Make twinfusor capping good again

[magic inlet]

Twinfusors have almost no reason to be used for capping because their impulse sucks. I think we should bring back GOTY twinfusors which had the same impulse as normal spin, but 50% less self impulse (which means you get the same total self impulse as a spin out of two shots). This will make twinfusor capping viable but not objectively better than spin capping.

Twinfusor pros:

• More clear
• Can boost in smaller proportions

Twinfusor cons:

• Harder to get all twinfusor shots in on normal routes (impossible on some)
• Less MA damage (No, having two shots does not make you twice as likely to hit an MA)

With these changes, twin fusor vs spinfusor would be a situational choice rather than an objective choice of which is better. Vote with or

[marble lichen]

wrt to this, med twinfusor is my baby, can you limit changes to light twin?

[magic inlet]

it would probably be all twins. I suggest you try it out on my server to see if it works for you

I found that it was fairly managable with the impulse

[marble lichen]

Meh I guess a relearning curve isn't the worst, I'll have to rework my low-impulse double-disk muscle memory.
But I was thinking about whether giving light twin blink inheritance would make it more viable for high-speed operators like I aren't

[magic inlet]

I think 100% impulse sucks for capping and I doubt chasers would choose it over normal spin because 750 MA is better

[marble lichen]

Fair enough

[dawn sierra]

I'd think slightly more impulse than spin to offset the fact that it's easier to fuck up with 2 shots

And harder to use

Slightly higher total impulse*

[marble lichen]

Can you apply the impulse changes to tonight's mixer, at least for med twin, so I can get a real-use feel for it and comment after?

[magic inlet]

yes

[marble lichen]

Thanks

[marble lichen]

Pro: Increased utility e.g. deflecting a capper with a disk

[marble lichen]

It's a better weapon I think but I'm playing through a migraine so I don't know if it's hurting my aim yet.

[marble lichen]

Ok so little bit drunk but no migraine:
I hate this med twinfusor. I can't wait to stop using it. As the foremost twinfusor advocate, that should be a harsh indictment.
Every first shot I land sabotages my second. I delay my second, thus making both discs fully independent shots. By then I'm just using a weaker single-fusor.
My double-tap groundpounds are gone, my doubledisks don't flow.

I'm not self-impulsing as much as a capper. 99% of my disks are on other people, as a medium. This isn't worth using.

[dawn sierra]

Fwiw, light twin is now extremely good for capping

I've used it last 2 matches and had great success(for my actual success rate)

[marble lichen]

To clarify, what were the change numbers to impulse?
Was it 42500 + 1.0x self --->>> 85000 + 0.5x self?

[magic inlet]

yes

[marble lichen]

So end result self impulse is from 42500 to 42500 but target impulse is 42500 to 85000.
Was the goal to increase the twin's ability to knock people around on flag stand?

[magic inlet]

that is what the goty twin does

[marble lichen]

Kk, makes sense for the light, but hurts the med

[magic inlet]

mediums use goty twin to clear more

[marble lichen]

Dunno, the timing is less constricting than high-speed capping, so disk-disk doubletap followed by a rapid salvo of arx is more reliable than the slower pace of high impulse

Essentially, with high impulse twin I'm betting on 'one of my two disks' to do work, not the pair. Well, that just means I'd be better off going single spin and counting on 'one of my one disks' to do more work.

It's gonna hit harder on the one shot and won't delay my swap to arx buster for combo

[magic inlet]

the primary use of the twin should be for capping, since it is useful to more people and already established meta

if you want a zero impulse twin it would have to be by repurposing another weapon

such as the thumpers

[marble lichen]

Why is it necessary to pigeonhole both the light and the med twins the same way though

[magic inlet]

because lights and mediums cap

[marble lichen]

You expecting an upswing of med cappers on the back of the med twin?

[magic inlet]

same reason lights and mediums have spinfusors

we already have an increase in medium cappers due to the 20% ego

[marble lichen]

Well then see if it takes off, if it doesn't you just neutered weapon variety

[magic inlet]

the twin debate really seems to be balancing around cappers (many) and balancing around you (one)

[marble lichen]

Worded differently, a possible future userbase (?) and the entire current userbase (me)

[magic inlet]

have you played pugs?

have you medium capped in GOTY

[marble lichen]

no

[magic inlet]

If you did, you would see that it is not a "possible future userbase". It already exists. They just can't couldn't use twin for the same puprose before in OOTB because twin was neutered.