MCE2 Sneak Peek Discussion

[quartz zinc]

try apple-cinnamon tea

sounds like something from pam´s mod

}but its pretty good

[rose bronze]

You need a bucket of milk, you know it removes all effects

[dire bolt]

can approve it cures nausea form vodka quite well

[lyric cypress]

its ok, while hes sick with covid ive decided to take over development

ill be adding optifine and porting orespawn to 1.16.5

[craggy socket]

sorry, I already replaced all the enemy faces with randomly selected images of nicolas cage's face

next on my list: change all signs to show the way to sesame street

[cobalt monolith]

Are you going to add a tribute from mce to mce2? Or something like "X:XX XXXX marks the end of MCE. Farewell! " in one of the quests

[flint egret]

I'm not planning on killing MCE1. I think I'll always support it in some capacity, even if it's not frequent. I dislike when people completely abandon their old projects for new ones.

[vast ibex]

for me i think the only "good" case of abandoning old projects for new ones is when the new one is a complete direct upgrade with no reason to downgrade, such as a complete perfect overhaul of the original project (which is rare in most cases)

[midnight rose]

Just finished developing mce2, but I’m not gonna release it because I don’t feel like it 😪😴

[atomic lance]

MCE1 is still one of the better modpacks created in minecrafts history, even if MCE2 ends up being "better" in any way

[rose bronze]

Yeah, it's up there with sf4, rlcraft, ddss, the only other pack that's as anticipated as mce2 rn is sf5 and hopefully darksoto and Adam talk behind closed doors so they don't release their packs at the same time splitting people up

[cunning marsh]

sf is skyfactory?

[ornate swallow]

rlcraft 💀

[ornate swallow]

yeah I would assume so

[digital yacht]

tried it, disliked it, returned to MCE

Always return to MCE

[atomic lance]

RLCRAFT @rose bronze

good one

good joke

more like sf4, infinity evolved, blightfall, nomifactory, e2e, dawncraft and like the create modpacks but idk if that counts considering its mostly just around one mod

[ornate swallow]

dawncraft 💀 💀 💀

[hidden bear]

Taking the final fantasy route🤔

[cunning marsh]

the mod where you could craft your own custom weapons was pretty nuts in RL craft

the pack had some really interesting mods in there

[flint egret]

Yeah let's not be unnecessarily rude about people's personal preferences

[brave hound]

Lycanite Mobs? Where you'd get creature parts and they'd do wacky effects

[cunning marsh]

i think it might be that one yea

im not sure

i believe it had tiers and stuff aswell?

[brave hound]

Yea, I believe that's the ticket

[tiny field]

Dunno if im the only one, but i love the SHOP from MCE1 makes the game really fun that i can get coins for all the overflow of loot. Will there be the same shop system in MCE2?

[flint egret]

Yes!

[rose bronze]

Hopefully it's better and less cheese able

[timid pier]

cheese 🤤

[vast ibex]

that cant exist, i need to have a early game coin farm that produces 4k per second with only 2 sticks and 6 cobblestone

[craggy socket]

Shh... discovering that cheese was some of the best fun back in the day

[rose bronze]

Maybe have a cheese shop in the easy/not hard version, but in the hard version a non cheeseable shop if any

[brazen mortar]

What’s left on the to do list before the community can get their hands on a beta version of MCE2? This is probably the most anticipated release for any mod pack in the history of Minecraft

[fiery jackal]

There's no scheduled beta release at this time. I do know there are some nasty bugs that need to be ironed out before a closed beta happens

[digital yacht]

Making 2 full versions of the shop sounds like a ton of effort

[flint egret]

One version of the shop and there are stronger items unlocked by questing

[prisma atlas]

Hey Adam, just curious on what you’re working on currently with MCE2 🙂

[heady inlet]

McE2

[digital yacht]

large if tru

[silent imp]

Considering he has covid I think he is working on tea and sleeping

[cunning marsh]

Emc²

[iron crescent]

Powered by ProjectE™

[vast ibex]

man i didnt knew that einstein is a developer in MCE2

that's crazy

[pastel atlas]

This

I see many here judging and making fun of those who play other modpacks, just because they don't like it, it doesn't mean that the modpack is bad.

[iron crescent]

After all good and bad are often subjective stuff

[pastel atlas]

No modpack is perfect, each developer had to work hard to create a unique experience, it seems that people forget that devs are also human and that they cannot deliver everything perfectly.

[lyric cypress]

No he's a robot that spoon feeds me good minecraft and he should be working 16 hour unpaid shifts with covid to deliver me my modpack

[flint egret]

I think low effort can be criticized but it's not fair to call something objectively bad and it's especially not nice to make fun of someone for liking something.

[unreal belfry]

crab

🦀

[atomic lance]

I apologize for making fun of Racer and rlcraft, my emotions got the better of me and it was dumb, i honestly completely agree

I think my dislike for RLCraft isnt mostly the way it works, but the negative view on modding and generalized view on modpacks for people who dont know modded minecraft is what i dislike. The whole "I SURVIVED 100 DAYS" youtube trope got dull quite quickly, with only a few actually making good content of it

it was dumb of me

Do you have any estimate/idea or any approximation on how many quests there will be in MCE2 compared to 1? Like not specific numbers but the overall FEEL of amount of completable content?

[cunning marsh]

Imagine apologizing for an opinion 💀💀💀

[flint egret]

this is really unnecessary

[flint egret]

fair point - i tend to agree

[flint egret]

way less because there just isn't enough time to make even 1/4 of the quests in mce1, but we are going to add to it over time

and plus they are way higher quality

[pastel atlas]

I understand your point, I myself get fed up with this type of content, but it would be the same if the same content about MC ETERNAL was spammed out there

As incredible as it may seem, there are still many players who don't know about other modpacks besides the ones these YouTubers promote and create series on.

So it ends up creating a repetitive cycle as it is something completely new for these players.

I just disagree with the fact that you can't talk about modpacks like RLCraft, BetterMC, that instantly people come and spit as if only their favorite modpack is good

I love playing mc eternal just like I like playing other modpacks, each one has its own differences, I may not like others besides mc eternal, but I try to learn to play other styles, as Adam said, we can criticize the lack of effort in the developers, we just can't make fun of people who like something different, not cool at all.

[rose yoke]

speaking of other modpacks, while waiting for MCE2, what would be a good pack like MCE but with create? Me and my friend want to start a new one

[fiery jackal]

that would be a question for offtopic. but Create Arcane isnt bad. Ive been doing ragnamod 6 to the sky and that has create

[rose yoke]

Oh sick, and my bad for posting in the wrong place

[arctic mirage]

Soup

[sterile quarry]

man that new soup looks good

i just hope it dose a decent amount of damage so its worth it in some situations

or make it last 30 seconds

[atomic lance]

My opinion is mine to have, but i made fun someone for having a different opinion, which is dumb af

[atomic lance]

Makes sense, considering the time constraint, and the higher the quality of them, the more accomplished one would feel when finishing them

[sterile quarry]

i bet eventualy we will have more than mce1 quests

[hidden bear]

Gaia soup 🍲

[naive panther]

Not sure if this is the place but what will we have on the magic side of MCE2, I know Ars Nouveau is in but I'm wondering if we'll have something else too. Ars is great but tends to fall off into the realm of utility in the late game of some mod packs as mob health inflates

[sterile quarry]

i think THINK adam said the mobhp would be more balanced than mce1

[naive panther]

In that case it may well be fine, played too many modpacks where magic damage dies off around the midgame

[digital yacht]

I usually end up using Ars for utility like ranged block breaking for spawner cheese and stuff rather than damage

[cinder rain]

welp we will hhave earth bending

[dire bolt]

Is avatar mod in the pack?

[lyric cypress]

supposedly we're getting electroblobs wizardry

though i gotta say its a massive shame ancient spellcraft is only on 1.12.2 and not 1.16

[flint egret]

We are not getting EB Wizardry

Unless it miraculously exists on 1.16 now

[sterile quarry]

magic

so eventualy mce2 will have eb

[flint egret]

I have been following the progression but I didn't think it was close

I have faith in the EBW team but I've seen too many modded porting projects fade into oblivion so I'll only consider it possible when it's actually on Curseforge.

and there's always the chance they won't do a 1.16 version

But I'll keep optimistic

[sterile quarry]

same and if there is no 1.16 maybe mce3 or mce4

if they ever happen

[cunning marsh]

we getting avatar soup hehe

[atomic lance]

mce3 in 10 years

[river heron]

My favorite part of mce1 was the quest book a lot of modpacks don't do it right

[long finch]

Is mana and artifice up to date?

[unreal belfry]

crab

🦀

[heady inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mukbang-gif-24469928

[craggy socket]

avatar soup looks cool but the vision changes (zooming in and out a bunch) look a little dizzying. hopefully that's just how it was recorded, not a function of the soup itself

[flint egret]

zooms in once when you eat and once when the effect ends

[compact spruce]

it is part of the soup, it's caused by the Synesthesia effect

(same effect as confit biyaldi)

[flint egret]

I think it's just more obvious here because the status effect is much shorter

[compact spruce]

and the smaller zoom-ins only happen when you use the geomancy power. again, part of how the effect works by default

[flint egret]

^

So for that it'll zoom as fast as you are wanting to summon rock projectiles

[craggy socket]

ahh, yeah, that's unfortunate 😄

[compact spruce]

i wonder if they have a client config option to disable that. might be worth suggesting if they don't

[flint egret]

there probably is

Or you could use it in third person!

it has brilliant animations when you summon and fire rocks so third person is definitely an option

you kick them like an earthbender

[craggy socket]

my wife has pretty easily triggered vertigo and we'll definitely do an mce2 server together after it releases so I'll check out the config settings at that point and tweak where I can. I'll probably do at least one solo playthrough in advance to note down all the things she might need adjusting.

i'm always impressed by the options you can find buried in configs 😄

[flint egret]

just checked - no way to disable the zoom

but let me show you how it looks in third person

i think its a viable way to use the effect

[compact spruce]

FoV effects slider was 1.18, right? If it's 1.16 then that would be good to use

Actually I wonder if there's a client side mod that disables FoV effects. Assuming it doesn't have any incompatibilities in the pack, that could be a viable option

[flint egret]

scratch that - it happens even in third person

[craggy socket]

whoops lol, well thank you for checking 🙂

[flint egret]

and there is no option to disable it :>

sorry!

[midnight rose]

Is more content being added into the current state of the pack or is it mostly bug fixing at this point?

[atomic lance]

Oh yeah, the synesthesia effect from confit byaldi was a big performance stealer, is that not an issue on 1.16?

[flint egret]

not that i can see

[quartz zinc]

there is no problem at all for those who plays with 100fov settings

like me

[atomic lance]

Quake pro all the way

[boreal grail]

yooo earthbending in minecraft lets go

[quartz zinc]

it´s already in mce1

[boreal grail]

wait what

[fiery jackal]

I say airbending is best

[fiery jackal]

earth talisman

[quartz zinc]

u just need the earth talisman irc

[flint egret]

yeah the earth talisman!

it got cooler in modern versions though

[boreal grail]

eh, i can still be hype for the improved version then XD

any other bendings that im not aware of in either mce?

[sand lake]

How is optimization looking compared to MCE1? MCE1 was constant lag for me so I'm hoping MCE2 runs better because minecraft has improved with optimization

[flint egret]

i really don't know. i have an exceptionally good PC so it's hard to gauge

it'll become more apparent in public testing

[digital yacht]

Mce1 ran on Mc 1.12.2 which was hard single threaded which caused weird performance issues even for stronger PCs (boot up taking 5-10 minutes on a 5800x).
As someone who plays big packs a lot, server performance is always better in versions after 1.15.1 since they added some light multi threading in that one.
Performance mods in 1.16 are significantly more mature too with things like lithium and sodium so there will probably be bigger uplifts

And lighting looks way better in 1.16+ imo with some of the mods redoing a portion of the lighting engine

[compact spruce]

1.15 had some major changes to lighting in vanilla

[digital yacht]

That too

There was a mod I was tracking called mcmt that fully multithreaded the game, worked wonders, had a toonnnn of incompatibilities though. I managed a 15 person server with everyone flying in random directions, with 0 added lag for about 2 weeks before it went haywire and wouldn't restart without removing the mod

That was a 300+ modded pack too

Wish mojang/Microsoft gave performance optimization its own patch like the cliffs and caves update style

[compact spruce]

i mean, they did in 1.15, and there were some more improvements in one of the 1.19 patches

they just don't really talk about it because they don't expect their younger target audience to understand what it means. like, performance and backend changes were the majority of 1.15. that was why the actual game content was so sparse there. but what did they advertise it as? the buzzy bees update.

[digital yacht]

I suppose I haven't really fully read the patch notes since 1.18

fair points though

sucks the adults have to read the patch notes 😦 I can't read

[cunning marsh]

what would you consider as exceptionally good?

[sand lake]

So then what version is MCE2?

[digital yacht]

1.16

[sand lake]

Sweet

[digital yacht]

#📗-faq message

[sand lake]

Ty 🙏

[rose bronze]

What kind of pc as your using 50% of your cpu in your last video 😅

[chrome sinew]

Mekanism powered pc

[snow beacon]

Early Spring?

[flint egret]

👀

[lyric cypress]

newest sneak peak > inventory is now locked by The Beneath

[novel willow]

This literally reminds me of my childhood. Playing the mc beta and getting lost and losing my base. Good times.

[vast ibex]

hell, i cant even use the world map now? gatekeeping going out of hand bruh 💀

[leaden coral]

any projected release dates?

[lyric cypress]

another baby seal has just been crushed

thanks to you

[leaden coral]

😎

just doing my job

[digital yacht]

#📗-faq message

[digital yacht]

gives me kinda sevTech through the Ages vibes. I personally like the idea of unlocking QoL features as it goes on

[lyric cypress]

yeah for the record i think the best thing ab mceternal is that eventually you can get to a point in the endgame that is essentially creative mode

like any restriction on QoL features or stuff like creative flight should be able to be overcome with a fairly difficult enough quest/crafting recipe/etc.

thats why i wasnt a fan of for example, removing flight from the betweenlands

like the angel ring is very not fun grind and having no way to bypass the flight restrictions in dimensions even if youre done with the entire pack and questline is kinda dumb imo

[sterile quarry]

||there is a way to bypass it||

[bold forge]

i mean sure, you can edit the config files :v but not on servers

[lyric cypress]

i mean theres the shitty mekanism jetpack

[sterile quarry]

and the angel ring is mostly for building and not for dominating dimenstions

[sterile quarry]

||no its creative flight but i wont spoil unless you ask||

[bold forge]

i'm not entirely opposed to adding the ability to permit creative flight for dimensions when you've functionally completed them

[lyric cypress]

what way besides editing the config file

[sterile quarry]

power armour

[bold forge]

but this is a more #🏮-mce-general conversation

[sterile quarry]

yes indeed

[torn plinth]

will agricraft be in mce2?

[flint egret]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

there u go

[uncut chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-simpson-fail-failure-gif-8569786

[steady wraith]

FAQ still says ideally 2023, there’s still hope 🥲

[pliant igloo]

I'd have more confidence in that deadline if Murphy hadn't infected Adam with COVID.

[vast ibex]

i had forgotten that covid still existed lol

i just forgot about it after the vaccine got developed and released

[midnight rose]

Its all a ruse covid is just little bugs in the skin that want to be set they keep itching

[lyric cypress]

honestly modding for a game like minecraft is one of the few instances im perfectly ok with release delays

the amount of horseshit and hoops you have to jump through to implement basic shit in java is kinda insane

[hidden bear]

Ha no

[sterile quarry]

can confirm as a person who tried modding it was a huge trouble for alot of things and fabric has no offical energy api and there was no documention for what i wanted to do for somthing simple as an energy cable

[atomic lance]

This is Great!

I love this kind of progression

[compact spruce]

late reply but
locks your version to the one-block-at-a-time april fool's snapshot until you reach a certain point

[hidden bear]

I have tendencies what can I say

[gray vigil]

I didn't realize there was a about me part. Lmao.

[flint egret]

do you like this as a concept? or hate it? :>

feedback needed

[digital yacht]

is it 50 coins to spin? or can you throw your garbage into it?

[flint egret]

50 coins per spin.

Definitely should make that more obvious

[digital yacht]

the name threw me for a loop is all

bring on the gambling

[craggy socket]

No issues with the trash can slot machine here as long as there's useful/worthwhile loot to be had from it

[digital yacht]

low roll, 500 gravel

[flint egret]

It's mostly meant to be money

You have a 50% chance to break even

And then from there a 30% chance to lose money

The remaining % for profit

The slot machine below it is high risk. Has a 0.001% chance to give one million coins lol.

[digital yacht]

scaling odds makes it more fun

slot machine block incoming

[pliant igloo]

At least it'll be something to use coins on if you run out of things you're interested in from the shop.

[digital yacht]

in before auto gaining coins and then using a task screen to auto gamble them

[pliant igloo]

I could see other themed slot machines. Like a food-themed one where you could win a couple of cookies, or a quarter stack of steaks, or even a few ham dinners. The icon could look like a picnic basket or a vending machine with a big ? over the window.

[flint egret]

I can probably do that!

[pastel atlas]

I was thinking

And if Adam gives us MCE2 for Christmas as a surprise, that would be amazing, I just imagined it here while playing a modpack

I know this won't happen

[undone forge]

@unreal belfry 🦀🦀

[cinder rain]

that is awsome now there is a reson for normal maps if that quest is later on / isn't just getting a map

[sterile quarry]

so over enough time its a 100% chance to always gain money

[sterile quarry]

i hope we get the atlas mod instead of the world map until we get some tech

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[buoyant zodiac]

I like that 😄

[lament viper]

SevTech had an Apple to unlock Journeymap early , but i dont like how a recource hog Journeymap is

[quick oasis]

My friend won't even play the pack now. Just spend the entire time gambling

[compact spruce]

Unlikely. Assuming the gains aren't greater than the losses, 50% break even with 30% loss leaves 20% gain, so you have a -10% net

[hidden bear]

I like those odds

[white willow]

90% of gambling addicts quit just before they hit it big

[digital yacht]

I live in Las Vegas, can confirm

[sterile quarry]

o right my brain didnt math right

[cinder laurel]

Looks like a fun thing to do with coins if there isn't anything you want in the store that you can afford, BUT there's something you do want that's just a few hundred coins away

[midnight rose]

From all the information in the video and Adam the expected profit per “spin” 12.90 coins and it could definitely be higher

If I did my math right

So the house loses in this case

[craggy socket]

if it's a statistical loss then it's a pass since you'll end up with less coins over the long run. if it's a statistical win then it's a 'use it on cooldown' mechanic if there's anything useful to spend coins on.

[flint egret]

the high risk slot has a cool down of 2h

The low risk one has a cool down of 10s

They both should have a statistical loss because you always do when you gamble at a slot machine

But there is that chance you'll win. Some people like that, some don't.

personally I'm not a fan of gambling but I get the appeal, it's exciting.

anyway the idea is you should lose / break even way more than you win

I might need to play with the loot tables a little and workshop it

could have a low low risk slot where you gamble 10 coins

[digital yacht]

Since generating coins isn't an issue, it's more of a fun side thing. If generating coins is like mce1

[compact spruce]

if it's not a statistical loss then is it really a slot machine? besides, it can be a statistical loss in coins while still being worthwhile on average for the chance of non-coin items

[lyric cypress]

the gambling thing is rly cool, i hope that makes it to the release

just seems funny, i dont think it'll make a huge gameplay impact

[sand lake]

I like it because it might be a nice way to pass the time while you may be waiting on a machine or furnace.

Will it be early game available, or unlocked?

[sterile quarry]

now that i would like if it has non coin items as rewards

[lyric cypress]

locked behind The Beneath 💀

[midnight rose]

From the video it has a chance of rubber ducky and black market crates and other things

[craggy socket]

adam said earlier it was "mostly meant to be money" in response to my question about loot and the percentage breakdowns afterwards were coin specific so my assumption was probably no items directly through the slot machine but maybe something tied to an achievement or quest

[quartz zinc]

for like gambling?

maybe 2hrs its a bit too much?

i really enjoyed opening 128 blaack market containers

[craggy socket]

yeah, I mostly like the way the loot distribution was done with the mc1 loot boxes. I wouldn't mind seeing them make a return in the shop. the slot machine could be an interesting mechanic with a low chance of getting one of the loot boxes for a fraction of its regular price 50 coins is comparatively cheap for a chance to get one if the box itself is 1500 coins

[sterile quarry]

50% Break Even
20% Profit
25% Loss
5% Items
1% Useful Item (Power Cable, Lowest Tier Battery, etc)
0.9% Rats Item (Rat Spawn Egg, Cheese)
0.1% Rare Useful Item (Mid Tier Battery, Machine Frames, etc)
1% Survival Item (Food, Torches, etc)
2% Trash (Rat Poo (Cocoa Beans Renamed))

thats my idea for a loot table with items

[flint egret]

" Rat 'nugget' " exists as an item

Good idea I'll add it to the trash can slot machine

[flint egret]

Well it's just not something I want someone doing very often. maybe I'll make a very high risk one that's a "lottery ticket" and you need to wait one day before knowing if you are a winner or not

The other slots you can sit there and use forever but some are time gated

[atomic lance]

What about making people sacrifice certain items for it? or add another one where you spend a certain valuable item

An item that cant be cheesed to, an item that has a clear progression lock?

[flint egret]

kinda funny

[compact spruce]

and how much does it cost to purchase?

[flint egret]

500

[compact spruce]

[craggy socket]

we need a shady villager trade version of this:
Guaranteed-Winner Lottery Ticket
Purchase as many tickets as you like!
Terms and Cons apply
Winners revealed after 5 hour!
One Winner Guaranteed!

after the time elapses, the tickets change to a piece of paper that says something like, "You lost, but the shady villager won! Play again soon!"

[flint egret]

thats pretty funny

when its time for you to check your lottery status

[wide jacinth]

You should make it cost 501 coins just so no one can break even

[lean helm]

add a slot machine called realistic and make it so you always lose

[flint egret]

thats basically all of them already

[pliant igloo]

Losing spins temporarily turn the surrounding ground into Cursed Earth.
Three TNTs drop a lit TNT block that doesn't break blocks.

[compact spruce]

[flint egret]

now with sound!

wait i just noticed how lucky i got in that video

0.17% drop

[cobalt monolith]

Hey Adam, I do like the idea, but if kids play the mod pack and start gambling like this, they are going to become more and more used to it until they try it in real life

It's literally the same thing with server crate keys because it teaches children how to gamble

[flint egret]

i do agree - its my main reservation from adding this to the modpack

[digital yacht]

I like it

[unreal belfry]

crab

🦀

[white willow]

it uses a fake currency that can't be purchased with real money in any way unlike server crate keys so i don't think it's comparable. also, this sounds very similar to the "violent video games make children violent" argument some people like to make. i see where you're coming from but i wanted to give my opinion on it

[craggy socket]

unfortunately these days gambling-based mechanics are ubiquitous in all sorts of games targeted at children. Loot boxes, a popular feature of mce1, are also an example of a gambling-based mechanic. Having the function in a game where it's not triggering someone's credit card or designed to push all the dopamine buttons at once is an opportunity for them to learn without causing harm so that hopefully they end up being better able to recognize and make good decisions when they encounter one.

[cobalt monolith]

Yeah but if they're lucky on mce2 gambling they might think they're lucky on real money gambling

[quartz zinc]

i think that if u let ur children do REAL gambling it could lead to some kind of problem, but that kind of stuff goes in how u as a parent rise ur children, as a parent u have to make sure that they dont get bad habits. Just a loot box that u can only buy with mce coins should not be a problem.

[quartz zinc]

as this guy says, its the same as saying "violent videogames make children violent"

all it is in the parenthood, not a lootbox in a game

[cinder rain]

2 slot machine gimic ideas if they are possible

no1 a slot maching that unlockes really late into the game that gets more expensive the more questes you do

no2 a slot machin that gives you a linier recombenation of all the money you have as shop items / coin items at random

also donno if eyther idea is even possible in the ftb quest book soo yah

[sly spindle]

This seems harmless to me as a parent personally, my kids play games with similar functions and have not bothered to find out what real gambling even is. If you could purchase MCE2 currency it would be a different issue.

[atomic lance]

Yeah if we were talking about real money, then it would be an issue, otherwise it doesnt really matter

[quartz zinc]

yeah, imagine each black market container for 2usd, or 1 extraterrestial cache for 4 usd

[river heron]

This is the most insane take I've ever seen 💀

[long finch]

just make a quest in the gambling section that you have to confirm before unlocking the rest, add some text with a bit of informational material even. its a currency generated within the pack so i dont really see the harm in it

almost every big mc server seems to have paid packs anyways for real money which is scummy, but this is a far cry from it imo.

[quartz zinc]

yeah, u can even get currency with creative or commands

even editing yml files

[lyric cypress]

100% i cant believe ppl are actually afraid that this would cause any damage

comparing it to kids buying crate keys with real money like its csgo cases is crazy

[cobalt monolith]

Or just add like some big red text under each quest saying that don't you gamble in real life

[cobalt monolith]

no I was just comparing it to server crate keys function

Also yes I do believe that if you play violent games enough you rage more/become more violent

Hate me all you want

[compact spruce]

frankly i'd be more worried about the mod blood magic than about virtual gambling for child safety concerns

[cobalt monolith]

yeah you should just remove everything thats hurtful for children

/s

eh the more I think about it the more stupid my claim gets that mce2 gambling would be bad

just add it lol

[craggy socket]

On playing violent video games: https://div46amplifier.com/2017/06/12/news-media-public-education-and-public-policy-committee/ "Correlational and longitudinal studies of youth suggest that violent video game exposure does not meaningfully predict youth physical aggression or violent crime (DeCamp, 2015; Przybylski & Mishkin, 2016; Surette & Maze, 2015; Ybarra et al., 2008). Some research has suggested that youth with more aggressive personalities may seek out violent games; however, violent games do not increase assaultive behavior among such youth"

[cobalt monolith]

because of personal experiences*

[wicked plover]

Children aside, I do think gambling in a game with a ton of interesting content to play that can last hundreds of hours would be boring, I'd just forget it quickly. However it doesn't hurt to add it in the game if you'd treat it as a little easter egg and not tie a whole bunch of other mechanics to it.

[lyric cypress]

that is equally insane

if i make a cow farm where they pass through lava to cook the meat am i more likely to commit genocide irl?? 💀

[ornate swallow]

lets shut this down now before someone says something else dumb 💀

[fiery jackal]

Agreed

[lucid forum]

As a professional gambler I agree

[uncut chasm]

Lovely weather we are having...

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-nodding-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20776317

[wary zodiac]

[flint egret]

I think both sides are valid. No need for mockery. Do violent video games make kids violent? Probably not. Should they play violent video games? Probably not.

Gambling with fictional currency doesn't have real life risks but the argument that it could make someone more comfortable with gambling as a concept is a valid argument.

I'm happy to have people voice their opinions on this and discuss it but it needs to be in a respectful way

It's more than likely going to get into MCE2 because I had fun making it and it's mostly just a silly activity to do while waiting for other things

But I do encourage people with different opinions to speak up because it's not something I'm that knowledgeable about.

[teal pebble]

i think an "opt-in" or disclaimer quest prerequisite could be a happy middle ground

[flint egret]

I could possibly add a quest that says 'this chapter contains gambling mechanics using fictional currency, if you are comfortable with this, press the button' and then that unlocks the slot machine and lottery ticket stuff.

[lilac reef]

I'm not even joking I had a dream where someone leaked mce2 files and sent a magnet link

But weirdly it was in 1.19.2

[flint egret]

you should get them to send me that link

[pastel atlas]

i don't think that have an influence at all

It's the way our parents react to decisions during our development during childhood.

They are our mirrors

[pastel atlas]

I disagree with you, well, for the time I played the modpack, you can get coins through quests or by trying hard to farm coins through machines, the way Adam conducts this experience makes us want to play more, I don't believe this is a problem (unless you need to insert real money to bet on the game)

The way you earn coins is through progress within the game, I don't understand where this would be a problem.

Even a child discovers that they can bet to have items in the game will take a little time, as with so much content that MCE2 can bring, this small detail could be just another extra time pass

You're making a storm out of a teapot

[cobalt monolith]

I myself dont have a problem with it, I'm just cautious of setting the brains neural activities of a still developing brain of a minor accepting gambling more and more which is a BAD IDEA

Its scary of how yall behaving more like redditors

someone says their opinion and they get fu***d upon

[cobalt monolith]

That sentence was exactly a storm out of a teapot situation

[knotty flame]

Hah, civil discussion is dead, and it's sad how reactionary people are

[pastel atlas]

I'm just putting my point of view just like you

[knotty flame]

Yet you pointed out guys making a storm out of a teapot, kinda undermining his pov.

[pastel atlas]

Firstly, a child shouldn't even have access to discord (or the internet)

[knotty flame]

Welcome to this day and age fella

[pastel atlas]

The modpack literally has monsters and blood, with elements of summoning spirits and other things using science, and you guys are worried about betting using virtual currencies

[cobalt monolith]

So for the people telling that my claim was ridiculous:
I like to think out of the box
So when I thought about the idea I also thought about the possible consequences
Remembering that TheDuperTrooper & other Minecraft duping youtubers dupe on servers mainly if they have crate keys with teach gambling to young children
So I tell it here so at least a disclaimer in the quest box can be made so some random kid doesn't possibly lose all their birthday money spending stuff on roblox because they saw that on minecraft they got lucky so they think that they must also be lucky with other games that use irl money to buy currency to buy crate keys etc.

so uh yeah i'm terribly sorry if I offended anyone
this isn't twitter

[sterile quarry]

i think its fair for yall to be nice and saying "your making a big deal out of nothing" can reallu upset people and undermines thier opinion and can cause a civil discussion to become not so civil

[cobalt monolith]

because you can kinda replicate gambling more than summoning demons, killing people etc. in real life??????

[sterile quarry]

and i interprit "You're making a storm out of a teapot" as that

i may be wrong as i havent heard it before and if so im sorry

[pastel atlas]

You in no way offended anyone, but it shouldn't be adam's responsibility to be careful what to put in the modpack, since we are talking about content control for children, they shouldn't even have access to discord, and the modpack has violent elements, Don't you think you're exaggerating?

[pastel atlas]

I mean that

sorry*

forget to not ping

[cobalt monolith]

you dont need discord to play the pack...?
if theres some reponsibility adam doesn't see, shouldn't we tell him about it...?

[sterile quarry]

minecraft is e10+ but modded may be considered an online interaction so its for parents to supervise that stuff atleast acording to the esrb

[pastel atlas]

It's just that from what you're saying, it seems like you don't know the modpack

[sterile quarry]

like its your job if your kid is joining mc servers that they dont goto a bad one and its also thier responsiblity to verify the mods they download are ok

[pastel atlas]

It is not Adam's responsibility to supervise what the children do in the modpack

[cobalt monolith]

I wonder what thedupertrooper would say

[flint egret]

again, both perspectives are valid and i appreciate everyone telling me their thoughts

[knotty flame]

Thank you Adam, truth

[sterile quarry]

but i think it is fair for people to consider the implications of having it there so having a quest to let them know is good

[cobalt monolith]

also adam, not about the gamling feature, but will the game have some sort of progression or end goal or is it pure kitchensink?

[pastel atlas]

I don't care if there is this betting function or not, I just believe they are creating an unnecessary discussion

[flint egret]

i think the main reservation i had is that this resembles real world gambling a little more compared to quest loot crates which are less familiar. slot machines and lottery tickers are much more akin to reality and real life gambling, thus i had hesitations because it could in theory make gambling seem more appealing to a young person, could.

[sterile quarry]

its not an unnecessary discussion imo

[pastel atlas]

In my point of view, it's a fun function to pass the time, and i don't believe it influences anything, as you are not spending real money to betting within the modpack, as I said before, you acquire coins for progressing in the game, I believe it is actually a good thing as the child learns to work hard to get what they want

[flint egret]

in fairness i asked for advice and discussion

[pastel atlas]

I would agree to remove it if Adam simply charged money to bet on the game(That's not the case)

But I don't believe it's your job to supervise what the kids do inside the modpack

[flint egret]

progression that has a kitchen sink feel, similar to mce1 but with some more progression elements.

@cobalt monolith do you think having it be opt in would be enough? ie: have a box you gotta tick and a content warning about gambling themes.

[flint egret]

i agree to a certain extent, its not my job to child-proof content but if i can be thoughtful about how i implement new stuff i think thats a good thing

[pastel atlas]

I couldn't agree more, but like I said, I don't believe that a function can harm a child, firstly they shouldn't even have access to this type of modpack, the majority of people who play here are teenagers or adults (that's what I see )

[cobalt monolith]

Yeah

and maybe joke text saying

please DO NOT try this in real life
otherwise you will lose all of your money 👍 😃

after all this is just hypothetical that someone under 13 would play this

[pastel atlas]

[flint egret]

i have gotten many messages over the years from parents who play mce1 with their young kids and families so putting in a little bit of effort to keep it family friendly-ish is worth it for me

[flint egret]

thats funny - i will do something like that

[brave hound]

No harm in being mindful about what you create, however, just in case. Doesn't even have to be children, some teens and adults do have a pretty bad gambling problems. I think that disclaimer box is a great idea. Leave it in for the people that want to mess around with it, and just convey what it'll actually entail

[flint egret]

100%

[cobalt monolith]

maybe add 3 check boxes so you actually have to click 3 times and maybe actually read the text?

[flint egret]

and plus like you said there are plenty of adults with gambling problems who might find it to be triggering because i did use real slot machine sfx and such

[flint egret]

i can do that

cant make someone read it but i can add three boxes

[pastel atlas]

Do you really think people read the terms and conditions? Even more so in games?

[cobalt monolith]

Well I never I know they sell my info anyways

[brave hound]

'Course not, you scroll all the way down and click the box lmao. Only this time the box says "please let me crank that coinbox"

[pastel atlas]

If we put in that way, maybe Adam could remove the violence from the modpack, some people might be sensitive to that, or how about removing the monsters too?

Oh, we should also remove magic from the game, we don't want kids wanting to mess with things we don't know about, right?

[brave hound]

This is a strange hill to die on

[pastel atlas]

Finally, let's remove technology too, maybe a child will try to create an atomic bomb at home, you never know

[cobalt monolith]

going by your logic removing kids also removes kids danger

why are you so mad

for having a thoughtful discussion

[pastel atlas]

I'm not mad, i'm just saying my point o view

If you put it that way, mce2 would no longer be what it was

If we are going to discuss protecting children's psychology, let's change the modpack and create a world without violence, technology, just little pigs and beautiful world

[brave hound]

Or you know, say "this part has gambling"

[pastel atlas]

In something that have violence, gambling is a tiny problem

It's like saying, oh adam please remove the spiders from the modpack? I have aracnophobia

[knotty flame]

Your really passionate about this discussion over something so small

[brave hound]

Boom, arachnophobia option, plenty of games have one

[pastel atlas]

I really don't care if it will have this function or not, what I disagree with is the way you are handling it as if it were something extremely harmful

[brave hound]

It's super easy to be compatible to different folk without sacrificing the art or the medium 🤷

[pastel atlas]

If we are going to put this rule for everything, remove almost everything from the modpack to avoid harming people's psychology

[knotty flame]

Bro your going crazy, even when Adam himself agreed with you and also put up some valid points. He'll, I agree with you that this isn't as huge as it is, but dude your not acting calm at all and you really do look mad asf replying to it all.

[pastel atlas]

Like I said, just expressing my point of view and explaining why I think so

They are literally asking to put a message not to bet in real life (That's the parents' job)

[knotty flame]

Then can we just agree to disagree, since that's the dance you have set up over here, and just move on with our day seeing as Adam has already taken some advice and has spoken?

[brave hound]

god where's @unreal belfry when you need him

[pastel atlas]

Anyway, I'm just answering the questions you guys made about what I said.

🦀

[flint egret]

thoughts?

[sterile quarry]

looks perfect

[flint egret]

final draft

unless anyone has anything they'd like to add

[sterile quarry]

looks good to go

[soft nova]

I know this probably gets asked all the time but is there any updates on MCE2 release, my friends and I have been dyin to play it

[rose bronze]

add the gamblers help hotline number kekw

[rose bronze]

everytime that question is asked, the date is pushed back by 1 hour. right now, were like 4000 days delayed because of questions like that.

[pastel atlas]

I have an idea, why not put that message when the modpack loads and you have to scroll down and click 3 times to agree?

Like the Eula that appears in some games

"This game have graphical violence, gambling, all of this is fictional and should not be repeated at home and etc.. and etc.."

[teal pebble]

i think the way he has it now should be ok bc it’s a small optional feature rather than a core mechanic of the whole mod pack

[wicked plover]

I've got the advice of staying away from Minecolonies in MCE as it was really buggy in 1.12.2. Have you thought about including the mod in MCE2 as well?

[cunning marsh]

how even haha

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀 🎰

[brave hound]

I second this. I know there's that list of confirmed mods but MineColonies is the entire reason I downloaded MCE in the first place

[digital yacht]

quality

[pastel atlas]

Nothing better than exploiting the villagers to do your job.

[atomic lance]

Minecolonies is a really cool mod, but it can easily tank performance

idk how 1.16 minecolonies is,

[pastel atlas]

I'm sure it's more optmized

1.16 versions are better than 1.12

[soft nova]

then how about you say it and pin it so people stop asking tf

[wary zodiac]

[compact spruce]

because it's in the FAQ

there is no ETA and there will not be one. there'll be an everyone ping when it releases, but chances are nothing until then

[brave hound]

It gets pushed back an additional year when people admit they didn't read the FAQ

[ornate swallow]

even though asking about mce2 dates is one of the most unoriginal question you'll find here, people never look in the faq 😔

[compact spruce]

good thing people would never admit that no matter how obviously true it is

[wary zodiac]

what FAQ

[digital yacht]

new discord stuff hides channels sometimes actually

[ashen lance]

was this supposed to be a 23' release date? im not up to date

looks good though!

[crude zodiac]

.

[sterile quarry]

?

[vast ibex]

i think he said "."

[grizzled scaffold]

I just had a dream about mce2 and I experienced a couple of bugs, should I report them here?

[rose bronze]

nah youll want #no-access

[grizzled scaffold]

Alright

[pastel atlas]

I believe that asking about the modpack is not a problem, it is a good thing because every day someone appears asking when it will be released as it shows that the work of the devs is recognized.

You guys managed to create a unique experience, so it is normal for this to happen, many new users they will still show up and won't read the FAQ

[rose bronze]

give em the ban hammer for asking before reading or using the search button

[brave hound]

Yea, it's harmless enough. People are invested and just want to know when the New Thing™️ is coming. I totally agree tho, it should be a permaban and life in prison

[sand lake]

Permanent ban and life in RLCraft

[grizzled scaffold]

...but if you beat RLCraft you get to play mce2, right?

[rose bronze]

no, youve got to 100% GTNH to get the dl link for mce2

[brave hound]

Maybe you can have little a mce2 as a treat

[cunning marsh]

Just gotta survive till you get a lifesteal sword with vampirism

Ez

[atomic lance]

We all have a little amogus in us, its ok

[boreal grail]

pretty sure thats just getting airdropped into the woods

[brave hound]

Not too dissimilar really

[lyric cypress]

not to seem pessimistic but id actually more so expect an early 2024 release

just bc adams a perfectionist and java is awful

[quartz zinc]

i rly expect middle 2024

[uncut chasm]

How Adam be.

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-maverick-sundown-fire-when-ready-tom-cruise-angry-gif-16762088

[sterile quarry]

frfr il do this rn

[brave hound]

Alright Adam, if this guy 100%s it then ||continue to take as much time as you need until you feel comfortable enough to|| release it

[midnight rose]

Here is the download link

[sterile quarry]

no thaumcraft 7 in mce2

[flint egret]

yeah that was always expected

[vast ibex]

boo-womp

[sterile quarry]

i hope thaumcraft comes out before mce3 gets version set

[vast ibex]

mce3 might launch on 1.20 while new mod updates are on 1.60

[sterile quarry]

i bet there wont be any mce3 until atleast 3 or 4 years

because there will be updates galore

[rose bronze]

ive got a strong feeling that mce 3 will be out closer to mce 2 than mce 2 will be to mce1

[sterile quarry]

and im ngl but mce has spoiled me with such quality everything else feels bland because it apealed to me so much as the best pack for me

i hope adam can make it super good

[rose bronze]

draconic evolution in mce 2 maybe, hopefully :p

[fiery jackal]

nope never

[sterile quarry]

draconic is the ceiling and makes everything else bad

only good in true progression packs at the end right before arvatia

[rose bronze]

could hard core gate it somehow. draconic evo was my favorited mod pre 1.12

[fiery jackal]

its already been confirmed serveral times, draconic will never be in mce

[pliant igloo]

I thought that was Avaritia.

[sterile quarry]

there is plenty better mods that have more balanced gear that has a better curve to get and still good

[sterile quarry]

they both the same tbh

just arvartia has 1 tier vs 3 (i think)

[pliant igloo]

There's more cross mod support for Avaritia than for DE.

[sterile quarry]

dosnt really maatter when it just shoves one of every ingot in a giant crafting table

and alot of that is from modpack makers iirc

[vast ibex]

we gotta keep atleast a few mobs from being able to one shot us at endgame, this is why avaritia and DE cant go into mce.

[sterile quarry]

you mean a few mobs that still oneshot us

[vast ibex]

yeah

[sterile quarry]

maybe endgame have 3 shots just so we dont insta die

[vast ibex]

atleast 3 shots instead of invincibility that DE and avaritia can provide

[sterile quarry]

yes

[vast ibex]

atleast keep some difficulty when going out to get endgame materials (assuming endgame stuff will be obviously in a endgame location)

[sterile quarry]

@unreal belfry we need some crabs up in here

[unreal belfry]

Crab

[sterile quarry]

yayy

[unreal belfry]

🦀

[sterile quarry]

this is a daily thing now

[unreal belfry]

Crab!

🦀

[vast ibex]

i think that MCE2 would be a way better modpack if it was renamed into "Crab"

[sand lake]

Replace rats mod with a bunch of crabs. They do AOE damage from their loud click of their claws

[royal token]

add crabs with rats

[unreal belfry]

crab....

🦀

[long finch]

Have not kept up with modded mc, is mana and artifice current?

[ashen lance]

Im all for it, just incase i missed something as im out of date is all! haha

[vast ibex]

crab upgrade for rats, crafting recipe requires crab craws and a nether star (or a random endgame grindy item), transforms rats into crabs that have super high defense (sturdy little dudes), can survive underwater, and can deal damage with their claws

small downside, cant feed them with cheese anymore

[white willow]

as in updated to the latest version? if so, yes

[wicked plover]

Shame draconic evolution won't be in mce2. I know most of its content is overpowered, but I really loved the wireless energy crystals that did not require any wires or ports to function, making everything much cleaner

[stark loom]

You can add it to your own version of the modpack when it’s out, surely. Won’t have integrated recipes tho

[flint egret]

Yeah you can add whatever you want really.

Just have a vague idea of what you are doing and don't expect support when/if things break

[cunning marsh]

whats this talk about draconic evolution, why wont it be in MCE

?

[craggy socket]

generally considered far too broken. it has a... reputation

[bold forge]

DE's primary content is generally much more powerful than what any mod provides

it is intentionally designed that way, and isn't the most fitting with MCE for that reason

sure, we could reduce that power level with its configuration, but that will disappoint people quite severely

[cunning marsh]

ah oke

yea ive never seen the mod tbh

atleast not used it

[bold forge]

it's definitely a mod with a reputation for its high power level, and that power level doesn't fit too well with MCE or MCE2's own

[torn plinth]

its definitely cool as hell, just STRONG

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-nft-strong-buff-pudgy-gif-26256525

[rose bronze]

In mce 3?

[sterile quarry]

#🏮-mce-general message
#1143742498808799232 message

[compact spruce]

draconic is not, never has been, and never will be in mce

[sterile quarry]

if it ever happens the world will end /s

[fiery jackal]

if it happens, i will say something nice to goat

[heady inlet]

@unreal belfry you are not the hero we deserved, but the one we need

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[sand lake]

Am I alone in thinking draconic evolution's design is a little wacky?
Kinda gives off trove vibes

[ornate swallow]

aesthetically it certainly stands out compared to other mods

[brave hound]

It does look super trove-y actually, wow

The armors anyway

[sand lake]

I respect the ability to stray into its own realm though. I like the uniqueness of draconic evolution for sure.
I wonder if it was intended to be so powerful it couldn't be sized up with, or if it hoped for mods such as mekanism to be born and create high-power end-game possibilities..

[long finch]

Oh nice, appreciate your time

i loved ars magica so mana and artifice spellcrafting is one of my favorites

[digital yacht]

Playing ragnamod6 and it's so far end game I doubt I'll ever get it lol definitely out of place though because no mobs can even really beat you with the armor you get from other mods

[pliant igloo]

Some of the more advanced DE stuff you would need a NC fusion reactor to provide enough power for.

[boreal grail]

im proud to be here to witness the 2 Am Cube™️

totally worth screwing over my sleep schedule, i say as if it were at all intentional

[wicked plover]

Yeah DE armor is just unfair, even though it compresses almost every resistance and utility into a single armor so you have less equipment to deal with, it's just way too overpowered for the cost

[silent imp]

is that sneak peak saying mce2 is coming soon ????!!

[iron crescent]

s∞n

[digital yacht]

I think it's saying small

[silent imp]

oh yeah that could be it too

you know what I bet adam is going to gift us MC2 for christmas ||(thats actually probably impossible since he hasnt started beta testing yet)||

[compact spruce]

Small king slime

[vast ibex]

gotta play on hard difficulty to get royal gel and make all slime mobs passive

[sterile quarry]

chirstmas beta

maybe for top 50 active mebers on the level leader board

active meaning they have send a message in the past month

[ornate swallow]

nice cope considering you just barely scrape past at 50th

don't believe that anything of the sort is happening any time soon though so better refill that copium supply for a while longer

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[sterile quarry]

tbf i said active because some people are deleted users / gone

[midnight rose]

What about closed beta of just me you can just send me the files now if you want 🙄

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/ahh-damn-alright-gif-25731846

[brave hound]

Hide the beta files in a random high-level dungeon in MCE

[fiery jackal]

they are hidden at goats house. So you need to go find them

[sand lake]

Wouldn't be surprised if the outside of goats house was as protected as a Google data center

[bold forge]

something like that is actually a very funny idea

[white willow]

mce2 should be released without telling anyone to see how long it takes for someone to notice

[vast ibex]

the MCE2 beta files give me the urge to make a whitebeard gif with the caption "The MCE2 beta files is real"

[quartz zinc]

i mean, probably the repo exist in the internet

u just have to hack ur way to it

[vast ibex]

this is how we will start the new grand pirate hacker era

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-boat-setting-sail-ship-gif-21100356

[wide jacinth]

I personally think the beta should be released to anyone who owns a bearded dragon

[compact spruce]

so true

[ornate swallow]

I'll give it to anyone who owns a regular dragon

[wary zodiac]

Komodo dragon

[vast ibex]

a bearded dragon the animal, or a dragon with beard?

[flint egret]

Indeed it does

[heady inlet]

do I hear a challenge? Maybe my cyber security major will come in clutch at last

[quartz zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/whitebeard-one-piece-aba-gif-25861590

[heady inlet]

McE2 is actualy the journey to finding the files

[heady inlet]

what about anyone who has a beard?

[wide jacinth]

seems close enough to me

[heady inlet]

[vast ibex]

he left everything he owns of mce2 in one repo, now we just gotta find it.

[rose bronze]

It's ez, it's on his git-hub

[cunning marsh]

How do you know he is not beta testing

[quartz zinc]

thats like saying, "its in the sea"

[lyric cypress]

Legend says if you knock on his door he'll spray you with a fire extinguisher

he won't allow himself to get pinged IRL either

[ornate swallow]

he hits you with his real life ban hammer

[fiery jackal]

No he uses fire extinguisher on his friends. Every else gets the mega bonk

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-mega-bonk-bonk-dog-bonkers-bonk-anime-gif-24565990

[naive panther]

The above is the punishment for using the doorbell, the ping of the home

[vast ibex]

you gotta hold shift while using the doorbell to turn off the pinging so that you can avoid PUNISHMENT

[novel willow]

I am going to steal that joke. Thank you very much

[fiery jackal]

You all do not know goat how I know him. The only way to appease him is with coffee or beer

[brave hound]

Finally, His Weakness

[heady inlet]

aaah beer, my first language

[sand lake]

Back again to see if forestry is in MCE2, I need my bees, my trees, and my butterflies… don’t break my heart

[pliant igloo]

Eeeh, Forestry without Gendustry is not a fun time.

[heady inlet]

Forestry with Gendustry is fun?

[sand lake]

I trust in Adam. Never eat the food before the chef has finished cooking. 🙏

[grizzled scaffold]

never eat the chef either, for that matter. (speaking from experience)

[pliant igloo]

A lot more fun than without Gendustry.

[midnight rose]

I always sneak a taste

[digital yacht]

Have we confirmed whether ae2 or refined storage/both of them are in the pack?

[ornate swallow]

you can look through #1143760162478370836 to see what people were able to confirm from the sneak peeks but yeah its ae2 only from what people have seen

[cinder rain]

pplease tell me that last thing is a boss that is gonna be early game

cos it seems like alot of fun

[digital yacht]

ty. I prefer AE2 over the other options so I just wanted to see what was in there

I will check that channel out

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[digital yacht]

Crab

[timid pier]

i think cheese decoration blocks would be cool

🤤

[strong mason]

Ugh. Adam is 100% gonna add those to my todo list isn't he

[teal pebble]

i lived in a cheese cave in mce 1 so i would love that

[craggy socket]

aggressively buries face in the cookie dough

[boreal grail]

if you track down the mce2 repo and play it before it releases you get salmonella

[craggy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/its-worth-it-jenna-maroney-30rock-worth-it-worthwhile-gif-19276243

[royal token]

THE MCE2 BETA
THE MCE2 BETA IS REAAAAAL

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-gif-26230616

[boreal grail]

yeah but only adam and the other devs know where it is lmao. unless ur referring to something else and i missed a memo

[compact spruce]

i mean, it's not that hard to guess where it is, but it's private so y'all just can't see it

[wary zodiac]

hmm

[paper vessel]

Proceeds to study hacking overnight

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[wicked plover]

While gendustry feels like cheating, vanilla forestry feels unbearable without it and I had a lot more fun once I started playing gendustry. Even after the simplifications gendustry does, the sheer amount of bees and traits makes it not boring.

[prisma atlas]

I saw someone post about a beta? Is it available?

[fiery jackal]

No

We haven't even gotten to the closed beta yet

[fossil mantle]

Was the most recent ETA the one from months ago that said in an ideal world it would be this year? Just learned about the project yesterday.

[chrome sinew]

#📗-faq message

That’s the most recent thing I believe

[cunning marsh]

survived worse so thats a small price to pay 😛

[cunning marsh]

newsflash, we dont live in an ideal world

[fossil mantle]

Yeah I know, would never expect any estimate that includes "in an ideal world" to be accurate

[fiery jackal]

The closed beta will most likely be server staff and anyone upper management headhunts. But also I'm not a definitive one way or other as that comes down to Adam. That is more just my thoughts

[slender yew]

closed beta is only going to be me

and just me

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[heady inlet]

Crab?

[paper vessel]

Crab!

[heady inlet]

Is Crab trying to slowly start a crab revolution against the rats?

[unreal belfry]

Crab.....

🦀

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[vast ibex]

crat

[pliant igloo]

Semi-random thought I just had: Will PneumaticCraft be in MCE2, and if so could the Amadron system be used to buy and sell with money instead of emeralds?

[flint egret]

That's a really interesting idea

[heady inlet]

I never used PneumaticCraft...what is the Amadron System?

[flint egret]

drone shopping

Very cool system

[pliant igloo]

The Amadron system is where you create a tablet to summon drones to pick up and/or drop off items and fluids in a storage that you set.

[heady inlet]

ooooh so Amadrone is basically short for Amazon drone?

[pliant igloo]

Yep

[flint egret]

You can order stuff and have it dropped off at a chest of your choosing

[heady inlet]

dope

[quartz zinc]

thaat would be relly cool

[craggy socket]

I'll take two large pepperoni, pineapple, and mushroom pizzas. you can drop them off at the chest next to my front door

[rose bronze]

I'll take a USB with mce 2 on it drooped in through the mail slot 🤣

[elder portal]

Oi its christmas maybe give us MCE2 very please

[brave hound]

Download MCE twice and call it a party

[deep frost]

Lord i wish 😮‍💨

[rose bronze]

ngl it kinda makes sense, last i heard it was still a '23 planned release, so either christmas morning, or at 23:59:59 on 12/31/23

which would suck because i go back to work on the 1st after being off this whole next week

[flint egret]

It's not coming out on Christmas. Just to avoid any potential disappointment.

i haven't been able to do much work in weeks, unfortunately.

[pastel atlas]

Would be awessome if got released with some christmas event, or you guys can do a christmas event in mce1

first one to catch santa gets mce2

[brave hound]

Us lot could organize a community event, give Adam and the other devs a break but still have some festive thingy

[silent imp]

What about the Christmas after the next then ?

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/ducktakes-scrooge-mcduck-bah-humbug-scrooge-ducktales2017-gif-19225255

[inland ore]

Hi, when is MCE2 coming out? :Clueless:

Actually

When I have busy months at work

I'll just spam ask when is it coming out

To delay it till I'm more free

5Head

[sinful laurel]

That is not a good idea.

[slender yew]

download mce
rename it to mce2 the boom you will have it

[cunning marsh]

dont forget to add 50 mods

[noble kiln]

Will GTA 6 come out before mce 2?

[heady inlet]

not on pc

[prisma atlas]

Merry Christmas my friends, I love you all ❤️

[rose bronze]

Yo what is that snow covered fence in #🎨mce2-dev-sneak-peek

I aint ever seen that before

[digital yacht]

Snow or fences?

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[rose bronze]

Snow covered fence

[uncut chasm]

Goat??? I thought this was the one place you'd never go to. Looks like persius just lost his only safe place.

[white willow]

guys i got early access to MCE2!!!! (real not clickbait)

[flint egret]

lol

it's real - can confirm

[craggy socket]

seems legit.

[rose bronze]

Is it fun?

[silent imp]

arcanepigeon really cheaped out on the design huh

[strong mason]

just ask adam to pay me 5x my normal rate and i will put in 10% more effort into that design

sneak peek of the real logo

[silent imp]

incredible

[strong mason]

new cool discord server banner 🙂 wonder who made that?

[silent imp]

I did. since im the first to take credit it has to be true

[strong mason]

damn, beat me to the punch

damn, i totally forgot to sneak a pigeon into that piece didn't i

[white willow]

yes

[quartz zinc]

is that real?

[white willow]

🙃

[quartz zinc]

[long finch]

The children yearn for the rats

[strong mason]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-chucky-cheese-searching-looking-gif-14553122

[strong mason]

being alive costs money so i do require it when i draw stuffs

[ornate swallow]

just become a lich and live off the grid, then it costs zero dollars to be spooky

[strong mason]

but then how will i buy spooky stuff off amazon?

[rose bronze]

thats why you breed and grow your own spiders to be spooky with

acquire your own cadavers for the wild boars to strip to skeletons,

[sand lake]

Rat slaves. they farm, they cook, they build. They yearn for a master.

sorry for the @ my bad

[white willow]

For the first time in 2b2t MCE history, slave labour!

[grizzled scaffold]

Can we get the jesus donut in mce2

[compact spruce]

[fiery jackal]

Are you suggesting a shape that isnt a block!

how dare you

[viscid silo]

is there a release date of mce2?

[wide jacinth]

Every time someone asks it gets delayed 24 hours

Was 2027 last week

[uncut chasm]

Mce2 cyberpunk 2077 edition at this point

[rose bronze]

every time this question is asked, the release date is pushed back by 24 hours. this is not a joke, this is serious. thank you for increasing the dev time to make the pack better at launch

[viscid silo]

I just played for the first time mce1 so im all good haha

[boreal grail]

yall have leaked icons, but i raise you

[bold forge]

this image is very incomprehensible

but in a good way i think?

[fiery jackal]

im confuzled

[flint egret]

How did you get that?!?!)!

[boreal grail]

wouldnt you like to know, devverboy :P

[nocturne imp]

do we know what version it'll be, yet?

[brave hound]

1.16.5 #📗-faq message

[nocturne imp]

oh!!! thank you

[sly spindle]

Thats loopin louie! oh man i cant wait for release now

[digital yacht]

#📗-faq

oh lol

my discord didnt update til I sent that mb

[pale sage]

Me hearing the everytime it's asked when it gets delayed joke for the billionth time

No announcement on the delay so peeps are still expecting it before new years

[flint egret]

there is no delay announcement because there has never been anything to delay

there is no date, just estimates.

[pale sage]

That's fair but the vast majority of people saw q4 as the target and still see stuff saying it's the target

[white willow]

enough about MCE2. when is MCE3 being released? 🙃

[iron crescent]

Estimation update on 2024.1.1: Ideally release before 2025 comes

[pale sage]

Inb4 we hear a million times you just delayed it by x amount of time

[rose bronze]

sometime between now, and the heat death of the universe

[heady inlet]

McE3 before GTA 9?

[rose bronze]

mce3 before elderscrolls 7 more likely kekw

[silent imp]

forget mce3 what about mce4 ?

[fiery jackal]

?unmute @fiery jackal

[still lagoon]

Successfully unmuted persius12

[true coral]

Nah we are getting GTA VI before we get MCE2

[strong mason]

the MCE2 trailer will just be an hour long video of adam messing with mod files

with a bonus of a 2 hour video of goat screaming at russian

[fiery jackal]

if i aen't crying, hes not caring

[cinder rain]

did that guy actually get early accsess ?

[brave hound]

Adam has been trying to get him to share it with him, yea

[white willow]

yes 🙃

[uncut chasm]

Who got early access? And for what?

[tawdry rapids]

roll a random person to beta test

[fiery jackal]

hes trolling, the only person that has early access is adam

[chrome sinew]

Early access is the friends we made along the way

[sand lake]

I can’t wait to dedicate a 14900k box to a 4 player MCE2 server with 32 chunk server view distance

[lucid forum]

So if mce2 has tinkers I think it would be interesting if certain mobs gave more xp towards the tool level when killed than just the normal amount. I’m pretty sure this isn’t a thing already

[gray vigil]

thems some nice specs. im debating up chipping my server from a 5600G to a 5800X or 5800x3d if i can find one

the 5800x would double accessible cache

[lyric cypress]

im more excited for the optimization of mce2 than anything

[gray vigil]

\o/

[lyric cypress]

it didnt matter how i spaced out or formatted my base in mce1, my frame rate would always eventually plummet to ~60 fps in the endgame

[gray vigil]

you should have seen my FPS lol.... i would hit sub 10s

[lyric cypress]

thats with fancy graphics, 8 chunk render distance, 4070 ti + ryzen 9 7900

yeah id get sub 30 in poorly layed out machinery/farming areas

[gray vigil]

i havnt loaded up that save on this newer system

that was on my amd 8350

i hobe MCE2 has create its a fun mod and ive been craving it for a while

main thing i love from create is the TRAINS and the spline system with them

[uncut chasm]

Ah, I thought they were talking about early access for a different game.

[heady inlet]

create is way too overused imo

[gray vigil]

create is fun and it looks amazing

[midnight rose]

Create 1.16 doesn’t have trains :(

At least last time I checked

[gray vigil]

probably doesnt id have to load up a world with create and see, but that sad

[flint egret]

it doesnt

and we looked into backporting it but its too complicated

[gray vigil]

❤️

thanks for your hard work Adam.

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[compact spruce]

dev channel

[wary zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-spin-flippers-gif-18236060

truly minecraft eternal 2

[pliant igloo]

I sense Quack's influence.

[cinder rain]

oh intresting

[next flame]

quack's influence extends beyond the reach of the mortal realm

[fiery jackal]

Once it has been released there is no stopping the quackening

[sly spindle]

Slightly upset you went with that over Quackmageddon

[fiery jackal]

Take ou the M and it will roll of the tongue better. Quackagrddon

[flint egret]

It's a royalty free duck gif

[vast ibex]

i think this calls for something...

[midnight rose]

they removed phantoms and replaced it with sleep deprivation hallucinations where all you see is that gif

[vast ibex]

we got rats, crabs, and now a duck, you know what that means?

Duck

🦆

[pliant igloo]

I was going to go for replacing phantoms with this:

[wicked plover]

I know even the base pack isn't even out yet, but do you have any plans of creating a lite version as well ? I'm asking because I couldn't play regular mce due to poor performance and had to play mce lite which hasn't been updated for a over a year compared to the base mce. Will mce2 have better performance ? My specific issue was that the game is too focused on single thread processing and can't utilize all 12 threads, hence the cpu bottleneck, how is that handled in 1.16.5 ?

[royal token]

minecraft players when their 500+ modpack uses 500 gigafarts of megacum instead of 100 megafarts of pizzashit

[lyric cypress]

it’ll definitely have better performance but i honestly doubt he’s doing a lite version

and that duck.gif is gonna be like the coconut.jpg in team fortress 2 where deleting it will make the game crash on startup

[flint egret]

Yes we're making a lite version

[cinder rain]

will the enderdragon be buffed

to make him an acttual boss

[quartz zinc]

hope 2024 is the year we will finally get mce2

[sand lake]

I like to imagine it's similar to the load bearing coconut from TF2.
If the duck isn't there, MCE2 isn't there.

[sand lake]

THERES ZERO CHANCE
I DID NOT SEE THIS MESSAGE

[cinder rain]

hopfully yah

[rose bronze]

well guys and galls, its less than 12 hours to the launch of MCE2

[white willow]

tf2 coconut.jpg but for mce2

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-detected-ashesof-creation-narc-gif-25557025

[sterile quarry]

you have stolen my title of best quality copium

[steady wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-21978827

[deep frost]

giving me some war flashbacks with this one

[pale bolt]

@flint egret when is mce2 coming! ive been playing for almost 2 year of mce

[fiery jackal]

there is no release date yet

[digital yacht]

People really be zooming past that #📗-faq section huh

[blissful light]

any updates on the progress for mc2?

[atomic lance]

#🎨mce2-dev-sneak-peek @blissful light

Most updates come there

[blissful light]

i see

[atomic lance]

or just look through adams messages

he sometimes posts stuff in this channel aswell

#1143742498808799232 message

stuff like that

[steady wraith]

Happy new years!

[wide jacinth]

do we know if mce2 will have electroblobs

[compact spruce]

it will not, electroblobs isn't on 1.16.5

[digital yacht]

from their discord

[unreal belfry]

crab

🦀

[compact spruce]

that's 1.19.2 and there's no ETA

[cunning marsh]

neither is there for MCE2 so we got time xDDD

imagine adam waiting for electroblob to be ported to 1.16 xDD

[quartz zinc]

improbable but not impossible

[wide jacinth]

Think Adam would be interested in adding the Death Star to mce2 ?

[fiery jackal]

i doubt it, the time for suggestions has long since passed. but who knows

[wide jacinth]

but death star

[heady inlet]

Are we talking Star Wars death star?

[flint egret]

Is that a mod?

[heady inlet]

have only seen death star maps so far, no mod sadly

[heady inlet]

Hmm is there a star wars mod that adds different planets or battle stations like the death star? Like AR or whatever it is called

[flint egret]

something i was working on today. real world recipes using interactio.

[boreal grail]

oooh, thats sick!!! ||is the boss health bar up there custom or does it come from the same mod the boss does?||

spoilered since the vid itself is spoilered

[flint egret]

||its a resourcepack that adds a few boss bars to a handful of bosses ||

[boreal grail]

nods nods, it looks badass :)

[cunning marsh]

any1 knwo what that eternal structures tab is from?

[white willow]

im guessing it's a custom mod to add stuff for custom structures in the modpack. could be wrong though

[flint egret]

#1143760162478370836 message there are 150+ custom titles that are unlockable.

[heady inlet]

I really like the dropped items having their names shown above them. May be a small thing, but I like it :)

[brave hound]

Me too, and that they have the different text colors as the items do, nice lil touch

Has development for MCE2 been enjoyable? As far as coding can be, anyhow

[flint egret]

most of the time! it can get frustrating sometimes but its overall very fun for me

[quartz zinc]

what kind of stuff is frustrating?

and what has been the most complicated thing?

[flint egret]

crashes, bugs, problems that take too long to solve

creative problems and imposter syndrome :>

[brave hound]

Ah, the fun stuff

[quartz zinc]

imposter syndrome, an old friend

[digital yacht]

ah the old pendulum of coding. It swings from
"I'm a god who can do anything!!!" to "I can legally own a computer? wat"

[small marsh]

Testing when?

[digital yacht]

#📗-faq

[small marsh]

Is the zip public?

[ornate swallow]

there isn't one

[pastel atlas]

Are you open for modeling submissions?

I used to make models for minecraft

We could make iconic items from discord members into modpack

just a idea

[sand lake]

Tbh, trying to even try and understand how making a minecraft forge mod significantly replenished my patience and admiration for MCE2

[unreal belfry]

crab

🦀

[flint egret]

I'll accept anything - it might get used and it might not

[atomic lance]

Do you want a drawing of one punch man i did like ages ago

[flint egret]

Yes I do

I'll turn it into a painting

[atomic lance]

oh i just realized its my pf picture

[compact spruce]

[midnight rose]

Do you proof that its not AI?

[lyric cypress]

id like to step up as the first closed beta tester for MCE2

[wicked plover]

So that means you like CBT. Noted.

[boreal grail]

ah yes, who doesnt love cognitive behavioral therapy :P

[brave hound]

crab bed time...

[pliant igloo]

Cannon Ball Throwing?

[pale sage]

Only another year away

[midnight rose]

Crash BandicootT?

[naive panther]

Maybe he's just an avid villager trader or in other words Constantly Breeding and Trading

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[wide jacinth]

we need a crab statue in mce2

[fiery jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bikini-bodhi-crab-rave-crab-dance-gif-15172853

[cold trout]

Can we get a stone racoon statue 😳

[flint egret]

If someone builds one using vanilla materials and sends it to me I can certainly add one to the overworld

[craggy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-bateman-i-dont-know-what-i-expected-arrested-development-micheal-bluth-idk-what-i-expected-gif-10013682

that latest sneak peek... 😄

[lyric cypress]

how big we talkin

[flint egret]

No wider than a villagers house and no taller than a oak tree

[lyric cypress]

gotchu

[vast ibex]

the crab statue should have a crab spawner (definitively wont get exploited for crab profit)

[flint egret]

crab statues are welcome too

i can put a crab mini boss instead of a spawner

[lyric cypress]

first draft

much to improve

🦀

[brave hound]

Not yet eaten! What does it taste like?

[vast ibex]

that's better than a spawner

instead of getting something to spawn thousands of little crabs, you can now fight the biggest crab of the bunch

[quartz zinc]

finally adam added fps reducer

[unreal belfry]

Crab

🦀

[pliant igloo]

Can you make it panic by throwing a glob of melted butter at it?

[flint egret]

special video

[cold trout]

for me? 😳

[pliant igloo]

One ingot will feed you for the rest of your life.

[flint egret]

thats clever :>

i added it to the tooltip

[fiery jackal]

It's my spirit animal. The trash panda

[atomic lance]

Dude im getting more and more excited for it the more i see

How much can we send in to actually be added??

Im betting if you set up a list of shit like structures, ppl will prob try and make them

[digital yacht]

pretty sure that was something that already happened

[atomic lance]

Ah

Ofcourse

[digital yacht]

they had a building competition or submission some time back

[atomic lance]

Ye but like random shit

Idk, maybe its unnecessary

[wary zodiac]

Did the build competition ever conclude?

[compact spruce]

nope, adam's been busy with other stuff

[uncut chasm]

are you able to change the death msg? I don't really have any good ideas to what it could be, but i'm sure there's something funny you could come up with.

[flint egret]

Unfortunately I don't think so. The way the script works is it just applies a deadly amount of magic damage.

I don't have a more elegant solution