#Nerf Jug

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sterile root
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ye

robust sluice
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bruh

mild crypt
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I do agree with superheavy giving an extra nade

robust sluice
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now you only nerf hof

sterile root
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that's how we did it in the eu pug revival

frank sphinx
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I will never play JUG again

robust sluice
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offense dont even switch off x1

pulsar gyro
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superheavy +1 belt item

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very pog

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ill still play jug with untocuhed x1

robust sluice
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ok i agree

frank sphinx
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I'm not playing even jug HOF with super heavy

robust sluice
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with that

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actually

digital dagger
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Again. I'd rather buff sld than nerf jug at this point

mild crypt
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I would not say no to buffing SLD tbh

robust sluice
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sld dmg is fine

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the problem is sniper

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sniper doesnt allow sld to become meta

digital dagger
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O balance aside, jug hof is in a great place. I don't wanna fw that

mild crypt
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yeah

frank sphinx
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Do we make tech a baby's first O class or something

sterile root
frank sphinx
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Easy to hit but lower damage idk

pulsar gyro
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@digital dagger the changes proposed dont change jug hof

robust sluice
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i dont want to pug like we used to, going for the sides making the game slower xd

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no figit+midfield runs > side runs+ figit

digital dagger
pulsar gyro
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+1 belt item with superheavy

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no safety third

robust sluice
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id reduce hp then too

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for offense

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but add a bonus hp to super heavy

frank sphinx
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Is everyone forgetting how strong brute is

robust sluice
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dodge first let the jugg be nerfed

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then brute

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be patient

digital dagger
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Hmm. Idk. Superheavy is good but qd is so much better to survive

robust sluice
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its a trade

pulsar gyro
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tradeoff

sterile root
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exactly

digital dagger
frank sphinx
sterile root
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@digital dagger jug already has 2 discs because you want rage anyway

digital dagger
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I never run rage on hof

sterile root
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then you are a big dum dum

digital dagger
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Not in this meta. You get hard punished for chasing rn

sterile root
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you don't chase, you stay alive for the walk

digital dagger
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O brainded camps stand these days

robust sluice
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k dont change the subject lets get to the nerf point so dodge can work on that

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and we update settings for pug tonight

digital dagger
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I'm down for the SH change

sterile root
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coupled with safety third ban

robust sluice
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+1 belt item with superheavy
no safety third

digital dagger
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Can we not blanket ban s3? Just no combo? Or do we not have the tech

mild crypt
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rip my 50 second 4 nitron routes

sterile root
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I don't think we have the tech but I might be wrong

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could set discs to 1 and make superheavy +2 belt items but then fractal party bruh

mild crypt
digital dagger
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Idk that seems fine to me too. Fractals are good but they're not busted.

pulsar gyro
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fractalls are busted

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tehy impulse cappers

mild crypt
sterile root
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it's not the worst, the problematic part of belt items is the quickdraw pairing for sure

digital dagger
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Not since we fixed the final blast weird shit

mild crypt
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impulse cappers, 350 damage per hit

pulsar gyro
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theys till do

mild crypt
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it's just a big fuck you to cappers

digital dagger
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Ya. Fractals are still good

pulsar gyro
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fuxking arx side routes are awful

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when hof thows a fractal down and u miss flag

sterile root
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can the impulse not be changed?

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might be worthy of its own thread

digital dagger
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I'd be down to remove the impulse on Fractals. It should never have been there in the first place

robust sluice
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we can do perk bans if a weapon is equipped iirc

digital dagger
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Make the thread jack. I'm with you

robust sluice
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like it is for sentinel

mild crypt
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sentinel has banned combinations?

digital dagger
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Ye. We banned rage/phase and rage/sap back in the day

mild crypt
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oh yeah, valid

digital dagger
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I don't think we ever lifted that ban tbh lol

mild crypt
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sap doesn't exist anymore though

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and no one runs phase

digital dagger
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Bc bxt is just wildly superior

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In most practical situations

mild crypt
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yeah

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why not lift the ban?

digital dagger
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SAP rage was nuts bc you could do 520 something on a cappers entry and the same dmg on exit

mild crypt
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I did have a suggestion for sap, fwiw

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bring it back and just make it so that you can't regen E in invos

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with the rage ban it's just a little better phase in rare cases

robust sluice
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i think it is

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ServerSettings.MutuallyExclusiveItems.add("Heavy", "X1 LMG","Heavy", "Safety Third")

sterile root
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again, let's not clutter this thread

robust sluice
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bans safety third if you have x1

sterile root
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the idea was to ban safety third with discs I think

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not that honorjug is a problem or anything

robust sluice
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it is an example xd then it is for throwing disks

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ServerSettings.MutuallyExclusiveItems.add("Heavy", "Spinfusor Disk", "Heavy", "Safety Third")

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dodge has to update the settings file on github anyway

mild crypt
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triple spindisc honorjug xd

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that would be bad if we actually had low ping players who could hit midairs

sterile root
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only if ld is tetraplegic

mild crypt
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bruh I know you can, Solly, but I know there's much better xd

pulsar gyro
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once this gets changed ill no longer have to hear jive say "i threw my third discus at his meniscus" ever again

sterile root
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now I'm sad I never got to be a part of that

pulsar gyro
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well i made it up

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so i am sad too

sterile root
pulsar gyro
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im here to ruin your happiness

frank sphinx
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Sollys server out of date maybe?

pulsar gyro
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most likely

digital dagger
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Oh pog

frank sphinx
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I can do it when I get home but I'm at work now

digital dagger
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Guess we don't need that other thread @sterile root

frank sphinx
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I still don't agree with this change

digital dagger
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Fractal?

frank sphinx
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Throwing disc

digital dagger
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I don't really either. But I'm down to try whatever

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I won't say no to a good college try

frank sphinx
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They are already harder to aim than brutes disc because of timing

digital dagger
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OK I disagree with you there.

frank sphinx
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All it does is nerf noobs like myself who can't pound first or 2nd try

pulsar gyro
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it would nerf me

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having 3 makes lets me farm lds 3 times

frank sphinx
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I don't think it stops people running heavy too which is like, the whole issue

digital dagger
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First off if you're using the disc's for anything other than a close range gp you're usually just wasting a disc

frank sphinx
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Brutes is just way better imo

digital dagger
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It is. But then why is everyone playing jug

frank sphinx
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I do because I'm trying to learn mortar

digital dagger
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Probably bc mortar is the best weapon in the game

pulsar gyro
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x1 with low ping is fun

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3 discs is powerful

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mortar is nice for clear when my bad energy management stops me from making it to stand

frank sphinx
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The only thing getting me off heavies is buffing medium tbh

pulsar gyro
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brute i have to choose between snipe and stand (almost exclusively choose stand)
jug and can kill ld, snipe then mortar stand

digital dagger
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Which is why I keep pushing for a SLD buff

frank sphinx
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How would you buff SLD?

digital dagger
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Bc most of our high pingers pron feel the same.

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Either a straight up health buff or some hitscan buff

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A way to contest snipe without shield pack is what I would want to end up with

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Either that or maneuvering that's superior enough to offset the survivability you get by picking heavy instead

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Which tbf it kind of already has

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But it's not enough you just die to sen

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I think a small buff to sld cap as a side effect wouldn't be an issue either.

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Can we give SLD jammer pack?

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Actually I'm gonna split this to a different thread

robust sluice
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imma download it

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i downloaded settings like a month ago

digital dagger
mild crypt
full solar
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I dont think this solves anything but this is a step in the right direction

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ACTUALLY

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Thoughts on removing the extra speed you get to throw discs with Q.D?

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this makes it easier to dodge as ld/md

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this is a defense biased post

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but it doesn't solve dodge's issue

frank sphinx
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Yeah I'm bad and need faster discs

mild crypt
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okay, here's a question that I imagine has been answered

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how hard is it to make even a basic predictive mechanic based on player ping

full solar
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bad net code.

mild crypt
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bruh yeah, the netcode is bad

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but why couldn't a predictive mechanic exist to account for player ping

bright frigate
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because we're not competent developers for fortune 500 companies

mild crypt
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bruh I didn't know how hard something like that was

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which was why I asked

frank sphinx
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It'd be easier if we had debug tools

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Verifying it works is the harder part

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Works correctly anyway

bright frigate
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We don't have access to the source code

mild crypt
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that would be an issue, then

full solar
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loved playing Jug's Ascend last night

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that was fun

bright frigate
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just wait until the sequel...

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Jug's Descend