#Super heavy re work changes

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fast cape
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Recently i have found that super heavys are completely out dated so me and a friend of mine came up with a concept idea.

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So instead of them just being ... meat shields they can get a keep there current speed but give them a lot more armor and a lot better guns like more pen and damage but, make there reloads A LOT slower but giving a bit more HP but then nerfing the concealment and view range and spotting range.

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This is would make super heavy players stick with there team instead of driving off on there own and this goes both ways so then people stick with the superheavy.

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So they would be VERY strong if buy a team but get punished if they drive off alone since they have bad reload and spotting and view range they would pretty easly get taken on.

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Tanks I believe that should be changed to this would be like, E100 line, maus line, type 5 line, panzercamfgh Vll line, rogal and vk 72 maybe the is4 or 705a line either or probably 705 since its heavyer.

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But to balance from them to get to many on a team they should be changed to the "super heavy class" maybe 4 stripes as the symbol or a diamond that had 4 lines to make 4 diamonds. Maybe at most 3 on a team

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3 or 2

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They should still get weak spots but there normal amor should be enough to block most gold,

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For the is4 maybe like 3000hp and 705a at 3200 hp e100 and rogal and vk and the panzer Vll to be at 3500 and the maus and 3750

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This to me would make them a little more of a actual threat but less of a threat alone

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This would keep your maus and type 5 plays form charging up and acting like there a threat

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Change the type 5 tho so it cant spam HE with the derp gun change it so it get less splash but a standard Ap round so its less annoying

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This would help with the new camping metta the super heavys being able to push the camping mediums and tank destroys that are camping in the back

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Arty would actually have a very good use to kill them when in a good spot

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Them having even worse concealment and view range so scout tanks can easily spot then and tds can still kill them but letting the super heavys get closer would make the tds have a harder time

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This is basic concept idea if you dont like it its fine just throwing a idea on the field to see if people would like it possiblely.

karmic meadow
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i like this

humble fable
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3200 or 3500 hp Rogal is just about the funniest thing ive read in a few months in here. Obviously its hard to speculate on how the other changes would work out but given that hp increase alongside your suggestion of increasing alpha damage and pen it has a good chance to be problematic. DPM and view range could be meaningful trade offs, camo isnt going to contribute at all though considering they already have next to none.

The only thing I can hard agree with in here is that the surfaces that are intended to be armored could be made a little thicker on a couple of the superheavies. For example I wouldn't be against slightly increasing the thickness of the turret faces on superheavies with prominent cupolas, mantlet, or turret ring weakspots

fast cape
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True about the rogal I just included it cause I know its kinda. Super heavy is think its gun honesty probably needs a nerf but...

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They won't even buff the nemesis another war hammer tank so highly unlikely it will get changed

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I think there amor should be better front amor but have more hp but still have weak spots they dont deserve to be untenable on the front but still should be tanky

karmic meadow
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i just think the maus needs a buff

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and prob type 5 atp the derp is horrid

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average of 500 damage with a 20 sec reload if you even manage to hit the person lol

humble fable
fast cape
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Yeah but in the end the e100 just getting a better gun compared ti the 14cm

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Most definitely after they buffed the e100s amor again and nerfed the maus on a random plate for a unknown reason.

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14cm should get a Much better reload at least they haven't dont any great changes for it

karmic meadow
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why use a 14cm on a tank with armor that cant work against most players?

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it removes the entire strength of the type

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if you give people more time to aim at you with prem you get eaten alive

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if the type had better front armor and worse he i could see the point

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as a trade off

humble fable
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not saying thats its particularly good or bad either way but that there seems to be some intent to make it so the 15cm isnt the only usable option for the type 5

karmic meadow
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i get that

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i do just think its kinda bad either gun

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the 14cm just isnt my cup of tea

obsidian locust
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While i definitely think that if superheavies got a rework the Rogal would need one as well, the one it gets should be HEAVILY watered down. Like 3200 HP tops

karmic meadow
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yes

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or just let it rot

obsidian locust
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That too

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But superheavies as a class need love

karmic meadow
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ye

humble fable
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except for the rogal

obsidian locust
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Anyways

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Nothing is gonna change IvaraWait

restive vessel
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10% HP buff and selective armor changes (turrets and a bit of side armor) are all that’s really needed for superheavies. I’d say a bit more view range would also be nice, reward forward positioning

obsidian locust
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Give them a class wide passive as well

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Built in reinforced tracks

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No that would not be broken/OP

it would take 2 shots to immobilise them instead of 1 and they would still be permatrackable

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Even with every repair buff stacked together

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No audio because i hd Spotify open at the time

fast cape
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Yeah I just included the rogal so at least every super heavy was at least noticed as one

karmic meadow
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🔥

fast cape
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If they where to use the idea it start for different tiers to be classified as a super heavy, like probably tier 8 for the maus tier 8 for the e100, tier 6 for the type 5 and probably tiers 9 for the 705 and is4 if there considered a super heavy and for the panzer Vlll line probably tier 8 as well

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All im trying to say is there should be no reason why metta heavys like e5 and cheftin and fV215B deserve to have crazy guns but also still have very good amor in some cases better amor over all then super heavys

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Cause it kinda defeats the purpose of them even being in the game.

upper flame
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I think the problem for super heavies are TDs that are too good. They can’t play their role properly because TDs are not properly confined to their role. Many tier X TDs are too flexible. They are supposed to play a support role. Not a do it all and dominate the battlefield role

fast cape
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Well evenw with the recent 120 buff where they all do 440 now tanks like the is4 and maus dont seem as scary for there damage even the the is4 is a 130 but does 440 and the maus only doing 50 more damage then them

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So even if tds where nerfed tanks like the e5 and t95e6 and fv215b just get to farm free damage cause they cant bounce them a majority of the time.

upper flame
obsidian locust
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Minor problem there. That doesn’t work if teamplay isn’t rewarded properly.

fast cape
fast cape
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I only say this now cause this make it even more painful then ever to play a super heavy.

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Most definitely after they thought a plate on the maus needs a nerf even thought tier 9 and 8 other gold can pen the turret

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So tanks like the IS 4 now are useless when the FV215B so the same thing with better gun stats

upper flame
fast cape
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I already said above that there amor is buff by a good amount but they keep the same weak spots

karmic meadow
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They should be more armored when a heavy can insta pen 90% of the time and dpm them with way more dpm that hp doesn’t do squat

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More hp or armor

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They are just punching bags

fast cape
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This just would make it so brainless British gold spam and American gold spam, cant instantly pen them anymore it makes sense for a tank destroyer to pen them a bit easier

upper flame
fast cape
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105 are annoying but is mainly the 120 not even the 105

upper flame
fast cape
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There not gonna change it thats why id want a change for super heavys

empty ermine
empty ermine
# karmic meadow average of 500 damage with a 20 sec reload if you even manage to hit the person ...

The type 5 derp is incredible, what do you mean?

Use shell switcher we have 4 equipment slots now

Fire HE at anything you think you can’t pen or is lightly armored

Its heat rounds are disgustingly good. 700 alpha with 330 heat? You butcher everything including tier x heavies..

shoot HE at anything you are afraid you can’t pen, or if you need to shoot quick without thinking. Shoot HEAT for consistent damage against things you know you can slap with it.

The type 5! Derp gun is one of the most fun things to play at tier x, no I’m not lying

I miss it dearly cuz I have to regrind and am almost at the O Ho

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I’ve hit super conq an chieftan turrets when they were hull down for 600+

Type 5 derp is amazing

fast cape
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If your bad cant fight it its littlerly a skill issue

karmic meadow
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If you think doing 500 average every 20 secs is good then you need to get your head checked

fast cape
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It is very easy to out dpm and pen with gold

karmic meadow
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1500 dpm with he most of the time

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And good luck actually penning the heat with the accuracy and aim time

fast cape
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If you play a ... td or like a Decent heavy its just bad the E100 and rogal are better.

karmic meadow
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Plus what’s the point in doing 120 more damage than their alpha when they can shoot you twice before you can even reload

fast cape
empty ermine
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You can still track them and do damage simultaneously

Are you forgetting you have 330 heat for 700 alpha? That butters an e100 or Rogal dorn wtf r u talking about brah?

Are you low wn8?

karmic meadow
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330 heat that doesn’t hit anything

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Look at my winrate buddy

fast cape
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Then lets 1v1 and see how well you can do lol

empty ermine
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Roflamo

fast cape
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My tank choice vs the type 5

empty ermine
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I said wn8, not win rate

empty ermine
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And considering how big the gun is, it’s really not derpy

fast cape
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Then prove it lol

karmic meadow
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Yes it is

fast cape
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Ill make a team training

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Join the team training its called type let me prove it bad

empty ermine
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It’s hilarious to me a super uni on wotstars is arguing the type 5 is bad

karmic meadow
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You own nothing but tier 10 prems lol

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You can’t be talking

empty ermine
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I had to start a new account one year ago

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Try again

fast cape
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Then join to prove it is good

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Best of 3

empty ermine
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I had every tier x minus artillery a few lights and like 2 British mediums

karmic meadow
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Yea ok buddy

empty ermine
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I’m not playing a custom game brah have fun with that

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Lmao, you’re mad now

karmic meadow
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Argue something you have no idea about

empty ermine
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I told you why I don’t have tier xs on this acccount

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And now you’re mad

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Roflamo you can’t make this up

fast cape
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The type was nerfed a while ago with its 20 second reload stats wise it litterly is just bad

empty ermine
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Kushassassin2o6 is my old account

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Look it up

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Laughable

fast cape
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If you cant fight its littlerly a skill issue

empty ermine
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Severe import a complete mark

fast cape
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Load gold and it cant do much

empty ermine
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Moon monkey where’s your wot stars?

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Type 5 has 330 heat pen..are you special?

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330 heat is ridiculous

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Why do I have to repeat myself like this?

fast cape
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E100 has 330 as well lol but better reload

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Its turret is more effective

empty ermine
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It has 334…

fast cape
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Oh has a little more then I thought

empty ermine
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I never said anything about the e100, I’m talking about the type 5

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U can throw all the tanks out there u want

fast cape
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Im trying to say its not the worse but its not very great

empty ermine
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But the type 5 is not as bad as you think

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It’s HP also make it good for aggressive play

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If you sidescrape and angle it’ll still bounce gold

humble fable
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It's great for new players. Can't say I recommend it for unis outside some memes

fast cape
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Its not horrible but compared to the E100 and rogal its not that worth going down

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The line is mediocre

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The type 4 is better tier for tier

empty ermine
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Type 5 is easily one of my fav tier xs in the game to play and considering the power creep, that is saying something

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You have a round for every situation

fast cape
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Gets a little less amor and the same gun

empty ermine
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I am not saying it’s the best. But it’s definitely one of my faves to play

fast cape
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HE spam and the heat is super inconsistent

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At least give it a standard AP round

empty ermine
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Heat spam is not in consistent, you just need to learn to not aim at tracks bruh

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When you have 330 heat you butcher everything even at tier x

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I don’t understand how this is so hard to understand

fast cape
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44 accuracy is not that good

humble fable
empty ermine
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Where’s that other idiot? Why isn’t he here talking trash

fast cape
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44 accuracy is less accuracy the then the sturm tiger

empty ermine
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I rarely miss ever in a type 5 because I’m not a moron and I brawl in it at close range

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Use it as a peek a boom

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Or sidescrape

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You’d be surprised how much it bounces when sidescraping

fast cape
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Its slow you can rapidly gain ground

humble fable
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I think it's probably best to tackle each superheavy on an individual level tho. What's good for the Type 5 shouldn't be the same as what's good for a Pz7, IS4, or Rogal

fast cape
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If a td wants to shot gold you cant do much

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empty ermine
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I’ve shot heat in a jaegeroo at a type 5 middle bar and penned only one shot before

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Out of 4-5 shots

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Rng saves it sometimes, you’d be surprised

fast cape
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I was saying before to change the type so its HE was not as annoying but give it like a ap round

empty ermine
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Listen Moon monkey, if you don’t like the type 5, I could give a fk less. I’m just arguing that it has a derp guh that can damage anything in the game even hull down, and a 700 alpha heat round with lol worthy penetration.

It’s a very dangerous gun if you know how to use it

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If you don’t wanna use it, then don’t

fast cape
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Every time I fight it ill admit if its with a team it can be very good but if your team leaves you behind the slow speed will get you picked off by the enemy team

karmic meadow
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With a 20 second reload bozo

fast cape
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I dony hate it im say it needs a buff

empty ermine
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Who cares? You’re always damaging the enemy or hitting them with 700 heat

karmic meadow
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The e100 has like a 18 or 17 with the same damage on its heat and has a standard round

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Dude

empty ermine
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You’re trading with the 3rd highest HP of any tank in the game

fast cape
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I like the line I think its cool its just not worth going down

karmic meadow
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Heat is not reliable are you dense?

empty ermine
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You clearly can’t aim

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I never have issues with heat unless rng dictates a bounce

karmic meadow
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Rng exists

fast cape
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44 accuracy is not aiming its just rng if your round wants to hit

empty ermine
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Bruh

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It’s like arguing with a brick wall

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U don’t miss heat shots when you’re brawling

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It’s called fully aiming

fast cape
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People if the have a brain can just move away

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And out range you

empty ermine
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I’ve never had issues with the type 5 gun

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It doesn’t matter…like I said, the type 5 isn’t as derpy as it seems on paper. On medium range, I don’t care. I still have no issues shooting heat or he

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And I don’t use equipment for gun handling

fast cape
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Tds farm super heavys now as well

empty ermine
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Jesus h Christ

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have fun with all that

fast cape
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Most definitely like fast dpm tds

karmic meadow
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This is really dumb

fast cape
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Tds bully them fairly easily

humble fable
empty ermine
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Of course tds farm anything. It’s always funny when people use the argument “well…durrr!! TDS can farm it!!!”

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You can’t make this sh up bruh

fast cape
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Im not trying to argue im just trying to say Tds are not uncommon

empty ermine
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I mean..you keep trying to get me to join a custom game

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But it’s ok man

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lol

fast cape
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At first yea ill admit it but now no

empty ermine
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I like the type 5, and like I said, it’s highly underrated when it comes to the gun

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If you don’t wanna use it, then don’t

fast cape
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Its guns not bad I just think the line needs love its not horrible but its not great

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Its annoying the keep buffing already good tanks and leaving a tanks like super heavys besides e100 buff in the dust

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The 14cm is almost useless now

empty ermine
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It’s a gun that can damage literally any tank even hull down in the game if you use he. If not, you have a 700 alpha gold round

It has very high HP…3rd or 4th highest in the game

The armor is cheesable by gold but not everybody is shooting gold, at least at first

It’s very enjoyable

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But don’t use it if you don’t want to I could care less Roflamo

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What’s your gt?

fast cape
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Dude im not trying to be rude im just explaining that they needs some change

empty ermine
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I hope to meet you in game when I get the type 5

fast cape
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Games are to fast for them to keep up

empty ermine
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My name on here is my gt

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So I hope to see you on the enemy team when I get the type 5 but it’ll be a while

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🙂

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I’m only on the o ho

fast cape
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They nerfed it last year is all im saying its annoying

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I do like the o ho ngl

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I working on the 3rd star

empty ermine
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O ho and o ni are bad but top tier they’re fun

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I have to regrind them which is annoying

fast cape
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O ho is fun ill admit but I only like the derp

empty ermine
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Don’t tell severe import that, he’ll lose his mind cuz it’s so hard for him to believe I had to start over

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😱

karmic meadow
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I’m right here

empty ermine
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🤣

fast cape
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All im saying is at least rework then so they at least get some game change idk when the last change was for any super heavy

karmic meadow
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The type 5 was my first line

empty ermine
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Well I gave you my old name

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U can check how many battles I have

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Unfortunately, my wn8 will suck on it cuz I haven’t played for a year

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But if you check, you will see I had every tier x in the game except artillery and a few lights and British mediums and amx 30…

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so…yeah

fast cape
empty ermine
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Again

Kushassassin2o6 is my old gt. Feel free to look it up

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Wotstars

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I’m not bluffing out here

fast cape
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Besides nerfs like the random maus nerf on the bottom and top

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Which just made its only so arty would do more damage

restive vessel
fast cape
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Still its random

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It littlerly was only changed so arty could bully it even more

empty ermine
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I’m just giving import crap cuz he saw my current account and called me trash cuz I didn’t have tier xs. It’s not his fault he didn’t kno I had started over 😭

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I can thank Microsoft for screwing me

karmic meadow
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I didn’t call you trash I said you didn’t know what you were talking abt

empty ermine
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Well…same thing

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But now you know

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I have the Minotauro on this account but it’s only my tier x

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I’m almost at the is4 but don’t have much silver

fast cape
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Can you at least agree they should be like reworked some may need more buffs then others but at least something

empty ermine
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Bruh I was only arguing that the type 5 has a very good gun and I’ll die on that hill

fast cape
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Thats fine but can you agree with that there amor should be at least buffed by a little

empty ermine
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My first tier x is the Minotauro on this account…a tank most wouldn’t bother but it’s another underrated gem with godlike armor

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Another tank I absolutely love

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I purposefully chose it but it’s because they had an on track too 🤣

fast cape
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Its amor is good but arty is rat and bullys it

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Cause arty definitely is not one of the reason I hate playsuper heavys

empty ermine
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Artillery players are far too predictable

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I dodge it like the matrix

Not in slow tanks like the mino tho

fast cape
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My first match of the tier 8 amarican arty with the max gun and I instantly penned a vk 100p

empty ermine
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But it’s very easy to dodge if you take cover by cover and move a lot m, arty players are dumb as a rock

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Moon monkey, if you add me on Xbox I will 1 v 1 you when I get the type 5 just to make you happy but it’s gonna be a while

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I’m not really aggressively pursuing the grind right now I’ve got too many other tanks to play

fast cape
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Im not even angry anymore I see your point I just dont like they nerfed super heavys and havent seen any buffs at all recently

empty ermine
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I also never claimed I would win, but when you’re getting slapped from 700 heat shells every shot, you will be crying for your mom lol

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I’m joking about the crying

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I can assure you, I pull my weight

fast cape
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Most definitely with the annoy 120 buff British and American lines farm the super heavys cause they sling gold

empty ermine
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Wot is my most played game currently

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1v2s and 1v3s don’t scare me, but I can’t stop getting yolod

fast cape
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Also to be fair you maybe just a really good player it doesn't mean its not a bad tank

empty ermine
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I used to be the worst player imagineable but I did my research and it paid off

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I learned soft stats of every tank in the game so I know what I’m going up against

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I am most certainly not the best player

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But I hold my own

fast cape
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Cause a lot of the time most type 5 players are dumb your just a good player so its less noticeable to see its bad

empty ermine
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Yes, but it doesn’t change the fact it’s a good platform

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Most players don’t look at things like penetration

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Wot is an easy game to play but hard to master

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Even after I had 2 or 3 tier x tanks I was still a bad player. Better than when I started, but still awful compared to now

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I have 34999 battles exactly on both of my accounts I just counted

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35000 battles playing this damn game lol

fast cape
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Type ill say is a high skill cap tank if your not good with it is very much poo but if good its a power house

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Cause there are many games where they get like not even past 2k damage

empty ermine
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And funnily enough compared to a lot of people that’s not a lot of battles

restive vessel
empty ermine
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I’ve been playing for prolly 8-9 years which really isn’t that long

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But I took the time to learn things that mattered

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Even my friend who showed me the game quit yearssss ago cuz of bad matchmaking

fast cape
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Im just a stick up the but and hate heat cause rng randomly hitting spaced armour

empty ermine
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Again, sidescrape and angle in the type 5. I’ve shot at it with the jaegeroo and 268 5 right in the middle bar weak spot and I’ve bounced multiple times in a row shooting heat

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The type 5 can and WILL bounce if you angle

fast cape
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Its side scrapping is good I just hate exposing the ammo rack

empty ermine
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Most players don’t angle they just face head on and shoot things. Always angle

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It’s still a super heavy

restive vessel
empty ermine
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Yup, that’s what I’m saying

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It’s HE rounds mean you’re literally guaranteed damage

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Even against hull down tier x tanks

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Turn that into a track shot for damage plus assist damage

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It’s a tank that can damage anything it’s facing, and that’s scary in its own right

fast cape
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But you need to know how the HE works other wise you wont get great damage

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Hitting near tracks and roofs of tanks

empty ermine
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It doesn’t matter. Only the front of a 279 e or maus will give the HE trouble

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Maybe a 263

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HE is HE. You don’t need to know armor values to shoot it

restive vessel
restive vessel
fast cape
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And also just having the chance to set maus on fire

empty ermine
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I’m saying if you shoot the upper hull or anywhere on the front of the 279 e

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Or the upper hull of a maus it can be trouble

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Or the turret

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Those are the only tanks that I haven’t done much damage with HE in my recollection

fast cape
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E3 and e5 can be annoying

empty ermine
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E3 you just track so someone can get around it

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Just don’t shoot the mantlet

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Also, you can shoot under tanks to splash down below

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It’s amazing when you can track enemy tanks but also do damage

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But regardless I love the type 5 and now I wanna grind it but I don’t like the o ni lol

fast cape
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Oni is kinda poo

empty ermine
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O ni and o ho are bad except top tier

fast cape
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175 for the front is kinda bad at top tier

empty ermine
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The type 5 has the derp and the type 4 is still good tier for tier, gets slapped but it’s not bad

But the o ni and o ho are bad.

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That’s why I’m not bothering grinding it but I’m less than 100k away from the o ho prolly like 50k

fast cape
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They also refused to fix the gun weak spots on them is one reason I get annoyed with them

empty ermine
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Yeah

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Alright buddy take care im out

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Maybe I’ll see you on the battlefield. You know my gt, I don’t know yours. So should be interesting

fast cape
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K see you when I probably get bullied in game by u

empty ermine
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Well you have the advantage of knowing my gt

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So we will see, if you see me in game send a message after the game

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Peace

fast cape
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Peace

high nova
gusty veldt
empty ermine
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I guess I’m the only person who can do well in the type 5 then

gusty veldt
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i never said it’s bad, they are just copy paste from each other.

restive vessel
gusty veldt
restive vessel
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All of those are basically hp, gun stats, maybe thicker armor

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Half might’ve been generous but the point stands

gusty veldt
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tbf, those are really close too, but type 5 still takes it, it’s literally same tank with hp boost, 1sec faster reload and 10-20mm extra frontal armor and thats it.

restive vessel
restive vessel
gusty veldt