Should camo equipment be allowed on heavy tanks?

[spark orbit]

While normally one should generally support increased options, this option I just can't really get for almost all heavies as the base camo if the tanks + said actual bonus of the equipment just leads to a meh value in the first place.

I can think of maybe like 3 or so heavies that could in theory make use of them (Vk 30.01 H really).

I wouldn't be surprised to hear others be a tad confused to see heavies use binos and camo net.

Just wanted to hear some debate between the freedom of choice vs. Well it being a very dubious decision.

Mostly I think it could be removed and many wouldn't notice it.

But then why not buff it so it actually makes a difference? Perhaps a special version that has a downside for actually be a notable increase in camo?

I'm not so sure on the moving camo equipment, but the net I wouldn't oppose a buff to it (though I'm leaning to a buff to it in general)

[heavy viper]

Personally, I would say no.

I can see an arguement for binos for heavies, but not camo equipment.

[umbral wind]

I think it should be allowed, not all heavys are meant to be brawlers

[heavy viper]

Heres the thing, heavy tanks already have bad camo, increasing 0 by 10-20% does nothing.

[umbral wind]

I have a camo build on my machine and is7 and it seems to work pretty well actually

[heavy viper]

Granted, not all heavy tanks have 0 still camo factors, but the point is the same.
They have such low base camo values that adding the camo equipment effectively does nothing. Any perceived bonuses for mid to high tier heavies is more of a placebo than anything else.

[sick elk]

I think superheavies should definitely lose them. The amount of sniping E-100s I've seen with that equipment that think it makes them a sniper

[odd bay]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-bait-or-low-iq-bait-or-low-iq-call-it-call-it-bait-or-gif-11665902714889208022

99% bait

[umbral wind]

Wouldn't say all heavies but most

[sick elk]

Using spotting for a chief or something like that does something. A camo net on a E-100 is useless

[umbral wind]

Just saw a maus having binoculars just now sniping

😭🙏

[heavy viper]

For example, the IS-7 had 6.61% still camo, if we were to increase it by 5% (which I think is the imp. concealment) it gets 6.94% still camo.
The moving camo goes from 3.31% to 3.47%.
With camo net the still goes to 7.27% and the moving goes to 3.64%.

(My assumptions were twice as high as they actually were)

That is assuming that heavy tanks recieve the same bonuses that other classes do, which I know they dont. I just cannot remember the values each class recieves.

[heavy viper]

Im of the same mindset. Binoculars can have a place on heavies and super heavy tanks. Camouflage net and improved concealment does not.

[heavy viper]

Thus, increasing near 0 by 5-10% is so small, it makes no practical difference

[heavy viper]

Actually, its half as low as I thought for heavy tanks.

[heavy viper]

So, the IS-7s camo will look like this with the 2 pieces of equipment.

Still (camo net)
6.61% -> 6.94%
399.18 -> 379.22

Moving (improved concealment)
3.31% -> 3.39%
422.09 -> 411.53

[native elm]

It adds diversity to tanks if we keep this, So instead of having a normal Is7 we can have an IS-7 for stealth, ramming, durable modules and so on, Soo I say we keep them

[pale prism]

Keep it.. It's their tank, so let players set it up the way they want it. If someone doesn't want it on their tank, then they don't have to add it...

[steel silo]

They shouldn't get it a heavy camping the base is nothing but a burden to their team.

[heavy viper]

Think of it like TDs not being able to use stabs

[odd bay]

Camo net does not need a buff

[heavy viper]

The only camo changes Id like to see for the camo equipment is making it a flat bonus for all classes. I personally dislike how aome classes get more or less camo based off of class and how it isnt listed anywhere ingame or the portal equipment guide.

[odd bay]

Light tanks already get outspotted by TDs because most of them are getting better and better view range

We don't need a camo net buff to make that experience even worse

[odd bay]

The only time I'd maybe be okay with camo net buffs is if TDs got view ranged nerfed

Which I think should happen anyways

[spark orbit]

CW TD having on par with Meds if so so and depends on the TD.
WW2 it also depends. Most tier 10's having 390 or 400 is dubious and i could see argument having 380 instead for some.
Stuff like the Kanon 90 still only have 360, but its also a light tank half the time so i could see argument for it to have been buffed. VR for TD's is certainly a discussion but with how much verity there is in the class.

[solemn juniper]

Should you be allowed to post takes like this?

[odd bay]

I'm talking WW2 specifically atleast. I think bigger and slower TDs are fine with view range (I even thnk the Nemesis TD needs better view range), but I think sniper TDs need reduced view range in order to promote more team cooperation

[solemn juniper]

The only need that needs buff is your chance to have a good take

[heavy viper]

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[queen briar]

We see edits

[heavy viper]

Mods can see the logs

[odd bay]

Mods can see edits

[glad trail]

Camo on an IS7 one of the most brawly heavy tanks in the game lol

[wooden lodge]

Thats expains why my teammates get ammoracked by tarans get 0 damage in heavy tanks

[abstract valley]

Its my tank and my money, so i want to keep it. I like how it looks, even if it does little. But not dire how effective it really is, doesn’t matter as my call.

[native elm]

Remember guys making a stealth build tank doesn't mean it's for camping it can also be for repositioning around flanks without being spotted

[odd bay]

We're talking about the equipment camo net

Not the appearance stuff

[odd bay]

Heavy tanks do not gain enough camo for that to be worth anything

[abstract valley]

I will sometimes use the camo net on heavies as a filler if i don’t have enough silver or just have a slot to fill and no other obvious choice. Also, i often like to take very long range shots at times and camo net does help a bit

[native elm]

Flanks aren't always close to eachother, this can also mean map flanking, taking more space to help the development of your team

Well taking detoured paths like driving through trees and bushes

Can definitely lower chances of getting spotted

[odd bay]

Not on heavies

Putting camo net on your heavy tank makes you an actual detriment to your team

[native elm]

Then that means having nothing on your tank makes you an even bigger detriment to your team🤷

[abstract valley]

I put camo on everything, so what. I like the look. Seems to me , germans used it on tiger 1 and 2 a many times. Why would they if it was no use and why would you be a detriment to team, if you live a little longer to fight?

[odd bay]

Camo Net has no physical appearance

[odd bay]

Okay? Avoiding the worst option by still picking a really bad option doesn't make the bad option okay 😂

If you can't afford equipment outside of camo net, you have bigger problems on your hands

[native elm]

It's not bad if you use it correctly, which you probably don't

[odd bay]

I definitely don't

You should explain to me how to use camo on my heavy tank

[abstract valley]

44000 games makes for cash management issues at times. But i like all my tanks to have a full load out.

[native elm]

Self explanatory

Just put Camo on and know that your chances of not being spotted are higher

[odd bay]

You mean higher

[native elm]

Oh

[loud vapor]

The difference between a heavy tank with and without camo net is genuinely at best 4 meter difference, it makes no actual difference in any meaningful gameplay, I think itd be fine to completely remove it as an option so people don't accidentally think its a good piece of equipment to use

[native elm]

No difference, yes difference, it's still a difference

[odd bay]

4 meters is the amount my tanks moves if I even tap the joystick

It literally does nothing

[loud vapor]

@odd bay look at his profile for one second

He is trolling

Bro actualy thinks someone can be that misguided

[heavy viper]

It is bad if used on the vast majority of heavies.

Using an example from earlier with the IS-7.
Still (camo net)
6.61% -> 6.94%
399.18 -> 379.22

Moving (improved concealment)
3.31% -> 3.39%
422.09 -> 411.53

[native elm]

Well I'm not lying

[loud vapor]

I'm sure you believe what you're saying because that's the key to rage baiting

You gotta at least believe what you're saying by a little bit lol

[odd bay]

He has a 45% winrate, I don't think he's joking

[heavy viper]

You will not notice a 10-20 meter concealment difference.

[native elm]

What? That's not my win rate

[loud vapor]

Dude his bio says goat of wot console

Doesn't that make it obvious

[native elm]

My bio doesn't get to determine the facts of Camo on heavy tanks

[odd bay]

I'm just gonna leave it on the note that I asked you to tell me how to use camo net and you couldn't do that correctly

After implying I was too stupid to know how

[native elm]

Here it's as simple as it gets

[native elm]

I didn't imply you were to stupid? I implied that you could teach yourself because it's self explanatory

[odd bay]

^

[native elm]

That implied wrong doing not dumb behaviour

[odd bay]

"If you use it correctly, which you probably don't."

You said it, not me 😂

[native elm]

That's wrong actions not behaviour

"If you use it correctly, which you probably don't." Means you don't use it right??

[odd bay]

And why would that be?

You said it yourself. It's self explanatory and easy, so if I can't use it right

That makes me...?

[native elm]

Well maybe that could be down to your play style

[odd bay]

This guy

You're funny

[heavy viper]

View range is better because it'll increase the range at what you spot enemies and doesnt rely on enemies not running camo equipment.

The Tiger 1 has 1.49/0.74% (423.28/401.95m) still/moving concealment.

When using camo net the camo will look like this
Still/Moving
423.28/401.95m -> 423.28/382m
1.49/0.74% -> 1.49/0.77%

With Advanced Concealment
Still/Moving
423.28/401.95 -> 412.69/391.90m
1.49/0.74% -> 1.52/0.75%

You will not see any practical difference with 20m/0.03% boost of still concealment with camo net, or a 10m/0.01% camo bonus with advanced concealment.

0 + 5% is still 0

[native elm]

Interesting

Then using camo equipment and view range equipment will make for a good tank

[heavy viper]

No

Camo equipment does nothing for heavies.

View range is fine

[native elm]

It's does 5% ?

[heavy viper]

Only camo net

Advanced concealment is 2.5%

[native elm]

Seems like enough

[heavy viper]

It isnt.

[native elm]

Well I sure am glad we have 2.5% instead of 0%

[heavy viper]

Camo net makes a 20m still camo difference. That isnt noticeable on the minimap.

[native elm]

Heavy tanks on mini maps are good unless you're on komarin

Only when on big maps the equipment will be active

[heavy viper]

And again, it wont be noticeable.

[native elm]

Actually it will be less noticeable

[heavy viper]

It wont.

[native elm]

Less noticeable doesn't mean a big difference or small difference it just means a difference

[heavy viper]

10m doesnt move the detection circle on the minimap. 20m is so small unless you are looking for it, you wont see it.

[heavy viper]

It does mean big difference.

Camo on heavies makes no difference.

Again, you are increasing the camo factor percentage by less than 1.

[native elm]

Well no Camo on a heavy also makes a difference

[heavy viper]

Thats right. It makes a difference because you are using better equipment.

Camo equipment on heavies does nothing.

[native elm]

It does something, which is why people use it

[heavy viper]

No, people use it because they do not understand the mechanics behind it.

Nor do they understand the math behind the increase.

[native elm]

All they know is that the Camo is helping and that's nice to hear

[heavy viper]

They are ignorant

Its a placebo

[native elm]

Well If it makes the morale of the player base stay strong then it's a keeper for the people, well serving it's side effects

[heavy viper]

Maybe I should put the camo factor percentage in context.
Camo factor percentages range from 0-100%.

[gray plover]

I wonder if it drives anyone away when they don't understand why they are getting stomped or have to constantly see their teammates running the worst equipment possible and sniping in a superheavy

[heavy viper]

It isnt serving any effect other than making a player waste money.

And also making the team weaker.

[native elm]

Well that depends on who you're versing

If they are using the equipment right or not

[heavy viper]

I can say I will stomp every heavy tank player who is using camo equipment 10 times out of 10.

They are using 50% of their equipment options.

2 slots instead of 4.

[native elm]

Not if there 3 marked like me :3

[heavy viper]

I can.

And will.

You are hampering your tank by using camo on a heavy tank.

[native elm]

You are also giving it 2.5% more Camo

[gray plover]

please tell me you arent running camo on that O-I exp

[native elm]

Sometimes

Are on wotstars?

[gray plover]

yes

[native elm]

Look were it got me on the leader board

[heavy viper]

Whats 1.49 + 2.5%?

[native elm]

I don't know tell me?

[heavy viper]

1.52.
Now whats 1.52 - 1.49?

[native elm]

A positive number?

[odd bay]

You only have the O-I Exp. 3 marked

And they're*

A tier 5 doesn't amount to much

[native elm]

Yes that's because that tank make 60% of all my battles

More than all my teir 10s combined

[heavy viper]

(It doesn't)

[native elm]

I 2 marked a strumpanzer in 1 day imagine what Id do if I played a game to grind it instead of playing it for fun

Like I do with the O-Iexp

[native elm]

Rough estimate

[heavy viper]

It isnt

Not even close.

[native elm]

What is it then?

[heavy viper]

Its about 13%

[native elm]

Well I guess it made 60% of my memories, because how good I was with it

[pale prism]

OK. I see what their trying to say now..

[odd bay]

Oh no, a tier 7

[native elm]

Yeah the ones that are matched up against teir 8s all the time, so the odds were against me but I still 2 marked it

So I was basically a tier 8 with 850 hp

[feral parrot]

Running camo on heavy,s is certainly a choice of all time

Literally a detriment to your team doing that

[odd bay]

😴

[native elm]

Does this make me a detriment if I occasionally run Camo equipment on O-IEXP

[feral parrot]

Fascinating anyways

[odd bay]

Once again

Tier 5

Accounts for nothing lol

You're competition by WN8 are 9 year olds grinding their first tank

[feral parrot]

You're literally putting camo on a super heavy my guy you ain't noticing any difference

Better off putting turbo rammer optics and maybe spall liner or something

[native elm]

Again I play this tank for fun

[native elm]

Yet I started last year and I still get top of O-Iexp

[feral parrot]

Also low tier,s are just bot central

[native elm]

I've posted videos of me getting first in teir 7 matches to make it so everyone doesn't just say a farmed bots

[feral parrot]

Congratulations being best in a +2match

But uh idk wth that has to do with this topic

[native elm]

I run stealth equipment on O-IEXP, so this is to show that there is more to being a heavy then blocking shots

[feral parrot]

Lmao

Literally no

Tell me where are you when playing th oi

[native elm]

All types of maps

[feral parrot]

Ment how your playing it because you know what the entire purpose of a super heavy is it's being in the front

[native elm]

I use the stock gun so I can also fire indirect shot at people to save my team from going out

[native elm]

And yes I also fullfill this purpose

I follow the snipe the same health as your tank before breaking though the frontlines rule

[odd bay]

That's not a rule 💀

[native elm]

If it's not a rule then I invented it

[odd bay]

There is a reason your stats at tier 10 are significantly lower than at tier 5

[feral parrot]

Not how the game works

Like at all

[native elm]

Because play teir 10s less?

[native elm]

I barely play 10s anymore, you can even check my account because I sold them all?
( If wot stars lets you check sold tanks)

[feral parrot]

So you primarily stay in low-mid tier,s

[native elm]

Yes 5 to 7s

[feral parrot]

Funny enough I used to do exactly the same way back

But now I just play cw

[native elm]

I also sold all my era 2 and 3 tanks just to have fun in era1

[feral parrot]

But anyways camo on a heavy tank honestly shouldn't be possible it literally doesn't help you or your team at all better off making you gun better or various defensive aspects better

[feral parrot]

Certainly a choice when era2 and especially era3 have the best silver earning tanks in the game

[native elm]

I just like the simplicity of era1

[odd bay]

That's not an excuse lol

[native elm]

It is if the last time I played one was last year or couple months ago

[glad trail]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[native elm]

Anyways camo on heavies will always have a down side and upside and we have to accept it

[heavy viper]

No

It doesnt have an up side

[glad trail]

Reminds me of when Raibot and Paingod were on stream and playing the Mauerbrecher with Binoculars and camo net

[native elm]

Happy people seems like an upside

[heavy viper]

They'd be just as happy if they ran 2 pieces of equipment instead of 4

[native elm]

With passive effects

A big misconception of Camo on heavies is that people only use 2 equipment slots, so tell me is this based on experience

[heavy viper]

Tell you what?

[native elm]

Do you run 2 stealth equipments?, because there is no way you just straight know what they have.
So this leads me to believe that you know this from experience

[odd bay]

Running binocs/camo net on a heavy is essentially using 2 slots

You can sit in spawn with your camo net, meanwhile I'll take map control and lock you in your spawn

[glad trail]

What benefit is there to running camo on a heavy to the damage reduction equipment and vents

You’re getting spotted anyway KEK

[native elm]

Another misconception is that camo heavies camp spawn

[heavy viper]

Binoculars is okay depending on the tank

[heavy viper]

Its an analogy.

[glad trail]

Yeah most do, otherwise its literally wasted slot

Why would you run binoculars or camo net on any heavy tank if you planned on fighting on the frontline

The tanks that actually have the balls to leave base will be spotting for you anyway

[heavy viper]

Using 2 pieces of camo equipment + 2 other equipment on a heavy tank is functionally the same as running with 2/4 of the equipment slots used.

[native elm]

Snipe your health then you breakthrough, so well you getting shot in at the ridgeline you don't get spotted as easily well using cover and tress pushed on top of eachother

Remember the Camo doesn't have to fit the tank it has to fit the environment

[heavy viper]

The camo equipment isnt making you harder to spot...

[native elm]

It is making it less harder

[heavy viper]

Thats how little difference it is making on tanks like the O-I exp.

[tough egret]

PC light tanks so much better had a taste of it on console when the t249 release and was then nerfed.....

[glad trail]

Players like this are why the e100 three mark is so low

All I can say is thank you, keep playing like that

[native elm]

When you talk about Camo do you take into account, crew ventilation, 5% increase to commander crew and premium rations because they help alot

And stealth commander crew perks? Because it seems like y'all forgot

[glad trail]

You’re still getting out spotted by literally anything that has half decent camo

You’re an OI exp 😂

[native elm]

The best one

[glad trail]

https://tenor.com/view/kingbluprint-gif-21436316

[feral parrot]

This has to be rage bait

[native elm]

No I'm just good at debating lol

[glad trail]

If it is then it’s not very good

[gray plover]

easiest way to compare it is to take a peak at the garage values you have with the build vs the ones on the tankopedia

[feral parrot]

Certainly amusing if anything

[glad trail]

Rage bait used to be believable

Claiming heavy tanks need camo net and binoculars is so stupid it’s not even in the realm of seriousness

10/10 bait m8

[native elm]

It's not rage bait guys I have a passion for Camo heavies

[feral parrot]

I could see a argument for binos on a heavy but literally zero utility for camo builds on one

[native elm]

I got the O-I EXP down to 390 Camo and I will send you all a screenshot

At 5pm of course

[heavy viper]

You didnt.

[feral parrot]

The inverse of this ideology would be a trying to make a brawler build for a arty or something goofy

[native elm]

I will prove it

At 5 pm

[native elm]

Using these mechanics

[heavy viper]

O-I Exp. With no equipment, crew, camo or consumables.

[native elm]

No with the mechanics

[heavy viper]

O-I Exp. with born leader, camouflage expertise, camo net, advanced camouflage, vents, food, and camo applied.

[glad trail]

That’s still awful

[feral parrot]

Rip not even sub 400m concealment

[native elm]

Have you guys heard of tree and bush mechanics

[odd bay]

While you do that, I've taken a vital map position and you are now going to get farmed in spawn. Gg

[native elm]

The more trees you push on top of each other the more stealth you become

[glad trail]

So anyway guys I like to run damage reduction equipment on my light tanks and reinforced internals

Because light tanks are supposed to brawl and fight up close range

[feral parrot]

I run a ramming build on my t92 hmc

[glad trail]

Don’t tell me any different

[glad trail]

Meta

[native elm]

Ridgeline is the front of the front and side line not spawn

[feral parrot]

Indeed

[feral parrot]

Nobody will expect a brawler arty

[glad trail]

Yeah great

If only you had good camo and not 390 meters 😂

Then it might mean something

[heavy viper]

He doesnt even have 390m

[feral parrot]

Until he fires

Then boom detected

Then obliterated

[native elm]

You missed some

[spark orbit]

Only Vk 30.01 H really.

[heavy viper]

What did I miss. Tell me.

[feral parrot]

That is really more of a medium anyways

[native elm]

The other stealth perk for when behind bushes :3

At the frontline of course

[heavy viper]

That doesn't effect your still camo value on the garage

[feral parrot]

Congratulations at absolute best it goes from 422m down to like 370m in a very specific situation if even that

[native elm]

See I told you guys

[feral parrot]

The moment you fire your screwed

[heavy viper]

That is assuming the enemy has 0m view range

[gray plover]

I love how we went from camo doesn't mean camping to bush camp build O-I exp

[native elm]

Reminder what that build did

[glad trail]

Not even that

He will get out detected by almost anything regardless

[gray plover]

I want the minecraft achievement for "How did we get here?" After reading all this

[feral parrot]

Basically what it feels like ngl

[glad trail]

Farming low tiers isn’t anything to be proud of

Pretty sure I could run an oi exp with no equipment at all and get top 5

[native elm]

As I said I have videos of dominating teir 7 matches

Alot of time

Mostly screenshots

[glad trail]

Pizza4Geoff won’t like this

And AskJontosForOntos

[feral parrot]

If for some ridiculous reason you're actually about "stealth heavy,s" them try it on idk smaller vehicles might actually pull something off

[native elm]

Dominating teir 7 matches with the O-Iexp being a tier 5!

[glad trail]

Tier 7’s must have been afk or something

[feral parrot]

Or bots

Likely the case

[native elm]

I do this to with ELC bis amx

[glad trail]

An OI exp never bothered me even when I was trash at this game

[heavy viper]

Its bots.

[feral parrot]

Um yeah that makes sense because it's a light tank

Scouting and camo is thier thing

[native elm]

I've beaten a tiger 1 and tiger p in a 1v1 so not bots

[glad trail]

Makes sense cause they can’t even spot you 100m in the open firing at them

[feral parrot]

You know how you can tell instantly if it's a bot or not

[native elm]

2 teir above

Yes?

[feral parrot]

Because a real player in either would easily rip you apart

[feral parrot]

How do you tell if it's a bot or not because ik exactly how

[glad trail]

At the very least spot him to get him lit up by everything else

[native elm]

Not with my premium rounds and ramming capabilities

[feral parrot]

And trust me I play cw coop a lot

Im very aware of names of bots

[native elm]

Yes I know all the bots when I see them

[glad trail]

I didn’t realise the OI exp could ram anything it takes 10 business days to move anywhere

[heavy viper]

Hes not ramming anything because hes 400m away in some bush

[odd bay]

If you're frontlining, then you don't need camo

[feral parrot]

I mean in theory a super heavy should be unmatched in ramming damage but can't generally because slow af

[odd bay]

Seems like you figured it out yourself

[glad trail]

The bots must be driving into him XD

[native elm]

This is rage bait I said I attack at frontline well sniping from ridgeline

In bushes

[glad trail]

https://tenor.com/view/bilizz-gif-16660729688486425416

[feral parrot]

Peaking hills is one thing

But deliberately trying to play like a light tank is beyond asinine

[odd bay]

That's a bot

A Tiger I or Tiger P is rolling the O-I in a 1v1 unless he's already on 150 hp

[feral parrot]

Long 88mm go brr

The armor the oi exp has won't do anything

[heavy viper]

Even the short 88 wins with standard

[feral parrot]

Lol yep

Heck the long 50mm with apcr will

[odd bay]

When I 1 shot 2 O-I Exp with the Sturmpanzer, I thought to myself

"Why weren't they running camo?"

[native elm]

No I'm first for a reason not hard for me?

[feral parrot]

The oi exp has similar armor to the kv1

[native elm]

But more effective

[feral parrot]

Which is a heavy id rather play

And miles more mobile

[glad trail]

If I played low tiers I’d overtake that with zero equipment

But I don’t play below tier 8

Cause it’s too easy

[spark orbit]

Eh if it's any distant it won't. The 5cm L60 has bad pen drop off

[feral parrot]

True

[native elm]

No below teir 8 just has some unexplainable feeling that I like

[feral parrot]

But generally speaking it still will easily kill it

[odd bay]

Wait until this youngin sees my Needle gameplay

[loud vapor]

As the objectively best player in this chat camo net on heavies is a net negative and literally any other equipment would be more efficient

[spark orbit]

But yea this thread while adjacent to the original topic has gone quite a bit away from the original topic I suppose.

[feral parrot]

Would be more effective to not run any equipment

[native elm]

Challenge me

I rip you to peices

[odd bay]

98% of this message is true

[heavy viper]

I will.

[loud vapor]

Where

[feral parrot]

Bold statement cotton let's see if it pans out

[heavy viper]

I will set an alarm to wake up for a 1v1.

[native elm]

I will use a tank 2 teirs below you depending on how good you are

[feral parrot]

Annihilate him clown on him

[spark orbit]

There is some debate against the track durability equipment for some Heavies over a camo net. The environment fall damage is just too meh.

[odd bay]

Alright

You pick the Tiger II

[heavy viper]

Give me a time

[odd bay]

I got my E5 ready

[feral parrot]

Deliberately playing at a disadvantage is a crazy strategy ngl

[native elm]

At 5pm

[feral parrot]

Ill bring my bz-176

[native elm]

Australian time, what ever that is in America

[odd bay]

T29 vs. O-1 Exp.

[glad trail]

I’ll bring my lol tractor

[odd bay]

You sit in a bush and bounce off the turret the whole game

[heavy viper]

In how many hours from now

[odd bay]

💀

[feral parrot]

Ill to make it fair my t1 heavy

Or t14

[native elm]

7 hours

[feral parrot]

Bruh

[glad trail]

Yeah even HE from the OI would leave the chat

[spark orbit]

Arguably the best choice would be the FCM F1 since he be pretty much invincible

[feral parrot]

Actually bring a td and show him what Actual camo looks like

[native elm]

HE can pen this

[feral parrot]

Lmao no

Even after it's nerf

Still no

It's weakest armor is now 80mm I believe

[native elm]

With the arc the gun has it will land on top

[feral parrot]

Bold assumption

[spark orbit]

Talking about the T7

[feral parrot]

Oh the fcmf1 rip

[heavy viper]

Alarm set.

[feral parrot]

If tier7,s are viable then shiii might need to bring my hellcat

90mm gun brrr

[native elm]

I have teir 9s also to shake things up

[spark orbit]

Now that the grudge match there is planned can we go back to the debate on the option of choice for the use of a debatable useless / extremely niche equipment choice for almost all heavies?

[glad trail]

Nah he will outspot you in the EXP

[glad trail]

Camo net too OP on heavies

[feral parrot]

Ikr im completely cooked

If he wants to be so confident ill also bring my stealth us td commander along

Won't have a chance in hell of fighting back

[spark orbit]

You joke but the OI exp does have 10m better VR and like 5m better still camo than the FCM.
Oh wait hellcat. Nvm

[feral parrot]

Oi exp absolutely doesn't have better base camo then the tier7 hellcat

[glad trail]

Than a Hellcat?

Since when with the camo

https://tenor.com/view/drugs-gif-26893586

[feral parrot]

My tank could be a flaming wreckage and still has better concealment

[glad trail]

Don’t fent and tank kids

[heavy viper]

Anyway, heavies should not get access to camo equipment because it is
A) piece of equipment that has almost no benefits to the class
B) hurts the team and player because they are using less equipment than the other players who have 4 other pieces of equipment
C) wastes players money (silver) thinking they are improving something that they are infact not improving

(Only for WWII)
While I dont think any heavies should use it, in CW they recieve a 5-10% boost.

[feral parrot]

In my opinion camo equipment shouldn't even be usable on heavy,s

Like stabs on majority of td,s

[odd bay]

Interesting

[sick elk]

Anyone that is half decent can go pub stomp in a tier 5 heavy. I would not be surprised if any of the decent players in the game could easily beat these stats if they felt like it

[native elm]

Not the case

[sick elk]

Want to bet?

[native elm]

If that was the case every O-Iexp would have 3 marks?

[sick elk]

Not how that works

[native elm]

Logic says so

[odd bay]

Logic and reading says you are wrong

He said "any decent player"

[native elm]

How Soo?

[odd bay]

Not "any player"

Also marks are literally %, so it's impossible for everyone to have it

[native elm]

Implying that everyone is below average ig

[odd bay]

????

[native elm]

Just make a new thread to trash on me in

[odd bay]

Not what I said

We're saying your WN8 in an O-I Exp. is meaningless because it is a tier 5 superheavy

Superheavies are known for being better for noobs first of all due to higher hp

And your stats are compared against a 9 year old grinding his first line

[native elm]

Dominating teir 7 matches is still a sign of skill mate

[odd bay]

Anecdotal

We don't know if that's true

We also don't know if you farm bots

[native elm]

I posted videos?

[eager mauve]

Of course! Im not going to use it, but let people decide that for them self.

[odd bay]

No, WG should encourage people to try to perform better

[heavy viper]

It should be treated like how TDs cant use stabs.

[eager mauve]

Ok. Sorry! Is it ok If I use binos on a medium?

[odd bay]

Yes?

[heavy viper]

Id say its fine.

[sick elk]

Not optimal, but still reasonable

[patent ore]

Its not

Camo net and binocs on heavies is a liability😂🙏

[heavy viper]

As he learned last night, any camo benefits aren't doing anything for him.
In 3/5 of matches we played, he got out spotted every time.
Only times where he didnt get out spotted it was at the same time.

[native elm]

No I switched to my ramming equipment

That's why I took ages to pick my tank

[gray plover]

proving the impact of the camo build... by not running it.

[native elm]

IrrumatioComics proved the stealth build was good when we played our first match on this new jungle map

[heavy viper]

I wasnt using camo

[native elm]

View range Maxxing?

[heavy viper]

• born leader

I was running a 2 skill crew for all the O-I exp games.

[native elm]

I was running my ram and mobility equipment and crew

[odd bay]

Ram build in the tank that goes 30

Interesting choice

[feral parrot]

30 is optimistic

Probably never sees that 98% of the time lmao

[native elm]

Use to go 36km