MCE2 Sneak Peek Discussion

[flint egret]

Some sort of potion effect that makes you silent while walking could be cool

[fiery jackal]

Make it so you move slower too. Since you could frame it like you have lower gravity

[bold forge]

that's just called crouching

[fiery jackal]

Shhhhh minor details there...

[hybrid path]

Imagine bringing in the mini me's from the golden egg on a back carrier and throwing them down as you salute their sacrifice and they run around (if all that made it to game 2)

[digital yacht]

I think there's an enchant that makes you faster while crouching too

Does it also deafen players? Set volume to 0 for 5 seconds

[flint egret]

Idk if I know how to do that in an elegant way

I'm leaning towards a block actually. Something like this.

Just a concept *

Warden Distraction-inator.
Bomb made from tnt, fireworks and echo shards.
When lit it will temporarily distract any nearby warden for 15-30s.

[digital yacht]

Sounds pretty cool

Macgyver level stuff

[mild basin]

why did i have to be reminded of doofenshmirtz when you said that 😂

[flint egret]

i was channeling him

https://tenor.com/view/dr-heinz-doofenshmirtz-doctor-heinz-doofenshmirts-dr-doofenshmirtz-doctor-doofenshmirtz-heinz-doofenshmirtz-gif-13732052457242158838

[mild basin]

as you should 🙂

[flint egret]

concept block to summerise

can be placed and activated as tnt would
distracts all nearby wardens, drawing them to the block for the duration of the block as it shoots fireworks
is consumed on use
if the warden is attacked by the player it loses focus on the block and targets you once again //new idea
cannot affect the same warden twice //new idea
lasts between 15-30s

feedback / further suggestions are encouraged :>

but when the idea is honed i can start trying to make it work

[digital yacht]

That sounds like a pretty solid starting. What's the range?

[flint egret]

the concept of making them immune after using it once plays into the idea that the are "learning" which i like. your tricks only work once on the same warden!

[flint egret]

unsure, thats something that would just need to be played around with

maybe like 50 blocks? impossible to say unless i can test it

[digital yacht]

Tier system? Might be complex but more firework is more range?

[flint egret]

i wanna keep it relatively simple as a block

[digital yacht]

Yea for the best

[digital yacht]

Sounds like a good starting distance, especially if the player has to activate it like TNT. Gives you time to setup a location and move away

[hollow spoke]

@flint egret if I can ask a simple question, normally in big modpacks it's ez to become op and become gods and now nothing can kill you, *cough cough * ATM , is mce2 anything close to that or is it gonna be more balanced ?

[digital yacht]

Was a convo here if you wanted to read too

About end game balance

[midnight rose]

Any chance you could make a way for you to become odorless to the warden? The main way i die to the warden because it sniffs me out rather than making a noise

[steel glacier]

You could also make a silence potion with upgradable tiers!!!

[flint egret]

I like that a lot. I was thinking about making a potion effect that doesn't set off any sculk sensors or shriekers. Can scale it up by making their duration longer.

That's two options now for avoiding the Warden while mining in the great below. 1 passive and 1 active.

I think one more active option would be good. Something less panicky than the Distraction-inator but in a similar vein

[bold forge]

maybe a shorter range throwable with a long fuse that will pull its attention

just a typical throwable would be obsoleted by a stack of snowballs

though it could also be a nonconsumable

[flint egret]

That's not a bad idea, what about a throwable that places something where it lands and that holds its attention but it can break it as soon as it investigates. Then immediately turning back on the player. Ideally with some sort of cooldown.

Slightly more interesting I than just a throwable I think

You throw a poor little creature who just makes noise until the Warden smashes it into ten million pieces

[bold forge]

that's immoral :) i like it

[flint egret]

Maybe one of those mechanical monkeys with cymbals

[digital yacht]

That sounds awesome

[compact spruce]

i mean, alex's mobs kinda thought of that one, but a hostile one rather than a helpful one

[steel glacier]

Maybe, if rats is included you could have a rat noise upgrade 👀

[digital yacht]

The sacrificial rat

[steel glacier]

May he die with honor 💪

[broken dew]

I was thinking maybe add a block called the heart of skulk that under normal means is not mineable, but add a smithing upgrade that lets you break it and then you’re able to disorient and even kill the wardens (only with the smithing upgrade)

That way you can get decently better gear from the Dimension + have a reason to return

[flint egret]

Wardens can't be killed, that's a core part of the idea

They're a force of nature. You gotta avoid them or temporarily confuse them.

[broken dew]

I see

[flint egret]

You'll want to return because it's the only place to get ||osmium|| and ||uranium|| and it's an infinite cave so plenty of normal ores.

[broken dew]

Oh thats kickass

Yea idky I assumed you hadnt thought of that

Lowkey MCE2 is gonna kill 1.20.1 modding in a good way, unless you want a hardcore rpg or tech pack MCE2 will just be eternally the best

That pun was not intended

[digital yacht]

Wait for that chaos difficulty

[alpine current]

Just some quick thoughts off my head, but what about something that masks your scent to the wardens or something you could shoot at them to make them weaker/slower, possibly inhibiting their sonic boom

Still be unkillable but give you a better chance of escape and/or being undetected

Hmmm or possibly a mechanic where shooting a warden with a firework star rocket causes it to no longer agro onto the player but rather cause it to become disoriented, sending it into a rage, and making it run around and attack randomly

[mild basin]

funny that MCE2 will be 1.16.5

unless that changed which i doubt

[digital yacht]

It's 1.20.1 friend

Watch the trailer

[true coral]

A pack I'm playing has the Swift Sneak enchantment, which makes you move at increased speeds while sneaking in increments per enchant level

It's not exactly walking per SE but still keeps the challenging element of like, micromanaging when you sneak

I guess that'd be a weird potion but it's an idear

[compact spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[mild basin]

Wait it actually went from 1.16.5 to 1.20.1? Yall are too late for april fool's 😭

[mild basin]

Swift sneak....is vanilla....I'm pretty sure...

[true coral]

Lmao goes to show how much I know about vanilla 💀

Had no idea

[mild basin]

Bro I haven't actually touched vanilla in like 10 years

Just pure vanilla

Played a bit of vanilla+ but that's it

Whatever magic mod was shown in that trailer, I need to know....the animations look so good

[compact spruce]

Yeah, it was announced a month ago

#📌-announcements message

[vale vault]

Rat upgrade that gives them a jester hat or maracas or a bell, something that makes noise and distracts enemies, warden included. So just throw a distraction rat lmao

[vale vault]

Oh I just realized you already sorta had that idea as I read farther down

[broken dew]

I think a skulk rat would be kickass

Rat that doesnt make noise walking on skulk but can squeak with a keybind

[vale vault]

Oh cool also just a casual swimming warden on the surface that's horrifying

[broken dew]

So you basically have a little noisebox on wheels

[vale vault]

Yeee thats a cool idea, skulkfied rat with a specific item like a little create remote for the rat (I'm not a fan of more keybinds but i would surviv)

[flint egret]

I'm not gonna mess with other mods in this project too much because even though it's for MCE2 I don't want to fill it up with dependencies and overcomplicate the mod. Furthest I'll go is make some curios I think.

i think rats in 1.20 has a sculk rate upgrade already

idk what it does though

[broken dew]

Oh I didnt know that

Ngl I suck with rats

[vale vault]

Oooooooooo, that's entirely fair... I haven't messed around with the deep dark but maybe even just a normal rat on an arrow would distract the warden anyways since they are attracted to all kinds of mobs right?

[bold forge]

"Rats will emit no vibrations when performing tasks and cannot be detected by Wardens"

[broken dew]

Oh thats like

[vale vault]

O.o

[broken dew]

Safe way to mine found.exe

[bold forge]

already halfway there

[vale vault]

So that does imply that they normally areeeedetected, ok cool time to sacrfice a bunch of rats for my safety,

[broken dew]

Go my friends

I wonder if I can get a plague rat to plague the warden

[compact spruce]

plaguing the warden wouldn't do anything

[fiery birch]

That was so fast!

[flint egret]

Some trivia for anyone interested, these are the two songs that inspired both of the dimensions. ||The Great Beyond is a subsection of The Great Below but I'm not gonna spoil exactly how it works!||

https://open.spotify.com/track/7LBWAib31Cthfz2KoI611Z?si=4lMnTKrfTV2867VyZdsBQA

https://open.spotify.com/track/5q1WdNAToEwsEcW0xFbodg?si=4dL7rfI6RRuWU-EKTdqG-Q

[pliant igloo]

I'm thinking a pair of wool socks as a way to quiet footsteps. Practically no protection but does make it harder to be detected by hostiles.

[flint egret]

And low durability. Good idea

[flint egret]

might be a big strong though compared to the potions, only way i can think to balance it is to make it actively use durability while worn

[broken dew]

oh

get goofed

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[flint egret]

||going to make a special type of night vision that does work but with some caveats ||

[digital yacht]

Sonar vision

I think the open blocks 1.12 version had a sonar vision helmet. It was wild to wear

Or maybe it was extra utils 2

[sonic sail]

i call my sonar throwing rocks in a direction and seeing if it makes noise

[digital yacht]

Ye olde echo location

[true coral]

Am loving what the great below is shaping up to be so far. It's exciting, thinking about how mce1 mining dimension was just a relatively straightforward utility, but this will be a respectable challenge it's seeming like

But do we get a torch launcher? 🤔

I remember that being a satisfying gameplay mechanic, looting the twilight forest so I could keep the toch launchers flowing for the mining dim (can't remember name)

If there was a better way of lighting areas I never found it. Also took me a while to figure out you could reload the toch launchers...

[uncut chasm]

Lidar vision would be neat and terrifying, some horror games have been using it.

[fiery jackal]

I feel like that would be a massive turn off. There's a fine line between hard and just annoying

I would say that would fall under annoying

[tight pawn]

This is kinda neat but it's also giving me flashbacks to work

[fiery jackal]

What do you do with lidar

[uncut chasm]

True, just thought it a neat idea. It could be used as the initial way to get around until you find the required material to make the night vision like potion Adam was talking about. That way it's not an all the time thing and increases the initial eeriness.

[tight pawn]

Not lidar but a Leica laser scanner

[deep rain]

:) as long as it isn't perma "yellow" vision.

[flint egret]

||what about perma blue vision ||

because that's exactly what i was thinking lol

[deep rain]

Interesting quite a twist

[flint egret]

||the sounds of the great beyond||

[deep rain]

Oo the sound reminds me of the night market submarine in stardew valley

[compact spruce]

why is it fully panned to the right

[flint egret]

how do you mean?

[true coral]

Eerie and retrospective

[compact spruce]

i only hear the ambient noise coming from the right

(i'm using headphones)

the beacon heartbeat is still audible through both sides, but the ambient noise is only on the right

[mild basin]

the beacon sound comes through both sides yea, but all the other audio is only set to the right side......it's painful

[flint egret]

Painful seems a bit dramatic lol

The track is in mono not stereo because it's a music disc

Hence why it feels like it's coming from once ear. I can just make another version of the track for game music in stereo.

[mild basin]

https://tenor.com/view/death-dying-gif-20631364

[upper lynx]

Looks like something from doc who but I can’t put my finger on it

[flint egret]

That feels correct but I also don't know how

[fiery jackal]

I think you are referring to when the doctor had his energy sucked out by thr master and aged a ton

[true pilot]

Sorry if I didn't see past posts, but are there plans to make a public server with the launch of MCE2?

[mild basin]

probably but if not, someone is gonna make a server either way

[pastel atlas]

i'm gonna host a server for a few weeks when the modpack is released, but i'm not sure if 32gb ram is enough to support 64 players

[mild basin]

If you pregen the world, it shouldn't be as bad

[pliant igloo]

A bit more thinking on this generated a funny idea. Walking on carpet or wool blocks while wearing socks gives a static charge status effect. Hitting something with a bare hand that can accept the charge removes the effect and some something to the thing hit. If there's shriekers in the Great Below this static charge will stun them and keep them quiet for a short time.

[digital yacht]

There are definitely diminishing returns on RAM for java edition. 32gb might cause it to freak out lol

Although I've never tried to host a 64 person heavily modded server. Sounds like a recipe for ulcers

[mild basin]

I'm going to assume all 64 players wouldn't be on at the EXACT same time

20GB could be enough

[digital yacht]

There is a project called Quark Multiplayer where they are MMO(?) developers writing a new framework for server loads. They tested it with their MC mod they plan on releasing and they could get 5000 concurrent players (using simulated bot players) by essentially tethering together a bunch of servers and pooling resources

You can even make the clients pool and help with chunk gen. The client part sounds like a latency nightmare but I have like 5 spare servers laying around that I could tether

[novel willow]

We have not seen a space/rocket mod, have we?

[compact spruce]

Watch the trailer lol

[midnight rose]

Too much work can you add subway surfer to the bottom

[digital yacht]

Temple run only but with a rat

[gentle haven]

Just wanting to look at the dimension, downloaded just The Great Below and Jei, how does one get to the Great Below?

[bold forge]

It is NOT configured by default to work in any other modpack and thus a means of getting to the dimension must be configured manually outside of MCE2.

[gentle haven]

Thanks, I don't know how to read. I'm an idiot.

[compact spruce]

you can still execute in tp there

[bold forge]

yeah, that'd be a way to use commands to do it

[gentle haven]

/execute in thegreatbelow:thegreatbelow
Is this not the command?

[compact spruce]

uh, no, that just tells it to run nothing in the great below

/execute in thegreatbelow:thegreatbelow run tp ~ ~ ~

/execute lets you set a bunch of parameters for how a command should be run, but you always need to end with run and then the command you want to run

[gentle haven]

Thanks, know absolutely nothing about commands besides /gamemode and /gamerule. Not any the the "advance" ones

[compact spruce]

i feel that. for years the only ones i knew were gamemode and tp. all other commands were a total mystery, like the half of the cast of smash bros brawl that was from games i hadn't played

[broken dew]

Time to make a creeper farm

[flint egret]

its also better than any other "normal" noise causing item/block because it distracts the warden above all other sounds.

you can see it looking at the player briefly before instantly getting distracted again

[compact spruce]

the surprise ending

[broken dew]

How expensivr

Is it

Like 1 of each or a whole grid

[broken dew]

are wardens just full unkillable or purely in the dimension

[fiery jackal]

Pretty sure only in that dimension

[compact spruce]

i'm pretty sure it's everywhere

because the whole thing is making wardens the force of nature that they were intended to be

[pliant igloo]

Nah, I'm with Persius.
Inside its own dimension, it can't be killed because its complete domain over the Great Below renders it immortal. When it comes out of that dimension to the overworld, it loses the connection that it does to the Great Below that renders it unkillable.

[flint bolt]

imagine proxim chat with warden nearby

[sonic sail]

would be hillarious

[compact spruce]

the repo huntsman experience, now in minecraft

[true coral]

That was really cool, the deployable, can't say I've ever seen something so... Modern, gameplay wise before in MC

Very rainbow siege much zombies

[wary zodiac]

I’d hope they’re only immortal in the dimension rather than also in the Overworld even though it realistically won’t affect me as I try not to summon wardens

Just seems more like a nuisance on the surface/from my understanding but idk

[pliant igloo]

You know, we've been doing a lot of discussion about dealing with one of the warden's main senses. But we haven't discussed a way of using its sense of smell against it. Scent bombs could be useful for distracting wardens. Or deploying a perfumed rat and having the warden chase after it.

[pliant igloo]

There's also the potential loot drops from mods that would use the warden as part of their progression gating.

[flint egret]

It has no loot drops.

[upper lynx]

Nix the vanilla catalyst drop too?

[flint egret]

No I haven't removed any items from its loot table, it just doesn't have any modded items.

I can probably make it only unkillable in the great below. It's not a bad idea.

While I'm at it I can make it's attacks stronger too

I've been learning a lot about the brain system and ai goals. I could probably give the Warden some new abilities in the great below too

[midnight rose]

at that point just let it see

no need for it to be blind anymore

[flint egret]

i fail to see how that makes it any more interesting

the vibration system and adding mechanics around avoiding it is interesting

its like the wardens whole thing lol

worth noting that any extra mechanics would strive to add to the warden and the vibration system

not make it bland and into any other other mob

[broken dew]

maybe add a fear debuff that as it stacks prevents you from sneaking

or something

that way if you overstay you begin to have to make noise

it would make the music box more valuable

or whatever the distractinator will be

[flint egret]

slightly different implementation

[flint egret]

thats interesting, i will think on it

[broken dew]

since it's the only place with those two ores, you will HAVE to go in there, so you want to make dedicated trips, and a debuff that punishes you for overstaying would fit

bring the right resources to mine, enough firework boxes to distract the wardens, and make sure you dont overstay and die, tis a lot like the abyss sickness in abyss II

[fiery birch]

this is so cool.

[true coral]

Cooking fr

[flint egret]

alright final version, im happy with it, the block is now mostly done

[fiery jackal]

I know you can't. But I really wish you could use a png of a Rick roll for the untextured block

[sonic sail]

[runic harbor]

I wander what texture will it have

Honestly the thing I am most excited to see is the quest book this modpack has the best quest book in my opinion i love the rewards and the guidance it give you specially the random reward

[sonic sail]

needs more beans

[midnight rose]

Rick roll in the big 25 is crazy

[mild basin]

I heard Youtube changed every hyperlink to rick roll on year for april fool's

[fiery birch]

it makes me smile to know that a simple question out of the fear of facing the warden sparked other to suggest something that made it into the pack. I love MCE1 and im glad that Adam is so active in the community. *Not trying to be a kiss ass just genually excited and grateful that a mod dev is so active

[flint egret]

i love crowd sourcing ideas because sometimes on occasion they are good

and its genuinely a lot of fun to get feedback in real time

[digital yacht]

And the community loves being involved too. Feeling heard goes a long way

[compact spruce]

Yeah, as someone who has a ton of odd ideas, it's been really fun to see which ones pique Adam's interest

[vale vault]

Could be able to echo its sound around and make it sound like its in front of you or next to you, it sound slightly more reverby than the normal sounds it makes and you can visibly see the real one doing an animation or sending one of those blue sound waves towards the fake illusion sound? Also regarding 'fear' debuff it could make those sound illusions even 'look' like the warden, and depending how the blue sight nightvision thing works i like to think of it as using the skulks ability to sense vibrations as a way to paint the world and you would be able to see the fake illusions the wardens are making as a blue outline (like the corial tombstone slightly invisible looking ghost effect) so you can see where the warden is placing the illusions if under the effect of that potion on top of seeing everything.

Just ideas have absolutley zero idea how hard that would be to realistically implement, but you could always do the cardinal sin of looking at 'horror' mods and use the best aspects to influence the monsters down there, recently saw one that has realistic spiders (its called arphex ithink) and while I would absolutley hate it having those spiders infected with skulk walking how they do in that mod like a horrifying abomination thing from ice and fire down there would be horrible (in the good, horrifying way)

another idea basic infection system sort of like the nether portal on in MCE1 where you need certain blocks (maybe made of ores only found inside the great below) to stop the infection from the portal into the world, like skulk already spread when experience is dropped but maybe it just starts spreading on its own once the portal is opened, like you peered too far into the void and now the void is actively hurling itself into your world

[paper vessel]

Will there be a system of corruption in deep dark dimension? I personally would love to see a system of having special artifacts, weapons, armor etc reacting to this dimension, enabling us certain abilities or simply clearing some debuffs.
To defeat the deep dark you must become the deep dark.

[upper lynx]

Or a fear mechanic that makes you “shiver/shake” making noise just existing

here’s hoping I didn’t ping reply

[leaden kiln]

So if I make good enough tinkers armor

A warden and I could just throw hands for eternity

[hollow spoke]

(*If Anyone Can Answer this))

normally in big modpacks it's ez to become OP and become gods and now nothing can kill you, cough cough ATM ,nothing is a threat anymore and machines make it ez to feel like u never run out of materials, is mce2 anything close to that or is it gonna be more balanced ?

[compact spruce]

Apotheosis and Mystical Agriculture will both not be in the pack because they cause that, i think it's fair to say that adam is aiming to make mce2 more balanced

[paper vessel]

Mystical my beloved materials source for ae2

[uncut chasm]

Did botania ever get confirmed?

I don't remember seeing any of it's flowers in the sneak peaks, but wasn't sure if I just missed them

[deep slate]

Any word on productive bees then?

[mild basin]

productive bees is a more balanced resource generation mod so that could be good but who knows if it'll be in MCE2

[compact spruce]

Not really. It's slower, sure, but it doesn't fix the core problem of having everything in one place

[digital yacht]

Some of the set ups I've seen, it's not super slow and it introduces a lot of entities

[mild basin]

we might have compact machines or hyperboxes?

probably not

[pliant igloo]

Compact machines would be more likely since they're in MCE and it seems to make one dimension instead of multiple.

[true coral]

Productive bees is more interactive, which I appreciate vs mystical agriculture. Over 10 years of modpacks I didn't touch MA til ATM 10. It's just boring, and figuring out how to super speed optimize farming is just just meh to me

That said, both have their place and I understand that MA is like... Quintessential atp

[broken dew]

mystical ag is just required for the more end gamey grindy modpacks which I know mce2 just wont be, itll be a way more "play at your pace" pack

[ancient cave]

I'd be fine with resource generation that's slower/harder than MA as long as it's actually infinite. I find it immensely annoying to have to move a quarry and similar over and over again

[broken dew]

I think create machines when kept in check are pretty fun

[ornate swallow]

I mean even in mce1 there's plenty of other options for infinite ore gen like astral rituals, orechid setup, quantum quarry, laser drills, so I wouldn't worry too much about not having resource gen from other mods

it's just not going to be the braindead MA setup that some people will immediately beeline towards

[digital yacht]

I also think giant tech stacks isn't the goal of the pack this time. Seems like the bosses are the main theme and everything else is just Minecraft to enjoy as you will

[ancient cave]

laser drills pretty braindead too though they give about 0 actual resources without a massive setup

[ornate swallow]

yeah fair but that's the big difference between something like that and MA, you need a big setup which will require more material cost up front and power infrastructure to run the drills fast enough to output good resources while MA you just get 4 of a resource, plant a small farm plot and spam a few crop acceleration/tick acceleration blocks and you get fast infinite resources

[ancient cave]

one modpack I tried solved that by having to use blocks instead of ingots so you needed 36 + no cropsticks

which I think is pretty fair

[ornate swallow]

no cropsticks sorta bandaid fixes it but there's still a ton more methods for crop accel vs regular tick accel for machines/quarries

[ancient cave]

I think if you disable getting extra seeds for free without having to craft them and make the requirement 4 blocks instead of 4 ingots it's pretty reasonable

[ornate swallow]

I woulda said like, 4 avaritia singularities per crop and no dropping bonus seeds tbh

[ancient cave]

Like I said, as long as the resource gen stays permanently after it's setup I am fine with pretty much anything (cept astral )

[ornate swallow]

astral isn't even ported to 1.20 currently so you don't have to worry about that

[ancient cave]

HUZZAH

I don't mind it THAT much I just find it annoying having to literally wait for the stars to align in order to progress

[ornate swallow]

agree on that, random timegated stuff is annoying to deal with

waiting to see if there's any new mods that are as visually cool as astral though, personally haven't tried much of newer version packs so idk what's out there now

[ancient cave]

Well, there's create but I am too intimidated to try it out xd

Also heard about mod called Etherology which is supposed to be like Thaumcraft I think

wait nvm that 1.21

[digital yacht]

Create is really cool once you get into it

Makes you feel like an engineer

[ancient cave]

I have a high school engineering degree, still scared :p

[digital yacht]

Gear ratios are locked to 2 and .5. Makes the math really simple

[pliant igloo]

It's worse when you've got someone else on the server that immediately sleeps at dusk because "they don't want to sit around all night doing nothing".

[digital yacht]

People that haven't built a house yet lmao

[mild basin]

I just don't sleep

[bleak lance]

I miss not being able to sleep for days, now I can’t even stay up to watch a YouTube video without falling asleep

[flint egret]

(it will also provide a similar vision improvement to night vision)

[flint egret]

the consequences of eating the blue mushrooms

[untold pilot]

Is it bad that the first thing I think of when I see this is, oooh pretty, how can I farm them for a permanent disco strobe all the time?

[compact spruce]

this reminds me of one of the old super secret settings shaders

[sonic sail]

the blue mushroon made me think is oblivion potion crafting but for minecraft for some reason

[mild basin]

this reminds me of one of the "super secret settings" from pre-1.9

[hybrid path]

Im curious what happens if the two effects are combined

[flint egret]

only one shader at a time is possible to be rendered without some sort of hacky solution, so currently it would just render whatever was applied more recently

[hybrid path]

so you can eat shrooms and cure the darkness with disco colors?

[flint egret]

possibly, im not sure how the darkness effect renders but if it is a shader it would likely work

tbh even if that doesn't work, i like that as an idea and could just make that effect clear darkness

[livid dirge]

With Astral Sorcery being in the works for 1.20, is there a chance of it being worked into the pack if it is similar in mechanics to the older versions?

I mean as of April it he has stated it is a ways off but just curious if that possibility is still open

[flint egret]

Absolutely

[digital yacht]

Astral my beloved

Glad it seems like the community has rallies behind a specific version finally. 1.20.1 is the new 1.16.5

[digital yacht]

I assume waystones are in mce2, is it possible to make them cost something other than levels/XP? Like a coin item that you pay to teleport you

Just curious/thoughts on making quick travel harder

[true coral]

That's a neat idea

Even something as simple as like, a coin with 8 gold around an emerald

[flint egret]

#1143742498808799232 message

they are currently just expensive and you cannot craft them until way later.

[digital yacht]

Gotcha, and I assume random spawns are out

[flint egret]

they generate, just less often

more often at villages

50/50

the XP cost is not cheap though.

[digital yacht]

Chunk pregen with world border will finally be able to be viable. Mce1, my friends just sprinted in a straight line to 10k blocks and then TPd back for no reason

Can you make them spawn only in certain sized villages? I feel like 50/50 is pretty easy to come by

Oh if XP cost is cranked up though nvm

[mild basin]

Depends how expensive they are

[wary zodiac]

20 levels /j

[mild basin]

Was gonna say 😭

[pliant igloo]

One level per 1000 blocks with a high cap might do the trick.
Possibly 5-10 levels for going to a different dimension.

[wary zodiac]

Say do waystone mods have a config to accept total XP compared to purely XP levels?

[digital yacht]

Oh true. Makes them more potent with pure levels because of that exponential cost

Forgot about that

[vale vault]

I really prefer the idea of waystones being extremly expensive/rare to get and expensive to operate, i mean its instant travel, espeically when you have mods like create that reward you for building infrastructure like trains I think its more rewarding to make those for most of the early/mid game and then use waystones late game while using trains for automation and resource trainsportation lol

Thoooo tbf I diiiid love the pocket demension esk storage of the spectre key, but that had its own limitations and progresion so, idk, ive just been liking that vibe of more pysical interaction with travel then tping everywhere, espeiclaly if im planning on it being a long term (possibly eternal) world

[vale vault]

also im not like, the best at create and still very new with its mechanics but I was playing on a server with a friend and depending on the addons (still think its like 90% of resources aside for like diamonds and maybe emeralds) but you can have infinite generation of almost all vanilla and create materials and depending what mods are compat with create im sure there are going to be other ways for infinite gen with creates help or atleast able to get massive amounts of materials if you set up in certain areas with automated drills and processesing, its crazyyyyyy

[flint egret]

https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/eerie-nightmares

mini project

[digital yacht]

Interesting. Never thought about people skipping night for free, especially on an adventure/exploration style pack

[white willow]

when was this in vanilla?

[tight pawn]

Like alpha/beta days

[flint egret]

new message for when your pet protects you from a nightmare

thinking i might extend this to other players sleeping nearby also because that is really cute

[fiery jackal]

That's what happens to me when my dog sleeps on my bed with me

[broken dew]

so this is in mce2?

[flint egret]

yeah when i make a mod its usually with the intention of being used in a pack

[broken dew]

oh orca

I didnt know if mce2 or cobblemon icl

[flint egret]

its for forge 1.20.1 and i dont know if im bothered to port it to neoforge 1.21. so currently just for MCE2.

[broken dew]

gorsha

[hybrid path]

Im curious if this will also happen with vampire coffins to make it night, and if so are zombies on the list since they wont attack a vampire player?

[flint egret]

unlikely to even do anything with a coffin as with my current implementation it checks if the player CAN sleep and then checks if they are clicking on a bed.

if the coffin is just a bed under the hood then maybe? idk

Just enough effects compatibility with the newest version :>

[digital yacht]

Better than Minecraft insomnia where it just spawns phantoms

Worst mob

[hybrid path]

does this also effect sleeping bags if thats still included, those you are meant to do on the road so will the strat be to build a little shelter or hole with torches to sleep in?

[flint egret]

it affects any item or block that uses vanilla sleeping mechanics, so it should affect sleeping bags. basically just make a little shelter yeah

it might not though actually because you aren't interacting with a bed

idk lots of testing can be done later

[hybrid path]

I like the fact we will actually have to camp instead of plopping down anywhere that has 2 blocks of space, will you make campfires nearby have an effect like the pets or torches?

[flint egret]

campfires already provide a decent amount of light, but i could absolutely make the nightmare risk lower if you sleep near one. thats a good idea.

[flint egret]

the nightmare pet message now supports pets that have custom names

also another new feature, going to bed with a jukebox playing music will give you a +10% chance to experience a splendid dream.

[uncut chasm]

If disc 11 or 13 is playing, it increases the chance to experience a terrifying nightmare by 10%

Why would you want that 🤷‍♂️
Just thought it fitting for those two horrifying music discs

[flint egret]

i like the concept but im not sure how to do that exactly, if i can figure it out i'll do it

it does make perfect sense

[digital yacht]

me and the homies setting up a full camp to sleep the night away in Minecraft, despite not camping ever in real life

[digital yacht]

for the challenge, duh. Time to gamble

[hybrid path]

Imagine getting some kind of sound dampener for only music and playing it next to your friends house to force nightmares upon them

[fallow plinth]

I read the beginning of the chat message and was hoping it would end in "by being a very gud boii"

[pliant igloo]

As far as curing insomnia with milk goes, maybe have the milk warmed by a furnace or campfire first due to warm milk being a sleep aid.
Also, if you're not suffering from insomnia then the warm milk gives you a chance to sleep too deeply for the eerie nightmare to bother you.

[broken dew]

Random question but will mce2 be like reasonably playable on release?

Like could I get through around 80% of the content without major gaps in the gameplay?

[leaden kiln]

I really hope it releases before death stranding 2 lol

[fiery jackal]

release is this summer

[leaden kiln]

I know

June will be summer

I hope it'll be before DS2 releases

That releases on the 26th of june

[mild basin]

i'm going to assume this will be in MCE2

[digital yacht]

Scroll down slightly for the answer

[true coral]

I love it

What's wild about this is how this is the only notice I've received that that feature is actually fubar, like I was COMPLETELY convinced that modpacks I've played since 2011 just disvled or muted the messages and spawns. I actually never make a bed outside for this exact reason. I always thought that the security mechanics were just very loosey goosey now for what was considered shelter.

ACTUALLY insane 💀

14 years a fool

[craggy socket]

This kind of seems like it makes the best approach early'ish at night to hide in a blocked off hole and go get a cup of coffee or do something else until morning.

Maybe even late game depending on how strong the nightmare monsters are. I could see tabbing out at night in a base instead of sleeping if there's a risk of getting killed in the otherwise safe area when trying to sleep.

It would be nice to have something like a dreamcatcher to prevent nightmares entirely in a well established base. Also something alternative to a pet like a teddy bear toy for folks who don't like putting their pets in harm's way or who just don't like running minions.

[mild basin]

There should be consequences for not sleeping 😉

[true coral]

There are, you get dogged on by stupid flying bats every 20 seconds for 10 minutes straight

I cannot stress how much I hate phantoms

[digital yacht]

Truly the worst mob

I turn player insomnia off on my servers. Those guys are the worst

[pliant igloo]

Membranes can be pretty useful though, depending on what mods are active. Silent's Gear, for example, lets you create an Elytra that self-repairs if you use membranes.

[mild basin]

No, actual consequences

[wary zodiac]

Please no

[craggy socket]

It's one of those things you have to be careful with. If you consequence sleeping with random attacks, and consequence not sleeping with similar drawbacks, you end up removing options entirely for risk-averse players which might end up just removing those players. it's generally better to have more options than to restrict existing options to try to force a certain playstyle.

it's a challenging line to walk sometimes

[flint egret]

Personally I don't think the player should ever be punished for not sleeping

Beds sre so powerful that i would go the complete opposite way and reward players for not sleeping

[sly spindle]

I think incentives to explore at night would be amazing, be it by chasing a fallen star or searching for something that only blooms after dark would be great. Spooky vibes are fun if it's not over done.

[small flare]

I've always just accepted the punishment around not sleeping since it's so easy to do no matter the playstyle you prefer but I actually love the idea of flipping the idea on its head because you are absolutely right in my opinion

[true coral]

Ok awesome, so hear me out

Remove phantoms

Me @phantoms existence

[flint egret]

I could do that definitely

[true coral]

./s

[flint egret]

Maybe you get phantoms for sleeping x amount of nights in a row instead

[true coral]

It's all good mostly for the meme :)

[flint egret]

So you can stop it by not sleeping one night

Just an idea. I do want to change how sleep works in general.

[true coral]

I appreciate you considering it lol

[flint egret]

Or maybe if you sleep too much you start getting "dream eaters" spawning. Some sort of custom spooky mob.

[true coral]

I built up most of my beef with ATM 10 Recently. I'm always spending time building stuff and I'm all OP and stuff and hate getting interrupted by them. If I kill them all they spawn back in 30 seconds, it's just so disrupting lmao

[flint egret]

Phantoms suck I agree completely

[flint egret]

Absolutely no idea how the dream eater would work though. Ideas are welcome.

[upper lynx]

Maybe have a mob that appears and try’s taking you to another dimension like the midnight from MCE1, just have the portal spawn at the foot of your bed or something?
Or use the good night sleep bad dimension for it, I don’t know what is available in 1.20

But that would be frightening, just getting grabbed from your bed and dragged through a portal

[digital yacht]

that sounds dope

[compact spruce]

A ghostly creature that drifts towards you and can move through blocks. It regens itself and withers you when hitting you. Its weakness is that it moves slower the closer it is to you (like a deogen from phasmophobia), so it's pretty easy to hit without getting hit

[dense niche]

Has the announcement on the 24th been revealed what it'll be? 👀

[fiery jackal]

no

[hybrid path]

There is one horror modpack I played once that had monsters that would only be visible if you had low sanity. It would not be visible to other players if they were fine. Maybe something like that ofr the dream eaters or as a punishment for sleeping too much or too little?

[broken dew]

had this idea since phantoms existed, have a dream walker spawn at an increasingly higher chance each successfully slept night in a row until one spawns, that always knows where the player is and can only be seen by the hunted player, and moves slowly towards the player as the day progresses. it blurs your screen and causes nausea when extremely close and just give it a really high hp pool so you need to kill it from range

basically forces players to maintain ammo and ranged weaponry and they get to choose to take the risk to sleep

and since only the hunted player can view it it makes it something YOU have to deal with for choosing to sleep

could also have it look like a ghostly model of the player if thats possible

idk how possible that is though

[wary zodiac]

And will also 1 shot you just like every horror mod /s

[broken dew]

nah bc I think if it already causes nausea and blurriness it shouldn just be the slow moving snail 💀

[craggy socket]

MCE2: Nosleep edition. I dig it.

For dream eaters I would picture something more like a translucent creature that slowly drains your satiation bar. Each time you sleep within x time of your last sleep, it spawns one. The effects stack so if you keep sleeping each day you build up more and more dream eaters. And they don't despawn until you go x time without sleeping. Could be they all despawn after that period or on harder settings you might only despawn one per x time interval without sleeping.

[compact spruce]

Botania's guardian of gaia uses a messed up version of the player model so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible

[flint egret]

I quite like this. It's not just an enemy that kills you or one that you can kill.

It's a less tangible threat that saps your hunger bar.

I also like the idea of it being a translucent creature. Maybe it can only be seen in pure darkness.

Perhaps if you look at it, you are given the Insomnia debuff.

And it just follows you around

[sonic sail]

that sounds cool

[flint egret]

Another idea: the dream eater gives you a debuff after spawning that guarantees the next 3 nights give you nightmares.

So you can sleep and deal with the nightmares

Or just stay awake for 3 nights.

[upper lynx]

That sounds like probably the easiest method to implement, just sneak/add it into the eerie-nightmares as a configurable

https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/eerie-nightmares

I’m kinda imagining a elder guardian kind of effect flashing/swishing across the screen and boom insomnia for the next few days

[sonic sail]

a funny item that could be made to give insomnia as well would be a mega energy drink or something

[uncut chasm]

You could make it so that phantoms spawn when you have nightmares, and have it so that nightmares stop you from sleeping through the night. Could make them even more terrible by giving them ability to phase through blocks. No where is safe when nightmares are involved.

[sonic sail]

that just sounds like the lycanites mobs banshee

[compact spruce]

phasing through blocks is an absolute pain when the mob involved is fast or strafes, hence why my suggestion involved slowly drifting at the player

[flint egret]

Nightmares give you insomnia which already prevent sleep for a night.

[uncut chasm]

Ah okay, I was thinking you had it do the check after you slept through the night and would then stop you from sleeping the next night.

[digital yacht]

One that saps hunger or applies a debuff is way better than the ones that just one shot you

[sly spindle]

Here me out here, what if it's not a dream eater but a bed bug 🪲, but this bed bug don't just mess you up it will give you a de-buff where you can't sleep for the next night as well as run off with ur bed, its fast, can climb walls and open doors.

Maybe the bed itself just grows legs and antennas and run off

[flint egret]

That's actually a really fun and creative concept

I do think how I would implement this is after x nights you get a debuff and when you try sleeping it spawns bed bugs preventing you from sleeping that night.

[digital yacht]

Lol I enjoy that. A bit wacky though

[leaden kiln]

Me vs 100 end mites because I didn't eep for 4 days

Hell yeah

[broken dew]

@flint egret wait make the dream walker like a ghost and let us make like a poltergust 3000 or a ghostbuster vacuum

It would be so freaking funny

[pliant igloo]

If Forbiddden & Arcanus is in the pack that could be workable.

[small flare]

Personally I was always a fan of the trnasulecent enemies that exist in the beneath and the Rifters from the midnight and with the current idea of dream Eaters, creatures that acted like either of those 2 would fit the bill well.

[sonic sail]

can we just pay off the ghost with money like a true buisnessman?

[broken dew]

https://tenor.com/view/trade-offer-gif-25272208

[mild basin]

Make the player hallucinate if they don't sleep so many nights 🙂

[steel glacier]

That would definitely open up the possibility of a horror mod!

[flint bolt]

dont starve hallucinations idk

[leaden kiln]

Dude honestly hell yeah

[leaden kiln]

If you don't sleep for 4 days you get attacked by 100 end mites if you click a bed

[mild basin]

100? holy 😭

[chrome sinew]

Been a while since I checked in on progress but wow the version port was unexpected. Awesome though

My hype for this pack will never die

[leaden kiln]

NOW IN 1.20

[gritty badger]

when it will be release on what platforms you want the modpack to be released ?

curse forge and others ?

[wary zodiac]

Theres really only two no? Curseforge and Modrinth

I don’t think Modrinth has every Curseforge mod going over there to be on Modrinth tmk, but idk
It’ll likely be on Curseforge and thats that

[gritty badger]

thanks

[digital yacht]

Pretty much all other platforms pull from curseforge for their listings anyways iirc

[red oar]

8 days 🫡

[paper sleet]

till what

[mild basin]

Til the world ends

[digital yacht]

I tried to link the discord event lol

there is an event in the tab

[compact spruce]

https://discord.com/events/640591918752858122/1353364229536743424

[digital yacht]

^^

ty

[mild basin]

what kinda event i wonder 👀

bro's about to announce MCE2 is cancelled......

[static anvil]

nah the event is hes dropping the pack

[digital yacht]

that would be dope

[hybrid path]

The event is the announcement that the pack upgrade to 1.20 was a hoax because he actually secretly made Minecraft 2.0 for MCE2

[mild basin]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-one-piece-soser-imu-sama-oswin-gif-26748624

[broken dew]

calling it now the announcement is that mce2 is actually officially its own game and is partnered with microsoft

https://tenor.com/view/rayman-absolutecinema-wow-amazing-gif-4262883547222144536

[mild basin]

in all honesty, it'll probably be a more accurate release date

like a month, give or take..maybe at most

[pliant igloo]

It would be even better if we'll also get to see what mods will be in MCE2.

[mild basin]

idk if seeing more mods is better than an actual release date

[true coral]

I hope its just a dev log and teaser, screw a release date, what's one more ambiguous length of time before it's out?

Adam cooks fr let him 😤

[digital yacht]

true. regardless, it will be cool

The trailer was bangin

[pliant igloo]

Hopefully if there's another trailer Adam won't accidently give it a five-minute countdown again.

[compact spruce]

i think adam learned his lesson from the first one, both about discord jank and youtube jank

[mild basin]

what happened to the first trailer?

[compact spruce]

adam wanted to show it on discord, but there were too many people in the call, so discord just straight up wouldn't let him

he then decided to move it to youtube and show it as a premiere. he set it to show in like 10 minutes to give people more time to show up and go to the page, had a whole countdown for it, and then the premiere started... with youtube's 5 minute countdown that it does for premieres

so the showing of the trailer ended up getting delayed twice by accident

[mild basin]

😭

[pliant igloo]

I was there, I can confirm all of that.

[compact spruce]

you and like 600 other people lmao

[pliant igloo]

True

[compact spruce]

the turnout was WAY beyond what was expected

[pliant igloo]

That is a good thing though.

[compact spruce]

yes

[digital yacht]

crazy turn out for a discord event. Wild that they don't support multi streaming over 300 people

[fallow plinth]

?removewarn 3662 well that shouldnt have happened

[still lagoon]

Removed warning #3662

[deft sluice]

Didn't Adam say that there was a presentation that was meant to be show like a sideshow by someone and that was delayed. Probably what happens for the 24th?

[digital yacht]

Barry

[ancient cave]

I am praying Adam pulls a Bethesda and just announces it's out even though this is probably massive copium

I have no games to play right now 😭

[slender yew]

is it out yet

[inland ore]

long have we waited

happy it will be releasd finally, cant wait to play it this summer

was just curious, is it confirmed in 1.16?

[fiery jackal]

No. Confirmed 1.20

[inland ore]

oki thanks

but idk why i keep thinking this new version is 1.16

[fiery jackal]

Because it used to be. The last big announcement was that it was changing version and it was coming out in the summer

[red oar]

Does may 24th count as summer😃

[fiery jackal]

I doubt it sadly

[mild basin]

if you wish REALLY hard, it can be

[wary zodiac]

Oh right, I was being really hopeful

(I personally see May as summer even though it technically isn’t)

[forest sail]

I dont consider 18C summer yet

but im patiently waiting and getting more excited

[wary zodiac]

[digital yacht]

Already gets up to 39C where I live lol but I live near Las Vegas

[pliant igloo]

I'm jealous, here in the Seattle area this week is going to have highs into the teens (in Celsius).

[digital yacht]

bouncing between 27C and 39C lol

[late prairie]

hows the tech in mce2?

it looks like its a lot more focused on adventure stuff than mce1

[fallow plinth]

more or less the same since all the main tech mods are included plus a few
mce1 also didn't have space endgame in the beginning

[ancient cave]

I couldn't imagine mce without tech tbh

[pliant igloo]

Hopefully if Create is in there will be a questline to help people new to that mod.

[digital yacht]

Create is one of those mods that feels like it should be complex but actually had a decently low barrier to entry. It also has a really high skill ceiling but a lot of mods are like that and people just don't realize it

[bleak lance]

Honestly don’t remember if they said create was going to be in but if it is I’ll try my hardest to finally learn how that mod works

[compact spruce]

create was the first mod to be hard confirmed by adam ages ago, and the move to 1.20 has not changed that

[upper lynx]

If I remember there was a thing about making builds using create to potentially end up in the mod pack but that might have been a hot minute ago

[compact spruce]

oh yeah, the building contest
...i think that's nearing two years old and it was never actually completed

[upper lynx]

I mean I don’t see the tab for it anymore so it must have been completed to some degree?

[ancient cave]

Oh yeah, the mod always seemed real intimidating to me and I've always avoided it

[ornate swallow]

it's still there but I doubt anything from it is going to be used considering the initial version was 1.16, before the decision earlier this year to move to 1.20.1

[upper lynx]

I’m sure most of the blocks are the same though, right?

Though structure files most likely have changed between versions now that I think about it

[ornate swallow]

internal mod code differences between versions or things not being entirely implemented yet, and mods not being on the new version and thus not being included in the pack are two big things I could think of immediately

[broken dew]

I’m gonna be real I have no idea what I’m looking at which makes me excited

Gives me Iron’s vibes

[sonic sail]

adams dungeon for when release people

[ancient cave]

I swear I recognize that head but don't remember

[hybrid path]

The villagers finally rising up for all the trading farms people make

[craggy socket]

looks like a 'so you want to be a necromancer' three hour seminar

[boreal grail]

oh wait, the move to 1.20 probably means the building blocks create adds will be there :0

as in ochrum, viridium, etc

iirc those arent in the 1.16 version

[vale vault]

I'm just glad we have TRAINS and other add-ons for create that are neat (don't think trains or the big cannons mod addon are in 1.16)

Like even if it's not in the base pack I wonder if I can like setup a boss in a killzone and just shoot it with a bunch of cannons lmao

That one hellsing ultimate quote here

Also going for the devils advocate approach here but I bet that the skeleton villigar thing in the new sneak peak is actually friendly, like sure their asthetic is a liiiitle evil but I'm sure they just want the blood of God's and a few sacrficial sheep for a few emeralds, it's a good deal I swear

[sonic sail]

hard to tame friendly?

[magic hamlet]

SHADOW OF ISRAPHAEL?????????????

we are SO back

yogventures never fails

cannot WAIT to play with bluexephos and honeydew in mce2

the collab will be so peak

[broken dew]

whats that?

[steel furnace]

holy, the trailer for thaumcraft 7 just dropped for 1.20.1.

crossing my fingers that the mod ends up in MCE2 🤞

[digital yacht]

Old series on YouTube made by the Yogscast

[magic hamlet]

its what the mce2 teaser is based on

[fiery jackal]

i believe it was already stated, that if it came out for 1.20 and that it doesnt cause a monsterous amount of conflicts, that theres a good chance it will be included. Just dont take my word as gospel

[coral fern]

I personally think create is like farmers delight. Its good with the platter of addons that are associated with it. Not that i think its bad. I think it can be pretty cool. Like the biggest mod to go with create is crafts and additions.

Also ive never hated a magic mod as much as tc. The other one id pit astral sorcery with it

[steel furnace]

hopefully it will have a flexible api so that the mod can be easily integrated into MCE2 without too much effort

[steel furnace]

99% of mod authors make things like create and magic mods completely optional in their modpacks for those that dont like using them as long as its not something like a expert/specialized pack.

I am in a similar boat considering I have gotten away with basically never using a magic mod in any modpack play through and as you can imagine I have no experience using them.

[vale vault]

Yeeee I used the basic basics of thaumcraft but typically only ended up going slightly insane eating zombie brains and not progressing far enough to cure the permanent warp lmao

the voices

ooo that could be neat if it does become compat that the shulk demension could raise warp if your in the darkness for too long

like grue in the beneath but schizophrenia edition

[digital yacht]

Will MCE2 use forge 47.4.0? I have a server side mod that I want to port to 1.20.1 and make sure I hit the right version

[leaden kiln]

The voices are telling me to run 1s with a warden even though I can't kill it

[sonic sail]

i will be installing a mahoraga skin for the wardens

[leaden kiln]

Send it to me

[sonic sail]

mmmh creeper milk reeks of sulfur

[leaden kiln]

[sonic sail]

me and the boys drinking the exploding moss monster's "milk"

[vale vault]

SOoooooooooo now I have a good reason for my monster zoo (its pretty much just scp containment areas for monsters) and milk them for their... vitamins... totally

[sonic sail]

my medicinal monster ranch

[vale vault]

being able to breed every monster is critical gameplay i swear (i usually just did the powered spawner thingies in the past lol)

[pliant igloo]

Okay, very important question: Can you make cheese out of it?

[broken dew]

Please give me a rat upgrade and call it Creeperat and just make it turn your rat into a kamikaze bomb

Its entirely pointless and really funny

[leaden kiln]

[sonic sail]

[upper lynx]

This should be an easy one, just rename the tnt rat

[broken dew]

I never got much into rats bc it had that weird period where it was not updated didnt know tnt rat existed

but its funny

kamikaze jokes aside why creeper milk

[vale vault]

why not is the better question

[sonic sail]

something different?

[leaden kiln]

It tried to blow up someone's house so they blew up its prostate

[sonic sail]

[flint egret]

https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/milkable-creepers

[heady inlet]

Lovely mod to troll others with...especially those who don't read item descriptions

[pliant igloo]

Evil idea: Creeper milk + gunpower + other ingredients to make high explosive cake.

[fiery jackal]

Add redstone for a delay trigger

With the flavor text "tiny Tina would be proud"

[broken dew]

but I dont wanna be a bomb

[flint egret]

then don't drink the creeper milk

[flint egret]

currently not

[broken dew]

its really funny though

4 days til something

[sly spindle]

That's crazy talk, anyone would love to be a bomb

[broken dew]

its a really dated meme but yes

domb

[sand lake]

mmm.... creeper cheese..

[wary zodiac]

because

idk lol

oh it was already sent

oops

[broken dew]

wait

add a cake call it cakikaze

[midnight rose]

Where are the creepers nipples?

[small flare]

That is a VERY good question

[ancient cave]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

It's not from a nipple

[dense niche]

It is a nipple

[fallow plinth]

y'all

[pliant igloo]

It could be a sticky cheese that can be stuck on a wall or ceiling and hit with fire (or a redstone signal) to set it off. Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 strength of a TNT block.

[digital yacht]

Creeper c4

[sonic sail]

semtex creeper grenage

[sand lake]

what happens when baby drink creeper milk 😰

[pliant igloo]

You get a baby boom.

[leaden kiln]

I work at a dairy company, I'm actually the one that fills the creeper half gallons

I shit you not

[leaden kiln]

Those aren't nipples

[wary zodiac]

amazing

[upper lynx]

I imagine you just squeeze the creeper because it’s mostly made out of moss. Just a conveyer line going into a creeper crusher squeezing all the milk out

The dry husk/powder that’s left is highly flammable, often used as explosives

[leaden kiln]

I just jerk the creepers off

[digital yacht]

ayo

[leaden kiln]

@digital yacht

[digital yacht]

I used to stock the fridges at grocery stores. They make some weird flavors sometimes

[mild basin]

don't tell me that's an ACTUAL product

[pliant igloo]

https://trumoo.com/products/minecraft-vanilla-green-lowfat-milk-half-gallon/

[leaden kiln]

Yep it is

Its actually pretty good

Tastes like straight vanilla

[mild basin]

gross

idk if i trust that

[timid otter]

I didnt wanna make this joke but this is really american food

[small flare]

Id buy it

[craggy socket]

i've heard you can make it at home with some raw chicken and room temperatures

[modest notch]

Nono, you misread, that makes rotten flesh

[craggy socket]

Age it to that nice green color, mix it into the milk, and then blend it all together. Granted, if someone does drink it then it will definitely lead to rotten flesh

[mild basin]

Yea, I live an america sadly, just never knew it existed....

[wise fern]

ok we can say tmrw is the day

[broken dew]

YO WAIT BASED

for me its in 2 days bc na

but we're geting mad close

wait nvm

I misread times

based

[heady inlet]

noooo I am bowling at the time of the event

someone pls lmk tomorrow what was said at the event

[digital yacht]

I hope it's Barry's presentation

[broken dew]

im sure if its as big as we hope itll be in announcements

[vale vault]

this is giving me green eggs and ham flashbacks from childhood, just now its even more cursed

I cant wait for the event to be announcing how many more days its delayed due to the asking meme

[digital yacht]

Just Adam scrolling through the channel counting them all manually

[boreal grail]

hes got one of those hand counters you see in slice of life anime sometimes

like in k-on when they take an odd job to count how many cars pass thru a certain area so they can buy instruments, one of those thingies

the event gets delayed bc the counter rolls over and now adam has to start over 😔

[leaden kiln]

If Adam shadowdrops the pack tomorrow im not sleeping all weekend

[vale vault]

saaame

[true coral]

At best it could be beta, that's what was discussed on stream I believe, beta with tested and tried feedback like Cobblemon, as Adam felt like the development cycle was very positively affected by all the feedback they got that way helping development

I'll be happy with just a dev log, diary, sneak peek, tho. I think I'd want to play the 1.0, especially after the next Thaumcraft was announced but not released :o

[mild basin]

i'd be happy with a beta version honestly, getting to see how it evolves through the next couple years or so at the very least

[gleaming torrent]

Yessss.

[slim roost]

hopefully...

ive been checking up on this every week for like 3years lol

[leaden kiln]

Same

[red oar]

wallah same

[true coral]

💀 I've been daily for most of these years, which is sooo wild. Not a single other game or mod I checked so often. MCE came out during some very formutive adult years for me and my crew, but I'm still shocked thinking about how it was daily 💀 one of my friends pinging me every few weeks for me to pass down updates definitely contributed, but still, wild

13 more hours

[mild basin]

Lmao

[true coral]

[pastel atlas]

Daily check in

[dense niche]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-clap-gif-3825042206276800481

Embed fail

[gleaming torrent]

Surly today is the day

🙏

[sly spindle]

I brought the explosives where do we need them?

[paper vessel]

My nose caz its clogged af

[sly spindle]

That's one of the least problems I could think of for a windrunner 😂

[paper vessel]

hahahaha

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[ancient cave]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[tight pawn]

In before it's been delayed for 3,543 days as per the bot

[broken dew]

LMFAO

more coding time ig

[true coral]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-heavy-breathing-intensifies-fat-cat-gif-11159759

82 minutes

[broken dew]

that special ping looking real good right about now

[mild basin]

12 minutes 😭

[paper vessel]

its so tempting

178 looks better

[ancient cave]

I think the timing is great, one week of poe1 new league then mce2, we are gaming

[steel furnace]

when they said summer 2025 I didn't think they meant the first day of summer 🗿

[mild basin]

right?

[woeful tapir]

sorry i was late what was the date?

[mild basin]

literally a month

[digital yacht]

June 20th

[woeful tapir]

ohhh thank you

im excited

[leaden kiln]

HELL YEAH

[arctic mirage]

[craggy socket]

it looks pretty great from the trailers 🙂

[mild basin]

looks awesome....finally an actually good modpack in 1.20

[arctic mirage]

genuinely looks so good

[flint egret]

the real count down timer https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/7366105/mce2-24-hour-delay-counter

[hasty crater]

Well done MCE team 🥂

[flint egret]

https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/7370431/mce2-release-date

the actual countdown

[leaden kiln]

It'll release midnight local or same time for everyone?

[compact spruce]

same time for everyone i'd assume

this is just a pack on curseforge at the end of the day, and i don't believe curse has a setting to "roll out" the pack release like that

[digital yacht]

AAA release schedule be like

[flint egret]

my precious

[tight pawn]

El gato balatro

[lean helm]

Make them dance to music disks

The warden would probably love to hear music considering it spends its time in the below

[dreamy plover]

mce2 comes out on my cats birthday

he turns 2

[flint egret]

he is the cutest

[dreamy plover]

his name is Toby

his wizard name is tobias walter ferdinand the third🙏

[vale vault]

thats amazing (how many days its delayed lmao)

[vale vault]

HYYYYPE

I absolutley ADORED the trailer

[vale vault]

for half a second I thought it was the meme where its like the whole cat is edited to be the basket, like the cat roomba

https://tenor.com/view/cat-white-roomba-cute-weird-gif-19060101

._.

[digital yacht]

embed embed

[daring oak]

I wonder how much of a focus/emphasis there might be on armor/weapon smithing/trimming since mce2 will be on 1.20

[steel furnace]

damn I hope its not on minecraft 1.2 😭

[mild basin]

lmao

[hollow spoke]

will we be able to become OP gods fast or is this pack gonna be balanced ?

[chrome sinew]

If it’s anything like mce1 both can be true

Also good looks on the trailer. Hype for mce2 🔥

[hollow spoke]

you think the world will still be a threat to you after a while ? or just bypass anything trying to kill u ?

[chrome sinew]

I feel like with how mce1 was balanced I’m sure threats will still be a thing. If there is anything I know it’s that Adam and others are pretty darn good at balancing stuffs

But I also know nothing about mce2 so we shall see

[mild basin]

adam has said player power will be balanced, we won't be able to do anything TOO crazy

[polar sierra]

Has the mod list been released yet?

[fiery jackal]

no

[pastel atlas]

daily check in

[ruby willow]

y’all got games on ur phone

[leaden kiln]

Me to that fuckass wroughtnut when I see him again

[sand lake]

Can't wait until June 20th also is that the jaffa mod from jaffa factory 2 series

[upper lynx]

Ooo that’s cool

[mild basin]

yea that's pretty cool

[forest sail]

oh boy I get to be more creeped out

[broken dew]

I probably shoulda asked this during the event but what kinda stat scaling do you guys think we'll get?

[uncut chasm]

Oh that's awesome. That vision + the ambience sounds/music, it'll be a eerie if not terrifying experience. I can already see myself panicking from the slightest sound lmao.

sorry didn't mean to @

[fiery birch]

I just got a youtube sort for this video. Its so cool. There is so much custom work on this pack and it shows.

[forest pine]

for mce2 release will it be a beta or full thing?

[mild basin]

I THINK adam said it would be a "full release" thing? I don't remember.....someone can correct me if I'm wrong

[untold pilot]

He said in the after show q&a that it'd be a full release, as an open beta would basically just be a full release anyways

[bold forge]

mhm, but don't expect it to be a 100% complete project, it still has a bunch of plans for updates on the backburner

[pliant igloo]

This is really cool, it would be a great companion to Hardcore Darkness.

[digital yacht]

Basically 1.0 with content releases over time

[pastel atlas]

Daily check in

[deep rain]

lol the "When" reaction on the trailer announcement is funny.

[modern sonnet]

Will I be able to go on a server hosting site (i.e. bisect hosting) and be able to find mce2 on the day of release?
I have a few friends expecting a server from me, lol.

[mild basin]

You might not find it immediately because their database won't update with new packs immediately, plus not every host will have MCE2 available. Worst case scenario you'll be buying a server and doing a manual install which isn't hard at all to learn

[rough tartan]

Is somewhere a modlist for the upcoming Eternal 2? ^^

[pliant igloo]

No, there's no plans to release the modlist early. Apparently it's not 100% set.

[flint egret]

Yes pretty much. I will be in contact with them to ensure it's available very early

[modern sonnet]

Cheers, both. Looking forward to release day.

[flint egret]

block showcase, murmur crystal

[leaden kiln]

[broken dew]

what does it do

[pastel atlas]

murmur

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[flint egret]

yet to be fully determined

trying different things, this is like a low vibration hum that peaks at a slight screen shake and particle effect, my personal favourite

the idea is the have them hanging from the roof of the great below

[pastel atlas]

quite noisy

[flint egret]

yea that one was just an audio test

final version for now

[gritty badger]

how much time do you think will take completion time for the all the quests ?

[flint egret]

i have absolutely zero idea

as it depends on so many factors

how fast you play, if you are a completionist etc

[gritty badger]

thats nice that means you can play lots days

[broken dew]

I think thats really kickass actually

also you mentioned you didnt want bloat so blue skies isnt in is it

[mild basin]

with all the custom content the pack will have, probably a while

depends how much time you put in each day or however often though

[flint egret]

new mechanic for the murmur crystal block, when its active it emits a high redstone signal which is removed when its no longer active.
the cycle the crystals run on is 5 seconds, making it a one block 5 second redstone clock. not super useful but it adds flavour.

[broken dew]

ooo

could use that for some really cool create shit

[flint egret]

🪩

[sonic sail]

oh someone needs to make a rick roll clip with this

[broken dew]

gaming

[pliant igloo]

Do the crystals react to player proximity like spawners do?

[flint egret]

no they just have their own internal clock based on when they were placed

[sonic sail]

i never thought drugs would be in mce2

[true coral]

Duuuuuuudddeeee

Those are sick

[leaden kiln]

Now for an important question Adam

Will nukes be in mce2

[flint egret]

kaboom

[leaden kiln]

Nuking myself in my own base by accident for the 20th time

[flint egret]

||mek reactors can also go kaboom ||

[summer spindle]

Am I the only one excited to play mc2 on a handheld? (I like to see myself burn) ahahaha

[ancient cave]

There are handhelds with that much ram?

[digital yacht]

Some have adjustable unified memory systems where you can allocate it to either CPU or GPU as needed with 12gb in the bank

[summer spindle]

Yeah, the ally X has 24gb of ram so it can handle it

[ancient cave]

I keep forgetting how much ram they can shove in these days

just checked my phone and it has 12

like bruh since when

[compact spruce]

I mean kinda, but unless you changed something it's not much of a kaboom

[flint egret]

its a much bigger kaboom

it overheats and bad things happen

[pliant igloo]

Also, if Industrial Foregoing is in the pack that has a nuke that can be charged for a bigger boom.

[leaden kiln]

Shit I'm now debating trading in my z1 extreme for the X

512GB of storage is seriously not enough

[leaden kiln]

Have you tried running mce1 on your rog ally? You have the x or the z1E?

[digital yacht]

Should be user upgradeable in a lot of models

[leaden kiln]

Yeaaaaaaah but I want the more ram

Like fony says, it'd be sick running mce2 on a handheld, especially when it's gonna be on 1.20, which is DEADASS more optimized than 1.12/1.16

[slim roost]

hopefully theirs dinosaurs i wanna make a park

[digital yacht]

good luck with the million keybinds that come with large mod packs

[leaden kiln]

Well i already play lighter modpacks on my rog ally with a Bluetooth keyboard, mouse, and arzopa portable monitor

It all fits in my backpack whenever I work away from home

I once played tarkov on it lol, although it never broke 45 fps

[digital yacht]

well if you are going that far, then yea it'll work. Most people don't have all that with them though I think

[topaz yew]

@flint egret can I make you a legit curious question?

Why did you set out the release date for a month from now? I'm asking because i legit dont think I would be able to pick a date to release a project lmao

[summer spindle]

I have the z1 extreme and it runs okey if I set the vram to 4g

[digital yacht]

sometimes you just pick a date in order to give yourself an ending point or else you will never feel like it is finished. At least, that's how I release projects.

[compact spruce]

from what i'm aware, there are a few important things here:

1. mce2 has been anticipated for quite a while now and people have been asking for a release date for ages, so this can finally calm down all of the "when" comments and reactions to everything mce2-related
2. it's about actually committing to something so that it stops expanding. basically, saying it's "good enough" and doesn't need to keep growing in scope
3. it's set a month out because it's not actually done yet, and without a release date it wouldn't be for a while longer, but setting it a month out is like "hey, you now have a month to fix any critical issues so that the pack can release" so at least it can feel done to the players even if adam himself may feel like it could be more
   does that help?

[topaz yew]

yeah, pretty much what i was wondering

in my country its also set in a 4 day-holiday so ggs to me kekw

[ocean kettle]

is this full realase or like a pyblic beta

[fiery jackal]

both. Its the full release for whats been made, but it isnt complete

[sly spindle]

Any release at all is big hype, super super excited

[static anvil]

How is it incomplete

[sonic sail]

just like mce 1, mce2 will be updated after the pack releases with patches and hopefully new mods that fit the modpack's aesthetic

maybe?

[flint egret]

It's complete for a 1.0 release. It will continue to be developed and improved with new content and user feedback.

[sonic sail]

i was right man im glad your here adam

thank you

[flint egret]

The first couple of months will have the most amount of change as I'll be keeping a close eye on what players are saying and improving the pack as fast as I can based on that initial feedback.

[gritty badger]

what would be the minimum requirement's to play mc2 ? ram etc

[silent imp]

im assuming the updates in term of new content wouldnt be included in those changes right ?

[flint egret]

fixing issues first, most importantly

but there is no reason why i can't add new things im working on and fix stuff

new block: bunch of fireworks, needed for crafting the warden distractionator!

[broken dew]

so you're telling me I can live out my dr doof dreams

[sonic sail]

im excited for future updates that might add new mods if/when they come out like thaumcraft 7

and the general direction this modpack will be going

[mild basin]

Oh I hope that's the actual name of the item....

[broken dew]

It better be thats so good

And it likely is

[viral swan]

is MCE2 a smaller modpack?

how many mods? if im allowed to ask

[fiery jackal]

it isnt smaller. If anything, it might be bigger than mce1. But it will run a lot better as the later version of MC are better optimized

[viral swan]

ohlord

[digital yacht]

Pump those numbers up

Break the 400+ barrier

[pliant igloo]

400? Those are rookie numbers,

[digital yacht]

I played the unabridged series before. Gets a little whacky past 600

Hard to keep a server stable

[leaden kiln]

Wait will the pack have that "essentials" mod where you could join friends simply through invites?

I think thats how it works..?

[flint egret]

No it's a weird mod that I don't trust at all

I don't think anyone should be using it

[ocean kettle]

I agree

[flint egret]

Closed source. Auto updates.

No one knows what it does and it's entire business model is sketch as hell

[leaden kiln]

[compact spruce]

will it have e4mc though?

that's pretty much the same thing functionally but without the shady parts

[leaden kiln]

But let's say ill take that risk and want to use it for me and a friend? Could I just add it? Or would it not be compatible?

[leaden kiln]

Oh fr?

[flint egret]

Not by default, no. It would cause more problems than it's worth. A dedicated server is always better.

[flint egret]

Absolutely no idea, you'll have to find out for yourself because I'm not installing it

[leaden kiln]

Appreciate you Adam, thank you.

[fiery jackal]

If you don't want to pay for a server. Settung up a local one with server files isn't hard. I do it for my friends

I run the server and play the game on the same rig

[digital yacht]

I'd imagine the barrier would be port forwarding for the younger folks

[leaden kiln]

No ive done it before

Im just lazy

[fiery jackal]

I would agree with that. That's the most common forgotten part

[twilit bane]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-heinz-doofenschmirtz-inator-blow-itself-up-behold-gif-17554315418709125820

[broken dew]

Essentials seems like it runs your server on an external host bc someone has to host the world

Likely meaning backlogging your data

Which is bad

Very bad

[white willow]

IIRC, it works similarly to something like Hamachi. I could be wrong though.

I still wouldn't touch it regardless. way too many microtransactions

[vale vault]

I tried playing some modpacks on my steamdeck and it needs a lot of tuning and graphic downgrading, think its the ram thats limiting on there but I could only play some lightweight packs at playable fps. But yea being able to play mce2 on vacay downtime/on an airplane would be awesomeeee, i think i tried one on 1.20.2 and it was still kinda rough but i didnt tune everything down I could have soooo, hopefully!, also needed to get another mod that allowed for controller bindings (like analog sticks and buttons n stuff) but otherwise it def works (also load it onto your main drive/ssd, playing on the sd card is possible for some games but minecraft is a no imo)

[vale vault]

yeaa essentials is sketch, there are a couple vids out there 'exposing' it but mainly its just sketch, not nesserily 'bad' or 'dangerous' to an extent (aside for backlogging as gato said), but def weiiiirdddd

[digital yacht]

Steamdeck has 16gb onboard but I think it's shared between cpu and GPU. Should be possible to do 8gb allocation and crank some settings down a bit. I bet playing in a server would be really clean

[mild basin]

e=mc is the same but better

[mild basin]

also forgetting that essentials has paid cosmetics

[tawdry rapids]

world host also works nicely

[leaden kiln]

Worm will make me create my own art and not steal it

[tawdry rapids]

?

what are u talking about

marathon?

what a random thing

[leaden kiln]

Yeah i saw your discord thingy and I was like yo sick another marathon enjoyer

Im hoping for a delay, so they can fix their shit

I enjoyed the alpha but it needs so much work

[leaden kiln]

The whole art thing just breaks my heart imo

[tawdry rapids]

same

[fiery birch]

i have added minetogether it to a few mod packs, it was real easy for me.

this behaves simillary to what you have described and is used in alot of new FTB packs

[vale vault]

wait waaaaaat i didnt know that o.O yea nvm that sux

like ok, i can see for supporting a mod creator and getting cosmetics but if its just like, as a system rather than just specifically for support eeee

[vale vault]

or use the promocode ratcheeseMCE2 at checkout at generic server host here partnership for 10% off (as long as that partnership actually gives adam/other devs that worked on it money)

[viral swan]

is there a mod list for MCE2?

[fiery jackal]

Not a public one yet. No

[viral swan]

okay, thank you persius

[ocean kettle]

Not everyone has a pc like yours

[digital yacht]

Servers can run on surprisingly low specs, like an old laptop or something laying around. But it is true not everyone has the means or knowledge to do both

[ocean kettle]

I know how to do it i have done it many times but in bigger modpscks my pc cant handle both the game and the server beacuse 16gb ram😭

[pastel atlas]

Daily check in

[digital yacht]

definitely used to have this issue

[ocean kettle]

Maybe fresh installed windows and maybe some ram cleaners would do it but its so hard to do all that in 16 gb ram

[digital yacht]

Would be a stretch regardless. You need like 8GB for the game minimum and 4GB for the server. Windows likes to gobble up the rest

[ocean kettle]

My motherboards ram slots are full too

[digital yacht]

4 4GB sticks? Could probably grab higher tier kits if you really wanted to

[ocean kettle]

8 8

2 ram slots

[digital yacht]

ITX?

[ocean kettle]

No a asus prime one

For 12. Gen intel

[digital yacht]

Would be pretty trivial to upgrade if you had the means, probably $75 or less for 32GB

[ocean kettle]

I thinked that but my old rams will be garbage then

[digital yacht]

Yea that's how it works. I have so many spare RAM sticks just sitting in drawers, started handing them out to friends or selling them on eBay a while back

[ocean kettle]

Maybe i will buy a laptop and open the server in that

And the modpack isnt realased yet maybe 16gbs will do it

in atm9 it didnt i hope in this modpack it will work

[digital yacht]

I've got a 96GB server sitting. I might open up a couple community servers if I can get the lag under control

[ocean kettle]

Community servers are like anyone can join?

[digital yacht]

mhm

[fiery jackal]

That is fair. That is just how I designed my pc. But you can even use a laptop as a server. As you really only need a decent cpu and enough ram. You don't need a gpu at all to run the server

[sly spindle]

Meanwhile my setup is having my GPU on a 70% bottleneck because I'm too lazy to swap the CPU and motherboard techies would want to lynch me

[fiery jackal]

My next major upgrade will be a ddr5 build. But that would require a almost full pc build. Since it's the motherboard

[digital yacht]

I just upgraded to a 4080 super and 5800x3d to give my ddr4 build more time. We'll see what the scene looks like in a year or two

[sonic sail]

might i recommend using old pc as spare?

[fiery jackal]

Old PC would get sold to someone. At least the parts I don't use. Aka the mother board and ram

[sonic sail]

interesting

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

Q’ek-Oon H’sa-Zhuh T’li-Kr’t Oon-Vraa-M’uur

|| Literal translation from crab language: "Enclosed power breathes joy; ancient hard one rises in strength." ||

|| Ancient Crab Glyphs that say the same thing as above, has this gone too far. Yes, is it funny, yes. Do i hope that Adam adds in the ancient crab gods. YES ||

[pastel atlas]

Daily check in

[flint egret]

yesterday and todays project - bow crits

[broken dew]

wait thats kickass

how strong are the bows

seems to be 20% dmg increase?

[flint egret]

it gives a 50% increase. here is all other info on the mod.

its a really small and simple mod :> but i think it will make bows more interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzUnw7bd8FM

ooh something i might do is tie it to the luck effect

[broken dew]

idk how feasible it would be given we're less than a month out but a luck arrow that always crits could be cool

outside of being expensve it would give people more expression in their approach to fighting bosses such that if they want to max damage at range consistently they have to grind

[cobalt monolith]

off topic but do the quest pages have guides for popular mods that are integrated within mce2?

[broken dew]

actually just thought about how that could be abused with infinity

[cobalt monolith]

in other words are there quest pages that are designated to one and only one mod?

[mild basin]

If the quests are anything like MCE1, probably not

[flint egret]

each chapter is separate for each mod excluding general chapters like introduction

[compact spruce]

oooooh

that's very nice

[pastel atlas]

Can you change the color of the critical damage to red? And increase the font size? Idk looks nice seeing the critical hits like that