#Cura and ender 3 v1

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obtuse crane
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Hello,

I have a ender 3 printer. I have been having trouble with my printer.

Here is what I have and done...

-Bed Leveler with the latest firmware
-Glass Bed
-New Z Motor
-New Extruder Motor
-New Filament
-Blue Pipe Capricon
-New 0.4 Nozzle
-Latest Versions of Cura

The bed is perfectly leveled. I had no trouble printing the bed test. With the bed test I was able to make sure it is perfectly leveled. I have used the paper method but with a receipt. I can print the first few layers perfectly. But after a while the flow have decreased making stringy affects.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5775331/comments

Everything is perfectly fine with my printer. Is it possible to the model? Or is it Cura that is doing this?

I used to be able to print models just fine until now. When it messes up, I have to put it at the flow rate of 120. Or 220? I don't remember I had to add 20 to it is what I know. I do not know how long this will help.

This is what I am trying to print.

brisk rain
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Attach your gcode

obtuse crane
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; Ender 3 Custom Start G-code
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
G28 ; Home all axes
G29 ABL
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed
G1 X0.1 Y20 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to start position
G1 X0.1 Y200.0 Z0.3 F1500.0 E15 ; Draw the first line
G1 X0.4 Y200.0 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to side a little
G1 X0.4 Y20 Z0.3 F1500.0 E30 ; Draw the second line
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed
G1 X5 Y20 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move over to prevent blob squish (edited)
NEW
G91 ;Relative positioning
G1 E-2 F2700 ;Retract a bit
G1 E-2 Z0.2 F2400 ;Retract and raise Z
G1 X5 Y5 F3000 ;Wipe out
G1 Z10 ;Raise Z more
G90 ;Absolute positioning

G1 X0 Y{machine_depth} ;Present print
M106 S0 ;Turn-off fan
M104 S0 ;Turn-off hotend
M140 S0 ;Turn-off bed

M84 X Y E ;Disable all steppers but Z

brisk rain
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not just your start gcode. attach the entire gcode file

obtuse crane
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how do I do that?

brisk rain
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drag the file into discord

obtuse crane
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The file is too big.

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11 something mb

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I could splice a smaller model?

brisk rain
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No. I want to see the exact gcode that is giving you trouble

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Upload it anywhere and provide the link here.

obtuse crane
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Ok, let me see what I can do.

brisk rain
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do you have a photo of the issue?

obtuse crane
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I tried printing it a few time.

The latest one I successfully printed it after adding 20 to the flow.

Here are the pictures from the earlier failure.

brisk rain
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did you calibrate your "esteps"?

obtuse crane
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Yeah

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Its at 100.

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Or close to it.

brisk rain
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explain how you calibrated it

obtuse crane
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I extrude 100 mm, then measure making sure it is 100 mm. Or very close to it.

brisk rain
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how did you extrude 100?

obtuse crane
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Using the machine itself.

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I have no idea how I would do it with cura.

brisk rain
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typically the controls on the machine command the extruder faster than it can actually reliably melt

obtuse crane
brisk rain
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go into the settings of the machine and set the max E speed to 2mm/s then calibrate esteps

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then set the max e speed back to whatever it was

obtuse crane
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With the picture you if you look closely you can see that it was fine for the first few layers. Then it start getting messy.

Hmm, okay.

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This is what the first few layers actually look like.

brisk rain
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you still have the stock extruder?

obtuse crane
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Yeah, I kept it just incase it wasn't the stock extruder. I upgraded it to all metal.

brisk rain
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Sorry. I mean using the stock

obtuse crane
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No, I upgraded.

brisk rain
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the "new all metal extruder" is not really an upgrade

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it's the same terrible design

obtuse crane
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Ah I see.

brisk rain
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Consider getting a "BMG clone". cheap is fine. it's a good design.

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they're on amazon and whatnot

obtuse crane
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Looking for one.

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They haver different types.

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Like this?

brisk rain
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anyways, inconsistent extruding and considering the extruder you have that would be my first guess. but yeah, verify the esteps at a slow speed

obtuse crane
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go into the settings of the machine and set the max E speed to 2mm/s then calibrate esteps
then set the max e speed back to whatever it was

brisk rain
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yeah

obtuse crane
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Yeah, I hate how it squishes the filament.

brisk rain
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you will need to significantly change your esteps if you do try that bmg since it has a reduction gear, just fyi

obtuse crane
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The one attached looks like it grips the filament with teeths, not squish it. So it would be better.

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As for the Z motor, I think there is nothing wrong with it. I plan to return the new one and go back to the old one.

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Okay, will do the steps you mentioned.

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I will report back after a another test run. Prolly tomorrow.

brisk rain
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👍

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some people in the comments say that bmg doesn't "fit" the ender 3 cause it bumps stuff, maybe look around, but also take the reviews with a grain of salt. it literally can bolt on anywhere

modern ibex
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What material are you printing with?

obtuse crane
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I can't find max e. There is a Vmaxe, amaxe and E step/mm

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PLA +

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@brisk rain

brisk rain
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vmaxe

modern ibex
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@obtuse crane my gcode preview says you use abs settings ...that might be a fluke but check your slicer and its flow rate

brisk rain
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I don't know where you are getting that

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temp is 215 and bed is 75

modern ibex
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Yes but what about partcooli g flowrate etc settings

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Especially since 75c for pla is pretty uncommon

obtuse crane
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@brisk rain it perfectly at 100 mm now

brisk rain
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it changed?

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75c is definitely a toasty bed for PLA, but I don't think it's going to cause the issues we are seeing

obtuse crane
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The PLA+ can handle up to 80 but I have it at 70.

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I did the change and it is still at 100 mm.

modern ibex
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I would bet on the Capricorn tube but i have hate for that bad product

obtuse crane
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If it is that bad, then why does everyone suggest it. I doubt it is the tube.

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The filament goes through it just fine and smoothly.

modern ibex
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thats a great mind set everybody says its good so it work

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it helps with good quality filament and in professional machines

brisk rain
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@obtuse crane but you did have to change it to get it at 100 again?

obtuse crane
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It always was at 100.

modern ibex
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otherwise if you have a little more then usual varaiantion in filament diameter you are in for a world of hurt

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are you sure you are not mixing flowrate on your printer with extrusion multiplier?

brisk rain
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@obtuse crane did it go slower when you commanded 100mm?

obtuse crane
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Yeah.

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It went slower.

brisk rain
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I'm blaming your extruder then. Take a look what it has going on when the trouble is happening

modern ibex
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okay lets take a look on your gcode now that im on my pc

obtuse crane
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Ok.

obtuse crane
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I have, even with new parts and such, the result all the same. Lol.

modern ibex
obtuse crane
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Somewhat. The higher quality printers that are steps up are essentially the same but with better parts in some form.

modern ibex
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first your printbed is tilted

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you are to far away on the left

obtuse crane
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I have it all perfectly now.

modern ibex
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then you run into something that happens alot with hexagon patterns

obtuse crane
modern ibex
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you have a ton of retration / detraction in ashort timer

obtuse crane
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Yeah, I have that noted.

modern ibex
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perfect how did yo fix it

obtuse crane
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Better spring, and bed level test files. Long tedious process.

modern ibex
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and the stringing

obtuse crane
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I have the flat springs instead of the rounded ones.

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This is the bed test.

modern ibex
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thats not explaining the stringing

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im asking for stringing

obtuse crane
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Yeah, I think its the program. I do not know why it is doing that.

The first few layers as mentioned is perfect, then boom stringy right on the next layer.

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Then I add 20 to the flow then perfect again. I think its the program messing up something.

modern ibex
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that usally speaks for wrong retractin settings

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but i have to say there are so much that i would be surpised if it would not make issue on my prusa too

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each pink / glue dot is retraction related

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do you got the stl for me? id like to test something

obtuse crane
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Its above

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Google Link.

modern ibex
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thats the gcode not stl

obtuse crane
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Its litterally the STL file.

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I mean the spliced file.

modern ibex
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...

obtuse crane
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Do you want the file before the splicing?

brisk rain
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the original message has the thingiverse link

obtuse crane
modern ibex
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yeah saw that

obtuse crane
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Ok

modern ibex
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anyhow what are your retraction settings? 🙂 and you are sure you are priting with pla settings

obtuse crane
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Let se.

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Both the PLA and PLA+ literally have same settings except for the temperature.

Retractions are at 3.0 mm, for both.

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This is Cura default setting btw. Except for the tempt that I manually added.

brisk rain
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What retraction speed?

modern ibex
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3mm is .. pretty low for a bowden setup (with or without capricorn)

obtuse crane
brisk rain
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that stock extruder can probably not reliably do 40mm/s

brisk rain
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frequent retractions might be causing it to become unprimed and extruding little material

obtuse crane
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Yup, I get that.

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This one I ordered.

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Should fit.

modern ibex
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Reminds me why i dont like hexagons that much despite hexagone is bestagon

obtuse crane
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Yeah, I think its the hex.

brisk rain
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extruder should be much better

modern ibex
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At least thr way your slicer treats it yes. Not as a single extrusionline but several short piece

obtuse crane
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Ima try printing another item and see how that go.

I can understand why the hex can be a problem.

Anyway to print it without all of the extrusion?

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I could test it.

brisk rain
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you could disable retractions and turn on combing

obtuse crane
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Let see where that setting is.

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Never done this type of printing.

brisk rain
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Combing keeps the travels within the print to hopefully keep the strings inside the print instead of across gaps

obtuse crane
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Ah I see.

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Which one should I go with ?

brisk rain
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uhh, I have to look up the manual on that one every time. the names are so bad

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within infill should be what you want

obtuse crane
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Okay

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Gonna test this, with the new sliced file.

brisk rain
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look at the gcode preview, you should see that the travels avoid the holes

obtuse crane
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Okay

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Damn, 22 hours. Lol

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About 10 hours more.

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But, I will do it for testing purposes.

brisk rain
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you should also consider only printing one part at a time

obtuse crane
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Yeah, stupid thing. The two object is in one file.

brisk rain
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every other free slicer can set up a box to ignore areas of the stl

obtuse crane
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Cura doesn't have that?

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Whut??

brisk rain
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pretty sure cura is the only one that doesn't 😛

obtuse crane
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Pfft...

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What other program is good?

brisk rain
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superslicer

obtuse crane
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Thought so. I'll give that a try another time.

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Especially when I am going to get a resin printer soon.

brisk rain
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also, if you haven't, you should figure out how fast your printer can travel (and at what acceleration)

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then you can tune your travel speeds and whatnot to speed up the print

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also, you were going INCREDIBLY slow in that gcode you attached

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like, crazy slow

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which.. is usually fine.. but you don't have to go that slow

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or maybe I was looking at the flow and you had low layer heights.. let me look again, lol

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yeah, maybe I lied

obtuse crane
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Huh, ok. Give me a min.

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Oh, ok.

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Nvm.

brisk rain
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yeah, I just see 1.3mm^3/s and I normally target like 20, lol (on a different printer)

obtuse crane
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I can already see the stringy which is not a problem. But again this is just the first layer.

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It's not the stringy I need to worry about. Just ones to expect.

modern ibex
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You know what... try z hop

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Normaly i dont reco..end it but yur stringing alings with travel moves so i think that might be a way to improve on it

obtuse crane
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Yeah, potentially. It's something I will have to play with. But I want to keep it printing to see if it acts up later.

brisk rain
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he also totally turned off retractions, I think you should be able to turn it on when it's a significant travel

obtuse crane
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Didn't know that was an option.

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I don't think Cura has that.

brisk rain
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"Retraction Minimum Travel Maybe make it like the size of 2 hexes

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it does

obtuse crane
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Oh, ok. Looking again.

brisk rain
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Maybe the size of 1x hex

obtuse crane
modern ibex
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I had hoped i could make hexes 1 continous wall but that doesnt want to work

brisk rain
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Enable retraction to see additional settings

obtuse crane
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Ok, that's why I didn't see it.

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Hmm, the hex size I am not so sure. Let see.

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It retract after entire hex.

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1 hex is about 20mm

brisk rain
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make it 30 or something and see if the gcode preview makes sense

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not retracting between hexes but retracting for a long travel

obtuse crane
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Retraction minimum travel right?

brisk rain
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yeh

obtuse crane
modern ibex
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max retraction counnt and extrusin distance window

obtuse crane
brisk rain
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yeah, 100 is a bit extreme, but maybe setting the minimum travel would make that irrelevant

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I don't know what the retractions look like in your screenshot there. are they happening?

modern ibex
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im currenty on 5 times on 50 mm s looks nice

obtuse crane
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Every white dots are the retractions.

brisk rain
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I'm going to play with the stl

modern ibex
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i would try z hop when retracted

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that seems to be the best soloution

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mostly because it perfectly aligns with where your stringing happens

obtuse crane
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I looked at the failed part, the first layers had the string. So it may just be the first layer thing.

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Nvm saw the print.

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The first layer is almost done.

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Should I change the max extrusion count?

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I'm thinking of scrapping and doing over with different setting.

brisk rain
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I suppose you haven't messed with linear advance at all

obtuse crane
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Nope

brisk rain
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It's a whole thing, and sometimes requires you flash up to date firmware, but not setting it up is not doing things correctly

obtuse crane
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Printer is acting up. Hmm.

brisk rain
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it lets the printer attempt to compensate for the delay between pushing the filament and when it actually comes out

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it can significantly reduce stringing

obtuse crane
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You can see the gap between 2 filament lines

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How do I set that up?

brisk rain
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you'll have to google it. I can help if you have struggles, but it's a long process

obtuse crane
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If it firmware, I have updated it a little while ago.

brisk rain
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then you may have firmware that supports it

obtuse crane
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Okay I see. That will be for another time. I'ma do another setting. I am putting retraction back on.

obtuse crane
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@brisk rain

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I fixed it.

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It was the pom wheels. They were not tight enough. The bed was not sturdy, kept wobbling.

I now have a dual gear extruder that should work.