Tinkers Post - Please put your favorite combos here

[devout spindle]

Am I being dumb? My osgloslas hammer will have very low speed, thought it must be the plates that determine mining speed but have tried both plates and head.

[pulsar lodge]

both plates and the head affect the mining speed. the plates to a lesser extent, but it's also much slower than say, a pickaxe, because it mines multiple blocks at once, so it's lesser to compensate for that detail.

[devout spindle]

Gotcha, ty

[thin owl]

The boss damage reduction

[chilly ibex]

what parts are you using

[fickle barn]

osgloglas or densium handle?

[short olive]

Blizz enderium for handle

[fickle barn]

should i replace the ion chamber then?

both it and handle are enderium rn

[short olive]

Ion chamber is ACS on mine, I don't know what you should use pre end

Oh you have densium so you are in the end nvm

[fickle barn]

i'll make the chamber acs too then

[short olive]

What else would be recommended for this? I can get a couple more slots but I'm not sure what to use them on

[fickle barn]

could put range upgrades maybe, although they are currently bugged

hoping they start working again next update

[short olive]

Tbh it does use a lot of lava maybe the catalysis or more tank upgrades

[river crown]

What's the reccomended build for an electron tuner to take on Ender dragon with in MCE2?

[rocky stump]

As standard as it gets, probably

Blizz Enderium and Osgloglas

[rocky stump]

Max sharpness for sure

[chilly ibex]

what's with the "Ex V" in swift strike?

never seen that

[wind flower]

specific ion cannon mod

[chilly ibex]

interesting

[fickle barn]

This but voltaic rod over signalum, and ended up running osgloglas blade until i 25%'d the metamorph in an uncharged state. @river crown

If ur not down to abuse the drygmy tech, probs go w an osglo handle in place of the cheesed acs for another level of extra dense

[fickle barn]

Its a ion rifle exclusive, stronger swift strike

Iirc it was like +25% attack speed ea level

[chilly ibex]

damn 😭

[fickle barn]

First 2 levels are a bit mehh

But u rly start seeing the 25% do work on III-V

Might honestly be more worth to go SSEX V into swiftestest over sharpestest

That is ofc if they can even be stacked together

Havent actually tested, just came as a thought

[river crown]

Thanks

[fickle barn]

Need to keep it uncharged to get metamorph progress

[river crown]

not really set up with ars to do drygmys but I've got a few rats on fishing so maybe they'll get me acs tinker's parts

[fickle barn]

So of ur planning to use a better blade (like the cheesed densium for mine)

Use a lesser blade to farm the metamorph prog

And only replace the blade after the 25.1-4%

[river crown]

what does farming metamorph mean?

[fickle barn]

The metamorph trait on enderium

Severely buffs attack speed and attack damage as it gets closer to 25%

As you use the durability the stat goes up

[river crown]

ah

[fickle barn]

But w tuner it only gains progress when uncharged for some wacky reason

[river crown]

does repairing reset it?

[fickle barn]

Nah

[river crown]

cool

[fickle barn]

Which is why youd probs ideally run something like manylin/osglo to farm the stat, and only then switch to the intended blade after repair

[river crown]

why not just like copper?

[fickle barn]

Damage might go to quite shit temporarily

But ig it wouldnt rly matter much cos u can just slap a dummy

[left glen]

Anyone got a good broad axe build post nether but very pre end?

Getting wrecked by the skeleton knights

Thought 88% melee reduction did smth xD

[chilly ibex]

why broad axe?

also what armor do you have

[left glen]

I like it

Gimme 2 secs

I mean if there's smth better for dps I'll take it

[chilly ibex]

cleaver and katana are the top weapons rn

[left glen]

That's my armour, same on all pieces

[chilly ibex]

but generally for part materials pre-end, you would want to go for osgloglas and blizz enderium

[chilly ibex]

what's the maille made out of? don't tell me you did full blaze netherite...

[left glen]

Cobalt

[chilly ibex]

cobalt? yea, that's meh for armor

[left glen]

Damn

What's a decent combo for armour then?

[fickle barn]

netherite + enderium

cheap and strong

[left glen]

Was just bout to say

[chilly ibex]

blizz* enderium

[left glen]

Enderiuk is kinda not reachable

[chilly ibex]

but yea

[fickle barn]

novice ars upgrade for passive self repair

[left glen]

I'd rather not do exploits too

[chilly ibex]

blizz enderium is obtainable the moment you reach the nether and make a foundry

[left glen]

Really?

[chilly ibex]

you'd just need blazing blood

[left glen]

And?

[chilly ibex]

that's.....really it

[left glen]

Ive had to restart so can't see rn

[chilly ibex]

well, you need to go through a bit of thermal series to make blizz enderium ingots

[left glen]

So armour wise I'd go:
. Blaze Netherite Core
. Blizz Enderium Malle

?

[chilly ibex]

but you need blazing blood to melt it

yes basically

[left glen]

Assuming diamond + emerald is good idea too?

[chilly ibex]

yea obviously

[left glen]

However, I do wanna add Ars mana boost + Regen to it

[chilly ibex]

you can do that though

[left glen]

Would adding the diamond + emerald stop me doing that?

[chilly ibex]

just add more modifiers

[left glen]

Would I need 3 modifiers to do max mana boost / Regen?

[chilly ibex]

you'd technically need 4 extra modifiers

for the ars elemental trait

[left glen]

And that's doing it through the enchantment process with ars, yes?

[chilly ibex]

tinker's anvil

[left glen]

Ah

[chilly ibex]

kinda confused me at first as well

[left glen]

Source gems?

[chilly ibex]

wdym source gems

[left glen]

What do I gotta use for the modifier?

To get the mana stuff

[chilly ibex]

magebloom fiber, there's recipes in JEI

[fickle barn]

only 8 densium bars to go

[chilly ibex]

just look at the uses for magebloom fiber and look through the top tabs for the tinker modifiers

[left glen]

https://tenor.com/view/national-guard-us-army-armed-forces-arng-army-strong-gif-11239924639987928988

[chilly ibex]

gross, tinker tooltips

[left glen]

Wanted to gif ;-;

[left glen]

Ty ty

[fickle barn]

tbh idk what i have done to make them show up xd

[chilly ibex]

might be enabled by default but F3 H disables them

[fickle barn]

i c

[chilly ibex]

you can't enable them accidentally

[fickle barn]

that was it, ty

[left glen]

What's a good material combo for these then?

[chilly ibex]

tooltips aren't even used 90% of the time except to have item data for /give or somethin

[left glen]

Just the same stuff?

[fickle barn]

theres a funny thing going on w ticon armor using the ars upgrades btw

[chilly ibex]

osgloglas and blizz enderium

[fickle barn]

if u put it with books in a vacuum chamber and extract the mana boost and regen

equip it

the enchants come back

[left glen]

Can I get osgloglas pre end?

[fickle barn]

and u can extract them again, and again, and again, and again

[chilly ibex]

yea.....just look at JEI

[left glen]

Jeez xD

Wow

Thought that was very post end ngl

[chilly ibex]

osmium is the hard part, since you need access to great below

[left glen]

Oh ye

[fickle barn]

[left glen]

Anything I can use in place of osgloglas for now?

[chilly ibex]

pointless but interesting exploit

[fickle barn]

nice to have for the wizard hat from ender dragon kill

xd

[chilly ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TO4NEZStiQ4wU-xk4JNey50NF_MRvOoY47CQb-MHob4/edit?gid=1789054275#gid=1789054275

[fickle barn]

but ye very much pointless but funny bug

99% harmless too tbh

[chilly ibex]

that tab on our tinker spreadsheet is pre-end materials for nether

[left glen]

🫡

Just do say, blaze netheire blades, blizz enderium handle, what bout other tool handle?

[chilly ibex]

you can also use the blue button you see in the tinker's anvil to plan out a tool in advance of actually making it

[left glen]

Ooo

I didn't know that

[chilly ibex]

manyullyn isn't bad but do your own research honestly

[fickle barn]

the planner doesnt seem to let u simulate adding actual upgrades tho, only the ones that add slots

or maybe im just missing something

[chilly ibex]

it does just about everything except actual damage testing

wdym actual upgrades

it's all slot-based anyway

[fickle barn]

stuff like sharpness etc

[chilly ibex]

yea it does

click the upgrade and it'll allow you to increase the level

like, in the list of traits

[fickle barn]

oh i c, its a scroll wheel only for the trait menu, u cant drag any side thing downwards

[chilly ibex]

yea, and the scroll is REALLY buggy

[fickle barn]

so yeah was just confusement from my end

[chilly ibex]

maybe it can be fixed

[fickle barn]

it even highlights the actual scroller too xd

good to know now how it works

[chilly ibex]

it reads every modifier possible too, even the custom ones from tantrum

sad thing is it doesn't do armor

[cloud horizon]

Does anyone have a guide for best expert level armor and weapons?

[chilly ibex]

weapons you're looking at osgloglas for the blade parts and blizz enderium for the handle or whatever, armor is blaze netherite plating with blizz enderium maille

[cloud horizon]

thanks, and is there generally certain modifiers you want to add, just the general durability ones and

[chilly ibex]

for weapons it really depends but sharp and swift strikes is what you want but if you're lacking on resources to make repair kits, you can add a couple levels of reinforcement to help a bit

armor you need melee prot up to 80% in total and then the rest of the slots are filled with revitalized

basic modifiers like diamond, emerald, and netherite (if you're not already using BLAZE netherite which has this trait inherently), are good for extra armor and durability...adding the Novice trait from ars nouveau helps with auto repair

[cloud horizon]

thanks man much appreciated

[golden echo]

I would go for the other parts of ACS as well for the Maille. Like Blitz Luminum for one maille and then the Basalz Signalum for the third one, just to get the modifiers.

[fickle barn]

Probs best to put these 2 others on hat and boots too, so u still get the highest effect from metamorph on platebody and platelegs

[chilly ibex]

ACS is no longer pre-end

[thin owl]

Reread the message

[reef solstice]

Hmmm so I stumbled across a series of steps in this pack that allows tinkers armor to be (partially) enchanted.. should I put that here as a valid build option ? Is it something that should be put in a bug report? It a strange series of interactions accross 5 mods that allows it

[past drift]

bug report is always good, if it's fixable... who knows

[reef solstice]

its probably something whoever makes corail would have to fix - or at least thats the first step in the chain outside of TC itself and breaking it would stop the rest of it

ill put out a bug report later

[golden echo]

I know, that's why I said ACS parts and talked about blizz enderium and such..

[vagrant lion]

So what does Metamorphium actually do for armor? Like, is the armor stronger when it's at low durability, or is it a permanent, gradually increasing buff every time it takes damage, or

I was about to make a set of ACS plate armor with fluix/lumium/?/? mailles and if metamorphium does that I might either fill the other two with it, or do one enderium and one iridium because blocking armor-piercing damage sounds important late-game

(and are fluix/lumium less than ideal? lumium permanent night vision has been lovely and I don't have another good source of wither resist)

[mellow mason]

Just sit on a cactus for a while and it builds up to eventually a ~1.25x multiplier to armor and toughness
As for mailles, more acs is the strongest by far, so idk about fluix and lumium, except maybe one protocite maille on the chestplate if you're really willing to put up with mekanism's bs

[vagrant lion]

well, I've got ACS for the plate (unless that's a bad idea too, the armor hasn't been crafted yet so I could remelt and repurpose it), so would using it for maille be redundant?

[mellow mason]

Nope, the empowered effect should stack

[vagrant lion]

protocite does sound fantastic and would replace both the fluix and lumium, but also... yeah that's a lot of work to get protocite from where I'm at right now

I haven't touched nuclear anything at all

[chilly ibex]

yea protocite is endgame more or less

doesn't make sense to put it in expert mode even though you don't need to go to the end for anything in the reactor process i don't think?

[wind flower]

master is the end mode. or am i misreading this?

[chilly ibex]

master mode is technically when you kill the dragon but yes

[spice cradle]

i've made a full blaze netherite armor set, what modifiers should i put on it? is it good for expert mode?

[past drift]

omg why did no one tell me disintegration crystal is actually pretty easy and I can already make it aaahh

I thought it's some later expensive thingy

oh wait, now I remember... it will just explode, I need unbreaking on it which is pretty expensive and thus actually IS a later game thingy

and here I was happy for a second 🙁

[river crown]

it needs a warden drop which isn't exactly early but not super late by this pack's standards

[chilly ibex]

it's not hard, just takes a lot of steps...lol

[river crown]

anyway it's great as tough collar for matter manipulator which doesn't care about durability

[chilly ibex]

yea, disintigrate crystal is amazing no matter what as long as the tool doesn't have/care about durability

[past drift]

actually I might be closer than I thought

I don't need diamond or netherite anymore then, right?

so that would free up 2 slots

[chilly ibex]

diamond increases mining speed slightly doesn't it?

or is that emerald

[river crown]

I didn't bother to put either on mine I dont' think

[past drift]

what does "slightly" do compared to the crystal

[river crown]

if you want to increase minign speed just put redstone on it

[chilly ibex]

disintigrate doesn't do anything for stats, just the fortune 3

[past drift]

the ability slot is a bit harder but I might get one "soon" via the singularity upgrade

[chilly ibex]

you already have draconic ?

[river crown]

not that a matter manipulator needs mining speed upgrades except for maybe against obsidian

[past drift]

the crystal does meantion mining speed as part of the disintegrate trait

[chilly ibex]

forgot about that part honestly

[past drift]

I think I can get a dragon head via bee trading 🤔 if I'm lucky

[chilly ibex]

if you have a cleaver that does 50 damage, could kill the dragon a few times 😂

[past drift]

when I do that I probably define myself as being done with the pack

[chilly ibex]

i mean, i've seen cleavers with like 40 damage

i don't remember seeing 50 though

[rocky stump]

You can get cleavers up to 50

It's just not very practical since you'd generally want more attack speed

[chilly ibex]

yep

voltaic is a really nice piece for attack speed, best in that category

[fickle barn]

I only got mine to 26 before I retired it

(Was a pretty shitty build tho cos it wasnt even a primary weapon xd)

[chilly ibex]

my first cleaver was 14 but only because i just used it for blaze heads and i had gotten dread scythe in the earliest public version where bounty boards were super OP

[fickle barn]

[golden echo]

What y'all using instead of cleaver? Heard the other weapon types fall off against bosses

[fickle barn]

I rushed to an ancient city as soon as i figured out (w help from this dis cord) how the whole nether grinder stuff works, and made a shitty ion rifle that I for the longest time used as a primary weapon

Only rly used the cleaver afterwards when i needed to AOE kill stuff

Even just a netherite ion gun has bonkers damage output

[chilly ibex]

other weapon types fall off against bosses because garbage base damage

[fickle barn]

Cleaver is really good for cataclysm bosses

[chilly ibex]

only way you're using anything other than cleaver is with a pre-nerf rage glove

[fickle barn]

Not too fast at attacking, and also hits the damage cap

[chilly ibex]

what's the damage cap?

[fickle barn]

Looks to be something like 51 to 54

[chilly ibex]

i don't even know because i used daggers with rage glove :/

[fickle barn]

Atleast thats the absolute highest I ever hit on ignis

[chilly ibex]

50? against a boss with THOUSANDS of hp?

ender guardian has 4k hp and the damage cap is around 50? 😭

[fickle barn]

Granted I purely used the ion gun on ignis

Maybe i could ha e hit higher w the cleaver

Could very well just be a magic damage cap of 50

[chilly ibex]

with daggers and rage glove BEFORE the nerf, i could 3-4 shot ender guardian without trying :/

i honestly haven't played since the update

[fickle barn]

The densium tuner did absolutely nuke the enderium guardian of the ender gateway tho

[golden echo]

Why you need the ancient city for that? I probably should read up on the nether grinder stuff ^^

[fickle barn]

Ancient cities give echo shards

And echo shards are needed for the ion chamber and swift strike ex modifier

[thin owl]

Technically you can get echo shards through occultism

But you'd need to kill an axolotl :(

[fickle barn]

Yep

[golden echo]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hulk-bruce-banner-i-see-this-as-an-absolute-win-gif-17006739

[fickle barn]

And u also need sculk blocks of various type to summon the possessed warden

May aswell silk touch the blocks in an ancient city to pacify it for safe looting

[thin owl]

Fortunately my friends were killing wardens before I even had to worry about needing echo shards lmao

[fickle barn]

Xdd

[past drift]

is this (still) your ultimate vein hammer or were there changes after this?

and about disintegrate, how does this even work? explode instantly without unbreaking?

and then @rocky stump said that something about disintegrate is not working as vampire hunter, but what part actually? "not working" in what way I mean?

[rocky stump]

Disintegrate rapidly increases your mining speed as you mine

This effect does not occur if you're a vampire hunter

[past drift]

oh lol, another funny thing that is never mentioned anywhere 🙃

[rocky stump]

At least on a matter manipulator, have yet to test on a hammer, but I see no reason why it would be different

[past drift]

the ingame text is just "increases mining speed" or something, not that it's over time

[rocky stump]

It isn't mentioned because it's clearly a bug

Oh, as in the actual disintegrate effect?

[past drift]

yeah of course not referring to a bug not being mentioned

[rocky stump]

Check JEI

It should mention

Hold shift while hovering over a disintegrate tool piece

Like the collar

It should describe what disintegrate does

[past drift]

afaik the trait only reads like "increases mining speed but makes your tool break faster or something"

[river crown]

oh... now I feel kind of silly picking hunter when matter manipulator is my main tool lol

[rocky stump]

Don't feel silly, it's a bug

[river crown]

ah

[past drift]

considering I plan to take it for the looting I guess I care less about the speed thingy

I actually dislike stuff that changes the speed over time because it's irritating

like the old cobalt (MCE1)

you mine normally and then bam suddenly everything instabreaks and you fall down in lava or something

[rocky stump]

It's great on the matter manipulator because you can evaporate things in range

[past drift]

yeah for that I guess it makes sense.

[river crown]

yeah matter manipulator is pretty fast even without the speed boost I'm not getting due to the bug

anything except obsidian is pretty much instant

[rocky stump]

Yeah it's fast but not fast fast

Disintegrate on paper multiplies your mining speed by a lot

Talking out my ass here, but I believe the base config is like 20x or some shit

[river crown]

dang

[rocky stump]

You evaporate obsidian

[short olive]

i think this is the best it can get right? maybe besides antimatter pick head?

[tall raptor]

Hey I'm curious but other recommendation on tinker's spreadsheet will pop or not?

[fickle barn]

The durability gets nuked rapidly yes

[tall raptor]

Someone has advice for fire dragonsteel armor with tinkers?

[thin owl]

What kind of advice?

[tall raptor]

With what would you mix firesteel pieces for examples?

(Before end)

[thin owl]

For maille I might go with the individual components for activated chromatic steel(with the exception of iridium obviously)

Although 4 blaze netherite mailles also wouldn't be too bad, you'd be able to fix your armor by standing in lava

Which would mean you don't need to use more dragonsteel

[tall raptor]

Mhm but iridium is only foundable in end right?

[tall raptor]

Can I repair the armor with the maille material?

[thin owl]

That's why I said "with the exception of iridium" :P

[thin owl]

I don't believe so, no

[tall raptor]

Yeah so the blaze netherite makes obviously sense...

[thin owl]

I'd either go with 4 pieces of blaze netherite, or one each of blaze netherite, blizz enderium, blitz lumium and basalz signalum

[tall raptor]

This induce the use of fire steel for 3/4 pieces right?

(For repair)

[thin owl]

Correct, yes

But it gives you the protection modifiers from those materials

It's a trade-off of which you value more, stats or easy repair

[tall raptor]

Which is pretty good

The only black dot now for fire steel is the blood dragon that I don't know how to farm that efficienly

[thin owl]

Yeah, that's definitely a bottleneck

[tall raptor]

Need a male and female to kill some babies x)

[thin owl]

First of all, good lord

[thin owl]

Second of all, that only works if you have someone else hatch them lol

[tall raptor]

You joking? If you kill your dragon it doesn't work?

[thin owl]

I think because they're your pet, you can't damage them

My suggestion for finding dragon nests is to scry for piles of gold coins with the ars nouveau ritual

[tall raptor]

Yeah that's what I'm doing but even with this it's a pain in the ass

[thin owl]

Could always just wait it out for entity radar to get re-added

[summer ridge]

What is the drygmy tech?

[worn tapir]

irradium plate + blade, osglosglas and fluix crystal heavy handles

[fickle barn]

add the novice modifier (5x magebloom fiber) so it will slowly repair itself off of ars mana

for the maille go enderium for platebody and platelegs, blitz lumium for hat and basalt signalum for boots

[fickle barn]

put enderium and ACS as rods

[chilly ibex]

it needs unbreakable or else it just breaks instantly

[chilly ibex]

what drygmy tech are you talking about?

[fickle barn]

there are one (maybe multiple? idk tbh) monsters that for some weird reason make drygmies give dungeon loot

so u end up getting pans and war picks every so often

similar to how rat fishers occasionally give swashers

[chilly ibex]

probably multiple, i think i've had one in mine

[fickle barn]

as long as we dont reveal the monsters name it may just stay abusable

[tall raptor]

No blaze netherite for a part?

[fickle barn]

No, dsteel is better

And enderium also as a mai

Netherite only as armor core before dragonsteel

[tall raptor]

but I mean for a maille

And what kind of protection, the full mix?

Like Protection I that I upgrade?

[summer ridge]

For ACS armour, is the 20% thing additive or stand alone? Like if I had acs maille on two different armour pieces, would it be a 40% to nullify or each have a 20% chance to nullify?

[tall token]

brother are u using xray

[tall token]

anyway keep in mind i havent went into the end yet so improvements can be made

[tall raptor]

For you what are the most interesting abilities and defense slot for armor?

[mellow mason]

Definitely the latter, because otherwise you could have 160% nullified damage
I'm not sure whether that applies to having two acs parts of the same armor piece (basically, whether acs plate acs maille gives 40% or 2 instances of 20%), but I know the difference isn't really that much and either way acs acs is by far the strongest armor so I don't believe it really factors into any decisions

[tall token]

well first of unbreakable as yk ur armor no longer breaks and you dont have to invest in constantly repairing it

[tall raptor]

Yeah...but don't have access right now to end

[chilly ibex]

don't really need unbreakable because there's multiple methods of repairing other than repair kits

[tall raptor]

Cause right now I have 5 ability and 5 defense slot available

[chilly ibex]

early game you have manasteel which repairs with botania mana and you also have ars nouveau modifiers which just repairs the armor over time using ars mana....mid game you have blaze netherite which repairs itself with fire/lava, end game you have chromatic steel which can just be charged with RF...

unbreakable is nice though

[tall raptor]

I used a novice modifier

[chilly ibex]

novice is the bare minimum you need, i don't actually know if the higher level modifiers repair more or not

mage and archmage

[tall raptor]

Don't know to be fair

But for now novice will be great

Right now I ask myself what reinforcement can be interesting for the armor, plus the abilities

[chilly ibex]

mage and archmage DO give you more mana boost/regen if you use ars nouveau at all

[tall raptor]

Feel like the cobalt is the easiest to reach

[tall raptor]

Don't use it much but want to see 🙂

[chilly ibex]

melee prot needs to reach 80% across the whole armor, meaning you can have 40% on 2 pieces

[tall raptor]

More is useless?

[chilly ibex]

not useless just unnecessary

you should use as many slots for revitalized as you can honestly

[tall raptor]

And is it interesting to use diamond + emerald?

[chilly ibex]

i mean, they give extra armor/toughness and durability

also netherite for another extra bit of armor iirc

[tall raptor]

And in the future i still can remove them so yeah gonna put all of 3

Does a lot of bosses does projectile / magic damage?

[keen oxide]

the netherite upgrade doesn't help till you're past blaze netherite tho cause it has it innately

[tall raptor]

But it gives a extra bit of armor

Plus I didn't use blaze netherite

I used blizz enderium, basalz signalum and blitz lumium

[chilly ibex]

as maille though..right?

[tall raptor]

Yeah yeah and the core armor is fire steel

[chilly ibex]

fire steel?

[tall raptor]

fire dragonsteel*

[chilly ibex]

ah

[tall raptor]

What? x)

[summer ridge]

what does the mosquito modifier do? Encyclopedia just says "sharing is caring"

[dreamy ore]

i was able to harvest my dragons just fine
hatched them myself and fed them to t5 then had them sit still, much more relaxing than wild ones

[granite nexus]

Any recomendation for matter manipulator?

Still not on the end

[river crown]

Disintegration crystal tough collar is the key one, I went with osgloglas for the rest of the parts but it's not as important

[granite nexus]

Why is that important?

[river crown]

Fortune III

[granite nexus]

And what upgrade should I add?

[river crown]

also in theory it speeds up the more you use it at cost of durability but since matter manipulator doesn't use durabilty it just means it speed up as you use it. (though this is bugged right now so the speed boost doesn't happen)

that's a more interesting question, luckiest stacks with fortune nicely, you can add a range increase if you want, haste upgrade only really matters if you plan on using it on obsidian. Vein mining is kind of a mixed blessing. only the stuff you hit with the laser directly will go into your inventory the rest of the vein you have to walk over to pick up. Still I have it on mine. working area upgrade only affects the left click mode. Tank upgrade affects how much fuel it can hold but usually isn't really needed

[dreamy ore]

are you sure the working area is left click only? my laser does 5x3

[river crown]

weird mine does 1x1 and my left click does 4x3 maybe I did it wrong?

[dreamy ore]

Try right clicking it in your inventory to change to aoe mode

[river crown]

ah that would do it

[fickle barn]

Range upgrade is also broken right now, neither mining gun or ion gun get any effect from the range upgrade

[tall raptor]

Crocodile scut is supposed to give 5 armor?

Cause it changes nothing to my armor

[past drift]

it's not visible on the armor

only when you wear it

the modifier is added in a weird way, it does apply directly to the player when they are wearing the armor, instead of being applied to the armor

[tall raptor]

Oh yeah tried it and it's true

Don't know why they did that

[past drift]

note that there also is a bug currently that if you now unequip the armor you keep the armor bonus

when Emper/Adam hopefully update the pack to the current version of that mod (I think it's tinkers integrations) that bug is fixed (because I fixed it myself :3)

[tall raptor]

Oh nice! Gg 🙂
You're a dev?

[past drift]

no, I just contribute stuff when I know how

[tall raptor]

That's great 🙂

[shy fjord]

What are the best Modifiers for a hepatizon hammer?

[granite nexus]

emerald diamond netherite and depending on the focus of the tool, I personally have luckier and haste

[shy fjord]

And what would you suggest as the plates and rod? I currently have a rose gold plate, Slimesteel plate and Cobalt tough rod but Maybe theres better options?

[thin owl]

If you have any blaze netherite armor pieces, you can't go wrong putting some blaze netherite on your hammer as well

Increase the efficiency of the afk lava repair bath

[shy fjord]

I am no where near blaze netherite

I need to start on cobalt armor but idk how tinkers armor works at all🤣

[thin owl]

If you have hepatizon you're pretty near it

[shy fjord]

I need to focus on armor though

[thin owl]

Blaze Netherite is just molten blazing blood on a netherite ingot in a casting table

[shy fjord]

Ah. I see.

[thin owl]

It's good for armor and tools, especially because you can repair blaze netherite stuff by being on fire

[shy fjord]

Does it make you immune to fire?

[thin owl]

Which doesn't deal any damage because it also gives you--yes

[past drift]

you can swim in lava

[shy fjord]

Hm. Any tips on armor then? Cause Thats my biggest struggle right now. I put off armor for too long and diamond is just too weak

[past drift]

blaze netherite

[thin owl]

I'd suggest blaze netherite plating, probably hepatizon maille to start

Then eventually you'll want the various other entity alloys(blizz enderium, blitz lumium, basalz signalum) for mailles

[shy fjord]

Ok. Someone said cobalt Maille to start. But I haven’t looks at the armor tabs

I forget, With tinkers can you directly upgrade a part of the armor?

Without making new armor

[thin owl]

You can replace them, yeah

[shy fjord]

That uses the upgrade slot?

Very new to Tinkers 3

[thin owl]

No, it just replaces the piece

Iron/copper helmet into the anvil with steel helmet plating becomes steel/copper helmet

For example

[shy fjord]

Ok. So Blaze Netherite plate and Hepatizon Maille on all pcs of armor?

[thin owl]

That'll be a good start, yeah

[shy fjord]

Thank you.Got a lot of mining in the nether to do cause I have to make 3 sets. Is there a specific y value that Cobalt is most common?

[thin owl]

https://discord.com/channels/640591918752858122/1392264625940332738 this should (might) have it

[past drift]

cobalt is super common

[shy fjord]

Sweet.

[past drift]

for ancient debris use the Ars scrying ritual

[shy fjord]

Maybe im just un lucky cause theres like 3-4 pcs every 400 blocks

And its all on the ceiling

And I dont have fortune cause I havent gone to bumblezone

Cause Endermen dont spawn either😂

[past drift]

what does fortune have to do with the bumblezone...?

[shy fjord]

According to JEI to get tinkers “Fortune” You need a flower from the bumble zone. And ive been lazy with getting normal enchants

[past drift]

well that's not true, not sure what you've read

the 3 levels of fortune all have a different recipe, the rarest ingredient are probably the rabbits feet iirc

[shy fjord]

It said something about a structure in the bumblezone that has flowers. But I guess it says that for all flowers. I just havent found the blue flower. I dont remember what the name of the flower is

[chilly ibex]

yea that's not true at all.....tinker's has its own modifier that combines looting and fortune pretty much

[past drift]

ah yeah that might be, I think there are some misleading tooltips like that

just go flower hunting

[chilly ibex]

there IS a material that gives a tool straight up looting 3 that stacks with lucky but it's on very specific parts

[shy fjord]

I know about the modifier Theres just a tool tip for the modifier recipe thats wrong I guess

[past drift]

maybe with bonemeal

[shy fjord]

I will try. I just dont know if its biome specific or not. Cause I also wanted to start botania but it said the same thing for the daisy

[past drift]

the daisy you craft, the recipe should be in JEI as well

[chilly ibex]

if you're trying to start botania, look for the hanging garden

otherwise you can just make the botania fertilizer

[past drift]

and most importantly: when you find Botania flower circles... dig down first before collecting them all

[shy fjord]

This is good input😂Thank you guys

[chilly ibex]

not sure what botania has to do with tinker's though

[shy fjord]

Terra steel is a material

So is mana steel

[past drift]

mana steel pre nether is not bad

[chilly ibex]

obviously, but other than that

[past drift]

terra steel sadly only works if the full armor has it

[shy fjord]

Thats when I looked was pre nether

[chilly ibex]

you mean each piece has to have terrasteel

[past drift]

yes

[chilly ibex]

could be misread as both plating and maille has to be terrasteel

[past drift]

I assume it's having the trait on all parts

[chilly ibex]

right

looking at the spreadsheet, we don't have terrasteel.......cool...

[shy fjord]

Spreadsheet?

[chilly ibex]

look at pinned

but i don't feel like opening the pack to just get a couple numbers

[shy fjord]

I will look when I get home. Thanks for the help. Always nice having a nice community to help. This is the first time im playing a modpack this big. So im going really slow

[chilly ibex]

@past drift are you playing MCE2 right now by any chance?

[past drift]

nope

[chilly ibex]

hm

don't worry about it then

[wind flower]

terrasteel iirc is disabled entirely

unless you changed configs

[pulsar lodge]

there is just no material for it

that is all

[wind flower]

meant the mod. but yeah there is also no material for it

btw would (could?) you ever be able to make a expensive terrasteel mod for tinkers that could take the helmet mods from botania?

[pulsar lodge]

possibly

but it may not be reasonable to implement without commiting mixin to the base tcon armor item class

atleast atm

[wind flower]

could be possible to add it as a modifier similar to rebalance?

[pulsar lodge]

unless i implement the hooks in a different way

[wind flower]

rebalance where you can only do it once and take 1-2 mod slots? or similar

(or ability slot)

[pulsar lodge]

it should be possible to do it in a way where you can only have one

it could require me adding a custom intermediary slot, but that's not too bad

[wind flower]

would it be possible to reuse the rebalance modifier base code? (atleast for selection)

[pulsar lodge]

i might be able to do something similar, idk

i can't literally recycle it as is, would need changes, otherwise it would eat the same space as rebalanced

[wind flower]

ofc

i just meant similar

enough

[pulsar lodge]

but yeah, there's a few ways i could do it, huh

[wind flower]

would be fun and make botania worth it in armor space (?) or you could even do something like terrasteel maille that has the slot by default

[past drift]

hm, from Tray's comment I would have expected my vein hammer to immediately explode with disintegrate

but it's actually fine, maybe the few levels of reinforcement are already helping to mitigate that even while not unbreaking yet

[chilly ibex]

with zero reinforcement, it would explode near instantly

you basically need unbreakable on it

[past drift]

I have reinforcement 3 I think at it just works... pretty normally

[chilly ibex]

never really tried with different levels

[past drift]

hm, maybe that's related to the supposed vampire hunter disintegrate bug

because if that effect is not working...

[chilly ibex]

i never did vampirism

[past drift]

but the important part for me is the fortune so I can't complain I guess

[chilly ibex]

yea, with everything combined it comes out to like fortune 8 which is ridiculous for the vein hammer, unless you go to protocite

[past drift]

@rocky stump so you might be right... I'm hunter and my disintegration crystal vein hammer isn't exploding, which would make sense if disintegrate trait is not working. so I don't have the speed up positive part and also not the negative part of the tool just breaking, which is pretty funny, because IMO a net positive of something not working

[chilly ibex]

what the fuck? that's such a WEIRD bug

[past drift]

yeah, makes no sense. the claim is, just to repeat it here: vampire hunter breaks disintegrate trait

[chilly ibex]

you're sure it's because of vampirism??

[past drift]

I'm not the one who discovered it, but my observation now fits the described discovery

[chilly ibex]

is it JUST the hunter role? or would vamp affect it as well?

[past drift]

afaik just being hunter, not vampire

[chilly ibex]

if it's both, then probably something in the mod itself

just hunter is even weirder

[past drift]

it's extremely strange. the only thing that comes to mind is that VH gives a huge attack speed buff. maybe something there is coded weirdly, attack speed, mining speed, hm

[chilly ibex]

well it says ATTACK speed, not mining speed...

[past drift]

oh which reminds me, I wanted to check if I want to report it

well both mods could be coded weirdly

everything is possible

[chilly ibex]

idk if there's any fixing it honestly if it's a hardcoded thing

[past drift]

report to the respective mods, not to the MCE2 devs

[chilly ibex]

unless you bring it to the devs of either mod

[past drift]

I fixed the crocodile modifier bug myself in the mod that adds it to the pack

[chilly ibex]

nice

what was wrong with it?

[past drift]

well besides it just being generally applied weirdly (to the player not to the armor) it just had the small bug that it wasn't removed when you unequipped the armor

so you could get yourself the buff and then use a different armor

[chilly ibex]

lmao

[past drift]

(not really that worth it to do that, but kinda funny)

and the code error was just a reversed check, it checked if the modifier currently was not applied to then remove it instead of checking if it currently is applied, so the check always failed (because it was applied) and thus didn't remove

literally only 2 wrong ! at 2 places (armor and toughness, swimming speed bonus was correct)

[pallid canyon]

Hello, anyone can explain me what primordial strenght really does? Is like Sharp but just better? Because It doesnt shows the +2 damage in the actual damage of the weapon, maybe i missunderstood the description

Maybe It adds It but It just doesnt shows It, but im not sure

[past drift]

it think it gives you like a strength buff?

[tall raptor]

What does the rebalanced trait does?

Cause I see it penalises something?

[granite nexus]

tier 4 armor mats? I'm using manyullyn

blazing netherite for maille?

[thin owl]

Turns a slot of one kind into another

[thin owl]

IIRC it is better, balanced out by being harder to get and capping at 2 levels

[cloud horizon]

what does metamorphium trait do for tools / weapons?\

[chilly ibex]

increases the stats, it tells you if you hold shift or ctrl

[cloud horizon]

Thasnks, one more question, is there nay purpose in adding world bound to an item that already has netherite trait?

[thin owl]

Nope

It's the immunity from netherite but cheaper and without the other stats

[fickle barn]

Netherite plate with b.enderium maille. Alternatively b.enderium body and legs maille, b.lumium hat maille and b.signalum boots maille.

[rocky stump]

TLDR: It's bad, don't use it

It adds 2 damage to your attacks

Doesn't increase your weapon stats or anything

It's a flat +2 damage added after motion values and buffs

[pallid canyon]

Ooooooh i see, thanks

[pallid canyon]

Hmmmmm i understand now, thanks too

[thin owl]

So it's just worse than sharpness?

[rocky stump]

for the most part, yes

it obviously benefits fast hitting weapons more

but otherwise for most weapons, it's usually skipped

it all depends on how much damage you're doing per hit

early on sure, +2 damage is a lot

later on, the difference between 200 damage and 202 damage is nothing

[pallid canyon]

Ill just so sharpness then

[winged mango]

for expert weapon do i just want full manyullyn?

[rocky stump]

No

[shy fjord]

Are tinkers bows worth it? Or are they garbage

[rocky stump]

meh

[granite nexus]

dragonsteel or blazing netherite for armor plate?

[rocky stump]

I mean, if you have dragonsteel, go with dragonsteel

[granite nexus]

I don't have, indeed I am super unlucky

Beacuse the only dragon egg I got is from an electrict dragon

And the dragon steel is made with enderium xD

[rocky stump]

blaze netherite is fine

dragonsteel is exceedingly expensive

[thin owl]

I got the mekasuit before I got enough dragonsteel for a full set LMAO

[chilly ibex]

i don't recommend making anything out of just one singular material...using different materials is always better

[meager terrace]

Any Tuner Builds in Expert Mode

[candid wing]

got blaze netherite/blizz enderium armor, what should i inbue it with?

[upper raft]

hi guys is there creative modifiers in this pack?

or how such can i get more modifiers?

[pallid canyon]

if you refer to tinkers, you can, and you can see how through jei

[upper raft]

but there isint any creative modifiers right?

[past drift]

no, why would you need them?

[shy fjord]

So I have a question. I noticed that blaze netherite is weeker than regular netherite. Now I know how good tinkers is cause of the modifiers but what Maille would make that plate stronger? Im still no where near a full set of Blaze Netherite. Cause I want to make 3 sets for all on the server.

[past drift]

well for starters you can swim in lava with blaze netherite

[river crown]

usual recommendation is the elemental alloys from thermal, especially blizz enderium

Personally I have one of each and one antimony for poison/wither resistance though fluix crystals will also work and let you repair it in a AE charger

you'll need a lot of the elemental alloys for making ACS (activated chromatic steel) which is probably the best post end tinker's armor material so you might want to capture the thermal blaze likes to set up drgmy farms

[shy fjord]

See the problem with Blizz Enderium. Is ender pearls. Endermen are the rarest thing for me and when I do find one I get one pearl every 5-6 Kills. So basically running around for 2 hours to get 1 enderpearl

[past drift]

don't you have looting on your weapon?

[shy fjord]

Yes

My luck is just that awful

But Looting also doesnt help when I dont find any endermen😂 I spent 4 hours in a warped forest and saw 3

[golden echo]

Time to start a drygmy farm and catch yourself an endermen in there

[shy fjord]

got 2 enderpearls

[shy fjord]

I dont know what a Drygmy farm is, A very much noob when it comes to modded

[past drift]

you could also use powered spawners

[golden echo]

Ah ok right, fair enough... you need quite some Ars Knowledge to get all the requisits to make one. That being said, there is a small Ars questline, so maybe the time to get into Ars? ^^

[shy fjord]

Currently doing that. Just dont have good source sources🤣

Want the scrying ritual to help me get the 40 more pcs of debris I need

[golden echo]

Create Tree farm for endless logs, turn them into charcoal and then just use a Volcanic Sourcelink to burn it into source.

Then again, you need at least Create Knowledge for that ^^

[shy fjord]

I got a little of that. I was thinking of making a blazing arch wood farm then seeing if I can have deployers place them on the pedestals to auto generate source but idk if that works

[golden echo]

That would work technically. It all depends on your setup. But probably conveyor going up to a pedestal that has a Funnel on the side of it would work better to put stuff on the pedestal imho.

Then again, there are always rats that you can make to move stuff :P

[shy fjord]

I mean im still learning create. But The lack of Ender pearls is actually an issue😂Especially for tinkers. Shouldnt have used 2 to make the orb for the nether

I have a lot of tutorials to watch🤣

[past drift]

I think I remember people saying that chests in the ice maze can have pearls

or go find yourself an enderman spawner in one of those weird dungeons

[shy fjord]

I mean I already Cardboard boxed a blaze spawner to make the blazing blood farm. So thats not too far fetched🤣

[pallid canyon]

you can do that?

[past drift]

why not?

[pallid canyon]

like

you craft a cardboard box and then you can pick up any spawner?

[past drift]

yes

[pallid canyon]

i didnt know that

[past drift]

also other useful things like flawless certus quartz

[pallid canyon]

omg thats so usefull

[past drift]

that's basically the main use of those boxes

[pallid canyon]

wooow, thanks for the info

[golden echo]

I have heard that you can even transport a sculk sensor (whatever it's called) with you that will still summon a warden like that (which doesn't work if you break it with silk touch or so)

[pallid canyon]

this opens so much doors for me

[past drift]

it might also be able to break stuff you don't want to break

like picking up a smeltery controller

so don't do stupid stuff with it

[pallid canyon]

thanks for the advice

[upper raft]

for fun i remember completing a modpack before and my friend and i just tried to stack tons of stuff on our weapons and armor regardless of redundancy or not

[past drift]

ah I see

well there are ways to get more modifiers, all listed in the book(s)

[upper raft]

yeahh it was cool because each item added on would change the look of the weapon

so i was wondering if its possible to stack like that again just for the funsies

[pallid canyon]

i wish tinkers had an update were you can customize your weapon looks without affecting them and you could do things like that

[past drift]

well there are some slotless modifiers

[pallid canyon]

yeah i know but i just like to customize things a lot, but i dont think is a popular opinion so

[lavish jewel]

how can I actually find good tool combos in here

[past drift]

there is a sheet pinned that has some suggestions

[lavish jewel]

like 4 suggestions yea

none for Expert Mode

I want to create a clever but I am not sure what combo of materials to use

[past drift]

manyullyn is a good start

[lavish jewel]

have that

but like do I do everything out of it or use other materials as well?

[past drift]

mine is 100% of it but that's actually not necessarily that good

I think a part blizz enderium is ok for the trait

[lavish jewel]

I know, that 100% isnt good but I am not that deep into tinker knowledge to actually know what combos are good

[past drift]

well I didn't find anything better at that point so I made it 100%

now that I'm a bit later I should actually probably change same parts

I think osgloglas or something, needs osmium

[lavish jewel]

can create that as well

just put 100 osmium clump into the doubling machine so that isnt a problem

so osgloglas cleaver is better?

[past drift]

don't know, look at the stats

also note that you can easily access material stats in JEI, you don't need to flip through the annoying book all the time

[golden echo]

Also, when you have a tinker anvil, use the Tinker Planner to make your non-armor tinker stuff

That being said, the problem with the planner is that there is no search/filter function -.-

[past drift]

ah right, the planner that was added last patch. yeah it's very irritating to use

who thought looking through pages of tiny icons of different colors that sometimes look the same was a good idea

[polar pewter]

Do protection mods cap at 80% if I max out all of my armor with melle protection 4 with the cobalt modifiers its pointless technically if it just caps at 80%

idk if im making sense I can reword if needed

[past drift]

each prot is 8%, so you need 10 times total

[polar pewter]

so anything over 10 is technically a waste

[past drift]

yes

[polar pewter]

okay thank you

[past drift]

for free slots you could use other protection or something like revitalize (gives hearts)

[polar pewter]

Okay that makes sense

Luckily I saw somewhere it caps otherwise I wouldve wasted so much

[swift hull]

If I made an Ionized Cannon with Cinderslime, would it be able to sustain itself using the lava I carry in it?

On that note, does Lava count as Liquid Fuel for the purposes of the Overburn effect?

[polar pewter]

what does it mean when a tinkers item can be imbued

I was thinking of ars lol

[pulsar lodge]

iron's spells

[polar pewter]

ahh okay havent touched yuet

[stable solar]

What's the best armor early-end?

[river crown]

Nothing really new until you get Activated Chromatic Steel which is great

[short olive]

i'm wondering if antimatter is better for damage because the stat boost of densium seems strong

[chilly ibex]

antimatter is not necessary unless you really want to min-max damage

[granite nexus]

Opinions on my armor? Missing 1 upgrade slot and I don't know what to add (already hit 80% melee prot)

[upper raft]

How did you get sm upgrades

[upper raft]

Post great?

[granite nexus]

Yes

[granite nexus]

End Crystal, etc...

[upper raft]

Ahh

Sweet empoleon pfp btw xD

[granite nexus]

thx Xd

Rico X Empoleon Collab

[river crown]

Should I use activated chromatic steel for maille or plating? or both?

[mellow mason]

acs maille acs plate

[tiny zinc]

I’ve just hit master mode, what is the best tinkers armor to work towards for the end of the game? I have a lightning dragonsteel forge I haven’t gotten to use yet so I have access to that but is it the best?

[mellow mason]

Acs maille acs plate

[tiny zinc]

The maille and the plate is that good? I'm surprised you don't use something else as either the maille or the plate for more abilities

Do you have any suggestions for ion cannons? I've never made one before but I'm thinking of making one now

[mellow mason]

If you want (and are super insanely lategame mekanism, so I don't recommend it) you can swap the chestplate maille for protocite, which says it gives immunity to debuffs, but personally I don't think that's worth losing another stack of the acs empowered ability (the thing that makes acs the best)

[chilly ibex]

one stack of ACS is good enough already imo

[mellow mason]

no damage > some damage
what else would you use the slots for

[chilly ibex]

i don't think it's that much of a difference

even with dragonsteel/ACS last update, i wasn't taking a lot of damage from anything really

[fickle barn]

Crocodile modifier maybe

[mellow mason]

With all acs, it's about 40% the damage taken of half acs
I'm too lazy to do the math on how much the armor diff matters again but there's no way it's even close to *.4
If you're gonna get some acs, why not go all the way

[tiny zinc]

Was the dragonsteel the plate or the maile?

[mellow mason]

dragonsteel maille is worthless, the plating has the highest armor value in tinkers though
fire dragonsteel plate blizz enderium maille might be good as very late expert armor, perhaps, though idr what it takes to melt it

[tiny zinc]

I see, what if I did dragonsteel as the base and acs as the maile? Would that be better than running blitz enderium as the maille?

Also how does the Metamorphosis effect even work from the Blizz enderium?

[golden echo]

As Durability is used, Metamorphosis is increasing. So the more you actually use your armor or tool, the more it's increasing and gives a buff to all stats of the armor/tool afaik.

[tiny zinc]

Is there a cap or does it go on forever?

[golden echo]

Metamorphosis? Goes up to 100% I believe and then is done

Which supposedly results in a either 15% or 25% bonus... not sure, have heard someone say that in this discord here ^^

[past drift]

so blizz enderium for one of the cleaver handles? it gives -10% attack speed, ew

but I assume a leveled metamorph might make it worthwhile at some point

[chilly ibex]

25% iirc

[past drift]

I wonder how the exact math works. when blizz enderium has -10% attack speed, but maxed leveled metamorph gives +25%... would that be like if the handle part had +15% attack speed? 🤔

[golden echo]

Well if it's both multipliers, then the result would be 12.5%

[chilly ibex]

i'm pretty sure it just increases overall stats, not individual parts..

[past drift]

yeah that's the question...

because if that's the case the gain would be higher, wouldn't it

because you have 2 handles, 1 handle is bad with the -10%, now if 1 handle is good, let's say +20%

and a 25% multiplier total, but it could also just be additive instead of mulitplicative 🤔

tinkers math is so dumb

especially if it's from 5 differnt mods all doing stuff differently and not explaining shit

so I just have to look up how ToolStats.ATTACK_SPEED.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus); works exactly

well anyway, what was the goal?
densium handle, blizz handle, osgloglas blade and... ACS blade?

[chilly ibex]

wouldn't it be better to swap densium and osgloglas

[past drift]

oh densium handle might have been better for mining? forgot the stats

[chilly ibex]

densium has higher base damage than osgloglas so

osgloglas is better for mining speed

[past drift]

I would test the % behaviour ingame, but that's actually not quite as easy because of the leveling it needs

like... the new tinkers planner doesn't even help for that

[rocky stump]

what % behaviour are you uncertain of

[past drift]

the exact math

[rocky stump]

way higher

the 25% is a multiplier on the whole weapon

on a handle part on a cleaver, the percentages listed do not take full effect

because on a cleaver, there are 2 handles

[past drift]

yeah I know that math

so metamorph always applies to the whole tool?

so at most you need one part of it? (assuming it doesn't stack)

[rocky stump]

BE has -10% Attack, +25% ASPD, on a cleaver the modifier for a single handle becomes -5% ATK, +12.5% ASPD
With metamorphosis, the final actual percentage mod is +20% ATK, +37.5% ASPD
So it's equivalent to a handle material with +40% ATK, +75% ASPD

The game doesn't increases the shown percentage higher than 25%, but someone on here has spoken anecdotally about it stacking

I cannot confirm it

either ways for most weapons you can only fit one

[past drift]

btw if someone was wondering what stats it's supposed it increase... a lot of them:

ToolStats.ARMOR_TOUGHNESS.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);
ToolStats.ARMOR.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);
ToolStats.ATTACK_DAMAGE.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);
ToolStats.ATTACK_SPEED.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);
ToolStats.MINING_SPEED.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);
ToolStats.DURABILITY.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);
ToolStats.DRAW_SPEED.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);
ToolStats.PROJECTILE_DAMAGE.percent(modifierStatsBuilder,bonus);

[rocky stump]

the only ones that matter are atk and aspd for weapons

[past drift]

the max in code is 25% indeed, but not sure if it would stack multiple trait levels

I don't think it does

basically it has an if(tool.getPersistentData().getFloat(KEY_MORPH_BONUS) < 0.25) to check it morph is allowed to increase its own value

[rocky stump]

depends on what you want to skew your cleaver towards, more attack or more attack speed

generic build is densium x2, be x1, acs x1

[past drift]

well attack speed has probably a practical limit and the bosses with their stupid cap also have a limit

[rocky stump]

acs isn't great for stats but it's great utility

the moment you slap densium as a handle in your attack speed goes well below the practical limit

it's still fine, but QOL wise it's a bit sucky

and realistically you're using your weapon 90% of the time against random shittertons

there's also the movement speed nerf to deal with

the generic non minmax build would be densium blade, densium large plate, be handle, acs handle

[past drift]

ah I see, that's at least a good point of reference

not quite at densium, currently osgloglass phase

[rocky stump]

osgloglas is more than fine

densium is quite a letdown, it's barely an upgrade

for the cost required, at least

[past drift]

but BE is actually worth it? because considering it takes time to level that's certainly something I should have added earlier can add now

[rocky stump]

for an optimal weapon yes, and it's barely an inconvenience to level it up

you'll have it maxed in a day

if you're adamant about having it maxed asap just afk holding down left click on a target dummy

[past drift]

seems to level slowly on my armor

[rocky stump]

come back in 10 minutes

[past drift]

but I guess I kill before I get hit usually

[rocky stump]

it stacks off of durability damage

[past drift]

and swiming in acid might work if I wanted to

actually i was wondering, ACS has all those elemental traits or soemthing, right? metamorph included?

[rocky stump]

no

there's a reason why we're using BE and not just ACS

ACS only inherits one of the traits from each elemental alloy

from BE, it inherits frost plating

the trait that doubles damage against burning targets

[past drift]

ah yeah makes sense

[rocky stump]

metamorphium is strictly from BE

[past drift]

was thinking about the ACS armor

it's missing metamorph then

[rocky stump]

It is, but for armor it's much less of a consideration

[past drift]

ACS is strong enough even without it I guess

[rocky stump]

toughness caps out early, and more armor while nice especially mid modpack pales in comparison to just stacking more kinds of damage resist

which ACS does

[chilly ibex]

if it did stack, it'd be like "Metamorphium I" or something with roman numerals yea?

[past drift]

probably

but considering there are like 5 different tinkers addons they have... varying quality level

[shy fjord]

Is Blizz Enderium Mallie worth getting before getting tinkers armor. I worked my butt off to get to Blaze netherite plates, But Blizz Enderium Maille seems like the best one

[rocky stump]

Sure

[chilly ibex]

plating and maille are both parts of tinker's armor..

also the first part doesn't really make sense

[mellow mason]

Acs is better than blizz enderium yes
It's also better than dragonsteel
If you're using blizz enderium then that's under the assumption you aren't in master mode yet, i.e. no access to acs

[shy fjord]

Im asking if I should get Blizz Enderium for the Maille Before i craft it, I have all the Blaze Netherite for the Plates, I just dont know what to use for the Maille

[chilly ibex]

yea, i didn't read that as you asking if you should use blizz for the maille.....but yes

if you wanted to ask if you should use blizz enderium for maille, don't make it confusing like that

[shy fjord]

What would be the best set up for an Ion Cannon Mid Nether

And how does the fluid to attack to work?

[muted coyote]

does traits like frost plating or insatiable stack with more parts? if so what would be the better one to stack on a cleaver with blazing netherite blade?

[grim mirage]

@celest jetty not sure if this is what you'd be going for or not... I'm not very good at tinkers stuff TBH

[celest jetty]

thanks a bunch dude ill try it out

[celest jetty]

what fuel are you using here?

[shy fjord]

I dont even know what you can use for fuel

[grim mirage]

IDK, this was just theoretical... I'm not a huge fan of the ion cannon. I stick to the more traditional stuff.... sorry

[celest jetty]

ohh right

no worries

[grim mirage]

I probably should try to like the other stuff but IDK I'm a sucker for the classics

[shy fjord]

Ive heard the Ion Cannon is Goated, But I dont know what to put on it, What do you use?

[celest jetty]

also how do you put fuel in the ion cannon😭

[lusty lantern]

What upgrades do you guys look for armor ?
Made blazing netherite and hepatizon armor and just put diamonds, and magic protection. What else you guys look for?

[shy fjord]

I put Melee Prot on mine, But I also Did Blaze Netherite plate with Blizz Enderium Mallie, With Diamond and emerald for extra durability,

[chilly ibex]

melee protection is all you need honestly

[shy fjord]

How many Levles are there of Melee Prot?

[river crown]

what modifiers should I put on ACS/ACS armor?

[mellow obsidian]

Can someone tell me what im missing? i was just following the quest book but apparantly that wasnt enough for these achievements

[pulsar lodge]

the former wants the other sorts of Tanks the melter can use, and the latter wants the Scorched version of the anvil

ftr, the need for all of those is due to a bug converting OR conditions in advancements into ANDs

it only seems to affect servers oddly enough

[mellow obsidian]

Oh T_T ty ill start working on that haha im completely new to tinkeres, i wanted to avoid this channel cuz people said that people in here can be a bit much XD

is it just me or is the quest book wrong, For the foundry controller it says you need molten obsidian (quest book), But in JEI it says u need molten cobolt

am i wrong here?

[past drift]

yes, fixed next patch

JEI is of course correct

[mellow obsidian]

okay thought so, i just didnt know if i was being dumb T_T im new to this and the achievement stuff is bugging me XD

[pulsar lodge]

oh wait did i update that text lmao

[past drift]

yes, pretty sure

[pulsar lodge]

ok i did

good

[river panther]

did ancient debris generation change in this pack?

Not having much luck finding it

[past drift]

well it's rare, it's always rare

hint: Ars scrying ritual (you need at least 1)

[river panther]

i remember getting stacks of it in vanilla the last time i played but here i found 1

I have not ever played ars yet

oh boy

wait im in the wrong channel

[past drift]

it's a good reason to go into Ars

ars is very useful

[shy fjord]

Are Katana's from tinkers any good? I know the Ion Cannon is the best, but I dont think I have the materials to make it really good

[mellow obsidian]

I cant find this in the advancements

[pulsar lodge]

it's supposed to be visually connected to the Foundry advancements, according to the source

https://github.com/SlimeKnights/TinkersConstruct/blob/1.20.1/src/generated/resources/data/tconstruct/advancements/foundry/plate_armor.json

[shy fjord]

What do you fill the Ion Cannon With?

Any Fluid?

[sage geyser]

yeah

if you read tinkers encyclopedia there is a list of what effect each fluid has

[grim mirage]

mine does not, it just ends instead of showing fluid effects

[minor ember]

what are good modifiers for blaze netherite armor?

[orchid nimbus]

I just fill mine with lava since it’s so plentiful in the nether

[polar pewter]

would cobalt be a good maille for blaze netherrite armor?

not sure which would be the best

[grave meadow]

blitz enderium

[polar pewter]

Haven’t made the end yet unfortunately

Unless that isn’t the end but I assumed cuz it has end in its name

[mellow mason]

blizz enderium just takes blizz cubes (overworld) and ender pearls

[grim mirage]

does protocite still give debuff immunity if it's used as maile?

[tiny zinc]

Does Metamorphium from Blizz Enderium work on a pickaxe binding?

[sage geyser]

yes

as the trait boosts the stats of the entire tool, not just the piece its made from

[sage geyser]

If it has that trait as plate armour then it will. as maille is functionally the same as the plate armour but with only traits and no stats

[steel ermine]

how is yours so strong and mine got like 9 dmg ?

[sage geyser]

probably has sharpness and stuff on it

also bismuth and bismuthite are 2 different materials

bismuthite is a byproduct of smelting bismuth in a foundry

[steel ermine]

mine is the same as his.. but his color of the cleaver is different. like the name is blue mine is grey

[sage geyser]

show yours

[river crown]

Does protocite's debuff immunity extend to Mekanism's radiation damage? Also if I'm currently using full ACS for both plate and mailles which piece would be the best to replace with protocite?

[sage geyser]

i don't believe so as mek radiation isn't a potion effect

[sage geyser]

they do some weird jank with it so its explicitly not a potion effect

[steel ermine]

maybe i need to upgrade it ? i am new 😄

[sage geyser]

i think i might know whats happening here

and its only half related to tinkers

i think the mod legendary tooltips is giving his cleaver a border/name colour because its doing a higher damage, that mod counts it as higher "rarity"

[steel ermine]

so its random ?

[river crown]

hmm unfortunate, though it would still work on wither and poison right?

[sage geyser]

Yeah

[steel ermine]

is there a better starter cleaver for me ?

[sage geyser]

Not quite, more like once the damage reaches a certain point, legendary tooltips will probably go "okay yeah thats strong enough to be a rare weapon"

that cleaver looks fine, you just need to slap some modifers on it

[steel ermine]

so with quartz ? Is there a way expect nether to get it ?

or does certus quartz also works ?

[sage geyser]

has to be nether quartz

and there are a couple of ways to get it without entering the nether

certain sky structures have nether quartz blocks. or you can use create

if you find a single piece of soul sand or soul soul in certain dungeons you can use an encased fan behind it to "bulk haunt" sand into soul sand, you can then "bulk wash" the soul sand to get quartz

[grim mirage]

I din't think it it does, irradium's effect might though but you need to get it up to the level where you can ignore it

[polar pewter]

tf is metamorphium I dont even get it after reading it

so if its maille, the more damage my armor takes the more damage I do?

[golden echo]

It's simply a buff to the starts of that armor. Once its at 100%, it increases the stats by 25%.
It increases when the armor loses durability.

[polar pewter]

do the stats go away when I repair it?

or once it maxes at 100% it stays there forever

[golden echo]

It's a continuous process. So the Metamorphosis % just increases, repair or so doesn't matter (you need to repair it to even have a chance to get to 100% in the first place ^^)

[grim mirage]

is this good for pre-end chest?

[river crown]

You've got room for more modifiers maybe melee protection and/or revitalizing

Oh if you were able to make protocite maille you can probably also do atomic tech to add another slot

[grim mirage]

do I have to put the modifier stuff in there before making it or can I do it later. I haven't done tinkers in a minute.

[pulsar lodge]

you can add slotless bonuses at any time

[grim mirage]

awesome thanks

any advice for tool handles/heads? I know hepatizon is good head material

[chilly ibex]

bro went through all of mekanism before even going to the end....that's insane work and committment

[grim mirage]

Nah I'm on a server and play with 2 other guys and they're both prone to ADHD hyper focus moments

[blissful mango]

What pickaxe everyone running

[chilly ibex]

no pickaxe, just vein hammer here

[high valley]

Quick question what are some good materials for early nether without blaze. I am having trouble exploring the nether cause mobs kill me a lot

[stuck wadi]

what would be the best materials to use for a hammer?

[chilly ibex]

i'd recommend vein hammer over regular hammer honestly, no access to disintegrate crystal

[stuck wadi]

does vein hammer mine in a 3x3? i wanna use it to make a build easier

[chilly ibex]

vein hammer mines in a cone shape

[pulsar lodge]

to be particular, it mines 2 blocks away from the main block you target

[stuck wadi]

ill check it out

question still applies tho lol

idk what to make it out of

[chilly ibex]

actually it mines 3 i'm pretty sure

[pulsar lodge]

it's baseline 2

range extension might bump it to 3

[chilly ibex]

yea you're right

[stuck wadi]

so what would be good mats for it? i can get anything before end

[chilly ibex]

osgloglas for the hammer head is really the only piece i'd recommend, anything else is up to you for stats

[stuck wadi]

what are just some default good options? ive never used tinker's advanced so im kinda out of my depth

[chilly ibex]

look in pinned, there's a spreadsheet with just about every material

[tiny zinc]

I've got all Activated Chromatic Steel as my maille for my armor, how do i switch to the activated mode?

[chilly ibex]

have you tried holding the armor in your hand and hitting the keybind?

[tiny zinc]

No I haven’t, I’ll have to try that I believe I tried pressing it while i was wearing it. The keybind for it is the Cofh switch up or down key right?

[chilly ibex]

i don't remember the keybind

[river crown]

I think it was like v g or b by default

[torn coyote]

anyone know what good expert armour there is

[golden echo]

Blaze Netherite Plate with 2 Mailles made of Blitz Lumium and Basalz Signalum and the other 2 with Blizz Enderium. Upgrade with total 80% Melee Protection.

[torn coyote]

ty

[crystal karma]

[visual trellis]

Where do I get the basalz shards?

[digital saffron]

from basalz, they spawn in nether deltas iirc

[visual trellis]

Thank you, seems like Im gonna have to go on a witch hunt lmao

[torn coyote]

i made the ender io spawner and just collect them in soul jars

any tips on what upgrades to put on the armour

[visual trellis]

So I make the whole set from blaze netherite, and make one of the mailles lumium, signalum and two remaining with enderium?

[visual trellis]

When I put blitz lumium in a smeltery, it just turns into normal lumium?

[river crown]

yeah it's weird, you need to use a foundry and even then part of it will turn into normal lumium

[chilly ibex]

part of it yea, it's apparently intended which i don't really agree with

[visual trellis]

Thats really dumb

Well now I need to find more blitz powder, and I dont even know where they spawn

[digital saffron]

savannas and such

[chilly ibex]

savanna is the main biome imo

[stuck wadi]

anyone have any good setups for making ionized lava?

[visual trellis]

Now just make a lot of cobalt reinforcements?

Any other upgrades I should add to it?

Like emerald, diamond etc.

[river crown]

diamond covered hearts for revitalizing if you've got slots left

[visual trellis]

I havent put anything on it yet

[river crown]

I meant after the cobalt reinforcements

[visual trellis]

Ah so I put the cobalt reinforcements first and then other upgrades

I put in the reinforcements and now I cant put in the apples?

[pulsar lodge]

both are Defense slot modifiers

[visual trellis]

Ah so I have to put the apples on a different part of the armor?

[pulsar lodge]

at this point yes

[visual trellis]

I only put it on the chestplate so far

Ive never really messed around with tinkers armor so I have no clue what Im doing lol

What if I add a music disc?

[pulsar lodge]

most bonus slot modifiers are for Upgrade slots, base mod has no Defense ones

you should check out the tinkers' encyclopedia's Slotless section

[visual trellis]

So pretty much, on one piece, I wanna put all of the diamond hearts and the rest should be cobalt reinforcements?

[pulsar lodge]

you can make it part revitalizing and part cobalt reinforce

up to you

[visual trellis]

Gotcha

Thanks a lot ^^

[visual trellis]

What does it mean that it can be imbued?

[pulsar lodge]

irons' spells, you can put an extra spell into it

[visual trellis]

oh?

[torn coyote]

what weapon should i aim to make in expert mode?

[chilly ibex]

cleaver/katana

nothing else is comparable mid-game

[keen umbra]

What about tuner and ion cannon

Or are those master only, I forget

[chilly ibex]

you can make those any time you want, but best made in master imo

you CAN put something together in late-expert but cleaver will always be better unless you need a ranged weapon for whatever reason

[keen umbra]

Is the tuner worth using over the cleaver/katana in master mode?

[shy fjord]

So I tried to make a katana and Cleaver and cant get one thats worth the material cost IMO. I made a Broad sword that has 2 attack speed and 14 damage, The cleaver has 14.9 and is slow, And the katana has 11. and is still slower. I assume I made them both wrong, But I put the exact same things on those that I did my regular sword and they are just worse in almost every way

The only Difference is the Blizz Enderium, which is what brought my broad Sword to 14dmg

But Manyullyn Cleaver/katana cant compete?

[chilly ibex]

14 damage is like early game levels for a cleaver

osgloglas and blizz enderium for cleaver

[cloud horizon]

what partas should you make osgloglas and what parts blizz enderium? Is there any benefit to making multiple parts out of blizz enderium?

[chilly ibex]

1 part blizz and blade osgloglas

[cloud horizon]

so one tough handle should be blizz enderium and then the other handle/large plate/ broad blade is all osgloglas?

[chilly ibex]

other parts are your preference

[cloud horizon]

how can I make osgloglas? I have all the materials in a foudnery and its not combining

[chilly ibex]

do you have enough of each?

[cloud horizon]

6 ingots of each