Nerf the GAU-8

[grave orchid]

It’s a disaster for Era 2. The fact that this tank can even appear in this game is ridiculous. Its WW2 counterpart, the T249 has already been nerfed, so why not the GAU-8 get rebalanced as well? I get that it will not do much to heavies, but the fact that it can empty the health pool of a light tank or a poorly armored medium in 3 seconds is a joke.

Before you disagree, try playing the Leopard 1 in Era 2 with 3 GAUs on the other side, you’ll soon see what I mean.

Not to mention that I do own the GAU-8, took it out in a game today and I did 8200 damage with barely any efforts.

[storm oak]

SPAAGs add nothing to this game.

[grave orchid]

They did add something, more chaos in era 2.

[hardy zephyr]

The leopard in Era 2 is rough to play because of any atgm, the mk1, xm800t, vads, gau, monsteryager, basically any tank these days with a gimmick. Nerfing the gau will not make the leapard experience better. Ill deal with a gau as lomg as it keeps those other tanks play rate in check.

[grave orchid]

The GAU-8 itself has a serious issue.

[high gyro]

I say nah.

Reason?

Its funny to see that blatant lack of care for TT vehicles.

Why play any sort of leopard when I can rock up in a gau-8 and invalidate your entire presense on the battlefield by making you look like a range target

Least damaged tank after Gau-8 encounter

[round nebula]

gau is not op, others are just dumb.
if you have poor armor, simply avoid it, it’s slow tank so any light armored can escape from it.

problem with T249 was it’s fast, it can outrun almost any light armored tank on ww2.

[verbal current]

I agree. I recently been grinding the bmp 2 and 70% of my games im killed by that tank. The guy will just yolo me and throw his life away just to kill me. Its so annoying

[high gyro]

True. But also untrue.

The problem with avoiding it is that you'll have to fight it eventually

And the other effects it has.

If one tank can effectively ward off any light armored tanks. Thats several tanks that can't be on the front lines where they may be needed

I'd say they can play support, like second line or sniping. But the gau is also oddly accurate. So that may not always work

[grave orchid]

Easier said than done. Speaking from a GAU-8 player perspective, it’s really hard to “just avoid it”.

And the fact that you have to “avoid” a tank proves that there’s something wrong with it, since you don’t have to avoid normal tanks on purpose.

[grave orchid]

Absolutely. I would be totally fine if they remove this tank from the game completely. I admit it was fun but I would rather sacrifice some fun for game balance.

[round nebula]

i mean you have to avoid every single other autocannon tank too, autocannons/gatling guns are simply counter for every light armored tank, so you have to play either stronger tanks or play more passive.

[grave orchid]

Not really. I don’t have to avoid the BMP-2. The GAU-8 has 52989 DPM, which is 10x more than the average DPM of other autocannons

The BMP-2 only has 3000+ DPM

[round nebula]

bmp-2 has the worst autocannon rn. see amx 30b2 for example, it has autocannon and 105mm gun top of it, and it’s not the problem?

also it’s faster and has stronger armor than gau.

[grave orchid]

The 30b2 is nothing compared to the GAU. In fact not a single tank in era 2 can empty your health pool in less than 3 seconds other then the GAU

[round nebula]

it’s just gau does nothing to heavies, i once saw gau on my bzt-70, it was the easiest kill that i ever had.

2 shots and already gone.

[grave orchid]

Doesn’t make it balanced. I am a GAU player myself, I have emptied a full health T-72AV and a FV4211 in the same match.

[round nebula]

i mean it’s possible to kill heavy, but way harder. most of heavies have enough armor to bounce it even from sides. it’s not any bigger problem than those autocannon lights, wiesel mk1 is size of single atom and can clip anyone for 2.5k in couple seconds with decently high pen for autocannon.

[grave orchid]

I never said the Wiesel isn’t a problem. This post is about the gau. Wiesel is another topic.

[round nebula]

just saying there is bigger problems to worry about. imo gau is not even problem, it’s slow, 0 armor and speed.

[grave orchid]

Ok.

[verbal current]

Thats why its not balanced and shouldn't be in the game

Give it REAL pen and REAL dpm

Like a regular tank

Its just like the t249

Can't be balanced as is

Unless you completely rework

[high gyro]

Honestly true. It does have to worry. Its not like its perfect. The tank is all gun

Speed is average and armor is garbage.

I own the thing. It has its highlights and its utterly horrible failing

The tank is the definition of "Inconsistent Combat Class"

It can be game defining or it can be garbage.

Shrimple as that 🦐

[grave orchid]

What I found about your argument is that you don’t think twice before saying stuff.

You first said that “you have to avoid every autocannon”, then you realized that the BMP-2s autocannon is trash so you don’t have to avoid it

You then said that “it does nothing to heavies”, but later you said “it can kill heavies”.

Now I’m not trying to be mean to you so hope you don’t see it like that. Just a suggestion and a reminder.

[high gyro]

...it can kill heavies. With an inequal exchange in effort. The Gau-8 has to put in much more work to kill a heavy than the heavy has to put into killing it.

[grave orchid]

And then with the armor and speed is 0, with right setups it can go over/nearly 60kph, which is not really considered 0 speed. And it has armor on the turret.

[round nebula]

it’s balanced, but there is things called ”strength” and ”weakness”, and weakness on it is heavily armored tanks, but strength is just opposite of it, poorly armored tanks. there is plenty of tanks with similar strenths/weaknesses.

[high gyro]

Gau-8 usually has to

Track the heavy
Flank it
Shoot it in the rear
keep it tracked.

All the while managing its guns heat mechanic.

[verbal current]

But when a strength is too high that it deletes a player in 2-3 seconds thats toxic

I understand strengths but sometimes they are wayyy over tuned

Like this tank

[grave orchid]

And then the heavy is probably dead.

[verbal current]

Its just like the t249

But era 2

Still known as the most toxic tank in ww2 even after it was nerfed

[high gyro]

...only if the heavy doesn't use any of its options.

That option usually only works if the heavy is isolated and alone. So if the heavy actually sticks with a team mate that tactic falls apart for the Gau-8. Not to mention that the Gau is likely going to sacrifice at least 800-1000 HP doing so if you at least keep targeting it while its flanking.

A number of variables can throw the flank into a disaster for the Gau-8.

As I said before. Its an inconsistent tank. It can either be a beast or the worst vehicle you've driven.

Depends on RNG and your skill.

[round nebula]

i can agree T249 was bad, but gau is not, T249 actually is fast and has strong camo, it deletes tanks while hiding, also it’s ww2 and not cw, it’s normal in cw to have these tanks that demolish anything in seconds, unlike ww2.

[idle moon]

M48 Avenger

-- Gun
-- Alpha: 15/30 -> 12/25
-- Ricochet Angle: 90° -> 70°
-- Shots Until Overheat: 245 -> 360

[idle moon]

This is coming from a player who has 3 marked it btw.

[high gyro]

The Gau moves like and has less armor than your average medium.

[idle moon]

I know, but broken is still broken.

[high gyro]

Look I usually don't like WG touching stuff

Because when they do stuff they over-compensate.

Or just don't do the right thing at all.

[idle moon]

Or, just shoot at the lower side or rear of the side armor. Since it has a 90° ricochet angle, it can pen shots that literally no other gun can.

There is exactly 4 heavies that the Gau-8 cannot deal with frontally.

[river island]

I have the gau 3 marked, and there are way more than 3 heavies it cant deal with. Any m60,t72,t80,conquerer series and some up armored leopards cant be penned frontally at all when actually facing towards you, your example above is the side of a t72 a, which is the easiest of all t72 series for the gau 8 to pen, as the lack of spaced armor on the side.

[idle moon]

Every T-72/80/64 has the exact same weakspots

[river island]

Not to mention if you get a bad map and enemies are 100+m away, you just cant engage due to pen loss for quite a few tanks

[river island]

Some have spaced armor near the front road wheel, which can help not full pen with the gau

[idle moon]

I forgot about the conquerors, so 5.

[river island]

But you say 5 tanks like there isnt 60 variants of the tanks

And there some of the more played tanks in the era

This doesnt include premiums like the 4211, which can only be penned in the cupola and lower side, which is difficult in some situations if the 4211 player has any common sense

The 1224

Any Russian medium

T 62 series have 80mm of side armor

Which bounce like crazy the low pen of the gau at any angle

Any independent era 2 can bounce frontally and side on

And Chinese era 2 tech tree medium that resembles a t62 can bounce aswell

As the side has to be completely flat to pen

[idle moon]

Notice how I said "heavies"

Only 6* heavies that the Gau-8 cannot pen frontally.

[river island]

Notic how your trying to make it not sound as bad by saying "5 heavies" like they arent 60+ variants

[idle moon]

There isnt.

[river island]

There are plenty?

[idle moon]

2 conquerors, 2 T-10s, 1 BZT, 1 M103.

[river island]

You said frontally lol

Yoy cant pen a t72 frontally with a gau

You need the road wheel

Which requires side

[idle moon]

Slightest angle

[river island]

Still no

[idle moon]

If they angle at all, it becomes a pen. Thats why Im counting them.

[river island]

Im qualified to talk about this tanks dude, it's one of my most played cold war tank

[idle moon]

So am I

I've 3 marked it as well

[river island]

It cant pen a 70 degree angle of a t72 side

[idle moon]

It literally can

Its 90°

[river island]

Chip damage doesnt count at all

Youll never get full pens at 70 degrees ever

[idle moon]

Im not counting chip lol

[river island]

Not even in your clip is he angled well

The t72 is giving you the perfect angle

Massive cherry pick

You cant say "t72 can be penned frontally" then tell me... well if the tanks giving me its side

[idle moon]

I mean, you are the one cherry picking.

[river island]

If a tank is looking at you

It wont pen

Thats not cherry picking

Thats me saying the guy in the t72 has half a brain, and goes... hmm maybe my frontal armor will bounce the gau

How's that cherry picking

The t80 can walk of a gau 8 frontally, the moment you get the side the tank evaporates, but any half okay player will see a gau, play a corner and only expose frontally,

You have the gau 3 marked aswell, you should definitely understand that the times a half decent player plays well, you just cant get the pen off without pushing to his side or waiting for him to pull a corner and give him your side

Or hope hes alone, track him, he repairs, then track him again

Which requires him to not have teammates to aid

[idle moon]

Just did a test, and with the T-72AV, T-80B, and T-64A, they cannot be angled at ALL to not be able to be penned frontally.

Even the slightest angle will allow the Gau-8 to pen the sides.

Its the same thing with any tank that has the "NATO" hump.

[storm oak]

Sadly I remember playing Era 2 with no Auto/Rotary cannons. Happy days.

[hardy zephyr]

The MK1 and Begal was the downfall of Era 2.

[idle moon]

If onyl WG didnt decide that every autocannon needs above 100mm of pen.

[grave orchid]

Yeah. Autocannon in this game is way stronger than they need to be.

[vale ravine]

Well, you can drive any leopard. But id say you have issues actually playing one if you cant handle a gau. Hull down, you bounce gau all day. Weisels and elcs are still scary, gau is not.

[vale ravine]

So, a couple of lights were stupid. They out spot it, they can chase or run away. Iv done 11k with mine, (but ive done 13k with a leopard). Its not nice to be caught out by, but its slow, has no gun depression, has no turret armour, and cant pen anything that isnt a light/given freely

[vale ravine]

Weisels Learn to avoid my leopard. Yes its scary, its CW, everything is scary. If you were in a T92 you would avoid a BZ. If you were in a 113 you avoid everything with space/Era.

[vale ravine]

if he lived it, it was a push, not a yolo, you dont get 8k wilth a yolo. If you sat their long enough to get got - by this snail (IN A BMP) skill issue. Wake the frak up, get off your scope

Stop siloetting your self. Fire your missles backwards, drive forwards into cover

[vale ravine]

Well if i (comfortably) block Gau with leopard 70mm front. Im pretty sure everything else can easier.

[gaunt granite]

It is kind of humerous that they talk about "quality of life" and then have tanks that completely do not fit the MM. Another example is why would they introduce the dual battery with a 4000+ dmp into era 1? They really have zero concerns about quality of life it is all semantics.

[gaunt granite]

This is why I stopped playing era 2.

[grave orchid]

Show me a video proof of that.

[grave orchid]

I will stop playing not only era 2 but the game itself if it keeps going on like this. I think War Thunder will do a better job.

[vale ravine]

Find any crater, use your gd over the corner (LIKE EVERY OTHER PANZER)

E50, E75, same angle

"The angle"

[grave orchid]

I’m talking about the Leopard 1. It has barely any armor.

I really want to see how you comfortably block the GAU with your leopard front armor.

@vale ravine I have an idea. Let’s do a custom game, I play the GAU-8, you play the Leopard 1. Let’s see how well you block the shots.

[hardy zephyr]

Any leopard is getting shredded by any auto gun. Don't lie. It can't block anything.

Used to be my fav medium btw. So im not biased

[vale ravine]

THE only chain gun im scared of frontally is the 57mm Bowfors, gitgud

[grave orchid]

Ok, let’s put it into practice then

[hardy zephyr]

Scared of fine, your still getting penned.

Mk1, vads, gau, xm800, mauder, bmp, amx, I can continue. All tanks when I'm in, leos are food.

There's a reason you don't see them anymore. More so see one with good dmg.

I'll 1 v 1 your leo with any of those tanks. See how well that goes for ya.

[grave orchid]

Don’t have to be those tanks. Even the BMP-2 will do the job.

[hardy zephyr]

I did list the bmp, heck I would even use the bmp 1

[grave orchid]

Sry didn’t see it. Yeah the point is leopards are not capable of blocking shots.

[vale ravine]

Il give you weisel cause its nasty. VADS maybe, depending on how high ive been caught cause he heats slowly. I laugh at bmp and 30 on a flat with my hull out. Btw, "over angle front", side scrape, both ways, all 3 work.

[hardy zephyr]

Prove it.

[vale ravine]

i block between 1k and 3k a match. Most most is 6k. You lie

[grave orchid]

Prove it.

[hardy zephyr]

Get in a custom game with a friend. Record the leo blocking those tanks

If not I will.

[grave orchid]

I am online right now. You can do a custom game with me.

[vale ravine]

EVERY, frakking tank except a borsig

[hardy zephyr]

Prove it.

[grave orchid]

I will record the footage

[hardy zephyr]

The issue is he needs to prove his magic technique. Anything we do he'll say we didn't do it correctly.

[grave orchid]

Yeah which is really odd.

[hardy zephyr]

Again I love the leos. I marked every single one just grinding the line. Didn't even try and get the marks.

Yet, I won't play them anymore.

[grave orchid]

@vale ravine just out of curiosity, how many marks do u have on the leopards?

[vale ravine]

2 on 2

[grave orchid]

Ok

Are you available right now?

[vale ravine]

nay, i dont play euro. They play something there but its not tanks.

[hardy zephyr]

I only play NA

[grave orchid]

I play on NA as well.

[vale ravine]

Right, both of you, you can scrape all AP off a leopard in all those places, even 120s and 105s, all the mediums will

[hardy zephyr]

Wait wait wait wait, your saying a 120 can be anything more then a dmg sponge!

Your a troll 100% have to be trolling

[grave orchid]

Ok let’s prove it then. All you can do is say stuff but won’t put it into action.

[vale ravine]

gg on both of you for that. But i play my evening, so in 12 hours. Servers are horrid before or later than 2am

[high gyro]

Its supastalka

Hes the only one I've seen actually back up his absurd claims so.

I trust that.

Besides the other one earlier

[grave orchid]

Yeah I discovered the same thing.

[vale ravine]

no, to start with, its basic math and angles. And game mechcanics

[grave orchid]

“Basic maths” be aware what you’re saying

[high gyro]

I mean I'm pretty sure angling is basically math. No? My angle + your shell = bounce + My happiness

[grave orchid]

Just a question, do you even know basic maths?

[hardy zephyr]

Angling is fine but I'm pretty sure any angle a gau can find a place to penn without shooting the most angled parts.

[vale ravine]

You will get the bouce from a leopard vs higher caliber guns. On a very hard reverse/traverse. You will skim the shot right off your upper plate. If you cant see why, i under stand why you struggle vs a gau

[hardy zephyr]

I want proof thats not hard to do.

[grave orchid]

Same here.

[hardy zephyr]

I have never not even once struggled to kill a leo.

[vale ravine]

hes got to find the shot, + cook time. If you cant pull out of that hail, that is on you

[hardy zephyr]

I dont believe you can.

Thats the issue.

[vale ravine]

(with best in class reverse / traverse)

[grave orchid]

The people who only speaks in words and never put things into action are the ones I hate the most.

[high gyro]

Maybe actually give him time to get the proof-

He literally said he isn't avaliable.

Vulture.

[hardy zephyr]

I just need a leo to try on wish, wot would let you spawn one in.

[vale ravine]

we its 8am, ive not slept yet

[vale ravine]

take one vs bots. Chain guns 1st

[hardy zephyr]

What?

[vale ravine]

bare in mind bots are better. But they are still caught out by leo reverse speed 100m+

[grave orchid]

You sound like someone who knows the game a lot.

[vale ravine]

leave it "hanging out" in coop vs bots

btw, dont try it vs heat

[grave orchid]

Yeah I don’t see a point in continuing this conversation.

[hardy zephyr]

Bot game didn't even have a leo. This will be a pain to prove with no friends on. Lol

[vale ravine]

look, iv seen your above posts. The leopard is by far the harder the mediums to make the armour work. Every other medium, should just be able to put 45° on hull and laugh. I do this WITH the gau (my turret only 50mm) but the hull is a patton, so quite solid.

[vale ravine]

Er there is 2 of you, work it out between your selves.

[grave orchid]

That’s very funny

[hardy zephyr]

I 100% proved the poor 120 is impossible not to penn lol.

[vale ravine]

1 of you will get 2 bouces in a row, be like arhhhh it work. Bare in mind, its wont work every time, ive told you which guns i dont like. But vs a chain gun, expect to block 50%.

even a frostbite tier 5 does it

[grave orchid]

Yeah I’m not spending anymore time on this

[vale ravine]

as do all panthers, panzers,

[hardy zephyr]

Ww2 and CW are very very different.

[vale ravine]

no, they not

[hardy zephyr]

Yes yes they are.

[vale ravine]

tank move, tank shoot

[hardy zephyr]

Cw armor is almost non existent. With a few exceptions.

[vale ravine]

not when it comes to scrape angles

[vale ravine]

if you had the mantra "always be side scraping"

[hardy zephyr]

Your not gona scrape angle because any intelligent player will move thier shots.

[vale ravine]

had you learnt all the different directions of scrape.

[hardy zephyr]

Even in heavies side scraping is mostly useless. I also kill 4211s with ease with a gau so how is a leo surviving.

[vale ravine]

i reverse scrape that leo

[hardy zephyr]

In CW

[grave orchid]

That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while.

Reverse scraping the Leo is like giving free hp to the enemy team

[vale ravine]

by being faster than gau by silly amount. The gau isnt fast, but it has great turret traverse (best in class). And has supreme low speed mobility. It circles things, (tight)

[hardy zephyr]

Is it just the gua you think you can avoid death with. Vads has a longer clip to prove how easy a leo is to penn?

[vale ravine]

at 500m? That is getting gun depression off opposite hills and also keeping flat

[hardy zephyr]

That makes no sense, the speed means nothing unless the gau is just auto locking. Also running away and the gau missing is not blocking shots.

[vale ravine]

Run from vads, it wont stop, it will yolo if you bouce him

gau will cook

[hardy zephyr]

So your not saying you can block a gau like earlier. Your saying you can run away and mabey survive.

[vale ravine]

Errrrr, yes it is

[hardy zephyr]

Miss and block are not the same. Come on guy.

The only reason this is a disagreement is you said a leo can block dmg. Not out run a gau.

[vale ravine]

no, im saying fully depress over front corner at 45° on a nice hill, and the ONLY threat the gau poses is tracking you.

[hardy zephyr]

This is what you said about blocking a gau.

[vale ravine]

he might get 1 or 2 in, bit of bleed. Il slap back for 440 and take a 20-440 trade all day

carful if he aims long and is carring tags

[grave orchid]

Ah yes, you block it with 70mm front

[vale ravine]

they know to shoot cheek on hull

[vale ravine]

its already 45°, now help it get a bit more

[hardy zephyr]

Again hes just being a troll. Even bots don't want to play leos anymore lol.

[vale ravine]

EVERY tank in both modes, does this to extent. Borsig wont. Waffle pz 4 will

[grave orchid]

Yeah, that’s why I found this conversation is a waste of time.

[vale ravine]

tier 5 pazer armour, it might block a few unaimed shots, it WONT if you dont try

[hardy zephyr]

The fact you keep naming ww2 tanks when we are talking about CW proves the troll.

[vale ravine]

You both just proved you have no idea how to angle armour

gau only got 70-90 ish pen.

[grave orchid]

As if you do. I doubt that you’re a better player than me, despite me having only played for 2 years

[hardy zephyr]

No no proof, I angle plenty fine in ww2, even CW with the right tank. The issue is your wrong or trolling about the leo blocking a gau or most rounds in CW specifically.

[vale ravine]

gau, vads, grilles, vigilantes all bounce off that 70mm if you get angle on it.

no proof needed

[round nebula]

only leo 1 that i can see bouncing autocannons frontally is the vt-2, i think it has doubled upperplate armor and composite turret.

[hardy zephyr]

Only if the enemy is shooting at your most angle part. Any intelligent player wont do that.

[grave orchid]

@vale ravine feel free to check the direct message.

[hardy zephyr]

Even a 4211 can be melted by a gau from the front.

[hardy zephyr]

Thats possible. Dont see many around to test on.

[vale ravine]

not sure, i didnt have the leo 2 long. I can tell you the same is true for over angled lower plate on A4

[grave orchid]

The VT-2 is very different from the Leo 2.

[vale ravine]

Yep

[hardy zephyr]

Wait what leo 2 are you talking about?

[vale ravine]

yep, leo 2 shoots straight, and isnt staring a 900 pen mollots

[hardy zephyr]

The only leo 2s are heavies not mediums.

[grave orchid]

Based off this conversation and the image I sent you, I would assume you don’t know too much about the game.

[vale ravine]

Anybody can farm 3k wn8, idiots play. Technically the sensible leopard play. I dont play sensible,

[grave orchid]

You don’t play sensible, therefore proves my point.

[vale ravine]

yet i still play leopard,

[vale ravine]

if you think you better than me, block 2k with one.

[grave orchid]

Dude, it’s not my word

You literally said it

[vale ravine]

And iv got a sheriden battle on my twitch that shows he just might know a little

[grave orchid]

I have 4 marked the Sheridan.

[vale ravine]

GG

so what

[hardy zephyr]

Nice, jealous of that.

[vale ravine]

doesnt mean you know how to use armour

[crystal beacon]

...He isn't

[grave orchid]

Maybe I don’t. I admit that.

[vale ravine]

define "better"

[grave orchid]

I want to hear your definition 1st.

[crystal beacon]

Ain't you the same dude that wanted to beat up a noob 2v1...?

[vale ravine]

those numbes dont mean anything. Look harder, deeper, side by side, check block damage with a leopard perhaps

[grave orchid]

Huh what😂

[crystal beacon]

And I should know that for 2 reasons lol

[vale ravine]

no i was going to let a noob shoot me,

[crystal beacon]

No you wasn't

Cuz why else would you have a 2v1; you and your friend vs the noob

[grave orchid]

Just did.

Check your DM.

Things were…quite unexpected, huh

[vale ravine]

Learn to read Through the stats.

[crystal beacon]

I wouldn't bother my dude

[vale ravine]

My accuracy over all has plemeted, does that mean im a worse shot than i was?

[crystal beacon]

Yes? The stats are what give players a rough idea as to what's decent

[hardy zephyr]

All your leos have a less then 30% survival

That basically calls your bluff

[vale ravine]

No, my tier 10 leo was 85% pen, pre 6.0. When i was green, so im pulling more, i WAS trigger shy

[vale ravine]

dude if im still alive at end, i wasnt trying hard enough

[grave orchid]

So basically,

Normal players care about damage, kill, win rate, survival rate etc…

You care about the damage you can block in your leopard 1.

[hardy zephyr]

The leo 2 has a 12% survival rate.

[vale ravine]

its normally 24% survival btw,

[hardy zephyr]

If the leos block so much you wouldn't die so often.

[vale ravine]

stuff leo 1

[grave orchid]

Not considered high.

Alright I’m officially done, great time chatting with you all.

See you later

[vale ravine]

but im higher in my leo, so clearly know my hardware

[vale ravine]

ground that on boosters vs mollots. Dont care, didnt keep

its likely only about 40 battles

[vale ravine]

no, i cause pain and suffering to teams where they dont want it.

[grave orchid]

You caused pain and suffering to me as well.

Laughing too hard can be painful and suffering.

[vale ravine]

If that means i get yoloed and have to get my armour on, learn how to make armour work. As a super uni holding the back line, i thought you would respect the guy, totally not stat focused spotting stuff 4u. And anybody can 4 mark a frakking tank 8am GMT on NA

[crystal beacon]

......Can they?

[vale ravine]

might as well play on euro

[hardy zephyr]

If anyone can why can't you?

[vale ravine]

not any body, but id have already done 3 marks were i to play off peak.

[crystal beacon]

Of course you would say that

[vale ravine]

I wont play off peak.

[grave orchid]

You call me “stat focused” but you’re the first one who said I don’t know how the game works.

Respect is earned with great attitude and manners. Just so you know.

[crystal beacon]

What's this gotta do with nerfing the Gau again, sorry...?

[hardy zephyr]

Then dont say something you cant prove.

[vale ravine]

You nerf the gau by pointing tank 45° . Trying to explain

[grave orchid]

I 4 marked my Sheridan in August, 2024, 4PM GMT on the EU server.

[crystal beacon]

Ahh, trying this stunt again

[vale ravine]

soooooo, off peak then, or weekend warriors.

[grave orchid]

I find no point in continuing this conversation.

[hardy zephyr]

Dont talk him down when you cant put your money were your mouth is.

[crystal beacon]

Screw the armour angling bud, cuz I'm here to see exactly what nerfs are ideal for the Gau

[hardy zephyr]

Get a 4 mark then you can act like you know more.

[vale ravine]

Peak NA is 8pm - 2am, alway has been. Fun, but normally bad for marking. 6am - 10am euro mad for marks, 2am - 6am, cheating

i only cheat my self by cheating

[crystal beacon]

Marking a tank is not easy, but this is not the thread for this lol

[vale ravine]

is it?

can be near 92%, especially with higher end hardware

[crystal beacon]

Thats nice, what's that gotta do with nerfing the Gau?

[vale ravine]

last i got 3 on was my t20 the other month

[grave orchid]

Your ignorance, arrogance, naivety, and the lack of knowledge is on another level.

I think everyone who witnessed this conversation would agree.

[vale ravine]

point 45°, nerf it your self

[crystal beacon]

Again, enough with this stunt

I'm here to read actual nerfs, not made up stories

Wanna nerf the Gau? Give it a lower clip, lower rate of fire etc

[vale ravine]

no, you have ignored many better player than me already. Your a super uni that doesnt like to use his armour. The gau has no pen, the moment you go 45°, gau nerfed.

[grave orchid]

1. What you said absolutely makes no sense, at least in English.

2. I’m not a super uni, don’t make false assumptions.

[vale ravine]

if that slow, jet black 50 ton tank creeps up on you, that is your fault.

[hardy zephyr]

Lower rate of fire would be best. Make it more like a vads.

[crystal beacon]

Lower rate of fire would still make it decent but not a shredding machine, and wouldn't affect the damage or penetration either

[hardy zephyr]

Your wrong. Even 8f you go 45 there is a spot the gau can full penn on.

[vale ravine]

then how did you 4 mark without your overall stats following?. I want upto 3500 3 marking my achilles?

[hardy zephyr]

I agree, it would still be a threat for the overtuned lights but not be so overtuned its annoying.

[grave orchid]

Stats don’t mean reality. It says super Unicum on paper, but I don’t see my self as one. I still have a lot to improve.

[crystal beacon]

Not even a bad nerf either, doesn't have to be slow firing like the ADATs or anything

[vale ravine]

on a leo, yes, it will hurt. But in every other tank a little firmer. That gau has really bad pen. Some tanks need 90° flat on sides, some need exhaust only. Bagels are 3/4 of a heat bar, brad/warrior might need 2 bursts. And dont waste the heat at 45° on most things

[hardy zephyr]

Well to be fair it should never be that slow. However for a game reason, slower rate and mabey a slight penn decrease would be good.

[hardy zephyr]

Your incorrect and interrupting and actual conversation about the post. Stop already.

[crystal beacon]

If the ADATs had a small rate of fire increase I'd use it more; in the same manner, the same change to the Gau might just be what's needed

Either that or a smaller clip

[vale ravine]

While i think bleed is silly, the gau - unlike the Vigilant came with caviats

[hardy zephyr]

No clip size would not help with how fast it can kill. Plus the ADATs really needs a speed buff.

[crystal beacon]

Maybe a little

But then i suppose this is more about the Gau 🥲

[vale ravine]

that can never have its pen nerfed.

[crystal beacon]

I mean it can if its becoming problematic

[hardy zephyr]

They can easily make it similar to the vads.

They will one day when its no longer profitable.

They do it to most tanks.

[vale ravine]

Dam people, just go get the 54D with snowballs. See how scary the gau is then

[crystal beacon]

Not my problem

The OP was asking about a nerf, I'm just here offering suggestions

[hardy zephyr]

Super enough is enough. Either add to the convo or stop.

[crystal beacon]

Tag a mod if you have to.

Anyways... Ya'll need to remind me about the Gau as all I can remember of it is the guns lagging my stream O.O

[vale ravine]

bagel, weisel, elc, scare me. Are a problem. Gau is a problem, if one you in light, or you let it be prob

[hardy zephyr]

Tanks like the 120 need tanks like the gau to be nerfed a bit. I killed one im 5 secs. Poor thing.

[hardy zephyr]

Again I can kill 4211s with a gau with decent ease. You dont know what your talking about. Your experience is limited.

[vale ravine]

No, not until you guy turn your track 45°. Theres your nerf

[crystal beacon]

You tried this with me and it backfired bud

Angling will not help

[hardy zephyr]

Stop with the same thing over and over again. You made your point. Enough. Move on.

[grave orchid]

I will delete this post if this goes out of control.

[vale ravine]

i think that one needs a gun shield and camo. Its been too rough since weisel

[crystal beacon]

I came here for the fireworks till I saw the threads actual thing; dunno if you saw my comment but I suggested a change to the rate of fire

[grave orchid]

I saw it, and I agree.

[crystal beacon]

Not a massive one mind you

[hardy zephyr]

I think most players would agree

5 sec kills are just too much for this game.

Same issue with the 249 in ww2.

[crystal beacon]

If it is problematic, then a change to the penetration would also be needed

[vale ravine]

nah, 249 is just broken.

[hardy zephyr]

The only reason I say a small nerf to penn is because I can kill a 4211 almost as easily as a medium.

[vale ravine]

i have both

[grave orchid]

I created this post asking if the GAU-8 can be nerfed.

Some people agree, some people disagree, which is fine.

But there’s also some people, who decides to come in here and talk about things that have nothing to do with this post.

And also some people who decides to add a clown emoji to it.

[crystal beacon]

A tank like the Gau should not be killing things in 5 seconds

So clearly it needs a nerf of sorts

[vale ravine]

maybe just buff the holes on 4211 to be 120mm, only effects gau then?

[hardy zephyr]

Clown emojis are Ironic because normally the one using it is the clown.

[hardy zephyr]

Its not just the 4211 thats just an extreme. I dont think it should be so easy to kill leos, amxs, many mediums as easy as lights.

[crystal beacon]

Next time I'm on Era 2 I'll have to see what the deal is with the Gau and then figure out what's needed

[hardy zephyr]

Thats why a small penn nerf would help make those classes easier to play again.

Similar nerf needs to be for all auto guns. More so the one that can kill in 5 secs.

[hardy zephyr]

For the gau the big thing is knowing where to shoot.

[grave orchid]

This is my first and last time ever asking for tank nerfs, at least in here.

[hardy zephyr]

The vads which I like more feels way more balanced so I would want the gau a bit more similar to the vads.

[crystal beacon]

Tbf, you were dealing with this dude; most people would offer legitimate advice

[vale ravine]

i count in heat bars. This is wrong thing to say. It is hyperbole at best.

[hardy zephyr]

What?

[crystal beacon]

Actually, could you not remove certain equipment off the Gau?

[hardy zephyr]

Hmmm not really most equipment barely changes the gau

[crystal beacon]

Ahh

[hardy zephyr]

I can use it with nothing and do the same level of dmg.

[crystal beacon]

Does it not have Gun Stabilisers or something?

[hardy zephyr]

Equipment is mainly for mobility.

[crystal beacon]

Oh and @grave orchid I've popped ya a message, hope it helps!

[hardy zephyr]

Im not sure without looking.

[vale ravine]

there is a guy above, just 3 marked his gau, said exactly the same. You pull up on somebody in gau, it better be flimsy. I dont care if you can kill 4211 with it, try the same with a bz. M60a2 (dont try this one)

[hardy zephyr]

The complaint was for mediums not heavies. Plz read

[high gyro]

I thought the M60A2 was the only one to get demolished by the Gau frontal because of its turret mounted tumor.

[vale ravine]

m60 will take your 200 and raise you 1000

[crystal beacon]

Except this was about mediums, not heavies

[hardy zephyr]

If he hits.

Also any tank can get hit by an M60A2 this has nothing to do with if the gau needs a nerf.

Even a begal and an mk1 have to be careful yet they can easily kill an A2 just as easily with 0 dmg.

A2s need team support.

[vale ravine]

yeah, but its not centred, easily moved "maus style". And he will just derp your turret. Bouce half of what he sends. He come back every 9 seconds and you dead in 18.

[hardy zephyr]

You must play against inexperienced players and act like thats everyone. If a gau lets himself waste ammo on an A2 turret and get killed they are a bad Gau player.

Many gaus drive in pairs. Too thats a big issue aswell. More so with a 3 stack. Good luck angling against 3.

[vale ravine]

Yes, but most dont have 50mm turrets, those that are shark bait to m60a2 are normally far away, the gau wont be, aggro spot with gau + missle warning, 1 light is going to take offence - at least

[hardy zephyr]

If a gau lets himself get killed by an A2 hes a bad gau player.

[vale ravine]

a gau shouldnt run pairs, its a waste

[crystal beacon]

But they do

Because its efficient

[vale ravine]

or good m60 player.

[hardy zephyr]

So very wrong. Your in experience is showing. A 3 stack gau platoon can with the game by themselves.

[vale ravine]

Yeag because the PB will hide. They wont aggro with turrets to cook them, they try raming it and all sorts.

[crystal beacon]

I don't doubt that as a possibility, given its Era 2

[hardy zephyr]

No good gau player is going to try and ram thats ridiculous.

[vale ravine]

and THEN they wont jump it together, far more worried about 1xgau and 2x anything else.

[hardy zephyr]

Oh you need to see it happen. I had one day I kept going against the platoon. They won every single time I saw them. Neither of them died.

[vale ravine]

what? Its a 50ton tank? Not much it cant ram.

[hardy zephyr]

We even had a few were we had the majority and still lost.

[crystal beacon]

I've seen a tank on the receiving end of the Gau; lagged my game and stream very briefly

Hence why I suggested the rate of fire nerf

[hardy zephyr]

Imagine 3 of them fireing at the same time.

[vale ravine]

i thought they fixed that?

[hardy zephyr]

Nope gau was not altered

[vale ravine]

imagine 2 BZs and a gau to kill lights for them.

[crystal beacon]

I haven't gone up against a Gau recently so I have no idea if it does still lag the game (when you're watching a tank get shredded by em at close range)

[vale ravine]

they do server side

[hardy zephyr]

Supa enough, you can 3 platoon many ways. That doesn't mean 3 gaus cant be just as destructive more so in light heavy meta like era 2 now.

[vale ravine]

nope, server side changes, its why your damage readout get delayed sometimes

[vale ravine]

oh sry, i disagreed with you again. I forgot its not allowed

[crystal beacon]

How... Does that work?

[vale ravine]

which ends in about a week with 54D

[hardy zephyr]

No you disagreed with me. I said just because you can platoon any other way doesn't invalidate others. Your the one with the issue. Don't act like a victim

[vale ravine]

they group the maths

[hardy zephyr]

The 54D is not ending the light tank meta. Thats insane.

[crystal beacon]

This wasn't even me getting shredded?

The stream lagged the moment the Gau was firing

[hardy zephyr]

What do you play on?

[crystal beacon]

PS4 atm

[vale ravine]

trip anything isnt as strong as 1 heavy 1 gau 1 light. 3 waffles, better off 2 waffles and a light.

[hardy zephyr]

That could be the reason why. The older consoles have issues no one else does.

If it does happen again mabey make a trouble ticket. You may get some help.

[hardy zephyr]

Wrong.

3 stacks of lots of tanks can be overpowering. Its all about whos playing.

[crystal beacon]

Still a lovely workhorse (the PS4) but I digress.

I do not wish to be up against three 4005s, let alone 3 Gaus; especially if they're experienced

[hardy zephyr]

I honestly feel bad for older consoles. Many want them removed from the game. Hope for you that doesn't happen.

[vale ravine]

No, but its not a light and the MM is soon to be full of them. The spuds will like that one, every 54D taken, is a light not taken. And this make it not friendly for the gau

[crystal beacon]

I appreciate the concern, thank you - I'm sure Vesperine would say the same

[hardy zephyr]

Why do you think the 54D is special. Its already been out for a year. Barley used. Why is now different!?!

[crystal beacon]

I dunno, if the Gau is still a decent workhorse then they'd still use it

Usually they use stuff like that cuz its busted

[vale ravine]

and 2 with a 2x force multiplier = 4

+1

[hardy zephyr]

The gau can kill a 54D too. Just need smart positioning. Honestly the 54D is below average. Not sure why he likes it so much.

[vale ravine]

because its on sale for snowballs

[hardy zephyr]

Right that doesn't mean its replacing the light tank meta.

Most will use it mabey 10 times and never touch it again. Just like last year.

[vale ravine]

i have leopards, lights, and my chally

wth do i want a 54d?

[crystal beacon]

...You were just praising it two minutes ago

[vale ravine]

the spuds will tho

[hardy zephyr]

This guy is all over the place honestly. I think hes a kid and doesn't understand whats hes doing.

[vale ravine]

for a spud, great tank. I like 9°GD

[crystal beacon]

You were also praising the 54D

I think?

[vale ravine]

Dude, ive likely been a gamer longer, oh trust. Dont test it

[hardy zephyr]

This conversation is making me lose brain cells. Thanks for the good convo Apostle I'm out lol.

[round nebula]

500 messages already.

[crystal beacon]

I also need a coffee... Way too early in the morning for this heresy

[crystal beacon]

...Don't ask.

[round nebula]

it’s not even been 24hrs.

actually it is.

by couple minutes.

[vale ravine]

Yeah, i do praise its ability to fend of chains/rotors. But spuds love bousing shots they never should. I personally wouldnt drive it if you paid me. Besides i want tuesdays tank.

[crystal beacon]

Wouldn't know, I don't have a Spud or 45D nor do I plan to

Got enough tanks to be grinding with atm; on this note, the coffee calls o7

[vale ravine]

277? Others? Ive got an enigma, i dont even drive that

moldmaster

[crystal beacon]

Don't have those either

Or that

[vale ravine]

23rd snowballs

[crystal beacon]

(I meant I don't have em, for the record)

Saving my snowballs for the Dual Battery

[vale ravine]

yeah, but on 23rd they up for snowballs

[crystal beacon]

I wouldn't have enough anyways; now if the Gau was available for snowballs that would be funny.

[vale ravine]

You will get enough for 1 more if you play. Beside i think we getting snowballs for chrismas. We already had 💩tier3

[vale ravine]

That would ruin a bagels day

[crystal beacon]

I'll see, as I'll admit apart from the toy tanks and the Dual Battery I've had no interest.

Anyways gonna go, and hopefully Vesperine has his question sorted to boot.

[zealous nymph]

The GAU-8 was WG's way of "solving" a problem (light tank spam) instead of actually addressing the issue by nerfing problematic vehicles.
This of course backfired horribly and we now have a tank that can frontally kill an FV4211 in a couple seconds.

If I'm being 100% honest

The GAU-8 should never have been added at all

Same with the M163 VADS

[hardy zephyr]

I disagree with the vads. Its far better in alot of ways for balance and light tank removal.

[zealous nymph]

It's still not a balanced vehicle

It punishes you for playing unarmored vehicles while being completely useless against armored targets

[hardy zephyr]

Thats the balance an honestly I dont feel bad about the unarmored issue. Players keep begging for good armor to be nerfed. They deserve what they get with that.

[zealous nymph]

Ok, firstly, who is begging for armor to be nerfed? I constantly see people begging for armor to be buffed (directly or indirectly) in response to things like autocannons, ATGMs, or the comically high no-skill shells with an absurd amount of pen.

Secondly, it's not balanced to have a tank that can kill you in under five seconds with no counterplay besides getting lucky. You're actively throwing by picking something like the M113, T92, or Sheridan, and it's finally not just because these tanks suck. The second there's a rotary gun with line of sight on you, that's just it. 50+ shells a second are now flying at you. You're dead or severely injured before you know it.

And that second point doesn't even mention how useless it is against other targets. Even if you try to outskill your opponent, there's nothing you can do against some tanks. You're just a meat health shield for allies and a source of free damage for enemies.

There's no balance there. It's toxic and unhealthy for the game.

[idle moon]

Thats the thing, it isnt useless vs most things.

The only tanks I struggled to deal with when I was playing it was the BZT, T-55s and T-62s. Everything else was super easy to deal with

One thing that could go a long way for balancing out the Gau-8, is lowering the pen, changing the 90° ricochet to 70°, and lowering the alpha to 12, while balancing its overheat to compensate.

The M163 isnt really toxic as a tank, because most other autocannons out DPS it.

[zealous nymph]

I'm specifically talking about the VADS

[zealous nymph]

I already gave my thoughts on the GAU

[idle moon]

Im fine with it being in the game, WG just needs to do a better job at trying to balance its TTK.

[zealous nymph]

Which they likely won't, given that they took years to tweak the AAT-60.

That's a seperate discussion tho

[hardy zephyr]

The IS 4m would like to enter the convo. Nerfed twice.

[zealous nymph]

The IS-4 was nerfed because it was blatantly overpowered

And even after repeated nerfs it's still very tanky

[hardy zephyr]

Yeah that's what people say with any tank with good armor.

[zealous nymph]

People don't say it about the Leopard 2A5 though

Or M1A2

[hardy zephyr]

Honestly OP is used why to lightly in this discord and community.

[zealous nymph]

Or Maus

Or E100

Or IS-7

[hardy zephyr]

Actually I do hear people say the M1A2 is op

[zealous nymph]

That's due to the ridiculous DPM

And accuracy

[hardy zephyr]

Also this is about CW. Ww2 armor means something.

[zealous nymph]

I

Yknow what

Good bait

[hardy zephyr]

Not bait all facts.

[zealous nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-bait-fishing-thats-bait-time-to-go-fishing-dark-souls-gif-12687109592345272249

[hardy zephyr]

I dont bait. All honest thoughts

CW has too high of penn and to low of armor. That is my honest take.

Its why people see it as arcadey.

[zealous nymph]

"No armor in CW"
●M103A1
●IS-4M
●Thrungva
●FV4211
●Chieftain Concept Test Rig
●Winter Warrior
●T-72AV
●BZT-70
●M1A2 Abrams
●Leopard 2A5
●Leopard KWS 3
●Object 477A Molot
●Object 490 Belka
●Type 90
●STRV 122A

[hardy zephyr]

All of those are easily countered with either auto guns, atgms, or HE. The 4211 can be kill so easily these days. You added Some good armor tanks, I can double or triple that with bad armor tanks.

Not including lights.

Also you ignored the too high penn that negates alot of armor.

[idle moon]

Saying a tank doesnt have good armor because HE splash is a horrible argument

[hardy zephyr]

That is a bigger issue.

[zealous nymph]

Maus has bad armor cause I can HE it

[hardy zephyr]

Did I say just HE no.

[idle moon]

Molot/belka dont have armor because HE

[hardy zephyr]

I had many reasons why armor is bad in CW. Again Penn being the biggest yall just want to pick and choose.

This community sometimes geeze.

Ww2 does armor and Penn better.

[zealous nymph]

"Pen"
M1A2 turret is immune to about everything in most scenarios except the Russian 152
M1A2 ufp is an autoricochet to everything but shaped charges, HE, and 140/152 AP

[hardy zephyr]

Correct I said you mentioned some good armor tanks.

[zealous nymph]

STRV 122A turret is impenetrable
STRV 122A hull is immune to most stock AP shells, with it being trolly even to top tier prammo

[hardy zephyr]

Both of those I agree. More of the pick and choose.

[idle moon]

The only tanks I disagree with on this list is the AV, Thrungva, and Type 90

[zealous nymph]

Molot is frontally immune to AP and shaped charges outside of a singular strip that's vulnerable to the very strongest munitions only when unangled

[hardy zephyr]

Don't read then waste time acting like I said the A2 has bad armor.

[zealous nymph]

The AV is hit or miss, but the turrets on the latter two are very effective

[idle moon]

And the front corner of the hull with 152mm.

[zealous nymph]

Leopard 2A5 turret is also impenetrable while the frontal hull is very effective against most shells especially when angled

[zealous nymph]

That's only if you catch it at the right angle though. That's an issue if it's too close or facing you head on

[zealous nymph]

The KWS shares the same attributes as the 2A5

[idle moon]

Nope. Been pened while facehugging a belka there.

[hardy zephyr]

Some tanks have good armor. The majority don't. Alot of what you guys listed are premiums too.

Another issue with CW balance

[zealous nymph]

The FV4211 may as well be Mjolnir. It's an immovable object that can casually shrug off hits to the side even when at a near 90° angle.

[idle moon]

Regardless. The IS-4 deserved the nerf.

Gun was too good for its armor

[hardy zephyr]

I agree to disagree. It got the nerf so devs agreed.

[idle moon]

The Abrams is also too good now. Only took like 4 buffs and a mechanic change.

[idle moon]

When all it needed was the mechanic change

[hardy zephyr]

Honestly more tanks need penn nerfs and or armor buffs. Then CW would be more skill based.

[idle moon]

Back to the Gau-8.
Lower its alpha
Lower pen
Lower ricochet angle
Increase time before overheat.

[hardy zephyr]

I like your suggestion isn't just a nerf.

What does ricochet angle mean? Like game wise.

[zealous nymph]

M103A1, IS-4M, T-72AV, M1A2 Abrams, Leopard 2A5, and Type 90 are the only TT tanks I listed, making up 40% of the list of examples.
However
A significant portion of the premiums were also featured in season passes of events and generally were easy to get, those being: Thrungva; FV4211; BZT-70; Object 490 Belka; and STRV 122A. These make up ~33% of the list.
The remaining three tanks, the Chieftain CTR, Leopard KWS 3, and Object 477A, were the only ones that were locked to the store or chests. 20% of the list are tanks the average joe won't have.

[idle moon]

^

[idle moon]

The angle of impact the armor had to be for the shell to auto-ricochet/shatter.

[hardy zephyr]

Correct, 33% vs 40% is alot. Now do that percentage of bad armor guarantee its higher.

[zealous nymph]

It is a nerf. It's moving it more in line with the VADS and turning it into a sustained DPS tank rather than a quick burst damage dealer than kills tanks faster than they can even react.

[idle moon]

Nope. M163 also has that dumb 90° ricochet/shatter rule

[hardy zephyr]

Hey smart guy, not just a nerf means with the lower stat you buff the time till over heat. Plz read.

[idle moon]

It just fires APDS so it shatters instead of being able to ricochet into a pen.

[zealous nymph]

Comparing that not only isn't fair due to the fact that stuff like light tanks and ATGM carriers by design don't have armor, but it's also just silly because some tanks just intentionally have less armor.

[hardy zephyr]

In the previous message I excluded light tanks. Yet you dont like to read so not surprising you didnt read that part earlier.

[zealous nymph]

Improving the time before an overheat while reducing alpha just makes it so it does the same damage per potential burst while increasing the duration of a burst to allow for counterplay.

[hardy zephyr]

Correct many would just suggest a straight nerf. So its awesome they made a full sensible suggestion.

Not sure what your issue with that is.

Trying to be to smart looking silly.

[zealous nymph]

Your previous message before was a response to a proposed GAU-8 stat change.
Your previous message to me was an insult, ironically calling me a "smart guy."
Your previous message to me in that chain of armor discussion was telling me to compare my percentages to tanks with bad armor.

I don't know what previous message you're referring to

[hardy zephyr]

Smart guy was more about your attitude.

[hardy zephyr]

Here it is btw.

Before you started posting about armored tanks I never disagreed with.

[zealous nymph]

In fact the last time you even talked about light tanks was over 24 minutes ago when you said you'd double or triple the number of poorly armored tanks with well armored tanks.
Previous is a very vague word to use.

[hardy zephyr]

Previous means before the current moment in time.

Not vague at all.

[zealous nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sunny-omori-troll-bait-gif-2495794332107299812

[hardy zephyr]

Ah, caught being wrong so Im a troll.

Interesting, all because I dont fully agree with you.

Guess you can't disagree in this discord. Many of you start acting out.

@zealous nymph what even is bait to you?

A simple disagreement and correction is not bait.

Calling it bait is just a way to try an manipulate the conversation.

[zealous nymph]

Bait is when obvious alt accounts refuse to make valid points and make obviously vague statements to keep themselves in the right

Now if you'll excuse me

I have more MBTs to ammorack with the unfair ATGMs and autocannons

[hardy zephyr]

You get to decide if a point is valid. Your just proving your full of yourself.

All you did was ignore half the points I made. What a joke and I'm the troll. Ironic.

Cw armor being an issue and even ww2 dumbed down armor has been a talking point for years. The gau is a perfect tank to abuse that fact. Many people agree with the Pen issue and armor being simple and sometimes non existent. You dont get to decide thats a non issue. Sorry not sorry.

[vale ravine]

hey? If you only showing the front, fair nuff, over angle lower plate, keep ERA out, but a shallow side srape shows a slither of side plate, never do that with any era3 leopard. And the only leopard the cap isnt a hit me sign its the 1a3. (its still there)

[vale ravine]

no, most things arnt armoured overly. But we were all given 4211, bz and about to be 54d

[vale ravine]

and yet, if you angle right. That amount of armour will work. Armour slows you down.

[raven coral]

Era 2 was better before all the atgms, auto cannons and rotary cannons. Now it is a 💩 show.

[vale ravine]

now, we talking about what is actually OP. The average player sees this gau as some specter. A boogie man. Id say, redudce the crit on all ACs, they did back in 4.0, 75mm L100, lukes and leopard all got nerfed.

[vale ravine]

nope era 2 was always rough. And atgms were there from begining.

and i think they shatter because the server wouldnt like it.

[high gyro]

Did you just say an M103 has armor?

That feels freakishly wrong.

Also I'd say a lot of the tanks in game are over-armored.

Type 90s should basically be paper. In game they have pretty sturdy armor that can even block the abrams premium.

I sorta wish they worked the type 90s differently but thats something else entirely

[vale ravine]

in era 1 its fine enough, and the nasty gun means its a threat. 70mm sides too.

maybe 60

[high gyro]

I've personally never had an issue with the thing.

My brain personally logs it as "paper"

[vale ravine]

it can be, but a good 50% of shots in CW are barely aimed.

[high gyro]

Oh. Right. Not everyone actually aims

How does that even happen? In a game where the core mechanic is aiming for a weak spot?

[vale ravine]

still, the 1st time i shot one was with a bulldog, my gunner put it right through his lower plate (300 heat)

[grave orchid]

I posted a new thread on today’s update. https://discord.com/channels/630895439520202783/1453007227278590006

[vale ravine]

well the entire turret is a weakspot

so why aim?

[high gyro]

I guess. But still. I find it surprising how wide the skill gaps in this game are

[vale ravine]

it really depends what gun you using and how much GD the 103 is using

[high gyro]

Feels like theres "Skilless -> average -> Great -> God"

[vale ravine]

no, i dont mind skilless. There is a lvl below that. Harmful to team or dead weight

as long as they off spawn and trying,

[high gyro]

I forgot about that rank.

[vale ravine]

you could easy do your HP in most gunned tanks, RBRT, but you got to be up side, just make it easy for gunner.

[high gyro]

I personally don't like just doing my own HP in damage

My standard in CW is a least 10 shots of dmg.

Which is around 4-5 for most tanks.

[vale ravine]

nor do i, but that is the bar isnt it?

[high gyro]

I suppose. I guess thats the mark for "you pulled your weight"

[vale ravine]

yep, assist from lights counts to in my book

[high gyro]

True. I don't like lights much

At a certain point they just started feeling like weaker medium tanks.

Even with their perk of scouting. Tanks like the AMX 13 105 just fell short compared to my Batchat 25T

[vale ravine]

Nay, lights are mean in CW. Unless you went chinese

[high gyro]

I think i went all the routes that aren't good anymore.

Went american lights

Had fun with the M113.

[grave orchid]

T92?

[high gyro]

Stingrays kinda blow tho

Went russian lights. Those aren't great either. BMP-1 is goated and you can't change my mind.

[grave orchid]

Please don’t tell me to use the armor on the T92

[high gyro]

Only thing I have left is either Chinese or German TD/light.

[vale ravine]

Sheriden is last good one. Nothing wrong with sting ray, unless era 3

[high gyro]

Its era 3-

I'm going to say something controversial.

I think the Sheridan is over-rated.

I loved the M60A2 but I just didn't like that thing.

[vale ravine]

nahhh, its really amazing.

[high gyro]

Struggled through the grind the whole time

Maybe I was just unlucky? But every time I tried to use it something would go wrong.

[grave orchid]

The Sheridan is a very good tank. Stands no chance against the GAU-8 though

[vale ravine]

Learn to joust with the gun, get ammo swap to change to gun, only fire HE

[high gyro]

There was good games don't get me wrong

But like. Didn't feel great for me

[vale ravine]

if gau is close enough, sheriden is played wrong, its a TD missle tank,

[grave orchid]

I know, I’ve played 300 games in it

My performance was definitely better before the Gau and Wiesel things were added

[vale ravine]

im pretty free to play and been CW since start. Iv got 2k with it

[vale ravine]

The weisel causes sheriden hassle

sheriden is gutless getting going.

but for the same reasons gau is needed to clean map of lights, they are far nastier than the gau.

[grave orchid]

The wiesel is alright to be fair

I don’t find it to be much of a problem than the gau, vads or xm800t

[vale ravine]

its really not, i slam the PB for not knowing how to kill one, but 180 pen AC is just pandering to spuds.

Vads is wimpy gun and slow

[grave orchid]

It’s not given out for free, so I think it’s more balanced than the xm800t stuff when you have 4 of these on each team

It definitely isn’t balanced but I would rather fight Wiesel than the gau

[vale ravine]

boot and weisel are about same threat lvl

[vale ravine]

as i say above, you can troll a gau all day, it has bad pen

[grave orchid]

I troll people with the gau all day

Also yesterday I killed a Leopard 1 in 3 seconds shooting at its front 70mm plate

So it definitely won’t block shots from the gau

[vale ravine]

its all about rock paper scissors. If you were playing a BZT, a gau isnt a threat

[vale ravine]

yes you will. Angled or bum in ground

both together, he aint getting you.

[grave orchid]

Still, just because it can’t kill a few tanks doesn’t mean it’s balanced

[grave orchid]

If I was the GAU player, I would charge straight at him if he angle his armor

[vale ravine]

i think it rebalances lights. And i main leopard, so less missle shooters, all the better for me

[grave orchid]

All the better for you, doesn’t mean it’s better for the game.

I could say nerf all tanks except the Wiesel so I could have fun in it. All the better for me.

But it’s a selfish behavior.

[vale ravine]

dud iv poked rock on one and rammed his tracks off, not the lightest tank to be ramming, but i was back in before he spun up.

[grave orchid]

You’d probably be dead before you could even ram a skilled gau player

If you don’t believe it we could test it

[vale ravine]

my leo is almost fast enough to circle him. Cant mess with his turret traverse tho.

[grave orchid]

Again, we could test it

I’ll see how fast you are

[vale ravine]

Gau is a theif, 1v1, gau loses.

[grave orchid]

A Wiesel Mk tried to circle me the other day and he was dead in 5 seconds

[grave orchid]

Ok, let’s test it then.

I’m saying this for the 7th time.

[vale ravine]

Will be, il take a hit to kill weisel.

[vale ravine]

im off to bed

[grave orchid]

Lol

Ok

Kinda funny but alright.

[vale ravine]

seriously crazy clock, its 1330 here

[grave orchid]

You sleep at 13:30?

Isn’t that the time for lunch

[vale ravine]

but im also not well and full body arthrytis keeps me awake. (not exactly)

but i do have to tiurn over 6 time a night due to pain

so im sleeping when ever. Im ex grill chef, so my clock broken anyway.

[grave orchid]

Since you’re a grill chef, what’s the difference between grilling over direct vs indirect heat?

[vale ravine]

Well "grill chef" is a microwave expert. But i am educated. One is conductive, one is radiated, or covected

so the meat cooks off the bit of meat that is buning. Or just getting warmer

so doing a steak in oven, alien to me. But give me fire, il give you medium rare.

[idle moon]

The era 1 M103

[idle moon]

It doesnt matter of a Leopard 2 angles his armor. Its still a super easy kill. When angled the engine deck is exposed, when unangled the UFP is a super easy pen.

[high gyro]

I KNOW

I personally think the thing has no armor

[idle moon]

He seriously thinks that the Leopard 1 is a good counter to the Gau-8.

[high gyro]

Never had an issue with it. Ever

[idle moon]

I never had issues with it because I know when to load premium and when not to.
Just because I don't have issues fighting something doesn't mean that it isn't strong.

A lot of things have super good armor vs the 49%ers.

[high gyro]

Strong gun wise maybe.

Personally me?

[idle moon]

Armor, also.

[high gyro]

I can't care for that things armor

You aren't going through that turret face or upper hull

[idle moon]

Its frontally immune to most era 1 standard rounds.

[high gyro]

But that fat lower plate is begging to be filled with AP

[idle moon]

That alone means that it has good armor.

[high gyro]

Everyone is saying the tank is good when I've literally never seen one make a significant impact.

Hell I'd say the IS-4 is the real menace here

Never seen a M46 have to flank to the rear just to get a good chance to pen any other Gen 1.

[idle moon]

Thats the thing, you aren't taking an objective stance. You are only looking at it from a personal perspective.

[high gyro]

Ok. Even outside my perspective. That lower plate is fair game

[idle moon]

Not to most standard round no.

Most era 1 guns dont have high standard pen

[high gyro]

Now i need to see this for myself

Because unless WG hyper buffed that thing. I've always considered the M103 and its line to be bad.

Good in gun alone.

Its 152. Even at that angle I'm pretty sure most things can easily deal with that.

We're talking about the same tank right?

The M103A1?

[idle moon]

That means the center is around 240mm, and the corners are around 170mm effective. Most era 1 guns dont go past 230mm on standard ammo.

[high gyro]

Yes they do???

[idle moon]

You are thinking of 105mm and some 100mm guns.

[high gyro]

Brother I am looking at the M46-

[idle moon]

If you take a look at the total amount of guns in era 3, most of them have very low pen.

[high gyro]

Thats a 90

Also the corners are only 170?

Where's the issue?

No like really?

[idle moon]

Thats 234, thats a 50/50 in the center plate.

Stock gun is 190mm tho

[high gyro]

Still enough to pierce through the corners

You have a fair chance to pen the m103. Winning? Oh probably not but you can at least hurt him.

[idle moon]

Doesn't really matter when you take most players into account. And most players dont actually aim for themselves

[high gyro]

Thats a collective skill issue not a tank being good

Any tank is awesome when a bunch of idiots are fighting it.

[idle moon]

That an issue of a tank being good, against a significant amount of players.

Sure its an issue of skill, but those players are making something that wouldn't be good vs good players, much better overall since there is more bad players than good.

[high gyro]

Every day I learn how much further this game has fallen.

[idle moon]

Thats the whole point. Don't look at things from a perspective from a decent to good player. We are the minority.

[high gyro]

What do you mean, a significant amount of the player base doesn't aim for themselves?

How-

Thats literally one of the basics.

[idle moon]

autoaim

[high gyro]

I can see why people are a fan of it now.

I mean a fan of removing it entirely

[idle moon]

There is a reason why the autoaim changes significantly increased tanks survival rate.

[high gyro]

Make people actually have use their brains, aim ahead, develope skills.

[idle moon]

Most players in CW and WWII only autoaim.

[idle moon]

They wont. They'll just quit.

[high gyro]

Awesome

Man this blows

I want actual competition! Not people who effectively do the wot equivalent of W+M1

[idle moon]

Never existed in CW

And I'm somone who almost exclusively plays CW.

Every era has overinflated penetration values, making armor almost irrelevant in every era.

[high gyro]

Fantastic.

Warthunder is enraging

[idle moon]

Its been that way since CW launched.
Its been my major complaint about the mode.

[high gyro]

This game is filled with a...less than adequate casual community.

I'm going to admit I'm pretty average and casual myself but like. At least I actually aim.

[zealous nymph]

Turret is very well armored when head on, and the cupola isn't usually an issue since the tank is so freakishly tall compared to other tanks

Hull is very trolly when angled or head on

Only real frontal weakspot for most tanks is the turret ring

[zealous nymph]

Armor is either non existent or effectively infinite

[vale ravine]

It has 300 heat, it never did need to move.

[vale ravine]

On its gun depression, m103s are slippy.

[vale ravine]

Well much further up this post we were talking stats and stuff. There is nothing wrong with aiming a shot, but there is also nothing wrong with letting the gunner have 1. Sometimes eagerness to get shot is more important. Making it easy for the gunner is key.

My point was, stats need to be read through, i used to have 85% accuracy. Its now 67%, that is ok, im pulling trigger more, im landing twice as many shots, but me or the gunner are missing 20% of those extra shots taken.

I WAS trigger shy.