toxic dragon
I was wondering if you could improve the Sturmtiger on the console, not as strong as the one in the picture, but increase its penetration or even replace the HE with a HEAT Premium round. 280mm of penetration for a tier 10 anti-tank, especially with HEAT rounds, ends up making the tank somewhat weak. What do you think of the idea?
The sturmtiger in the photo is the one that's at WOT RU.
red hinge
Sturm is fine as is
toxic dragon
Sturm is fine as is
Do you have the sturmtiger?
red hinge
Do you have the sturmtiger?
Yes, I have every tier 10 except the Cano
toxic dragon
Yes, I have every tier 10 except the Cano
So tell me why don't you want a buff? The tank will be better but you don't want that ?
red hinge
So tell me why don't you want a buff? The tank will be better but you don't want...
Like I said, the tank is good in its current state. It is already capable of things that no other tank can accomplish. It does not need a buff.
raven arch
In its current state... is it decent that the tank barely penetrates anything?
Let's face it, a heat round doesn't help much, especially with such low penetration. Not to mention, I think it would be interesting if it had the base damage of the old FV 183 and 4005 rounds.
clear edge
I was wondering if you could improve the Sturmtiger on the console, not as stron...
No buff should be needed on the sturm, its already got a scary gun
red hinge
In its current state... is it decent that the tank barely penetrates anything?
280 standard pen is one of the highest in the game and if thats not enough, you have HE that splashes for 6-900 damage.
We dont need old 183mm damage. There is a reason it was removed.
toxic dragon
280 standard pen is one of the highest in the game and if thats not enough, you ...
So you're telling me that the Sturmtiger, with 280mm of penetration, which is already bad for a Tier X anti-tank weapon, with a 385ms speed in HEAT mode (SLOW), without proper armor, not-so-good accuracy, and which would lose to most anti-tanks of its tier, is fine as it is?
Even Bar the tier 9 has more penetration
With more velocity
red hinge
I am saying that the Sturmtiger, with 13m splash radius, the highest in the game, with 1700 alpha HE and a shell arc to shoot over ridgelines, with good frontal armor and decent mobility, is in fact fine as is, yes.
raven arch
280 standard pen is one of the highest in the game and if thats not enough, you ...
Realy?
Do you compare them to high-caliber tanks? They are far superior in penetration; even the 183 only has 310mm.
toxic dragon
I am saying that the Sturmtiger, with 13m splash radius, the highest in the game...
Good armor ???? With that tiger 1 chassis
raven arch
I am saying that the Sturmtiger, with 13m splash radius, the highest in the game...
It's a shield that only works against tier 8 armor, because it's useless against tier X armor.
red hinge
Also the Bar gun is broken. It really shouldnt have AP on a gun of that caliber, the only reason its not widely considered a problem is because the average player cannot deal with the platform.
toxic dragon
I am saying that the Sturmtiger, with 13m splash radius, the highest in the game...
The HE I agree but I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the heat ,take out the premium HE and put a Premium Heat
red hinge
Good armor ???? With that tiger 1 chassis
Its not Tiger armor.
toxic dragon
The lower glace it is really bad
red hinge
Most tanks lower plates are bad. Hide it
toxic dragon
Sure , hide that big lower plate besides they can pen you canon and other things in your "strong" frontal armor
languid locust
280 standard pen is one of the highest in the game and if thats not enough, you ...
Factor in normalization and 280 heat is coming out roughly equal to a 260 pen AP round or 270 pen APCR round against anything that isnt angled at <5 degrees. Its really nothing special in the pen department, putting it about on par with most tier 10 mediums. Unlike those mediums though; its working with the spaced armor modifier for chemical ammo, low shell speed, low accuracy, and off a pretty restricted platform that doesnt have access to a 310mm+ chemical or kinetic premium round.
I think something like a 315mm pen Heat option is pretty reasonable at the least
limber geode
Yeah Kellen is absolutely cooked after that one
red hinge
The only thing cooked are these suggestions
toxic dragon
The only thing cooked are these suggestions
You are the cooked one here
languid locust
I really dont think giving an anti structure siege mortar pen equivalent to a 105mm recoiless rifle (T114 BAT) while keeping the rest of its flaws is cooked (ik realism is a bad argument but we are talking a heat round that could get through 2.5m of reinforced concrete vs an M40 which can get about .8m through the same). In my opinion it needs reworked to give it some more purpose compared to the 183s but I would settle for making its heat round at least a bit more usable
red hinge
It already has purpose by not requiring line of sight thanks to its arc and splash.
languid locust
its neat but it isnt exactly a thrilling use of time in our short games. The effective dpm if you find yourself in circumstances where splashing around cover is you best option is not great. Assuming the target isnt running spall liner and you are splashing from a range of lets say 3m while the closest thinnest plate is 40mm effective thick you are averaging 607 damage at a whopping 1176 base dpm.
red hinge
its neat but it isnt exactly a thrilling use of time in our short games. The eff...
Well, if I miss by 3m in every other tank I have 0 DPM...
Also spall liner is useless against a sturm. It is only effective against low caliber, low splash guns
languid locust
Sturm is fine as is
Knocks off a little less than 20 damage but figured I would include the mention for completeness
Sorry replied wrong message dunno how it did that
Basically what I am pointing at is that splash damage isn't really threatening or efficient enough to justify a poor penetrating option
red hinge
I simply disagree.
languid locust
Could you explain it a little more? I dont see why the Sturmtiger taking ~2 minutes to kill an equal tier medium around cover means its penetrating round needs to be so poor
red hinge
Its 280 pen. Thats not poor. Also 1300 alpha.
languid locust
Well I think I'll leave you to it since this is clearly just going to go in circles
distant slate
I am saying that the Sturmtiger, with 13m splash radius, the highest in the game...
I wouldnt say it has good frontal armor tbf
Id go as far and say it has the least effective armor for any of the tier 10 casemade TDs.
azure fog
Id go as far and say it has the least effective armor for any of the tier 10 cas...
Ho-Ri 3
distant slate
Ho-Ri 3
Nah. Its more effective.
It cant be penned by tier 8 standard on the super structure
kindred epoch
It cant be penned by tier 8 standard on the super structure
Heck even on a ridge that thing is nasty.
clear edge
The only thing cooked are these suggestions
For real
limber geode
It cant be penned by tier 8 standard on the super structure
Isn’t the sturmtigers gun barrel a giant weak spot?
distant slate
Isn’t the sturmtigers gun barrel a giant weak spot?
Kindanotreally?
limber geode
I thought I remembered being able to just shoot straight into its gun barrel for easy damage
distant slate
Yesandno
valid hemlock
Sturm is fine, its a meme tank. And if u buff it, it can be rly toxic
tranquil escarp
Sturm is fine, its a meme tank. And if u buff it, it can be rly toxic
trvth nvke
it’s already basically a stronger T92 HMC with direct fire and decent armor