Tier 11

[mellow otter]

Did you guys pretend to bring the tier 11 to console?

[outer halo]

It's called cold war

[mellow otter]

You know it's not the same thing

The tier 11 has much more mechanics

[deep lava]

So Era 1 without true vision?

[summer girder]

CW with a mode to not have T.V. would be awesome...

[granite dove]

No, wwII with tanks that arent in cold war, preferably the tier 11 tanks from pc which have unqiue abilities that make them tier 11

[silver oasis]

I would prefer tier 11s get added as tier 10s without special abilities

[granite dove]

I feel that defeats the whole purpose of tier 11s though?

I want the bz 79 with its liquid cooling rockets

Or the hacker with its stabiliser ability

Or the Hirschkäfer (as bad as it is) with its gun that amps up damage over time and its execution passive ability

The kr 1 with its insane ram damage aswell

All these are fun and engaging ways to get people playing more

Without the abilities, there just over tuned tier 10's with no soul

The abilities are what make them tier 11, otherwise they may aswell just be tier 10s with good stats

[silver oasis]

That's the point?

I think they are cool models and like the idea behind them, I don't like the whole special ability per tier 11

You will eventually run out of abilities 😂

[granite dove]

Why would someone apart of the playerbase not want the developers to expand to longevity of the game? Tier 11 has been very well received on pc and they've announced tier 12 is in the pipeworks

[silver oasis]

^

[granite dove]

I mean thats just saying you have no creativity lol

Purely a subjective statement

[silver oasis]

There are 115 tier 10s

[granite dove]

Premium wont count for starters

Any tech tree with multiple tanks would most likely get 1 tier 11

IE s conq,chief,215b

Definitely not 115

If pc were to make a tier 10 for every tier 10, it would be 66 tier 11's

Thats including tech trees with multiple tanks

If you only made 1 tier 11 for tech trees with multiple tier 10's that number drops into the 50's

[silver oasis]

50 unique abilities is kinda insane

[granite dove]

PC is making it happen? Whats consoles excuse

[silver oasis]

Just because PC does something does not make it good

They've made a dozen so far?

[granite dove]

Dude look at people's reviews on tier 11 tanks

The majority of the community is all for it

They love that something new and different is in the game

[silver oasis]

That doesn't mean it's good long term

[granite dove]

18

[silver oasis]

I also don't like the idea that all the tier 10s I've grinded for are just suddenly not top tier

[granite dove]

Once again purely speculative? Theres no proof behind these statements dude, from looking at evidence of tier 11's existing, people massively enjoy them.

[granite dove]

Fear of innovation right here dude

We wont get tier 11 anytime soon anyways, it would probably require to much manpower from the devs for console to implement there unique abilities.

Were still behind on 4+ tech trees from pc anyways

[silver oasis]

I would really like to see you make 50 tank abilities that actually make coherent sense

And then make more for years to come

[granite dove]

I mean we have 18 we can put in straight away

Then id imagine wargaming pc has a dedicated team of people who think and develop ideas for tier 11 abilities

Can't just ask some random guy to do what wargaming has an entire team working on lol

[outer cypress]

We cant get the mechanic for wheeled vehicles even when its already in game on PC so i think the features for those T11 are not possible here.
Programming an ability for one tank each, is not sth that will happen i think

I would like some of those tanks even without the feature

[granite dove]

Yeah, some of the tanks could be added into the game but definitely not all of them, the taschenratte comes to mind for a good addition to the game without its feature

[sly marsh]

I share this sentiment.

[burnt marsh]

This thread is a microcosm of the player problem with this game.

[silver oasis]

You do that all on your own 🙂

[final goblet]

To be clear, PC also does not have wheeled mechanics beyond the original French ones. They do not have the tech to make wheeled vehicles either. The rest of the "wheeled" vehicle they released are tanks with visual wheels where the tracks are. (Like you see with our recently released Dual Battery, Moldmaster Mk 1, and all of the various Toy Tanks)

[outer cypress]

OK, still they have one for the french right ? and we on console cant get it to work.
I am happy we get the Polish TD mechanic soon, i hope for the dual Track on Yoh tanks in the future and barrel cooling from the japan Heavies even when i think not going to happen.
But i am 99% sure that the T11 mechanics are not possible with how small the team is because it takes years to implement just one mechanic so doing 15+ different ones is out of the question

[final goblet]

The French ones on PC were made when a tool existed, but the tool only worked for a single version and then PC wasn't able to make anymore. We had to hand build them without any tool support.

And correct on the other part, our team size is small so maybe 1 or 2 things a year really.

[outer cypress]

I am sorry but are you saying a multi million (or even Billion) company like WoT PC loses a tool and has no back up of previous programs and server versions?.
if so thats beyond ahem yes, because they could bring out even more wheeled premium vehicles in the future with the mechanic.

[final goblet]

It wasn't lost, it only worked in a specific server version. We have to remake tools with every update to work within the new versions and that particular one, due to the complexities of the physic system, could not be.

[outer cypress]

ok i have to be honest no clue about programming but for me as an outsider that sounds like an sub optimal solution.
like working in a restaurant and everytime bring a new dish onto the menu you have to reprogram every coffee maker and cooker

[final goblet]

Welcome to game development 😄

Its not an easy thing sometimes.

[granite dove]

Could it be possible to get a option on the ebr line to swap the wheels to ones that function like tracks then?

So players can decided which way they want to play the tech tree

[spark bay]

I'd argue that it not be an option and instead just be done like that for everyone.

Unfortunately, the line is not popular due to how difficult they are to drive, and giving them "normal" physics would help fix that.

Sure, they will lose some of that uniqueness, but seeing how that's actively hindering them I'd argue it's not worth keeping.

[granite dove]

Thats why i suggest it be an option, so the uniqueness of the line is still there for anyone who wants to play them that way

Even if it feels awful to play

No point deleting a feature right?

[spark bay]

We've practically deleted auto-siege for the same reason, so I am personally all for it.

No point keeping a feature very few actually like in my opinion

[glad salmon]

I wouldn’t mind making our wheeled vehicles appear to be wheeled but with track physics to make them playable and then add more

[granite dove]

The tanks that had there siege mode changed from auto to manual still kept there siege mode it was just swapped to the better version, still keeping there unqiue siege mode abilities.

All im saying is as janky and unfun the wheeled tanks feel to play, theres no point in just deleting a already implemented mechanic (as unoptomised as it is)

Unless it had to be done to give the ebr track functionality

Then thats fair game

[spark bay]

It would probably have to be done. If memory serves, you couldn't have a tank with either siege mode for the same reason

[burnt marsh]

Can we take the wheeled discussion to another thread? It's interesting and would like to see it discussed more but even though Max took us down the tangents, would hate to see people getting blowed up for unnecessary and unhelpful comments to the original post.

[meager bison]

The physics are really bad on the EBRs, what bothers me as well is the optical bug that the. Wheels turn way to far in the fast mode which just looks weird

[vagrant fog]

The go on topic again. I would love to see the tier 11 tanks in WW2 mode in some way. In the end we do not need to stop at tier 10 in WW2 mode you can easily bring them in if you balance them around tier 10 gameplay.

[hard cliff]

Add special abilities to tier 10

[lone cliff]

The only "abilities" I want are tanks with built-in equipment, and maybe some that augment some already existing mechanics. I dont want them for specific tanks, I want it for tank lines.

[vagrant fog]

I also do not find the abilities important to come to console. The tanks themselves are what i want to see. That said i also agree that specific tank lines need abilities to be different like the yoh tanks.

[lone cliff]

Id also like to see some of the German heavy lines get reworked and most of them get down tiered.

The Maus and E 100 aren't really tier 10 material anymore.

[silver flume]

i would say all era though.. it ruined the game in my opinion..

[burnt marsh]

Just to note that they can use many of the Halloween special skills. PC looks to adding the Bellerophon's push.

Can't wait to see PC add the spider tank crush. I may start a PC account solely for that purpose. 😆

[stiff axle]

bring +1 -1 mm and tier 11, and tier 9 will be worthy tier to play again.

[granite dove]

If tier 11 got added and so did 1+ -1, tier 11 would only fight tier 10, which means alot of tier 10 lobbies cant have tier 9 tanks because of tier 11 taking tier 10, which would create a daisy chain, this would definitely make some tiers hard to get games in.

I would love to see tier 9 be top tier more often though, would make them actually feel good rather than constant tier 10 games

[stiff axle]

i mean t10 would fight only t9 if +1 -1 got added.

[granite dove]

So what would tier 11 fight if added?

[stiff axle]

t10 performs so good already that t11 wouldn’t be issue for them.

[granite dove]

Yes but tier 11 would steal all tier 10 games

So tier 10 would always be bottom tier

Youd have 2 tier 11's taking 13 other tier 10 tanks out of the matchmaking pool for tier 9 tanks

Thats not very fun

[stiff axle]

i mean t10 has access to things that other tiers doesn’t, 183mm guns for example. t10-11 is way better than t9-10.

[granite dove]

This would just be a net negative for tier 10, I know you feel tier 10 is op, but forcing them into matchmaking with tier 11 most of the time with +1 -1 is not the type of gameplay thats going to have people wanting to play the game.

The only people who would benefit from this is people who like to mark their tanks, as there would be more health in the game.

The casual tier 10 player will fall over fighting their own tier and will most definitely complain about being bottom tier most games with no tier 9's to even it out.

[stiff axle]

fair enough.

[shy sierra]

we have cw and they have tier 11, lets keep it that way

[true geode]

I have multiple tier 10s but would still like to see tier 11 in ww2. Personally I think it could help revive ww2 and bring old players back. Some people prefer ww2 mechanics over the CW mechanics

😂 actually 👎 someone for a different opinion. I don't know why anyone would object to adding more depth to the game. I get not adding the special abilities but not wanting more tanks

[strange galleon]

I'm for and against it, for because more tanks will be added, not for because they have yet to update tech tree for Independants in cw and remotely give eastern alliance tanks decent buffs era 2 needs armor added to meds and heavies, there's tier 10s that are downright bad to use and need love.

[analog parcel]

That whole thing is a huge mess imo

PC doesn’t get CW
Console doesn’t get tier 11

If both games were available on PC and console it would be fine, because then you could just choose which game you prefer but obviously we are well past the realm of that ever happening

[silver oasis]

Yes, I downvoted you because I disagree with you and don't have the time to reply to every message I disagree with so instead I downvote, are you new to this? I'm fine with adding the tanks as tier 10s, I do not want tier 11s

[sly marsh]

He’s not alone on this. I disagree with you too, but I’ve said my piece already early in the thread and felt that was enough.

The idea of tier 11s is a lot more grey than you think it is because there are a bunch of players in the community with varying opinions on the idea of T11. and on top of that, unlike PC we have (2) separate game modes with CW already having a PC T11 in the mode and there hasn’t been any huge complaints about it being placed there.

[deep lava]

it would be devastating for Tier 9. It already gets Tier 10 a lot and then get even stronger Tier 11's. If anything, WG could make WWII actually WWII, stop at January 1946 with tanks actually in made.

[granite dove]

Which tank in cw is a tier 11 on pc? BZT 70? Because thats a tier 11 on lesta servers and would be better off as the tier 10 it is on normal pc. Lesta tanks will never see the light of console ever in the state they release them. Too op or they have a unique mechanic people would hate too much (APFSDS mechanic)

[true geode]

You have missed my point spectacularly. You do not need to reply. You have made your point and I have made mine. Comments like 'are you new to this' further back up my point that your replies aren't strengthening your arguement but undermining other peoples

[true geode]

I am not going to keep replying to these but you have at least made a valid point rather than just trying to undermine someone else's opinion.

The CW mechanics are completely different to WW2. You can spot people across the map without being in view range. The game play is significantly faster pace due to tanks being that much more op. Adding additional layers past tier 10 would allow those who have already invested significant time into lines they enjoy, additional time playing towards other fun tanks

[true geode]

I get your point here but Tier 8 currently suffers this issue far worse. Bit of a sliding scale 😕 sucks because there will always be a tier that is naturally at more of a disadvantage. Very interesting point about making ww2 only ww2. Maybe the compromise would be to have a tier system from 10 onwards that includes more prototype tanks..

[deep lava]

I have around 135 Tier 8’s, of which 125 are Premium tanks (my old $$$ makers). I have 18 Tier 9’s , 11 are premiums that don’t make money, 7 I haven’t bothered putting equipment on. 19 Tier 10’s, 14 are Premiums, 3 are Mercs, all don’t make money. So from Tier 9 up no tanks get silver earn rate above 100%. Currently I don’t use any of the any of these tanks in PvP unless I can use a PMM tank for a Contract.Why would anyone want to play WWII mode with another Tier above Tier 10. Players who actually like Tier 10 complain regularly about to many Bots, Tier II would just add more.

[silver oasis]

Didn't undermine anything. I disagreed with you, downvoted, and YOU felt the need to make it into a big deal

[analog parcel]

[vagrant fog]

The players who complain about bots are playing in a dead time zone in the wrong server! I play daily on Eu and i have never had bot games in WW2 in any tier above tier 6. So adding tier 11 would be a great idea. For those who say but we have cold war already oh please if you like WW2 then CW just sucks that is why cw is filled with bots and the few who do play it only know how to take a 2 minute train ride every single match.
To the people who panic that tier 10 would be always bottom or mid tier. I say tier X has always bin top tier it had its run… Tier X’s are more then strong enough to handle tier 11 just look at PC there players do not feel bad in there tier X’s so why would you need to? And we know tier 11 here would probably not get any special mechanics as the devs would not even know how to make them…

[analog parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-jing-liu-jing-star-rail-honkai-star-rail-gif-5566230999629861886

[granite dove]

I mean no offense, but you have 19 tier 10's, 17 of which arent tech tree. You obviously dont play tier 10 on the same level as the 135 tier 8 tanks, the m47 black and t249 also has a silver earner rate above 100% at tier 10, with the m47 premium skins further amplifying this earn rate.

Secondly you say you dont use these tanks in pvp unless using preferential matchmaking, i.e tier 8 as most tier 9 tanks and all tier 10 tanks dont have PMM, yet you comment on people complaining about bot lobbies at high tier lol. Maybe because the only time you step out of co-op is to play a tank that limits your matchmaking dude, i almost exclusively play tier 10 and bot lobbies are not an issue when im not playing on off hours.

I feel like your the least qualified guy to ask why anyone would "want to play WWII mode with another tier above tier 10"

Its also impossible to tell how tier 11 would effect bot lobbies at higher tier, it could potentially lead to more people picking back up tier 10 tanks or start grinding more tech trees to get to the new tier 11 branches and id imagine would also have players who dont play as frequently or even quit the game come back to try the brand new tier 11 tanks. Obviously the opposite also applies to this.

[true geode]

Agreed. There was a group of 10 of us that used to play religiously but gave up when we got the majority of the tier 10s or completed all the lines we wanted to complete. They all said they was redownloading tanks when I said I think there are 16 new tier 11s coming out.. such a shame it's only PC

[shy sierra]

i dont want no fantasy tier 11s making tier 10 obsolete

[deep lava]

No offense taken. Even before CW took away players from WWII mode, I had decided Tier 10 was for me, meaningless. If I want big guns and armour in 2026 I play Era 1. After 7 years, the +/-2 MM kills everything from Tier 5 to 10, especially now. I think I have every PMM tank to muck around above Tier 5. My thoughts about Tier 11 are based upon why I don't bother with most of my Tier 8's. I see zero reason to play most battles as cannon fodder for Tier 10. Logically Tier 9 would become the "new Tier 8" i.e. most battles would be auto aim kills for Tier 11. I couldn't guess what the impact would be on MOE's. But there would be more Bots just due to another Tier added to the MM.

[silver oasis]

I have like 110 tier 10s now and even I don't like tier 11. Also, just because you don't see bots doesn't mean the rest of us don't. I get bots at 5pm on NA, and I can't play EU

Tier 11 has no interest to me

The tank models are cool and I think would make great new tier 10 lines and whatnot

[lucid badger]

With cold war being around, I doubt tier 11 is ever coming to console, they just consider cold war as tier 11-13 for some reason

[spark bay]

I'd argue that anything suitable for tier XI should be added to the game as either a tier X or as an Era 2, depending on the vehicle.

[analog parcel]

I think tier 11 would be good. Because they could move the cracked 10’s up there too

Like the Rogal

[meager bison]

They could just nerf them😅 no tier 11 needed

[sly marsh]

I would be okay with nerfs to bring them down to 10s.