiers" or "abillities"

[chilly ibex]

it's all considered modifiers but there's 3 different categories, kinda 4.....

[devout sparrow]

because if u see my hammer here it says abillities: 1

this was the first hammer i failed to make, i made it all out of invar which i shouldn't have... because it apparently only gives melee % ?

[chilly ibex]

upgrades
abilities
defense

and there's one more where parts themselves have unique traits and we've called them "innate" modifiers

[quaint onyx]

You add more slots by applying Slotless Modifiers.

Wrought needs a Thousand Metal ingot and adds + 1 Upgrade slot.

Resurrected needs an End Crystal and adds an Upgrade slot.

Harmonious needs any music disc and adds an Upgrade Slot.

Draconic needs a Dragon head or a combo of end dragon mats and adds an Ability slot.

There are many other modifiers that grant slots. You’ll have to look at JEI for those

[chilly ibex]

so i see you have one ability slot....you can either what i recommend doing is adding LUCK which is basically fortune/looting or you can add a regular gold apple to trade that ability slot for TWO upgrade slots

[devout sparrow]

Yes well, i will be remaking that hammer from scratch as i said i used invar on the handle which only gives me 15% melee damage or something like that lol

but is there a reason a bunch of people use cobalt as core for a lot of things?

[chilly ibex]

cobalt has decent tool usage but it's better for armor because it has built-in melee protection

[devout sparrow]

^^
where can i read or learn more about these

[chilly ibex]

the spreadsheet

[devout sparrow]

those aren't a part of tinkers? or are they

[chilly ibex]

they're custom recipes so they won't show up literally anywhere else except JEI
most are custom

[quaint onyx]

JEI. Press “U” (default keybind) when hovering over a piece of tinker’s gear and there will be a tab that shows all possible modifiers that gear can receive

[chilly ibex]

the tab icon is an anvil being hammered on

[quaint onyx]

The Slotless Modifiers are usually at the end of said tab (before the trims on armor, since those are cosmetic)

[chilly ibex]

most slotless are cosmetic but the ones that aren't add slots of some kind

[quaint onyx]

Are you in-game rn? If yes can you send a screenshot of said tab

I want to point out smth important

[chilly ibex]

lucky is an exception. the first level requires an ability slot but tier 2 and 3 don't require slots

[devout sparrow]

looking at the armor here for example, i think somebody in the MCE General mentioned that protection % matters more?

so how do i know which i should go for as my core armor piece then

[devout sparrow]

[chilly ibex]

armor matters less and less the further you go, so increasing other areas of protection are important, such as melee protection or revitalized for extra health

[devout sparrow]

and those are upgrades / modifiers?

[chilly ibex]

that's a whole other thing

both are DEFENSE modifiers for armor

[devout sparrow]

there is so much different its confusing to know kinda which path to head then to make what u need?

i thought im mostly meant to figure out modifiers by applying things like diamonds or emerald and so on to my core of armor which was meant to be strong

[chilly ibex]

you can still add diamond/emerald/netherite because it adds more durability but as i said before, armor and toughness matter less and less the further you go, like into progression

[devout sparrow]

is thats why everyone mostly does cobalt + something else?

[chilly ibex]

yea, for the melee protection

the idea is to find traits that give you other forms of protection, like straight damage reduction

revitalized is good too because it gives extra health and it can be stacked multiple times per armor piece

[quaint onyx]

The anvil tab, please. That’s the modifiers

[devout sparrow]

this?

[chilly ibex]

yup

[devout sparrow]

and by doing that i will get "abillities"

like on this tab is it shows how i get autosmelt on my hammer?

[chilly ibex]

yea

nether star means it's an ability, blue book means slotless

[devout sparrow]

slotless?

[chilly ibex]

slotless means it doesn't require any slots to be used

scroll to the last page

[devout sparrow]

also do u know how i can get blaze blood?

[chilly ibex]

have you tried JEI, the thing you're using right now?

[devout sparrow]

so these i can apply just if i want to?

without using any slots?'

like modifier slots

[chilly ibex]

yea

[devout sparrow]

?

[chilly ibex]

hover over the blue book

[devout sparrow]

i see

but u can increase modifier slots but not abillity slots?

it says Melee Protection I can u stack this to x amount?

[chilly ibex]

hover over the stair looking icon

[devout sparrow]

or can u increase the slots on everything? like defense on armor

yup "requires 1 abillity slot to apply"

the star

[chilly ibex]

not the chestplate, the STAIRS

[devout sparrow]

this

[chilly ibex]

yes

you need to make multiple of the item for a full level, similarly to haste or sharp

[devout sparrow]

so if i would use that one as shown in the recipe it wouldn't use a "defense" slot then?

[chilly ibex]

i think it still does, but you won't get the full level

you'd need to have 5 of the melee protection pattern for 1 full level i'm pretty sure

[quaint onyx]

This icon will change depending on the modifier. It’s the Slot cost to apply said modifier. Nether Star is Ability, anvil is Upgrade, chestpiece is Defense and a blue book is Slotless (does not eat a Slot)

[devout sparrow]

okay thats good, so i just stack the melee protection i several times to get lvl 5 and then it uses 1 slot?

[quaint onyx]

Everything you put onto Tinkers gear is a modifier

But it all eats a different type of Slot

[devout sparrow]

Yeah i understood that now

[chilly ibex]

no, each level of melee protection uses a slot

[devout sparrow]

but when i only have 3 slots on an armor how come can u achieve max ?

[chilly ibex]

if you wanted melee prot 2, you'd have to have 2 defense slots

[devout sparrow]

okay so u cant make all in one armor?

[quaint onyx]

Across all armor pieces it adds up

[chilly ibex]

we've mentioned modifiers for more slots multiple times now

[devout sparrow]

ah so i dont make a full armor set with melee protection all pieces?

[chilly ibex]

technically you can but don't need to

if you hover over the modifier name itself in that tab, it should tell you how much protection each level gives

melee protection stacks up to 80%, anything more does nothing

[devout sparrow]

i thought it was purely for the upgrade slots like diamonds, emeralds etc...

sorry

[chilly ibex]

there's modifiers that add slots of each type

[quaint onyx]

You need 10 levels of melee prot to hit the 80% cap.

So you can have
2 levels on head
2 levels on chest
3 levels on legs
3 levels on boots

10 melee prot levels across your armor = 80% melee protection

[chilly ibex]

or you can do melee prot 5 on 2 pieces and still have the same result

[quaint onyx]

Yeah but that requires expanding Defense Slots with other Slotless modifiers

[chilly ibex]

you're gonna be doing that anyway at some point for revitalized

[quaint onyx]

Yeah but we get there when we get there

[chilly ibex]

well yea

[quaint onyx]

Guy needs to learn how everything works proper first

[chilly ibex]

i'm just pointing it out though

not a big deal

[chilly ibex]

btw, tinker's armor starts with 1 or 2 defense slots

[quaint onyx]

I had 3 on mine

Does it depend on material? Thought only rose gold changed that

[chilly ibex]

last i remember, it was 1 or 2

[quaint onyx]

Went for a Blaze Netherite + cobalt maile setup and had 3 defense slots to boot

[chilly ibex]

rose gold gives an extra upgrade modifier

[quaint onyx]

At least that’s what I remember it being

[chilly ibex]

i may remember wrong then, i don't remember how many defense slots my PNC steel armor set had when i made it the other night

[devout sparrow]

Okay i think i understood more now

When crafting core you look for the main modifiers the core brings rather than vanilla things the armor would bring such as general protection and main thing you care about is

Modifiers :
Defense
Abillities
Upgrades

and all of those i will see by pressing on a tinker equimpent with U and going anvil tab

And then u have different icons defining if its
Abillity, Slotless, Defense or Upgrade in the same tab and u upgrade your things based on what you need from these modifiers, nothing else than that

[quaint onyx]

I could be suffering memory loss though lol. An in game test would be best

[chilly ibex]

same, i'm getting over being sick lmao

[devout sparrow]

So if im looking for a hammer that will last me a bunch of time and will dig fast i will look through that tab to see what exactly i need for the hammer to be durable and fast? if i want abillities such as u said luck i can see that in the tab as well how to get more luck

[quaint onyx]

Yeah in essence that’s it. The most import things are the modifiers which grant wildly different capabilities.

And durability too. You don’t want to have to repair your stuff all the time lol

[chilly ibex]

yea, JEI will also list higher level incremental modifiers

luck > luckier > luckiest

[devout sparrow]

yeah so if i need a hammer with pure luck i'd do that i guess

[devout sparrow]

yeah thats with upgrades such as diamond and emerald

[chilly ibex]

if you're going for a good core, find a material that you can EASILY get in masse whenever you need it immediately

[devout sparrow]

each use one slot

[chilly ibex]

steel is a good material

the way repairing works in tinker's is that it uses the HEAD piece, so the hammer head, pickaxe head, large blade, blade, etc

[quaint onyx]

Yeah in essence that’s it.

One big recommendation I can give for hammer is: you don’t care about mining tier, and put a stone piece on the head/plate.

• don’t care about tier: You can add the Netherite modifier (or inherit it from handle/binding) and have the whole hammer mine at Netherite tier.

• Hammer head/plate: Due to not caring about mining tier, this allows for extremely easy repairs

[devout sparrow]

well i was looking a bit in the tinkers books and i saw that like the invar hammer i made i used invar for the handle which literally only gives melee %

[quaint onyx]

You can use copper or any other easy to get material for easy repairs

[chilly ibex]

there's not many materials in the game with netherite level mining honestly

[chilly ibex]

don't follow ingame guidebooks, use JEI and the spreadsheet in pinned messages

[quaint onyx]

Yeah you don’t want anything but mining speed % for the handle

[chilly ibex]

invar is a good material though

[quaint onyx]

(And durability, but that’s secondary if it’s easy repairs)

[devout sparrow]

yes but later i saw other materials would give me things like 15% durability

[chilly ibex]

i'll say it again but in the tinker's planner GUI, you can sort the material list to whatever stat you need the most of and then compare it to the spreadsheet for the correct difficulty mode

you can replace old parts without needing to make an entirely new tool

[devout sparrow]

what defines the resources i need to use for repairs, is that the head / plate? assuming u told me to use stone

[quaint onyx]

Anvil -> blueprint if you don’t know where to find it

[chilly ibex]

i said this 😭

[chilly ibex]

.

[quaint onyx]

Yeah the head of the tool determines repairs. In the case of hammer it’s both the tool head and the plates. Since everything is head essentially

[devout sparrow]

oh sorry didn't catch that message...

[chilly ibex]

use a material that's good in stats but also easy to obtain

like steel

[devout sparrow]

but the handle i make out of what gives me better buffs / stats no?

[chilly ibex]

late mid-game you won't need to worry about durability as much because you'll more than likely have access to voltaic crystal parts which essentially let your tools run off of RF and therefor be easily repaired

[devout sparrow]

am i able to mix plate and head or do both have to be same material?

[chilly ibex]

it's recommended to use as many different materials as possible whenever possible

[devout sparrow]

okay so i should mix the 2 plates ill use and the main hammer head

[chilly ibex]

basically

if it's a trait that has multiple levels and you think it's good, you're more than welcome to stack more than 1 part with that material

[devout sparrow]

got it, so when making my hammer

something available but durable for the head, plates for whatever stat extras / abillites i want as well as the handle

then find what else of slot modifiers i want on the hammes by using the U tab

is that correct

[chilly ibex]

the plates don't add stats iirc but those you're looking for the trait more than anything

wait, now i'm rethinking that...

[devout sparrow]

so lets say as an example if i used a copper plate, steel plate and my stone hammer head for example?

it wont use traits for all 3

[chilly ibex]

yes it will

[devout sparrow]

yeah

[chilly ibex]

it'll take the traits from every part

if 2 parts have the same trait, it'll stack them if possible

[devout sparrow]

but the plates itself dont add stats like durability

as u said

[chilly ibex]

i THINK but you can check for yourself in JEI

[devout sparrow]

alrighty

[chilly ibex]

just literally type plate and you can hold shift or ctrl over a random plate and you'll see if it adds just a trait or stats

[quaint onyx]

Traits are always used. And I’m fairly sure stats are used partially from the plates

[devout sparrow]

when i press shift or and control it just tells me their traits and stats if i used them i guess

[chilly ibex]

right

one keybind tells you stats, one gives you descriptions of the traits and what they do but some are....pretty vague

[quaint onyx]

You can read what each modifier does in full by putting the tool into a tinkers anvil and hovering over the modifiers

[devout sparrow]

or pressing U and scrolling through that?

Well thank you @quaint onyx and @chilly ibex for the help

i think i got it all now

[chilly ibex]

hitting U on individual parts no...JEI will just tell you the stats and other things you can do with that specific part as an individual item

[devout sparrow]

like this no?

[chilly ibex]

uhh kinda yea

[devout sparrow]

i thought he was speaking about modifiers

and not stats

stats yeah i understand i got all the books under there

with the

[chilly ibex]

but i mean like...an individual part like a pickaxe head or something, not the tool itself or modifier recipe

[devout sparrow]

material stats

[chilly ibex]

i still follow JEI lol

[devout sparrow]

you just search pickaxe head and just look through their stats?

[chilly ibex]

the only time i've used the tinker's books was to see how to make a smeltery/foundry

[chilly ibex]

stats, how to make it, and other...pointless uses

[devout sparrow]

i see yeah but book lists it way cleanner though

like this

[chilly ibex]

you know what, i just realized JEI shows a toolbuilding tab and it'll tell you which tools use like a pickaxe head or something

[quaint onyx]

Go to a tinkers anvil and press the blueprint button

It’s a whole planner that lets you plan out a tool in advance

[devout sparrow]

not the hammer

[chilly ibex]

i've mentioned the planner a few times already

couple are missing?

[quaint onyx]

Scroll the bar

It’s barely visible but there’s a bar there

[devout sparrow]

oh now i see

[quaint onyx]

It’s a bit finicky but it’s there

I planned out my hammers like this

[devout sparrow]

yeah this is a lot easier to plann

than sit and scroll everywhere...

[chilly ibex]

at the bottom you'll see the sort buttons

once you pick a tool layout and then a part you wanna choose a material for

[devout sparrow]

so choosing handle is mostly what perks i want for the hammer like durabillity and mining speed

[chilly ibex]

handle is kinda important for stats yea

[devout sparrow]

and the plates are mostly for the traits

[chilly ibex]

the head piece gives you exact numbers while the handle gives you a percentage increase/decrease

if you need ideas for plates, look for handles with bad durability but traits you like

it's my method of finding a good part, even if temporary

[devout sparrow]

shouldn't it be other way around?

[chilly ibex]

nono

[devout sparrow]

plate thats bad stats but proper traits

handle is % based

[chilly ibex]

that's exactly my point

if the handle has like -10% durability but a good trait you like, use it as a plate

[devout sparrow]

oh like that

bring the trait with the plate

[chilly ibex]

yup

[devout sparrow]

ah yeah i see

[chilly ibex]

lemme see if i can find an example....

[devout sparrow]

yeah i chose uhm

brass handle so far

there isn't everything i can get yet so its a bit hard choosing from the blueprints

[chilly ibex]

bad durability right? but the trait is nice and the plate variant has decent stats

[devout sparrow]

But i can also buff the hammer with extra shit inn the anvil in the end though?

yes

i see

[chilly ibex]

you can plan out your modifiers yea

the scroll is REALLY finnicky, i absolutely hate it...i wonder if emper could improve it

[devout sparrow]

so how much should i focus them when building the hamemr like the plates

like modifier over stats

when like

i can add them after the hammer is made

in the anvil

[chilly ibex]

wdym

i think i'm confusing myself trying to read that

[devout sparrow]

So

how good is it to prioritse plates having the good traits rather than stats

when i can later go into anvil and apply the traits

and make plates carry the proper stats

[chilly ibex]

you want good traits on the tool, i'd say it depends what you use the tool for honestly

[devout sparrow]

just diggin a lot and fast

thats will be my main usage

[chilly ibex]

like if you have a tool mainly for just excavating fast and then you have another tool that's mainly for fortune or silk touch

[devout sparrow]

idk what exact traits there are yet since im quite fresh with this

[devout sparrow]

yeah i had a pickaxe that i got from a chest? i think that had like a trait that picked up all the ore if i dug one ore and then auto smelted it and such

i'd focus having a pickaxe like that yeah

and then hammer for huge digging with a lot of durability and speed

but i wouldn

[chilly ibex]

for the excavating tool, you want high durability and high mining speed but for the fortune/silk tool you wouldn't need a lot of mining speed because you're mainly mining ores

[devout sparrow]

yes exactly

so thats why im wondering shouldn't my hammer plating prioritse then stats if im trying to achieve durability

[chilly ibex]

vein mine and autosmelt

[devout sparrow]

yeah

[chilly ibex]

sort the material list in the planner

[devout sparrow]

how important is "mining speed:" on the head

[devout sparrow]

yeah its just i cant use most of the things shown there, im not that far into the game

[chilly ibex]

very important if that's what you want the tool to do

look at the spreadsheet in pinned messages and you can see all of the materials for each mode...

[devout sparrow]

yeah i did see them

[chilly ibex]

since you can't use JEI while in the planner GUI

idk what you're confused about

[devout sparrow]

well nnot much after you guys explained things

i just dont know if there are any traits i dont know about i should need on my hammer

im doing a lot of construction right now so i dig A LOT

so i need a hammer that i wont have to repair often and a hammer that digs fast

[chilly ibex]

look at the traits in the spreadsheet and find what you like and then see what materials have that trait

[devout sparrow]

i think i saw somewhere i can expand the 3x3 to bigger area on nthe hammer?

[chilly ibex]

you don't need to go bigger than 3x3 on the hammer, we have magic spells that go larger

the modifiers that increase digging AoE size use upgrade slots....it's really one of the worst modifiers imo

[devout sparrow]

i mean there aren't a lot of modifiers a hammer would need in my scenario other than durability and haste

which ill upgrade later in the anvil too

[chilly ibex]

then go into full durability and haste with a diamond first and then redstone for haste

use a gold apple to trade the 1 ability slot for 2 upgrades

[devout sparrow]

alrighty

[chilly ibex]

a hammer has really low mining speed by default compared to a pickaxe, it needs a lot of extra redstone

[devout sparrow]

alrighty yeah ill put a lot of redstone on it

[chilly ibex]

use a gold apple as well because you're probably not gonna be needing an ability slot

[devout sparrow]

for the hammer probably not ye

[chilly ibex]

if you need help finding materials lmk

[devout sparrow]

kinnd of what i got to construct with what i have available rbn

rn

[chilly ibex]

can't see the parts

[devout sparrow]

i see things like osmium, manyullyn, hepatizon and so on has high durabillity or speed but i haven't made any of that yet

Bronze and Constantan plate

silver head

and brass handle

[chilly ibex]

manyullyn can be made early nether, hepatizon as well iirc...osmium is great below

[devout sparrow]

haven't been to great bellow

below

[chilly ibex]

what point are you at

[devout sparrow]

nether

but like i struggle fighting with mobs thats why initially came here kinda get better gear

to get better gear with that gear...

[chilly ibex]

hepatizon is alright to get

[devout sparrow]

also currently building a base so thats why i needed the hammer

a lot of digging

[chilly ibex]

holy shit

[devout sparrow]

here is a better pic i got today

any reccomendations for transportation methods?

efficient ones

[chilly ibex]

this is the best i can do rn without doing extensive testing

[devout sparrow]

blaze netherite is hard

gotta capture a blaze

but that hammer looks like a dream to me rn...

[chilly ibex]

yea, it's the hardest part for this

[devout sparrow]

especially once i can add other things in the anvil

[chilly ibex]

you can get full haste + diamond by just trading the ability slot

reason i added blaze netherite was because of the extra level of durability from the netherite trait

[devout sparrow]

but when u make armor the entire set is usually from 1 ore yes?

its the addons that are different

i mean traits

[chilly ibex]

traits are VERY different for armor

[devout sparrow]

oh okay

but the set itself is from 1 ore u dont mix leggings, plate, boots etc...

[chilly ibex]

as for cost, it's generally cheaper than making a non-tinker's set

[devout sparrow]

like one is copper one is invar etc

[chilly ibex]

you'd do the same for armor

because the armor plating uses stats AND traits while the maille just uses the traits

[devout sparrow]

i haven't tried making armor yet

well i did

i made manasteel armor and just put it on

and i still got shit on

but that was like yesterday

[chilly ibex]

steel is one of the best pre-nether armor materials for tinker's

[devout sparrow]

well i've been to nether just gotta get nether things

[chilly ibex]

but yet i still have steel for the hammer i made as an example for you

[devout sparrow]

ill go try to make some decent armor and get the things i need from nether

i just need a sword i need to make and armor

[chilly ibex]

it's got a few things going for it:

1. it's REALLY easy to obtain thus easy to repair
2. the trait, ductile, makes the tool/armor more durablel
3. the stats are still good

[devout sparrow]

so most stuff ill make it'll use the core head as steel?

[chilly ibex]

yea, the head is steel

[devout sparrow]

ill try assemble a sword in the blueprint and see if its any good

as well as armor

is katan or cleaver anny better than sword?

[chilly ibex]

cleaver is better because it can get you mob heads (like blaze or wither skelly)

[devout sparrow]

alrighty ill make cleaver

[chilly ibex]

katana i've never used so i can't say why but i know it's good just from seeing what others have said

[devout sparrow]

are cleavers slow

?

two handed

i assume slow ye

[chilly ibex]

katanas are also slow yea

[devout sparrow]

so i should try to bring up the melee speed on cleavers

[chilly ibex]

but cleavers have the ability to just destroy everything

[chilly ibex]

actually no, you want straight damage

[devout sparrow]

oh nno speed_

?

[chilly ibex]

the increase for attack speed is very small

[devout sparrow]

So it shouldn't be an issue if i get -% speed

on the handles i wanna use

[chilly ibex]

no

[devout sparrow]

this seems good?

thats what i can "afford" for now at least

[chilly ibex]

tungsten 🤔

[devout sparrow]

Invar and lead handles

for melee damage %

both 15%

steel blade

actually just highest damage and durability i even could get

and electrum for XP

electrum plate

unless i should try cobalt plate instead with the "tool is incredibly light"

[quaint onyx]

May I suggest this beauty?

[chilly ibex]

blizz enderium is available but getting it isn't easy

[quaint onyx]

Ya

But it’s an almost free x2 damage on any mob that can be set on fire

[devout sparrow]

whats the purple handle?

hepatizon

i assume

[quaint onyx]

Manyllium

Blade and handle

[devout sparrow]

oh?

shouldn't u mix them

for traits

[quaint onyx]

Manyullyn*

[chilly ibex]

the trait stacks and manyullyn's trait is decent

[quaint onyx]

Yeah but I found that insatiable x2 was pretty damn good

[devout sparrow]

u sure?

it looks

quite

same color

[quaint onyx]

I’m sure. I made it

[devout sparrow]

oh okay sorry

[chilly ibex]

nah, it's manyullyn because insatiable II

[devout sparrow]

yeah alright ill farm for that sword

yeah okay i see

[quaint onyx]

All g

[devout sparrow]

i just read the manyullyn

and you upgraded everything benefiting the melee i assume?

as traits later on

[chilly ibex]

yea that's the idea

[devout sparrow]

does this let me spawn in more slots? when i press i add more slots? is that meant to be or

[devout sparrow]

oh wow that looks nice...

[chilly ibex]

ye you don't gotta worry about that, it's SUPER endgame the way i set it up

[devout sparrow]

mine was 2.5k dura + 4 mining speed...

what about armor ill be making now? i cant make that in blueprint

[chilly ibex]

it's unbreakable too (it has to be because of a certain material turns the durability into essentially nothing)

[devout sparrow]

any reccomendations for armor?

[chilly ibex]

full steel and add novice modifier...5 magebloom

it allows the armor to use ars mana to repair itself, just about removing the need to manually repair it with more steel

[devout sparrow]

how good is getting luckiest on that cleaver

[chilly ibex]

luckiest is looting/fortune 3

so it's..pretty good

[devout sparrow]

but i should prio damage more i think

i cant find novice

where is that

[chilly ibex]

but luck uses an ability slot so

[devout sparrow]

found it

[devout sparrow]

yeah i thought ill just go full melee

ill play around more once i close in on end game more

[chilly ibex]

you can add modifier slots without trading the ability slot

[devout sparrow]

well im not far into ars noveau at all

more into create and AE 2

[chilly ibex]

you don't need to go far into ars at all

[devout sparrow]

yeah but i need mage bloom as u just said

[chilly ibex]

right but again, you don't need to do hardly anything for a magebloom crop

[devout sparrow]

isn't it better to put Projectile protection and Melee protection on me right now?

[chilly ibex]

make some source gems, throw a basic apparatus setup down with 4 pedestals and the arcane core below the apparatus

[devout sparrow]

or revtializing

[chilly ibex]

you can put a couple levels of melee prot and a couple levels of revitalized

[devout sparrow]

on the steel armor

?

[chilly ibex]

ye

both use defense slots

[devout sparrow]

aren't there better armors than steel i can do rn

[chilly ibex]

EHHHH not really

[devout sparrow]

one thing i donnt like about tinkers is u dont get the drip

[chilly ibex]

you can hide the armor and wear whatever else you want

[devout sparrow]

oh?

[devout sparrow]

how come

i meant like other sets

i see they have cool looking plates

that go into entire themes

color themes and such

[chilly ibex]

yyea

[devout sparrow]

what do u make to use that

what mod is that

[chilly ibex]

no idea

i've just hidden the armor for myself honestly

[devout sparrow]

ive seen some people have wings?

wait am i right understanding i make steel from melting chainmail armor?

[chilly ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-donkeys-shrek-gif-1107972158425297474

well, yes but no

[devout sparrow]

thats what wiki says

im in nether rn trying to get some cobalt

[chilly ibex]

fuck the wiki, look at JEI

it'll give you a lot more methods of obtaining steel that can be done pre-nether

[devout sparrow]

melt iron in the foundry?

or the chainmail armor

else in the melting it just say melt steel to get steel

[chilly ibex]

"pre-nether"..foundry is post-nether

[devout sparrow]

im in the JEi

and i went to molten steel

[chilly ibex]

which steel ingot are you looking at

[chilly ibex]

soo that LOOKS like thermal integration steel.....go up top and go ALLLLLLLL the way to the end tabs

[chilly ibex]

nono

[devout sparrow]

i guess i struggle with JEI

i cant press on the steel ingot

from tinkers

[chilly ibex]

yea, you'd be surprised by how many others struggle with JEI as well

[devout sparrow]

it doesn't take me anywhere

[chilly ibex]

follow the steel ingot from thermal integration

it's the earliest variant possible

[devout sparrow]

is it the same steel?

[chilly ibex]

it's all the exact same pretty much

[devout sparrow]

third tab

indution smelter

[chilly ibex]

yea

[devout sparrow]

i guess i need some stuff to make steel

[chilly ibex]

you also need pyrolyzer for the coke

[devout sparrow]

yeah i just saw

i was minning in the nether and i blew up

is that normal?

[chilly ibex]

you must've mined stibnite

[devout sparrow]

yeah i need that?

[chilly ibex]

you have to silk touch it

otherwise, you go boom

[devout sparrow]

i guess my next pick will be silktouch...

[chilly ibex]

i'm 90% sure it has to be silk touched....

[devout sparrow]

does it blow u up with proper

[chilly ibex]

i've never needed stibnite tbh

always ignored it

[devout sparrow]

antimony?

for the cleaver like he has

[chilly ibex]

oh, antimony..hmmm

[coral axle]

Trying to build my first long bow, I'm in the overworld only, any feedback on what I can do to enhance? Currently have 2 slimesteel and slime wood handle with rose gold string, and I've added golden apple diamond and disc, so I have 5 more upgrades I can add

[chilly ibex]

i've only seen one or 2 others use tinker's bows...but that was months ago

[coral axle]

ohhh, is tink not good for bows? Sorry, I played back in MCE, and tink shuriken and tink everything was just better than anything else. Just trying to fight dragons and sea serpents right now, and ranged was all I could think of.

[devout sparrow]

im cooked with the blizz enderium ngl

[devout sparrow]

was luck equivalent of fortune ?

[chilly ibex]

yea..i said it multiple times. it's fortune/looting

[devout sparrow]

yeah it just says

"gives nice things"

cuz ill be making a pickaxe soon

[quaint onyx]

Yeah Blizz hunting is a bit of a pain

[devout sparrow]

i saw i need the powder

is there areas where those guys who drop it spawn?

[quaint onyx]

Blizz spawns on cold areas where there’s snow. Snow plains, snow mountains, tundras etc

Make sure you get a soul vial to capture and make a powered spawner out of it, if you plan on ever making more Blizz enderium in the future

Or any of the other spawner making methods. I’m not familiar with the others, just Ender IO

[devout sparrow]

oh thanks for the advice

didn't know u can even do that

[chilly ibex]

Ars nouveau has 2 methods of mob farming

[quaint onyx]

Ya the drygmy and source spawners

[rare zodiac]

Damn soo much info to keep up with

[thin crystal]

fr im just lost in this post

might need a google doc or sum lol

[fickle barn]

No need to remake. U can always swap parts, and a modifier table lets you take off modifiers you have added

[rare zodiac]

check pinned messages, theres a spreadsheet

[fickle barn]

Overworld: steel

Nether: blaze netherite/dragonsteels

End: honestly not sure if there even is a better plating piece than dragonsteels unless you go for the giga expensive ones.

[thin crystal]

its empty

[thin crystal]

nvm im just blind

[fickle barn]

As for the mail: lumium, signalum, enderium and fluix is pretty all around

[thin crystal]

yea ik

the tabs at the bottom of the page i didnt see

[rare zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[thin crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825318230322053160/903732542367207454/IMG_0509.gif

[rare zodiac]

thanks for the last time, are these traits on spreadsheet?

oh wait, i can just hover over

derp

[devout sparrow]

[devout sparrow]

[devout sparrow]

after many hours of gathering everything i needed, with some complications i got it...

[quaint onyx]

Enjoy! It’s pretty strong

[devout sparrow]

ill test it out

now i just need proper armor too the steel one doesn't hold out too well at times

[quaint onyx]

I’ll always recommend Blaze Netherite + Cobalt Maile. Full set

[devout sparrow]

i was thinking cobalt + maile which i haven't looked into yet

but ill see how problematic getting blaze netherite will be for me

btw whats the blue bar when i hold the cleaver

[quaint onyx]

Mana from Iron’s

You can imbue a spell into the cleaver so you can use it on demand

That requires dabbling into Iron’s and is entirely optional though

[quaint onyx]

It’s just pouring Blaze blood on top of a netherite bar really

[devout sparrow]

oh okay

shouldn't be too hard then other than finding ancient debri

[quaint onyx]

Scrying ritual from Ars is a huge help

[devout sparrow]

Unfortunately i am nowhere into magic other than my mate being into botania

but again im wondering, why uze blizz enderium if you lose on the handle -15% dura and -10% damage and gain 25% melee speed

i thought its about min maxing the damage on the cleaver

[quaint onyx]

Blizz enderium has a modifier that makes you deal x2 damage to mobs on fire

So if you have a Fire Gauntlet (trinket) or the fire aspect modifier, you’re straight up doing double damage

It’s pretty damn strong against anything vulnerable to fire

[devout sparrow]

okay so its made mostly for nether mobs

[quaint onyx]

Nono

It’s not if the mob is fire based

[devout sparrow]

if its IS on fire

[quaint onyx]

It’s if you set the mob on fire

[devout sparrow]

like burning

so i should've not put sharpness on the sword but abillity to burn maybe?

[quaint onyx]

Fire status effect as in the mob is taking damage over time from fire

You can easily trigger it by equipping the Fire Gauntlet trinket if you got it. Otherwise you can use an upgrade slot to apply fire aspect, yes

If you ever regret a modifier on your tool, you can extract it with one of the Slime Crystals + a wet sponge

[devout sparrow]

am i able to change what i did on upgrades?

[quaint onyx]

I think if you just use a sponge you can just remove it entirely

[devout sparrow]

just in the anvil?

[quaint onyx]

Modifier Workbench. It’s another Tinker station

[devout sparrow]

Fiery I is the right choice right?

or Fire Upgrade I

[quaint onyx]

I forget which one. Read the tooltip

Should be the one that just applies fire to your attacks

The other one is for bonus dragon damage iirc

[devout sparrow]

Fire Upgrade I is Grants 5% fire spell power and Fiery I is Ignites targets of melee, fired arrows and counterattacks

[quaint onyx]

Fiery 1 it is then

[devout sparrow]

yeah the arrow part sounded weird

[quaint onyx]

Fire upgrade is for Iron’s Spellbooks

[quaint onyx]

It’s a general modifier. You can add it to ranged weapons too, hence the global description

[devout sparrow]

makes sense makes sense

well thanks for the tips

ill look for a sponge

[quaint onyx]

Ocean temple should have plenty. Dunno where else to get sponges though

I think the possessed elder guardian from Occultism drops sponges?

[devout sparrow]

I assume only getting 1 upgrade is worth it on the fire though? rest into melee

considering i just need to SET THEM ON FIRE

[quaint onyx]

Yeah

[devout sparrow]

ah yeah maybe using a diamond on the upgrade was the wrong move

[quaint onyx]

That or find a Fire gauntlet as lootootbox rewards

[devout sparrow]

or the sharpness

idk

[quaint onyx]

Nah diamond is a good one

Extra durability and extra damage

[devout sparrow]

yeah 5k dura haha more than my pickaxe...

[quaint onyx]

Have you looked into getting more slots instead?

[devout sparrow]

im honestly far away from doing that part

[quaint onyx]

Harmonious is an easy extra slot. Just slap a music disc

If you found a primordial cave, Curiosity should also be relatively easy extra slot

[devout sparrow]

i did yeah

[quaint onyx]

And most importantly getting Primordial strength since that’s +2 damage

[devout sparrow]

is that better than sharpness maybe?

[quaint onyx]

Yep

[devout sparrow]

yeah i see

[quaint onyx]

Sharpness I think is +0,8?

[devout sparrow]

oh that little??

[quaint onyx]

I forget tbh. You’re better off checking on the anvil before committing to the upgrade

I think it’s different per level

[devout sparrow]

yeah i just i was sure there wasn

other things available for me rn

to get "better" upgrades but didn't know that the primordial cave does have things

[quaint onyx]

Press U while hovering over your tool and check the anvil tab for all the modifiers

Yeah it’s a big list, but it’s worth going over

[devout sparrow]

how good are "abillities" on these? alot of them sound cool but idk how strong they neccesraily will be

so im worried to commit to them

[devout sparrow]

i cant find this one ^^ scrolled through the modifiers tab on my cleaver three times ?

[quaint onyx]

Depends on what you need. Lucky is my standard go-to since it’s Fortune/Looting basically

[devout sparrow]

oh wait

its only for wands? no?

[quaint onyx]

Huh. It should be there. So you either missed it or your JEI is borked

[devout sparrow]

how "worth" it is it on mobs though

[quaint onyx]

Nah Harmonious is for everything

[devout sparrow]

oooh

[quaint onyx]

It’s literally just Tool + Any Music Disc and you get an extra upgrade slot

[devout sparrow]

i see yeah nah im blind

[quaint onyx]

I mean I get plenty of extra loot at lv 3 since it’s pretty much Looting 3.

If you are focusing on pure damage you could just go for Gilded. It eats the Ability slot but grants you +2 Upgrade Slots

[devout sparrow]

yeah i did that

for the sharpness

seing its the wrong move now tho

[quaint onyx]

Not rly

Lemme see if I can remember my blade

[devout sparrow]

the Primordial strenght is only doable to lvl 2? as the JEI shows

it only shows lvl 1 and 2

[quaint onyx]

There’s two levels

[devout sparrow]

yeah

[quaint onyx]

Levels 1 and 2 have different costs

Each level is +2 damage

It won’t show on the blade tooltip tho

But if you hit smth you’ll see the Icreased damage

[devout sparrow]

But what kind of things do u get with looting on the sword

more rotten meat?

i haven't played a modpack or regular minecraft since like 2012...

[quaint onyx]

It’s Looting. It’s just does what vanilla looting does

[devout sparrow]

even netherite is new to me

[quaint onyx]

More common drops, higher chances of rarer drops

Blade is same material setup as yours.
3 upgrades slots. +3 slots from modifiers
1 ability slot.

Harmonious (+1 upgrade)
Wraught (+1 upgrade)
Curiosity (+1 upgrade)

Luckiest (ability, more loot)

Primordial strength 2 (2 upgrades, +4 damage)
Diamond (upgrade, more everything)
Sharpness 3 (3 upgrades, more dmg)

I think that’s what my sword was at

[devout sparrow]

no fire?

oh u had the trinket

[devout sparrow]

my goal right now is curiosity and harmonious, and get the wet sponge to replace some sharpness for fire + add prmiordial strenght

[quaint onyx]

Ya

Oh I forgot to say but Blizz enderium also has another benefit

[devout sparrow]

oh, what kind

[quaint onyx]

The more damaged your sword is the more dmg it deals up to +25%

[devout sparrow]

until i repair it i assumew

or is it one time thing

after its very damaged and u repair the buff stays

[quaint onyx]

I think as long as it’s bellow a certain durability you keep the max benefit

It maxed out at 85% durability I think?

[chilly ibex]

Nah, weapons get 2 ability slots iirc. Just gilded one of them and you can still do lucky

[chilly ibex]

Afaik, the buff doesn't change, even after repairing

[quaint onyx]

1 ability slot

[chilly ibex]

I remember being able to do gilded AND lucky

[quaint onyx]

You either expanded slots or different tools have different slots

Because I’m fairly sure only had one ability for my cleaver

[chilly ibex]

Iirc, there's no modifiers for extra ability slots early game? There's resurrected which is an end crystal but ghast tears are super rare

[pulsar lodge]

Harmonious still exists

the next TCon update is also changing Resurrected for a new modifier called Forecast, which requires a Diamond, Emerald, or Cobalt Ore

hasn't been put in tmk, it only just came out the other day

[quaint onyx]

There’s one for extra ability that is just dragon head. And i legitimately got no clue where my friends got 2 of those

[quaint onyx]

Harmonious is Upgrade

Resurrected I’m pretty sure is also Upgrade slot

[quaint onyx]

Speaking about that. I’m curious about mod updating on the pack.

Is it only gonna be done on major patches like 1.3, or will it happen on any patch whenever the mod update is public?

[pulsar lodge]

it can happen on any patch

there's no arbitrary rule for it

though of course, more significant updates might require more involved steps to not break custom content

[coral axle]

Afternoon all, I was wondering what the difference is between enchanted golden apple and golden apple for weapon/tool upgrade. I know that apple gives you an extra upgrade slot, but I'm not sure what the shiny aspect of the enchanted golden apple does.

[pulsar lodge]

Shiny is just a cosmetic effect with no practical benefit, hence why it does not require any modifier slots.

[chilly ibex]

strange item combination for a recipe named "resurrected" imo

[quaint onyx]

They are changing the name of the modifier too

“Forecast”

[chilly ibex]

i know but it still doesn't really..match

[coral axle]

thanks!

Hi All, I applied silk touch to my tools, but I seem to have forgotten how ... I say that as my son is trying to apply 5 silky cloth to his pickaxe on the tink anvil with no luck. He doesn't have fortune on the pickaxe either and he has 1 upgrade slot left.

[pulsar lodge]

does the pick have an Ability slot open? Silk Touch is an Ability modifier

[coral axle]

fk, nope, he used it for the golden apple I think. What gives ability slots if you don't mind me asking?

[pulsar lodge]

Ability Slots are sparsely given. the main ways to get extra ones are the Draconic and Quantum Technology modifiers. Edging Technology also gives you one but it is comically lategame.

[coral axle]

ahh, ok, but then ... how did I get them? I guess my question is not how to get extra ability slots, but how to get the base 1 slot.

[pulsar lodge]

most all tools come with the base one slot

same with the 3 upgrade slots

though not all have that exact count. Broad tools like Hammers for example, ship with one less Upgrade than most other Tools.

the different armors also have their Defense slots and all come with different counts. Traveller's is the allrounder, Plate lacks Abilities, but has more Defense, and Slimesuit lacks Defense, but comes with many more Upgrades.

[coral axle]

ahhh, ok, thanks!

[flint stream]

What is the best hammer (with only overworld mineral)?

[chilly ibex]

test with materials yourself to see what works and what doesn't

[flint stream]

I search, i just ask if anyone have idea

[quaint onyx]

A good fast hammer that’s easy to repair is stone head + rose gold everything

You can slap a diamond to improve the durability and make it mine at diamond tier

Then a bunch of restone for speed

You’ll want to carry a tinkers anvil to repair it on the fly though

You could replace the head with a copper if you have excess copper

[flint stream]

Ok ty

[flint stream]

But -30% durability for handle...

[chilly ibex]

an early game hammer doesn't need that many extra slots lmfao

use steel if you really want something durable

[quaint onyx]

I used that hammer until I went to nether lol

It’s cheap, it’s fast, easy to repair, gets the job done

[quaint onyx]

You’ll be able to repair it with stone

And since it’s a hammer you’ll get stone a plenty

Just carry a tinkers anvil and boom. Repaired

[flint stream]

Repair kit don't able?

[quaint onyx]

You can use repair kits yeah

But that means you’ll be spending wood for the pattern frames too iirc

I don’t remember if you can use a gold cast for stone

[flint stream]

I have automatic wood farm

[quaint onyx]

Then you’re set

[delicate ridge]

do i use tinker for normal weapons too? are bows recommended or mainly swords?

[rare zodiac]

Tinkers basically everything armor, weapons, tools

Unless mining ores when Fortune/Silktouch Diamond Pick is better

[quaint onyx]

You can also get fortune and silk touch modifiers on Tinker tools

Fortune is the Lucky modifier

Silk touch is the Silky modifier

[chilly ibex]

What...who said non-tinker's is better?

[rare zodiac]

The more you know the better ahh moment

[chilly ibex]

I'm genuinely curious though

Like, early game you can get the equivalent of fortune 4 using luckiest and fluix as a tool part

[rare zodiac]

What materials again? Fluix I am sure comes from the Certuz or something Quartz

[quaint onyx]

Charged Certuz Quartz crystals yeah

I think it was charged certuz + redstone water reaction?

[chilly ibex]

Glowstone

I think...that or regular quartz

[rare zodiac]

Oof, yeah glowstone early game just need Wandering Trader to show up

Even then pretty limited cause we can't duplicate it

[chilly ibex]

Nope, roguelike dungeons

[quaint onyx]

Wandering trader, roguelike dungeons bottom level, Botania alchemy from restone, Occultism underground forests

There’s actually a surprising amount of pre nether sources

[chilly ibex]

Every layer of dungeons has glowstone..look above the stairs that lead to next floor

[rare zodiac]

I got like 5 glowstone pieces, explored like 250+ chunks, didn't find those dungeon structures.

Botania maybe I'll get started next time on, same for Occultism

[chilly ibex]

And in certain other rooms on 1st and 2nd

[rare zodiac]

From trader obvi

[quaint onyx]

I’ve been struck with the “don’t look up curse” lol.
the more you know

[chilly ibex]

You ever wondered what's lighting those spots up?

yea, it's glowstone

[quaint onyx]

The nice thing about occultism is that you can use the divination rod to search for leaves and it’ll point you towards the underground one

[quaint onyx]

No because I always drink a night vision pot

[chilly ibex]

Lol

Why potion when magelight spell from ars

[quaint onyx]

Haven’t explored Ars much

[gray schooner]

anyone have an early game dagger build recommendations

[chilly ibex]

Daggers aren't great

[quaint onyx]

I don’t use daggers so unfortunately I don’t got any good recommendations

You’ll probably want anything that boosts dmg tho since they already attack fast

[delicate ridge]

isnt it pain to use bow without infinity?

[rare zodiac]

You can prolly craft infinity if you want

[chilly ibex]

Idk if tinker's has an infinity modifier...

[pulsar lodge]

Crystalshot

closest it has, which can expend extra durability instead of Arrows

[delicate ridge]

i dont find anything like crystalshot here. shouldnt it be listed there?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TO4NEZStiQ4wU-xk4JNey50NF_MRvOoY47CQb-MHob4/edit?gid=581950770#gid=581950770

[chilly ibex]

Might've been added way after spreadsheet was finished

[delicate ridge]

is there an ingame overview?

[chilly ibex]

JEI is your ingame overview

[delicate ridge]

ok found it ty. i guess there is something similiar with fortune on pickaxes?

[chilly ibex]

Lucky

[delicate ridge]

i know that u could that back in the days with lapis but lapis grants killager right now. on JEI i dont find the enchant

[chilly ibex]

It's a different recipe..

It's not called an enchant though

[quaint onyx]

Lucky modifier. The first level is copper ingots + lapis blocks + cornflower iirc

[coral axle]

Afternoon y'all anyone know what cofh holding enchant works on? I tried putting it on a backpack, but it didn't work, and wasn't sure what else it could be applied to.

[delicate ridge]

tried to luck for luckiest with the rabbit foot but cant find rabbits. its like vanilla in hot biomes?

[devout sparrow]

Any recommendations for the upgrades?

on the armor

[quaint onyx]

You’ll want 10 levels of melee protection distributed across all pieces

[devout sparrow]

alrighty

[quaint onyx]

Then just put revitalized (extra HP) on any remaining slots

[devout sparrow]

idk how much magic i will meet

what about some speedy upgrades?

with redstone

[quaint onyx]

Upgrade slots are rly up to your personal preference

If you want speed on the pants, go for it

You can apply the Unbreakable to reduce the durability loss so you have to take lava baths less frequently for repairs

[devout sparrow]

Haven't been to the end tho

[quaint onyx]

Unbreakable modifier doesn’t ask for end materials

Unbreaking?

Reinforced I think was the name actually

I forget

But it’s just Emerald Reinforcements which is obsidian planes + emerald

[devout sparrow]

ah yeah thast

yeah i think ill do that too

[pine sleet]

Is there like any tutorial or a list for each mode normal/expert/master and for what weapons/armor should i go?
I've seen the tinkers sheets, but its not very helpful

[quaint onyx]

Not that I know of, no.

It’s a lot of experimentation for what exactly you want tbh

I recommend going into creative and using the planing function to test out possible combinations to your liking

[chilly ibex]

You don't need creative to use the planner

[quaint onyx]

But you need creative to pull things out of the planner and test them

[chilly ibex]

i guess? don't really need to actually test if you're just going for raw damage (which most of the time you are...) unless you're going for a mining tool then MAYBE

[pine sleet]

i will try to go for a Blaze Netherite + Cobalt Mail

its my first time doing tinker construct things, so im a bit lost in all of this

and for weapons.. idk i will play around

but i still dont know how does modifiers works i need to test it as well

[quaint onyx]

A rundown: modifiers grant your tinkers gears more power/functions/passives.

Modifiers will always eat a slot, the type of slot it eats depends on the modifier itself, you’ll have to look at JEI for info on which slot a specific modifier will eat.

There’s three types of slots:
• Ability slots.
• Upgrade slots.
• Defense slots (only on armor).

How many slots your gear starts with depends on what gear you’re looking at and sometimes the materials it’s made of.

There’s Modifiers that don’t eat a slot, we call them “slotless”.
Slotless modifiers will either grant you more Slots, or will just change the aesthetic/looks of your gear

[pine sleet]

Thanks!

[quaint onyx]

Yw

[pine sleet]

another thing, is there a proper list of what items will give what modifier?

like im looking for pierce

[quaint onyx]

Hover over the tool you want to apply the modifier and press “U” (default keybind). Go to the anvil tab, it’ll show all modifiers that specific tool can accept

[devout sparrow]

Do you ever sleep?

[quaint onyx]

Yes

[manic mortar]

So, i made an Ion Cannon with the materials i have available, but i find it absolutely inadequate for my needs..i must miss something, but the dmg is simply too low and the reach is really a limit, yesterday we fought the Wither and my mate with Create Shotgun basically soloed him, while i absolutely did an awfuul amount of dmg, most of the time i did not even hit him cause it was too far..the fact that it does not catch fire and then consequently not boosting dmg was a thing too ofc

Uhm, like 5 mins ago on dmg it said 18, now 8.3 XD

Anyway, we are talking about 20dmg per shot, 42 if target is on fire

[manic mortar]

I know It does not have Swiftstrike ex but i cannot find how to make It in the books. Also, After the update was trying other combination but i don't seem to find Autoshot ability anymore?

[vague moon]

What is the made out of? I think its an Osgoglas Blase and Manyullyn plate, but what are the handles?

Or does anyone have a good Cleaver build? Im so lost on the tinkers thing, and I dont see any cleaver builds on the sheet