MCE2 Sneak Peek Discussion

[paper vessel]

I'd personally love to see some kind of device to inform me about nearby structures in like radious of 3/4 chunks especially when I'm underground

[flint egret]

Well that would definitely depend on the players priorities. I had someone playtesting recently and they didn't even start looking for the minimap until hour 6 of playing because they got caught up building their house

For some people who need a minimap I can definitely see it being a task they do right away

But the waystones dotted around the map combined with lodestones being easy to access means you might just not notice as much as you'd think while playing.

[silent imp]

yeah makes sense I wouldnt need it if im not planning to explore right away

[flint egret]

They did explore and did get a little lost. Which I thought was fun personally

[silent imp]

😅

[flint egret]

I do understand that argument though, it's the main criticism I was expecting to receive. Do you have any ideas for how you would like the progression to work? Ty , it's useful to get arguments on both sides

[sonic sail]

is it possible to make it a toggleable quest for some people?

[flint egret]

Not really , but I won't hold it against anyone who uses cheats to complete it if they'd like.

[sonic sail]

k

[flint egret]

I will mention again though it really doesn't take too long to unlock

[sonic sail]

thats fine i just have friends with bad mind compasses

[novel willow]

Sounds to be like something that could be integrated into challenge modes?

[craggy socket]

Ideally, as quickly as possible. My personal preference would of course be immediate access to both. Don't get me wrong, I love having progression to work through. Completing quest trees is a heavy focus of mine when playing. But being able to find my way to and from interesting locations, death and corpse recovery, and primary and secondary bases is one of two elements that I need an early solution for. The other is storage.

As an example of my early gameplay in MCE1, I generally load into a new world, pick a direction, and go. The first task is to find a properly suitable or interesting base location. This can take actual hours of gameplay, during which I'm also raiding structures, picking through villages, and keeping only the most useful items that will fit in my inventory. Sometimes it involves backtracking to a location I was considering but not immediately sold on. But I'm also marking some locations with waypoints and notes to revisit once I've found a place to base - whether for a few items that I couldn't hold or because it's a stronghold of some kind to be raided.

Once I've found a base location I immediately build a house, bed, and then storage. Then I start a basic food farm, chunkload it, and backtrack to some of the locations I marked. My focus only returns to base building once I've cleared what I can with the tools and weapons I currently have access to. And then, generally just to upgrade enough to clear out the next stronghold tier I've got locations for. Cosmetic building won't come into play until midgame for me.

The majority of that is effectively gated by journeymap access, so however long it takes to unlock that will be how long it takes before I start playing the pack - or at least feel like it.

[silver oriole]

Lots of text have a 🦀

[silent imp]

🦀?

[rose bronze]

Good for a one time play through, might seem like a chore for those that like to replay a pack alot starting from the beginning so it might hurt the replayability.

[true coral]

I like it for the early game, makes it more interesting/enthralling imo. Glad it's not permanant.

I feel ljke a little bit of of magic (not a whole lot) is lost with the maps. Playing through RL craft years ago made me realize that, it was a lot of effort to get some semblance of maps better than the vanilla (which I hate completely)

[tawdry rapids]

i really like this

[fallow plinth]

what's with this? #🎨mce2-dev-sneak-peek message

maybe you could enable JM/Xaero's for Calm mode and only lock it for standard and chaos

[flint egret]

currently NYI but planned long-term

when that gets implemented, making calm mode come with map by default is a good idea

[sterile quarry]

i like the atlas mod could that be an alterntitive to crafting that so you can have either or

[flint egret]

i thought about it but its an extra mod and im trying to cut bloat

[sand lake]

Seeing how your working on making the game go back to it's roots (regarding punishment systems), have you nerfed (or considered nerfing) the /home feature? It's a feature I love but I'd be lying if I said it wasnt super powerful especially early game..

[flint egret]

yep! it doesn't exist! there is a potion you can craft to teleport home and you can find a magic mirror if you are lucky

i thought /home was too cheaty too, always did :> but felt if i removed it from MCE1 people would be too angry

[digital yacht]

Nice. I always removed it from my servers. Always felt there were no consequences for exploring with that enabled

[brazen mortar]

Ooooh no /home and no early game map. Love it. It’s about time we had something original to play.

[hybrid path]

will there still be a way to find your deaths before the map such as how the keys pointed it out with coral tombstones? I actually like the Idea of having to work for the map but could understand getting lost exploring or looting early on and losing a location or stuff

[digital yacht]

waypoints maybe?

they put giant beams into the sky

[hybrid path]

I assumed you couldnt make waypoints without access to the map

[compact spruce]

in newer versions of corail tombstone it points you towards the grave with a trail of particles when you hold the key

[flint egret]

^

its pretty great

it leads you with a trail of particle breadcrumbs

[flint egret]

this is correct.

all deathpoints will become visible once you unlock the map, they will generate, you just can't see them

[hybrid path]

I think if you wanted to do more progression with the map maybe have the minimap and the creature radar as upgrades after you get the normal map with waypoints. not sure if that is a possibility to split it up

[fiery jackal]

?unmute @fiery jackal

[still lagoon]

Successfully unmuted persius12

[rose yoke]

What if you offered two quests for accesing the map? One quest could be an auto unlock for the map but it would lock you out of potential rewards from doing the intended and more involved unlock. That way everyone wins and you double down on the feeling of a reward for those who actually explored to access their maps

Dunno how hard something like that is to implement or if its even possible though

[undone forge]

🦀🦀🦀🦀

[sterile quarry]

thats fair

[rose fern]

I think its a fun idea and on first glance I would want to see it added. But it really depends how tedious getting the map will be. I think for some it would be fun if the map was unlocked by exploring, like visiting a certain amount of biomes. But for others and maybe myself included I would probably rather have a quest I could complete without exploring. Finding it pointless to explore without map since whatever you find you are likely to lose anyway

[tawdry rapids]

would be funny to have a cheat code for skipping that if you really dont want to

[flint egret]

you do need to explore, not biomes but you need to explore to find a village. i wanted to keep it relatively self contained with a village adventure

[flint egret]

working on a simple command that will just make the map not be gated

so people can run it if they are inclined

[tawdry rapids]

thats nice

[flint egret]

It completes the quest but you don't get any rewards

You'll also need to have cheats enabled

I think that's a good compromise

[digital yacht]

can you run it for other people? For example, an OP on a dedicated server running it for non-OPs

or I guess they could make a command block

[viral swan]

ngl, locked map early game kinda goes hard

modded minecraft with a hint of OG vanilla

i’m down with it

[brazen mortar]

All the people complaining about not having a map are not OG players.

[pliant igloo]

So it would help MCE2 continue to be a kitchen sink modpack with teeth?

[silent imp]

I mean come on it's ok for people to have preferences...just kidding yall are WEAK

[vast ibex]

absolutely not spending at least 3 minutes just deleting old death waypoints after i unlock the map

the good thing about hardcore mode is that you cannot get more than 1 death waypoint...

[digital yacht]

you either figure out how to survive the situation, or it suddenly isn't your problem anymore

[compact spruce]

The map will still map out areas that you visit before you unlock it, so you won't lose whatever you find while exploring for map ingredients

[viral swan]

I’m sure if the map issue is gonna be a super big deal to people, you can always go into your world/server config and enable the map for yourself

Or just enable cheats pre-gen and give yourself the quest items to receive the map

The map being disabled is just gonna be right out of the gate for people who just install the modpack and don’t do any configuration. When I run my servers I literally spend an hour or two configuring it to my groups preferences. So there will be options (i assume there will be since MCE1 had them)

[flint egret]

yeah there will always be many customization options, its minecraft you can play it however you want :>

[pliant igloo]

That reminds me, will MCE2 have a chunk pregeneration mod included?

[digital yacht]

I wish there was a GUI for the chunk pregen mod for server admins. But the 1.16.5 version is command only. Can't always remember the parameters

[sand lake]

OOoo, thats clever. I like how its not just remove or keep it like most mods. Then again, none of MCE2 isn't gonna be anything like most mods 🙏

[tawdry rapids]

i love solutions that integrate stuff in the game

like the terraria tp potion

so nice

[craggy socket]

Well, I first picked up minecraft in 2012 and I've been playing it on and off ever since. I've played packs with and without mapping functionality. I've used coordinates and a notebook to track relative locations. I've built big raised roads along significant accesses along with an interconnected nether network to make staying on the right path easier. I've built massive map walls using ingame maps when that was all I had. I've used cobblestone and dirt pillars with a torch as guides. I can play minecraft without journeymap or other mapping software just like I can play it without any other mod.

But, as an OG player, my preference is to have journeymap for all the reasons I expressed in my previous post.

[brazen mortar]

Hey! I started playing back in 2012 too haha. What hooked you in? I think I got it free on Xbox 360 and gave it a go and liked it enough to get it on the pc. Think I went 2 years on a vanilla server before someone told me there were mod packs to try. Never went back to vanilla after that. Loved it

[lament viper]

I preferred Xaeros over Journeymap when i have seen what kind of resource Hog JM is ( and because my JM folder was over 3GB by itself )

[sterile quarry]

can confirm Xaeros is super nice and is light

[flint egret]

we are using xaeros now

[flint egret]

scrapped journeymap for that very reason

[compact spruce]

Why so large?

Shouldn't it just be a few pngs?

[river heron]

Always had problems with xaeros playing with other people where non op players can't tp unless I add a perms mod

[flint egret]

i mean do you want non-op players teleporting around? because i wouldn't personally

[digital yacht]

correct

[craggy socket]

my wife is big into zombie movies and games and she came across it. she talked me into downloading the free trial with her and it wasn't long after that before we were sold on it. we didn't have much money so we saved up for it for a while and once we'd purchased it we just played it a TON. when mc would have an update, I'd read the patch notes off to her and we'd talk about how to incorporate new things, whether nor not to start a fresh world... modpacks were an entire revelation when I came across them. each one felt like a new entry in a much loved game series, bringing old favorites along but also breathing new life into the game over and over again. minecraft is a great game, but what modders and modpack developers have done with it since has made it something really incredible.

[flint egret]

that is very wholesome

love stories like that

[compact spruce]

That's the case with journeymap too. They both just execute a /tp command. It'd be really easy to abuse for all sorts of progression breaking nonsense if you could do it without op perms

[ancient schooner]

Theres a lot of shenangians you can get up to with that teleport…

[compact spruce]

Me when I set an innocent waypoint, then move it to another dimension and teleport to it

That's how I used to visit modded dimensions when I didn't know how to make the portals

So yeah, for anyone curious, that's why waypoint teleporting is op restricted. It's not like waystones, you can put a waypoint literally anywhere, including places you've never been and blocked off places (like a boss room in an unbreakable dungeon), and then teleport to it from the list

[ancient schooner]

Yeah.. used to do that when i got fed up running around places. Or solving puzzles

[boreal grail]

yeah any feedback i could have abt the map stuff has already been said lol, good but ideally should have a config option to skip it

im fully in favor of what matts said so far overall!

[twilit bane]

Castle

[digital yacht]

Definitely going to try and make that my base

[craggy socket]

it's always helpful when there are nice looking and functional base structures to 'acquire'. makes for a nice change from lawn base 😄

[boreal grail]

a freakin gorgeous structure, too

[undone forge]

🦀

[silver oriole]

🦀

[viral swan]

yeah when mce2 comes out, that shits gonna be baaaangin

[still lagoon]

There is no set date when MCE 2 is coming out. You have delayed it by another 24 hours.

[viral swan]

awe man what

cmon ivan don’t flag me, im trying to be positive here

[fiery jackal]

Ivan is a cold unfeeling machine. He takes after goat

[midnight rose]

ivan is a boss battle in mce2 he just crashes your game

[ancient schooner]

Boy oh boy castle. Cannot wait to never build my own base ever

[sonic sail]

will there be a gun that isnt the hunters handgun in mce2?

my patriotism is calling

[wintry cradle]

railgun is in mce1

[sonic sail]

hmmm

[wary zodiac]

Redstone Railgun ig

[stark loom]

Gun mods are pretty simple to add in yourself, usually not much of an integration issue

[sonic sail]

true

[grizzled scaffold]

Will Hatsune Miku be in mce2

[pliant igloo]

Not sure if PneumaticCraft will be in but if it is it has a minigun.

[rose bronze]

Gambling, firearms, elicit drugs, mce2 is gonna be a fun time.

[sterile quarry]

fake deletes your save

[tawdry rapids]

figura was backported to 1.16.5

can't wait to use figura on mce2

[rose bronze]

Fake bluescreens windows with either a 0xF (invalid drive), 0x21 (accessing a locked drive), 0xE1 (virus detected)

[sand lake]

POV me preparing to pet my favorite bee in MCE2… his name is cheese, he produces 600,000mB of liquid death per tick, with a slight bi product of hydrazine

[quartz zinc]

mce2 should include something to avoid rain

or deactivate it without the need of commands

[silver oriole]

Magic

[tawdry rapids]

have you heard of umbrella

[undone forge]

😳😳

Some magic mod will probs also allow for brewing illegal alcoholic beverages, and there probs is potential to also commit grand theft rocket

Mce2 will be wild to say the least

[sonic sail]

me heading over to my "friend's" base to steal their rocket and crash it in their nether portal

[white willow]

one of the sneak peeks basically confirmed it (unless something changed since then) since it showed liquid hoppers

[river heron]

yeah its mostly for a private server with friends I dont want to give them OP but they can still tp around just dont abuse it and i dont really see anything wrong with it

also journeymap uses the same command but the difference is theres an option in the settings that allows regular players to teleport around even if they arent OP

[sand lake]

join me next sunday at the second annual protest for bees in MCE2 and youll have your rain control... Can do it in MCE1 with magic or BEEEES, I prefer the BEE method

[silver oriole]

You've done this a year ago?

[brave hound]

It was devastating last year, we try not to talk about it. Boy did it show results though

[wide jacinth]

There was a bee protest?

[white willow]

unbee-lievable

[sand lake]

The bees mustn’t be forgotten!! I told them not to bring those sinister bees last year!!! I told them!! Oh the devastation..

[primal estuary]

I love this thread

[silver oriole]

Does the thread love you

[rose bronze]

Yes

[viral swan]

bless everyone’s day

mudkip thanks you all for your patience with MCE2

[pliant igloo]

One mod I've been wondering about: Guard Villagers. I've tried it in more recent MC modpacks and like it a lot. Best of all, it makes Nitwits actually useful.

[white willow]

Possibly unpopular opinion but nitwits shouldn't be useful; that's why they're called nitwits

[compact spruce]

Same deal as poison potatoes

[vast ibex]

no 😭

[heady inlet]

Hey McE2 Team, will there be a World Gen mod like Tectonic, Terraforged or Terralith included?

[uncut chasm]

Sadly I believe terralith and tectonic are for 1.18+ I think

[heady inlet]

Cries in beautiful mountain ranges

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[heady inlet]

Crap

[silent imp]

🦀?

[grizzled scaffold]

💩🦀

[silent imp]

🦀

[vast ibex]

guys i have a theory, what if the individual behind "Crab" is actually a crab?

[sonic sail]

leave humanity. return to crab.

[pliant igloo]

Mmmm, 🦀 🍰

[undone forge]

🦀🦀

[sterile quarry]

🦀

[grizzled scaffold]

Thoughts on crabulon?

[mental ether]

Terraria crabulon? He has one the best songs in that mod pack

[grizzled scaffold]

Yees 🦀 🪩

[fiery jackal]

?unmute @fiery jackal

[still lagoon]

Successfully unmuted persius12

[silent imp]

Wait why are you constantly unmuting yourself in here ? Is goat muting you in other channels but for some reason you are allowed to type here (where goat doesnt come) and unmute yourself ?

[fiery jackal]

i can unmute myself anywhere, but goat refuses to come here, so i can do it all stealthy like

[lucid forum]

Don’t tell goat 🤫

[hasty crag]

🤣

[silent imp]

We will keep your secret persius

Mostly because we are too scared to tag goat at all

[undone forge]

🦀

[fiery jackal]

That and I can also mute people too 😈

I know that is you Heather. Show yourself

[fallow plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/chipmunk-dramatic-gif-4265641

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-slap-in-the-face-robin-rage-angry-gif-16766976

[fallow plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-snorlax-pancake-eyes-redeye-gif-5939164

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-the-last-airbender-avatar-atla-tloa-gif-14828041

[fallow plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/snorlax-gif-5941475

Adam hates us already

[undone forge]

Crab

[grizzled scaffold]

I wonder if mce2 will have features from the newest versions. Like I haven't really played any mc past 1.16

[digital yacht]

There's futureMC mod that back ports a lot of things. Can't confirm it's in mce2 of course but it's available

[white willow]

#1143760162478370836 message

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[maiden island]

It there a hint if Futurepack mod will be featured in MCE2? I'm looking forward to play with that mod for ages, because it seems really interesting and chock full of content, space exploration and stuff. but for some reason no modpack ever includes it

[heady inlet]

McE will be 1.16.5 right? Does that mean Distant Horizon compatibility?

[vast ibex]

the lore thickens

the canon is expanded

the plot is developed

[grizzled scaffold]

too buggy sadly (if i recall correctly)

[white willow]

last time I heard (which was about 3-4 years ago), it was extremely unstable and buggy

might be better now but idk

[maiden island]

Ye it probably was still in alpha/beta back then.

[midnight rose]

Any chance of a sneak peak soon?

[vast ibex]

when the peak is sneaky (idk i never entered a server with a in-dev project)

[heady inlet]

this rocks

[silver oriole]

I hate what you said but it made me laugh

[heady inlet]

mission accomplished

[silver oriole]

the dwarfs must've had a rocky relationship

[heady inlet]

completing*

[flint egret]

whoops

ty

[heady inlet]

np ^^

made me worry for a second that I wrote it wrong for the past few years lul

[flint egret]

yoinking that

[midnight rose]

🙌

[silver oriole]

[pliant igloo]

Just don't expect it to do much, it's perpetually stoned.

[rose yoke]

What a solid pet

[hasty crag]

I think its gonna be really HARD to get

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-despicable-me-rock-excited-gif-17201082

[hasty crag]

yo perisus i thought u were muted indefinetly?

[fiery jackal]

see mutes do not really stick on me

i have over 250ish muties

[hasty crag]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-monkey-sad-monkey-meme-gif-17038822304906738082

[fiery jackal]

thats why i have a unique title and color compared to everyone

[hasty crag]

yeah i can see that dang true

[fiery jackal]

this isnt 100% accurate but close enough

[silver oriole]

The name of the color is quite funny

[fiery jackal]

it puts me in stealth mode

[silver oriole]

[fiery jackal]

yea i earned that in 100 mutes, i might get a 2nd title after i hit 300

in other words, no one in this server will get more mutes than me, so my belt is safe

[silver oriole]

unless someone

[fiery jackal]

if someone can get enough mutes to beat me and not be banned, will be extremly impressive

[silver oriole]

What if someone beats you out of spite

This may be the one place his influence doesn't reach but it is a ticking time bomb to when his influence reaches here

[fiery jackal]

but 90% of my mutes are from goat, and if you draw him here, he will be even more angry

[silver oriole]

I will not draw him here

[fiery jackal]

that is a good choice

[silver oriole]

but it'll no longer be sneak peeks one day

[pliant igloo]

But at that point this subchannel will likely become irrelevant and Goat won't bother reading it.

[silver oriole]

That could be true

[fiery jackal]

goat will not come here ever

[silver oriole]

Guess you could call this

The goat scape area

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[wide jacinth]

It would be a little funny if he deleted the post and never mentioned it

[digital yacht]

My friends and I will definitely beat up an experimental build
#🎨mce2-dev-sneak-peek message

[silent imp]

OPEN BETA LETS GO!!

im so down, just to get a bit acquainted with the mods and the pack before starting a real full playthrough while reporting here for bugs when I encounter them

[silver oriole]

The next week's of my life will be for bug searching and conquering

[fiery jackal]

#NoReleaseDateYet

[silver oriole]

when it does I mean

[pliant igloo]

This is still the "running it up a flagpole" stage for releasing a beta.

[fiery jackal]

*greased flag pole

[viral swan]

unpopular opinion, i feel like MCE shouldnt be released in beta

i feel like that would put even more stress on the dev team to polish the modpack. Theres already a ton of people who are begging for MCE2 to be released, imagine how its gonna be when thousands of people are complaining about glitches and things that they want changed/patched/added

me personally, ive been around enough to see how much work Adam and the rest of the team put into the modpack to make it meet their expectations as well as everyone elses. If that means waiting longer for a stable version of the modpack, im okay with that.

[compact spruce]

i agree completely, but it seems the vast majority just want to play it in some form or another

personally i feel like having it in an incomplete state would "ruin the magic" so to speak

it won't be as special as playing a full release, and it'll also make the full release feel less special

[silver oriole]

not saying this in a mean way just avoid playing until it fully releases if that is how you feel both are valid opinions

That way it'll keep the magic for ya when ya start it

[livid dirge]

Ya, I get that people don't want to play till start but I would love to help find the bugs so the dev team doesn't have to do all the bug hunting themselves

[flint egret]

Everyone would be expected to understand it's a beta and thus there be dragons etc. It will actually make my life easier getting live feedback and receiving bug reports from multiple users on multiple machines

I would anticipate a lot of people would prefer to hold off until it's released fully and I completely understand and respect that decision

[flint egret]

Hopefully it won't make anything less special, players will get to participate in the development and the full release would still be an important event

[compact spruce]

kinda hard to "just not play it" when i'm as active in this server as i am. i'd rather not have to just mute all mce related channels until the release, y'know?

[flint egret]

I would definitely limit all discussion to a chat located in here

[silver oriole]

I have a suggestion

[flint egret]

And ban chats about it in general and off topic

[silver oriole]

for the channels

[flint egret]

Go ahead

[silver oriole]

A separate area you can only access by reacting to a post

[flint egret]

Yeah it would definitely need to be opt in. Good point.

[silver oriole]

Also sorry if it says I'm constantly typing, playing helldivers while typing

[flint egret]

I do feel like this is the next logical step for development. Currently I'm a little directionless and just making content infinitely, getting player feedback will help to motivate me and give me stuff to work on / fix that is actually important to furthering the development of the modpack.

[fiery jackal]

ill most likely play it on release. That way i can help people as best as i can with support

[pliant igloo]

Me, I've got QA experience I can dust off and use to make MCE2 better.

[fiery jackal]

i have technical experience

[silver oriole]

I have no experience other than brain hurts

[digital yacht]

QA experience rise up

[silent imp]

Qa experience ?

Quality assessment?

[ornate swallow]

quality assurance I would assume

[fiery jackal]

Goathelix is correct

[silent imp]

Aw close

[topaz yew]

Hey, considering the vote, can we ask when will we get MCE2 Beta or is that not aight

[silent imp]

Its probably SoonTM

[topaz yew]

i am so ready to have the shaders crash my pc into oblivion

[silent imp]

If we go ahead with it could we have some sort of reward for people who contribute decently to the testing ? Like a special role on discord or something

[topaz yew]

just let me have the solstice sword in game all year and im ok

[fiery jackal]

i wouldnt ping adam... they are busy doing the dev stuff

[topaz yew]

i didnt ping adam

[fiery jackal]

gotcha, a lot of people dont know how to turn off the ping when with responding so i was just trying to watch out for you

[topaz yew]

goat has EXTENSIVELY complained about it to me

[fiery jackal]

i would say explained

[topaz yew]

agree to disagree?

LMAO

@ Adam also, is howester's dungeons done?

[rose bronze]

This is a checklist I'd run through,
Am I happy with the current quest line and feel it captures the essence of the first pack with both being a learning tool, and as well as the source of lore/story line of the pack?
Am I happy with the cohesiveness of the story?
Am I happy with the content (quality and amount)provided thus far?
Do I feel I've done my best in preparing this pack for the public?
Do I have processes in place to deal with the large influx of expected bug reports
Advertisement if applicable
Sponsorship if applicable

Then some other just general checks that all packs need.
Intergrated shader packs (prefered multiple for different pc specs) by default
Keybinds setup in a not dumb way
Auto jump "off"
Public server already made and generated for (x) blocks

[flint egret]

yeah I can figure something out

Maybe a hat or something for people who contributed

[pliant igloo]

A cape with a squashed bug on it.

[fiery jackal]

but i already have a cape 😦

and i dont know how to change it

[pliant igloo]

And you could have a better cape.

[bold forge]

rat with explosives

[silver oriole]

Rat with bigger explosives

[ionic bay]

red ratter matter explosive

[bold forge]

yes

perfect

[flint egret]

~~rat sitting on a red matter explosive holding a lighter ~~

[topaz yew]

.

[silver oriole]

Even better

Rat boomer

[topaz yew]

i like how your thinking gets increasingly out of hand

[flint egret]

see this is why my projects need to be out in the open and under public scrutiny

[topaz yew]

yeah LMAO

[flint egret]

or i will just keep making nonsense

[ionic bay]

adam what do u think about rat on treadmill as source of SU for create

[topaz yew]

i am so very glad you came to this conclusion

so we can finally ask

[flint egret]

love it

[topaz yew]

mce 2 (beta) when

[flint egret]

soon enough

[topaz yew]

[silver oriole]

Where's ivan

[topaz yew]

unironically tho, im happy you'll be releasing the beta and I def think that you'll speed up things a lot

[pliant igloo]

Ugh, with the thought of MCE2 beta and LL7 going to do their 1.0 release this week I'm being teased so hard right now.

[topaz yew]

and you'll work with very little pressure too? i guess?

[silver oriole]

Limitless 7 is releasing this week?

[ionic bay]

just let him take his time

[topaz yew]

i mean, once beta is out, no one is gonna be on his ears asking 'mce2 when'

[flint egret]

they likely will :>

[pliant igloo]

Yep! It got announced on Sunday.

[compact spruce]

there absolutely will be but go off ig

[flint egret]

the beta is just a beta

[topaz yew]

once its out they cant ask when will it be out

[flint egret]

the release will have everything i want to a polish im happy with

[topaz yew]

full release when

[flint egret]

i would consider it to not even be a release

more like a nightly build

0.1

[topaz yew]

how many hours of content do you reckon there already is?

[silent imp]

At least 7

[fiery jackal]

damn not even 1.0

[flint egret]

1.0 is release

[topaz yew]

bro base game is already 40+ if u are bad enough

[flint egret]

not a clue

[silver oriole]

butter toast

[fiery jackal]

that does make more sense. So Alpha 0.1

[silent imp]

So im right

[silver oriole]

Neat

I forgot I had nitro till I clicked on my own profile

[flint egret]

also people will be able to see what im working on in real-time and test it immediately, which is very motivating for me.

[topaz yew]

how glitchy is it for you rn?

and people can say it was worth the wait lmao

[fiery jackal]

As long as it doesn't make you more stressed. Anxiety is the mother of burnout

[flint egret]

anticipation and endless hype makes me more stressed, i would much rather people experience the bits and pieces i work on each week and provide feedback compared to me working on it quietly and not knowing if its enjoyable or worthwhile to work on

one more bonus is it should encourage me to keep better changelogs

[digital yacht]

it's minecraft. How ever many hours you want to make

[flint egret]

emperdog should be pleased with that lel

[digital yacht]

Love me some robust changelogs

[fiery jackal]

That is also a fair point! I just have seen a alot of projects abandoned for one reason or another and with the amount of heart and soul you've pored in. I don't want to see that happen to you

[bold forge]

good commit history = good and detailed changelogs

[rose bronze]

Rat riding a crab like a horse stabbing a flag through a bug

[digital yacht]

I saw someone earlier make a suggestion about an opt-in role to see stuff about MCE2 beta when that goes out. Would that be where bug reports happen? I know Discord has a built in forums feature now, not sure how good it is as I have never used it. I am a GitHub Issues type of person

Cause I think a template for reports could help cut through some of that noise that makes the feedback process kinda random in quality. And to stop issues like "halp, game no work. No further info"

[silver oriole]

Helldivers moment

[fiery jackal]

We do not support AI art here. As it is based off stolen art from actual artists. I wanted to send you a message why the message has been deleted

[viral swan]

I understand, very well put. I agree with you 100% now that you put it into perspective. I am just a humble user, not a developer haha. I believe in you and your team to make the best decisions as far as release date/content

[untold bough]

can we have a rats addon for tinkers

like material

[bold forge]

what for like cheese material

[untold bough]

no

like rats

like literally put a rat on the smelter

[bold forge]

what

[untold bough]

ys

yes

like smelt a rat and get rat

[bold forge]

molten rat

[boreal grail]

well, there is pigiron, rat ingot isnt That far out of left field

[bold forge]

true

[boreal grail]

also YOOOOO MCE2 BETA LETS GO!!! i only just saw that

i would post the critikal gif if it could embed lol

[bold forge]

just post the png

[boreal grail]

youre so right! take this high quality png

[silver oriole]

"sample text"

[untold bough]

yes

[boreal grail]

this image apparently came from a site called "injuries(.)co(.)za" which is. definitely a real website run by a person made of flesh

[untold bough]

make it have 69 trillion damage and morgan le fay

[bold forge]

no

[boreal grail]

thats just the base damage, it goes up if you kill villagers like the morgan from mahou tsukai

[bold forge]

let the sword eat cheese to become stronger temporarily

[boreal grail]

the actual damage limit is 420 trillion, obviously

[bold forge]

up to +74.1% of base damage or something idk

[untold bough]

yesd

wait no

why percent

[bold forge]

because that number kind of looks like rat

[bold forge]

because it should not be cosmically silly

[woven turret]

hello emper

[bold forge]

unless it is endgame

[untold bough]

tru

[bold forge]

hi

[untold bough]

maybe just make it an early material and give somthing like plague to enemies

[bold forge]

plague is silly and very double edged so that would be difficult to use

especially for earlygame

[untold bough]

yes

thats fun

[bold forge]

i think cheese eating sword for damage bonus is silly

[untold bough]

tru

[bold forge]

it could also use the other types of cheese for special effects

[untold bough]

omg yes

can we give it morgan le fay

[bold forge]

now i wonder if i can hack into the tinker trait builder with kubejs

[woven turret]

whatre you guys cooking up

[bold forge]

so that i can procrastinate having a working modding environment

[woven turret]

a cheese morgan ? 💀

[untold bough]

yes

[bold forge]

rat tinker material

[untold bough]

yes

[woven turret]

thats based

[untold bough]

can we also make weezer useful

[silver oriole]

That's quite cheesy of you

[bold forge]

i think adam would probably approve of my stupid idea here

but that's cause it's a good ass idea

[woven turret]

please

[untold bough]

[woven turret]

do we know if money will be making a return in mce2?

[silver oriole]

A Rorgan

[bold forge]

yes

[woven turret]

WOO

[silver oriole]

Rat morgan

[untold bough]

yes

[woven turret]

my favorite part

[silver oriole]

I think gambling too don't quote me

[woven turret]

i want to become very rich

[woven turret]

[bold forge]

capitalism will be allowed

we should make sure you can buy oil too

[woven turret]

cant wait to buy 9000 crates

[bold forge]

only then can the modpack truly have capitalism 🦅

[woven turret]

real

[untold bough]

add costco hotdog

[silver oriole]

1.50$ hotdog

[woven turret]

thaumcraft my beloved

[untold bough]

its such a good deal

[silver oriole]

fr

[bold forge]

even though lack of thaumcraft you can expect me to add thaumcraft references because yes

[woven turret]

yay the questbook will be fun to read

[bold forge]

maybe i'll add joke primordial pearl as a funny

[woven turret]

wait no thaumcraft ?

[untold bough]

wait why not thaum

[bold forge]

because it not exist

[woven turret]

😭

[untold bough]

what version is mce 2 on

[silver oriole]

make joke on heart

1.16.5

[bold forge]

unless thaum 7 beta for 1.16.5 just came out 2 hours ago

[silver oriole]

[bold forge]

which i am pretty sure it did not

[woven turret]

check again

[silver oriole]

DW I'll remind you in 2 hours to check again

i won't I'll probably be asleep

[pliant igloo]

PneumaticCraft is in the pack, so that's already covered. I even proposed integrating the Amadron tablet into the money system and Adam liked the idea.
#1143742498808799232 message

[brazen mortar]

So who is doing the sever for the beta? Beam me up Scotty

[ionic bay]

probably quack

[digital yacht]

I have also volunteered to run one

I have a feeling that a serious pre-generating will need to be ran before people start running around though

[untold bough]

when was the beta releasing?

[pliant igloo]

[untold bough]

https://tenor.com/view/forumsmileys-general-angry2-gif-10229805

[dull maple]

LETS GO WE GETTING BETA EDTION

BUT 🇼 🇭 🇪 🇳

[sonic sail]

later than planned now

[boreal grail]

people asking when delays the Release of mce2 by a day, so the beta isnt affected

[fiery birch]

the willingness of the devs to open a beta just made my day!

[heady inlet]

Feels more like just a bunch of pressure from McE fans than willingness

[teal pebble]

did you not read what adam said? he said they need player feedback at the point of development they are at

[silent imp]

Nah adam def wanted an open beta it's the correct move

[heady inlet]

bro there were like 500 messages from 2 am to 8 am in my timezone...i got uni exams. got no time to read all that xD

But even better if adam is pro beta

[teal pebble]

then why are you saying stuff like that when you don’t know what you’re talking about

[heady inlet]

cause I was referring to this dude, don't know why you are getting so worked up

[fallow plinth]

you could've read the mce sneak post instead :^)

[heady inlet]

didn't do that yet, but my fault I guess

[teal pebble]

👍

[hybrid path]

At the very least the beta will finally confirm what mods are actually in it currently, and with enough people actively looking for and reporting bugs and ideas it can smooth any rough spots that could have been missed by having so much content to work with

[deft sluice]

Ok but when is the beta coming out

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/eventually-ryan-fluff-bruce-riffs-beards-and-gear-finally-in-the-end-gif-22576499

[deft sluice]

So like in 2 month?

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/who-knows-shrug-what-shades-on-idk-gif-15962763

[deft sluice]

2 months confirmed by mods ty

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[fiery jackal]

not mod *helper

[fallow plinth]

minimod

[deft sluice]

So you are confirming then👀

Okok I am just jk

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/tantrum-kicking-gif-23507491

[tawdry rapids]

mce2..

save me mce2..

[lyric bronze]

The idea of a beta and helping my favorite modpack's sequel develop further... losing my whole mind

[ancient cave]

Is it actually happening?

[lyric bronze]

I sure hope so!

[ancient cave]

I hope the annoucement channel explodes my eardrums when it happens. This pack is the only reason i actually bought minecraft

[fiery jackal]

im scared for the amount of poeple that will join this discord...

[digital yacht]

pre-500k gang gang

[ancient cave]

pretty sure its too late to worry about too many people 😆

So when it becomes available(WHEN?) are we suposed to report the bugs we find somewhere in this discord or will there be a thingy for that in the client?

[silent imp]

They will most likely make a channel for that and give people who are interested a role to join that channel

[silent imp]

I was hoping 2 days tbh

[heady inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-kiddo-guns-gif-19570543

[modern sonnet]

yippee

[hasty crater]

Good luck soldier 🫡

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo2-halo-oorah-gif-15782884

[sand lake]

Look if I can't smoke or swear thats a violation of my rights under the peoples choices and voices act and therefore I can't properly defend myself under the court of law your majesty... Really though sorry about that, forgot about the family friendly nature of this discord. I am still excited to beta test and break as much as I can....

if we do get the beta

[heady inlet]

Huh did I miss something?

[sand lake]

A message I sent earlier this morning got removed I assume for the excited profanity lol

And that is a reference to the TV show Trailerpark Boys

[heady inlet]

Never heard of it

[sand lake]

It's... its interesting... Just stupid entertainment. It's like some guys with a camera on youtube took it just far enough to make it on TV

[tawdry rapids]

just hoping its out on beta by july

to be enjoyed in my big free time amount

[inland ore]

anyway imho mce2 was so long waited that itll come out underwhelming

or at least the risk is high

should have started talkin bout it WAAAY later imo

now everybody will expect crazy perfection out of not only a beta, but in general a project that is still made by humans like

[tawdry rapids]

i mean yeah

but i doubt it will be underwhelming

my expectations are not too high but i am hoping to see like mce but improved

which by the sneek peeks it seems that way

[midnight rose]

to be fair it was originally predicted to be out over a year ago

[silver oriole]

With a small team that they have it isn't surprising on how long it took and is gonna take, my honest expectations are in the middle I know it's gonna be good due to the effort put in and time put in

[flint egret]

i mean this is a massive fear i have personally. i would like to remind everyone this is still a minecraft modpack and not a AAA game, we put a lot of work and effort into the project and if it falls short of expectations that would be upsetting but its ultimately up to you where you place your expectations

i put a lot of love into the project and hopefully that will be evident

and as more time passes, my fears about hype and expectations only get louder and louder :>

[inland ore]

i mean i love it already, i supported it from min1 even donating u some jus to help out cus i knew

im just analyzing the situation

people been spamming to release it since at least late 2021 as far as i remember

[brazen mortar]

Im sure it will be amazing adam. your very good at what you do and the effort you put into this easily sets you appart from other developers

[inland ore]

it s like 3 years of people thinking about how insane it'd be and the sneakpeaks did a great job of highlighting cool stuff bringing even more hype and expectation

[digital yacht]

The quest descriptions alone show more work than I see in most other packs. Actually taking the time to personalize them

[silver oriole]

I like the funny rock

[inland ore]

so yeah now it's about people entering it and the pack living up to those expectations from a beta release, its gonna be hard but we'll manage

[silver oriole]

As long as you don't commit a ark you're all good in my book

[inland ore]

whats a ark

[silver oriole]

where do I begin

[inland ore]

from the start

[digital yacht]

Going to put this on the highest pedestal

(jk tempered expectations)

[silver oriole]

Promise something then lie then proceed to lie twice more then recreate the game in a different engine then promise it was gonna be free then lie then promise all future dlcs will be in the first initial purchase then lie then jack up the price then (possibly made the game pay to win)

my hope in ark has gone out the window into a garbage bin

I would like to note this is impossible to do so you're gonna be all good

[hasty crater]

hell even AAA games fall short, it's a modpack for minecraft. If some people have their hopes sky high, it's their fault not yours. It took MC Eternal 1 a long time to be where it's at now, so it should be expected for the sequel to follow a similar pattern

[rose bronze]

Hopefully skyfactory 5 doesn't drop at the same time mce2 does. We can only handle 1 banger modpack at a time

[silent imp]

Yeah agreed with this. I think adam might not have wanted to follow the same path as mce1 and wanted to release mce2 in top quality from the start but honestly an open beta just seemes very necessary to get to that point. There is only so much you can do with a much larger community helping with feedback. If people have a problem with not figuring that it's in beta and what a beta is then it's on them.

[ionic bay]

average gamer cannot comprehend what is the difference between "alpha", "beta", and release

[lyric bronze]

my only expectation is for the pack to have the kind of fun character MCE1 had. too many packs take everything so seriously nowadays.

[grizzled scaffold]

so true!!! i think minecraft in general does really well with a casual audience and mce was a pack that felt like it was truly building on that while also introducing technical stuff at a great pace to not seem overbearing

[spring scroll]

so the mod count for mc2 is currently 746 thats BEEFY

[silver oriole]

What

[rich canyon]

That's Beautiful

[silent imp]

Where did you get that from

[silver oriole]

You sure?

[spring scroll]

adam is playing it rn you can hover over the icon and see

it shows 746 mods loaded

[silver oriole]

That is creepy

why u stalking

[spring scroll]

its on his public profile, on his public discord, at the top of the user list

[silver oriole]

(joking) but 746

Big big number

[spring scroll]

true

over double MC1

[silver oriole]

I'm pretty sure most of those are custom

[spring scroll]

Fake mods to make the pack look scary. Saw a post about some programmers who had to pass a percentage test. So like 90% of the code had to run without error. So one of the dudes just wrote a function with like 1000 lines of logging 'Get Good' to the console until it was over 90% running without error

Itd be funny

[silver oriole]

[spring scroll]

Everytime i see that i hear "YOUUUUU" from SoijaBoy

[flint egret]

at least a fifth of those mods are library mods and a half are small QOL mods

[silver oriole]

[flint egret]

content mod wise, its likely equal to mce1 i would wager

[silver oriole]

how much ram is it gonna eat

[silent imp]

At least 3

[silver oriole]

maybe 4

[flint egret]

as much as you feed it

[silver oriole]

gonna feed it 60

[silent imp]

Time to download more ram

[silver oriole]

lol

Wanna borrow some ram

[midnight rose]

I’m renting ram if anyone needs it will only cost a buck 🤭

[silver oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-animals-gif-what-who-gif-18976034

[midnight rose]

🐏

[silent imp]

Yeah I've got a really good link to download more ram you just gotta click it

[flint egret]

daily sneak peek

[silent imp]

Omg this is probably for me

[silver oriole]

Sneak of the peak

[rich canyon]

now i wish my name was mudkip

[silver oriole]

Why

[sand lake]

a guy at home depot said mining turtles are coming back in mce2

[rich canyon]

because I favor mudkip over charmander I guess

[silver oriole]

Good choice

[lyric bronze]

it's those fun little tooltips that i love. it's the little things that really make it for me. and ofc the ways of getting me to explore mods i never even dared to before; heck, MCE1 introduced me to Rats! and i love adding that funny lil mod into anywhere i can jam it and have it still work.

[digital yacht]

MCE1 introduced me to rats. And then introduced me to making sure there isn't a dragon on the other side of the hill I chose

[pliant igloo]

Or deep under the mountain that I established as my base.

[sonic sail]

only to show up after you finely crafted your base

[brazen mortar]

Right?! Like. Every dam time

[sonic sail]

i had one show up after i built my base and i had to log out and ask someone else to kill it for me because it poked its wing through my wall and i had only just started

[heady inlet]

aren't blocks you ward with I think it was Astral Sorcery dragon safe?

[undone forge]

Crab

[fallow plinth]

what if it's all a joke for april fools day 💀

[teal pebble]

i think i would explode

[ancient cave]

I am excited for mce2 but man I will miss thaumcraft... The OG for like 13 years now?

[sand lake]

Definitely gonna lose some server members from no Thaumcraft 😭

[fiery jackal]

I always found thaumcraft so incredibly tedious and oops you messed up. Now you are plagued with hallucinations. Which you also can't cure

[heady inlet]

Skill gap

[fiery jackal]

false, what you are looking for is "Git Guud"

[heady inlet]

sorry let me rephrase

Skill gap + Git guud

but don't forget to git add, commit and push

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-dirt-league-vldl-souls-logic-dark-souls-git-gud-gif-19856700

[rose yoke]

Thaum was fun the first time I did it, Okay the second time, and a chore anytime afterwards

[ionic bay]

where git rebase

[rose yoke]

Usually my friend would ask me start thaum so he could get thaumium for tinkers

[ancient cave]

It's more my emotinal connection to it than it's usefullness

and using taint to epic troll someones home is based

[sly spindle]

Thaumcraft was amazing in its peak but there has to be some sort of reason to when we let other mods step forward, I get the nostalgia factor but dear lord it's refreshing to do other magic mods.

[ancient cave]

ars magica 2 was fun too

[midnight rose]

never did thaum 😎

[silent imp]

Good thing goat doesnt come here this conversation would have given him an aneurysm

[vast ibex]

• post made by the "never did thaum" gang

[light hinge]

https://tenor.com/bAvei.gif

[digital yacht]

I remember doing thaum forever ago. Pre 1.12 for sure

[dull maple]

[livid dirge]

I just really miss the block it had due to how they looked, really with someone would do a port of the blocks just for decrative purposes

[heavy shale]

thats a long Startup time xD

[bold forge]

i think adam broke game

[silver oriole]

[vast ibex]

me after forgetting to allocate ram:

[leaden kiln]

Wait what is this the beta?

It's out on curseforge? I'm genuinely wondering I wanna play so bad

[ornate swallow]

probably stalking adam's discord activity

[heavy shale]

this

[leaden kiln]

Oomf

[silver oriole]

Creepers

[leaden kiln]

Alright

[heavy shale]

awww man

[leaden kiln]

I'm like a lil kid waiting for a new toy

[bold forge]

hi please do not those words

and generally do not cuss

[undone forge]

🦀

[silver oriole]

🦀

[ionic bay]

🦀

[leaden kiln]

[bold forge]

thank yous

[compact spruce]

Looks pretty funny post-edit

[bold forge]

true

[leaden kiln]

[copper whale]

i have been checking this server every other day for a year and half. words cant express my excitement

[heady inlet]

Those are rookie numbers

[cobalt monolith]

Hey adam, 2 questions:
in the open beta, will there be a challenge quest section / bragging rights?
and if the item count for the random box is 19xx, maybe just add a 100 more for it to be 2024 items just because it aligns up with the year lol

[teal pebble]

lol my friend literally texted me this yesterday what are the odds

[silent imp]

I was just thinking wouldn't it be nice to have the open beta to play this weekend ?

[cobalt monolith]

it would be nice to have it as soon as possible in other words

[ornate swallow]

don't get your hopes up

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[digital yacht]

It would be nice for it to open on a weekend but as a server operator, a weekday would be better so I could pregen the map first lmao

[vast ibex]

get your hopes down.

[silent imp]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[vast ibex]

😱

[pliant igloo]

Fair point. Release and pregen on Wednesday, open the server on Friday.

[vast ibex]

cant believe More Crab Eternal 2 is so (kinda) close, but also so (kinda) far

[bold forge]

uh wrong chat?

[quartz zinc]

yeah, mb

[undone forge]

🦀

[undone forge]

Moist Crab Eternal 😳😳😳😳

[delicate mulch]

2: Rise of the Crayfish

[viral swan]

How are people still asking for MCE2 to come out

I do not understand my friends

[fiery jackal]

because there was a wiff of it and it started a frenzy

[viral swan]

no literally

[cobalt monolith]

because its anticipated?

[viral swan]

It’s also been stated very clearly that there is no release date, and people need to just let the project develop and not ask constantly

it’s in the FAQ

[silent imp]

Idk man adam mentioning open beta makes me think he could release that any day now

[fiery jackal]

full release no, beta yes

[topaz yew]

they literally said beta is coming

soonTM

[cobalt monolith]

he also stated very clearly that public beta will probably release in the (near) future, which everyone is excited about

[viral swan]

Where

[fiery jackal]

#🎨mce2-dev-sneak-peek

[midnight rose]

womp womp

[topaz yew]

i feel like its weirda sking if people want to see an open beta and then not giving it for like a month lmao

[viral swan]

if the modpack beta releases soon that would be fantastic, but

🤷🏻‍♂️

[topaz yew]

like, no point on announcing an open beta is coming and then going missing for 3 months

[fiery jackal]

Its Adams pack, so he will release it when its ready

[viral swan]

this

[silent imp]

I mean just asking is fine but adam said the modpack as it is right now is at a stage where he is happy with what has done and a beta is possible. So it felt be was saying he could release the beta at any time if he wanted thats why people are asking

[topaz yew]

yeah exactly, and exactly why going not releasing it for a long period of time is a weird choice

[silent imp]

He probably has his reasons

[topaz yew]

like
hey guys it is playable in a beta stage, yall want it?
releases it 3 months later

[topaz yew]

it makes sense in my mind that he is setting up the beta launch, not necesarilly working on the pack itself, which is fair

[viral swan]

i think about it like this, people have been barraging adam about MCE2 being released for years, and now he’s announced a potential beta for the community

[fiery jackal]

he said it is playable, not that he is happy with it

[viral swan]

what i’m saying is, people just need to stop asking

and it will release when it does

[topaz yew]

afaik he literally said he is happy with the current stage as a beta

[fiery jackal]

and it would be easier it get general user bug reports and issues

[viral swan]

now everyone is going to shift from asking when MCE2 is coming out, to “When is the beta coming out”

[still lagoon]

There is no set date when MCE 2 is coming out. You have delayed it by another 24 hours.

[silent imp]

Yeah like he probably has a few things he needs to take care of then just writing up all the info needed on curseforge or whatever is needed to upload a modpack

[topaz yew]

yeah but like
he announced the beta is coming, it is obviously forseable that people would ask when its coming

[fiery jackal]

Lets all just be happy that there is a update and there is movement in a good direction. Instead of another game breaking bug that pushes dev time back

[viral swan]

Adam announced the development of MCE2 and people have been asking for years when it’s going to be released, everyone just needs to be patient and not constantly asking when MCE2 is going to be released, beta or not

[still lagoon]

There is no set date when MCE 2 is coming out. You have delayed it by another 24 hours.

[ionic bay]

this is why shouldve had a closed beta instead of announcing to the whole server

[viral swan]

he even said in one of the sub forums that people were borderline harassing him over the release date and he lost inspiration

imagine you’re working on a passion project for a community that just constantly asks when your project is going to be released

[topaz yew]

sure but thats not what is happening rn though

[ionic bay]

announcing the release date of an open beta is no different from announcing the actual release date

[topaz yew]

he announced there will be a launch
people are asking when is launch

thats honestly absolutely forseable and fair

[viral swan]

have you gotten your answer for the launch?

i’m pretty sure the answer will remain the same, it will release when it does, or when the team has a deadline for a foreseeable date

[ionic bay]

average gamer is endlessly impatient and has no idea about how game development works no matter how much they think they do, which is why you see stuff like this happen

[viral swan]

Imagine having to say that to a community you’ve built from the ground up, that’s heart breaking

[ionic bay]

i have seen other projects where project lead has gotten tired of the complaints altogether and just ghosted the community

[viral swan]

If you’re impatient and want to complain about something not being done soon enough, do it yourself. Otherwise have some empathy

[fiery jackal]

Lets all just be happy its coming. No need for being impatient

[ionic bay]

last time i said that i got shit on but it is what it is

[teal pebble]

lol i swear this channel is literally just ppl arguing lol

[viral swan]

lmao

[boreal grail]

i feel like this is a very different situation than people harrassing adam abt the release, since adam basically said "i think im gonna drop a beta soon"

as in, the tone of the "when" questions are now more curious than demanding

sorta like how if someone says theyre going on a cool vacation, you might respond "oh nice, when do you get to go?"

[boreal grail]

also werent you literally there trying to convince adam to not release a beta at the time, you know where lmao

[topaz yew]

yeah exactly

announcing that it is coming will obviously generate questions of when

and since it has been announced that it is coming soon, it is very different from constantly asking when it would be coming out

[boreal grail]

yeah trying to equate the two is a real weird hill to die on tbh

[topaz yew]

AND adam has said that simply asking and harrassing him are very different things, and I dont agree with the latter either

[topaz yew]

it makes it seem like adam is this unquestionable person, no one can ask politely when something he announced that will be coming out soon will actually come out

and everyone that does such thing is just making things bad for him

[boreal grail]

not to mention when adam brought up the idea of releasing a beta, this same guy was here... questioning adam about it

like i think adam knows how he wants to handle his own project better than some random discord user

[grizzled scaffold]

Damn, should've invested in the "when" stock when Adam announced the beta

[topaz yew]

yeah... adam made a vote about the beta, its absolutely reasonable for people to ask when it is coming

we had a say in the if, might as well ask the when

[boreal grail]

and based on what adams said abt it, it seems like its something he genuinely wants to do regardless

[topaz yew]

yeah

i and many people have suggested it before as well; once its out i doubt people will be asking if its out

since people will get their mce fix and will have hands on the development

its adams project, but its adams public project

[deft sluice]

i want the beta to come out in 2030

ty

[boreal grail]

like im obviously not going to ask adam to release it Before its ready for public testing, thatd just be rude

[topaz yew]

yeah but he said its past that point as well

my bet is that he's just setting up the beta release

[boreal grail]

it comes out when it comes out, it would just be nice to have a date to look forward to

[deft sluice]

he could just turn around and say nah no more beta coming out

what ya gonna do about it

if we hear nothing in the next 2 months it is probably not coming out any time soon

[rich canyon]

and talking about these things are kinda why this channel exists...

[boreal grail]

i feel like implying that adam wont be able to get it out for months is way more insulting than just asking when a planned beta is coming

[deft sluice]

I mean look at hytale beta coming soon

[topaz yew]

sure but thats a dick move tbh

[deft sluice]

why would it be insulting it takes time

no matter what circle j we do in here the mce2 is going to be amazing either way

[boreal grail]

adam has said its in a good enough state for a beta, he probably just has a few rougher edges to sand out before it goes live

[topaz yew]

its not going to be amazing if its never released tbh
which is why i think a beta is a good idea

[modern sonnet]

[viral swan]

when did i ever say i wanted a beta to not happen

[deft sluice]

cmon u r lying to yourself, we have good raport with mce it was good and had awesome gameplay and from what we have seen soo far it looks good too

[topaz yew]

lmao

[rich canyon]

lol

[viral swan]

oh true i did forget about that

[boreal grail]

right here

[viral swan]

LMAO

[wide jacinth]

Lmao

[deft sluice]

u r just a hater

[viral swan]

after Adam explained his reasoning though

[deft sluice]

u make a modpack then lmfao

[topaz yew]

sure thing

[topaz yew]

we back to 7th grade nice

[boreal grail]

idk man ur out here dunking on people for being excited for a fun project, that seems more like hater behavior to me

[topaz yew]

i think it will be good, but it wont be a good modpack if no one can play it ever lol

[deft sluice]

yeah me being positive about it and saying is gonna be awesome it just takes time means I am a hater xD bunch of trolls lol

[topaz yew]

its like winds of winter

it'll probably be a good book, if it is released

nothing can be good, or bad, if it doesnt exist

[viral swan]

yo wheres the crab dude when you need him

this is gettin outta hand

[boreal grail]

positive? didnt you just say adam should turn around and not release a beta bc people got too excited

[viral swan]

someone get the crab

[deft sluice]

that is not what I said

[rich canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/ferris-clap-mp4-3d-cheer-gif-26403801

[deft sluice]

I said it should come out whenever and it can come out whenever and it is going to be good either way

[boreal grail]

bro

[viral swan]

?

[deft sluice]

yeah because life happens???

[viral swan]

Reread what i said after i said that

[topaz yew]

shit's funny af

[viral swan]

adam explained why he wanted to release the beta, and i took back what i said lol

[boreal grail]

what does that even mean

[topaz yew]

doesnt make it less funny tho

[deft sluice]

just ignore them they are clowns man xD

[rich canyon]

I'm doing a 3rd playthrough of Eternal now. seems like a good way to curb the anticipation

[viral swan]

im glad i pique your humour

[boreal grail]

you walked in here and started stirring the pot, idk why you didnt expect soup

alexandra i mean

[deft sluice]

I came in to see if you have a point but u don't. Also u r just trying to keep spamming to see if someone will reply with a date which they won't xD

We should be happy we receive updates at all tbh.

[boreal grail]

none of what youve said sounds like "seeing if i had a point" but sure lmao

[topaz yew]

side note i hope mce2 will have buildings that are not full of evil things

and are not villages

[boreal grail]

oh yeah, like the monastery from other packs? i forget which mod its from

[topaz yew]

no clue on what that is but would feel nice to have a place to chill with other "sentient" creatures that isnt just a vanilla village

[boreal grail]

the monastery is like a village but its in one big building, pretty neat

[topaz yew]

that seems fine

oh yeah i've built in it in atm8

[boreal grail]

but stuff aside from that would be cool too 👀

[topaz yew]

wont there be NPCs in mce2?

or am i trippin

[boreal grail]

im not remembering that but maybe i just forgot? it seems like smth that would fit in the pack

[topaz yew]

here

not trippin

imagine having an actual big building full of things for you to do and just people walkign around

not the 5-ish blocks tall, stale vanilla villages

a place a lot cooler for you to build, and a lot more vivid than just killing all the mobs in a dungeon and taking it over

[boreal grail]

not to mention other ways to remix an otherwise normal village, like an underground settlement

thatd probably be hell to make work with worldgen tho lmao

[topaz yew]

underground would be sick

a castle/medieval city also

i'd like something steampunky even though its not my particular vibe, dont know how much it'd fit the pack tho

[boreal grail]

but hey, if it aint there already, thats what player builds are for

im rlly looking forward to having access to the different create blocks, not even just for steampunk aesthetics but stuff like crimsite/azurite/veridium

[bold forge]

bad news

those stones not in 1.16 create

not like we couldn't do some magic to backport them tho

[topaz yew]

i think they look bad personally so im chill lmao

[topaz yew]

yeah
it'd just be super nice to build around a "'"human""" setlement that actually looks nice

and grandiose

because at some point your base just overshadows the villages so so much

[boreal grail]

true!!! theres some seriously great dungeon structures out there already, so its certainly possible

[topaz yew]

yeah

and like, if its a big castle for example

you can match the vibe and expand upon it, not just eat the entire village away

and you'll wont just overshadow a big castle following the natural path of mce

[boreal grail]

right!!

[topaz yew]

emper
is there a way to directly suggest that to adam?

[bold forge]

@adam

[topaz yew]

will goat come out of the fog of war to ?ping me

if I @ adam

[bold forge]

goat won't

but adam might

[topaz yew]

eh its a genuine sugestion, might as well try

[topaz yew]

@flint egret

[fiery jackal]

I wouldn't ping Adam unless it's for a very good reason

?unmute @fiery jackal

[still lagoon]

Successfully unmuted persius12

[wide jacinth]

how are you able to unmute yourself if you are muted?

[bold forge]

moderation powers

[dull maple]

Its nice to Show interest in the modpack but harrasing Adam via DM is unnecessary

[fiery jackal]

im special. Im immune to mutes because ive been muted 250+ times.

Also if anyone needs to be able to unmute themselves. It would be me

[compact spruce]

You think people actually read FAQs? The twilight forest discord has a clear answer regarding the final castle/boss in their FAQ and they get at least 2-3 people asking about it daily

The tinkers discord has a link to their 1.19/1.20 update status and a rule to not ask about it. They still get more than enough people who ask about it that they ended up making a bot response that triggers on people saying "1.19" or "1.20" without the respective "update aware" roles. They even clearly state that taking those roles and then still asking is a bannable offense and y'know what? People still do it regularly

The people who are impatient for updates are often also too impatient to actually read rules and FAQs

[dreamy plover]

minceraft👍

[topaz yew]

what is it about the last boss btw?

im not in there kek

[vast ibex]

when the crab is moist (in a eternal loop)

[silent imp]

🦀

[teal pebble]

http://benimatic.com/tfwiki/index.php/Final_Castle

[topaz yew]

yeah i went to look into it, excellent example of what i said earlier, doesnt matter if they do the best fight ever if it doesnt get released

sometimes having an existing good battle is better than having a non existing perfect battle

[midnight rose]

What happened to daily sneak peaks :(

[bold forge]

they became less daily

[digital yacht]

ragnamod actually used the open ended bit that Twilight left there and added their own special bosses that drop rare loot for progression

was an interesting use of it

[grizzled scaffold]

Sometimes they're smaller ones Adam posts in this channel

[cobalt monolith]

Adam should post more on Reddit (his last mce post was 9 months ago) as you more often get better feedback there without ppl constantly asking "when"

[sterile quarry]

there should be an ivan message for delaying the beta whenever people ask like the mce two one

[vast ibex]

peak suggestion ^

[pale bolt]

Does this mce2 will be released in beta soon or??

[spare narwhal]

I understand people asking is annoying but not giving the slightest indication of a release date now that he announced that it’s ready for beta release is getting even more annoying, a lot of us are checking multiple times a week and just giving something like « in a week » or « in a month » wouldn’t hurt anybody and would avoid wasting our time

[vast ibex]

😐

[flint egret]

lmao there is one rule for this chat, frankly i find you not respecting that rule quite annoying, its really not my problem that you check multiple times a week

[rose yoke]

Hes not a professional game dev with a deadline over his head, you guys gotta chill with the demands lmao

you could argue that everytime hes gotta come in and tell people its not ready yet or deal with the constant prodding is wasting his time, but on a way larger scale

[compact spruce]

There are notification roles available in #📯-role-selection . Just take the first one and you won't have to check the server anymore if you don't want to. There's no need to be rude about it

[rose yoke]

anyway, appreciate you Adam! I'm excited but take your time to cook

[digital yacht]

I pop in the server multiple times a week for the memes

[silent imp]

I pop in to 🦀

[sterile quarry]

🦀 moment

[midnight rose]

I lOVE SNEAK PEAKS 😍

[lyric bronze]

new pink farm structure looks so cute! so excited to see it ingame whenever it's ready!

[rose yoke]

Wait are those gonna be around randomly? That would be sick for some early game power and food

[lyric bronze]

no idea, but it'd be neat!

[vast ibex]

priorities afterall

[steel glacier]

grow up and be patient please

[boreal grail]

man cmon i was just in here like yesterday saying that most of the people asking arent demanding info but are just excited, dont make me look like a jerk now 😑

[modern sonnet]

even though it gets hate for being in every a lot of packs etc, i hope create is in there because i love the mod

[heady inlet]

Yup, I hate create...I like tech...but not complicated old school tech xD

and yes, it was already announced it is in the pack...unless they removed

[vast ibex]

create very fun when the pack has stuff around it, create kinda average when it's just there because idk

[pliant igloo]

Probably not in 1.16, but there is a cross-compat mod for 1.20 that gives you PneumaticCraft-based engines that can be used to power Create structures.

[flint egret]

it is i think

[pliant igloo]

Yep, I found it. Unfortunately it does not go back to 1.16.
https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/compressedcreativity

[flint egret]

a similar mod does

im fairly certain

[wide jacinth]

are there going to be ways to prevent dragon nuking in mce2

[flint egret]

they don't generate within 1000 blocks of spawn

and you can use blastproof blocks

i still think they go through claimed chunks though

[wide jacinth]

ah ok thank you

[modern sonnet]

that sounds fun, never delved into pneumatic too much because i just get distracted or some other

[silver oriole]

🦀

[digital yacht]

it's interesting what goes through chunk claiming and what doesn't. In MCE1, building a wither and having it explode did not go through chunk claiming. But if it started to fly and shoot, it would slowly break through walls and stuff

[flint egret]

i think it just blocks the generic mob grief rule

[cobalt monolith]

Will you add that one book which combines all other guide books into one?

[bold forge]

we had that in MCE1, don't see why we wouldn't for 2, with how it is

[digital yacht]

Akashic tome I think

[placid wasp]

its like a advent calender everytime i open this discord

[rose bronze]

Did adam ever setup pateron?

[cobalt monolith]

Buy me a coffee yes

[vast ibex]

i think "buy me a coffee" should be called "buy me the average price of a coffee" after all, there is no confirmation that, the donated money is being used to buy coffee, and depending on the location, the price changes.

[sly spindle]

1000 by default but it's still adjustable right? My chat are dragon sniffers and always manage to stumble into them at the worst times

[flint egret]

yep adjustable

[sand lake]

Have there been any tech sneak peaks? I can’t remember

[silent imp]

there has been some

[dull maple]

#1143741672220536902 there are all mods that have been seen from the sneak peeks

[placid wasp]

IM REEEEEEAAAADDDDDYYYY 🍺🍺🍺🍺

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-going-back-to-sleep-sleep-now-gif-16986684

[clever sun]

if you messaged adam about the mce2 twitch/youtube thing I know he's on DND but never talked with him before so I assume just wait and he'll get back when he can? I know he is a very busy person so want to give him time and such but wondering if should take initiative? I also don't wish to upset the man or give wrong impression am just confused noodle here

[ionic bay]

it will be done when its done

[clever sun]

Ok understood I won’t poke about this again. Am excited like everyone for mce2 I just don’t talk much in here

[ornate swallow]

adam just doesn't respond super quickly to dms usually, so spamming prolly isn't gonna do anything besides being annoying

[clever sun]

Understandable helix

[silver oriole]

Howdy dark

[clever sun]

Heyo mudkip

[lyric bronze]

I swear the ppl who always go "when is it done? When will it be here" don't realize they sound like a kid on a car trip. IT WILL GET HERE WHEN IT GETS HERE. Not a second sooner or later.

[boreal grail]

eh, some people are sane abt it

apparently not all but ik im at least asking out of passive curiosity instead of demanding a date

[lyric bronze]

yeah; i'm talking about the people that are like. really demanding about it lol

[viral crag]

same people who complain about unfinished games when they have pushed the devs so hard to put it out early or not to delay it

[river heron]

https://tenor.com/view/crackhead-drug-thirsty-gif-8862390

Need that daily sneak peek 👀

[bold forge]

very suspicious gif name

[river heron]

It's the Dave Chapelle coke gif

[vast ibex]

my face when the constant pressure (that i contributed to) ends up screwing with the mental health of someone and it causes them to release a unfinished product that nobody likes (it's totally their issue and not mine): 😎

[undone forge]

🦀🦀🦀

[viral swan]

if only they read the faqs

[vast ibex]

🦀

[cobalt monolith]

there are two types of people:
"when"
and
"[huge rant that you shouldnt be the when person that gets 100 heart reactions]"

(satire)

[tawdry rapids]

kofi allows you to change the message

so its up to the owner

[vast ibex]

what

[vast ibex]

ah, i understand now

[placid wasp]

❤️

[boreal grail]

ah yes, the two genders

[cyan notch]

Is the beta out

[vast ibex]

no

(you have delayed it for another 24 hours, this is how it works)

if the beta comes out there obviously will be a announcement, although it would be funny if it just got released secretly without anyone knowing

[fiery jackal]

i also vote for that option

[sonic sail]

can it?

[silver oriole]

You exactly said what I've been thinking why do people ask is it out yet when obviously it would be announced

[vast ibex]

yep

[teal pebble]

ppl gotta get in early on the stealth launch that adam always does

[digital yacht]

Wdym, I've been playing mce2 for 4 years now

Stealth launched in 2019

[fiery jackal]

Don't say that... people will believe you

[silver oriole]

[short plinth]

what is the mod they are using for the clouds in the sneak peaks

they look so round

or is that custom content

[ornate swallow]

that's just the shader being used, which I believe is complementary reimagined

[digital yacht]

DMs turned off, let's do this thing